Schilling says Vazquez won’t thrive in AL
Posted by: Sam Borden - Posted in Misc on Apr 27, 2010 
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In what could hardly be called any sort of surprise, Curt Schilling has a) taken a TV/radio gig where he’s now being paid to open his mouth; and b) he’s made some news by criticizing someone, specifically Javy Vazquez in a recent ESPN Radio interview.
Among other things, Schilling said Vazquez was a “phenomenal National League pitcher” who won’t cut it in the AL. “I never, ever thought the move to New York the first time was a good one, and I didn’t think this (move) was good as well. I don’t think he suddenly learned how to pitch when he went back to Atlanta and dealt last year,” Schilling said. “It’s hard to say this without sounding disrespectful, and I don’t mean it that way – the National League is an easier league to pitch in, period, and some guys aren’t equipped to get those same outs in the American League. And he’s one of those guys.”
Obviously Vazquez’s stock in New York isn’t at its highest right now, but I’m not in the group that believes he’s got no chance to thrive. If you look at his numbers from 2000-09, this is a guy who had a 113 ERA+, averaged 8.3 strikeouts per nine and 216 innings a season. To me, that’s a long enough track record that he gets some time to settle in.
The one alarming trend in Vazquez’s outings this year has been the few miles missing on his fastball. He’s not a guy who has had control problems in the past, so that aspect is something that can be fairly passed over, but the lack of aggressiveness with the fastball is worth watching. Vazquez says he’s healthy, which means there’s a mechanical issue at work; how quickly he gets it resolved will be critical. And I think he will.
Am I surprised that people are ready to cut bait on Vazquez? Hardly. Just like I’m not surprised that Schilling has opened his mouth yet again.
Schilling is right on the money with this one, as much as it pains me to say it.
This just in, Schilling did not thrive in the AL.
I can’t help but think karma came into play in a very cruel way for Alex Rodriguez during the WH meeting with President Obama.
Once upon a time, Alex slighted Derek Jeter and called himself a better “leader” than the Captain. Alex has always envied Derek Jeter.
Boras and Arod wanted the new stadium to be forever remembered as the “House that Arod Built”. Arod was supposed to achieve Babe Ruth status and break the all time HR record as a clean player unlike Bonds.
Boras and Arod raped the Yankees for that 300 million dollar abomination of a contract by exploiting that now empty pursuit.
The fact is Alex Rodriguez cheated.
If you want real glory, you can’t cheat.
You can’t lie.
If you want to be remembered as a leader, you have to set a good example.
Alex bashed a true leader, cheated, lied and extorted money from the Yankees.
The new stadium is the “House that Jeter Built”.
Arod was probably secretly wishing for some pardon from the President in the form of acknowledgment for his postseason performance, a performance that Jeter has repeated 10 times in the past as the leader of the NYY and face of the franchise.
Karmic justice that Arod, an unabashed Republican like Curt Schilling, someone who cried about discrimination against him based on the fact that he’s “biracial”, is there standing right next to Derek Jeter, a biracial athlete. Then the biracial President, the most powerful man in the world, also a Democrat, points towards Derek and gives him the spotlight as a true Yankee.
Arod’s destiny seems like it was never meant to be.
Signed,
The Master
Ok, he said his piece……..does anyone care?
I feel very badly for Javy – everyone and his cousin is piling on him after a measly 4 starts.
I hate Curt Schilling. lol
Let’s see Schilling analyze why Beckett has been so bad; maybe Beckett developed a loser gene or maybe he just can’t hack it in Boston anymore. :rolleyes:
When Curt Schilling opens his mouth I expect either words to vomit forth or hotdogs to enter post haste
I have a feeling a lot of people’s responses to Schilling will not make it through the filter on here.
Why can’t I get paid to get on TV and say stupid things like judging a proven successful pitcher after 4 starts? I’d quit my day job in a minute!
I know one instance when Schilling didn’t “thrive” in AL East competition.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v.....re=related
Someone needs to shove a bloody sock in his mouth.
Schilling is the opposite of EF Hutton.
When Schilling talks nobody listens.
His opinion is worth the exact amount of his name.
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schilling also said this
Curt Schilling: A-Rod’s no Mr. October
By Adam Rubin
Daily News Sports Writer
Friday, September 25th 2009, 4:00 AM
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KANSAS CITY – Curt Schilling retired from the Red Sox in March, but he’s still throwing high and tight. The former ace went after Alex Rodriguez Thursday in an interview on WEEI-850 radio in Boston.
Asked if A-Rod is psyched out about his October struggles continuing, Schilling replied, “I would argue that’s already started – you know my response – when they clinched.”
In the Yankees’ last three postseason appearances – all first-round losses – the slugger has fallen flat. In 2007, he hit .267 with one RBI in four games; in 2006, he hit .071 with no RBI and in 2005, he batted .133 with no RBI.
“His problem has always been that he’s a guy with holes and you can pitch to those holes,” Schilling said. “For a guy that’s as good as he is, he still strikes out a lot. Guys who strike out a lot tend to have a tough time in October.”
from baseballevolution
Curt Schilling spent 13 seasons in the NL with Houston, Philadelphia, and Arizona, plus seven seasons in the AL with Baltimore and Boston. This comes with a caveat, as the meat of his career was spent in the NL, and his time in the AL came before and after his prime, but his NL ERA was 3.30, and his AL ERA was 4.00.
NYY626-I just saw a tweet from Feinsand that said that the SI issue is available tomorrow!!!
I stopped caring right around the “Schilling says….” point of this post. So, to recap, right away. Hey shocker of shockers, Curt Schilling has an opinion he’d like to share with you!
Awesome work teddy gbu!!!!!!
ron -
Thanks for the heads-up on the White House video.
A dead fish washed up on beach has more value than a Curt Schillmeister opinion.
Master Wangkee
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Hmmm, wow, So exactly how long have you secretly envied Arod? We all know what opinions are worth!
Andrew April 27th, 2010 at 11:10 am
I stopped caring right around the ?Schilling says?.? point of this post.
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I listened to the interview yesterday with Cowherd..he contradicted himself throughout.
He said the league is responsibile for Javys struggles but then turned around and said he could throw a one hitter any given night with his stuff.
Schilling is a typical guy who gives an opinion just because he can give one.
BloggingBombers Jon Lester is 0-2 with a 6.23 ERA. Do you think Red Sox fans hate him the way Yankees fans seem to hate Vazquez?
thanks for the SI info Erin.
Why doesn’t Schilling worry about his own team, you know the team that paid him for that year he couldn’t pitch.
upstate kate April 27th, 2010 at 11:12 am
thanks for the SI info Erin.
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No problem
Bloody Sockula should just keep his piehole zipped tight.
Eh, more Schilling being Schilling. (could the Red Sox come up with a better way to describe their players?? i doubt it.)
Thanks for the sober & rational take, Sam. I’m sorry to say that most Yankee fans won’t want to wrap their brains around it.
Actually, Sox fans on one board at least were really upset with Lester; one idiot even asked if the cancer was back.
Vasquez has a lifetime won-loss record of 143-142 coming into this season. In his 4 years in the AL he is 52-46 and in the NL 90-93. He was 14-10 in his one year with the Yankees. He is basically a .500 W/L innings eater and has been essentially the identical pitcher in both leagues.
Erin April 27th, 2010 at 11:08 am
NYY626-I just saw a tweet from Feinsand that said that the SI issue is available tomorrow!!!
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Awesome! Thanks for the info
Betsy-
“Sox fans on one board at least were really upset with Lester; one idiot even asked if the cancer was back.”
Lester is too good for that pack of Mongrels.
(This excludes Dennis and Ray of course).
rodg12
y/w
Where is the same concern about Joba’s missing velocity? We wouldn’t even be talking about Vazquez if Joba was the stud he used to be.
if anyone can get yankee fans back on javy’s side, it is curt schilling.
Great to see that home run by Jeter again. I remember watching that game live, where Jeter kept fouling off pitches and Varitek visited the mound about three times.
The camera even caught Jeter giving a “what can you guys possibly have to talk about now” smirk.
It was basically Schilling knowing he couldn’t get Jeter out before he gave up the tater.
Great moment for any Schilling loather.
# rover April 27th, 2010 at 11:10 am
Master Wangkee
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Hmmm, wow, So exactly how long have you secretly envied Arod? We all know what opinions are worth!
Weak sauce.
Curt Schilling should have done the world a favor and choked on his bloody sock
Curt Schilling needs to learn that silence is golden.
In his case, It’s Platinum.
MTU, I’m sure most Sox fans weren’t like that; like with Yankee fans, there are some terrible Sox fans……no normal person would make a comment like that
Actually, Sox fans on one board at least were really upset with Lester; one idiot even asked if the cancer was back.
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We can only hope.
We should all thank Schilling (does he live up to his name or what). He will united Yankee fans as never before. We have to have Javy’s back now!
Betsy-
“no normal person would make a comment like that”
The key operative word being “normal”.
Schiling is a clown. Did he forget that Vasquez played for the White Sox for four years? He wasn’t tremendous, but was certainly above average. Last I checked the White Sox played in the AL.
tex’s friend April 27th, 2010 at 11:20 am
if anyone can get yankee fans back on javy?s side, it is curt schilling.
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LOL
Very true!
I think Schilling is doing Javy and Yankee fans a favor here. If this comment of his gets blown up, it’ll be a rallying cry to support a guy who is an excellent pitcher against that loudmouth bloated blowhard ketchup on his sock wearing (have I missed anything?) Schilling.
It’s 4 starts. He’s been horrid, no doubt about it, but the guy is a great pitcher. He’s either going through an adjustment period or he’s injured.
This isn’t Ed Whitson. Whitson used to look like he was Scooby and Shaggy in a haunted mansion on the mound.
Schilling should worry about his own team ! .
blake April 27th, 2010 at 11:03 am
I hope so too. Javy is a great guy & I hope he does well.
ray (sox fan) April 27th, 2010 at 10:53 am
If it weren?t for the great defense Toronto would have scored 20 runs.
Schilling is a person who likes to hear himself! He doesn’t really listen, but boy can he talk. Kind of a scatter gun approach, of if you say enough things some of it will be important or right.
No one should have needed a buffoon like SchillPill to get them to have supported JV during his struggles.
But hey, whatever works. I’m practical.
There is nothing to unite Yankee fans like shared Schilling hatred
Schilling in an idiot. the same guy who went on TV screaming and yelling at how can they trust the owners to administer the drug tests because the players could not trust them to get it right…when it was later revealed that the p[layers chose the company to conduct the testing and not the owners, he only said, i did no know that? Shut the heck up you moron! His I never thought it was a good signing the first time is pretty idiotic when you realize he made the All Star team before hurting himself. I think Schilling is wrong about everything he thinks
I think Javy hate is greater than Schilling hate – and who knows if the majority of Yankee fans even know what he said? If they do, they probably agree.
“It’s 4 starts. He’s been horrid, no doubt about it, but the guy is a great pitcher.”
No he’s not. He’s definitely not Ed Whitson, but he also isn’t in the same area code as “great”. He had a great 2009, but as a pitcher in the AL he’s good, topping out occasionally at very good.
Erica-
“There is nothing to unite Yankee fans like shared Schilling hatred”
Or a whiny Pukelis
A Putrid Papelsmear
or a Pipsqueak Pedroia.
MTU (aka GBURL) April 27th, 2010 at 11:30 am
No one should have needed a buffoon like SchillPill to get them to have supported JV during his struggles.
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I agree, but if it makes people finally get behind Javy I’m all for it.
Good Morning Betsy!! Unfortunately I have to agree with you on that statement about Schilling hate & Javy hate!
I think the thing that confuses me most is people being surprised that every season Yankee fans have certain players they villify. I mean, the baseball season is essentially a 162 game soap opera with better dialogue (at least on Michael Kays off days..). Its entertainment. Players will get cheered and booed according to performance. Small details will be overblown to create controversy. Every loss will be the end of the world as we know it.. but at least we all have something to talk about. Isn’t that part of why its such a great season?
Besides players numbers (of course this is not stated publicly) most of them say the most important thing they care about is the way their teammates remembered them. That is all you need to say when talking about the big blow hard. His own teammates couldn’t stand him at every stop he made. These are facts that nobody can refute, so who cares if he continues to bash the NYY, he is a total fraud, with a “loser gene” that seems to be attached to his tongue somehow.
Schilling is a fat toad.
Curt Schilling. lol. The mere mention of his name makes me laugh.
His opinion on this matter is worthless.
He is a smart guy though. He knows exactly what he is doing. He’s giving Yankee “fans” that hate Javy more ammo to spout their venom toward the guy.
It’s too bad these “fans” are dumb enough to tale the bait.
A Red Sox ripping a Yankee player should cause the fan base to circle the wagons and defend Javy.
Agreeing with Schilling? Makes me doubt the loyalty of any Yankee fan who would go there.
Ray, it’s sad, isn’t it? Javy was so excited to be here; he said he never wanted to leave. Don’t Yankee fans WANT players to play here? I guess when it comes to Javy, things are different. Poor guy.
Actually this is really great. Now every time an idiot comes on here and says Vazquez is an NL pitcher with no guts I can say “Curt Schilling said the same thing, how does it feel to agree with him?”
“Besides players numbers (of course this is not stated publicly) most of them say the most important thing they care about is the way their teammates remembered them.”
I wonder if any of these people deriding Vazquez would care to look at what teammates, respected guys like Posada especially, have had to say about Javy regarding his tenures in New York? Although maybe it doesn’t matter what someone who actually plays the game and catches him says, he just must be an embarrassment and gutless and all that jazz.
SI cover and Verducci article.
If this team goes on a losing streak the Core 4 gets the blame for doing this.
SJ44,
I think this will cause a an unending loop within the minds of senseless Yankee fans, resulting in their heads exploding. I can just imagine their internal dialog.
“Javy Vazquez sucks and can only pitch in the NL!”
“But wait, Curt Schilling said that and I hate him!”
“But Vazquez is soft, he’s terrible!”
“Oh God Schilling is a former Red Sox, I hate him too much to agree”
“But Vazquez – ” *Head explodes*
“Its just my opinion, but all other opinions suck.”
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“greatest fans support their players when they struggle
greatest fans don?t boo their own players
greatest fans don?t scapegoat one player for a team failure”
I’m thinking the same thing. Is booing part of every sport? Does it come from profound disappointment or some sense of entitlement? I’ve never booed at a sporting event, and that includes booing the opposition. (I actually have sat and home and practiced booing, meaning that I can’t even get the sound down. Don’t know how they actually do it.)
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Gorgeous SI cover.
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About Javy. I refuse to believe that a guy who has pitched many years in the majors and who can get through the first three innings doesn’t have the goods to get through the next three. Whatever the problem is, hopefully they figure it out.
About dropping Javy to the fifth starter spot. Whether or not that makes sense, I seriously doubt you will see Girardi do it, at least not very soon. His method is to keep putting the guy in the position to succeed. Only if he feels it is compromising the players’ effectiveness – or really compromising the players’ mental health – or putting the team totally under – will he change his method.
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“randy
I saw that you and nick were a good tag team last night.
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I personally have never liked the gang mentality nor seeing anybody used as a punching bag for someone else’s enjoyement – and of course that includes me as punching bag. And that also includes seeing someone who may not be my favorite poster being ganged up on.
Happy you enjoyed it though. You probably would have enjoyed being in Rome when they used to throw Christians to the lions!
In any event, I have received emails from several posters suggesting that the posters in questions do not have my best interest in mind when they attack me and that I should ignore them. I think it is obvious that I do try to ignore them when they are obviously attacking or taunting. Most of the time it works.
My style has always been to just ignore posters whom I dislike, few though they are. That includes ignoring what they post. Unfortunately for me, a few posters who obviously hold me in the same regard have chosen to go on the attack rather than ignore me. Not good for me, and certainly not good for the forum.
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Doreen, I agree the Rays didn’t necessarily come out of the blue. That was probably the wrong expression and wrong example. But not a lot of people believed they were for real in 2008. And there have been teams that ended up being total surprises, which was my point.
Why do people keep comparing Javy to Lester or Beckett or Verlander or other good pitchers?
Those guys are not the face of the biggest collapse in sports history (what is the one image everyone has of 2004? Damon’s grandslam vs. Vazquez).
Those guys did not get called out by their manager for not pitching big games
Those guys do not have any lingering questions about the league they pitch in.
Lester/Beckett have won WS games. Beckett threw a CG SHO in Yankee Stadium as a 22 yr old. They’ve had their bad postseason games but have proved they can get it done.
No other good pitcher who is struggling right now has the history or question marks that Vazquez has. None of them also have to worried about being booed or their psyche.
It will be a surprise to see Javier win more games than Aceves, or Phil. I hope he does turn it around, but he seems over matched in the AL. I hope he proves to be better than what he’s shown in April.
He could very well be a slow starter like Teixeira and Johnson, and be great when he works out his mechanics, I’m hoping for the latter.
Schilling said. “It’s hard to say this without sounding disrespectful, and I don’t mean it that way – the National League is an easier league to pitch in, period, and some guys aren’t equipped to get those same outs in the American League. And he’s one of those guys.”
yeah well, curt,i don’t mean to be disrespectful, but you’re a carpetbagging teabag who should go back to where you’re from which isn’t here.
i can’t wait for you to run for election in ma so i can vote your ass down.
… i feel better already.
just had to get that out
“SI cover and Verducci article. ”
Yeah, the curse of the SI cover. I am going to do a little research to find out if there is a particular cover.
Do I believe that Verducci would intentionally set something like that up? ABSOLUTELY.
All that matters is that his teammates rally around and support him. That’s all that matters. The rest is just noise. And frankly, it is irrelevant what we or people like Schiling think. This is in Javy’s hands – he can have the last laugh, and I hope he does – a long, loud, raucous laugh!
So far, Vazquez is proving him exactly right.
The worst thing Vazquez did was take the bait from the media about the booing. That just exacerbated things.
SJ44
great post.
Schilling is an absolute clown and it’s a joke that anyone particularly a “yanks fan” considers any opinion of his credible.
Schilling was on the morning drive show here in San Francisco this morning. When asked if he watched the Yankees clinching game in the WS last year, he said he did not and instead watched SpongeBob…he also took the hosts’ easy bait on the whole Arod-Dallas Braden incident, calling the Rod ‘oblivious’ and bringing up the slapball incident, the Toronto popup shout, and weaving it altogether into a this guy is clueless story. He also attributed some of the hate he gets to having voted for GW Bush. He also said he hates no one because it takes too much energy to hate! Anyway, he came off as unbelievably pompous and full of himself. His only gracious moment was his praise of Randy Johnson. Schill and SpongeBob are a perfect pair!
Screw Ozzie Guillen; I couldn’t despise that man more.
The face of the collapse? LOL How did the Yankees get to that point after being up 3-0? There are plenty of faces of that collapse – and the fact that fans can’t get over a playoff series tells me that they’ve got serious issues.
trisha – the curse of the cover? i guess we won’t win the super bowl this year…
schilling clearly isn’t watching games, he’s too busy making video games and getting free drinks at bars from loyal red sox fans who want to know about the bloody sock.
if he was watching games, he’d see a pitcher who is struggling mechanically.
schilling will probably be the guy in the media for the next few years that says the yankees are done every time they lose two games in a row.
buckle up people, this loudmouth just got a soapbox
Let’s give Javy a chance. I don’t think that the Yankee front office was clueless when they made the trade.
Does anyone remember when schilling would voluntarily call up WEEI in Boston… I mean what athlete goes out of his way to call up talk radio stations and can be taken seriously??? Just like Sam is not surprised that schilling opened his mouth, i am not surprised NESPN hired him
trisha -
I think fans thought the Rays came out of the blue, but baseball people probably not so much. And fans kept thinking they’d fade away and they didn’t.
Yesterday listening to the radio, some guy on XM was talking about that team that does the unexpected that seems to appear almost every season, and he was suggesting it could be the Padres this year.
But I think if you describe the way it team is playing as opposed to trying to put a label on the team itself, it’s a lot less contentious. Expectations are what is on paper; teams can play above, below or right at their expectations. I don’t think anyone could go wrong if they stick with that kind of language.
Sometimes it’s so difficult to get your ideas across in this medium, and semantics do make a difference. And though I’m a big user of smiley faces, they don’t cover every nuance.
“He knows exactly what he is doing. He’s giving Yankee “fans” that hate Javy more ammo to spout their venom toward the guy.”
Conspiracy? NO!
Facts? Agenda? YES!
Perfectly written, SJ!! He’s using his position to further sway Javy bashers, and try to create new Javy bashers….
All in the hopes that the idiotic Javy bashers boo him senseless at the Stadium, with the further hope of Javy becoming a bust!
Too bad Javier is a veteran pitcher who has been successful throughout his career.
Curt Schilling is a has been, who cares what he has to say…
JV will get better and by the end of the year will have pitch 200 innings with an above .500 record. That’s all we need from him and he will produce…
Judging by the callers on WFAN and 1050 yesterday…. nearly 95% of them agree with Schilling.
Evan Roberts, the Mets fan, defended Vazquez against YANKEES FANS ripping him yesterday.
This guy is going to have hell to deal with. God help him if he has a subpar start against the Chi Sox.
Anybody that agrees with Schilling on ANYTHING… Is NOT A YANKEES FAN. He’s a fat ogor clown!
even if he said the sky was blue, i wouldnt agree.
Only dumbell fans saddle Javy with 2004. Nobody else does.
All these “questions” come from the same people who booed Arod for 5 years. Its the moron contingent of Yankee fans. A vocal minority.
In other words, their opinions are as worthless as Curt Schilling’s on this matter.
Why? Because they are frauds.
They will suck up to Vazquez just like they have with Arod once he starts pitching well.
Its why the players laugh at fans like this. Believe me, they encounter those kind of folks everyday and laugh at them. They also know they are worthless.
Well I guess if we want to root for RSox then we listen and take to heart what ESPN & Schilling say. I mean the RSox are a mess right now. If somehow they can get into the Yankee team or fans minds about issues that don’t exist then perhaps they can help their beloved RSox.
I mean think about it. Tampa looks real good & so do the Yankees. RSox pitching has been almost non-existent and so has the vaunted defense. What else can they talk about? Adrian Gonzalez?
The RSox BP is almost shot and it isn’t even May yet. That is what happened in 2007 & 2008 to the Yankees. Their starting LF & CF may be out for a whlie as well. They are winning some games against the bottom teams with no names and over the hill guys having a career week. That won’t last. Meanwhile their top MiLB player prospects are going back w/o helping much with their best Westmoreland perhaps with a career threatening illness.
So I predict the spewing of filth and hatred to continue and even increase. So which side are you on????
Trisha, I have never understood booing either. I was playing sports from the time I could hold a ball in my little hands. I love baseball and the idea of booing is completely repugnant to me. I don’t believe in criticizing unless it is constructive. So I just don’t get it. Don’t understand its purpose at all. Maybe that is just me.
It was not a flame interview. Schilling was being honest and candid and I really enjoyed the interview because of the perspective. And I hate to say it, but I agree with him. I listen to that segment on the Herd every week because of Schilling.
Trisha, I have never understood booing either. I was playing sports from the time I could hold a ball in my little hands. I love baseball and the idea of booing is completely repugnant to me. I don’t believe in criticizing unless it is constructive. So I just don’t get it. Don’t understand its purpose at all. Maybe that is just me. I don’t have the boo gene in me!
SJ44,
Couldn’t have said it better myself
Anyone that isn’t ruled by their emotions and can look at all the facts will realize that Javy Vazquez is a VERY GOOD pitcher. It is highly likely that he will snap out of this slump and win around 15 games with a 3-4 ERA. Can’t really complain about that if you ask me.
Using callers on a sports radio talk show, the absolute barometer of the moron element in a fan base, as “proof” of anything is weak.
These same “experts” predicted the Yankees were “dead” last year after losing the first 8 games to the Red Sox. Could, “never win with a control freak like Joe Girardi as manager and a choke artist like Arod in the middle of their lineup”.
That’s your “proof”?
Believe me, sports talk radio is an insane asylum. If you want to believe nutjobs, so be it.
I think those with functional brain cells will do otherwise.
The Yankee fans who go to the stadium are Yankee fans and they boo him.
I don’t think Red Sox “trolls” would spend $1000s of dollars to go to a Yankees game.
And the fans who go to the stadium and booed him apparently agree with Curt.
Sorry bout the double post.
“I personally have never liked the gang mentality nor seeing anybody used as a punching bag for someone else’s enjoyement – and of course that includes me as punching bag.”
trisha-
i stayed on the sidelines until you basically told the best poster on the blog his opinion was absurd and basically to stuff it when he said toronto wasn’t a good team.
i thought considering you had over 50 posts at that point(almost 15%) when the blog total was about 350 that was a bit over the top.
you say”certainly not good for the forum.”, but what’s not good for the forum is someone with 15% of the comments dominating the blog with quantity over quality .
and as far as nick and i , no two people have sparred more than we have.
you simply offended both our senses of logic independently.
Frankly, I am very surprised by the number of people who pin blame for 2004 on Javy. Personally, I just recall a total team failure. Really, from top to bottom and apparently out of the blue. (There’s that phrase again!) And I remember feeling like the Red Sox suddenly became this unstoppable force, as if it was destined. I remember in those last 4 games a lot of things going wrong. I remember thinking, once it got to a 7th game, the Yankees were not going to win. I do recall thinking if Mariano hadn’t blown the save in game 4, it would have been done and who would expect Mariano to blow a save? But aside from that, I don’t recall blaming a single solitary player for that total collapse.
This Javy “hate” has really taken me aback.
I thought it was great how when he came back he talked about wanting to be back and looking forward to this year and a new start here. I am saddened that some Yankees fans can’t get over one pitch that happened 5-plus years ago, especially when it wasn’t as if that game was ever even close.
So Schilling, who pitched 14 years in the NL says, “the National League is an easier league to pitch in, period”.
Not exactly making the best case for himself in any HOF discussions, is he?
There are more WFAN caller Yankee fans than sensible ones. How else do you explain the creatures who go to the stadium? The ones who booed Hawkins and shouted “Paul O’Neil” while he was pitching? or who booed A-Rod after every AB where he didn’t get a hit for a whole year?
Folks like to think the talk radio crowd is in the minority, but it isn’t.
Patrick,
At this point, as with the Arod bashing, the moron contingent will look for ANYTHING and ANYONE to “agree” with their POV.
Curt Schilling? lol Really, Curt Schilling? lol When you think about it, that’s really funny.
His AL numbers were not as good as his NL numbers. Yet, he’s an “expert” on Javy Vazquez.
That was so staged for the moron element of the fan base to grab onto.
Hey, if it makes folks feel better to boo the guy like crazy, God bless you.
Just don’t come on here and praise him when he starts pitching well. If you do, you are a fraud and you will get called out on it.
Who cares what steroid using bloody, redsucks schilling thinks!! The only thing he runs, is his mouth and shoes over!
Joe thinks it’s mechanical and can be fixed. Javier has time to fix it, it’s APRIL… chill!
I just do not understand how as a fan you boo your own team. That is like booing your own teammates!
It’s hard to judge Vazquez on a handful of starts back in the AL. I think you have to give him until early June at least to see where he’s at. Last year we gave Chien Ming Wang a bunch of starts before we shut him down. Of course he was hurt. But I’m not convinced something isn’t wrong with Vazquez. And what’s the alternative? Sergio Mitre? Alfredo Aceves? Leave Vazquez in there to pitch every 5 days. But come playoff time you may see Phil Hughes jump up into that #4 spot and Javy in the bullpen. At least that’s how it looks now. I’d much rather see Hughes vs. the Rays, Twins, Sox or Angels in the playoffs than Javy who can’t get anyone on those teams out.
Could care less about what the idiot Schilling has to say. Javier doesn’t pitch until Saturday. Looking forward to Phil Hughes pitching tonight. He is off to a great start and it is so nice to see a Yankee prospect develope and bloom. Lets go Yanks and get the winning train back on the tracks.
Nice job Sam, sure love your pot shots at Schilling. You showed him!
You may or may not agree with Schilling (I agree with him), but there is no need to get personal.
This is not the first time I have been embarassed by something Schilling has said to the media. Unfortunately it probably won’t be the last time I flinch a bit at something he says.
I understand that many professional athletes have professional size egos, but it just never ceases to amaze me how much Schilling likes to have himself heard.
Will Vasquez end up being your guy’s ace? Probably not but I will be very surprised if things don’t even out for him and that he will have a productive season.
one last point about schilling. he was invited to appear before congress with canseco, mcgwire, palmeiro, sosa, etc. he’s the only one of that group that hasn’t admitted to or been caught using steroids. makes you think, huh? he’s another pitcher who ‘found another gear’ in this late 30′s.
maybe Schill’s comments say something about his own need for attention…obviously Javy is a hot topic for Yankee fans, what better way to get your name out there…and where are his comments regarding Beckett and Lester?
Sj -
Look, you’re very knowledgable about the game of baseball and I have a lot of respect for that, but this:
“All these ?questions? come from the same people who booed Arod for 5 years. Its the moron contingent of Yankee fans. A vocal minority.
In other words, their opinions are as worthless as Curt Schilling?s on this matter.
Why? Because they are frauds.”
Is really just a silly debate you always manage to get yourself into. Deciding who is or isnt a fan based on who they boo or cheer is just so.. base. Fans are biased creatures (hence the name) and usually, the way it works is when a guy does something good they cheer and when a guy does something bad they boo. How many homeruns did Arod hit during that tenure in Yankee stadium only to hear boos from the fans?? I watch as many games as I can a year and I cannot recall one moment where the guy was booed for doing something good. I can of course remember him getting booed when he’s struck out, popped out, and made errors, but those are “boo worthy” plays. Or is a player of Alex’s caliber not deserving of being booed ever? If Mo blows a save, the fans boo. Do you know why? Because we lost, and to Yankee fans (with or without these ” ” quotation things), it doesnt matter WHO lost, just that WE lost.
LaTroy Hawkins is a perfect example. Everyone pretends like the guy was ONLY getting booed because he was wearing 21, meanwhile, he couldn’t get a batter out. But of course, his performance had nothing to do with him getting booed. It was just all those frauds in the stadium that don’t care about results, mindlessly booing a stand up guy who was trying his best. Same goes for Javy. The fans will cheer when he does something good. Again, this is sports. Its entertainment. This is how it works. Why can’t the fans just behave like fans without being lambasted? When players perform, we show will shower them with all the accolades a person could ask for. We will chant their name from the top tiers and immortalize them by remembering that one at bat they just wouldnt give up on, or that one pitch they made when it mattered most. But fans are fans.. to question which ones are “better” than others seems childish. This “Well, I never booed Jeter, so I’m a better fan” logic is just silly.
Doreen, everytime I have questioned someone when they call the Jays a bad team, I have done it on the basis of the way they had been playing to date. So mine was meant to be confined to the here and now. I agree about labels. I think labelling teams is atrocious. I saw people do it to the Rays for years and it really bothered me. (I know you feel the same way about the underdog teams as I do.
) But the reason it bugged me the most is because people were going solely on their W-L and apparently not on the different facets of the team. I know it’s probably the way people do it, but it’s nof fair when it’s not an accurate conclusion. Again, the Rays in one of their worst years set a record for taking the lead into the 7th inning and blowing the lead. When I looked at the number of times they did that and added those to their win column, it really pushed them way up in the division. Even if some of them would have ended in losses had they a decent pen, it still would have easily given them a winning record +. So the point is that they had really good offense and really good starting pitching – and an awful pen. That is not the definition of a terrible team. But it was certainly the definition of an unsuccessful team.
What I like most about the season is watching it unfold without any preconceived notion of how the season will end – except for believing the Yankees will end up on top of course and wishing no success for their beantown rival.
MTU (aka GBURL) April 27th, 2010 at 11:04 am
Schilling is the opposite of EF Hutton.
When Schilling talks nobody listens.
His opinion is worth the exact amount of his name.
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Apparently, whichever of the two writers running this blog do.
They’ve dedicated a blog entry to this narcissist.
Who cares what Schilling thinks of anything we do? And why is his “voice” getting such play in this place?
Speaking of stupid Yankee fans, I sold my Saturday tix. I can’t bear to sit there among idiots if things don’t go well. I figured it’s better to watch on TV than to wind up swinging at people, because if things go south, the lowest common denominator will reign.
I’ll just yell “Give ‘em hell, Javy!” at my screen, instead
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I used to be a Yankee fan. From the mid 60′s on until Arod opted out.
It’s about integrity.
When Cashman said “If he opts out, we will not be bidding for his services” or words to that effect. Unfortunately, the “Steinbrenner Lite” regieme panicked and bought his act lock, stock and barrell.
Here laid open for all to see was a money grubbing insecure individual. As he has shown on other occasions he demonstrated no sense of family or loyalty. His ex wife can attest to that.
He is an admitted cheat (steriods and adultery) and yet fans want to worship and lionize this person because he hits homeruns and I suppose they bask in his reflected glory because he contributes to their feeling of well being in the world. Sad.
And some fans want to tease others that they are envious. They are not envious, they like most respectable people are just disgusted by the circus that is Afraud.
…whichever of the two writers running this blog, who wrote this entry, do…
Shame Spencer,
tl;dr
Phil has pitched 2 games; let’s let the season play out before we annoint him a starter in the playoffs (IF we even make the playoffs). Last time he faced the Twins, he didn’t do so well, lol. Obviously that was a different story, but my point is fans are now going to hype up Phil to unhealthy levels. Now if he struggles, we’re going to ask what’s wrong with him. Nothing is wrong with him that a year of pitching consistently won’t take care of. I almost wish he hadn’t pitched so well in Oakland as I think he’s now set up for a fall with the fans and media. Anyway, my point is it’s been 2 games; you don’t judge him or any pitcher on two games, especially when the 4 starter has had a very accomplished career.
I think booing is only tolerable when you see lack of effort. If guys don’t try, they deserve to be booed.
I don’t believe in booing lack of production when you see the effort is there from a player.
The guy is trying. Booing him, in April no less because he is starting off slowly, and invoking 2004 as your “right” to do so, makes you a moron fan.
If you don’t like being called a moron fan, stop acting like one.
But, if you are too emotional and/or too stupid to do so, just don’t change your tune (like most of these folks have done with Arod) when the guy starts pitching to the back of his baseball card.
That kind of fraud doesn’t get praised here. It gets called out.
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AROD is the definition of INTEGRITY!
as bad as Javy has been, his games have not been blow outs like poor CMW’s were. With better pitching from the bullpen and better hitting, those games were win-able
trisha
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Doesn’t the fact that Schilling pitched in both leagues and himself was not as good in the AL as the NL just further validate his point?
Then again, I don’t think anyone is arguing that the AL is superior to the NL. The issue is how much more beneficial it was to Vazquez.
Please, Hawkins was booed in ST – it was ridiculous.
Ray, I appreciate your comments. Curt was a great pitcher, but did he really need to throw gas on the fire? IMO, he’s just a sheep following the herd; it would have taken more guts for him to stand up and say that Javy will be fine. Piling on a struggling pitcher shows a complete lack of guts and this applies to Schilling and anyone else in the media. They don’t care about figuring out why Javy is struggling; they take the easy way out and say he doesn’t care or that he can’t handle NY.
upstate kate
Excellent point!
And I still cant believe that people on this board were all over CMW. It wasnt his fault he became terrible. It was damn interleague play!
upstate kate April 27th, 2010 at 12:14 pm
as bad as Javy has been, his games have not been blow outs like poor CMW?s were. With better pitching from the bullpen and better hitting, those games were win-able
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kate, great point
CMW was coming off an injury and was basically broken
PA Joe April 27th, 2010 at 12:15 pm
Doesn’t the fact that Schilling pitched in both leagues and himself was not as good in the AL as the NL just further validate his point?
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Let’s not forget that Sori had Stupid beat before cosmic events intervened.
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Booing a player who is trying his hardest is ridiculous; as SJ said, you should only boo lack of effort. I don’t want to hear fans say they think it motivates players- sure, negative reinforcement is something psychiatrists practice ALL the time. You want your dog to learn how to sit? Yell at him until he figures out that you mean business; he’s sure going to love you.
Hypocrites – all of them. They’re all going to cheer Javy the way they cheer Alex now.
I wonder if the same people that hate A-rod root for Pettitte.
He’s a cheat, he’s a fraud, this and that. What about Pettitte? He cheated in the same way that A-rod did but he never gets called out for it by Yankee “fans”.
Honestly I don’t care at all what either of them did. They are both great players and they help my team win. Oh and A-rod gets called out for cheating on his wife and getting divorced? It’s not like he’s alone in that category. I bet at least 50% of MLB players cheat on their wives, probably a much higher %. It’s kind of a well known fact that most MLB players have girlfriends even if they’re married.
Why did we need Vazquez to prove the NL is AAA league?
Were Penny, Smoltz, Pavano, Vincente Padilla, Garland, Peavy, Loshe, Farnsworth, Wright, Hawkins, Piniero, Carpenter, etc. not enough?
Maddux himself said he would never ever pitch in the AL.
Schilling isn’t breaking any ground here.
bodhi
I know and yet they still gave comvps (WHAT A JOKE!)
I love that guy. He was once, and will always be my little Alfie bear ♥ unless of course he goes to the Sox!
Alfonso has to be one of the cutest men in baseball!!!
Andy used HGH to heal an injury and he only used it once
A-Rod used it because he was insecure and thought that hitting 40/120 wasn’t enough and he wanted to hit 50/140. He did it to get a competitive advantage
Andy did it to help his team and heal from an injury.
“The Core Four” on the latest cover of Sports Illustrated!!
http://zellspinstripeblog.com/.....lustrated/
Alex Rodriguez is the definition of INTEGRITY!
The guy is going to be 34 next month.
Maybe he is just losing velocity as he gets older. He was never a flame thrower to begin with right? He has a good pitchers frame though.
Now I’ll get a little cosmic…
With all the seeming ill-will in the air, and what even seems like, from some fan quarters, a desire for Javy to fail, those who not only want him to succeed but who feel his pain to this point, must send him some fourth chakra energy – I mean unconditional love.
You can scoff if you want, but rooting doesn’t really enhance one’s material existence, does it?
It’s about being emotionally lifted up. So why not spend some energy positively in Javy’s direction?
This won’t automatically solve his issues, but it will help him access what he needs, if it’s there for him to reach. Jung called it the collective unconscious. If everyone was focused, for instance, on peace, or healing, and not caught up in everyday, personal dramas, we could stop many of the world’s ills.
The problem is, the enormous difficulty of getting the energies together. With baseball, Yankee fans are all watching these games at the same time, there is a true collective thought process and a mutual desire for success. Set aside intellectual judgment that unconditional love being sent to Javy is “silly”, and just innocently and meaningfully send it with your whole heart.
It can’t hurt.
Schilling won a WS ring with the Sox. He’ll do anything to try and “mess” with Vazquez’s head. I suspect Vazquez will be fine, and if he isn’t he’s a FA next year. Lucky Josh Beckett-signs a very lucrative extension and goes out last night and gives up 8 runs in 3 innings to the Blue Jays!!!!!
Schilling was traded by the O’s along with Steve Finley & Pete Harnisch (main guys) & a few other guys in 1991 to Houston for Glen Davis a 1B who could hit. Schilling was on the team with Ken Caminiti, Luis Gonzalez, Bagwell, Finley & some other suspected PEDs guys. I really believe Schilling was a PED guy too.
Dear Lord… Okay, so let me get this straight, if a guy isnt “giving his full effort” we are allowed to boo, but if a guy is “trying really, really hard” we arent? And who decides which is which? You guys? The self proclaimed “best fans ever”? (Although I admit I do consider you all the best fans, I still think the name calling of other fans is silly and just as moronic as you seem to think booing people at a sporting event is).
I just dont understand. Its SPORTS for cryin out loud!!! Its entertainment!! So I’m now supposed to feel bad if I hurt a guys feelings? A guy who gets paid 20 million a year whether he wins or loses?? C’mon guys, EVERY FAN wants EVERY PLAYER to perform 100% every inning, every game. So OF COURSE when Javy does well he will be given praise! But wait, I’m not supposed to cheer for him if I have previously booed him? Ever?? I don’t get where you guys are getting these rules from. These guys arent curing the world of poverty. They are hitting a ball with a stick.
Guess The Line Up is now open for business for today.
Good luck everyone!
As always for standings, rules and the weekly GTLU calendar, click on my name.
Shame
If you really CARED about the YANKEES, you’d realize that booing doesnt help them succeed!!
Bottom Line!
# teddy gbu April 27th, 2010 at 11:08 am
schilling also said this
Curt Schilling: A-Rod’s no Mr. October
“His problem has always been that he’s a guy with holes and you can pitch to those holes,” Schilling said. “For a guy that’s as good as he is, he still strikes out a lot. Guys who strike out a lot tend to have a tough time in October.”
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Reggie Jackson struck out at a monumental rate…
Yet isn’t HE the one called Mr. October?
Also, I seem to recall that when Fat Boy was traded to the Sawks, he said he understood why the Yankees went after Vazquez, as he was ten years younger. And that he would have made the same decision if he were Brian Cashman…
I left the house and the Jays were down 5-0. Then a sports center update said Josh gave up 6 in the bottom of the 3rd. Did anyone watch that game? What happened?
I was
the Jays couldn’t win a game the Sox were trying to give them. 13-12. Goodness gracious.
Bodhi
I’m with you. I’ve become fans of some players I didn’t like because I felt the good will might overcome some of the bad will around them.
All the negativity surrounding Javy has made me root for him more now.
Alex Rodriguez is the greatest man in the world!! Greatest role model too!!
Actually you can boo whenever you want!!! The principle behind booing is to show dissatisifaction or to motivate a person to do better to stop the boos. If your goal is to help the team/player then booing (negative) is not very helpful, unless it is a lack of hustle thing!
I prefer to boo Umps when they make bad calls. LOL! I try to encourage players to do the right thing. Most of them are beating themselves up and it can cause a mindset of failure if not encouraged to get over it.
If what I’ve said is true, then a real fan of a team would not boo a player on that team.
SS Jeter
DH Johnson
1B Teixeira
3B Rodriguez
2B Cano
C Posada
CF Granderson
RF Swisher
LF Gardner
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How any media outlet pays Schilling to spew his ridiculous BS is just beyond my comprehension.
Then again it is ESPN no?
MLB Network…take me away.
I will admit that I’m am a little worried about Sat. This is possibly the type of situation where the booing thing at the Stadium can pose a problem.
# pat April 27th, 2010 at 12:35 pm
Bodhi
I’m with you. I’ve become fans of some players I didn’t like because I felt the good will might overcome some of the bad will around them.
All the negativity surrounding Javy has made me root for him more now.”
Yep! It cant hurt to pull for a guy! That’s what makes Alex Rodriguez so attractive as a human being and a Yankee. Everybody despises him, including some deranged Yankees fans!
I ♥ ALEX!!!!
If you believe Andy Pettitte only used HGH one time to “help his team”, you are hopelessly naive and really should refrain from commenting on this subject.
Andy is no different than anybody else who used and got caught. Its just that its tougher to make him a “villain” than it is Arod.
Personally, I don’t care who used and who didn’t because it means nothing to me.
However, the selective way some fans boo some who have and find excuses for others is comical to me.
I’ll boo an opposing player or an ump in the privacy of my own home, but I would never boo anyone publicly. Especially a player on my own team.
Andy used HGH to heal an injury and he only used it once
A-Rod used it because he was insecure and thought that hitting 40/120 wasn’t enough and he wanted to hit 50/140. He did it to get a competitive advantage
Andy did it to help his team and heal from an injury.
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So A-rod taking roids was helping his team too. Why is it that A-rod’s reasons are selfish but Andy’s aren’t? They both took performance enhancing drugs. And you don’t know how many times either of them took it.
Also, y’all can boo as much as you want, it’s your right. But it’s my right to call you all idiots for doing so. Idiots.
“I can’t help but think karma came into play in a very cruel way for Alex Rodriguez during the WH meeting with President Obama.
Once upon a time, Alex slighted Derek Jeter and called himself a better “leader” than the Captain. Alex has always envied Derek Jeter.
Boras and Arod wanted the new stadium to be forever remembered as the “House that Arod Built”. Arod was supposed to achieve Babe Ruth status and break the all time HR record as a clean player unlike Bonds.
Boras and Arod raped the Yankees for that 300 million dollar abomination of a contract by exploiting that now empty pursuit.
The fact is Alex Rodriguez cheated.
If you want real glory, you can’t cheat.
You can’t lie.
If you want to be remembered as a leader, you have to set a good example.
Alex bashed a true leader, cheated, lied and extorted money from the Yankees.
The new stadium is the “House that Jeter Built”.
Arod was probably secretly wishing for some pardon from the President in the form of acknowledgment for his postseason performance, a performance that Jeter has repeated 10 times in the past as the leader of the NYY and face of the franchise.
Karmic justice that Arod, an unabashed Republican like Curt Schilling, someone who cried about discrimination against him based on the fact that he’s “biracial”, is there standing right next to Derek Jeter, a biracial athlete. Then the biracial President, the most powerful man in the world, also a Democrat, points towards Derek and gives him the spotlight as a true Yankee.
Arod’s destiny seems like it was never meant to be.”
Andy also cheated. Do you have problems with him?
“I prefer to boo Umps when they make bad calls”
YES!! LMAO!!
That’s the way to do it!
When I am at games, since I sit close to the action, I like to yell “I hope somebody breaks your legs, ref/ump!!!”
And then of course get dirty looks!
“EVERY FAN wants EVERY PLAYER to perform 100% every inning”
Theres a difference between wanting something and expecting something.
Most people learn the difference before they hit kindergarten.
The ones who don’t boo players in the adult version of a 2 year old throwing a temper tantrum.
“Andy used HGH to heal an injury and he only used it once”
seriously, how do we know for sure?
Doreen
I like Macfan’s idea from earlier to put GGBG in the #2 spot
SS Jeter
LF GGBG
1B Tex
3B Arod
2B Robbie
C Posada
CF Granderson
RF Swish
DH Nick J
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best of luck to Phil tonight, according to mlb.com this is a prime day for no hitters
People don’t vilify Andy because Andy is a class-act. On and off the field he is a good person. The same cannot be said for A-Rod.
pat April 27th, 2010 at 12:35 pm
Bodhi
I’m with you. I’ve become fans of some players I didn’t like because I felt the good will might overcome some of the bad will around them.
All the negativity surrounding Javy has made me root for him more now.
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I’m glad you and I will be sending him light
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“If you want to be remembered as a leader, you have to set a good example.”
There is no timetable for when a person MUST start setting an example.
Alex can start anytime, and has begun to do so…..
Saving the life of an innocent boston kid from getting run over by a bus/car! INTEGRITY!!!
If David ORtiz did that, it would be all over ESPN!
Schilling suffers from a serious disease, OPEN-MOUTH-IN GO-FOOT-ITIS, in his case there isn’t a cure.
Bodhi,
I also agree with you. It’s what happened with Alex last season too. After the Roberts book, the steroid admission, and the hip injury, it just seemed like everyone in the media was piling on him excessively and it actually turned people into his corner.
I am sure that once Vazquez getis it turned around the fans will be cheering for him too.
SJ44 on fire! Agree completely with your last post. I’m so over this whole steroids business. Players will always be looking for an edge, this is just the newest way. Now that baseball is mostly clean, who cares. Heck, the reason we watch the game is to have fun and it’s not like steroids took away my enjoyment. Watching McGwire chase that HR record was still one of the coolest things I’ve watched.
GTLU:
SS Jeter
DH Nick Johnson
1B Tex
3B ARod
2B Cano
C Posada
CF Granderson
RF Swisher
LF Gardner
see, if A-Rod is a such bad person and Yankees signed him a LONG term contract.
As a club, Yankees don’t look good at all, correct?
So, Yankees is filled with dumb people, I guess.
jz
No. The Yankees are not filled with dumb people.
Putting aside the terms of Alex’s contract, it was smart to resign him.
WE WERE NEVER GOING TO WIN the 2009 WORLD SERIES WITHOUT HIM!
Hi Doreen,
I’ll play although I have a sneaking suspicion that Joe Girardi will win tonight because of Nick Johnson.
SS Jeter
DH Johnson
1B Teixeira
3B Rodriguez
2B Cano
C Posada
CF Granderson
RF Swisher
LF Gardner
Thanks
Ok, so everyone here that does not boo the players has helped the team, and everyone that boos hurts the team? Riiiiiight.. Cause here I was thinking the only people that matter are the 25 guys on the roster, but I’m glad you are all doing your civic duty by being well behaved Yankee fans. I’m just glad you all like baseball instead of soccer. I dont think they cater to such sensitive (albeit “real”) fans in that sport.
“Andy used HGH to heal an injury and he only used it once”
He changed his admission to twice so you’re operating with a faulty premise to start with.
CR9, that’s the point.
The Yankees went after Schilling hard, but the D-backs didn’t want to trade him to the Yankees (they demanded Nick J. and Soriano for him, then took crap from the Sox).
“So, Yankees is filled with dumb people, I guess.”
This post is the height of irony.
“then took crap from the Sox”
BETSY
Please dont insult crap like that. Crap takes offense. De La Rosa, Lyon, Goss, and Fossum are far worse than crap!
CR9
From Webster’s dictionary: integrity, a firm adherence to a code of esp. moral or artistic values, the quality of being complete or undivided
Arod the definition of integrity? I am not seeing it according to Webster
Patrick
So all ballplayers cheat on their wives, girlfriends or significant others. I suppose if you are in the camp that it’s okay for your significant other to cheat on you without your knowledge and blessing, then I guess it’s okay. I wonder how you would feel if you were in the shoes of the cheated?
Do you know Arod? Just wondering because I do.
If you don’t think he’s a good guy off the field, you have no idea what you are talking about.
Just because he is frosty to the media doesn’t make him a bad guy.
You don’t have to twist yourself like a pretzel trying to produce what is flawed logic.
Just say, “I hate the guy”. You don’t have to couch with, “one cheater is ok because I like him and the other cheater isn’t because I don’t”.
Would you be shocked to know that Alex Rodriquez is one of the most popular guys in the clubhouse among the players on this team? Its true.
Unlike past teams, guys like him and have his back here. He’s also a very good teammate to the guys on the team.
Sometimes, its best not to discuss an issue unless you do a little more research other than deciding what your heroes in Boston or ESPN have to say about that person.
People talk about liking players who play the game the right way. That are classy. That are respected.
Then they go to Yankee Stadium and boo their own team. So much for class and respect.
well said, SJ, well said!
It is really hard to tell what is the worst part of this whole thread.
Schilling’s comments, the guy at the top of this thread saying he is right on the money, or someone who calls himself “The Master” writing that stupid post about A-Rod.
Somehow I am hoping that Chad set this post to self-destruct at some point so it can be washed away from our memories for good before we all become dumber.
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That definition describes Alex PERFECTLY! A wonderful human being, a great philanthrophist!
Javier Vazquez = Jaret Wright. Terrible signing.
Thanks SJ.
I will never understand why people think they have the right to belittle others. And I am not so airy fairy as to just praise everyone. Can one not just enjoy the game? I just don’t understand it.
His lips keep moving but all I hear is “blah, blah blah”
Patrick
So all ballplayers cheat on their wives, girlfriends or significant others. I suppose if you are in the camp that it’s okay for your significant other to cheat on you without your knowledge and blessing, then I guess it’s okay. I wonder how you would feel if you were in the shoes of the cheated?
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Never said all ballplayers do it, but a lot of them do. It’s a very poorly kept “secret” that baseball players are not very faithful to their significant others. I am not condoning it, just pointing out the hypocrisy of another poster blasting A-rod for cheating.
Wishful thinking on the part of media and fans alike that his teammates don’t like Alex. Mediots are lazy. It’s easier for them to think Alex is hated by everyone and to pile on him than it is to seek the truth. This isn’t journalism, it’s fiction and they all deserve the Pulitzer Prize for Stupidity.
Fran (the original) and OPPC member April 27th, 2010 at 12:42 pm
Bodhi,
I also agree with you. It’s what happened with Alex last season too. After the Roberts book, the steroid admission, and the hip injury, it just seemed like everyone in the media was piling on him excessively and it actually turned people into his corner.
I am sure that once Vazquez getis it turned around the fans will be cheering for him too.
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That’s a perfect example of how consciousness affects action. People who turned against Alex were forced to see his humanity, when he was unfairly under siege. The ancient Greeks called it ‘metanoia’ – one of my favorite spiritual terms, because it represents an autonomous choice only an individual can make, not some scriptural doctrine that forces an outward behavior that is not really embraced inwardly.
Quantum physics is also coming around on this, so those who smugly “pooh-pooh” such events will soon find out their paradigms of how things work are hackneyed and obsolete.
“The Secret Life of Water” is for anyone who is interested in this, but skeptical.
Of course, Javy’s mindset has to be on board. That’s why positive energy sent him is something that can buoy him, if he’s not feeling wholly confident.
Considering the abuse that greeted him, here, and the blame that was thrust on him for 2004, I can’t say I’m surprised.
Javier Vazquez=Jared Wright. Terrible signing.
Really? Did you think of that all by yourself or did you have help.
Aside from the fact they TRADED for Vazquez and didn’t “sign” him, and the fact that he has had a MUCH better career and is a MUCH better pitcher than Jared Wright, your post is brilliant.
Try again. This time think of something original.
If you’re not cheating you’re not trying, the only difference is with those who are caught.
” everytime I have questioned someone when they call the Jays a bad team, I have done it on the basis of the way they had been playing to date. So mine was meant to be confined to the here and now.”
trisha-
i get a little confused with your concept of projecting what good or bad is over time.
you say things like” I am definitely not someone who lives in the future. So I’m talking the here and now.”
the problem is earlier on a different topic you say:
“People who even try to play that play a fool’s game.
Look ahead, not back.”
the main topic today is vazquez and his poor start so far.
do we look at his whole body of work or do we look at just the here and now?
i think most people look at a player’s track record ,their health, their age, their circumstance ,throw out short samples that are either real good or real bad, and then make a calculated guess about the future.
as far as the two separate questions of how toronto and vazquez will fare this year, my guess is that toronto will be a .500 team plus or minus a few games and vazquez will be a 4.20 -4.4 era guy who wins 12-15 games for the yankees.
seeing how he’s the 4th starter, it’s not a problem , and the possible upside is he’ll be under four era and be a real strength for the yankees in the playoffs next fall so the yankees don’t have to go with just three starters.
of course hughes may have something to say about that.
omg!
Jaret Wright. UGH! I couldnt stand that 100 pitch 5 inning pitcher!! What game did he pitch against the Tiggers in the ALDS?
Javier Vazquez = Jaret Wright.
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Type mismatch error, cannot convert from Jaret Wright to Javier Vazquez
Randy, you live to harass me. I received unsolicited emails telling me that both you and Nick enjoy insulting and bringing people down and that I should just ignore your posts. So other people obviously see it the same way I do. People on this forum – including Nick one time – have had to tell you to back off from your nonstop stream of insults.
“i stayed on the sidelines until you basically told the best poster on the blog his opinion was absurd and basically to stuff it when he said toronto wasn?t a good team.”
Wrong. Your first post was to announce my post count and suggest that I must think people were really interested in my opinion. That was sheer harassment. Let’s not play games with this. And it isn’t the first time you have actually counted my posts and made announcements. The greatest irony is that there are people here who post far more than I do, day and night. On the rare occasion that I spend an entire evening on the forum, you show up to announce my post count? It’s all part of your agenda to harass.
You were worried about my post to CB? Seriously? You bludgeon posters here when you don’t like them or their opinions, and you do it relentlessly and in the harshest terms. I called CB’s OPINION absurd, not CB. He took the time to tell me his reasons for feeling the way he did and there was no problem whatsoever. But you and Nick thought you needed to intervene on his behalf? Just more of the same.
“you say?certainly not good for the forum.?, but what?s not good for the forum is someone with 15% of the comments dominating the blog with quantity over quality .”
I have never considered you a good barometer for quantity over quality. Let’s leave it at that.
You made a public announcement on the forum that you dislike me. Your agenda is readily apparent. I’d be dishonest if I were to say that my feelings toward you aren’t entirely mutual. The difference is that my way of dealing with it on a daily basis is just to ignore you.
Which I will begin to do once again now that I have at least set the record straight.
SJ
I was reading about Nick Castellanos working out with Alex and Yonder in the Herald this morning. Boras connection or just a Miami connection?
Wright’s ERA will probably be better than Vazquez’s this season
Face it, Vazzy is an NL pitcher. Much like Penny, Pavanp, etc.
How did Vazquez and the Blue Jays ever get into the same conversation? Whatever, I’ll play that game. Blue Jays win 68 games, Vazquez wins 15 with a 3.78 ERA.
Could anyone care what Trisha thinks or what her detractors think about what she thinks less than I do right now?
New Post: Pictures from Monday morning
Cashman was really naive if he thought bringing back one of the faces of the darkest moment in franchise history would go over well.
Did he really think the fans/media would let him off the hook for 2004? Cash is smarter than that.
Pat,
Miami connection although, I wouldn’t be shocked if Scott ends up as his advisor.
Nick can really play. He’s going to go early and get big money, IMO.
Very, very talented kid.
Could anyone care what Trisha thinks or what her detractors think about what she thinks less than I do right now
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I care less because I didn’t post about how little I care.
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oh crap
My Lineup Guess:
Jeter SS
Johnson DH
Tex 1B
ARod 3B
Cano 2B
Posada C
Grandy CF
Swisher RF
Gardner LF
Schillimg was up there among the players suspected of roid use, before congress, nuff said!!
“Could anyone care what Trisha thinks or what her detractors think about what she thinks less than I do right now?”
Yeah. Me.
Ovah.
You are not the cosmos
What I find wrong with our vouyeristic society is that we are quick to blame and accuse as if we have all the facts. With ARod it was assumed he cheated on his wife. Perhaps he had an open marriage and he wasn’t cheating. Perhaps not. I prefer to keep the moral judgements to myself and keep from having to cast the 1st stone.
We drafted an arm out DPL, name of Olivo.
Anyone know anything about this guy?
that is to say, we signed Olivo.
voyeuristic
Yeah. Me.
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The fact you care less about your own thoughts than I do definitely explains some things.
My god this blog is being over run by Sox fans.
NO more lineups here
I think we need a baseball game. Day offs do this blog no good whatsoever.
SJ
There was a story about another standout (Machado) that told of a Boras connection so wondered if Scott was tying to get a monopoly in Miami this year.
SS Jeter
DH Johnson
1B Teixeira
3B Rodriguez
2B Cano
C Posada
CF Granderson
RF Swisher
LF Gardner
Jeter ss
Swish DH
Tex 1B
Alex 3B
Cano 2B
Posada c
Granderson cf
Gardner LF
Winn RF
Patrick-
Look what Darren Revell tweeted made me think of your team in our league, which by the way I am 3-0 in lol. Although I think this week will be tough.
CBSSports.com: Other popular fantasy baseball names include Honey Nut Ichiros, Jeters Never Prosper and Shake & Bake
trisha-
actually the simple story is that i like this blog and i think you dominate it at times with your overabundance of posts, and i’d rather read other people than you.
if you need to take up that high a percentage of the blog maybe it’s time for you to start your own blog.
i point out the number of your posts because i think it’s pretty obvious to most people that you’re overdoing it .
if i could figure out a way to read what sj44, cb, pat m, doreen, betsy, murphydog, nick in sf, joe on long island,erica,bd, mtu, maine yankee, patrick, jerkface,gb7, etc have to say without seeing you in the middle of everything i would gladly do it.
since i can’t, i’m going to give you crap about being a blog hog.
don’t be afraid to keep it under 10 % of the comments.
i mean , this isn’t the trisha blog last time i looked.
There’s is a vast gap between Jeter’s legacy and Arod’s circus. You cannot change history and the baseball books and thinkers will immortalize Derek Jeter.
To expect the same for an admitted cheater is just overblown irrational fanaticism and it’s not based on an objective view of the workings of history.
History makes no excuses.
History cannot be erased.
It has been written…
Signed,
The Master
Schilling the loudmouth is 100% right, until proven wrong, and so is Ozzie. The stats are what they are, a .500 pitcher with no guts. I hope he can prove everyone wrong, and actually turn into a productive no. 4. People are rushing to defend this guy, who went down in flames the first time around, and is getting lit up the second time. I can see people defending Arod, who’s a great player, but getting into arguments about Javy is nonsense. Since his all-star first half for us in 2004, his record is: 6-8, all together he’s 16-13 for the Yankees. Now I know he’s been hurt, and got thrown into game 7, but the guy has a track record that can’t be ignored. Sure we have to give him a chance, but after his first go round, I see his margin of error as less. Javy is also painting himself into a corner with fans, with his nonchalance. This guy has to get fired up, and throw some strikes. He knows how to do it, but we’ll have to wait and see if he will. Ozzie called out his intensity with Chicago, and although he’s a loudmouth, Ozzie is also right. Javy keeps getting called upon to come up in a big spot, and shrinks to the challenge. This isn’t being made up to denigrate Vasquez, it’s just the facts. The numbers don’t lie.
“Tom B – This just in, Schilling did not thrive in the AL.”
Really? The stats suggest otherwise
NL (13 yrs) 162-111 .593
AL (7 yrs) 54-35 .607
Take out the 3 years with BAL at the beginning of his career
BOS (4 yrs) 53-29 .646
Against AL teams in the post season
8-2 .800
Not too shabby – but he’s still a jerk
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