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Opening Day lineup in Baltimore

Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Misc on Apr 28, 2010 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

Derek Jeter SS
Nick Johnson DH
Mark Teixeira 1B
Alex Rodriguez 3B
Robinson Cano 2B
Jorge Posada C
Curtis Granderson CF
Nick Swisher RF
Brett Gardner LF

LHP CC Sabathia

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394 Responses to “Opening Day lineup in Baltimore”

  1. Erica - always OPPC - Sesame Street Mafia and GTLU supporter April 28th, 2010 at 3:37 pm

    I got too creative for my own good :cry:

  2. ADam April 28th, 2010 at 3:38 pm

    So now does Joe Torre write a book called “The Dodger Years” because the GM criticized the team???

    http://newyork.yankees.mlb.com.....8;c_id=mlb

  3. Betsy - Hughes rules (Pleading the Fifth) April 28th, 2010 at 3:38 pm

    Opening Day Lineup? Does that mean we can wipe away yesterday’s loss?

  4. Erin April 28th, 2010 at 3:38 pm

    I finally won again!! :)

  5. Doreen - GTLU Standings & Rules April 28th, 2010 at 3:40 pm

    Congratulations to the following Winners of Today’s GTLU!

    Erin
    Patrick from CT
    SAS
    Fran (the original)
    IDCWYT
    RayVT
    RL15
    Shame Spencer

  6. Nick in SF in Cotati, CA April 28th, 2010 at 3:43 pm

    If Boone Logan had announced that he was personally cancelling HOPE Week, that would have been worse than giving up the walk.

    His arm falling off would have been brutal for him, but it would open up a roster spot.

  7. Bronx Jeers April 28th, 2010 at 3:46 pm

    “i think it’d be really cool if divine intervention would do a replay of that lightening strike to dave tucker’s mound but in yankee stadium when dallas braden pitches there.”

    ————————————————————-

    I’m sure Mariano could make a few phone calls and arrange for some “fire and brimstone” . We don’t have midges but how about a plague of subway rats.

    Look what happened to the so-called “Angels”. Dude does a 40-story nose dive right as they’re having coffee. And that’s a team with friends on it.

    Maybe they stay at the same hotel. The Steinway showroom is right across the street. How much damage you think a piano falling 40 stories can inflict on a team bus?

  8. Pel April 28th, 2010 at 3:47 pm

    >His arm falling off would have been brutal for him, but it would open up a roster spot.

    Rehab would’ve been a real struggle.

  9. Nick in SF in Cotati, CA April 28th, 2010 at 3:50 pm

    We should probably specify which arm.

    /Jim Abbott’d

  10. CB April 28th, 2010 at 3:50 pm

    Inter playing 10 Dallas Braden’s on the pitch.

    Everyone of whom have marked their territory in the box…

  11. Erin April 28th, 2010 at 3:50 pm

    Nick in SF in Cotati, CA April 28th, 2010 at 3:43 pm
    If Boone Logan had announced that he was personally cancelling HOPE Week, that would have been worse than giving up the walk.

    His arm falling off would have been brutal for him, but it would open up a roster spot.

    ************************

    :lol:

  12. muffinstump April 28th, 2010 at 3:52 pm

    # Dave F April 28th, 2010 at 3:35 pm

    muffinstump,

    URL for Michael Kay

    http://espn.go.com/new-york/ra…..listenlive
    **********************

    many thanks, dave! found it despite the ellipses…

  13. Oddessy April 28th, 2010 at 3:54 pm

    Hoffman gives up ANOTHER game-tying HR.. to the same guy who hit the grand slam off himn yesterday.

    His 4th blown save of the year.

  14. I am a Fat Walrus April 28th, 2010 at 3:56 pm

    Yeah that’s rough. Hoffman had a good year last year. And now he’s pulling a Brad Lidge.

  15. rodg12 April 28th, 2010 at 3:59 pm

    Dang it, forgot to stop by and do GTLU.

    Decent chance Hoffman is done. His fastball has lost too much MPH so that the difference between it and change-up isn’t enough.

  16. CountryClub April 28th, 2010 at 4:00 pm

    Lets go boys….

  17. NYYROC April 28th, 2010 at 4:00 pm

    Kay taking a shot at Torre: “We are now seeing that Joe Torre, without great players, is just an average manager.”

  18. GreenBeret7 April 28th, 2010 at 4:01 pm

    It’s been a rough 12 hours for Trevor Hoffman. Last night he gave up a game winning Grand slam to Ryan Doumit. Comes in with a 4-3 9th inning lead and Pittsburgh sends Ryan Doumit in to pinch hit to lead off the inning. You guessed it, a game tying home run. Hoffman is 1-2 with 3 saves, 4 blown saves and an ERA of 13.50 in 9 games and 9 innings. 6 homers.

  19. rodg12 April 28th, 2010 at 4:02 pm

    Just saw this on twitter….
    JohnMarecek

    MLB to adopt new All Star Game rules. DH at all times, roster to 34, if u pitch Sunday b4 u r replaced on roster, & designated re-entry guy

    Love these changes. About time MLB made them.

  20. Jerkface April 28th, 2010 at 4:03 pm

    Hoffman is the pretender to the throne, make way for King Mo.

  21. Pat M. April 28th, 2010 at 4:03 pm

    Go Pirates…..

  22. muffinstump April 28th, 2010 at 4:05 pm

    roc,

    now that i’m tuned in, i noticed kay’s shot at torre, too. kay never got over being compared to rona barrett, lol.

  23. NYYROC April 28th, 2010 at 4:06 pm

    Muffin: Yep I remember that too! Good times! LOL!

  24. Betsy - Hughes rules (Pleading the Fifth) April 28th, 2010 at 4:06 pm

    Kay also said that the Yankees relievers are uncertain and worried (ie: have totally lost their confidence) and he’s giving some credence to Ike Davis turning the Mets around. What turned the Mets around was the SP pitching and their good offensive players finally playing to their ability. As to the Yankees pen, I don’t love it at all, but to say that they are somehow psychologically fragile because they are slumping is stupid.

  25. Erica - always OPPC - Sesame Street Mafia and GTLU supporter April 28th, 2010 at 4:08 pm

    Was the old A–Star roster 25??? That is a big jump!

  26. Erica - always OPPC - Sesame Street Mafia and GTLU supporter April 28th, 2010 at 4:08 pm

    Make that All-Star please

    Silly Erica!

  27. Bronx Jeers April 28th, 2010 at 4:10 pm

    Kay taking a shot at Torre: “We are now seeing that Joe Torre, without great players, is just an average manager.”

    Kay’s been partnered with some good broadcasters over the years. But he sucked then and now that they’re not around he still sucks.

    Such a weasel. Really, a whiny mama’s boy.

  28. Doreen - GTLU Standings & Rules April 28th, 2010 at 4:10 pm

    The standings have been updated on the GTLU page, if anyone is interested.

    “See” you all later.

    :)

  29. GreenBeret7 April 28th, 2010 at 4:14 pm

    best wishes to Bob Uecker on a speedy recovery from open heart surgery. A lousy ball player but a funny man and one of the great baseball announcers.

  30. miggs- GTLU Reigning Champion April 28th, 2010 at 4:15 pm

    Missed the GTLU deadline again….

    I blame it all on my business partner.

    Good lineup, let’s see if Nick Johnson can make it through the whole game. CC looks to stop the bleeding, Yankees romp today.

  31. Erica - always OPPC - Sesame Street Mafia and GTLU supporter April 28th, 2010 at 4:16 pm

    Miggs-

    You need to reprioritize. I lost today and it was the basic line up. You could have gained on me

  32. Ken April 28th, 2010 at 4:16 pm

    Don’t expect any Yankee talk on the radio until the Mets cool off. They will be slobbing over the Mets. They will only mention the Yankees if it is negative… a la Vazquez or if we lose tonight and Boston/Tampa win

  33. I am a Fat Walrus April 28th, 2010 at 4:17 pm

    He was awesome in the Major League movies.

  34. Erica - always OPPC - Sesame Street Mafia and GTLU supporter April 28th, 2010 at 4:17 pm

    I am game out of first in GTLU!!!! ARGH :cry:

  35. muffinstump April 28th, 2010 at 4:18 pm

    how serious a threat do you all think tampa is this year (to a yankee repeat)?

  36. upstate kate April 28th, 2010 at 4:25 pm

    oh silly me, I switched Swish and Granderson…I guess I forgot what the regular line up was

  37. Bronx Jeers April 28th, 2010 at 4:27 pm

    “He was awesome in the Major League movies.”

    A gig I’m sure he landed because of his talents in the booth. I’d say it’s a pretty safe bet that they just let him go off the cuff for his dialogue. The guy’s just funny.

  38. Betsy - Hughes rules (Pleading the Fifth) April 28th, 2010 at 4:28 pm

    He was awesome in Mr. Belvedere, lol.

  39. Ken April 28th, 2010 at 4:28 pm

    Michael Kay is a Torre hater because Toree snubbed Kay years ago. Kay still hasnt forgotten it and likes to gloat over Joe’s failures.

  40. rodg12 April 28th, 2010 at 4:29 pm

    Erica -

    Current roster size is 33. They added one more player this year.

  41. Betsy - Hughes rules (Pleading the Fifth) April 28th, 2010 at 4:30 pm

    Muffin, a huge threat. I never thought the Yankees were going to dominate this year, and now with Javy’s struggles and the pen, plus Price’s emergence, I feel it will be a dogfight all the way. The Sox are still in it as well – do not count them out with that pitching (and they’ve been hitting as well). The Yankees are a very good team, but this is a division with 3 very good teams.

  42. I am a Fat Walrus April 28th, 2010 at 4:31 pm

    Juuuuusssttt a bit outside…..

  43. Matthew April 28th, 2010 at 4:32 pm

    Kay looks pretty childish disparaging Torre.

    Without Torre, we are still stuck on 23 rings. I like Girardi, but a monkey could have won with that roster. What did Girardi do in 08 when he didn’t have a loaded roster? We had the worst August record in 15 years and fell out of the race.

    Any manager would look good when your GM spends .5 billion dollars and brings in the best players on the market.

    Funny how the guy writes a little book and everyone forgets he is a HOF manager.

  44. Ken April 28th, 2010 at 4:32 pm

    Who is Rona Barrett ?? Is that whatr Kay is ticked about ???

  45. Erica - always OPPC - Sesame Street Mafia and GTLU supporter April 28th, 2010 at 4:33 pm

    rodg12 April 28th, 2010 at 4:29 pm
    Erica -

    Current roster size is 33. They added one more player this year.

    ***************

    Thank you. That makes a bit more sense. LOL

  46. Tom B - The Phranchise begins in 2010. April 28th, 2010 at 4:34 pm

    There is no reason to worry about the Rays, all we can do is beat them when we play them and win our games.

    I don’t give the Rays an edge over the Yankees in any facet of the team, speed power defense… I think we trump them in all.

  47. Pat M. April 28th, 2010 at 4:36 pm

    You wonder if Kay gets the LA Dodgers / NY Yankees assignment come June ???? It’s going to receive National exposure on many fronts……..Think Joe Torre will grant The Fordham Ram an interview ???? Tickets for that series on Stub Hub are insanely high…..

  48. NYYROC April 28th, 2010 at 4:36 pm

    Rona Barret was a Hollywood gossip columnist.

  49. muffinstump April 28th, 2010 at 4:37 pm

    betsy,

    i’ve watched the red sox develop, but not the rays–except for head-to-head play with the yanks. price is a competitor, true. does he have the innings under his belt to pitch all season like he is now? how’s their pen? wasn’t that supposed to be an ongoing weakness for the rays?

    the yanks have so many resources to solidify their/our pen. as long as hughes pitches well, the yanks can deal with javy and/or his spot in the rotation, imo.

  50. Erin April 28th, 2010 at 4:37 pm

    ed_price Why did it take this long for MLB to figure out that there’s no reason for pitchers to EVER bat in the All-Star Game?

  51. Erica - always OPPC - Sesame Street Mafia and GTLU supporter April 28th, 2010 at 4:37 pm

    Every move I made so far for Erica’s Avengers this week has been wrong.

    I put heath Bell in my reserves cause he never pitched and now he has two saves this week.

    Two of my pitchers got bombed last night.

    Bad, bad week for the Avengers!!! :mad:

  52. Warning Track Power April 28th, 2010 at 4:39 pm

    muffin-at this point, the rays are a much larger threat then the red sox.

  53. Ian April 28th, 2010 at 4:39 pm

    Tampa is absolutely a legit threat. Price is pitching like a frontline starter, not the #4 that he was projected to be. When you push Shields to #2, Garza to #3, Niemenn to #4… that rotation looks outstanding. Their lineup is excellent as well, considerably better than Boston’s. And they can match us across the board for most positions as well.

    Their pen is shaky. But so is ours. So is Bostons. Tampa had to get off to a good start and play from in front and they are doing just that. Not saying we can’t catch them, but don’t expect it to be easy. We are better but they are still very very good.

    And I still haven’t dug Boston’s grave… lots of mediocre/bad teams in the AL… they will get fat on them (which is what we should be doing)….

  54. bodhisattva - Destiny Wears Pinstripes April 28th, 2010 at 4:40 pm

    Who’s on the hill for O’s?

  55. Jerkface April 28th, 2010 at 4:40 pm

    Without Torre, we are still stuck on 23 rings. I like Girardi, but a monkey could have won with that roster. What did Girardi do in 08 when he didn?t have a loaded roster? We had the worst August record in 15 years and fell out of the race.

    Any manager would look good when your GM spends .5 billion dollars and brings in the best players on the market.

    Funny how the guy writes a little book and everyone forgets he is a HOF manager.

    You do not know that. The Yankees still had the best payroll when Torre was manager, and he had a great team developed by Showalter and Michaels.

    The 08 team actually had a less loaded team due to injuries. The ‘playing payroll’ was less than 170 mil.

  56. Sarah April 28th, 2010 at 4:41 pm

    Saying I don’t post often would be an understatement, but as a Red Sox fan, I find it more appropriate to read than respond. With that said, I always enjoy the Jimmy Fund Telethon done by the Red Sox each year, but it pales in comparison to Hope Week, which is something I wish every team around baseball adopted for their area. Kudos to the Yankees and their front office.

  57. NYYROC April 28th, 2010 at 4:41 pm

    Guthrie pitching for the O’s tonight.

  58. Betsy - Hughes rules (Pleading the Fifth) April 28th, 2010 at 4:42 pm

    Muffin, the Rays’ pen is a weak link, but right now, that’s the case with the Yankees. I’ve never been a big fan of their pen; it’s ok, but nothing special except for Mo.

    It’s too early to say if Price will pitch like this all year, but he’s sure off to a good start. The Yankees advantage in their rotation is depth; if Javy isn’t going to be good (way too early to say that), then their rotation is merely good. IMO, the Sox front 3 are better than the Yankees and now they have Buchholz pitching well. Granted, who knows if he’ll keep it up……I don’t think the Sox as constituted are as good as the Yanks or Rays, but they’re still very dangerous and they will not stand still.

  59. DT 199 April 28th, 2010 at 4:42 pm

    Torre basically accused Kay of being a Buck Showalter schill and trying to make Torre look bad, without any basis. He called him out in front of the whole team.

    Can’t blame Kay for holding a grudge against Torre. Why forgive a guy who questioned your integrity in public for no reason? Torre was extremely paranoid… he thought the YES Network was out to get him, even Kim Jones.

  60. bodhisattva - Destiny Wears Pinstripes April 28th, 2010 at 4:42 pm

    Our pen is not shaky.

    Anyone saying Tampa isn’t legit is in for a rude awakening. Their pen IS shaky – that’s good news, because they’re a helluva club otherwise.

  61. muffinstump April 28th, 2010 at 4:43 pm

    # Ken April 28th, 2010 at 4:32 pm

    Who is Rona Barrett ?? Is that whatr Kay is ticked about ???
    ***********************

    as roc said, a gossip columnist. key is that she was popular back before gossip became ubiquitous in the “news,” back when folks had too much pride to earn their living that way or be caught reading the stuff.

  62. trisha - OPPC member who sees, hears, and knows all. 28 is on its way!!!!! April 28th, 2010 at 4:43 pm

    I just watched Tyler Clippard face Xavier Nady to get the final out of the 8th inning in Chicago. Tyler has been tremendous.

    And now my Nats are trying the close out the bottom of the 9th.

    They have been incredible! If they win today they will be 2 games over 500. I don’t remember the last time the Nats were 2 games over 500.

    :)

  63. Betsy - Hughes rules (Pleading the Fifth) April 28th, 2010 at 4:44 pm

    Granderson will be fine, he’s just in a slump, but NJ has disappointed me. I mean, I know he’s going to hit, but IMO, he’s more interested in walking; he’s simply not aggressive enough.

  64. tex's friend April 28th, 2010 at 4:44 pm

    What did Girardi do in 08 when he didn?t have a loaded roster? We had the worst August record in 15 years and fell out of the race.

    ___

    In 08′ we had 2 starting pitchers healthy (Moose and Andy (who was hurt also). Still has 89 wins. If tampa was good in the late 90s, who’s to say yankees win 4 titles.

  65. muffinstump April 28th, 2010 at 4:44 pm

    # Tom B – The Phranchise begins in 2010. April 28th, 2010 at 4:34 pm

    There is no reason to worry about the Rays, all we can do is beat them when we play them and win our games.

    I don’t give the Rays an edge over the Yankees in any facet of the team, speed power defense… I think we trump them in all.
    **************

    tom,

    power, yes.

    speed, really?

  66. PC Dan April 28th, 2010 at 4:45 pm

    Yanks/Dodgers is on FOX on Saturday (in primetime)

    Sunday will likely be on ESPN (they have not announced a primetime game for that night yet, you know its going to be NY/LAD. The Boston/San Fran game is already listed at 4 PM on Sunday, so that won’t be it).

    So YES will only get 1 game in that series

  67. Betsy - Hughes rules (Pleading the Fifth) April 28th, 2010 at 4:45 pm

    Bodh, I completely disagree about our pen.

  68. Ken April 28th, 2010 at 4:45 pm

    I liked Kay better when he was a play by play guy on WABC. In recent years he’s become another egomaniac like Francessa except he doesnt have the pull or ratings that Francessa has.

  69. Betsy - Hughes rules (Pleading the Fifth) April 28th, 2010 at 4:45 pm

    I also didn’t get why people thought the Yankees would blow this division open; it’s not happening as the Rays are too good for that. I’m not saying the Yankees won’t win, but they’re going to have to work very hard to do it.

  70. muffinstump April 28th, 2010 at 4:50 pm

    jerkface,

    (love the moniker, btw. :) )

    showalter and the front office never got the credit deserved for putting the team on the winning track. if he hadn’t been dumped, the ’95 and ’98 teams would have been just as good, imo.

  71. I am a Fat Walrus April 28th, 2010 at 4:50 pm

    Clippard has been outstanding this year as a reliever. 17 innings pitched, 20 K, ERA of about a half run. Good for him.

  72. GreenBeret7 April 28th, 2010 at 4:50 pm

    NYYROC April 28th, 2010 at 4:36 pm
    Rona Barret was a Hollywood gossip columnist.

    ———————————————————————————————————————-

    A perfect qualification for a NY sports writer. Add Hedda Hopper and Luella Parsons and you have Loopyca, Matthews and Sherman in dresses.

  73. trisha - OPPC member who sees, hears, and knows all. 28 is on its way!!!!! April 28th, 2010 at 4:51 pm

    The Nats just won the game. And Matt Capps (my closer on my fantasy team also) just got his 10th save of the season, to lead the majors.

    This is why I believe in all possibilities when it comes to baseball – except for anyone beating out the Yankees and the Suxers doing well. :D

    Who would have thought that the 34th ranked closer would be leading the majors in saves and the 2nd ranked closer would be at the bottom of the pile. (I have them both on my fantasy team. Thank God for the 34th ranked closer.)

    :)

  74. tampayank April 28th, 2010 at 4:52 pm

    Derek Jeter SS
    Nick Johnson DL
    Mark Teixeira 1B
    Alex Rodriguez 3B
    Robinson Cano 2B
    Jorge Posada C
    Curtis Granderson CF
    Nick Swisher RF
    Brett Gardner LF

    LHP CC Sabathia

  75. Kevlar April 28th, 2010 at 4:53 pm

    Tamps is built very similarly to us – They can throw out a good starter every game. Good is putting it lightly…. Price/Shields/Garza/Niemenn and CC/AJ/Andy/Hughes are excellent.

    Both teams are going to finish at the top of the AL in runs scored.

    Both teams have ? marks in their pen but have the starting pitching to where it can be masked somewhat.

    I still don’t know what to make of Boston.

  76. Betsy - Hughes rules (Pleading the Fifth) April 28th, 2010 at 4:54 pm

    Showalter was a control freak; I don’t know that he would have won for as long as Joe did….or if he even would have won one WS. We’ll never know.

  77. Ken April 28th, 2010 at 4:54 pm

    Clippard wont keep this up. Yes hes on a hot streak but talk to me in another month or two. The Yankees made the right decission in letting him go.

  78. muffinstump April 28th, 2010 at 4:54 pm

    dt 199,

    is it paranoia if the suspicion is true? torre was targeted by yes shills who answered to one or two folks in the yankee front office. (who’s that vp that everyone loves to hate?) kim jones was forced to ask planted questions to torre in the postgame show, questions that would undermine torre, question his judgment calls, etc.

  79. bodhisattva - Destiny Wears Pinstripes April 28th, 2010 at 4:55 pm

    Betsy,

    There is no such thing as a bulletproof pen. They are, by definition, changeable.

    The point is, the Yankees have talented arms that have enjoyed success out of the bullpen.

    The Yankees also have arms they can summon from the minors, in the event of protracted individual struggles.

    That’s why defining the pen as shaky is just way, way off.

    It’s all relative, too. We compete in the AL East. Would you like to exchange our bullpen for Boston’s? Tampa’s?

    My question is, whose bullpen are you comparing ours with, that makes you think ours is shaky?
    What is your idea of a bulletproof pen?

  80. Warning Track Power April 28th, 2010 at 4:56 pm

    PC Dan-I read somewhere that in May, the Yankees vs mets will have a Sat night prime time telecast on Fox. Have you read that?

  81. 7789 April 28th, 2010 at 4:56 pm

    DT 199 April 28th, 2010 at 4:42 pm
    Torre basically accused Kay of being a Buck Showalter schill and trying to make Torre look bad, without any basis. He called him out in front of the whole team.

    Can’t blame Kay for holding a grudge against Torre. Why forgive a guy who questioned your integrity in public for no reason? Torre was extremely paranoid… he thought the YES Network was out to get him, even Kim Jones.

    ———————————————-

    I agree Torre publicly embarrased Kay I dont blame him for ripping Joe when he gets the chance. And Torre did have a brutal series I cant believe he intentionaly walked Gary Matthews JR LOL.

  82. tampayank April 28th, 2010 at 4:56 pm

    I would wait to judge the bullpens

  83. bodhisattva - Destiny Wears Pinstripes April 28th, 2010 at 4:57 pm

    Kevlar April 28th, 2010 at 4:53 pm
    Tamps is built very similarly to us – They can throw out a good starter every game. Good is putting it lightly…. Price/Shields/Garza/Niemenn and CC/AJ/Andy/Hughes are excellent.

    Both teams are going to finish at the top of the AL in runs scored.

    Both teams have ? marks in their pen but have the starting pitching to where it can be masked somewhat.

    I still don’t know what to make of Boston.
    ====

    I do – Boston ain’t making the postseason, barring some sort of unforseeable injury issues for NY or Tampa.

    I just can’t see the Yanks and Tampa not being in the postseason. One will win the division – hopefully, us – the other will be the WC.

    They’re just too superior to what else is out there.

  84. Hobbs April 28th, 2010 at 4:58 pm

    sweep by baltimore

  85. Betsy - Hughes rules (Pleading the Fifth) April 28th, 2010 at 4:59 pm

    Bodh, right now the pen is shaky and I do not have the unshakeable faith in Melancon (who I assume is the one you were referring to) that you do. All the other arms the Yanks could bring up are completely unproven. I’m not asking for a bulletproof pen, but IMO it’s “ok” and could be a lot better.

  86. jz April 28th, 2010 at 5:00 pm

    “Kay taking a shot at Torre: “We are now seeing that Joe Torre, without great players, is just an average manager.””

    Good! quote of the day!

    I hope they can win one game from current series.

  87. bodhisattva - Destiny Wears Pinstripes April 28th, 2010 at 5:00 pm

    tampayank April 28th, 2010 at 4:56 pm
    I would wait to judge the bullpens
    ===

    Absolutely, and in the Yankees’ case, I’m going to err on the side of positivity. You just never know about the BP, it’s a volatile thing – so what is it based on? Talent and depth. That’s just realism – the Yanks have some very good arms and they have depth to bolster the unit.

  88. muffinstump April 28th, 2010 at 5:00 pm

    # Betsy – Hughes rules (Pleading the Fifth) April 28th, 2010 at 4:54 pm

    Showalter was a control freak; I don’t know that he would have won for as long as Joe did….or if he even would have won one WS. We’ll never know.
    ****************

    betsy,

    true! and that may be the best argument for a different outcome under torre.

    re the rays, i hope their pitching won’t hold up over the long haul of the season. otherwise, i agree with you, the yanks are in trouble and will be dogged by tampa all season–although i still hold out more hope for call ups (for the pen) and mid-season acquisitions on the yank’s side.

  89. Tim April 28th, 2010 at 5:01 pm

    IMO, the only reason Cash called Torre’s book “garbage” was cause a lot of the contents was true and he didn’t like how Joe aired it out.

    Joe had no reason to lie. The problem is that everyone in the org was jealous of him that he got all the credit.

  90. m April 28th, 2010 at 5:02 pm

    Sarah,

    That was very sweet.

    Don’t be shy, we don’t bite visitors. Just each other. :P

  91. Jerkface April 28th, 2010 at 5:02 pm

    No one has a bullet proof pen. The yankees are in a good position because their current pen is full of relievers with a bit of a track record and the tools to succeed.

    And there are a lot of guys in the minors with potential to fill in.

    Not many teams can say that.

  92. jz April 28th, 2010 at 5:03 pm

    Torre should not receive all the credits.
    As I said before, he should have been fired after 2005 season.

    Fans should boo him when he walks into Yankee Stadium.

  93. Betsy - Hughes rules (Pleading the Fifth) April 28th, 2010 at 5:03 pm

    Muffin, I’m not saying the Yankees are in trouble, but just that I don’t expect them to dominate.

  94. muffinstump April 28th, 2010 at 5:03 pm

    warning track,

    so the rays are a bigger threat. what do you know about their team vis-a-vis sox or yanks?

  95. Betsy - Hughes rules (Pleading the Fifth) April 28th, 2010 at 5:04 pm

    Jerkface, I’m not holding my breath on help from the minors; we have no idea what they would give us.

  96. trisha - OPPC member who sees, hears, and knows all. 28 is on its way!!!!! April 28th, 2010 at 5:04 pm

    Walrus, Jim Riggleman had Tyler pitch the 8th inning to set up Matt Capps. I am thinking that it might become his permanent job. Capps has the most saves in the majors and Livan Hernandez has the 2nd lowest ERA. Can you imagine how exciting it has to be for the guys on that team to be playing the kind of ball they are?

    I have to think that having Pudge as their catcher has a lot to do with it. He’s a veteran who knows how to call games and how to work with his pitchers, and except for Livan, it’s a pretty young staff.

    To me, this is great for baseball. I just love watching the have-not teams achieve.

    :)

  97. Betsy - Hughes rules (Pleading the Fifth) April 28th, 2010 at 5:05 pm

    Also, my comment about Buck was only about Buck and had nothing to do with Torre; I’ve nothing left to say about Torre at this point.

  98. Erin April 28th, 2010 at 5:05 pm

    Ledger_Yankees Granderson, mired in an 0-for-17 slump, says he’s not worried. Figures things will turn around.

  99. Jerkface April 28th, 2010 at 5:05 pm

    Jerkface, I?m not holding my breath on help from the minors; we have no idea what they would give us

    The same can be said of any reliever, not sure what your stance is on this issue.
    You’re worried about the pen? But you don’t think anyone can help them? So really they can only help themselves?

    Expound

  100. Erin April 28th, 2010 at 5:06 pm

    m April 28th, 2010 at 5:02 pm
    Sarah,

    That was very sweet.

    Don?t be shy, we don?t bite visitors. Just each other.

    ********************
    LOL

  101. trisha - OPPC member who sees, hears, and knows all. 28 is on its way!!!!! April 28th, 2010 at 5:06 pm

    ?Kay taking a shot at Torre: We are now seeing that Joe Torre, without great players, is just an average manager.?

    Hmmm.

    :)

  102. jz April 28th, 2010 at 5:08 pm

    scott proctor should sue Torre.

    LOL

  103. tex's friend April 28th, 2010 at 5:08 pm

    just a note. im my work pool, i have the nats winning the wild card. they are making me happy so far.

  104. GreenBeret7 April 28th, 2010 at 5:08 pm

    If the Yankees were thinking about Melancon as a future closer right now, Albaladejo wouldn’t be closing for Scranton. The eventual closer is pitching for Tampa Yanks.

  105. muffinstump April 28th, 2010 at 5:08 pm

    betsy,

    i’ll give you props for your earlier caution re the season. Before these last few losses, many fans were all about how the yanks were going to waltz into another postseason.

  106. jz April 28th, 2010 at 5:09 pm

    Under Torre, Yankee players were happy to be Boston pitchers’ punch bags.

  107. muffinstump April 28th, 2010 at 5:10 pm

    gb7,

    who’s that?

  108. Warning Track Power April 28th, 2010 at 5:11 pm

    muffin-as of today, i think the red sox are old, their key players are old and their overall team is old. father time has caught up to that team.
    the Yankees are rays are much more athletic, younger and have key players that are producing and will continue to produce as the season goes on.
    nothing about the sox scares me.
    i can’t say the same about the rays.

  109. Jerkface April 28th, 2010 at 5:11 pm

    The eventual closer is pitching for Tampa Yanks.

    I see you’ve caught venditte fever

  110. Patrick April 28th, 2010 at 5:11 pm

    Michael Kay is an idiot and he hates Joe Torre. Who cares what he says?

  111. bodhisattva - Destiny Wears Pinstripes April 28th, 2010 at 5:11 pm

    Betsy – Hughes rules (Pleading the Fifth) April 28th, 2010 at 4:59 pm
    Bodh, right now the pen is shaky and I do not have the unshakeable faith in Melancon (who I assume is the one you were referring to) that you do. All the other arms the Yanks could bring up are completely unproven. I’m not asking for a bulletproof pen, but IMO it’s “ok” and could be a lot better.
    ====

    Hold on, now Bets – is it shaky, or “ok”? Qualitative difference, no?

    I’m not getting into the Melancon discussion again, because I haven’t heard you say one thing on a practical level that would lead me to believe you have a substantive basis for your skepticism about him.

    Despite the long arm action and the sometimes early break on the CB that’s been discussed here and elsewhere, Melancon has great sink, a ton of movement on his fastball, can throw the CB and change and is nearly always a ground ball away from getting out of trouble. He reads bats well and is a thinking pitcher. He can do short or long for us, which makes him very versatile.

    Based on your standard refrain of how you don’t “trust” him, I’m not aware of anything concrete you can offer in terms of criticism of him, and how you would justify that lack of “trust.” If you’ve got something new to tell me about him, by all means, I am all ears.

    Melancon isn’t the only arm I’m thinking of. DLR is another lefty we could call up if need be – and we’ve already got two to work with. The Yanks also have unlimited resources, if they want an “experienced” arm.

    If Javy pulls it together, where do you think Hughes is going? Quite a nifty way to refresh and deepen your bullpen for the postseason, wouldn’t you say?

  112. Betsy - Hughes rules (Pleading the Fifth) April 28th, 2010 at 5:12 pm

    Jerkface, I’m not saying arms from the minors can’t help, but it’s not a good idea to count on them. Park’s injury is hurting us – and who knows when he’ll be back?

    Muffin, that’s just my nature to be cautious. The Yankees are a very good team and I have faith in them, but that’s about as far as I can go

  113. Doreen - GTLU Standings & Rules April 28th, 2010 at 5:12 pm

    Seems to me it always takes about 4-6 weeks for the pen to get its sea legs. It’s all about the balance of the work. In years past it’s been about getting too much work; this season, they’ve gotten just a little too little work. By the time the season gets going in full swing – no random off days – more of a flow, the pen will be fine. All those arms have proven themselves and are talented.

    This is one are where the Yankees can certainly make some changes if necessary – remember the Scranton express – to get just the right mix.

    I’m not worried about the pen – at least not yet.

  114. Betsy - Hughes rules (Pleading the Fifth) April 28th, 2010 at 5:13 pm

    Who’s talking about the post-season, Bodh? Let’s get there first…

  115. Erica - always OPPC - Sesame Street Mafia and GTLU supporter April 28th, 2010 at 5:13 pm

    Leaving work now!!

    Won’t be home until the middle of the game tonight.

    Bye for now Yankee people!

  116. GreenBeret7 April 28th, 2010 at 5:14 pm

    muffinstump April 28th, 2010 at 5:10 pm
    gb7,

    who’s that?

    ———————————————————————————————————————-

    Brackman. Venditte will be little than a late season attraction for NYYs. He’ll end up going in a trade within a year or two.

  117. Jerkface April 28th, 2010 at 5:15 pm

    Guys who might get looks, even if its as a garbage time reliever:

    Sanchez, WDLR, Whelan, Melancon, Igawa (LOL), Hirsch, Nova, Sanit, Ring

  118. tex's friend April 28th, 2010 at 5:15 pm

    brackman will be our future closer?

  119. bodhisattva - Destiny Wears Pinstripes April 28th, 2010 at 5:16 pm

    Patrick April 28th, 2010 at 5:11 pm
    Michael Kay is an idiot and he hates Joe Torre. Who cares what he says?
    ====

    Michael Kay is a wannabe. He wants to be Derek Jeter, which he eventually comes ’round to implying just about every time he opens his mouth. He is as tedious and transparent as they come.

  120. XJ April 28th, 2010 at 5:19 pm

    I actually like Kays radio show. Just hate him as the play by play guy for the yanks he is awful.

  121. muffinstump April 28th, 2010 at 5:20 pm

    Warning Track Power April 28th, 2010 at 5:11 pm

    muffin-as of today, i think the red sox are old, their key players are old and their overall team is old. father time has caught up to that team.
    the Yankees are rays are much more athletic, younger and have key players that are producing and will continue to produce as the season goes on.
    nothing about the sox scares me.
    i can’t say the same about the rays.
    *********************************

    good point. okay, so ortis and veritek are in decline. not too worried about current composition of the sox.

    yanks are aging, too, though. jete’s range at second seems to have regressed to pre-09 levels. don’t think that a.j. will out perform his last year’s stats. nick-the-stick’s health won’t hold all year. i think we’ll really miss johnny d/matsui.

  122. bodhisattva - Destiny Wears Pinstripes April 28th, 2010 at 5:20 pm

    Jerkface April 28th, 2010 at 5:15 pm
    Guys who might get looks, even if its as a garbage time reliever:

    Sanchez, WDLR, Whelan, Melancon, Igawa (LOL), Hirsch, Nova, Sanit, Ring
    ====

    All these guys are possibilities. The point is, no one has “proven’ arms for innings 6-9. It’s just ridiculous.
    ====

    GB7, I don’t know what prompted the Melancon as Closer remark – might have missed a post or two (I’m in a Cosi in North Jersey trying to hear myself think over the chatter of high school kids who have suddenly taken over the place) – but I really like Melancon as a guy to come in and induce a groundball to get us out of dodge.

    I know the middle innings guys don’t get much respect, but if that’s the game’s point of crisis, I like Melancon in that role a lot, because you can bring him back for another inning or two.

  123. trisha - OPPC member who sees, hears, and knows all. 28 is on its way!!!!! April 28th, 2010 at 5:22 pm

    Just for the record, I’m still calling for the Yankees to run away with the division.

    But then I don’t scare easily.

    :)

  124. bodhisattva - Destiny Wears Pinstripes April 28th, 2010 at 5:23 pm

    tex’s friend April 28th, 2010 at 5:15 pm
    brackman will be our future closer?
    ===

    That’s been discussed for about two years now. Sure, why not? He gets his velo/command in order, and throws that good curve, he’s well-suited to short relief. It would be nice to see him make it as a starter, though.

    Betances threw off a mound the other day and was reportedly 92-95. Nice to see.

  125. Nick in SF in Petaluma, CA April 28th, 2010 at 5:23 pm

    Joe Torre is going to get booed at Yankee Stadium on Joe Torre Day?

    That would be funny, sort of.

  126. pat April 28th, 2010 at 5:24 pm

    Ledger_Yankees Jim Palmer was just chatting with Phil Hughes. At age 23, Palmer went 16-4 with a 2.34. At age 24, Palmer went 20-10 with a 2.71.

  127. bodhisattva - Destiny Wears Pinstripes April 28th, 2010 at 5:26 pm

    XJ April 28th, 2010 at 5:19 pm
    I actually like Kays radio show. Just hate him as the play by play guy for the yanks he is awful.
    ====

    Agree his “talents” harmonize better with talk radio. He’s also very respectful to his callers, and seems genuinely interested in their points, to be fair, unlike that blowhard on the rival station, who leaps at something his Piltdown mind can dumb down enough to comprehend, demeans and hangs up on the caller to make his point.

    Kay is just too unable to harness his own insecurities and yearnings for me.

  128. Warning Track Power April 28th, 2010 at 5:28 pm

    another segment where Kay is discussing the mets.
    i thought NYC was the Yankees town

  129. muffinstump April 28th, 2010 at 5:28 pm

    gb7,

    wasn’t brackman been struggling in lower a ball last year? what’s up with him this year that gives hope, and how soon might he contribute at the big league level?

  130. muffinstump April 28th, 2010 at 5:30 pm

    trisha – OPPC member who sees, hears, and knows all. 28 is on its way!!!!! April 28th, 2010 at 5:22 pm

    Just for the record, I’m still calling for the Yankees to run away with the division.
    ******************

    so whatever happen to that optimist prime club? are you bringing it back?

  131. bodhisattva - Destiny Wears Pinstripes April 28th, 2010 at 5:30 pm

    Gotta run. See your reply later, Betsy. :D

  132. GreenBeret7 April 28th, 2010 at 5:30 pm

    Bodh, so far in his minor league and limited ML career, Melancon just throws too many pitches. That’s not a comfortable feeling. You almost never see him in back to back games. He’s more of a long man type/multiple innings guy, or, at least in the minors. Low walks and high strikeouts in the minors. Not sure what he’s going to do in the MLs, but, I don’t think it’s as a closer for the Yanks. Of course, I’ve been wrong a lot of times.

  133. Warning Track Power April 28th, 2010 at 5:30 pm

    speaking of the minors, MLB Network is scheduled to air this game next month:
    May 19 Scranton/Wilkes Barre @ Indianapolis 11:00am

  134. Betsy - Hughes rules (Pleading the Fifth) April 28th, 2010 at 5:31 pm

    Ooh, I love hearing that. I know Palmer likes Phil and Phil is apparently always interested in talking about pitching; I would kill to be a fly on that wall.

    Trish, are you planning on coming to NY this spring?

  135. Betsy - Hughes rules (Pleading the Fifth) April 28th, 2010 at 5:31 pm

    By Bodh!! :)

  136. Betsy - Hughes rules (Pleading the Fifth) April 28th, 2010 at 5:31 pm

    By Bodh!! :)

  137. Jerkface April 28th, 2010 at 5:32 pm

    Bodh, so far in his minor league and limited ML career, Melancon just throws too many pitches.

    I don’t think this is true at all. I follow the DOTF Rab updates (with all the minor league stats) and Melancon is routinely sitting around 13-16 pitches per inning, and going multiple innings (which the yankees do with all their good relief prospects to stretch them out). His ability to strike out and induce ground balls has given him a real good efficiency in his career

  138. LGY April 28th, 2010 at 5:34 pm

    Torre giveth, but he also taketh away.

    To use Matthew’s language, a monkey would NOT have made some of the moves Torre made towards the end of his tenure, particularly in 2004 and his treatment of A-Rod.

  139. Betsy - Hughes rules (Pleading the Fifth) April 28th, 2010 at 5:34 pm

    MRI on Park revealed nothing new about his hamstring. He’s just not progressing as fast as the Yankees had hoped.
    9 minutes ago via TweetDeck

  140. Betsy - Hughes rules (Pleading the Fifth) April 28th, 2010 at 5:34 pm

    MRI on Park revealed nothing new about his hamstring. He’s just not progressing as fast as the Yankees had hoped.
    9 minutes ago via TweetDeck

  141. pat April 28th, 2010 at 5:34 pm

    Ledger_Yankees MRI on Park revealed nothing new about his hamstring. He’s just not progressing as fast as the Yankees had hoped.

  142. Betsy - Hughes rules (Pleading the Fifth) April 28th, 2010 at 5:35 pm

    Oops, that’s from the Ledger tweet (Carig)

  143. CB April 28th, 2010 at 5:35 pm

    No hot chocolate. Just brutal.

  144. GreenBeret7 April 28th, 2010 at 5:36 pm

    muffinstump April 28th, 2010 at 5:28 pm
    gb7,

    wasn’t brackman been struggling in lower a ball last year? what’s up with him this year that gives hope, and how soon might he contribute at the big league level?

    ———————————————————————————————————————-

    He has so few innings in college and minor league ball that he’s never been able to develop a consistant set of mechanics to get him more than an inning or two before getting out of wack.. He was great in his final 10 games in relief last year just pitching 1 inning at a time. He was nearly unhittable and barely walked anybody. With his inexperience and at his height, not sure he has time to fix it before he starts running out of ML options. I think that he has to be on the 25 man roster by 2011 or 2012.

  145. Nick in SF in Petaluma, CA April 28th, 2010 at 5:36 pm

    Torre’s abuse of the monkey was brutal. :(

  146. Patrick April 28th, 2010 at 5:36 pm

    All this talk about Torre and his shortcomings … I don’t think he’s any worse than Girardi is.

  147. RMS April 28th, 2010 at 5:37 pm

    Kay is terrible on Yankee games. Getting a case of Sterlingitis, calling fly balls like there going out of the park.
    Best duo were Singleton and Cone. Now it’s Singleton and Flaherty.

  148. Jerkface April 28th, 2010 at 5:38 pm

    Torre’s bullpen management sucked. Lineup construction is a wash because its hard to mess up. I like Girardi’s overall attitude better. Torre walked to the mound slow.

    Girardi so far doesn’t seem to have alienated certain players, and has worked to foster a better clubhouse atmosphere. That is worth something right there.

  149. muffinstump April 28th, 2010 at 5:39 pm

    # Nick in SF in Petaluma, CA April 28th, 2010 at 5:36 pm

    Torre’s abuse of the monkey was brutal. :(
    **********************

    lol

  150. Carl April 28th, 2010 at 5:40 pm

    # RMS April 28th, 2010 at 5:37 pm

    Kay is terrible on Yankee games. Getting a case of Sterlingitis, calling fly balls like there going out of the park.
    Best duo were Singleton and Cone. Now it’s Singleton and Flaherty.

    Kay > Flaherty. Flaherty is boring.

  151. muffinstump April 28th, 2010 at 5:40 pm

    thanks for the info, gb.

    so, how’s brackman doing thus far this season?

  152. Patrick April 28th, 2010 at 5:40 pm

    First of all, I don’t know how much a manager really effects the game. Second of all, Girardi has his share of shortcomings too. He is horrible at managing a bullpen, gives away outs in the form of bunts, basically he embodies all the “classic” manager qualities made famous by TLR.

  153. Jerkface April 28th, 2010 at 5:42 pm

    I think Girardi owns at bullpen management, agree to disagree.

  154. pat April 28th, 2010 at 5:42 pm

    Derek will have to do his Suzyn Waldman impression to broker a peace accord between Joe Torre and the Yankee organization if it’s going to happen.

    Torre said this week it’s not on the top of his To Do list and the Yankees don’t have urgency to put it on theirs.

    Time heals wounds but sometimes scars remain. :sad:

  155. Jerkface April 28th, 2010 at 5:42 pm

    Also he looks way cooler than Torre because he stands up to watch the game.

  156. muffinstump April 28th, 2010 at 5:42 pm

    # RMS April 28th, 2010 at 5:37 pm

    Kay is terrible on Yankee games. Getting a case of Sterlingitis, calling fly balls like there going out of the park.
    Best duo were Singleton and Cone. Now it’s Singleton and Flaherty.
    ***********

    best is singleton and leiter. (used to be singleton and kitty.)

  157. Nick in SF in Petaluma, CA April 28th, 2010 at 5:42 pm

    Turnover at the top is good. Girardi has vigor

  158. Jerkface April 28th, 2010 at 5:43 pm

    Girardi has real human empathy. Torre is a sociopath.

  159. LGY April 28th, 2010 at 5:45 pm

    Betsy,

    The pen has not been so much shaky, but inconsistent. And a lot of that inconsistency is coming from erratic work. Joba is also still get used to his role in the BP and building arm strength out there. All of those guys out there have looked great at various times this season and in their career. Once they get settled in out there in some sort of role and start getting regular work, the pieces will fall into place. And to be honest, with how good this rotation looks the pen being deep does not seem like it is going to be a major factor. Mo and Ace have looked very good so far. They basically just need one more guy to step up at this point and take over the non-Mo important innings like Hughes did last year and they will have a lock-down pen.

    The bottom line is that even Logan and Melancon would be major parts of the Sox and Rays bullpen right now. One of those guys for the Yankees is in the minors and the other is one of the last guys in the pen. I mean, the Sox have been throwing Scott Atchinson out there on a regular basis and they do not seem to have any internal solutions.

  160. GreenBeret7 April 28th, 2010 at 5:45 pm

    Once Nelson and Stanton were gone, who did NYY have in the bullpen besides Rivera that wasn’t washed up or had their own chapters in Gray’s Anatomy?

  161. Doreen - GTLU Standings & Rules April 28th, 2010 at 5:46 pm

    Whoa, Patrick.

    He has excelled at managing a bullpen in his first two years here. Just because you don’t like what he’s doing so far this season with the pen is not an indication that it’s weakness of his. Part of it is, if the guys do their job, there’s no problem.

    But, I kind of agree about how much a manager affects most games. I think most managers are as good as the teams they manage, with varying areas of strength or weakness. A really bad manager will ruin a good team; a really good manager will get more out of a mediocre team than people would think possible.

    I thought Torre was a good manager in his way; I think Girardi is a good manager in his own way. Since the players are constantly changing, it’s very difficult to judge managers against one another. I think for manager of the year purposes, they look for a guy who did more with less.

  162. Carl April 28th, 2010 at 5:47 pm

    # GreenBeret7 April 28th, 2010 at 5:45 pm

    Once Nelson and Stanton were gone, who did NYY have in the bullpen besides Rivera that wasn’t washed up or had their own chapters in Gray’s Anatomy?

    Torre blew their arms out.

    http://riveraveblues.com/2009/.....pen-15798/

  163. Judge Smails April 28th, 2010 at 5:47 pm

    Tom Gordon?

  164. CB April 28th, 2010 at 5:49 pm

    No hot chocolate may mean no more Cesc for the Gunners.

  165. CRAWDADDY (Boycott ESPN-NY) April 28th, 2010 at 5:49 pm

    Let’s remember that it isn’t fair to compare Girardi to Torre because one has just begun his managerial career while the other is nearing the end of his career. Torre was probably a lot different manager with the Braves than he is now with the Dodgers.

  166. Giuseppe Franco April 28th, 2010 at 5:49 pm

    I don’t agree with every single move Girardi does either but I don’t think there’s any doubt he can manage a bullpen better than Torre did.

    Girardi is much better at spreading the work around instead of using the same guy night after night.

  167. RMS April 28th, 2010 at 5:49 pm

    muffinstump

    Leiter talks too much. He hasn’t learned to stop talking when the pitch is being thrown. Same with Paulie.

    I miss Cone.

  168. GreenBeret7 April 28th, 2010 at 5:50 pm

    muffinstump April 28th, 2010 at 5:40 pm
    thanks for the info, gb.

    so, how’s brackman doing thus far this season

    ———————————————————————————————————————-

    he made two very ugly starts before going on the DL in Tampa. The good thing was that he had only walked 1 batter. He did hit 2 batters and threw a WP to go with 16 hits and 13 runs in 8 innings.

  169. CR9 April 28th, 2010 at 5:51 pm

    CB

    Didnt see the last 60 minutes or so. Really didnt care about the result either way, hoping to see Barca win for you, but happy for Inter that they did not lose because of a cheap red card.

    Another referee trying to make his mark on a game.

    When is enough, enough, with these umpires/referees injecting themselves into outcomes!

  170. CRAWDADDY (Boycott ESPN-NY) April 28th, 2010 at 5:52 pm

    Brackman is on the DL with a hand injury that affected his pitching.

  171. CRAWDADDY (Boycott ESPN-NY) April 28th, 2010 at 5:52 pm

    Brackman should be back sometime in the near future.

  172. Nick in SF in Petaluma, CA April 28th, 2010 at 5:53 pm

    pat: agreed, my comments were in the context of Torre being booed at Yankee Stadium.

    I don’t think he’ll be there this year as a Dodger manager and who knows how much longer his tenure in LA will last.

    So Joe Torre Day could very well be the next time he’s on the field there.

  173. Patrick April 28th, 2010 at 5:53 pm

    Doreen,

    Girardi is good at not overworking one specific guy but overall he’s terrible at managing the pen. He was an abortion in the playoffs in that regard. He’s already effected the outcome of several games this year. He pays way too much attention to L-R matchups and this ridiculous myth that you need a guy dedicated to the 8th inning. Not to mention, he’s misused Mo on many occasions over the last 2 years. He gives away outs way too often too.

    I like Girardi, he is a smart guy and does a good job protecting his players and responding to the media but he’s way too traditional. If he were to just go outside his comfort zone and make moves because they make sense, he’d be a lot better manager.

    But once again, these are mainly just nitpicks because I don’t really think the manager has much of an effect on the games. The Yankees have enough talent that they will overcome many mistakes that Girardi makes.

  174. Joe from Long Island April 28th, 2010 at 5:53 pm

    Hi all, got home from work early, and thought I’d check in before the trolls rolled in for the game –

    You can’t condemn the bullpen yet, it’s too early. I think it will be fine over the long haul.

    GB – I think it’s impossible for us looking in the window to know who the Yankees really think is Mo’s successor. Look at Mo himself – who knew, back in the mid-90s, what lay in store? Likewise, who knows who is going to establish themselves. All you can do is like Cash always says – look to see who steps up and seizes the opportunity. Melancon, Brackman, Wilkin De La Rosa, who knows??

    All is know is that CC is going tonight, and I expect him to bounce back from that “terrible” performance (for him) against Oakland, and dominate the O’s.
    So, my plan is to settle in with a glass of good red wine after dinner, and watch a great exhibition of pitching.

    And I’m going to try to refrain from checking the in-game comments. I really can’t stand the trolling and smart-a** adolescents.

  175. GreenBeret7 April 28th, 2010 at 5:55 pm

    Carl April 28th, 2010 at 5:47 pm
    # GreenBeret7 April 28th, 2010 at 5:45 pm

    Once Nelson and Stanton were gone, who did NYY have in the bullpen besides Rivera that wasn’t washed up or had their own chapters in Gray’s Anatomy?

    Torre blew their arms out.

    ———————————————————————————————————————-

    Don’t be stupid. Look at the pitchers that you’re talking about. Everyone had a career filled with injuries or like Quantrill, was used and abused for years by Toronto and the Dodgers before coming to NY. He was nearly 37 years old. Proctor also had a long history of arm issues and look how the Legendaey Tanyon Sturtz was used befor he got to NY. In what year was he overused by the Yankees?

  176. Nick in SF in Petaluma, CA April 28th, 2010 at 5:55 pm

    Inter/Bayern final?

    zzzzzzzzzzzzz

    Don’t mess with Cesc! :mad:

  177. CRAWDADDY (Boycott ESPN-NY) April 28th, 2010 at 5:56 pm

    There won’t be a Joe Torre Day for a good while yet. As Sherman mentioned the other day, it will take Jeter to broker a treaty between Torre and the Yankee Brass.

  178. CR9 April 28th, 2010 at 5:57 pm

    And sorry to be negative, but I just heard from a friend that on PTI on ESPN, Mike Wilbon and Tony K were advocating “intetionally hitting Lebron in the arm over and over throughout the game” and that “big baby would be available for those duties”

    Lebron just injured his arm the other day.

    ESPN = advocating intetionally hurting another player, the best player in the NBA…

    because he’s facing the Boston Celtics.

  179. Carl April 28th, 2010 at 5:57 pm

    GreenBeret7

    Oh since they had prior injuries you might as well use and abuse them again! What since does that make? Joe Torre destroyed those guys. He got obsessed with riding the hot hand. It came back to bite him every time.

  180. CRAWDADDY (Boycott ESPN-NY) April 28th, 2010 at 5:57 pm

    Karsay was injury prone prior to being a Yankee too.

  181. CRAWDADDY (Boycott ESPN-NY) April 28th, 2010 at 5:58 pm

    Torre didn’t have the starting pitching from 2004-2007 that he had earlier in his Yankee managerial career.

  182. XJ April 28th, 2010 at 5:59 pm

    Girardi is already a better manager than Torre. Dont agree with every Girardi move but overall prefer him over Torre. Managing the bullpen is really one of most important things for a manager and Girardi blows Torre away at doing that. The only reason Cashman put those Joba rules in 07 was because of Torre so he didn’t Scott Proctor Joba.

  183. GreenBeret7 April 28th, 2010 at 5:59 pm

    Joe from Long Island April 28th, 2010 at 5:53 pm
    Hi all, got home from work early, and thought I’d check in before the trolls rolled in for the game –

    You can’t condemn the bullpen yet, it’s too early. I think it will be fine over the long haul.

    GB – I think it’s impossible for us looking in the window to know who the Yankees really think is Mo’s successor. Look at Mo himself – who knew, back in the mid-90s, what lay in store? Likewise, who knows who is going to establish themselves. All you can do is like Cash always says – look to see who steps up and seizes the opportunity. Melancon, Brackman, Wilkin De La Rosa, who knows??

    ———————————————————————————————————————-

    Joe, I freely admit that I’m wrong as much as I’m right, but, that’s just what I see. I’m only adding in what I’ve seen from these young players. I have no idea whether brackman becomes a right handed version of Randy Johnson or Chris Young of San Diego.

  184. CB April 28th, 2010 at 5:59 pm

    Nick-

    Cesc was always only going to eat fish and chips for so long…

    It’s was never a question of if… only when.

    Perhaps I’m still searching through my own parched throat and tear salted mouth (no hot chocolate and churros will do that to you…)

    But today’s results may hasten Cesc’s return home.

    Sorry.

  185. Bronx Jeers April 28th, 2010 at 6:00 pm

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    Michael Kay will annoy many Yankee fans with his tired shtick .

  186. Patrick April 28th, 2010 at 6:00 pm

    The only reason Cashman put those Joba rules in 07 was because of Torre so he didn’t Scott Proctor Joba.

    True, you’re right, Girardi is probably better than Mr. T. I still don’t think Girardi is more than an average manager, which is fine.

  187. RayVT April 28th, 2010 at 6:01 pm

    Jerkface
    You do not know that. The Yankees still had the best payroll when Torre was manager, and he had a great team developed by Showalter and Michaels.

    Actually I get tired of the Showalter team crap. Now I do give creedence to Stick but Joe Torre’s team was drastically different from Buck’s team. (See **)
    Torre’s Team
    SP1 Andy Pettitte
    SP2 Jimmy Key
    SP3 David Cone
    SP4 Kenny Rogers **
    SP5 Dwight Gooden **
    SP6 Ramiro Mendoza **

    CL John Wetteland
    SU Mariano Rivera
    RP Bob Wickman
    RP Jeff Nelson **
    RP Graeme Lloyd **
    RP Brian Boehringer **
    RP David Weathers **

    C Joe Girardi **
    C Jim Leyritz
    1B Tino Martinez **
    2B Mariano Duncan **
    SS Derek Jeter **
    3B Wade Boggs
    LF Tim Raines **
    CF Bernie Williams
    RF Darryl Strawberry
    DH Cecil Fielder **
    Charlie Hayes **
    Andy Fox **
    Luis Sojo **
    Paul O’Neill

  188. Doreen - GTLU Standings & Rules April 28th, 2010 at 6:01 pm

    Patrick -

    Sometimes his penchant for match-ups seems a bit much to me, too – I think sometimes you have to have a little more balance with “gut” feel. But, IF the guys he put in did what they were put in to do, there’d be a lot less to complain about.

    I don’t think it’s a small thing to manage to spread the work around without, over the course of the season, over-depending on one or two guys at the expense of the others.

    And it’s tough to argue with the results he got last season, even if all his decisions were not perfect. :) I don’t think the Yankees won because of him; but neither do I think they won in spite of him.

  189. Nick in SF in Petaluma, CA April 28th, 2010 at 6:01 pm

    Torre ascending dugout steps meant you had time to fix a sandwich. :grin:

  190. GreenBeret7 April 28th, 2010 at 6:02 pm

    XJ April 28th, 2010 at 5:59 pm
    Girardi is already a better manager than Torre. Dont agree with every Girardi move but overall prefer him over Torre. Managing the bullpen is really one of most important things for a manager and Girardi blows Torre away at doing that. The only reason Cashman put those Joba rules in 07 was because of Torre so he didn’t Scott Proctor Joba.

    ———————————————————————————————————————-

    Those “rules” were and have been in affect for a ling time for every young pitcher in the system with so little experience.

  191. RayVT April 28th, 2010 at 6:03 pm

    The reason Torre’s teams didn’t win the later years was because their SP pitching sucked.

  192. CRAWDADDY (Boycott ESPN-NY) April 28th, 2010 at 6:04 pm

    “The reason Torre’s teams didn’t win the later years was because their SP pitching sucked”

    There you go……

  193. GreenBeret7 April 28th, 2010 at 6:04 pm

    ***long*** time for every young pitcher

  194. hey kelvin says April 28th, 2010 at 6:07 pm

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  195. Joe from Long Island April 28th, 2010 at 6:07 pm

    GB – someone above alluded to Brackman having injured his hand. Any info?

  196. GreenBeret7 April 28th, 2010 at 6:07 pm

    Girardi is a little too mechanical as a manager, but, that’s his style….the same style as most young managers is these times. It works for him more often than not. You get very few young “fly by the seat of your pants” managers anymore.

  197. Bronx Jeers April 28th, 2010 at 6:08 pm

    Speaking of sandwiches Nick, have you fulfilled your Javy Vasquez victory obligations?

    I normally wouldn’t pester you about something so trivial but the future of the Yankee Universe does hinge on it.

  198. Carl April 28th, 2010 at 6:08 pm

    since = sense***

  199. Erin April 28th, 2010 at 6:08 pm

    BloggingBombers MRI shows same low-grade strain of Chan Ho Park’s hamstring. Girardi: “He’s not progressing the way he should be.”

  200. CB April 28th, 2010 at 6:08 pm

    CR9-

    The red card was a true embarrassment to the game. I was embarrassed as a barca supporter. Afterwards it made rooting somewhat ambivalent. I wanted them to win though not in that way.

    That said, if he’d have given him a yellow card I don’t think that would have been unreasonable and the net effect would have largely been the same.

    Tough loss. Cesar made a fantastic finger tip defelection off of a brilliant Messi ball that was going to the back of the net in the first half. That really changed the entire match.

    Bojan just blows a goal staring him in the face. There’s no way you can do that in a game where you have to win by at least two. No way.

    In the big picture, though this game once again pointed to how Zlatan really hasn’t fit in. I wanted to keep Eto’o but…

    Football clubs make too many moves in my opinion. Rather then let guys fit in and learn a system they get marganilized too quickly.

    That said, Zlatan… I don’t know.

    The big question is whether they try to get David Villa. I think he’d be a better fit.

    And also whether or not now is the time to bring Cesc back.

  201. Nick in SF in Petaluma, CA April 28th, 2010 at 6:09 pm

    Maybe Cesc will go play for Espanyol?

    Just kidding.

    Oooh, shocker tie game in SF.

  202. Carl April 28th, 2010 at 6:09 pm

    Giants blew it

  203. icebird753 April 28th, 2010 at 6:09 pm

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  204. GreenBeret7 April 28th, 2010 at 6:10 pm

    Joe, I haven’t see anything much on Brackman lately, just a lot of conflicting stuff. I’ll try finding something and put it on here, shortly.

  205. muffinstump April 28th, 2010 at 6:12 pm

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  206. LGY April 28th, 2010 at 6:12 pm

    Torre did not have good starting pitching but his teams were always good enough to be in a position to win in the playoffs.

    Unfortunately, when it came to playoff time Torre made several indefensible moves that cost the team big time. Moves that any other manager in baseball would have been fired for.

    The 2004 ALCS was about as bad as it can get for a manager, batting Alex 8th, leaving Joba on the field with the midges are just a few that pop into my head right now.

    Those Yankee teams were not greatly constructed, but the manager got in the way in a major way several times. He also created an almost toxic environment for certain players in the clubhouse and one of those players was Alex, who was the best player on the team since he arrived.

  207. Betsy - Hughes rules (pleading the Fifth) April 28th, 2010 at 6:12 pm

    LGY, we’ll see. To me, Ace is not as consistent as he was on the first half of last year. I like him, but I’m not in love with him. I still really like D-Rob, so I hope he finds himself. Marte is not as good as I’d hoped; I thought he was going to be very good if healthy. I should have known something was up when Joe (or was it Cash) referred to him as merely a LOOGY, meaning they don’t think he’s good enough to get everyone out.

    Joe is very good with the clubhouse matters because he’s a wonderful person. Given the long, grueling nature of the a baseball season, I don’t think this quality can be overstated. That said, he drives me crazy at times.

  208. Dano April 28th, 2010 at 6:12 pm

    CB, no idea you were a Barca fan, and I’ve always thought of you as so discerning….! (Don’t believe the hype!!)

    Seriously though, all this Cesc talk (perpetrated by the pathetic, agenda-driven Spanish sports press, and repeated ad nauseam by the mediots here in England) is a non starter. Where would he play??

    At Arsenal he is the much loved captain, the fulcrum of a team who, with less injuries and more luck, will win the title again soon. In Barcelona there’s no way he even makes the first 11. What’s the point of rusting on the bench there? Ask Henry and Hleb.

    Eventually I’m sure he’ll go there, but only when Xavi has lost his powers. Powers which, incidentally, seem to still far eclipse Cesc’s….

  209. CRAWDADDY (Boycott ESPN-NY) April 28th, 2010 at 6:12 pm

    “Joe, I haven’t see anything much on Brackman lately, just a lot of conflicting stuff. I’ll try finding something and put it on here, shortly”

    It’s not conflicting anymore. He had a minor injury to his hand and the Yankees placed him on the DL so it would heal properly. He should be back within days.

  210. Nick in SF in Petaluma, CA April 28th, 2010 at 6:12 pm

    Bronx Jeers: I have plans to stop off at Sol Food in San Rafael on the way home later this afternoon.

    That should leave plenty of time for word of my actions to filter back to Javy via the baseball gods.

  211. Erin April 28th, 2010 at 6:14 pm

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  212. Betsy - Hughes rules (pleading the Fifth) April 28th, 2010 at 6:14 pm

    This hamstring issue is not good; didn’t Park miss much of last year? If he doesn’t have more than a mild strain, I don’t know why it’s not getting better. It stinks because we could really use Park; unfortunately it does not appear he will be back anytime soon.

  213. m April 28th, 2010 at 6:18 pm

    Did anyone catch Valentine on BBT yesterday?

    He did this great comparison between Hughes & Sheets (why Sheets, I don’t know).

    Anyway, the whole point was that Phil really hides the ball well. You don’t see it until he releases it, at which point it’s too late.

    They showed the side by side views and Sheets showed the ball in 3 different spots before it was released.

    And Chris Singleton indicated that the difference was important because the amount of flesh on the underpart of your arm that is showing could tip you to the kind of ball that’s on its way.

    It was nice, Valentine was quite jacked about Phil’s ability there. lol.

  214. No Panic...? April 28th, 2010 at 6:22 pm

    Alfredo Aceves ERA 4.70 1.30 WHIP
    David Robertson ” 10.80 2.20 ”
    Chan Ho Park 4.76 1.06
    Damaso Marte 6.23 1.62
    Joba Chamberlain 3.86 1.89

    The bull pen will play a huge part in how good the Yankees will be. If they continue to struggle it will haunt them all season!

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