Yankees take first series loss
Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Misc on Apr 25, 2010 
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Javier Vazquez fell apart in the fourth inning, Damaso Marte unraveled in the seventh and the Yankees lost in Anaheim 8-4 this afternoon. It was their third loss in the past four days, and it gave them a series loss for the first time this season. Vazquez lasted only 3.2 innings, but the Yankees had pulled within a run before Marte allowed a three-run homer to Kendry Morales in the seventh.
Associated Press photo of Vazquez.
Horrible game all around.
ha
a real “CONFIDENCE BUILDER”
sj is a hoot
Hit Girl, unless you’re a fan of the Rays, I’m not quite sure what there is to laugh at New York about.
Another 3 run lead blown in Anaheim. What else is knew….
Twit girl go home…….
Erica
I was just playing around with you. You dont have to blame anybody you dont want to.
But if more energy was spent by sports on cleaning up the honesty and competency of the umpires, the Yankees would be even more successful than they already are
Carl, I don’t know about that. Robbie had a good game, especially so given that Kazmir tried to intimidate him. Jorge hit a HR. Ace got all 5 batters he faced. The two problems were Vazquez hasn ‘t gotten it together, and Marte was out of sorts, as Chad noted in last thread. But, as you imply, it was not a good game.
Ugly ugly ugly – they started scuffling a bit in Oakland and this series was just “not good”.
Girardi’s decision making is not making me happy as he’s got a ridiculously quick trigger finger, but he’s not the biggest problem. Javy has to get himself straightened out. Now, I would not take him out of the rotation, even after a few more starts like this; Wang was removed because he was giving up 7 or 8 runs without getting past the 1st or 2nd inning. Javy hasn’t been that bad and I do not want Mitre in the rotation (or Ace, but only because he’s so good out of the pen).
The good news: this was the last game the Yankees play in Anaheim in the regular season!
Baltimore series coming up!
Erin April 25th, 2010 at 6:42 pm
The good news: this was the last game the Yankees play in Anaheim in the regular season!
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That is the best news of the day!!!!
Carl April 25th, 2010 at 6:38 pm
Horrible game all around.
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I would say Robbie and Aceves had good games.
We actually facing some good pitching in Baltimore
Millwood, Guthrie, and Matzsu are all having good starts to their years. The problem is that they have gotten no run support.
12-6 is a great start, Yanks have played 12 road games already. Sox have played KC & O’s 3 times each (only 6 road games so far), Rays have played O’s SIX TIMES already!!!
It appears I was wrong about Marte as well. I thought that if he were healthy, he’d be very good. I’m assuming he is healthy, and so far he’s been really mediocre.
I won’t comment about the hitting except to say that Alex needs to find his power stroke soon and Tex needs to wake up.
Phil to save the day on Tuesday, in his own personal house of horrors, lol
Javy’s next start is at home against his former team and manager who called him out.
Ouch. And the fans are going to be even antsier than they were last time. He had better figure something out between now and then…
Today’s game is a perfect example of why starting pitching is so critical.
The best use of a bull pen is to have to use it as little as possible. Reliever as a whole are just inconsistent or have significant limitations. That’s why they wind up in the pen to begin with.
You have to have starting pitching that can give you length in you want to minimize the runs the other team is going to score.
Vazquez looks like he’s still throwing in spring training. His off speed stuff was ahead of his fastball all spring. You’d think that that was only temporary and that he’d build arm strength by the second start or so.
But that hasn’t been the case. Hopefully he’s not hurt. But his velocity just isn’t there and in turn he has no confidence in his fastball.
He’s trying to hide his fastball and you can’t do that in the major leagues and be successful unless you throw a knuckle ball.
The big question now is why is Vazquez’s velocity and fastball life diminished. That’s what the team needs to figure out.
Until they know what the cause of that is, it is very difficult to know what to do and how to fix this.
Damaso Marte’s WHIP with the Yankees: 1.415
David Robertson’s WHIP with the Yankees: 1.411
only thing worse than todays loss is how the quality of the posters on this board has gone down…filled with trolls and haters
Horrible pitched*** game all around sorry
I don’t think the Yankees are scared of or can’t play in Anaheim, but they come there usually near the end of a road trip; perhaps they’re tired? It could be flukey – they weren’t hitting coming into the series and their D had let them down. They got an ok start from AJ and a brilliant one from Andy, but Javy would have been a problem whether it was Anaheim or Seattle or KC or wherever. The same goes for Marte – I’m not worried about an Anaheim curse or anything, lol
right because the day needs saving…I forgot that a 3-3 west coast road trip is cataclysmic. if someone said before the season started that the Yankees would go 12-6 to start the year, given their schedule, I would have taken it. they’ve been on the road for 2/3 of the year. they won 2 of 3 in Oakland and had two tough losses in LA – a tough place to play for any team. I understand the loss leaves a bad taste, but I think this knee-jerk game reaction is a bit harsh
We got 3 hits today.
The offense has been erratic this entire road trip as has the bullpen. We’ve lost 3 of our last 4.
Thankfully we face Baltimore and that should wake us up.
Ledger_Yankees Girardi: “I screwed up.” #NYY
The trolls will disappear (except for one, apparently) now that the game is over.
I confused Betsy, isn’t Mitre’s ERA like 3.00 or slightly less? What is horrible about that?
Was it because I haven’t had my Puerto Rican meal to celebrate Javy’s win yet?
This isn’t any big deal.
You could argue that the Yanks have had the toughest schedule in the AL to start the season and they’ve managed to go 12-6 during that span.
I’ll take that every time against this schedule. Hell, I would have been satisfied with a 9-9 or 10-18 record.
The Angels are still tough, but there is no mental block against this team. Last September series in LA and the ALCS put the hammer to that nonsense.
12-6 to start the season with this schedule? I’m ecstatic.
Wow, someone has a hard time with sarcasm, lol.
If Javy is hurt and he’s not telling the Yankees, then he’s dumb. The only way the Yankees will be able to tell is if they decide to order tests for him no matter what he is saying.
As stupid and fatalistic as this may sound, I’d rather lose 8-4 than 5-4.
Yanks have 6 losses….3 by Javy……..
Giuseppe Franco- great post, I completely agree.
GF, I agree that the Yankees are not afraid to play in Anaheim……..and they aren’t afraid of the Angels, period (we already took 2/3 in NY).
Hard to believe the Yanks are 12 and 6. Tex has been awful, Johnson has stunk, Arod is having a power outage, Granderson has been just ok, and Vazquez has been equally awful. Couple that with Martre being below avg, Joba just ok and I’ll take 12 and 6. Cashmans off season moves look pretty bad now. Johnson can’t hold a candle to Matsui as a DH and is hurt again, we lost Melky and a very good prospect plus $11m to get Vazquez and he seems like the same old guy, and although Granderson is clearly an upgrade over Melky he hasn’t been great. But at 12 and 6 with virtually no No. 3 production and subpar clean up numbers for Arod all things considered things are ok.
Run support isn’t Baltimore’s problem. It’s their bullpen. Unfortunately for them, it’s the best way to give up games. They really should have won all three in beantown and would have but for their bullpen.
Marte’s appearance isn’t that surprising and isn’t that unexpected.
He’s a good left handed reliever. But good relievers are only so good. The vast majority of them have serious limitations – that’s why they are in the pen. They are pitchers with some kind of significant limitation or defect.
Marte has a very long arm action. That’s partly why LH hitters can have trouble with him.
But that long arm action gives him limited, inconsistent command.
Today was one of the days where he had no command and got trounced.
That’s partly why playing “match ups” based on handedness isn’t as straightforward as it looks if you look at “split statistics.”
z – I feel the same way.
Would’ve liked to have gotten the series win record.
Erin,
It would’ve been good to hear the context of that Girardi comment. Screwed up with the IBB call? Screwed up by not putting it back on at 3-1?
Doesn’t really matter. Javy wasn’t good. Thames’ D wasn’t good. The offense wasn’t good as far as hitting was concerned.
This one’s in the books, and the players have already forgotten it.
Our record vs. BAL during April/May
2009: 5-3 (lost 1 series)
2008: 4-5 (lost 2 series)
2007: 1-2 (didn’t face them a lot early on but lost our first 3 series to them).
They always play us tough early. Their offense is slumping but it is too good for them to continue to slump. Up to the pitchers to keep us in the game.
Vonda, I’m not a fan of Mitre, but more to the point, I really don’t want to have to remove Javy from the rotation.
m April 25th, 2010 at 6:53 pm
Would’ve liked to have gotten the series win record.
Erin,
It would’ve been good to hear the context of that Girardi comment. Screwed up with the IBB call? Screwed up by not putting it back on at 3-1?
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sorry m, that’s all the tweet said. I’m sure we’ll get the full quote later. Or he might have just been asked “What happened in the 7th?” and that was his reply. We shall see…
The Yankee offense hasn’t been too spectacular in Javy’s losses (10 runs total: 3, 3, and 4 today). The only win he had, they managed to score 7. Even had he pitched better in those 3 games, there is no guarantee the Yankees would have won.
Still, he has been pretty awful so far.
Was just reading through the game thread. Pretty gutless that people only show up when they are losing to complain. If all you have to contribute is complaining, no one else wants to hear it and it just ruins the game threads. Talk to your dog or something. He/she is probably more interested. It has gotten to the point where you can actually identify “regulars” that do this like Laura.
Also, JMK aka the Overshare, you are a regular at RAB. Pretty juvenile to come on here just to troll. Especially when your posts at RAB are usually nonsense and you have your own blog that is absolute garbage.
Overall, over the body of work, Girardi does a very good to excellent job of managing a bullpen; it is his strength. For some reason, we seem to be seeing a little too much changing up. But, one thing that has been constant over his 3 seasons is that April has been a weird month for relief pitchers for the Yankees. In prior years, there’s definitely been an over-exposure issue; this year, there’s some under-exposure.
I’m not gonna hang Girardi by his thumbs for trying to get his bullpen work. But today was not a good day – partly because he could ahve stuck with Aceves, but mainly because of the indecision that was evident in the at-bat where (was it Morales – I was eating dinner?) was starting to be IBB’d and then was pitched to.
Girardi better not put Thames the statue in the field again this season. If he wants to platoon him with Johnson at DH then fine but he costs them too many runs on defense. He has missed played a ball in every game he has played the field in. The misplay really cost them in that inning.
Last thing Javy is going to do is admit he is hurt.
The fanbase/media already think he is soft and can’t handle NY… he won’t want to make it appear like he is making an excuse for his performance. So he will try and pitch through it and hope it heals on its own
(assuming he is even hurt)
Girardi is not trying to show how smart he is; he is trying to spread the work around. Sometimes that’s good. Let’s face it, CC and Pettitte and AJ have been giving innings. Even Phil gave innings. When are these relief guys going to pitch? If they don’t pitch enough, they’re not sharp; if they pitch too much, they’re exposed. It’s a fine line.
This will work itself out. April seems to be a month for working things out.
And let’s look at it this way: In prior years, while the Yankees were working things out, they were at best .500. They are 6 or 7 game over .500 while still having things work themselves out. Perspective. Perspective.
I was not happy with the move to get Javy but was willing to believe that maybe he was a different pitcher from the time he was with the Yanks. He’s ours now and I support him totally.
Here is my thought. He starts our really good and then falls apart. So he obviously has the stuff, no? The thing to figure out is why he all of a sudden loses it. Does he spook himself? I didn’t get to watch today’s game until the end. Did he start to fall apart with runners on?
Of course I want to believe that they’ll figure out the answer.
Also, let no mistake be made here – Javy is an issue right now. I have faith he will turn it around, but it’s not going to be a picnic the next time he starts at the stadium.
“12-6 to start the season with this schedule? I’m ecstatic.”
GF-
That’s the big picture. They had a very difficult start to their season. They’ve played their toughest rivals and played on the road a great deal.
After April the yankees schedules is going to get easier because the opening month was so challenging.
Mark Teixeira has been one of the worst starting position players in all of baseball. Same thing for Nick Johnson. Despite that they are 12-6. That’s not going to last.
And when it does the offense is really going to take off.
They’ve played great baseball despite the schedule and several key players not playing up to the back of their baseball cards.
That will happen and this team is going to go on a huge roll for a long time, much like they did last season.
The one real concern is the possibility of Vazquez’s velocity being due to an injury.
vazquez IS soft
he proved it in 04 and he’s proving it again now
Also, the Yankees offense disappeared after the 3rd inning. Or was it the second? They let Kazmir off the hook.
I agree, CB. I think we’re fine with CC, AJ and Andy and in relatively good shape with Phil. I think Joe struggles with the pen (as far as making weird moves) when he has to get 4 or 5 innings from these guys; he does seem to have a trigger finger. When we get 6 or 7 innings from our pitchers, it’s relatively easy for him : D-Rob, Joba, Mo. The Ace thing was disappointing because there is a day off tomorrow. If we were playing and Joe wanted to hold him out for Phil, then maybe I could possibly understand it.
On a positive note, Logan looks like a real find.
Marte grooving a 3-0 fastball was one of the stupidiest I have seen in a long time. He has to use his brain and be smarter in that situation. Why not just throw it under hand.
# Doreen – GTLU Standings & Rules April 25th, 2010 at 6:59 pm
Also, the Yankees offense disappeared after the 3rd inning. Or was it the second? They let Kazmir off the hook.
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It was after the 2nd. They managed just one hit after that (I think), Robbie’s HR.
They only had 3 hits for the whole game.
LOL Girardi admits he screwed up with Marte & Morales
I’ll take that every time against this schedule. Hell, I would have been satisfied with a 9-9 or 10-18 record.
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Obviously, that’s supposed to be a 10-8 record.
Doreen,
Absolutely agree with your 6:58 post.
And people (including the writers) need to stop assuming that everyone is holding 2004 against Javy.
Any concern about Javy from me has nothing to do with 2004 and everything to do with 2010.
I think we’ll have to grin and bear it. That’s Girardi’s m.o., but they’re going to have to address the problem.
The game was excruciatingly slow when Javy was on the mound. It would also seem that he was pitching scared. Can’t do that.
Doreen, I still completely disagree with taking D-Rob and Ace out. Maybe Joe wasn’t trying to show off his brains ( I was being somewhat facetious there), but I also don’t buy that he took them out to get Joba/Marte work.
Go read comments from the game threads prior to putting Hughes in the pen last year. Girardi was getting hammered everytime a move didn’t work out, much like he is now.
Fact is, until one of these guys establishes himself as the “go-to” 8th inning reliever, the pen will continue to be inconsistent. Much easier to mix and match if you have a guy who can lock down the 8th (or even 7th and 8th) like Hughes last year. Again, remember what the pen looked like and what the perception was before Hughes got there.
Now, most pens don’t have a Hughes or Joba (2007-2008) and almost every team, including Boston and the Rays have to go through exactly what we go through – having no idea what to expect when anyone comes in.
@Nick in SF -
What???
You were supposed to eat to celebrate Javy’s last win! We trusted yout to TCB! You have fallen at the post!!!
I don’t know how you fix Javy. He said that he didn’t like to be booed. Instead of manning up, he breaks down and cries to the reporters. He is a broken man.
trisha,
javy was hanging on a thread from his first pitch of the game.
he is trying to trick hitters out because his stuff is dead.
he is constantly pacing around the mound, much like joba last year, and looks just as lost.
his delivery looks out of whack, like he’s pushing the ball instead of throwing it.
but, as many bloggers noted, the most troubling thing about him is the glass jaw.
he’s got no fight. deer in the headlights.
remember andy grinding it vs. texas last week with basically no stuff?
javy is the opposite. he is week, and that’s why he’ll get booed off the mound at YS.
Ledger_Yankees Girardi took off intentional walk, then changed mind on bringing Robertson in. #NYY
Thames is giving away more runs than he drives in
cant wait until the next vazquez start
The Yankees have been on the road an awful lot and against good teams, too. They will love to get home and they will start cooking offensively sooner or later………
I don’t get the complaints about the team not showing “magic” like they did last year; that is the last thing I’d be worried about.
Javy needs to be honest with the Yankees about how he is feeling…
Michelle April 25th, 2010 at 7:01 pm
Marte grooving a 3-0 fastball was one of the stupidiest I have seen in a long time. He has to use his brain and be smarter in that situation. Why not just throw it under hand.
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It made it even worse when the manager was telling them he will swing on 3-0.
“he’s got no fight. deer in the headlights.”
Sounds like a typical Cashman trade.
“The thing to figure out is why he all of a sudden loses it. Does he spook himself? I didn’t get to watch today’s game until the end. Did he start to fall apart with runners on?”
he gets nervous and chokes
dont overanalyze it
we’ve seen his act before
Thank you for your optimism, Giuseppe Franco. Very refreshing.
CB,
You’re right. The only concern I’d have with this team is Vazquez and whether he’s healthy or not.
If he is healthy, then I’m giddy. This was an extremely tough schedule to start and the guys who are struggling have long track records of success.
The guys who are struggling will come out of it, including Vazquez and Johnson, as long as they are healthy.
So we go home (Camden Yards is home) 12-6?
And we get to feast on the 3-16 Orioles? Then the offensely challenged White Sox? Then the 3-16 Orioles again?
Get ready for another long string of good baseball over the next 9 days…
The only time Marte should be pitching against a good right handed hitter is when it’s a blow out game. Otherwise it should never happen. He stinks against righties.
“”"we’ve seen his act before”"”"
It’s nice that our general manager is sentimental and believes in redemption. It has worked in the past for great players (Strawberry, Boggs, Gooden), but 2004 was the nail in the coffin.
The bull pen really isn’t an issue. This was just one of those games that a bull pen is going to have when a starter doesn’t give them length.
They have arguably the best bull pen in the AL. It’s one of the top 3.
Girardi’s comment to Susan in the post game about Javy were on the mark. Javy’s problems right now are mechanical. He simply is not staying on top of the ball at all. It is glaringly obvious when you watch the game. It’s just immediate clear. It’s why you knew even in the first inning if he didn’t make a mechanical adjustment he was going to get hammered. It was inevitable.
His mechanics were very poor today. A real step back from last start – and they weren’t great from last start.
If he doesn’t stay on top of the ball he is not going to be effective. It’s really as simple as that.
The thing that is concerning and odd is that Girardi and Eiland keep saying Vazquez looks good in the bull pen for his warm ups. He stays on top. And then doesn’t take those mechanics out into the game.
@Doreen; I’m not proud.
But I did make it clear to the baseball gods that I wouldn’t be able to have that PR meal to honor Javy until I was up in San Rafael. Do I need to make a special trip before Javy’s next start??????
Ledger_Yankees Vazquez says he’s embarassed. #NYY
I’m imagining what the comments on a Cleveland Indians blog must have looked like in mid-April, 2008:
“Sabathia is DONE. He has nothing left.”
“0-3 with a 13.5 ERA???? I wonder when Wedge is going to make Betancourt into our 5th starter?”
“I can’t wait til we trade this guy.”
Vazquez says he’s embarassed. #NYY
3 minutes ago via TweetDeck In 8-4 defeat to Angels, Yankees look lost http://bit.ly/d6R1ap
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Nick in SF April 25th, 2010 at 7:09 pm
But I did make it clear to the baseball gods that I wouldn’t be able to have that PR meal to honor Javy until I was up in San Rafael. Do I need to make a special trip before Javy’s next start??????
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IMO, yes!!!!
The Yankees have only played 6 games at home where they dominate
They have faced the best pitching staffs in the AL… Redsox, Rays, Angels twice & Oakland
This offense will heat up real quick when they start facing the #3, #4 and #5 starters of the Indians, Tigers, Royals, Orioles, Blue Jays ect.
“”"”So we go home (Camden Yards is home) 12-6?
And we get to feast on the 3-16 Orioles? Then the offensely challenged White Sox? Then the 3-16 Orioles again?
Get ready for another long string of good baseball over the next 9 days…”"”"
The filler brigade (NJ, JV, CG) are going to play like all stars for at least 9 days hoorray!!!!
Some pitchers just can’t pitch in the AL.
Look at what Vazquez did with the White Sox. He had one good year with a 3.74 ERA and the other 2 years he had ERAs of 4.67 and 4.84. Both would make him below average.
And how ironic that he had the best year of his AL career in 2007 when the W. Sox lost 100 games. Yet when they went to the playoffs in 08 and were in playoff contention till the final 2 weeks in 06, he had his worst 2 years.
I don’t care what he did in the AAA NL. We’ve seen guys every year dominate there, get rocked in the AL, and go back to the NL and look like world beaters. It is a completely different animal.
I guess there’s only so much a pitching coach can do. I’m sure Eiland is preaching to Javy, but Javy isn’t executing. He’s thrown 200 innings for the vast majority of his career, so his delivery can’t be too complicated or non-repeatable. Strange.
You have to respect a manager who admits to his mistakes. Girardi was not shy about saying he screwed up. Small consolation, maybe, but I think it’s a good thing.
Betsy -
I do agree that DRob and Aceves could have been kept in. But I think it’s a fine line that a manager walks with trying to get the best out of all his guys.
Javier Vazquez is actually Spanish for “fell apart”.
CB,
There was another pitcher last season who looked great in the bullpen, but didn’t take it into games…Taiwanese player? Good guy, what was his name?
Atleast Girardi knows he made a mistake with Marte. Girardi is weird when it comes to leaving a guy in too long or only allowing certains ones to only throw 6 pitches. It would be nice if he knew his bullpen better.
I don’t want throw cold water on Tampa but they’ve played the Orioles, Toronto and Sox who don’t look very good. They’re a very good team and will be there all year. Bias, but I’m more impressed with the Yankees start than the Rays. The Orioles will be the first terrible baseball team the Yankees will play.
Vazquez will be fine…
He just has no confidence in his fastball right now, he needs to get back his 90-94 mph heat.
so vazquez can stay on top of the ball in the NL and in the bullpen before he starts for the yanks?
get it through your heads
he crumbles pitching for the yanks
trainwrecks are interesting, and this is a trainwreck
Melkman,
We are going to win inspite of them this year, not because of them. Different story come playoff time though – last year was all about big hits. Who knows if we can replicate that without Damon and Matsui.
It’s early, but Cashman has to be extremely nervous about how he is going to be viewed if this Vazquez and NJ experiment blow up in his face.
Nick-
Love Big Sur. What a great place to catch a show. You’re a son of good fortune… or something like that.
However, no Puerto Rican food after your blood oath here? A pox on your outdoor house of melody!
“Some pitchers just can’t pitch in the AL.”
Vasquez WHIP:
AL – 1.267
NL – 1.236
Vasquez ERA+
AL – 110
NL – 102
Vasquez K/9
AL – 8.1
NL – 8.1
Vasquez winning percentage:
AL – .525
NL – .492
The thing that is concerning and odd is that Girardi and Eiland keep saying Vazquez looks good in the bull pen for his warm ups. He stays on top. And then doesn’t take those mechanics out into the game.
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Isn’t that what they said about Joba last year?
Bottom line:
The Yankees could be 35-6. But after a loss, everyone on here is scrambling for answers.
Why? How could they lose a game?
As soon as the Yanks go on a winning streak, and odds are it will be soon, nobody is going to remember that the Yankees were a paltry 12-6 instead of 13-5.
Joe was on the post game and took responsibility for letting Marte pitch to Kendricks, instead of ‘going with my first instinct” and going to Robertson.
Refreshing to hear a manager take responsibility for a decision that didn’t work. I wonder how many would do that.
Nice to read some intelligent conversation here now that the game’s over. Too bad it’s a loss.
I really think Vazquez will get it together. His track record is too good not too think that. But it is frustrating. Maybe he just needs to throw his FB more, regardless.
Javy making no excuses.
Have to respect that, no?
I mean, it doesn’t change anything, but it allows you to see that it means a lot to this guy.
Javier is going to keep throwing duds until Nick in SF lives up to his promise and feasts on PR cuisine.
OK, I will try to get up to San Rafael before Javy’s start next Saturday… in the event that I don’t make it…. um… well, I’ll try to make it.
This has nothing to do with the AL/NL.
If he was pitching like this in the NL he would still be getting punished.
This board is fast becoming untenable, and if the people running this thing don’t start controlling these idiotic trolls and clowns like this CR9, that’s just about all they’re going to have on here. They are not Yankee fans and all have one goal and the operators are allowing it. Screw this place until it’s fixed.
m-
Don’t remind me. That was the first thing I thought about as well.
I don’t know what’s going on. The problem however is glaringly obvious and has been all season.
I don’t know why he’s having this problem staying closed and on top.
He threw pitches today that looked like he shot put them. He’s just pushing the ball to the plate rather than throwing it.
It’s funny but one of the pitches that really got me worried that a disaster was eminent was the pitch he struck Wood out on. That was such an awful and horrendously thrown pitch. Javy not only shot put to home plate but you could see his shoulder slide and buckle under his arm as he did it.
And I still can’t believe Wood actually swung at that pitch. Not a good indicator for his future success.
Javy and the yankees know what the problem is. It’s up to him to fix it inside of game action.
Javy seems like a good guy. I’m pulling for him. Was it just me or did it seem like Marte was blaming Cisco for the HR?
I don’t expect great things from Javy this year, he was more or less an insurance policy for the back end of the rotation. If he wins 10-12 games with an era under 4.5, what more can we ask for. The best thing is for Hughes to keep up his development, so Javy becomes the 5th starter.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v.....eature=fvw
Don’t know if this was posted during all the Mantle talk last night. Here is colored home video of the Yanks and Detroit playing at Briggs Stadium on August 4th, 1956. Mantle hits 2 bombs.
Doreen – GTLU Standings & Rules April 25th, 2010 at 7:16 pm
Javy making no excuses.
Have to respect that, no?
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Doreen, I know I do-both him and Girardi.
NYY626 – Go Andy! April 25th, 2010 at 7:19 pm
Javy seems like a good guy. I’m pulling for him. Was it just me or did it seem like Marte was blaming Cisco for the HR?
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I didn’t notice-did he really? If so,
@Nick in SF -
Yes, you were forthcoming with the limitations to your promise to eat for Javy. However, yes, you had better make a special trip before his next start. It’s mandatory now.
@ CB – Is Javy’s issue something that can be worked on in his bullpens? I guess that’s really the only opportunity they have to fix things, right? And in ST, Javy didn’t seem to be having these problems.
I dont really think Girardi made any really bad bullpen decisions. I mean if he intentional walked Morales and let Robertson face Rivera with the bases loaded . That is a pretty unconventional move when you have runners on 1st and 2nd. Morales is also a weaker hitter from the right side. Marte cant throw a meatball right down the middle on a 3-0 count when the bench is warning you he will swing on 3-0.
NYY626 – Go Andy!
I would like to see Logan step up as a second lefty option, and keep Marte fresh, and in a specialist role. Facing five batters is too much Marte. If he can’t get the tough lefty out yank him.
Yeah, a loss like today really demands a scape goat.
When in doubt, blame the West Coast.
Damn you Man in San Fran!
You have angered the gods of Arroz con Pollo!! And until you make the sacrifice of indigestion no more wins for Javy!
Hey what do you know, Cisco was behind the plate and the pitching staff crapped the bed. That’s to all you Posada bashers out there. The pitchers control the game not the other way around.
Wow, now that CB has basically condemned me to a painful death of twisted metal and salty ocean water off the treacherous Highway 1 if I don’t eat my promised meal, I’ll try even harder to make it to Sol Food in San Rafael before Javy pitches in front of the patient and understanding fan base in the Bronx next weekend.
I just hope I don’t encounter a sign like this on the way to Big Sur:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/9.....451651434/
Erin April 25th, 2010 at 7:21 pm
NYY626 – Go Andy! April 25th, 2010 at 7:19 pm
Javy seems like a good guy. I’m pulling for him. Was it just me or did it seem like Marte was blaming Cisco for the HR?
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I didn’t notice-did he really? If so,
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He kept saying I just throw the ball to “the catcher” and i did what “the catcher” said. Maybe im just reading it wrong though…
Nick,
Never mind driving over the bridge.
Go here. Go now. Go tomorrow. Go everyday until Sat.
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Funny how after 12 years in the big leagues ate age 34, his mechanics become out of whack. Is it nervousness that is causing it?
At least Wang was coming off an injury so he had an excuse.
With one of the more difficult schedules to begin the season, Im happy with 6 games over.
As the season progresses, Joe G will once again use the bullpen better.
The best part about this series is, we dont have to see that stadium again, and only have 6 more games in that dump Fenway Field.
How about Vazquez and Winn & a little cash straight up for MELKY? Vaz has nothing. His fastball has very little and you can’t beat AL teams with what he’s got!
I didn’t get that Marte was “blaming” Cisco so much as simply saying he throws what the catcher says to throw. (But he sure didn’t locate it well, did he??)
“Joe was on the post game and took responsibility for letting Marte pitch to Kendricks, instead of ‘going with my first instinct” and going to Robertson.
Refreshing to hear a manager take responsibility for a decision that didn’t work. I wonder how many would do that. ”
Girardi is always great on issues like that. He’s a no nonsense guy and after his first year managing he really started being more direct with the media. It was a big step in his growth as a manager.
The bull pen usage and performance was really bad. But that’s not why they lost the game.
Focusing on the bull pen is a distraction. That’s not to say that the decision making, strategy or execution were positives, but they weren’t the story of this game.
Javy’s mechanical problems were. They need to get him fixed.
Marte is 100% right. The catcher is the one who calls the game and tells the pitcher what to throw and where to throw it… its the pitcher who throws whatever is called for.
If Cervelli called that 3-0 meatball to Morales, then he SHOULD be blamed. Nothing Marte implied was incorrect…
So the only time he throws it where Cervelli wants…lol nm
Yanks 127,
Last year Joba was mess thoughout the year, Burnett had his mechanics issues, CC was a mess in April, Hughes had problems at the end of the year….. it happens to all of them.
“Let’s see, it’s close-and-late. I think I’ll pitch to Kendry Morales.”:
http://www.hulu.com/watch/1031.....idea-jeans
I am with you GB. I could not stay in here during the game. It just was too much insanity. Chad, Sam something really needs to be done. In the long run, you are going to lose readers if this keeps up. And we like it here..
I think Javy will be fine as well; I just don’t buy that he can’t pitch in the AL or that he’s soft.
Joe, I agree – it IS refreshing to see a manager admit his mistakes instead of making excuses and getting defensive.
JK -
All that, and they ended up winning the most games in both leagues and the WS. How’d they do it????
BTW, here is JMK aka the Overshare’s blog. If all the trolls want to go over there that would be great.
http://mystiqueandaura.com/
Watching the piece of garbage Javy pitch like crap every five days boils my blood like one could not believe. I love this team and I love the way everyone has been playing EXCEPT for this piece of trash. Trying to be supportive of his 88MPH straight fastball has become very difficult to do considering he is a pathetic excuse for a starting pitcher… I am getting fed up of watching him and his inability to pitch in New York… or anywhere for that matter. If Javy disappeared forever from baseball or from this planet I would not lose any sleep whatsoever. Can’t watch this guy… its an aoutomatic tally in the ‘L’ Column everytime he toes the rubber…
GB & Bronx Born
I’m happy I had dinner duty during the worst part of this game, and I did not go back to read what I’d missed!
So does Javy get to go to the White house too?
The only thing I know about JMK is he doesn’t like Asians.
Bronx Jeers, thanks for the recommendation. That place is under 15 minutes away, maybe I’ll give it a try. Or maybe I’ll dine at both places before next Saturday… I’m actually going up to Marin for dinner tonight, but not to Sol. Yikes, I shouldn’t have admitted that.
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Why don’t you go and volunteer to pitch in Javy’s place, then?
That was great footage from the Yanks/Tigers game in ‘56.
The editor(s) used the music from the Band of Brothers HBO series and, of course, The Natural.
The Mick was something else. I’ve always been fascinated by his ridiculous talent.
New Post: About the Morales at-bat
I have a question for you Melkman. Did you register for this site just so you could relentlessly complain about Cashman’s offseason moves? Why are you here?
Go away.
Patrick, that’s BS. If Marte said that, then just wow. He’s the pitcher, he’s got the ball in his hand, it’s in his control. Phil shook Jorge off many times in his last start and I’m sure other pitchers have done it as well. Marte should throw what he’s comfortable throwing. Now, maybe Marte’s English isn’t that great, but just on the face of it, I could see how one could interpret his comments as throwing Frankie under the bus.
I think you have to wait quite awhile on Javy before thinking about making a change and pulling him from the rotation. The track record is too long and the rerward too high if he’s able to right the ship.
He’s just not repeating his delivery. One fastball will be on top, 91 Mph, with some movement and the next will be 86 up in the zone and flat. At this point in the season it is starting to be bothersome because you would think he would be making adjustments and ironing it out. You can’t pitch off of off speed stuff in the AL and you can’t be afraid of your fastbll.
I just hope the reasoning behind the decreased velocity and inability to stay on top consistently really is mechanical and not because his shoulder hurts.
Where did you see that GF?
“Vaz has nothing. His fastball has very little and you can’t beat AL teams with what he’s got!”
AL WHIP:
Sabathia – 1.244
Vasquez – 1.267
Burnett – 1.321
Pettitte – 1.386
Next Friday is going to be brutal
A pitcher without a decent fastball and struggling mechanics… facing his former team and manager who insulted him…. and undoubtedly he is going to be amped up to stick it to Ozzie. Oh, he’s going to have the fickle fans who want blood as his back drop and will boo him if he even gives up a base hit.
Bad combination.
Don’t forget what Ozzie said about Vaz,” He’s got no Heart.” I AGREE HE JUST DOES NOT PITCH AGGRESSIVELY. He pitches with fear of contact.
Why do we want Melky back ? The guy is doing nothing in Atlanta. I could understand you saying that we bring back Matsui or Damon if the Angels or Tigers fall out of the race but Melky ???
Girardi’s issue when it comes to the bullpen is that he underestimates the importance of the known quantity. Aceves was pitching well today, which is undisputed. That was the known quantity. When Girardi walked out to the mound to replace him, he was rolling the dice. Any time you bring a new pitcher into the game there is a real possibility that he will stink up the joint. Girardi was willing to trade the known quantity – Aceves is pitching well – for a little bit of strategic gamesmanship with a lefty on lefty matchup. Without of course knowing if the lefty he was bringing in would be any good today. The rest is history – Marte had absolutely no command and gave up 3 runs within minutes.
We have seen this time and time again with Girardi. He takes out a pitcher who is doing well in order to get a better matchup on paper, but not taking into account the fact that the new pitcher might simply not have any stuff on that given day. I love that Girardi seems to take a more scientific approach to decision making than your traditional manager – but at some point he does need to give some sort of weight to what knows (the quality of stuff of his current pitcher) over what he doesn’t.
“Don’t forget what Ozzie said about Vaz,” He’s got no Heart.””
Ozzie also called Swisher a whiner and complainer. Since when does Ozzie’s opinion mean anything?
The NY Yankees are 12-6 after a very difficult opening schedule. They now play Baltimore and then get a home stand. I think they are in very good shape. Between Joe G and Dave Eiland, they should be able to figure out what is the problem with Javy. I still like our starting rotation very much. As for offense, as the calendar turns, you know that Tex will get going and it’s starting to look like this is the year that Cano becomes a major force. All in all, I must say, a great start!!
GB, CR9 is a Yankee fan.
BD I think you know that I don’t worry about losses. I am trying to figure out why Javy starts out good and falls apart. (I bet Javy’s trying to figure it out too!)
“Hey what do you know, Cisco was behind the plate and the pitching staff crapped the bed. That?s to all you Posada bashers out there. The pitchers control the game not the other way around.”
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If you listened to Marte on the postgame, it isn’t always the pitcher who’s in contol of the game…
Marte threw Cervelli under the bus. But if that’s the way he sees it, I guess it’s better that he tells it than plays a martyr role.
And people (including the writers) need to stop assuming that everyone is holding 2004 against Javy.
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I don’t think a lot of people are, but there *have* been quite a few comments on here stating/implying just that. So I don’t think when they say that they’re basing it on assumptions. It has actually been said by some fans.