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Best big contract in baseball

Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Misc on Apr 28, 2010 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

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Who signed the best big-money contract in baseball?

Bill Shaikin of the Los Angeles Times writes that it just might be Derek Jeter. From the article:

“I don’t try to sit around and rate what I’ve done,” Jeter said before Saturday’s game at Angel Stadium. “I just try to be as consistent as possible.”

And so he was. Jeter got two hits. The New York Yankees won.

That is what he does. That is what the Yankees do.

The L.A. Times makes the case that it’s either Jeter or Manny Ramirez who has signed the best big-money contract in baseball, but the article seems to tend toward Jeter’s consistency being the deciding factor. Tip of the hat to MLB Trade Rumors for pointing out the link.

• If you’re in the mood for some former-Yankees news, Jeff Karstens has been called up to Pittsburgh to try to solve the Pirates rotation woes. He pitched pretty well in his season debut. The Pirates have already sent former Yankees minor leaguer Dan McCutchen back to Triple-A and put Ross Ohlendorf on the disabled list.

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419 Responses to “Best big contract in baseball”

  1. HenryfromDC April 28th, 2010 at 11:12 am

    Seriously, I don’t see how anyone can be a Jeter hater. He keeps proving them wrong with his consistency, professionalism and solid defense. And his career numbers keep climbing. I can’t imagine a Yankees team without Jeter. It’s gonna be one sad day when he retires.

  2. Betsy - Hughes rules (Pleading the Fifth) April 28th, 2010 at 11:12 am

    No story on the game last night?

  3. MTU (aka GBURL) April 28th, 2010 at 11:14 am

    “It’s gonna be one sad day when he retires.”

    You can add his Mo-ness to that list. :(

  4. Erin April 28th, 2010 at 11:14 am

    Great picture! :)

  5. Erin April 28th, 2010 at 11:15 am

    HenryfromDC April 28th, 2010 at 11:12 am
    It?s gonna be one sad day when he retires.

    *******************
    That’s way too depressing to think about. :(

  6. MTU (aka GBURL) April 28th, 2010 at 11:16 am

    Erin-

    It would be better if Cano were in it wouldn’t it ? ;)

  7. Erin April 28th, 2010 at 11:17 am

    Betsy- http://www.lohud.com/article/2.....01/4280363

  8. Erin April 28th, 2010 at 11:19 am

    MTU (aka GBURL) April 28th, 2010 at 11:16 am
    Erin-

    It would be better if Cano were in it wouldn?t it ?

    *********************
    LOL

    You know me too well, MTU.

    But you’ll never hear me complain about a picture of Jeter and Alex ;)

  9. rodg12 April 28th, 2010 at 11:20 am

    Couldn’t be happier that I got the chance to grow up watching Derek Jeter play for the Yankees and call him my favorite player.

  10. Erica - always OPPC - Sesame Street Mafia and GTLU supporter April 28th, 2010 at 11:21 am

    I ♥ Derek Jeter

  11. pat April 28th, 2010 at 11:25 am

    Give Derek and Alex a pair of aviator gl-a-s-s-es and they could pass for Secret Service in that picture.

    Just read the complete SI Core 4 story. No earth shattering revelations really but some funny stuff.

  12. MTU (aka GBURL) April 28th, 2010 at 11:27 am

    Jeter is gonna have his own Monument someday out there in Center field.

    It will sit right next to the other all time Yankee legends.

    IMHO, He’s earned it. :)

  13. Erin April 28th, 2010 at 11:28 am

    pat April 28th, 2010 at 11:25 am

    Just read the complete SI Core 4 story. No earth shattering revelations really but some funny stuff.

    ******************
    Good to know. I can’t wait to pick up a copy!

  14. Nick in SF in Rohnert Park, CA April 28th, 2010 at 11:29 am

    In honor of Doreen’s laundry day, I propose a LoHud Yankee Blog “Root For The Laundry Day” for tonight’s game.

    All Nick Johnson/Curtis Granderson/Brett Gardner/etc. haters will swallow their pathologies for the evening and root for the objects of their derision.

    “Root For The Laundry Day” should be easy with CC on the mound — that’s a lot of laundry to root for.

  15. Betsy - Hughes rules (Pleading the Fifth) April 28th, 2010 at 11:31 am

    Erica, thanks! The Yankees are still the best team, no matter what their record. Oh well….they just have to steady the ship and not fall too far behind the Rays.

  16. Betsy - Hughes rules (Pleading the Fifth) April 28th, 2010 at 11:32 am

    LOL Nick

  17. MTU (aka GBURL) April 28th, 2010 at 11:33 am

    Nick-

    Just because Doreen is forced to do laundry today doesn’t mean you get to make stuff up out of whole cloth (yards of it).

    But hey, it’s a free country I guess. :)

  18. Bronx Jeers April 28th, 2010 at 11:35 am

    From prev:

    In all honesty, I wasn’t trying to change my look. But after a full busy season of staring at a computer for 14 hours a day with contacts in- my eyes were revolting against me.

    ——————————————————————————————————————–

    Oh man. The overworked and in need of play motif only adds to the enchantment. The heart beats faster….

    Women in uniform also hold a spell over me. I see women cops in the street sometimes and I immediately want to break the law.

    OK I need to stop. Married man. The wife’s already suspicious about what I’m doing in here. :wink:

  19. HenryfromDC April 28th, 2010 at 11:35 am

    Nick,

    Haha, I wish today was a laundry afternoon game. I’m home recovering from wisdom teeth removal. Would’ve loved watching a Yankees game this afternoon.

  20. pat April 28th, 2010 at 11:37 am

    Everyday is laundry day and root for the laundry day in my house. I’m in! :smile:

  21. MTU (aka GBURL) April 28th, 2010 at 11:39 am

    Bronx-

    “The wife’s already suspicious about what I’m doing in here.”

    From what you say I hope she’s a cop, or at least could dress up as one.

    You need to be locked up, and restrained it would seem. :)

  22. Nick in SF in Rohnert Park, CA April 28th, 2010 at 11:40 am

    Henry, was it wise to schedule that procedure when the Yankees were in the region???

    You needed those teeth for one more week.

  23. Nick in SF in Rohnert Park, CA April 28th, 2010 at 11:41 am

    It’s rapidly turning into “LoHud Cold Shower Day” — I guess that works too.

  24. Erica - always OPPC - Sesame Street Mafia and GTLU supporter April 28th, 2010 at 11:42 am

    Bronx Jeers-

    I don’t even know what to say to that, but I am pretty sure I blushed a little :oops:

  25. MTU (aka GBURL) April 28th, 2010 at 11:46 am

    Erica-

    It’s possible that with your new “look” you may have moved out of the realm of “cute”, and into the realm of “hot”. :)

  26. trisha - OPPC member who sees, hears, and knows all. 28 is on its way!!!!! April 28th, 2010 at 11:46 am

    (This is a general baseball gripe of mine; I am using the Orioles as the current example)

    ?The Os are not as bad a team as their record indicates. I watched some of the red sox/Os games while visiting my sister last weekend. Their major weakness (as w/ the Rays in the past) is their bullpen. They can hit, in one of the games they lost, they had 17 hits!?

    Upstate, thank you for pointing that out! One of my biggest frustrations when it comes to baseball ? and as a champion of the underdogs ? is the laziness involved with fans making sweeping statements about teams. It?s contagious, and soon you have a parrot bar all saying the same thing and feeding off each other?s frenzy and angst. A goodly number of posters here were convinced that the Yankees were playing a worthlless team ? that?s because they all parrot each other ? and were beside themselves when the Yankees lost to this ?worthless team?. If people just took the time to educate themselves and look more closely ? the way you did ? they wouldn?t have been inconsolable that the Yankees lost to the Orioles ?of all teams?.

    Anyone paying attention to the Orioles at all would have noticed that they have some very good starting pitching (Kevin Millwood is obviously not a slouch), very good offense, and an ineffective bullpen. Twice that they lost to the Sux they lost because of a bullpen implosion. Both times they ended up losing by one run. I understand from reading the blog that the Yankees played sloppy ball. If they had played better ball maybe they would have won. But don?t underestimate the Orioles because they have a terrible record and are in last place. I?m sure there are times that there are teams in last that have absolutely nothing going for them. It isn?t the case with the Orioles.

    :)

  27. MTU (aka GBURL) April 28th, 2010 at 11:50 am

    Trisha-

    I meant to ask you.

    Did your ever get that gig with the SPCA ?

  28. Nick in SF in Rohnert Park, CA April 28th, 2010 at 11:50 am

    But somehow opining that the Blue Jays weren’t as good as their winning record — since vanished — was an absurd statement just two nights ago.

    A teaching moment?

  29. Erica - always OPPC - Sesame Street Mafia and GTLU supporter April 28th, 2010 at 11:51 am

    MTU (aka GBURL) April 28th, 2010 at 11:46 am
    Erica-

    It?s possible that with your new ?look? you may have moved out of the realm of ?cute?, and into the realm of ?hot?.

    **************

    Maybe. But I doubt it. I am always called “cute”

  30. Patrick from CT April 28th, 2010 at 11:53 am

    So how much and how long are the Yankees going to sign him for next year?
    My guess is that he will get 100+mil for 5 years…

  31. Erica - always OPPC - Sesame Street Mafia and GTLU supporter April 28th, 2010 at 11:54 am

    I love Derek Jeter-
    But 4 years may be best for all

  32. MTU (aka GBURL) April 28th, 2010 at 11:55 am

    Erica-

    Where are you placed on the “Richter” scale of flirtatiousness ?

    It’s a 1 thru 10 logorithmic scale by the way.

  33. Erica - always OPPC - Sesame Street Mafia and GTLU supporter April 28th, 2010 at 11:56 am

    MTU (aka GBURL) April 28th, 2010 at 11:55 am
    Erica-

    Where are you placed on the ?Richter? scale of flirtatiousness ?

    It?s a 1 thru 10 logorithmic scale by the way.

    ****************

    Ummmmmmmmmmmmm- I have no idea how to answer that.
    I am terrible at flirting.

  34. Bill D April 28th, 2010 at 11:56 am

    “Anyone paying attention to the Orioles at all would have noticed that they have some very good starting pitching (Kevin Millwood is obviously not a slouch), very good offense, and an ineffective bullpen.”

    Well, they don’t have a “very good” offense, but the rest is true enough. Fact is that in most years, the worst teams in baseball will win 40% of the time (roughly 65 wins) and the really good ones will win 60% (around 97 wins), with everyone else somewhere in between. Given those numbers, the good teams are going to lose to the lesser teams from time to time. It’s just the way it is…..and always has been.

  35. pat April 28th, 2010 at 11:56 am

    Speaking of showers and airing dirty laundry, Erica watching Glee while the Yankees struggled last night is unacceptable.

    She was right there with her rally showers last year but complacency seems to have set in since the WS win. :sad:

  36. MTU (aka GBURL) April 28th, 2010 at 11:57 am

    Erica-

    “I am terrible at flirting”

    Not from where I sit. ;)

  37. HenryfromDC April 28th, 2010 at 11:57 am

    Nick,

    “You needed those teeth for one more week.”

    Not to worry. Two came out yesterday. The other two are coming out next Tues, perfect for the Wed afternoon game!

  38. trisha - OPPC member who sees, hears, and knows all. 28 is on its way!!!!! April 28th, 2010 at 11:57 am

    And then there are those unexpected surprises! Nothing says that the fortune (good or bad) is going to last but look at my Nats, and look at the Dodgers!!! Who’da thunk it!

    *************

    About Phil Hughes – I didn’t see the game so don’t know how I would have reacted watching his outing but I do know that a pitcher who goes out there with nothing but finds a way to gut it out and keeps his team in the game is a manager’s dream. It reminds me of Andy Pettitte. There are pitchers who when they have nothing just seem to fold. To me the gritters are in the minority. JMO

    ******************************************

    About expecting players to produce when they’re not producing. I don’t. I don’t expect anymore of players than I expect of any other human beings. As long as they are doing the best they can at any given time, I’m satisfied. If they fall short, well welcome to the human race.

  39. muffinstump April 28th, 2010 at 11:59 am

    my fantasy is that jeter buys the team from the steinbrenners when he retires.

    and, oooooohhh, gltu will be fun tomorrow with a lefty on the mound.

  40. Erica - always OPPC - Sesame Street Mafia and GTLU supporter April 28th, 2010 at 12:01 pm

    pat April 28th, 2010 at 11:56 am
    Speaking of showers and airing dirty laundry, Erica watching Glee while the Yankees struggled last night is unacceptable.

    She was right there with her rally showers last year but complacency seems to have set in since the WS win.

    ******************

    I am sorry. My TV viewing habit is interferring with the Yankees BIG TIME right now. I had actually showered right at the top of the inning before the trouble started. I was up to making today’s lunch when the bullpen was unable to gain the 3rd out. However, if you go back to last night’s thread you will see I did send Dave Robertson a lovely note to cut the crap and get the 3rd out and he listened. So I did my part.

    But my DVR works double duty on Tuesday nights from 9-11. So I couldn’t watch the game. I listened to John & Suzy for a while, but the game got depressing. Glee was such a happier alternative

  41. HenryfromDC April 28th, 2010 at 12:01 pm

    “my fantasy is that jeter buys the team from the steinbrenners when he retires. ”

    While we’re at it, let’s Lebron own the Knicks, Messier own the Rangers and all of us own the Giants. :D

  42. Erica - always OPPC - Sesame Street Mafia and GTLU supporter April 28th, 2010 at 12:01 pm

    Hi muffinstump :-)

    You are still my favorite Lohud handle

  43. Mark in Tampa April 28th, 2010 at 12:02 pm

    Manny Ramirez? Really? Yes, he won 2 WS rings in Boston, and had great years there. But, you don’t win championships by yourself. Jeter, of course, never let down his fans during the contract, but I don’t think the Yankees won a WS during his 10/180 deal. Wasn’t the 2000 WS before he signed that deal? He was worth the money because of what he means to NY, but he wouldn’t be worth his AAV to another team with his power numbers, or lack thereof.

    On the other hand, it is amazing how much disrespect is thrown Arod’s way. He won 3 MVPs in the first 7 years of his deal, until he opted out. He easily could have won MVP every year in Texas had they been a better team, that would have been 5 MVPs in the 7years of his contract. I’d say that is pretty good. I can see the other side of the coin-had to be moved b/c they couldn’t afford him, never won WS on the original contract, theoretical post-season jitters, etc, but he deserved to be mentioned.

  44. Bill D April 28th, 2010 at 12:02 pm

    “and, oooooohhh, gltu will be fun tomorrow with a lefty on the mound.”

    And a pretty nasty one at that. Couple tough lefties in a row coming up, in fact, as I believe John Danks is the opposing pitcher on Friday.

  45. Erica - always OPPC - Sesame Street Mafia and GTLU supporter April 28th, 2010 at 12:02 pm

    MTU (aka GBURL) April 28th, 2010 at 11:57 am
    Erica-

    ?I am terrible at flirting?

    Not from where I sit.
    *********************

    Nobody ever believes this- but I get very shy

  46. MTU (aka GBURL) April 28th, 2010 at 12:03 pm

    Henry-

    “While we’re at it, let’s Lebron own the Knicks, Messier own the Rangers and all of us own the Giants.”

    Even with only 2 wisdom teeth left you are very wise. :)

  47. Nick in SF in Rohnert Park, CA April 28th, 2010 at 12:04 pm

    “If they fall short, well welcome to the human race.”

    Or welcome to the Washington Nationals in Brian Bruney’s case.

  48. MTU (aka GBURL) April 28th, 2010 at 12:05 pm

    Erica-

    “Nobody ever believes this- but I get very shy”

    It must be the Internet personna then because I would have put you near the top. :)

  49. Doreen - GTLU Standings & Rules April 28th, 2010 at 12:05 pm

    pat -

    Erica was not alone in her defection last night. :oops:

  50. randy l. April 28th, 2010 at 12:06 pm

    “A goodly number of posters here were convinced that the Yankees were playing a worthlless team ? that?s because they all parrot each other ? and were beside themselves when the Yankees lost to this ?worthless team?. If people just took the time to educate themselves and look more closely ? the way you did ? they wouldn?t have been inconsolable that the Yankees lost to the Orioles ?of all teams?.”

    trisha,

    you could make the same point that bad teams like the orioles still can beat good teams without creating this class of dumb fans that annoy you.

    the fact is in baseball a last place team still wins 40 % of their games.
    even the best teams only win 60 %, so it’s not unusual for a 40% team like the orioles to beat a 60% team like the orioles.

    if that’s all your point is i agree.

    if your point is that you are more knowledgeable than these posters who “parrot” and are “lazy”, who “don’t take time to educate themselves” than i don’t see your point unless you just like saying you are superior to someone.

    i find the negative message of yours that some people aren’t smart within your positive message that a team like the orioles can beat a team like the yankees to be unnecessary .

    why not just stick to the positive message without putting the average fan down?

  51. Mark in Tampa April 28th, 2010 at 12:06 pm

    “but I don’t think the Yankees won a WS during his 10/180 deal”

    Obviously I meant prior to last year in which he and Arod won it together.

  52. Erica - always OPPC - Sesame Street Mafia and GTLU supporter April 28th, 2010 at 12:07 pm

    MTU (aka GBURL) April 28th, 2010 at 12:05 pm
    Erica-

    ?Nobody ever believes this- but I get very shy?

    It must be the Internet personna then because I would have put you near the top.

    ************

    Its not just the internet personal. My friends who I spend all of my time with don’t buy it either. I can say pretty much anythign that pops into my head to anyone with no fear of consequence. I have no problem making a fool out of myself in public. And I can do kareoke completely sober.

    But when it comes to flirting- I am shy.

  53. Erin April 28th, 2010 at 12:07 pm

    pat April 28th, 2010 at 11:56 am
    Speaking of showers and airing dirty laundry, Erica watching Glee while the Yankees struggled last night is unacceptable.

    *********************
    pat, I have to admit, once Alex grounded out at the top of the 8th I realized Parenthood was coming on in 6 minutes. So I switched the game off too. :oops:

  54. muffinstump April 28th, 2010 at 12:07 pm

    thanks erica ;) (and she says she’s not a flirt….:) )

  55. Bill D April 28th, 2010 at 12:08 pm

    Mark:

    Last year was still part of Jeter’s mega-deal, so they have 1 title…and looking for more.

    Rodriguez won nada (besides MVP’s) under his $252M deal and in the end, through no real fault of his own, that deal probably hurt Texas more than it helped them and didn’t initially work out for the Yankees either.

  56. LGY April 28th, 2010 at 12:09 pm

    Trisha,

    The problem with your post is that you are assuming that everyone on here are making those statements about the Orioles based on their record. However, that is how you evaluate teams which seems to be very different from how most on here do.

    Most people here look at the construction of the Orioles roster and feel safe concluding they are a bad team that the Yankees should be beating at least 2 out of every 3 times.

    What difference would it make if the O’s swept the Red Sox? Would that automatically make them not a bad team? You would be up in arms if people said the Orioles are a bad team after that. However, personally and to many on here that would not change their opinion.

    It is far too early in the season to be making any conclusions about a team’s W-L record, especially since the season is so long. At some point the Orioles will play well and/or they will run into teams playing poorly. They ran into a depleted Red Sox team playing poorly for example.

    However, you can look at a team and the players that play for it and fairly safely assert that the Orioles and the Blue Jays are both not good teams.

  57. MTU (aka GBURL) April 28th, 2010 at 12:10 pm

    Erica-

    I am at a loss to explain it then.

    Back to the drawing board, or whatever.

    Stay cute and fun then. :)

  58. trisha - OPPC member who sees, hears, and knows all. 28 is on its way!!!!! April 28th, 2010 at 12:11 pm

    “Trisha-

    I meant to ask you.

    Did your ever get that gig with the SPCA ?”

    Thanks for asking MTU! Well the first go round didn’t really work. I found out – as I suspected – that because animal abuse is criminal (literally as well as figuratively!) it has to be prosecuted out of the relevant municipality. That means the attorney has to be an employee of the municipality. It has to do with insurance purposes as well as anything else. If something goes wrong, it’s the municipality that would be sued and then the attorney would be indemnified by the insurance company. They wouldn’t cover a private attorney.

    Today I was thinking about writing to the different mayors and town managers and offering them my services pro bono with respect to animal abuse cases. I would try to sell it by mentioning that I realize their attorneys are very busy and that animal abuse cases are low on the totem pole. If they appointed me as a special prosecutor that might bring me under their insurance umbrella. That way they would be indemnified when I get sued for doing to the perpetrator the same thing the person did to the helpless animal.

    :)

  59. Mark in Tampa April 28th, 2010 at 12:12 pm

    Bill D,

    Yes, I recognize that other side of it, but strictly looking at the price/performance of what you thought you were paying for, it is hard to beat the Arod deal looking at it objectively. The writer acknowledges Arod’s numbers but adds that they were chemically enhanced, and then conveniently mis-remembers that point when puffing up Manny.

  60. Betsy - Hughes rules (Pleading the Fifth) April 28th, 2010 at 12:12 pm

    Randy, I asked this last night, but I would love to get your perspective on it.

    Phil said he was going incorporate the change in his repertoire; he worked on it in ST and he seemed very pleased with it – though he admitted he could not call it a plus pitch until he saw how hitters reacted to it in real games. He used it a few times against the Angels, but as they hit change ups well, that was about it. Ok, that’s fine.

    1) Would you have used it at all against Oakland, when he had all his pitches working?
    2) Would you have used it last night when he had none of his pitches working?

    Does it bother you that maybe Phil doesn’t intend to use it as much as the Yankees and all of us had hoped? How will he ever gain confidence in the pitch if he doesn’t use it? I realize it’s only 3 games, but I see that his lack of the change is bothering some fans.

    Thanks!

  61. Erin April 28th, 2010 at 12:14 pm

    Ledger_Yankees Yankees bringing back HOPE week, Aug. 16-20.

    Yay!!!! :D

  62. pat April 28th, 2010 at 12:15 pm

    “didn’t initially work out for the Yankees either.”

    They made it to the postseason every year, sold 4 million tickets for the first time and with Texas’ contribution, paid him $16M a year for 4 years.

    I think the Yankees got their moneys worth even though they didn’t win a WS.

  63. MTU (aka GBURL) April 28th, 2010 at 12:15 pm

    Trisha-

    Sounds like you have a plan.

    And returning the favor to the perps is just what they deserve and then some.

    Please keep me informed of your progress.

    And speaking of animals. It’s time to walk the perro’s. :)

  64. Rick April 28th, 2010 at 12:17 pm

    Appreciate the “core four” every time they’re on the field. The likes of a group like them will never be seen again. Dripping with class.

  65. Mark in Tampa April 28th, 2010 at 12:17 pm

    Betsy,

    I am obviously not Randy, but I’ll give you my answer.
    1) Oakland-no need to factor in a relative unknown when he was getting everybody out easily with mostly his fastball.

    2) Last night-Hughes himself said it best when he said he didn’t want to use the pitch he commands least, when he couldn’t command anything else. The one thing I’ll say is that maybe he should have tried it a bit to see if that pitch could have gotten him in a groove. But, mostly that is said about breaking pitches, not changeups, to get your body working together correctly because of the different arm action required.

  66. Bronx Born April 28th, 2010 at 12:19 pm

    Trisha, I realize you have a love of animals. But what about becoming an advocate for victims of human trafficking? I am sure there are organizations that would love your help. I can put you in touch with some if you like.

  67. blake April 28th, 2010 at 12:21 pm

    Betsy,
    The real reason Phil hasn’t been throwing changeups is because it wouldn’t be Phair to the rest of the league :)

  68. Patrick April 28th, 2010 at 12:21 pm

    Betsy I think we need to wait longer to see if Hughes uses the change more. But even if he doesn’t I don’t care as long as he’s effective

  69. Pat M. April 28th, 2010 at 12:29 pm

    Erin…….Parenthood, possibly the best show on television………

  70. LGY April 28th, 2010 at 12:30 pm

    I was reading through some of the comments from last night and I think Chad calling Phil “brutal” last night was not interpreted the way he meant it to be.

    IMO he was not speaking about the results or ignoring the positives of him battling. He was just saying how Phil looked last night on the mound which was pretty brutal. He did not have command of anything and almost every pitch and every batter seemed to be a struggle.

    I have never seen Chad say anything that reeked of a lack of objectivity like his predecessor.

  71. trisha - OPPC member who sees, hears, and knows all. 28 is on its way!!!!! April 28th, 2010 at 12:31 pm

    LGY, as I said that has been a pet peeve of mine in baseball in general. I saw the guys I used to post with on the Times absolutely annihilate the Rays and they were doing it totally based on the final result. Not one of them bothered watching the Rays games. But they would throw around the most vile terms to describe the team (garbage, MLB should retract the team, terrible team, a joke, etc.) The truth of the matter was that the bullpen was giving away their games. Their starters would take them into the late innings, their offense took a record number of leads into the late innings, and then their relief set a record for blowing leads in the late innings. So my point was don’t call them a terrible team. They are not. The results are bad, and the relief is not good, but the rest of the team was really working well.

    It’s my own thing but just as some fans boo their own players when they’re not doing well, so do some fans throw around those terms without bothering or caring to know anything beyond the W-L record. I’m spitting in the wind because that isn’t going to change. Many fans don’t look beyond their own teams in terms of really knowing what is going on and only get to watch a lot of the other teams when they play their team. It’s the nature of sports and fans and totally understandable. People don’t have the time in their lives to delve into the fine points of every other team.

    ***************

    Let me restate my position. Although the Orioles have some major deficiences in the bullpen, they also have some good starting pitching and an offense that has been hitting. Therefore their record may be deceiving and we shouldn’t be surprised if they win games that we don’t think they are capable of winning. There are going to be times that their bullepen comes through. If that happens in tandem with good starting pitching and an offense that is hitting, they are going to win games.

  72. Erin April 28th, 2010 at 12:31 pm

    Pat M. April 28th, 2010 at 12:29 pm
    Erin??.Parenthood, possibly the best show on television???

    **********************
    Isn’t it awesome? I love it. I was so happy it got picked up for a second season!

  73. Betsy - Hughes rules (Pleading the Fifth) April 28th, 2010 at 12:33 pm

    Hope Week – I agree, double yay!! I love this team, I really do – on and off the field.

    Mark, good points. I don’t want to become obsessed with the change up (too late, lol), but we talked about it so much on here that now I don’t want the lack of a change to hinder Phil.

    Patrick, does Phil absolutely need the change to live up to his potential?

    Blake, lol – phooey on the rest of the league, lol. I want Phil to phlip (philip) the bird to his doubters. If that means he’s unphair, so be it.

  74. CR9 April 28th, 2010 at 12:33 pm

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  75. Patrick from CT April 28th, 2010 at 12:33 pm

    Betsy I think we need to wait longer to see if Hughes uses the change more. But even if he doesn?t I don?t care as long as he?s effective

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    The change is only needed if his curve gets hit by lefties. He has done fine with a fastball, cutter, and curve.

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  78. Pat M. April 28th, 2010 at 12:35 pm

    LGY……Retiring 11 of the last 12 hitters hardly constitutes being brutal……..In fact Chad’s piece in today’s newspaper he writes a completely different recap about the Hughes outing last night, almost night & day………Maybe some of the backlash altered his column………One thing is for certain, I’m not on his Holiday mailing list

  79. MaineYankee April 28th, 2010 at 12:36 pm

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    I chose to watch the Green take down the Heat last night.

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  81. Bronx Born April 28th, 2010 at 12:37 pm

    Pat M, I thought Hughes just really stepped it up last night. It was a very impressive performance. He gritted out his worst nightmare of no stuff and came out on top.

  82. LGY April 28th, 2010 at 12:38 pm

    Trisha,

    Absolutely. It is ridiculous for any fan to expect the Orioles to lose every game or for the Yankees to beat them every time out. That is just not the nature of baseball. Even the best team in baseball is going to lose to the worst teams a decent amount of the time. Anyone expecting otherwise is not in a Baseball state of mind.

  83. trisha - OPPC member who sees, hears, and knows all. 28 is on its way!!!!! April 28th, 2010 at 12:38 pm

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  84. randy l. April 28th, 2010 at 12:38 pm

    betsy-

    it’s not easy to work in a new pitch at the mlb level on a team like the yankees where wining is everything.

    thats why i always said phil had plenty more to learn in the minors a few years ago.

    the problem for any athlete is that you don’t do the same thing every time out. hughes went through that last night. not havning his good stuff , he just didn’t have any room to be working on a pitch that was new to him.

    he needs games where he’s well ahead so he can practice the change up. it doesn’t always happen. i think he could use it and waste it in some counts even in a close game though.

    the hardest thing in sports is to do something new. hughes will have to make it a pint to use it or he won’t get good at it. that’s what’s happened with burnett. he just doesn’t use the change up and he hasn’t developed a good one because of that.

    on a personal note i often play my under 100 yard wedge shots in golf left handed even though i play right handed. the reason i do it is because i want a balanced body and not lopsided from overuse on one side. in the short run i would score better using only right handed shots, but over time i won’t have back problems because i swing left handed too.

    and as time goes on , my left handed wedge shots are almost as good as my right handed. hughes on a much more important level has a similar problem. if he doesn’t use the new pitch, the change, he’ll have better results in the short run, but over time , he’d have better resukts if he develops the change.

    in other words, there’s a price an athlete pays to learn new things while he’s trying to get a score or results.

    hughes seems like he’s going to get the change down though. it’s just going to take a while.

  85. Betsy - Hughes rules (Pleading the Fifth) April 28th, 2010 at 12:41 pm

    Hopefully it was just a one time thing. I don’t mean that Phil can’t struggle anymore, but he seemed so out of sorts; hopefully he’s gotten himself straightened out. I find it so strange how a pitcher (not just Phil ,obviously) can have great or awful stuff in the pen and then be completely different during game time.

    I read a quote from Phil where it described him as having a weary smile. I’ll bet – imagine going out there with absolutely nothing and having to figure out a way to just keep the team in the game? It has to be both mentally AND physically exhausting.

  86. trisha - OPPC member who sees, hears, and knows all. 28 is on its way!!!!! April 28th, 2010 at 12:43 pm

    “why not just stick to the positive message without putting the average fan down?”

    That’s fair.

    “I agree that you need to look beyond the box score when judging a team.”

    Thanks Kate. That’s really the point I’m trying to make.

  87. Pat M. April 28th, 2010 at 12:44 pm

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  88. LGY April 28th, 2010 at 12:45 pm

    Pat,

    I hope you do not think I was calling Phil brutal last night. What he did was extremely impressive and very promising of things to come. Last night was one of a handful of starts a pitcher is going to have every season where he just has nothing. What separates the great pitchers from the rest of the league is that in those starts the results are still there. Phil did that last night.

    It is hard to exactly formulate what I think Chad meant, but the closest I can get is that even though Phil retired 11 of the last 12, like you brought up, almost every batter seemed high stress. It was tough to watch in a sense that he was clearly in a battle with himself out there.

    That said, you cannot argue with the results at the end of the day.

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  91. Betsy - Hughes rules (Pleading the Fifth) April 28th, 2010 at 12:48 pm

    Randy, that makes an awful lot of sense. I know Eiland has said in the past that it was like pulling teeth to get Phil to throw the change, but that was when he didn’t have a decent change to work with. I don’t believe Phil is stubborn or that he was blowing smoke in ST when he said he thought the change was important to him and I hope he does work it in. Again, he did throw it against the Angels; last night was just not a good night for him in terms of command. If it’s as much of a feel pitch as people say, the odds of him breaking off a good one were probably slim.

    I like your golf analogy; short term loss for long term gain, huh?

    I’m trying not to obsess about the change and instead concentrate on all the progress Phil has shown this year.

  92. m April 28th, 2010 at 12:48 pm

    Thanks for the links earlier. The Jorge article was hilarious.

    Flipping through the channels last night and had a shocker. Hair and Kristen Chenowith (sp?) were belting it out under the sheets. Not a good scene.

    I do like the storyline with the femme kid/jock though. Greg’s b-i-l from “Yes, Dear” was a pleasant surprise. Femme’s getting on my nerves with his neediness. And his loathing of sports. :P

    And you just knew what song mercedes was going to sing. It was great, though. It’s still a beautiful song.

    I didn’t realize we lost 3 straight. Remember how people moaned and groaned when they found out we had signed Chan Ho Park? They’re missing his presence imo.

    RAB has an article on a semi-quasi-catchers controversy. Nothing earth-shattering that we haven’t noticed over the past year.

    CC is the stopper tonight.

  93. Pat M. April 28th, 2010 at 12:48 pm

    Bronx Born, I though last night was a huge maturing phase for Phil last night……What he turned in last night is what veteran pitchers rely on, heart, grit and savvy…..Also I though Jorge did a fine job navigating him through game…….Jorge only called for 1 change that Hughes waved off…….

  94. Nick in SF in Rohnert Park, CA April 28th, 2010 at 12:48 pm

    I haven’t seen anyone make the counter-argument that teams like the Orioles are incapable of beating teams like the Yankees. Has it happened?

    There are commenters on here who seem personally offended that the Yankees don’t sweep every series with clearly inferior teams; oh well.

    But two nights ago people were chastised for suggesting that the Blue Jays weren’t as good as their (then) winning record. Something about the ‘hear and now’ and not ‘living in the future’. Weren’t they just looking beyond the box scores too?

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    It’s so funny you’re talking about losing patience with that character (kurt?)’s neediness. My husband and I both remarked that he got no sympathy from us last night! :)

  96. randy l. April 28th, 2010 at 12:52 pm

    “I was reading through some of the comments from last night and I think Chad calling Phil “brutal” last night was not interpreted the way he meant it to be.”

    lgy-

    the word” brutal” is used by baseball people much more than the general population. when i first went into the pro game as an outsider one of the fish out of water things i noticed was the heavy use of the word “brutal”.

    the plane trip was “brutal”. the service at the hamburger place was “brutal”, the sun at the beach was “brutal”. you name it , it was “brutal”.

    older players seemed to use it more than young players. the connotation is similar , but not quite the same as in general use.

    chad has obviously picked it up being around the game on a daily basis and used it in that way when describing hughes. it’s hard to explain the difference in how the term is used in baseball but it is used slightly different.

  97. Betsy - Hughes rules (Pleading the Fifth) April 28th, 2010 at 12:54 pm

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