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About the Morales at-bat

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You could argue that the Kendry Morales at-bat in the seventh inning made absolutely no difference. The Yankees trailed by one at the time, and never scored the run that would have tied it, but it was certainly the Morales home run that put this game out of reach. And manager Joe Girardi took full blame.

“I screwed up,” he said.

The first pitch was an intentional ball as ordered from the dugout. Girardi had decided to walk the red-hot Morales to let Dave Robertson face Juan Rivera with the bases loaded. “I probably should have stuck with my first instinct,” Girardi said.

After that first pitch, though, Girardi changed his mind. He thought briefly about having Robertson finish off the walk — that’s why he came a few steps out of the dugout for just a moment — but ultimately decided to let Marte pitch to Morales.

“He’s been hot,” Girardi said of the Angels switch hitter. “But most of it’s been left-handed.” That’s very true.

When Marte fell behind 3-0, Girardi said he considered holding up four fingers to go back to the intentional walk, but this time he stuck with his decision to pitch to him. Francisco Cervelli called for a fastball away — Cervelli said he would have been fine with a ball four in that situation — but Marte threw a fastball down the middle.

“This is something I have to live with,” Girardi said.

Take a listen to the Girardi postgame audio. You rarely hear Girardi this conflicted about a decision. He usually sticks to his guns. To his credit, he took full blame for what happened.

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That’s an AP shot of the Morales homer.

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251 Responses to “About the Morales at-bat”

  1. Carl April 25th, 2010 at 7:37 pm

    Its ok Joe G. We all make mistakes. Yankees will pull off a hot streak starting Monday.

  2. Wacky April 25th, 2010 at 7:37 pm

    Clueless Joe

  3. GC April 25th, 2010 at 7:37 pm

    I have a question for you Melkman. Did you register for this site just so you could relentlessly complain about Cashman’s offseason moves? Why are you here?

    Go away.

  4. Giuseppe Franco April 25th, 2010 at 7:38 pm

    That was great footage from the Yanks/Tigers game in ‘56.

    The editor(s) used the music from the Band of Brothers HBO series and, of course, The Natural.

    The Mick was something else. I’ve always been fascinated by his ridiculous talent.

  5. Jack April 25th, 2010 at 7:38 pm

    Next Friday is going to be brutal

    A pitcher without a decent fastball and struggling mechanics… facing his former team and manager who insulted him…. and undoubtedly he is going to be amped up to stick it to Ozzie. Oh, he’s going to have the fickle fans who want blood as his back drop and will boo him if he even gives up a base hit.

    Bad combination.

  6. Giuseppe Franco April 25th, 2010 at 7:39 pm

    Clueless Joe has a WS ring.

  7. Erin April 25th, 2010 at 7:39 pm

    Carl April 25th, 2010 at 7:37 pm
    Its ok Joe G. We all make mistakes

    ************************
    I second this!!

  8. Carl April 25th, 2010 at 7:40 pm

    # Giuseppe Franco April 25th, 2010 at 7:38 pm

    That was great footage from the Yanks/Tigers game in ‘56.

    The editor(s) used the music from the Band of Brothers HBO series and, of course, The Natural.

    The Mick was something else. I’ve always been fascinated by his ridiculous talent.

    2 bombs during his 56 triple crown season. Amazing. I think they won an award for that footage also.

  9. Bronx Born April 25th, 2010 at 7:40 pm

    Right on GF. Where did you see the footage you are speaking about.

  10. Betsy - Hughes rules (pleading the Fifth) April 25th, 2010 at 7:40 pm

    I was annoyed with Joe, but the admitted he made a mistake – I appreciate that. I’m not going to criticize him anymore for that because that would just be beating a dead horse and frankly what good would it do?

    The Yankees are probably dead tired and ready to come home…

  11. LGY April 25th, 2010 at 7:41 pm

    Yeah that video from last thread was very cool. Thanks for posting it Carl.

  12. Wacky April 25th, 2010 at 7:42 pm

    # Giuseppe Franco April 25th, 2010 at 7:39 pm

    Clueless Joe has a WS ring.
    ——————————————-
    Yanks won in spite of mr overmanagement

  13. CR9 April 25th, 2010 at 7:42 pm

    FIRE SATHER!!! Oops, wrong blog.

    Joe G made a mistake….So what…it happens.

    He’ll learn during the course of the season how he wants to operate the bullpen, and we’ll be WS champs again.

  14. XJ April 25th, 2010 at 7:42 pm

    Marte gets blame too he still cant throw a fastball right down the middle when manager is telling them he Morales will swing on 3-0.

  15. Giuseppe Franco April 25th, 2010 at 7:43 pm

    # Bronx Born April 25th, 2010 at 7:40 pm

    Right on GF. Where did you see the footage you are speaking about.

    —————

    Carl posted it on the previous thread. Cool stuff.

  16. countryclub April 25th, 2010 at 7:43 pm

    That was an ugly sequence.

  17. Doreen - GTLU Standings & Rules April 25th, 2010 at 7:43 pm

    I had forgotten that of the 18 games played, only 6 have been at the Stadium.

    I know it stinks to have lost the 2 in Anaheim (either/or or both), but to have started the season like this under those circumstances especially, playing tough teams to boot – who really can complain?

    Concern about Javy is warranted, but complaints? Nah.

  18. Bronx Born April 25th, 2010 at 7:43 pm

    Do you have the URL handy?

  19. blake April 25th, 2010 at 7:44 pm

    I generally don’t question the managers much because usually the questioning is in hindsight and not really fair.

    However when you’re first instinct is to walk the guy and then you fall behind 3-0…that’s pretty much a no brainer to me that you go ahead and put them on. The guy you were thinking about walking with a 0-0 count should certainly be walked in a 3-0 count.

  20. Betsy - Hughes rules (pleading the Fifth) April 25th, 2010 at 7:44 pm

    Rays won behind a complete game from Price; wow – he’s 9-1 against the AL East.

  21. pat April 25th, 2010 at 7:44 pm

    “Next Friday is going to be brutal”

    Andy starts Friday.

  22. Carl April 25th, 2010 at 7:44 pm

    np

  23. Edwar is in Oaktown April 25th, 2010 at 7:44 pm

    Melkman in Hotlanta is a great fan. Doesn’t mean he has to agree with the organizational moves.

    So far, NJ and Vazquez look like busts.

    Oh and Damon has a 12 game hitting streak and is hitting .323. Jackson has yet to cool off and hit his first HR today and his 5th double.

    Matsui is on fire as well.

    Only thing that looks good is Melky’s .140 average.

  24. CB April 25th, 2010 at 7:45 pm

    “Is Javy’s issue something that can be worked on in his bullpens? I guess that’s really the only opportunity they have to fix things, right? And in ST, Javy didn’t seem to be having these problems.”

    Doreen-

    I don’t know. Vazquez was having some of these problems in spring training. He was getting under the ball on his fastball even then. He was able to get around it however because his off speed stuff was so good and it was spring training.

    The problem has gotten worse however. And now it’s not just his fastball it’s also his change up. He’s better with his curve and slider but those two pitches aren’t enough. He winds up pitching in reverse, teams figure that out and sit off speed.

    Normally this is something you tackle in the pen. Usually it doesn’t take that long to correct. But Girardi and Eiland say he’s good in the pen and the problem is in game action.

    I don’t know what they can do in the pen or between starts. They have to do something different.

    But ultimately it really gets down to Javy executing his mechanics during the game. The game is always going to be played at a faster speed than a bull pen will.

  25. Bronx Born April 25th, 2010 at 7:45 pm

    never mind I found it… :)

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v.....eature=fvw

  26. Giuseppe Franco April 25th, 2010 at 7:45 pm

    # Giuseppe Franco April 25th, 2010 at 7:39 pm

    Yanks won in spite of mr overmanagement

    ————-

    Sure they did. I’m anxious to see your credentials and WS rings.

  27. Jack April 25th, 2010 at 7:45 pm

    oops… I meant Saturday

  28. Doreen - GTLU Standings & Rules April 25th, 2010 at 7:45 pm

    Wacky -

    Except for the fact that his players came out and talked about “buying into” Girardi’s plan.

  29. blake April 25th, 2010 at 7:46 pm

    3-3 on an early season west coast trip is quite acceptable.

  30. Jeremy April 25th, 2010 at 7:46 pm

    Like I said before why would anyone want Melky back. The guy is doing nothing in Atlanta. I could understand wanting Matsui or Damon if the Angels or Tigers fall out of the race but Melky ???

  31. m April 25th, 2010 at 7:47 pm

    I can’t kill Girardi for any of his moves. He did screw up on the miscommunication. When you commit, commit. Girardi was guilty of lack of conviction.

    But I definitely would’ve kept Aceves in. He’d retired 5 batters on 15 pitches. We were losing anyway. I didn’t see a need to play matchups there.

  32. BBFan April 25th, 2010 at 7:48 pm

    “Clueless Joe”

    I thought he left us two years ago :)

  33. Steve April 25th, 2010 at 7:49 pm

    Yes Wacky, you’ve got the correct moniker alright. Just a lack of baseball knowledge.

  34. Bronx Born April 25th, 2010 at 7:49 pm

    Could Mantle hit or what. Jeez he was so explosive..

  35. Betsy - Hughes rules (pleading the Fifth) April 25th, 2010 at 7:49 pm

    Let’s just take 2/3 in Baltimore and come on home….

  36. blake April 25th, 2010 at 7:49 pm

    I think you have to wait quite awhile on Javy before thinking about making a change and pulling him from the rotation. The track record is too long and the rerward too high if he’s able to right the ship.

    He’s just not repeating his delivery. One fastball will be on top, 91 Mph, with some movement and the next will be 86 up in the zone and flat. At this point in the season it is starting to be bothersome because you would think he would be making adjustments and ironing it out. You can’t pitch off of off speed stuff in the AL and you can’t be afraid of your fastbll.

    I just hope the reasoning behind the decreased velocity and inability to stay on top consistently really is mechanical and not because his shoulder hurts.

  37. Jeremy April 25th, 2010 at 7:49 pm

    Wel Girardi made a mistake. It’s early in the season and the Yankees never perform that well in Anaheim.

  38. ben April 25th, 2010 at 7:49 pm

    “So far, NJ and Vazquez look like busts.”

    And so far, it looks like Cervelli is going to set a new single-season batting average record, while Teixeira is going to be worse than either of Johnson or Vasquez. That’s the thing about small sample sizes – they’re pretty useless.

  39. Doreen - GTLU Standings & Rules April 25th, 2010 at 7:52 pm

    CB -

    I really, really thought being out of the Bronx would have helped take some “pressure” off Javy. The start he won, I thought, great, maybe he can relax and be himself and keep the ball rolling. Today was a total setback.

    I almost wish he could make his next start in Siberia.

  40. CB April 25th, 2010 at 7:52 pm

    “I just hope the reasoning behind the decreased velocity and inability to stay on top consistently really is mechanical and not because his shoulder hurts.”

    That’s a real concern. You really can’t know why he’s doing what he’s doing just by observation.

    If his shoulder is hurt this is pretty much the first thing you would expect to happen.

  41. Betsy - Hughes rules (pleading the Fifth) April 25th, 2010 at 7:52 pm

    Doreen, me too, lol. Javy is going to be showered with boos in NY…

  42. Truck April 25th, 2010 at 7:53 pm

    I don’t want 2\3 in Baltimore. I want all 3. The Orioles stink – they are 3-16. They are winless at home (0-6). And Yankee fans are going to make up 2\3rds of that place.

    We better win all 3 I would not settle for anything less…..

  43. hardwired April 25th, 2010 at 7:53 pm

    “This is something I have to live with,” Girardi said.

    ————————-

    it’s only April. it becomes ‘something you have to live with’ in October.

  44. Trevor April 25th, 2010 at 7:54 pm

    “Let’s just take 2/3 in Baltimore and come on home….”

    I consider Baltimore home a little. All those Yankee fans in stands. It’s like YS south. :D

  45. CB April 25th, 2010 at 7:54 pm

    “Only thing that looks good is Melky’s .140 average.”

    To write something like this really requires a total lack of irony.

    Resentment. The best part of fandom.

  46. Betsy - Hughes rules (pleading the Fifth) April 25th, 2010 at 7:54 pm

    If his shoulder is hurting, how dumb would Javy be after what happened the last time?

  47. Trevor April 25th, 2010 at 7:55 pm

    Is Joe polish?

    He must have a hellva time screwing in a light bulb.

  48. Betsy - Hughes rules (pleading the Fifth) April 25th, 2010 at 7:55 pm

    Trevor, I’m not sure it’s like that anymore….

  49. Jay April 25th, 2010 at 7:55 pm

    His next 2 starts are home vs. Chicago and @ Boston… ouch.

    Though we have the option of skipping him in Boston because we have an off-day before heading up there.

  50. trisha - OPPC member who sees, hears, and knows all. 28 is on its way!!!!! April 25th, 2010 at 7:56 pm

    GB, CR9 is a Yankee fan.

    BD I think you know that I don?t worry about losses. I am trying to figure out why Javy starts out good and falls apart. (I bet Javy?s trying to figure it out too!)

    ?The pitchers control the game not the other way around.?

    If you listened to Marte on the postgame, it isn?t always the pitcher who?s in contol of the game?

    Marte threw Cervelli under the bus. But if that?s the way he sees it, I guess it?s better that he tells it than plays a martyr role.

  51. Betsy - Hughes rules (pleading the Fifth) April 25th, 2010 at 7:56 pm

    Righ, so if they don’t sweep the O’s, what are you going to do?

  52. CR9 April 25th, 2010 at 7:56 pm

    Melky’s probably batting .140 because he is probably not getting everyday action.

  53. Carl April 25th, 2010 at 7:56 pm

    I want to see Clay and Phil match up. make it happen.

  54. Betsy - Hughes rules (pleading the Fifth) April 25th, 2010 at 7:57 pm

    I’m pretty annoyed at Marte’s comments; how about showing some guts and taking responsibility for the crappy pitches he made?

  55. Dave F April 25th, 2010 at 7:57 pm

    The NY Yankees are 12-6 after a very difficult opening schedule. They now play Baltimore and then get a home stand. I think they are in very good shape. Between Joe G and Dave Eiland, they should be able to figure out what is the problem with Javy. I still like our starting rotation very much. As for offense, as the calendar turns, you know that Tex will get going and it’s starting to look like this is the year that Cano becomes a major force. All in all, I must say, a great start!!

  56. CB April 25th, 2010 at 7:57 pm

    “That’s the thing about small sample sizes – they’re pretty useless.”

    Yeah. For example, making arguments based on the career WHIP of a second year reliever who threw 43 innings as a rookie.

    That’s would be pretty useless, especially given the non-linear gains he made over the course of those 43 innings which would make his mean statistical performance not only sensitive to random chance but also misleading.

  57. CD April 25th, 2010 at 7:57 pm

    Joe screwed up – BIG TIME.

    But, Cash deserves part of the blame, too. He’s the one who traded for Vazquez, and let Zilla go.

  58. Bronx Jeers April 25th, 2010 at 7:58 pm

    Nick, if you’re still here,

    I know nothing about that restaurant other than the fact that it is somewhat around the corner to La Taqueria.

    On the other hand I do recommend that you get some comidas boricuas en su estomago muy pronto .

    The fate of the Yankee Universe may depend upon it.

  59. blake April 25th, 2010 at 7:58 pm

    CB,

    In my experience when your shoulder hurts thats exactly what you do…its hurts more to throw on top so you drop down a little to relieve the pressure. Its fine if thats where you naturally release the ball but with Javy it isn’t. Thats why its a little concerning because after what 4 starts now you would hope to start seeing some improvement and more consistent releases and pitches. Hopefully its just some kind of mechanical funk thats really set in.

  60. CR9 April 25th, 2010 at 7:58 pm

    I always liked Melky. Not really great for us or anything (although he did have some walkoffs), but Melky had that infectious enthusiasm for the game.

    I loved his smile and his dugout celebrations, and his end of game handshake line!

  61. m April 25th, 2010 at 8:00 pm

    IF marte said those things, then what’s his excuse for his poor pitching last season? Does not equate.

    I try to love all my Yankees, but he’s less loved than the others. :)

    He can be really good, but he can be really bad, too.

  62. Nick in SF April 25th, 2010 at 8:01 pm

    Thanks, Bronx Jeers. I will take it all under advisement.

    What I want to know is, when will “freddy guzman is lost in the phillies’ system” start commenting here?

  63. blake April 25th, 2010 at 8:01 pm

    Disclaimer: (Javy’s shoulder is probably just fine…hopefully)

  64. CB April 25th, 2010 at 8:01 pm

    Isn’t Marte completely correct? I mean, when a pitcher doesn’t throw well it’s the catcher’s fault.

    And if the pitcher is throwing badly because he doesn’t feel comfortable and emotionally secure with that catcher and the way he’s putting down the signs and managing the game – that is clearly on the catcher.

    That theory was proven beyond a shadow of a doubt on this blog last year.

  65. SJ44 April 25th, 2010 at 8:01 pm

    12-6 people and the only ones whining are the Rex Sox fans who now fill this blog daily.

    Calling anybody a “bust” in April either makes you a troll or someone so lacking in baseball knowledge you shouldn’t be posting on a baseball blog.

    Since I don’t believe there are that many morons in the world, I’ll go with the troll angle.

    The Yankees have ONE problem right now and it’s Javy. That’s it.

    Getting him going is important. However, it isn’t the end of the world if they don’t. Just means that at some point, someone else will have to step up.

    He won’t have 20 starts to get it together. At this point, I’m guessing he’s got 4-5 more chances before they move onto Plan B.

    Go back to last year at this time. It’s NIGHT AND DAY better this year. Especially considering the difficulty of the early schedule.

    12-6 with one West Coast trip finished. I’ll take that anytime.

  66. Carl April 25th, 2010 at 8:01 pm

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Akxduexqug

    I know you guys were saying Mantle was a physical freak, but man Lou Gehrig was himself.

  67. m April 25th, 2010 at 8:01 pm

    melky set to lead off. turn on the tv. ;)

  68. Timmy April 25th, 2010 at 8:01 pm

    Vazquez knows the media will explode if Javy admits he is hurt. No one will believe him and they will all think he is making an excuse and they are trying to take some pressure off him. I doubt the fans who go to the stadium would believe it either.

    Javy is in a very tough spot. Makes you wonder if Cashman considered this when acquiring him. He should have known that Javy would get no breathing room here.

    It has to be hard to concentrate on pitching when you are afraid of getting booed if you give up a basehit and know you have to talk to the slimy media (who baited Javy into his ‘unfair’ comment. Even Wally Matthews ripped the media for provoking Javy like that).

  69. Yanks 127 April 25th, 2010 at 8:02 pm

    What was wrong with what Marte said? Cervelli called for the pitch, and he made it. How is that Marte’s fault? He trusted his catcher and he catcher made the wrong call.

  70. Doreen - GTLU Standings & Rules April 25th, 2010 at 8:03 pm

    CR9 -

    I’m a big Melky supporter, but he’s played in 16 games and has had 65 plate appearances and 56 at bats.

  71. CB April 25th, 2010 at 8:03 pm

    blake-

    He looks like he’s pitching tired. His shoulder is dropping. Not so bad if it’s the 7nth inning and he’s thrown 100 pitches.

    Not so good if it’s the first inning…

  72. Nick in SF April 25th, 2010 at 8:04 pm

    Javy afraid to get booed in front of so many Yankee fans in Anaheim?

  73. JJ April 25th, 2010 at 8:05 pm

    The Yankees have ONE problem right now and it’s Javy. That’s it.

    Getting him going is important. However, it isn’t the end of the world if they don’t. Just means that at some point, someone else will have to step up.

    He won’t have 20 starts to get it together. At this point, I’m guessing he’s got 4-5 more chances before they move onto Plan B.

    —————————————-

    Agree 100%. People are crazy if they think Javy gets the whole year if he continues to pitch like this.

  74. LGY April 25th, 2010 at 8:06 pm

    Has Javy been a guy in his career where he has sound mechanics? With the way he throws the ball would you expect him to be having an issue like this?

  75. Betsy - Hughes rules (pleading the Fifth) April 25th, 2010 at 8:06 pm

    CB, that’s right. It’s also true that if the pitcher pitches well, it’s all because of the pitcher. Poor catchers – they really are the tools of ignorance (or whatever that expression is). They’re too dumb to realize that they just can’t win….they get all of the blame and none of the credit.

    If I’m Frankie or anyone else on that team, I’m not happy with his comments. The media made a big stink when AJ complimented Frankie because they thought he was throwing Jorge under the bus; I wonder if they will take note of Marte’s comments.

  76. 50 Cents April 25th, 2010 at 8:06 pm

    Why should Marte take responsibility for his catcher calling a 3-0 fastball?

  77. SJ44 April 25th, 2010 at 8:07 pm

    If he’s hurt, he has to be honest and tell Girardi.

    It’s April. He doesn’t have to try and pitch through it now.

    If he’s not hurt, he is going to have to throw more fastballs and live with the results. He can’t keep pitching backward.

    Even a WELL PLACED 88-89 MPH fastball is an effective pitch. He just has to believe in the pitch and let it fly.

  78. LGY April 25th, 2010 at 8:07 pm

    SJ,

    I am not sure if you saw but your best friend JMK has his own blog if you would like to visit him.

  79. blake April 25th, 2010 at 8:07 pm

    “He looks like he’s pitching tired. His shoulder is dropping. Not so bad if it’s the 7nth inning and he’s thrown 100 pitches.

    Not so good if it’s the first inning…”

    Agreed, maybe he needs a new mattress or something.

    Honestly he threw some fastballs today that he could work with, they were just very few and far between…actually all fastballs were few and far between. Next outing he needs to throw it more whether he has faith in it or not right now…he’s not going to get back on track by going out there and throwing curveballs and sliders 75% of the time. (this is assuming he’s healthy).

  80. Kevin S. April 25th, 2010 at 8:08 pm

    For all the people saying various acquisitions have looked like busts “so far” – Teixeira went .200/.367/.371 last April. Sabathia was 1-2 with a 4.73 ERA and a 1.36 K/BB last April. AJ had a 5.40 ERA last April. I’m sure glad the Yankees braintrust decided that their moves were busts and kicked them all to the curb after a rough first month.

  81. Erica - always OPPC - Sesame Street Mafia and GTLU supporter April 25th, 2010 at 8:08 pm

    Can someone please refresh my memory as to the terms of Javy’s contract?

  82. Carl April 25th, 2010 at 8:08 pm

    SJ,

    Do you think they can change his grip like they did CC? It did wonders for him last year.

  83. Betsy - Hughes rules (pleading the Fifth) April 25th, 2010 at 8:08 pm

    SJ, when you put it that way, my frustration (not complaints) about the lineup or pen seem rather silly.

    I doubt these trolls are really Sox fans anyway. I mean, if they are really fans, why aren’t they hanging out with other Sox fans? When I am happy or annoyed by the Yankees, I want to hang out and either celebrate or vent with other Yankee fans. Something is missing from these troll’s lives; there’s an emptiness that the Sox just can’t fill.

  84. CB April 25th, 2010 at 8:08 pm

    “It’s also true that if the pitcher pitches well, it’s all because of the pitcher.”

    Not necessarily. Last year it was also proven that this is only the case when certain catcher are catching.

    There are definitely certain cases when a pitcher pitching well is due to the catcher. But that’s depends. It’s selective.

  85. CR9 April 25th, 2010 at 8:09 pm

    “Can someone please refresh my memory as to the terms of Javy’s contract?”

    Erica

    Javier must win each of first 4 starts, or the fans will be on his back like flies on sh**.

    He also must win 25 regular season games and 3 playoff games for fans to accept him.

  86. Don Vito A. Bellamo April 25th, 2010 at 8:09 pm

    Yankees will still finish 16-6 for April, but Javy needs to start earning his money or he is going to have a short leash soon

  87. SJ44 April 25th, 2010 at 8:09 pm

    Betsy,

    Cervelli made a rookie mistake on the 3-0 pitch. He also cost his pitchers some strikes today because he was too busy back there.

    He didn’t have a good game. It happens…even to Cervelli.

    Fans get caught up in comments. Players could care less about them.

  88. blake April 25th, 2010 at 8:09 pm

    “If he’s not hurt, he is going to have to throw more fastballs and live with the results. He can’t keep pitching backward.”

    totally agree.

  89. Betsy - Hughes rules (pleading the Fifth) April 25th, 2010 at 8:10 pm

    Yanks, that’s no excuse. First of all, Marte has to execute the pitch; Frankie didn’t call for the pitch to be hit out of the park. Secondly, if Marte doesn’t like the pitch, then shake him off. If Phil can do it at 23, then Marte can do it at 33 or however old he is. Blaming your teammates for anything is a huge no-no.

  90. Jay April 25th, 2010 at 8:11 pm

    Erica,

    Expires at the end of the year. $11.5 this year

  91. Erica - always OPPC - Sesame Street Mafia and GTLU supporter April 25th, 2010 at 8:11 pm

    CR9 April 25th, 2010 at 8:09 pm
    “Can someone please refresh my memory as to the terms of Javy’s contract?”

    Erica

    Javier must win each of first 4 starts, or the fans will be on his back like flies on sh**.

    He also must win 25 regular season games and 3 playoff games for fans to accept him.
    ********************

    I am not giving up on Javy. I am just asking how long he is a Yankee for

    Pitchers have had bad Aprils and gone on to have wonderful seasons. CC Sabathia last season is a good example

  92. Jeremy April 25th, 2010 at 8:11 pm

    Wow the Mets look bad ! Not in terms of their performance but the fact that the ballpark looks empty. You would think that more people would be at the park especially since they are playing a little better.

  93. Betsy - Hughes rules (pleading the Fifth) April 25th, 2010 at 8:12 pm

    Timmy, Javy can’t worry about what mediots say; what they say means less than nothing. If he’s hurt, he has to tell the team – it’s not fair to the team to keep going out there and killing their chances to win. Not saying anything doesn’t give the Yankees a chance to help Javy. If he is hurt, I want to know how he got hurt…..too many innings piling up now?

  94. CR9 April 25th, 2010 at 8:12 pm

    Erica

    I didnt think you were! I was just laughing at the idiots calling Javier a bust after 4 games!

    Free agent after this season.

  95. Erica - always OPPC - Sesame Street Mafia and GTLU supporter April 25th, 2010 at 8:12 pm

    Jay April 25th, 2010 at 8:11 pm
    Erica,

    Expires at the end of the year. $11.5 this year
    *************

    Thanks Jay!

  96. Mark April 25th, 2010 at 8:13 pm

    typical over-managing from Girardi

  97. m April 25th, 2010 at 8:14 pm

    I thought Chipper broke his hip on his birthday? mlb.com was making such a big deal out of it yesterday. :?

  98. CB April 25th, 2010 at 8:14 pm

    “Why should Marte take responsibility for his catcher calling a 3-0 fastball?”

    Of course he shouldn’t. Nor should he take any responsibility for having horrible command, missing his spot by a mile and grooving that fastball over the heart of the plate to a power hitter.

    None of that is his responsibility.

    It’s the catcher. Cervelli just tanked the entire at bat for Marte.

    Marte is so consistent with his arm action and mechanics that there’s no way it’s on him for the horribly located pitch that left his hand.

  99. Betsy - Hughes rules (pleading the Fifth) April 25th, 2010 at 8:14 pm

    SJ, believe me, I’m not saying Frankie is perfect. However, was it the wrong pitch called or did Marte just execute it poorly? That is, if it was the wrong pitch, would it have been hit out of the park even if it was executed well?
    I suppose the players are not parsing everything their teammates say about them, but still. Isn’t it the same thing as throwing up your hands when a fielder makes an error behind you?

  100. Kevin S. April 25th, 2010 at 8:14 pm

    In addition to the expiring, he’s got a limited NTC – can’t be traded to an AL West or NL West team without his consent.

  101. jennifer April 25th, 2010 at 8:15 pm

    at least Joe takes responsibility for his mistake.

  102. SJ44 April 25th, 2010 at 8:15 pm

    Carl,

    I think 3 things are at play:

    1. His mechanics are off. He’s getting under too many pitches. That can get fixed in his side sessions and bullpens. I don’t think it’s a grip issue.

    2. Regardless of velocity, he has to throw more fastballs. He’s pitching backward and that won’t work in the AL.

    3. He is pressing because of the past. On this issue, Javy has to forget about that or he will become another Ed Whitson.

    LGY,

    I’ll leave that blog to the audience he attracts…KKK members.

  103. CB April 25th, 2010 at 8:16 pm

    Marte also shouldn’t take any responsibility for the manager trusting his veteran pitcher to do anything but groove a pitch and miss his spot horribly inside of the zone rather than anywhere outside of the zone on 3-0.

    Marte absolutely should take no responsibility for the manager trusting him not to make an A ball pitcher mistake.

  104. Doreen - GTLU Standings & Rules April 25th, 2010 at 8:16 pm

    Marte answered a question. Why did you throw such and such a pitch. And he said, I throw what the catcher calls.

    He did not throw Cervelli under any buses. He did not blame his catcher. He did not volunteer any sort of blame.

    The guy was not happy with how he pitched and he wasn’t happy with the way things turned out and he was not happy with the indecision involved in that at-bat.

    So?

  105. Paul April 25th, 2010 at 8:16 pm

    If the Mets win tonight, then only 4 teams in the NL would have better records than them (SD, SF, PHI, STL). And they would only be 2 games behind the Phils.

    A week ago, they were dead.

  106. SJ44 April 25th, 2010 at 8:19 pm

    Doreen,

    EXACTLY!

    Don’t know why it’s so tough for folks to understand that.

  107. blake April 25th, 2010 at 8:19 pm

    “Marte absolutely should take no responsibility for the manager trusting him not to make an A ball pitcher mistake.”

    I would have preferred it if Girardi had just put Morales on once it went 3-0. Thats what you do in high school or college..However, I can also understand him thinking that a big league pitcher isn’t going to groove one 3-0 to a guy that they were considering walking anyway.

  108. m April 25th, 2010 at 8:20 pm

    Whoa. Base paths got crowded all of a sudden. Pelfrey’s 0.83 ERA in jeaopardy with Heyward at the plate.

  109. The Ohta Faction April 25th, 2010 at 8:20 pm

    Javier Vazquez:

    20 earned runs in 20 innings.

    That sucks.

  110. Tarheelyank April 25th, 2010 at 8:20 pm

    “Cervelli made a rookie mistake on the 3-0 pitch. ‘

    With all due respect, any blame on that pitch falls on Joe G. And rightfully he took responsibility.

  111. trisha - OPPC member who sees, hears, and knows all. 28 is on its way!!!!! April 25th, 2010 at 8:20 pm

    “What was wrong with what Marte said? Cervelli called for the pitch, and he made it. How is that Marte?s fault? He trusted his catcher and he catcher made the wrong call.”

    I don’t see a thing wrong with the comment. Marte was basically saying that he didn’t intend to take the heat for that mistake when it wasn’t his. I actually think it’s kind of dumb when players stand there and take responsibility when it isn’t theirs. Newer players tend to do that, in my opinion, because they aren’t going to show up the veterans, especially prickly veterans.

    Nobody will tell me that there are no catchers out there who haven’t called for the wrong pitch and maybe ended up costing the team the game. The question is how many stand up and say so?

    :)

  112. Carl April 25th, 2010 at 8:21 pm

    I really want Javy to have a good year :(

  113. Betsy - Hughes rules (pleading the Fifth) April 25th, 2010 at 8:22 pm

    Doreen, he could have said that he threw the pitch Frankie called for because he has confidence in Frankie, but that he just executed it poorly. To me, his comment is iffy, but I will grant you that he could just have worded it poorly.

  114. m April 25th, 2010 at 8:22 pm

    Doreen,

    They asked the wrong questions then. They should’ve asked, “Why did you groove the pitch that the catcher called?”

  115. SJ44 April 25th, 2010 at 8:24 pm

    Cervelli calls the game, not Girardi. Joe messed up on the strategy. However, you don’t call a 3-0 fastball to a red hot hitter in that situation. That’s a rookie mistake.

    It’s a teaching moment and Cervelli will learn from it.

    I’d rather he learn that lesson in April than October.

  116. Betsy - Hughes rules (pleading the Fifth) April 25th, 2010 at 8:24 pm

    LOL M, I would have loved to have heard that; if he had thrown a better pitch, maybe things would be different.

  117. Laura - I'm ready for baseball! April 25th, 2010 at 8:25 pm

    What a minute. Cervelli didn’t call for a fat fastball right over the middle of the plate. He called for a fastball away. Marte threw the pitch over the plate. That’s HIS fault, not dreamy eyes.

    As for Girardi, he owned up to his mistake. It takes a real man to admit when he’s wrong. I respect that. It’s one loss. I’m sure we’ll win another game before the season is through.

  118. m April 25th, 2010 at 8:25 pm

    The catcher also didn’t call for the HBP. The ump didn’t help any, I give him that. But the HBP did not help matters at all.

  119. Joe from Long Island April 25th, 2010 at 8:25 pm

    CB – better be careful – some might think you’re serious.

    BTW – it’s thundering here on LI, and I can see it’s raining in Queens, with the forecast for more – might have a lot to do with the low turnout – they may not get this game in.

  120. blake April 25th, 2010 at 8:25 pm

    “They asked the wrong questions then. They should’ve asked, “Why did you groove the pitch that the catcher called?”

    lol, yes that would be more appropriate. Maybe reporters should just start asking the real questions..Why did you miss that ball, why did you miss that pitch, why did you pop it up instead of getting a base hit? the answers would be entertaining anyway.

  121. Betsy - Hughes rules (pleading the Fifth) April 25th, 2010 at 8:26 pm

    Ok, I understand that, but then why didn’t Marte shake him off? I still believe the pitcher is in control of the game; he’s got the ball in his hand and he makes the final decision. If Marte really didn’t think the FB was the right pitch, then shake Frankie off and and don’t throw the pitch until they are both on the same page.

  122. Joe from Long Island April 25th, 2010 at 8:26 pm

    And it’s a shame – Tommy Hanson and Mike Pelfrey are the starters – that’s an interesing matchup.

  123. m April 25th, 2010 at 8:26 pm

    So, anyway. It’ll be Hughesday pretty soon, no? Happy thoughts, Yankee fans.

  124. Betsy - Hughes rules (pleading the Fifth) April 25th, 2010 at 8:27 pm

    Why did you lose that game? Do you think you’ll win another game?

  125. Laura - My Pretend Boyfriend plays for BAL April 25th, 2010 at 8:28 pm

    “20 earned runs in 20 innings.”

    Nowhere to go but up. I wish he could get another start on the road. I think that the fans at the stadium are just going to be brutal the first sign of trouble in his next start.

  126. blake April 25th, 2010 at 8:28 pm

    why did your bat break?

  127. JMK aka The Overshare April 25th, 2010 at 8:29 pm

    No one defends a gutless scrub quite like the blowhard SJ44. Vazquez is awful. But keep up the good work SJ

  128. Betsy - Hughes rules (pleading the Fifth) April 25th, 2010 at 8:29 pm

    M, I like that -and another day for Nick to have an In and Out burger and phries. It should be interesting – the last time Phil pitched in Baltimore (at least as a starter), he was pounded. Hopefully he won’t visualize that performance like he did the Texas near-no hitter when he was in Oakland, lol

  129. Tarheelyank April 25th, 2010 at 8:29 pm

    SJ

    That AB was all on Giradi. he gave him ball 1, when he should have gave him ball 4. He took responsibility, that ends it for me. I don’t blame Cervelli at all. Especially because he is a rookie.

  130. MTU (aka GBURL) April 25th, 2010 at 8:29 pm

    Blake-

    Why did you let that pitch go thru the hole in your bat ?

  131. Betsy - Hughes rules (pleading the Fifth) April 25th, 2010 at 8:30 pm

    Why did the other team win? What happens if they win again? The Rays are in first place now; does this mean they will stay there all year?

  132. Jeremy April 25th, 2010 at 8:30 pm

    If the Mets win tonight they will be 1 game back behind the Phillies. The NL East is not like the AL East so the Mets might hang in there. Also I have to admit that the Mets have been getting some good pitching.

  133. SJ44 April 25th, 2010 at 8:30 pm

    Some pitchers don’t like to shake off. Andy and Clemens for example, hate it. Mo isn’t even big on shaking off catchers.

    The correct pitch should have been a back leg slider. If you walk him, you walk him.

    A more experienced catcher would have known Morales would have the green light.

    When you play rookies, you have to live with the on the job training that will take place. That sequence was one of those moments.

  134. Doreen - GTLU Standings & Rules April 25th, 2010 at 8:31 pm

    m -

    I’ll go with that. Better questions would help.

    Also, in my mind, when someone’s first language isn’t English and they’re faced with all this media, no matter how long they’ve been exposed to it, the exchange is not going to be perfect.

    During Javy’s interview, Kim asked him about whether or not he could feel things unraveling, and to Javy’s credit, he said he really didn’t now what this meant.

    You’re asking guys these questions after a loss. Nobody is in a good mood after a loss. If you’re they guy who gave up the homerun that put the game, basically, out of reach, are you going to be particularly pithy in talking about the experience. Some guys are good at it; some aren’t. Marte didn’t say anything awful.

    I get a slight feeling if it was Jorge and not Cervelli, there’d be a bunch of people saying, “see, we were right, Jorge can’t call a game.”

    Besides, there were many reasons this game was lost. From Thames non-catch, to Javy’s less-than-stellar performance, to Girardi’s indecision, to the offense disappearing after they looked like they might handle Kazmir well, to Marte’s poor location of a poorly called pitch.

    They can’t win all games. And to take 2 of 3 from a good Angels team in Anaheim would have been GREAT. As it is, they are tied with Anaheim this season, and isn’t that a lot better than usual? Anaheim is the only team with a winning record against the Yankees for years!

    I know there is a tendency to look for reasons and scapegoats etcetera, but the bottom line is simply, even a great team is going to lose about 1/3 of their games, yes?

  135. Betsy - Hughes rules (pleading the Fifth) April 25th, 2010 at 8:31 pm

    Why do fools fall in love? Who wrote the book of love?

  136. MTU (aka GBURL) April 25th, 2010 at 8:31 pm

    Betsy-

    Do you think you would be a better pitcher if you could just miss more bats ?

  137. CR9 April 25th, 2010 at 8:31 pm

    Gutless scrub?

    Awful?

    JMK. Either you are a Red Sox fan, or a very bad Yankees fan who wants to see Javier fail.

  138. BBFan April 25th, 2010 at 8:32 pm

    Just before the season started, we were talking about how the Yanks would start the season given the tough schedule. Almost every one said we would be happy if they have .500 record by the time this series is over. Instead we have .666 record.

    That is wonderful folks. If this trend continues we will win 108 games by the end of regular season. Be happy and enjoy it :)

  139. KevinP April 25th, 2010 at 8:33 pm

    I don’t really care how much Thames is hitting. His defense has cost the teams runs in at least 3 of the games he played.

    Put Winn as the platoon if you insist on sitting Gardner. At least Winn will provide solid defense and some speed, 2 things in which Thames has none of.

  140. SJ44 April 25th, 2010 at 8:33 pm

    Look everybody, our favorite Klan member is here!

    Anybody else find funny the irony of the Klan member calling another person “gutless”?

    Gotta love the Internet!

  141. Jeremy April 25th, 2010 at 8:34 pm

    Joe from Long Island

    Yeah the weather is most likely the main reason why a lot of people are not at Citi Field.

  142. CR9 April 25th, 2010 at 8:34 pm

    Klan member?

  143. blake April 25th, 2010 at 8:35 pm

    MTU,

    why don’t you have much life on your fastball?

  144. JMK aka The Overshare April 25th, 2010 at 8:35 pm

    Want vazquez to fail? He’s already a failure. He’s a gutless coward who has no fastball. No matter how much blowhards like SJ defend him it doesn’t change the facts

  145. Joe from Long Island April 25th, 2010 at 8:36 pm

    So, is the world coming to an end? Joe said he made a mistake, Javy needs to get it together, and Cisco had a learning experience. Unfortunately, it all happened in a loss. They have, what, the third best record in MLB (12-6), after playing the top teams in the league for the last 18 games at the start of the season, most of them on the road?

    Forget the registration, can we have an intelligence test?

  146. Doreen - GTLU Standings & Rules April 25th, 2010 at 8:36 pm

    And, finally, players are not robots. No one intends to lay a fastball right in there. No one intends to pop up with the bases loaded. Sometimes (most times, really) you’re gonna fail at your attempt. Frankly, I don’t know that I could be a baseball player living with all the failure and then the questions right after, as if you wanted to fail.

  147. CR9 April 25th, 2010 at 8:36 pm

    JMK

    Gutless coward?

    4 starts?

    Have you heard of a pitcher struggling?

    You know, it is commonplace in baseball, right?

  148. MTU (aka GBURL) April 25th, 2010 at 8:36 pm

    Blake-

    Your coach told you need to take it to the mound.

    Why didn’t you take it to the mound ?

  149. Abuwon Skywalker April 25th, 2010 at 8:36 pm

    lol @nick in Sf….i said something like who would win in a race, pete abe with red bull or usain bolt… and pete got angry…. btw, this is a rare hot April for NYY, no?

  150. Betsy - Hughes rules (pleading the Fifth) April 25th, 2010 at 8:36 pm

    Ok, that’s fair, SJ. I find it odd about not wanting to shake off at all, but I guess different strokes for different folks (and for what it’s worth, I don’t mean a pitcher should be shaking a catcher off all the time. If that’s the case, they need to work on their issues outside the diamond).

    Jeremy, I hate the Mets almost as much as I hate the Sox. When they are playing well, I avoid sports radio (since usually there isn’t much Yankee talk anyway) and I’m much happier. They’re definitely getting good pitching – the Phillies are still by far the best team in that division and in the NL, though.

  151. SJ44 April 25th, 2010 at 8:36 pm

    Thanks for making my point.

  152. Carl April 25th, 2010 at 8:37 pm

    He was the calling Torii and Curtis the N word last night CR9

  153. ---.---. April 25th, 2010 at 8:37 pm

    Joe get the over managing out the way in Apr, so you and your team can settle in a winning groove. On the way back home leave Javy in Baltimore, please?

  154. Betsy - Hughes rules (pleading the Fifth) April 25th, 2010 at 8:38 pm

    Doreen, just to be clear, I’m not blaming Marte for the loss. The Yankees got 3 hits today – 3. They did many things wrong in this game – so be it – and probably deserved the loss. You’re points are very well taken.

  155. trisha - OPPC member who sees, hears, and knows all. 28 is on its way!!!!! April 25th, 2010 at 8:38 pm

    Laura, according to Marte, he put the pitch where Cervelli called for it.

    Again, I’m sure that happens more than we would imagine. It’s just that players are very politic about it, even though they may make veiled suggestions at times.

    No player is perfect and nobody gets it right all the time. The danger comes when posters think their favorite players are immune to mistake and so do entire theses on how it’s always their favorite player that’s in the right in every situation.

    Since I see players as human and not as machines, I understand that players will make mistakes. ALL players.

  156. Jeremy April 25th, 2010 at 8:38 pm

    SJ44
    The guy is Klan member ? Wow !

    Explains why he has a hatred for Javy that goes beyond pitching. Maybe he wants him to go back to Puerto Rico. (Though it’s a U.S. territory)

  157. CR9 April 25th, 2010 at 8:39 pm

    Carl

    On here? I must have missed that!

    And why would any Yankee fan insult Granderson? What has he done wrong?

  158. Betsy - Hughes rules (pleading the Fifth) April 25th, 2010 at 8:39 pm

    Just ignore this person….and try and get him banned

  159. Jeremy April 25th, 2010 at 8:40 pm

    Besty
    Yeah I’m no big fan of the Mets. I agree that the Phillies are the class of the NL.

  160. Doreen - GTLU Standings & Rules April 25th, 2010 at 8:40 pm

    Hey if we keep insisting Nick in SF eats ethnic food after every win, we’re going to have to contribute to the Jenny Craig fund at the end of the year! :)

    @Nick in SF -

    Maybe you need to pick another means of celebration?

  161. Paul April 25th, 2010 at 8:41 pm

    Will Matt Albers serve up gopherballs to out hitters this week?

  162. CR9 April 25th, 2010 at 8:41 pm

    In re: to all the talk about players being human, and not machines, which I 99% agree with….

    I have one exception…

    Steroid Enhanced 2004 David Ortiz! That juiced dude was a MACHINE!

  163. JMK aka The Overshare April 25th, 2010 at 8:41 pm

    4 starts? Guess u forgot about 2004 and his time with the white sox. His own manager called him gutless. Conveniently blowhard SJ forgets this

  164. Pat M April 25th, 2010 at 8:41 pm

    Vasquez is shortarming many of his pitches

  165. Jeremy April 25th, 2010 at 8:42 pm

    CR9

    Because he doesn’t like his skin color. Maybe if Granderson was white he would love him. Racism is really a sick thing. You would think that people would move on in this country especially since we will be a minority majority country in a couple of decades.

  166. Jack April 25th, 2010 at 8:43 pm

    I hate the Mets so much and I hate that Pelfrey is so good because he will be compared to our young pitchers. I also hate that Ike Davis looks like a good young hitter and Meijia looks good in the pen.

    And they are only going to get better when Beltran comes back.

  167. SJ44 April 25th, 2010 at 8:43 pm

    It’s the Internet. You have a lot of nice folks on here and you have some sick puppies on here Jeremy.

    My guess is, if the powers that be at LoHud don’t start taking control here and start flushing the racists and trolls out of here, most of the good posters will be elsewhere by June.

    Racists+trolls+whiny children out of school for the summer=the destruction of this blog.

  168. it's possible April 25th, 2010 at 8:44 pm

    Javy thought he was taking Manny’s PEDs, instead it was straight-up estrogen.

  169. CR9 April 25th, 2010 at 8:44 pm

    JMK

    While I like Ozzie Guillen, he is sometimes a bit loose with words (like me!). I dont think Ozzie really believed Javier was gutless.

    He probably just made a comment in the heat of the moment.

    2004? What about 2004. Kevin Brown was a loser who broke his hand….he started Game that Game 7. Javier got brought in to a very difficult spot.

  170. Doreen - GTLU Standings & Rules April 25th, 2010 at 8:45 pm

    Betsy -

    Please don’t take my comments as directed at you personally. My comments are scattershot. :)

    I think as a whole, we tend to parse the post-game interviews a little too much. Some guys are glib and others aren’t. Some guys really shouldn’t be interviewed right after a loss (I bet you’d get different responses even an hour later), and others guys are really good at it.

    We want reasons and answers, when there sometimes really aren’t any. Sometimes you do everything wrong and you win; sometimes you do everything right and you lose.

  171. Betsy - Hughes rules (pleading the Fifth) April 25th, 2010 at 8:45 pm

    Chad has said that he’s banned some people and they keep changing their IP address. I’m afraid SJ is right. Some of this language is beyond offensive and it’s hard to ignore.

  172. Abuwon Skywalker--now icebird753 April 25th, 2010 at 8:45 pm

    And SJ44, if you were referring to the KKK ,you have no right to call him a clan member; that’s disgraceful. We’re all Yankee fans here, I hate it sometimes when some people think they are so superior to others; if you really are that great, just get hired by the Yankees and get on with your life. He’s concerned about Vasquez, big whoop?

  173. trisha - OPPC member who sees, hears, and knows all. 28 is on its way!!!!! April 25th, 2010 at 8:45 pm

    “And, finally, players are not robots. No one intends to lay a fastball right in there. No one intends to pop up with the bases loaded. Sometimes (most times, really) you?re gonna fail at your attempt. Frankly, I don?t know that I could be a baseball player living with all the failure and then the questions right after, as if you wanted to fail.”

    Absolutely on point Doreen.

    I’ll tell you something I disagree with in one of your other posts. If Jorge had called for that pitch and the pitcher later said he put it right where the catcher called for it, I think there would be a firestorm on this forum with people blaming the pitcher, saying if he didn’t want to throw it there, he shouldn’t have. I think that some posters are so mesmerized with Jorge that they actually dry heave at the thought that he could say or do anything wrong. But since I like you recognize that players are human and not robots, I know better than to think that any player is immune from mistake.

  174. Betsy - Hughes rules (pleading the Fifth) April 25th, 2010 at 8:46 pm

    Doreen, not at all – I know you weren’t doing that :mrgreen:

  175. blake April 25th, 2010 at 8:46 pm

    Do trolls have a blogsite that we could go terrorize? an eye for an eye, tooth for a tooth, troll for a troll.

  176. MTU (aka GBURL) April 25th, 2010 at 8:46 pm

    Pat M.-

    “Vasquez is shortarming many of his pitches”

    Can you translate that ?

    Also, what causes something like that, and how is it fixed ?

  177. Kevin S. April 25th, 2010 at 8:47 pm

    Ozzie Guillen is also the same guy who would rather give half his DH starts to Juan Pierre and Mark Kotsay instead of Jim Thome. Maybe he’s not the world’s best evaluator of talent?

    He also gave up on Swisher because he doesn’t understand how to react to fluctuations in hitters’ BABIPs.

  178. blake April 25th, 2010 at 8:48 pm

    MTU,

    just become a reporter and ask Javy why he is shortarming his pitches and why he isn’t throwing as hard this year ;)

  179. Abuwon Skywalker--now icebird753 April 25th, 2010 at 8:48 pm

    wait lmao im a confused person, I meant to rip JMK for being a moron. i agree with u sj

  180. Tn Yankee April 25th, 2010 at 8:48 pm

    I don’t comment much but I don’t like what I’m seeing lately on here.
    Anyone who would draw a conclusion on a player in April obviously doesn’t know a thing about baseball. Tex had a bad april last year, Arod had the worst spring of his career for lots of different reasons nuff said?

  181. JMK aka The Overshare April 25th, 2010 at 8:49 pm

    Typical blowhard SJ. Can’t take the heat. When u have blowhard opinions u really should be able to. Especially when u r always wrong

  182. Angel - In an Empire State of Mind April 25th, 2010 at 8:50 pm

    CB April 25th, 2010 at 7:54 pm
    “Only thing that looks good is Melky’s .140 average.”

    To write something like this really requires a total lack of irony.

    Resentment. The best part of fandom.

    *************************************************

    So true, CB.

  183. MTU (aka GBURL) April 25th, 2010 at 8:50 pm

    Blake-

    Best way to do it is have the reporter ask the inane question, and then have a talking head head give the obvious answer.

    They don’t need me. ;)

  184. SJ44 April 25th, 2010 at 8:51 pm

    He’s not a Yankee fan. He’s a card carrying racist hurling racial insults toward Yankee players on a blog.

    That makes him a Klan member to me.

    What’s funny is, he calls players gutless?

    Who in the world would throw out the racial comments this punk threw out the other night, behind a screenname on the Internet, and call anybody gutless? That’s real irony to me.

    If you want to defend that behavior, that’s your choice. I choose otherwise.

  185. CR9 April 25th, 2010 at 8:51 pm

    “Some of this language is beyond offensive and it’s hard to ignore.”

    Betsy

    I agree that the language you speak of is terrible. But how hard is it to ignore?

    Have we not heard people in our everyday lives use such words before? In the end, words are just words.

    I’d have more of a problem with a homeless guy saving a womans life the other day, getting stabbed himself, and then having 20 people walk by him in the span of an hour, leaving him to die. Nobody calling 911! Now that’s a travesty, disgraceful, pathetic, whatever word you want to put here.

  186. Jeremy April 25th, 2010 at 8:51 pm

    Abuwon Skywalker
    If a poster is calling Black players the N-word and calling out players like Javy for his performance while also having hatred for him because he is Latino then the guy should be called a Klan member and called a racist.

  187. Trevor April 25th, 2010 at 8:51 pm

    # JMK aka The Overshare April 25th, 2010 at 8:49 pm

    Typical blowhard SJ. Can’t take the heat. When u have blowhard opinions u really should be able to.
    ==========================
    oh leave him alone. haven’t you made him cry enough?

  188. JMK aka The Overshare April 25th, 2010 at 8:52 pm

    Don’t compare Vazquez to Tex starting slow. Please.

  189. CR9 April 25th, 2010 at 8:55 pm

    Doreen

    I did not know that about Melky.

    Maybe he bats 8th and doesnt get good pitches to hit because of the pitcher behind him?

  190. Abuwon Skywalker--now icebird753 April 25th, 2010 at 8:55 pm

    LOL sj, calm down, i saw ur KKK thing, and being a person of color (indian) i assumed u were the one being racist. but then, i saw what he wrote, and i understand why u wrote that (although its not completely right either). JMK, go look up synonyms for blowhard, its the only word u seem to know. and put some detergent in your mouth while your at it, eh? You’re comments are disgusting.

  191. Angel - In an Empire State of Mind April 25th, 2010 at 8:55 pm

    What did we do on this blog to deserve JMK? Yikes.

    Someone put some bad karma out there clearly…

  192. Betsy - Hughes rules (pleading the Fifth) April 25th, 2010 at 8:55 pm

    CR, I hadn’t heard about that – now I’m sick to my stomach.

    I don’t think, however, that people should get away with using this kind of language here. I don’t want to hear it and it does make me sick; it’s offensive, it’s insulting, it’s degrading, it’s reprehensible. These creatures should be banned; what miserable people.

  193. CR9 April 25th, 2010 at 8:56 pm

    The only blowhard I know of is SKIRT SCHILLING!!!!!!!!

  194. Abuwon Skywalker--now icebird753 April 25th, 2010 at 8:56 pm

    @jeremy and every1 else above, see my recent comment, that shud clear things up. My b

  195. LGY April 25th, 2010 at 8:57 pm

    SJ,

    JMK was the one who posted the stuff under hit girl’s name the other night?

  196. Pat M April 25th, 2010 at 8:58 pm

    MTU…..It looks to me, that Vasquez is not getting full extenstion nor is he following through or better yet , he’s not completing his follow through……From where I sat today, Javy appears to be not fully breaking back with his shoulder……….Cano & Abreu’s dingers were of the majestic vareity…….Thames didn’t misplay Wood’s line-drive, he had no chance…….I felt when Derek hit into that fielder’s choice with the bases loaded, Yanks left the door open…….After Hunter & Matsui stole their bases, with 1st base open I was certain Kendrey Morales was getting a free pass to first…..3-0 green light was not a surprise ….. I think Morales tatoo’d Bruney last September on a 3-0 green lighter…..That ball has yet to come down

  197. Jeremy April 25th, 2010 at 8:58 pm

    JMK
    The question is did you make those racist remarks ? Yes or No ?

  198. Doreen - GTLU Standings & Rules April 25th, 2010 at 8:59 pm

    CR9

    Melky hit lead-off in 6 games, 6th in 1 game, 7th in 2 games, 8th in 5 games, and 9th in 2 games.

    I think they started him as a lead-off hitter, and then moved him down when he wasn’t hitting.

  199. CR9 April 25th, 2010 at 9:00 pm

    Betsy

    You made mention here the other day of misogynistic comments made about u and Trisha a while back and that nobody cared.

    I remember the comments about a month ago, and I just said to myself, “Betsy and Trisha are better than that person, why should they get upset because of something somebody else said?”

    Yes, they should be banned. You do know, some people do things simply to get a rise out of others. Why give them the satisfaction?

    __

    Yeah, that story was in the NY Post a few days ago. Disheartening. Puts baseball into perspective.

  200. trisha - OPPC member who sees, hears, and knows all. 28 is on its way!!!!! April 25th, 2010 at 9:00 pm

    Betsy, here’s the schizophrenia here when it comes to game calling. There’s really no unanimity when it comes to agreeing on whether the pitcher calls the game or the catcher calls the game. (And we know there isn’t any one “correct” response since we know that there are pitchers who like to call their own games and pitchers who like the games called for them.)

    So where it gets crazy is when people start asking the question “Well shouldn’t the pitcher just shake it off if he doesn’t want to throw the pitch?” I don’t think people should really cherry pick their responses. I was impressed hearing Al Leiter and David Cone say that they would rather have a pitcher throw the wrong pitch but be commited to the pitch he’s throwing rather than throw something he’s not comfortable with just because the catcher calls for it. (Of course I know their prejudice is on the side of the pitcher)

    If Marte wasn’t comfortable with the pitch Cervelli was calling for, should he have shaken it off? When CC pitched his first games for the Yankees, Posada got a lot of heat in the press because the media accused him of calling for a lot of pitches in a location that didn’t favor the way CC pitched but rather favored the way he liked to catch. So now, if Posada was behind the plate today and called for a pitch, and Marte wasn’t comfortable with the pitch, would people say that Marte should have shaken him off? Or would they say that because he’s a veteran Marte should just go with it?

    Personally I don’t care who’s catching the game. I believe in what Leiter said. If the pitcher isn’t comfortable with the pitch, I’d rather he shake it off and throw what he’s comfortable with. And that’s any pitcher, with any catcher. JMO of course.

    As with everything, the truth likely lies somewhere in the middle. There is probably never any one answer that satisfies every situation.

  201. Jeremy April 25th, 2010 at 9:00 pm

    Abuwon Skywalker
    Yeah I saw you’re post sorry for directing my comment at you.

  202. SJ44 April 25th, 2010 at 9:00 pm

    LGY,

    Yes. If he denies it, he’s lying.

  203. MTU (aka GBURL) April 25th, 2010 at 9:01 pm

    Want some positives to think about after today’s loss:

    1) Take a look at how Boston is starting the season.

    2) We have had 2 near no hitters pitched in the 1st month of the season.

    3) We are 12 and 6 w/o Texiera, NJ, or Swish contributing much, and while playing really good teams the majority of which were on the road.

    4) GGBG has greatly exceeded expectations so far.

    5) Cano is a beast

    6) Cervelli has exceeded expectations so far.

    7) Our defense has been solid.

    Need I say more because I can. ;)

  204. CR9 April 25th, 2010 at 9:01 pm

    Doreen

    I didnt know that. Thanks. I never would have batted Melky leadoff. Dont know what Cox was doing!

    Poor Melky. He is such a great guy, I wish all the best for him except when he faces us. No walkoffs against us!

  205. Doreen - GTLU Standings & Rules April 25th, 2010 at 9:02 pm

    Pat M -

    Interesting that you think Thames had no chance on that ball. We all have had him strung up here! :)

    Sorry you had to see a loss today.

    People were saying Cano could hit 25-30 hrs and I was a doubter, but he’s a different hitter this year in terms of power.

  206. icebird753 April 25th, 2010 at 9:03 pm

    he’s clearly going to lie lol, why would he tell the truth? He’s prob just some 14 yr old moron who has nothing better to do with his time and his mouth than to throw nasty comments at others. We see those people all the time, they’re just out for attention

  207. LGY April 25th, 2010 at 9:03 pm

    Jeez. Chad really needs to get this blog in control.

    The commenting has really been fantastic lately when the trolls are not around.

    When they are it has really been unbearably bad.

  208. Tn Yankee April 25th, 2010 at 9:04 pm

    MTU,
    Spot on, Spot on.

  209. blake April 25th, 2010 at 9:04 pm

    MTU,

    8) Pettite is pitching as well as he had in his career.
    9) Hughes has looked great.
    10) AJ has battled and limited damage in his starts.
    11) it took the 6 series for the Yankees to lose one.

  210. CR9 April 25th, 2010 at 9:04 pm

    Why didnt Chad ban JMK?

  211. Jeremy April 25th, 2010 at 9:04 pm

    JMK Forgot to wash his white sheets. Thats why he is gone.

    Let’s hope that he stays gone.

  212. Tn Yankee April 25th, 2010 at 9:06 pm

    Back to baseball,

    I like GGBG everyday, at least until he cools off. Am I wrong?

  213. Betsy - Hughes rules (pleading the Fifth) April 25th, 2010 at 9:06 pm

    Trish, that was my point about Marte (or any other pitcher), but as SJ said, some pitchers don’t feel comfortable doing that. Maybe Marte is one of those….I’m still not in love with his comments, but it’s not really a big deal at this point given that Javy is still struggling.

    CR, I don’t usually respond to these people, but they should not have a forum for their bigotry and I do think it will eventually drive people off. If we had an ignore function that would be one thing, but even just scrolling post certain posters, you can’t help reading this trash.

  214. ralphie April 25th, 2010 at 9:06 pm

    Does Cashman ever learn? Every time they or any AL grabs a successful pitcher from the NL its never works out. 1 in 10 actually work out. They are either in over their heads or they have issues with mechanics or delivery.

  215. Betsy - Hughes rules (pleading the Fifth) April 25th, 2010 at 9:07 pm

    MTU and Boone Logan is the best pitcher from the Melky trade, lol.!

  216. MTU (aka GBURL) April 25th, 2010 at 9:07 pm

    Blake-

    Thank you for the assistance.

    A few more:

    14) The last time the Yankees won this many series to start a season was back in the twenties.

    15) The last time people were perfect was in Eden. ;)

  217. Jeremy April 25th, 2010 at 9:07 pm

    I will say that the Mets do have a few good young players and I thought that had nothing in the farm. Though their farm system is still not that good.

  218. jennifer April 25th, 2010 at 9:08 pm

    Carl who was saying racist things about Curtis?

  219. Betsy - Hughes rules (pleading the Fifth) April 25th, 2010 at 9:08 pm

    Blake……..

    How could I forget Phil? He deserves a :mrgreen: and a :)

    If he pitches badly on Tuesday, he’ll deserve a :mad: :mad: :mad:
    (just kidding)

  220. CR9 April 25th, 2010 at 9:09 pm

    15) The last time people were perfect was in Eden

    __

    I take issue with that one. There is one clear exception. From 2003-2008, David Ortiz was PERFECT in the eyes of the national media.

    Should I have not believed ESPN? :lol:

  221. MTU (aka GBURL) April 25th, 2010 at 9:09 pm

    16) we have the best catching pipeline in all of baseball.

    17) we still have not been shutout.

    continue please. :)

  222. icebird753 April 25th, 2010 at 9:09 pm

    I agree LGY, this situation is similar to that one with GB7 a few months ago…but what can you do? These people are always going to be around. Wouldn’t be shocked if he’s one of those 10 people supporting the Arizona bill. BTW (change subject) did u guys see the Messiah’s batting average? Its early, but dang, time to resurrect it. Can’t wait for him to be in NY!

  223. trisha - OPPC member who sees, hears, and knows all. 28 is on its way!!!!! April 25th, 2010 at 9:11 pm

    “I?d have more of a problem with a homeless guy saving a womans life the other day, getting stabbed himself, and then having 20 people walk by him in the span of an hour, leaving him to die. Nobody calling 911! Now that?s a travesty, disgraceful, pathetic, whatever word you want to put here.”

    CR9, I remember reading another story that became a pretty famous case (and I swore I would never forget the woman’s name, though I can’t remember it right now. I’m thinking her first name was Dolores) that took place in New York – maybe Queens, not sure – where she was attacked and murdered and screamed out for help and a whole bunch of people later said they heard her screams and did nothing about it.

    I’m sure it’s a psychologist’s dream case, if you know what I mean, analyzing exactly what is lacking in those people, and the ones in the case of the homeless man, that they could view those situations and do nothing to help. Horrifying.

  224. Betsy - Hughes rules (pleading the Fifth) April 25th, 2010 at 9:12 pm

    Trish, that was Kitty Genovese.

  225. pat April 25th, 2010 at 9:13 pm

    Is short arming pitches, getting under pitches and pushing pitches the same things or are they 3 different mechanical issues?

  226. Betsy - Hughes rules (pleading the Fifth) April 25th, 2010 at 9:13 pm

    It was Queens, Kew Gardens. She was attacked, escaped and actually ended up dying on the steps of her apartment I believe. Hideous story – not one person did anything to help her.

  227. Betsy - Hughes rules (pleading the Fifth) April 25th, 2010 at 9:14 pm

    That is, she escaped and was attacked again after the killer had caught up with her. The story still gives me shivers.

  228. blake April 25th, 2010 at 9:14 pm

    18) the schedule should lighten up soon.
    19) Posada’s bat speed could pass for a 30 year old.
    20) Rivera has been Rivera….again.

  229. CR9 April 25th, 2010 at 9:15 pm

    Trisha

    Yes! Exactly! Not helping is one thing, the least a person can do is call 911 and get the person help.

    http://www.nypost.com/p/news/l.....udVuEd8fbI

  230. blake April 25th, 2010 at 9:15 pm

    I’m hoping Phil will be Phantastic on Tuesday. If he Phails we will still love him.

  231. Tn Yankee April 25th, 2010 at 9:15 pm

    Trish,
    Kitty Genovese mob mentality
    everyone thought someone else will do something so why should I get involved? It’s in every psycology textbook there is.

  232. CR9 April 25th, 2010 at 9:15 pm

    Betsy

    If the story gives you shivers, then I dont think Im going to read it…

  233. Doreen - GTLU Standings & Rules April 25th, 2010 at 9:16 pm

    CR9 -

    I still have my fingers crossed for Melky over there in Atlanta. Maybe it’s an adjustment period. But I agree, he’s no lead-off hitter.

  234. Jeremy April 25th, 2010 at 9:18 pm

    CR9
    The fact that Red Sox fans still talk about steroids like they have the moral high ground is a joke. If Arod is such a bad guy then that means that David Ortiz, Manny Ramirez are just as bad.
    They can’t have it both ways.

  235. Betsy - Hughes rules (pleading the Fifth) April 25th, 2010 at 9:18 pm

    Blake, you know I keep forgetting about Mo when we do things like this. Mo has looked fantastic ; he’s only had one shaky outing and he still got the job done. The man is ageless.

  236. blake April 25th, 2010 at 9:18 pm

    Breaking News.

    ESPN is reporting that the Red Sox have just offered David Ortiz and Mike Lowell to Atlanta for Tommy Hanson and Jason Heyward. Rumor is that Hanson and Heyward were placed on their “down the road” list last season.

  237. CR9 April 25th, 2010 at 9:19 pm

    Heck, I even stop on a main road when there’s a stray puppy.

  238. Pat M April 25th, 2010 at 9:19 pm

    Doreen….Robinson Cano is on the brink of being a top 10 ballplayer…….On that liner hit at Thames, he broke in but he never had a chance, and he’s a big guy, just not athletic enough to make that play……..If Gardner got the same quick read and being a lefty, he very well may have came up with it ??? Tough call on that …..Vasquez had great stuff today, he just got himself into a jam he couldn’t escape from…..Nicking Rivera was a killer for him……..It’s official, The Lohud has reaced an all time low……We maybe seeing Ed Norton posting here anytime now …….

  239. blake April 25th, 2010 at 9:20 pm

    21) CC has been much better much earlier than last year.
    22) Arod is moving much better than last year.

  240. Jeremy April 25th, 2010 at 9:20 pm

    Melky seems like he doesn’t care in Atlanta. But the Braves look like a sad bunch based on this series.

  241. Betsy - Hughes rules (pleading the Fifth) April 25th, 2010 at 9:20 pm

    Blake, Phailure is not an option for Phil. I will be satisphied if Phil pitches phairly well. He’s still developing – people haph to remember that.

    CR, it gives me shivers because it’s depressing, absolutely depressing. No matter what psychologists call it, I can’t find any reason to excuse those people.

  242. CR9 April 25th, 2010 at 9:21 pm

    Jeremy

    They are WORSE, and by a long shot.

    Sure, we’ve had some users. Though ARod, Giambi, and Clemens did not use as Yankees.

    But they are worse because they had their offenses covered up by the union of Bud Selig and George Mitchell.

    No matter how much Mitchell claims he was objective, he was not.

    And I’ve still been meaning to go to Mitchell’s wikipedia page and change it, because they took out any mention of him being director of the Red Sox on it.

  243. MTU (aka GBURL) April 25th, 2010 at 9:22 pm

    21) If the prism thru which you view life is cracked you won’t see clear.

    22) Once you get the monkey off your back it goes back to the trees for good.

    23) If you can count the the number of wing beats of a hummingbird
    when hovering you’ll make a good ballplayer.

    24) if you wait too long time will run out.

    25) And finally for all the yankee faithful “Non illegitimi carborundum”. :)

  244. Jeremy April 25th, 2010 at 9:23 pm

    Pat M
    I know I’m not perfect but last year this blog had more informative posters. Now we see racists, trolls, and just straight up crazy people posting here.

  245. Pat M April 25th, 2010 at 9:25 pm

    pat, yes ,getting under the ball is a part of short arming…..It’s like he’s pushing it up to the plate……Hope he doesn’t have a sore shoulder

  246. Jeremy April 25th, 2010 at 9:27 pm

    Cr9
    I’m a big Yankee fan but you can’t deny that Clemens and Giambi juiced with the Yankees. During the 2000 World Series you could tell that Roger was juiced out of his mind especially during the Piazza moment, but the Sox were just as bad like a lot of other teams.

  247. Jeremy April 25th, 2010 at 9:29 pm

    Now Arod most likely didn’t use while on the Yankees because he came in during 2004 but Giambi and Clemens did.

    And I think Piazza was a juicer as well.

  248. trisha - OPPC member who sees, hears, and knows all. 28 is on its way!!!!! April 25th, 2010 at 9:33 pm

    That’s it, Kitty Genovese. Let me tell you if I was at either place I would have ended up dead. I have a tendency to jump into situations when I see bad things happening. I was driving and saw two guys hitting each other and actually stopped the car and tried to get in the middle of them to stop them. Very stupid. The worst is when I see people beating on little kids and the little kids crying. It is absolutely none of my business but there’s something that takes over and I have to make it my business. Some day I am going to get slugged. One situation I will never forget happened a long time ago. I was on my lunch hour and was walking through the city and saw an old man lying on the ground. I didn’t know if he was dead or if he had a problem. So I stopped and tried shaking his shoulder. It turns out he was drunk, but I tried to help him up anyway and he started crying and wiped his tears on my hair and thanked me for helping him and said he had been lying there for a long time but nobody would help him up. I never forgot that day and also never forgot how important it is to look out for other people.

  249. trisha - OPPC member who sees, hears, and knows all. 28 is on its way!!!!! April 25th, 2010 at 9:36 pm

    26. We have the honor of rooting for the team that is the most storied franchise in the history of baseball. We should never let our disappointment in any temporary stumble overtake our appreciation of the privilege we’ve been given in being able to root for the New York Yankees.

  250. kur April 25th, 2010 at 10:32 pm

    FYI Yankees have 27 WS titles

  251. Drew April 25th, 2010 at 11:39 pm

    That guy posting under the JMK name is not the JMK from RAB. It’s just some sketchball posting under his name.

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