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Postgame notes: Yankees slide continues

Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Notes, Podcast on Apr 28, 2010 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

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Not a good night for the Yankees here in Baltimore. Dave Robertson had allowed a run in only one other outing this season — the grand slam in the home opener — but tonight he couldn’t put hitters away, and the Yankees couldn’t beat the lowly Baltimore Orioles.

It was the Orioles fourth win of the season, and the Yankees fourth loss in the past five games.

“Usually, when we’re playing teams it really doesn’t make a difference what they’re record is,” Derek Jeter said. “They usually get up for us. Whether it’s the beginning of the season or late in the season. We play teams that are out of it and they do the same thing.”

Tonight, it was Robertson who took the loss, and he earned it. He hit Ty Wigginton with an 0-2 pitch, and that runner became the go-ahead run. He hit a batter and allowed three singles before getting an out. “I got ahead OK,” Robertson said. “When I had an opportunity to get someone out, I just didn’t make the pitch. When you don’t make pitches, guys will hit it.”

Here’s the frustrated Robertson talking about his rough night at Camden Yards.

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• In almost every way, Phil Hughes was brutal tonight, but he got through 5.2 innings with only one run on two hits. He said he simply could not locate his fastball. “I felt great in the bullpen so I knew I probably wouldn’t be as on as I was the other day,” Hughes said. “In Oakland I was horrible in the bullpen and felt like I couldn’t miss a spot (in the game).” Joe Girardi called the outing impressive because of the way Hughes battled through without his best stuff.

• Girardi on why he didn’t leave Hughes in to face Luke Scott in the sixth: “He had worked so hard and was at 110 (actually 109) pitches,” Girardi said. “We just felt that was enough.” I know Girardi’s going to be ripped for the decision, but at the time, I thought it was the right one. Boone Logan had been pretty solid and Scott splits against lefties have been brutal.

• Hughes did not throw a single changeup. Jorge Posada called for it once and Hughes shook it off. On a night like this, when he couldn’t locate any of his pitches, Hughes said he didn’t want to use the pitch he commands the least.

• Jeter on his ninth-inning error: “I stayed down and it popped up and hit me in my bicep.” That error and Jorge Posada’s throwing error led to that all-important insurance run.

• Girardi said he plans to play Nick Johnson tomorrow as long as he feels OK. Johnson pinch hit and drew a walk in the ninth.

• Didn’t see Randy Winn after the game, so I couldn’t ask him what happened on that throw in the sixth inning. “I’m not sure what happened there,” Girardi said. “I didn’t have a chance to ask him.”

• Robinson Cano and Nick Swisher each had three hits. It was Cano’s ninth multi-hit game.

Both Associated Press photos. The top is of Cano after his fly out to end the third inning.

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265 Responses to “Postgame notes: Yankees slide continues”

  1. RalphieD (OPPC) April 28th, 2010 at 12:04 am

    Tough loss…CC on the mound tomorrow…thats always a good feeling

  2. Betsy - Hughes rules (pleading the Fifth) April 28th, 2010 at 12:06 am

    I guess it’s like the old theater axiom: bad dress rehearsals mean good performances and vice versa.

    I’m fine now with Joe’s decision; as to the change, well I can’t blame Phil. He did say that he was as confident with the change as he was with the curve (in ST), but then later in ST admitted that that was still just ST and he’d need to see how hitters react in real games before he calls it a plus pitch.

  3. trisha - OPPC member who sees, hears, and knows all. 28 is on its way!!!!! April 28th, 2010 at 12:07 am

    ?They usually get up for us”

    Therein lies a wild card. People ask why teams that get beaten by so many other teams manage to beat the yankees. Well first of all, as Betsy always says, no team is to be underestimated. Any team can win on any given day or night. Add other elements to it – the team was due to win; they had one of their best pitchers going; Yankees played sloppy ball – and put the cherry on the top – “They usually get up for us” – and you have the recipe for an opponent’s win.

    Do I believe that teams get up for Yankee games more than others? Absolutely and unequivocally. Players from other teams say it all the time.

  4. Nick in SF April 28th, 2010 at 12:08 am

    Maybe Boone Logan isn’t ready for My9 prime time.

  5. Betsy - Hughes rules (pleading the Fifth) April 28th, 2010 at 12:10 am

    I’m willing to give Logan another chance; he’s had a bad game, but he’s shown some promise.

  6. igotid88 April 28th, 2010 at 12:12 am

    ’m sure it’s been posted here. But there was this stat on Phil last week. Mentioned by Ryan Ruocco. That in his last 30 starts. At least 10 of them he went 6+ ip and 4 hits or less

  7. XJ April 28th, 2010 at 12:17 am

    I thought Girardi took Hughes out at the right time. Both outs in that inning were hard hit and it was not like Hughes was very sharp and he was at 109 pitches. Robertson hitting Wigginton on a 0-2 count really hurt. And those errors by Jeter and Posada turned out to really cost the yanks. Oh well cant win them all.

  8. Betsy - Hughes rules (pleading the Fifth) April 28th, 2010 at 12:17 am

    Igotid, Phil is clearly very hard to hit and that’s another positive with him.

  9. tampayank April 28th, 2010 at 12:19 am

    Do I believe that teams get up for Yankee games more than others? Absolutely and unequivocally. Players from other teams say it all the time.

    It’s true. I’ve seen in here in Tampa even when the Rays were still bad in 2007, the promotion by radio/tv, the way the players talk about the series in interviews, etc. It turns into an event when the Yankees come to each town. And it is not the same with Boston

  10. Betsy - Hughes rules (pleading the Fifth) April 28th, 2010 at 12:19 am

    http://bats.blogs.nytimes.com/.....etty-good/

    “I was impressed because I would say he labored more than just a little bit,” Girardi said. “He threw a lot of balls but was able to fight his way through it.”

    Hughes forced in a run with a bases-loaded walk in the second, then got the dangerous Adam Jones to ground into an inning-ending double play. From then on, Hughes retired 11 of 12 hitters, allowing only a leadoff walk to Luke Scott in the fourth.

    “If one thing picked up, it seemed like one thing fell off,” Hughes said. “I really had no feel of anything tonight. I was trying to get it going, get my fastball going, and it just wasn’t going where I wanted to. I just didn’t feel great out there.”

    Against Oakland last Wednesday, Hughes had an electric fastball. He confused A’s hitters by throwing cutters in fastball counts, and his curveball was devastating. That night, he said he felt horrible in the bullpen before the game, which made him think Tuesday that he would be in for a rough night when he couldn’t miss a spot warming up.

    If Hughes had his same stuff two years ago, he was asked, would things have gotten bad? He didn’t hesitate.

    “It could have been pretty bad,” Hughes said. “It got bad last year.”

  11. tampayank April 28th, 2010 at 12:24 am

    Tex is batting .135, I know he’s a slow starter but come on, Ortiz is showing him up w/ a .175 batting average :(

  12. Pat M. April 28th, 2010 at 12:25 am

    Chad, I see you didn’t care for my editorial on your bias report on Phil’s performance tonight…..Brutal was not on him but rather your censorship…….You’ve been reporting on Phil with a negative tone ever since camp opened…..To suppress my commentary is unconstitutional and in poor taste….

  13. Betsy - Hughes rules (pleading the Fifth) April 28th, 2010 at 12:29 am

    Wow, Pat M – did Chad delete your post? That’s hard to believe; if true, I think you’re handling it a lot better than I would have. I would not have described Phil’s outing as brutal; brutal would be last year in this same park. I don’t know what Chad’s history with Phil is, but there really is absolutely no call for censoring posts. I find it odd that he would do that, but not spend the same amount of time banning racist, offensive trolls.

  14. Carl April 28th, 2010 at 12:32 am

    He deleted Pat M’s post but he lets the Trolls do whatever they want. Go figure.

  15. bodhisattva - Destiny Wears Pinstripes April 28th, 2010 at 12:33 am

    Selective hospitality is a running theme in here.

    Those who live by it, should be prepared to die by it. Virtually speaking :D.

  16. Betsy - Hughes rules (pleading the Fifth) April 28th, 2010 at 12:34 am

    Carl, it’s ridiculous. Pat M is one of the most eloquent posters here; I’m sure he made his point without being rude to Chad. This doesn’t even seem like Chad – I don’t get it.

  17. CD April 28th, 2010 at 12:34 am

    Carl,

    what post did he delete?

  18. m April 28th, 2010 at 12:36 am

    What is going on?!

    “Brutal” was the wrong word. For sure.

    But I don’t think Chad’s been unfair. He’s not a mama or a papa. ;)

  19. Betsy - Hughes rules (pleading the Fifth) April 28th, 2010 at 12:36 am

    CD, apparently Pat M disagreed with Chad’s comment re: Phil being brutal (which is a stretch to say the least; he was hardly sharp, but brutal?) and Chad deleted the post.

  20. Betsy - Hughes rules (pleading the Fifth) April 28th, 2010 at 12:37 am

    M, but even if you think that’s the case, what is Chad doing censoring posts? As I said before, he’s hardly been proactive in getting rid of trolls, but he’s censoring a post because Pat M disagree with him? I don’t really want to get into this, but Pete if he disagreed would come in and argue with you; I don’t recall him censoring people. I hope this is just a misunderstanding because if it’s not it doesn’t speak well for ..

  21. Damon enjoy 27....think 28 April 28th, 2010 at 12:39 am

    Why did it take so long for Robertson to be replaced? It was obvious after the 1 run he was struggling? .

    Giants poised to take 2 straight from Philly, Moyer ( who will be 48 in Nov) gave up 4 HR, his relief gave up 2. Giants lead bottom of 8th 6-2 .

  22. Donnie - Will Meet Adam Jones Under the O'Neill Banner April 28th, 2010 at 12:43 am

    “Teams get up for us”?

    With all due respect to the captain…no.

    A team “getting up” for playing the Yankees is getting a lot of solid hits, and trouncing us, no matter how good we look.

    Tonight was the team beating themselves.

    “Getting up” is not having a young pitcher look “brutal”, as Chad put it, and STILL only manage two runs off of him. The only reason they scored 5 runs was because Robertson came in, couldn’t locate to save his friggin’ life, and then compensated by putting pitches over the heart of the plate. Bad team or not, that’s going to lead to a pitcher getting hammered. Then the errors in the 9th sealed it.

    They even had Baltimore’s starter out early because he was over 100 in the fifth inning. It wasn’t a bad team “getting up”, Cap. Bad base running, bad defense, and not getting hits did this team in tonight. It had almost nothing to do with the Orioles.

    Also, I have Granderson on two fantasy teams. Needless to say, his shenanigans at the plate have grown old, and he’s riding my bench until he decides to show up for work.

  23. m April 28th, 2010 at 12:43 am

    Betsy,

    Pete deleted stuff all the time. ALL the time.

    I’m sure it was a simple misunderstanding between 2 old friends.

    But yeah, Phil wasn’t brutal. The worst thing he did was walk in a run. He outpitched millwood, an established veteran.

  24. bodhisattva - Destiny Wears Pinstripes April 28th, 2010 at 12:43 am

    These BP arms are just not in rhythm yet.

    It’s not like D-Rob isn’t an integral part of the back-end. Let these guys air it out.

    A few bats aren’t there yet, either. I doubt these early hiccups will cost us a Division title or WC spot.

    Looking at it dispassionately, unless we are incredibly unlucky with health this year, how can we not be in the postseason?

    Either the Yanks for Tampa will win the WC. I just can’t see it any other way.

  25. Pat M. April 28th, 2010 at 12:44 am

    Betsy, I carefully selected words that would not have any problem with the filters….That being said, maybe that indeed is what did happen…….Benefit of the doubt is only fair……Make no mistake though, I think Chad has been the brutal one when covering Phil Hughes ever since camp opened…….I call into question his objectivity in his coverage of Phil

  26. Donnie - Will Meet Adam Jones Under the O'Neill Banner April 28th, 2010 at 12:45 am

    Er, “STILL only manage two HITS off of him”. My mistake.

  27. Nick in SF April 28th, 2010 at 12:46 am

    Pete did delete posts but he also left hate-filled rants — often directed at him — UNdeleted all the time.

    Last night this forum was crackling with sexual tension; tonight, just tension.

  28. bodhisattva - Destiny Wears Pinstripes April 28th, 2010 at 12:47 am

    SF about to swipe another from the defending NL champs.

    Great late-night TV viewing :D.

  29. Nick in SF April 28th, 2010 at 12:49 am

    Pat M, did your post appear and disappear or not appear in the first place? I never saw it but I was driving.

  30. Betsy - Hughes rules (pleading the Fifth) April 28th, 2010 at 12:50 am

    M, I didn’t know that…. ugh, I hate that.

    Pat M, I hope it was just the filter. If it was, then I apologize to Chad, who (as I said before) did not strike me as the type to censor people.

    I never noticed Chad being biased against Phil, but I’m not sure he’s been all that high on him either. Brutal was the wrong choice of words, though; I’m not even sure I understand why he used that term. If you go back to the game thread, Chad makes a comment as to Phil struggling, but doing a nice job (or something to that effect) of not blowing up.

  31. gfd April 28th, 2010 at 12:52 am

    Philly lost 2 in a row to the Giants. Giants played the Cardinals this past weekend and won 2 out of 3. another series win tonight.

  32. Betsy - Hughes rules (pleading the Fifth) April 28th, 2010 at 12:53 am

    Pat M, what do you think about Phil not using the change because it’s the pitch he has least command of? It makes sense to me, but it’s strange because he seemed so high on it in ST.

  33. Betsy - Hughes rules (pleading the Fifth) April 28th, 2010 at 12:53 am

    http://www.nydailynews.com/spo.....llows.html

    “I didn’t even know their record,” Hughes said. “I just come in, look at their hitters and know what I have to do. They have some good hitters in their lineup, so if you make bad pitches, they’re going to hurt you.”

    Hughes allowed two singles to start the second, then issued a pair of one-out walks to force in Baltimore’s first run. Unlike last May 9, when Hughes allowed eight runs against the O’s in 1-2/3 innings, he got Adam Jones to roll over on a cutter, inducing an inning-ending double play.

    “It could have gotten pretty bad,” Hughes said. “Last year, it got pretty bad in my one start here. If I take one good thing away, it’s that I was able to grind it out in some tough spots.”

  34. Rich in NJ April 28th, 2010 at 12:55 am

    In a way, this start was more encouraging than Hughes’s near no hitter.

  35. Betsy - Hughes rules (pleading the Fifth) April 28th, 2010 at 12:55 am

    Nick, were you driving back from In and Out because the pen blew Young Master Phil’s game?

    Bodh, I think you’re probably right. I still believe in D-Rob, I do.

  36. Bronx Jeers April 28th, 2010 at 12:55 am

    Censorship is lame
    Yet LoHud filters work strange
    Chad? ” Et tu Brute’ “

  37. Betsy - Hughes rules (pleading the Fifth) April 28th, 2010 at 12:57 am

    Hey Rich

    That’s the vibe I’m getting from many Yankee fans….Of course he’s not happy, but at least he can be satisfied that he kept his team in the game (and actually took them to the 6th with the lead).

    I just find it so odd that you can have fantastic stuff in the pen and then have nothing and vice versa.

  38. CanoJOBAJeterFan April 28th, 2010 at 12:57 am

    If you all would remember back to last year it was “brutal” indeed. The offense and the bp was not always picking up the pitcher, often losing the lead. But the team won the world series, remember that. All this boo hooing at the stage of the game is frivolous at best. And, pardon me but the Yankees fate does not depend on Phil Hughes. Period.

    The Yankees can and will survive this slight bump in the road. This team is too good.

  39. Betsy - Hughes rules (pleading the Fifth) April 28th, 2010 at 12:57 am

    LOL Bronx – nice.

  40. bodhisattva - Destiny Wears Pinstripes April 28th, 2010 at 12:58 am

    Then fall, Lohud!

  41. Pat M. April 28th, 2010 at 12:58 am

    Betsy, for a power pitcher who also has a good curveball and cutter, the change up is a selectively thrown pitch due to the fact that it really is a feel / touch type pitch…..I can understand it only being called for one time…..

  42. Damon enjoy 27....think 28 April 28th, 2010 at 12:58 am

    LAA is getting their butts handed to them by the Indians, in the 8 th inning 8-1 Indians

  43. Nick in SF April 28th, 2010 at 1:02 am

    No In-N-Out meal
    Just wins earn Double-Doubles
    Thanks, brutal Phil Hughes! :mad:

  44. Betsy - Hughes rules (pleading the Fifth) April 28th, 2010 at 1:03 am

    Pat M, ok thanks. I have to stop being obsessed by this pitch as I’m sure he’ll use it when he feels it’s the right time. Tonight Phil had nothing going on, so as he implied by his comment, he was probably not going to have command of that pitch (so then why throw it?).

    His cutter seems to be coming along nicely, though….

  45. Betsy - Hughes rules (pleading the Fifth) April 28th, 2010 at 1:04 am

    Phil deprived Nick
    or was it the Pen
    No burgers tonight
    A non-event

  46. Pat M. April 28th, 2010 at 1:05 am

    My scale ( and my trainer ) have budgeted only 13 “In & Out” Double Doubles this season, so maybe I lucked out tonight……Warped rationalization on my part

  47. jake April 28th, 2010 at 1:06 am

    Phil Hughes wasn’t all that good, but he took another step towards proving himself as a ML pitcher. To be able to win when you’ve got your best stuff going is a great thing. But to give up just one run through 6 without your best stuff is a great thing, too.
    Hughes clearly didn’t have his “A” game on tonight, but he pitched more than well enough to win, anyway. And that’s major league. Barring injury, Hughes is going to have a good year, and a + career.

  48. m April 28th, 2010 at 1:07 am

    Phil was “brutal” last year, but what does that have to do with now?

  49. bodhisattva - Destiny Wears Pinstripes April 28th, 2010 at 1:07 am

    5-7-5

    or no dice, folks.

  50. Nick in SF April 28th, 2010 at 1:10 am

    For the record, I never promised a season of double doubles for Phil… Win #2 led to a single with shake. There’s only so much I can do for Phil.

  51. Pat M. April 28th, 2010 at 1:11 am

    5-7-5 Bod ?????

  52. Jerkface April 28th, 2010 at 1:12 am

    Why would Chad be biased AGAINST Phil? He loves minor leaguers.

  53. Nick in SF April 28th, 2010 at 1:12 am

    Bodhi cracks the whip
    Censor improper haiku!
    The unkindest cut?

  54. GreenBeret7 April 28th, 2010 at 1:13 am

    How bogus was all of those fools that were yammering on for the last year about how good UZR was for determining just how good a fielder is and those non-believers didn’t know what they were talking about? They’ve changed Jason Bay’s from a minus 13 to nearly a plus 2. That’s a pretty huge mistake to be making, I’d think.

    Of course the idiots over there are trying to defend their position by saying that it’s not their fault by using their numbers as gospel. Face facts. You can’t use formulas and and a bunch of no clue clowns sitting in front of a monitor to decide who gets what territory to cover.

    All in all, it’s funny to watch the pompus clowns trying to tapdance their way out of this.

    To determine that Bay’s defense saved two runs a game and Teixeira playing at first saved virtually none is equally laughable.

    http://www.fangraphs.com/

    drop down to the 3rd tab.

  55. CR9 April 28th, 2010 at 1:13 am

    While the Yankees beat themselves tonight, the Orioles also got 3 or 4 hits with RISP and 2 outs, while they had scored 6 such runs all season.

    I think that’s pretty explanatory of the motivations of a team.

  56. Pat M. April 28th, 2010 at 1:14 am

    Nick in SF, to late my man…..For every win the Young Master compiles, it’s a trip to In n Out……Menu selection is an individual decision……

  57. Damon enjoy 27....think 28 April 28th, 2010 at 1:14 am

    Kendry Morales hasn’t got a hit all night. He was brutal playing the Yankees, Matsui has 2 walks
    and no hits..

    OMG look how the Angels are fighting back with bases loaded bottom of the 8 th. That was close, Angels didn’t score after loading the bases.

  58. Rich in NJ April 28th, 2010 at 1:16 am

    Betsy

    Yup, Hughes is demonstrating that he has both the stuff and the mental makeup to be a very good pitcher.

  59. pat April 28th, 2010 at 1:18 am

    Francona pinch hit Lowell for Ortiz in the 8th inning with bases loaded, 2 out and the winning run on 3rd. Ouch to the ego on that one.

  60. Haiku-man April 28th, 2010 at 1:19 am

    Phil wasn’t the problem tonight. He allowed a walked in run, 2 hits over 5.2 innings, on a night that he didn’t have his best stuff. His relief came in and failed.

  61. CR9 April 28th, 2010 at 1:19 am

    Which is better?

    1. Five guys
    2. In n Out

  62. The Actual JMK of Mystique and Aura April 28th, 2010 at 1:19 am

    Hi again,

    I see my alter-ego made yet another appearance on the game thread. I’m charmed! Anyway, it would appear that this place is inundated with trolls from bridges across the internets (and I’m not only referring to my own situation).

    I suppose my question is then this: is the amount of trollery here significantly more prevalent than it had been in the past? Beyond that, has anyone been able to get in touch with either Chad or Sam? I’ve had zero luck and it seems that many are quite upset that (seemingly) little has been done to control a problem that should be correctable.

    ——

    In terms of Hughes and the overall game — yes, it was a disappointing loss. But let’s take a step back for a moment. These games happen and it’s not necessarily indicative of a larger problem. Hughes didn’t have great command. No question. He was a bit squeezed by some strange umpiring calls, too. I’ve long expressed a desire to see him utilize his changeup more often, but tonight’s game was not the time to start. And, for what it’s worth, his cutter (SSS warning) has actually been an extremely effective pitch for him, somewhat nullifying the need for him to feature a changeup, particularly for lefties.

    Still, despite the loss, there are some reasons to smile. A-Rod just lost out to the BABip gods; Teixiera is looking far better than he had earlier; Robbie is still raking; Granderson is still contributing with good glove work (although he shouldn’t have taken a step back on that diving catch); and most importantly, it’s still April. These things correct themselves, which is not to say there aren’t legitimate concerns with the team (as there are with all teams), but it’s way too early to hit the panic button.

    Tonight was a perfect storm of sorts — the O’s are not as bad as their record shows and we knew their RISP would correct itself at some points. It just stinks it happened on a night our bullpen was awful and our normally solid defense was asleep at the wheel. The missed opportunities didn’t help, either.

    Again, these things happen; it’s why they play 162 of them. Things will be just fine. I expect Robertson to rebound and the other players that have been struggling to begin to hone in on their career norms, barring strange circumstances or injury. All’s still well in Yankeeland, even after a tough loss like this.

  63. CR9 April 28th, 2010 at 1:21 am

    Phil, despite having very little at all, battled through it, and battled through the poor HP umpire, and really pitched a remarkable game.

    Showed a lot of poise.

  64. bodhisattva - Destiny Wears Pinstripes April 28th, 2010 at 1:23 am

    Nick in SF April 28th, 2010 at 1:12 am
    Bodhi cracks the whip
    Censor improper haiku!
    The unkindest cut?
    ====

    Well done.

    The form is all!

    Now just drop my Muse Fee in my Paypal account.

    P.S. Nature reference??

  65. Damon enjoy 27....think 28 April 28th, 2010 at 1:24 am

    Indians 9 Angels 1 top of the 9th

  66. Pat M. April 28th, 2010 at 1:25 am

    GB……Jason Bay goes from the small leftfield in Fenway and has a terrible zone rating…He goes to CiTi Field and it’s expansive grounds and improves……Now I seen Jason Bay play maybe 50 times over his career and he was average at best before his knee issues…..You’re point is well received in my camp

  67. bodhisattva - Destiny Wears Pinstripes April 28th, 2010 at 1:26 am

    CR9 April 28th, 2010 at 1:21 am
    Phil, despite having very little at all, battled through it, and battled through the poor HP umpire, and really pitched a remarkable game.

    Showed a lot of poise.
    ====

    CR9,

    I thought of you while watching the Yanks visit White House.

    Marte seems a very handsome fellow. Is he “hot” by your standards?

    I wonder what some of the women think.

    I’m not a switch-hitter myself, but this is clearly a symmetrically-faced fellow with excellent bones and a perfect smile.

    What think you on’t?

  68. trisha - OPPC member who sees, hears, and knows all. 28 is on its way!!!!! April 28th, 2010 at 1:26 am

    Pat M, if you tried to post and it didn’t show up right away, it’s likely that the censor caught something it didn’t like. There is no way that our guys sit and read every post that comes in and then decide what can go and what can stay. Too many posts are happening at the same time for that to even be viable. And then the way posts work are that you see them immediately. So there would be no time for anyone to have read them.

    I have post get caught by the censor on many occasions and I know I haven’t used any vulgar language in them. So the censor must have picked up something I didn’t realize was there. When I’m quick enough to remember to do it, I do a copy on my posts before I post them. That way if they do get caught in the censor, I can try to figure out the problem.

    If you saw your post show up and then find it was deleted, then that’s a whole different story.

    I can’t swear by it, but the best I can say that none of the three hosts strike me as the type to summarily remove someone’s post, even if the post disagrees with something they have said. I think they’re a lot more stand up than that.

  69. CR9 April 28th, 2010 at 1:28 am

    bodhi

    Yes. Marte is gorgeous! Great bone structure.

    I dont swing both ways, but I would for a HOT NY ATHLETE!!! Get it right :P

  70. Damon enjoy 27....think 28 April 28th, 2010 at 1:29 am

    Indians 9 Angels 2 , and back to 500. Mike Scioscia has to be livid!!

  71. CR9 April 28th, 2010 at 1:30 am

    “I can’t swear by it, but the best I can say that none of the three hosts strike me as the type to summarily remove someone’s post, even if the post disagrees with something they have said. I think they’re a lot more stand up than that.”

    Anti-Pete Abe!!!!

    Trisha

    If you use Mozilla Firefox, you can just hit “back” on your browser and your post will be there still, like you never sent it through.

  72. m April 28th, 2010 at 1:30 am

    I dont swing both ways, but I would for a HOT NY ATHLETE!!! Get it right

    ________________________________________

    Where’s a censor when you need one?!?

  73. bodhisattva - Destiny Wears Pinstripes April 28th, 2010 at 1:31 am

    CR9,

    Whoops, sorry about that. :D.

  74. chic April 28th, 2010 at 1:32 am

    The hot guy is Mitre he’s a stone cold stud muffin for real!!

  75. trisha - OPPC member who sees, hears, and knows all. 28 is on its way!!!!! April 28th, 2010 at 1:32 am

    CR9 – that’s great to know. Last year they were there when you hit back, using IE, but it doesn’t work anymore.

    It’s a huge drag to put together a response to someone and then have it disappear, especially if the response is at all lengthy!

  76. Pat M. April 28th, 2010 at 1:32 am

    Tricia, after thinking it over that’s most likely happened……Otherwise I was ask you how experienced are you at Constitutional Law and rep me in my suit vs. The LoHud

  77. CR9 April 28th, 2010 at 1:33 am

    bodhi

    LOL

    Also, I sort of, just sort of, wouldnt mind if Tom Brady was availabe! Dreamy :D

  78. m April 28th, 2010 at 1:34 am

    I think the team is missing CHoP.

  79. GreenBeret7 April 28th, 2010 at 1:34 am

    Pat, this year, they have him just about equal to last year. The article with those clowns trying to talk about viewers taking their numbers as gospel and not the site’s fault was pure gold. If you know that the crap is flawed, why put it out there. as far as I’m concerned, this makes all computer generated “facts” flawed, especially those that use bought “p-i-m-p-s” to make determinations based on their judgement.

  80. CR9 April 28th, 2010 at 1:34 am

    Mitre is HOT!!! And he’s got a great a**!!!! Filet mignon!!!

  81. igotid88 April 28th, 2010 at 1:34 am

    Phil wasn’t that bad last year. I don’t why people are saying he was brutal. Yes he had bad starts. But he also had great ones. If not for Wang coming back into the rotation. He most likely would’ve had a good first full year as a starter.

  82. chic April 28th, 2010 at 1:35 am

    Francisco Cervelli is adorable and handsome too!!

  83. The Actual JMK of Mystique and Aura April 28th, 2010 at 1:35 am

    @GreenBeret7

    With all due respect, if there were people using UZR as gospel, they’re perhaps giving it too much credit. I don’t claim to know the ins and outs of it (my feeble brain doesn’t process statistics as well as I’d like), however, there are a few issues I think you missed.

    1) For there to be any degree of reliability, generally proponents of UZR use 3-year samples as a measure of validity. Jason Bay and Mark Teixiera’s 19 games played is a blink in time. It means very, very, very little. Beyond that, their positions require different skill sets. To my knowledge, which again is not fantastic by any means, few claim that UZR does a decent job of expressing defensive aptitude at 1B (or catcher, either). It’s not a fair or useful comparison.

    2) You profess that the proponents are no-clue clowns sitting behind a monitor. Is that necessary? How do you know they don’t have a clue? Are you more capable than they? I’m not trying to be combative, but you’re presuming a lot without evidence.

    3) Unfortunately, while UZR is not a fantastic measurement, it’s far more reliable than using your own personal “eye test” as a way of measuring defensive performance. Formulas and accrued data are not prone to remembering the terrible and fantastic plays while generally discounting the run-of-the-mill plays. They have no agenda.

    The best method is to rely on both scouting reports, statistics and the eye test. It doesn’t have to be mutually exclusive.

  84. GreenBeret7 April 28th, 2010 at 1:37 am

    That conversation is disturbing in too many ways…even as a joke.

  85. CR9 April 28th, 2010 at 1:37 am

    Frankie is also hot hot hot! Greatly shaped body! Love the new helmet!!

    Dreamy eyes, perfect face, beautiful smile and enthusiasm for the game.

  86. bodhisattva - Destiny Wears Pinstripes April 28th, 2010 at 1:38 am

    CR9,

    You’re hilarious.

    MY GF reading over my shoulder says “Way too GQ” on Brady.

    Subjective stuff, I realize.

  87. m April 28th, 2010 at 1:38 am

    Projected 26 26 0 0 153 51 34 34 9 94 153 17 0 69.7 0.94 .103 2.00

    lol @ projections. 17-0 for Phil from his stat page.

    igotid:

    I don’t know what JeterJobaCano meant. I only meant the one game. my point was (if she was talking about Hughes specifically) was what does last year have to do with this year. And specifically tonight?

  88. trisha - OPPC member who sees, hears, and knows all. 28 is on its way!!!!! April 28th, 2010 at 1:40 am

    “Tricia, after thinking it over that?s most likely happened??Otherwise I was ask you how experienced are you at Constitutional Law and rep me in my suit vs. The LoHud”

    :)

    We wouldn’t even make it into court I’m afraid. It isn’t a 1st Amendment issue because the newspaper is a private enterprise and as the keeper of the press has the right to make whatever rules and regulations it so desires when it comes to allowing people the privilege to post on its forums – as long as those rules and regulations don’t violate any one’s civil rights.

    So I’m happy it didn’t come to that!

  89. CR9 April 28th, 2010 at 1:42 am

    bodhi

    “Way too GQ” Puhhhlease :P

    NO WAY! You cant be way too GQ for me!! Henrik Lundqvist and Jaromir Jagr and Cristiano Ronaldo are the 3 most gorgeous men ALIVE!!!

    I’ve heard from some of my female friends that they are “way too GQ”!

    I dont understand and never will. Hot is hot! When you’ve got it, you’ve got it. Aint nobody too hot 4 me. I love beautiful people!! On the inside and out!!

    Just not referees/umpires!

  90. Pat M. April 28th, 2010 at 1:43 am

    Tricia my dear, I was trying in vain to inject some humor to an evening that is in dire need of it……

  91. CR9 April 28th, 2010 at 1:44 am

    Since I didnt know if we should keep Mitre or Gaudin, I just wanted us to keep Mitre, because of his lower salary, and because I love his suave look!!

    I call him “Tight Tushie” because, does he look like a tasty piece of filet mignon or what! Whew!

  92. bodhisattva - Destiny Wears Pinstripes April 28th, 2010 at 1:46 am

    CR9,

    From certain angles, Lundqvist is a dead ringer for Daniel Day Lewis.

    It’s a pity he’s not on a better team – he’s one of the very best in the game. He wore out, I think, down the stretch and was uncharacteristically soft on shots that would never ordinarily beat him.

    Put him on the Capitals and they would rarely lose, despite their careless, swashbuckling ways.

  93. m April 28th, 2010 at 1:47 am

    Poor Actual JMK. Trying to talk baseball.

    Thanks for posting your opinions. Hope Chad can get around to helping you out.

  94. GreenBeret7 April 28th, 2010 at 1:48 am

    Chapman pitches at Scranton tomorrow night, game time at 7:05 PM. It’s on free radio from MiLB.com and available on MiLB-TV.com (not free)

  95. CR9 April 28th, 2010 at 1:48 am

    bodhi

    lol @ Day Lewis!

    Yep. Henrik has knee problems, he wore out! Little defense in front of him.

    Put him on a better team, he might already be a SC Champion. Oh well, such is life.

    I never asked your opinion of Jaromir; I know a lot of Pens fans despise him. And my response to their garbage about Mario being the captain is, Mario never won anything without Jaromir, as Jaromir never won without Mario.

  96. Nick in SF April 28th, 2010 at 1:50 am

    Shot heard ’round net
    Pat M: our Patrick Henry
    Free LoHud or death!

  97. bodhisattva - Destiny Wears Pinstripes April 28th, 2010 at 1:50 am

    COULD IT BE??

    The Red Sox have called up “Embree”???

    As in Alan Embree???

    I don’t want to hear anyone complain ever again about our bullpen.

    You can’t make this stuff up. The Red Sox have become a parody of themselves.

    Hilarious.

  98. Pat M. April 28th, 2010 at 1:52 am

    Nick in SF……I wonder what kind air time this censorship issue receives tomorrow ?????

  99. CR9 April 28th, 2010 at 1:52 am

    Alan Embree is back??? That steroid freak???

    Him and Timlin scream fugly steroid users!!

  100. m April 28th, 2010 at 1:53 am

    lol, we read about that weeks ago, but forgot all about it. assumed it was so he could retire a red sock.

  101. vey April 28th, 2010 at 1:55 am

    Robertson gave up a grand slam , and last night 2 runs pretty soon he’s going to be headed to triplet A.

  102. bodhisattva - Destiny Wears Pinstripes April 28th, 2010 at 1:58 am

    Jagr is one of the four greatest RWs I’ve seen in my lifetime.

    Lemieux shares “best player ever” honors with Gretzky. On this there is no debate. My feeling is Orr would have to come in third, but the two centers stand alone, side by side.

    Lemieux and Jagr were like Gretzky and Kurri.

  103. igotid88 April 28th, 2010 at 1:59 am

    m April 28th, 2010 at 1:38 am
    Projected 26 26 0 0 153 51 34 34 9 94 153 17 0 69.7 0.94 .103 2.00

    lol @ projections. 17-0 for Phil from his stat page.

    igotid:

    I don’t know what JeterJobaCano meant. I only meant the one game. my point was (if she was talking about Hughes specifically) was what does last year have to do with this year. And specifically tonight?
    —————————————

    I was just referring to earlier posts by some people.

  104. Nick in SF April 28th, 2010 at 2:00 am

    Sad Alan Embree
    Certified Giant killer
    (he killed the Giants)

  105. bodhisattva - Destiny Wears Pinstripes April 28th, 2010 at 2:06 am

    Why not bring back Foulke?

    I’m always up for a “Johnny Burger King” reference.

  106. Chad Jennings April 28th, 2010 at 2:06 am

    Wait, what? I just got back to the hotel to discover that I’m being accused of censoring comments?

    I have never once edited out a comment unless it was cursing or otherwise breaking an obvious rule of the blog. I don’t mind at all when people write something negative about me, and I certainly didn’t delete a post tonight.

    This is also the first time I’ve ever been accused of being too hard on Phil Hughes. I feel like I’ve been one of his biggest supporters since I started covering the Yankees in 2007. Tonight he was bad. Not because I said so, because he said so. He couldn’t locate, but it’s to his eternal credit — and shows how far he’s come — that he was able to pitch so well without his best stuff.

    Again, sorry someone thought I was deleting comments. That simply never happened. I wish someone would email to ask me about things like this before accusing me of something on the blog.

  107. Nick in SF April 28th, 2010 at 2:09 am

    Common sense prevails
    Free speech lives on the LoHud
    We have all been shamed

  108. CR9 April 28th, 2010 at 2:10 am

    Chad

    You and Sam have done a remarkable job with this blog, and have exhibited nothing but professionalism.

    Probably doesnt mean much, but I know you wouldnt delete comments. I feel kind of bad, and am at the same time kind of amused to see (or read) you angry :)

    We all know that you carry yourself with integrity…..

    Something we cant say for our previous blog host (who I saw on NESN the other day looking as pathetic as ever)!

  109. CR9 April 28th, 2010 at 2:12 am

    Delicious Mitre
    I want me some Rodriguez
    And Jeter also

  110. m April 28th, 2010 at 2:13 am

    Phil doesn’t even qualify to be among the AL leaders in stats. 18 IP in 19 team games. Otherwise, he’d be 8th in ERA, 6th in WHIP, 5th in K/9, 1st in AVG (CC is second .103 v .161)

  111. bodhisattva - Destiny Wears Pinstripes April 28th, 2010 at 2:15 am

    Chad,

    I was dubious that you would do such a thing, and if you were so inclined, that you even would have the time to do it, considering the demands of beat reporting.

    You do a great job, here.

  112. Nick in SF April 28th, 2010 at 2:16 am

    CR9, you nut
    asexual, bi, or tri
    our own Crying Game?

  113. CR9 April 28th, 2010 at 2:17 am

    LOL

    Pete found the time, all the time, to delete people’s comments, make threats, lie about people threatening him.

    But, of course, Pete is different. He is a 400 lb. ogre with no significant other, besides one of his hands!

  114. Pat M. April 28th, 2010 at 2:20 am

    Chad, I was the culprit……I wrote a comment that placed question to your objectivity when it comes to your coverage regarding Phil Hughes…….I’ve never in all these years had a post that was captured by the selective filter screening………After a few minutes of reflection on what could have happened to my entry and after several old time LoHuders explained this process, it was determined that you most likely had nothing to do with this……In fact I posted to that effect…….However your choice of the term brutal was the cause for my rebuttal …..I do owe you an apology for questioning your journalistic integrity…..That being said, I still feel that your reporting on Phil Hughes has lacked fairness and objectivity……My though was that maybe you’ve been contaminated by the negativity that seems to be the essence of a NYC sports scribe…….Once again, I do regret my jumping the gun of the censorship topic and accusations………

  115. Nick in SF April 28th, 2010 at 2:20 am

    Blech. That kind of stuff has no redeeming value, CR9.

    Red card.

  116. bodhisattva - Destiny Wears Pinstripes April 28th, 2010 at 2:20 am

    Numbers acquire their relevance over the course of a season.

    Good night, all.

  117. CR9 April 28th, 2010 at 2:22 am

    i am straight, not bi
    For Jeets I gay, cannot lie
    dream of Jeets, I fly

  118. CR9 April 28th, 2010 at 2:23 am

    Red Card?

    Tis barely a warning, can I get off with a yellow ;)

  119. trisha - OPPC member who sees, hears, and knows all. 28 is on its way!!!!! April 28th, 2010 at 2:24 am

    Chad, I have a feeling that most of us were sure that you hadn’t done that. Pat M is probably one of the lucky ones who has never had a post gobbled by the censor and so didn’t realize what was happening.

    I think the more posters get to know you, the more inclined they will be to automatically contact you to ask questions rather than to speculate on the forum (meaning that your fairness will have preceded you). And that’s a fair request on your part.

    Thanks for all of your hard work and for always being receptive to our requests.

  120. Nick in SF April 28th, 2010 at 2:25 am

    No more talk of getting off, lest I puke again.

    Goodnight also.

  121. trisha - OPPC member who sees, hears, and knows all. 28 is on its way!!!!! April 28th, 2010 at 2:27 am

    Pat M, I knew you were attempting levity with your post about the constitution! But I figured it was also an opportunity for a teaching moment for any who wondered about censorship and the press – not saying you were one of them.

    :)

  122. trisha - OPPC member who sees, hears, and knows all. 28 is on its way!!!!! April 28th, 2010 at 2:29 am

    Ciao y’all.

    :)

  123. CR9 April 28th, 2010 at 2:31 am

    Nite Trisha

    Nite all.

    Off to dream of a manwich of me, Jeeties, and Alexander the Centaur, I mean, Great! :D

  124. Pat M. April 28th, 2010 at 2:32 am

    Tricia, a little Civics lesson is good for all……..

  125. Rich in NJ April 28th, 2010 at 2:34 am

    “…….I’ve never in all these years had a post that was captured by the selective filter screening………”

    What’s up with that? I bet most of us have had many.

  126. Pat M. April 28th, 2010 at 2:59 am

    To Chad & all my fellow LoHuders……Earlier this evening I had a post that never made it’s way to the blog…..It was the first time this has ever happened to me, and knowing that in the past this was a regular practice by Peter ……I was completely out of line and for that I truly regret my calling into question Chad’s journalistic integrity…..Poor judgement on my part and for that I’m sincerely sorry and I do regret this occurance……….

  127. Nordbek, Denmark April 28th, 2010 at 7:15 am

    1. Granderson, Johnson and Texeira need to start hitting… Cano, Posada, Alex and Jeter can not do it alone.

    Those 3, Granderson, Johnson and Texeira are supposed to be a huge part of the Yankee offense, but as of now they are not contributing anywhere the what you could expect them to.

  128. bill April 28th, 2010 at 7:18 am

    Time to cut Winn he stinks

  129. Gil L April 28th, 2010 at 7:20 am

    very very impressed with hughes!

    the real test of a pitcher is the grind-out start, when his stuff is not there.
    andy p. is a great example (his start vs. texas was a perfect case study).
    hughes was battling himself all day but didn’t give up, and most importantly – didn’t nibble.
    the last couple of innings he was throwing very dangerous fastballs over the plate, but that’s the way you gotta go – make the hitter earn the hit, rely on your defense to make the play.
    5.2 innings and 1 run is a very very good start from your no. 5 pitcher. but we all know hughes isn’t really our no. 5… there’s another guy, a nibbler who’s prone to the big inning…

  130. Gil L April 28th, 2010 at 7:29 am

    on a different note –

    there’s just so much time you can hide the face that your big guns are not producing, and keep winning. when you got close to nothing from your 1b, DH, CF, and very little from your clean-up hitter, the losses will arrive eventually.

    out of the 3 big moves made this off season, this is my premature reaction:
    1) signing NJ – i have no problem with that move. low risk (years+money) stop gap until next year. whatever we get from nick is bonus. cost 0 prospects to get him.
    2) trading for vazquez – as much i disrespect javy, also a move that had to be made. cost us a 4th OF + stud prospect, but in low A ball. take a look, charleston is stacked with potential, but you never know how they develop. we get again a low risk pitcher as a stop gap + allowing joba to reinforce the pen. and we get a lefty set-up. not bad at all.
    3) CG for A-JAX, IPK and coke – this is the one i really don’t like. CG was showing bad stats over 2009, low average, esp. vs. lefties. the price was our no. 2 prospect. i don’t think we’ll miss IPK or coke much, but austin is going to hurt for years. i believe the yanks didn’t evaluate his talent correctly. meanwhile, CG is repeating last year, and looks quite lost at the plate. hope he picks it up and refutes everything i wrote…

    what do you think?

  131. blake April 28th, 2010 at 7:43 am

    Wow,

    Lohud scandal last night apparently.

    I would have left Hughes in to face Scott. IMO if a pitcher is ok to start an inning and they get 2 quick outs then they should be fine to try and finish. I would have made Scott Phil’s last hitter regardless of outcome.

    That said, Girardi didn’t cost the Yankees this game. Even though I would have left Phil in, the decision not to was reasonable. At some point the players have to do their job and they didn’t. The Yankees didn’t hit, had a bullpen lapse in the 6th, and had a defensive lapse in the 8th…that cost them the game…not Joe G.

  132. GreenBeret7 April 28th, 2010 at 7:44 am

    Let’s just unload Vazquez, Teixeira, Granderson, Johnson, Marte, Winn and Thames….trade them for what we can get…release them…Hell with the contracts…get these bums off of our team. If Sabathia doesn’t straighten out by the end of tonight’s game and start pitching better, get rid of him too. Either trade Robertson and Mitre or send them to the minors. If they don’t want to play for us, get rid of them…bury them in the minors, those guttless wonders. Most of all, fire Cashman and Girardi along with that lazy coaching staff.

  133. sunny615 April 28th, 2010 at 7:45 am

    lost to the worst team in baseball. can’t wait for CC to take the mound and wash this bad taste out of my mouth.

    I was at the game last night and it was freakin’ cold! Cano was awesome. The 1-4 hitters were 1-for-Tuesday – just brutal to watch.

  134. upstate kate April 28th, 2010 at 7:54 am

    I don’t get MY9, so couldn’t watch the game last night, just kept track on gameday. Lohud gets too crazy for me at night.

    My thoughts:
    Good on Phil for keeping it close when he didn’t have his best stuff.
    The hitters have to step up. They got the O’s starter’s pitch count up, but then didn’t capitalize on the O’s bullpen.
    The Os are not as bad a team as their record indicates. I watched some of the red sox/Os games while visiting my sister last weekend. Their major weakness (as w/ the Rays in the past) is their bullpen. They can hit, in one of the games they lost, they had 17 hits!

    its still only April, no time to panic :)

  135. Mike C. April 28th, 2010 at 7:55 am

    Just a thought here, I think the Yankees need to balance out there bench…I think they need to look into replacing Randy Winn and bring back Jerry Hairston Jr. Randy Winn has never been a bench player and has been pretty bad this year when given the chance to play. I know its early but if hes only gonna play once a week he will be worthless to the team. Hairston has been a bench guy his entire career and provides much more versatility then Winn, with the ability to play infield and outfield. I mean right now we only have one guy in Pena who can back up in the infield.

  136. upstate kate April 28th, 2010 at 7:55 am

    GB
    How are you feeling? Do you have your dog back? And how are the twins?

  137. GreenBeret7 April 28th, 2010 at 8:01 am

    Mike C. April 28th, 2010 at 7:55 am
    Just a thought here, I think the Yankees need to balance out there bench…I think they need to look into replacing Randy Winn and bring back Jerry Hairston Jr. Randy Winn has never been a bench player and has been pretty bad this year when given the chance to play. I know its early but if hes only gonna play once a week he will be worthless to the team. Hairston has been a bench guy his entire career and provides much more versatility then Winn, with the ability to play infield and outfield. I mean right now we only have one guy in Pena who can back up in the infield.

    ———————————————————————————————————————-

    I’m all for unloading the entire 25 man roster and replacing them all with bench players.

  138. Mark in Tampa April 28th, 2010 at 8:04 am

    Come on GB7, it is completely legit for people to question Vazquez after 4 starts. And NJ, although I am not personally thinking he is doing anything more than slumping. The main issue with him is that he and Tex back to back barely totalling .250 together is a problem. But that doesn’t mean that every fan criticizing these guys is wanting every player cut because they are in a slump.
    There can be legit criticism and exasperation of players that is not whining.

    As for Granderson, he started hot, he is cold now, he will get hot again; but I am very happy with the trade, and I am very excited to see a full season of all his talents with this team. The alternative is that we could have had Cameron with his kidney stones, broken ribs, and 200Ks.

  139. Bill D April 28th, 2010 at 8:05 am

    Mike C:

    I see your point in the team’s bench, but Jerry Hairston is a member of the San Diego Padres and has been playing somewhat regularly and may end up doing more than that with a recent injury to their SS Everth Cabrera. Not quite as simple as saying “let’s just go get Jerry Hairston.”

  140. GreenBeret7 April 28th, 2010 at 8:05 am

    Doing just fine, Kate. Thank you for asking. Hope you and your family are doing great. “Killer” is still with Morgan and the twins. She brings the kids by a couple of times a week, so I get some time with them while she shops. They are a mess. Especially after the pizza and beer lunches. Smart kids. They love Coor’s Light and Domino’s Supreme Pizza.

  141. NYYROC April 28th, 2010 at 8:06 am

    I thought Hughes was impressive, not in the way he was vs Oakland with no-hit stuff, but in the fact that he struggled with his stuff and command and still finished 5.2 IP, 2H, 1 R and the lead. It was a vintage “Andy start”, the kind where Andy says he battles and scuffles but he finds a way to get through it and give the team a chance to win. It was impressive that PH was able to minimize the damage when he had the bases loaded. A year ago he might have let that inning get away from him. But last night he looked like a veteran. Good job Phil!

  142. upstate kate April 28th, 2010 at 8:07 am

    GB
    glad to hear you are bringing up your great-grandbabies the right way :)

  143. GreenBeret7 April 28th, 2010 at 8:09 am

    Should the White sox fans start questioning Floyd and Peavy, or should the Red sox unload Lester and Beckett after 4 starts? I say yes. Get rid of all of them.

  144. GreenBeret7 April 28th, 2010 at 8:10 am

    Kate, I’m only afraid that I’ll spoil the twins. However, I have been assured that all little kids smell that way.

  145. Mike C. April 28th, 2010 at 8:12 am

    Mike C:

    I see your point in the team?s bench, but Jerry Hairston is a member of the San Diego Padres and has been playing somewhat regularly and may end up doing more than that with a recent injury to their SS Everth Cabrera. Not quite as simple as saying ?let?s just go get Jerry Hairston.?

    Bill D.. Thats a good point. I didn’t realize he was getting that much playing time in San Diego. If not Hairston maybe somebody else that can play both infield and outfield.. That type of player would be more usefull to the team then Winn.

  146. Mark in Tampa April 28th, 2010 at 8:15 am

    “Should the White sox fans start questioning Floyd and Peavy, or should the Red sox unload Lester and Beckett after 4 starts? I say yes. Get rid of all of them.”

    Yes, they should be upset with the performance of these guys. But that is not the same thing as demanding their release. I am sure Beckett himself cannot be happy with his 3 IP, 8 ER start the other night. Just because a player will come around and play better as the season progresses doesn’t mean you can’t get upset with a terrible performance or string of performances.
    And, as far as Peavy is concerned, the White Sox should be very concerned, given his well documented reluctance in the past to pitch in the AL.

  147. Patrick from CT April 28th, 2010 at 8:16 am

    Hughes pitch OK, D Rob, not so much.
    The Yankees didn’t hit and didn’t field so they didn’t win.
    I was not a happy camper at the end of the game last night since both the Sox and Rays won thier games.
    Today is a new day and CC is on the hill…

  148. GreenBeret7 April 28th, 2010 at 8:18 am

    I say get rid of every player on the team that isn’t at his projected end of season averages. Get rid of Pettitte, Rivera and Posada too, because they can’t keep this up at their ages.

  149. Betsy - Hughes rules (pleading the Fifth) April 28th, 2010 at 8:20 am

    Chad, I may have jumped the gun as welll, talking as if you had censored the comments even though I knew that you aren’t the kind of person to do that. I feel awful and I apologize for casting any doubts on your integrity.

    As to the game, they just played badly – as they have been doing for the last week or so. The Yankees haven’t really hit on all cylinders even when they were winning. I don’t know if they were really that tired last night or if it was just a bad game, but they are MUCH better than that. They just have to hope that the Rays don’t get away from them (and look out, the Sox are right behihnd them).

    Phil has come so far in a relatively short span of time and I think this is what you have to take from the game. He had nothing and instead of melting down in a place where he’s had his issues, he dug deep and left the game with the lead. I imagine his teammates were impressed with that fortitude- I was. Anyone can pitch when they have their “A” stuff, but the question is how they pitch when they have their “D” stuff. Phil’s just terrific.

    M, those are impressive stats. I guess Phil will eligible after his next start – 18 innings isn’t sufficient to qualify?

  150. Mike RI April 28th, 2010 at 8:20 am

    Lets forget about last night and win the series !

  151. Betsy - Hughes rules (pleading the Fifth) April 28th, 2010 at 8:21 am

    GB, how are you feeling today?

  152. Patrick from CT April 28th, 2010 at 8:21 am

    Randy Winn is the 24th or 25th man on the roster, he means little.
    ARod and Jeter were were both 0-5, and Posada and Jeter both made errors, that’s why the Yankees lost last night. Not a good night for the Captain.
    It will be vary different tonight; you can count on that…

  153. Mark in Tampa April 28th, 2010 at 8:21 am

    “I say get rid of every player on the team that isn’t at his projected end of season averages. Get rid of Pettitte, Rivera and Posada too, because they can’t keep this up at their ages.”

    I can see there is no chance of a rational discussion about this. Have a nice day.

  154. upstate kate April 28th, 2010 at 8:22 am

    for some positive news…Robbie Cano is leading all of MLB w/ a .389 BA!!! Looks like hitting in the 5 spot is working out for him. Vladdy is in 2nd place w/ .378…wonder in Angels fans are whining about him being traded.

  155. MTU (aka GBURL) April 28th, 2010 at 8:22 am

    GB-

    That about says it all.

    It’s why I am rarely around for the game threads.

    Nice game by Hirsch yesterday.

  156. GreenBeret7 April 28th, 2010 at 8:23 am

    I’m doing just fine this morning, Betsy. Thank you for asking. Hope all is well in your family.

  157. GreenBeret7 April 28th, 2010 at 8:24 am

    Mark in Tampa April 28th, 2010 at 8:21 am
    “I say get rid of every player on the team that isn’t at his projected end of season averages. Get rid of Pettitte, Rivera and Posada too, because they can’t keep this up at their ages.”

    I can see there is no chance of a rational discussion about this. Have a nice day.

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    It makes as much sense as the stupidity that gets spewed on here on a daily/nightly basis.

  158. GreenBeret7 April 28th, 2010 at 8:28 am

    MTU (aka GBURL) April 28th, 2010 at 8:22 am
    GB-

    That about says it all.

    It’s why I am rarely around for the game threads.

    Nice game by Hirsch yesterday.

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    Yeah, Hirsh was outstanding last night. so was kelvin Perez for charleston. Not a lot of hitting going on in the system right now, though it will pick up. Romine, Nunez, Golson, Curtis and Russo are picking up the pace and Laird his hitting for power. Others throughout the farm are picking it up, too. It’s the pitching that’s really shining, though.

  159. Betsy - Hughes rules (pleading the Fifth) April 28th, 2010 at 8:28 am

    Good to hear it GB -everyone is fine, thanks!

  160. Lowest Common Denominator April 28th, 2010 at 8:29 am

    If you can’t beat us, join us!

  161. GreenBeret7 April 28th, 2010 at 8:31 am

    Kate, Cano has had very few bad at bats this year, and, it’s shocking, but, most of his 9 strikeouts are looking. He’s added 7 walks already, so his selective agressiveness approach is really paying off. It’s the approach that Johnson needs to get to.

  162. MTU (aka GBURL) April 28th, 2010 at 8:32 am

    Gb-

    What’s your thinking on Randy Winn ?

    Would Golson be a good replacement candidate IYM ?

  163. Mark in Tampa April 28th, 2010 at 8:32 am

    “It makes as much sense as the stupidity that gets spewed on here on a daily/nightly basis.”

    Fair enough, I am not going to paint myself into a corner this morning defending people I don’t agree with. But I think there is a difference between legit anger over under-performance and going overboard with demanding a DFA of every player who makes a mistake.

    The only player I really am not happy with is Vazquez, mostly because what we are seeing is what I was afraid of when they acquired him. I am sure he will be better than this, but I fully expect a 4.5+ ERA and many disappointing performances, given his AL track record. That is much more realistic than expecting him to repeat last year’s performance.

  164. NYYROC April 28th, 2010 at 8:33 am

    A few other interesting Hughes stats: The walks and pitch counts are too high but after 3 starts he’s 2-0 with an ERA of 2.00 a WHIP of .94 a Batting Avg Against of .103 and has K’d 18 in 18 IP. How’s that for a 5th starter? :)

  165. Betsy - Hughes rules (pleading the Fifth) April 28th, 2010 at 8:34 am

    http://www.nydailynews.com/blo.....our-e.html

    Hughes didn’t feel good with his fastball – or his curveball or anything else, for that matter – but he grinded his way through 5 2/3 innings, leaving the game with a 2-1 lead.

    “I’ve just got to trust my stuff a little more,” Hughes said. “I look up after 5 2/3 when I felt the worst that I’ve felt in a long time and it’s one run on two hits. I have to know my stuff is good enough and just attack the strike zone, not nibble as much as I was early on.”

  166. Betsy - Hughes rules (pleading the Fifth) April 28th, 2010 at 8:36 am

    NYYROC, the good thing is that the walks WILL come down. He was really not that wild the Angels (it’s understandable that he’d be less than sharp in his first start in a year) and he didn’t have much of anything last night. He’s got great stuff – he’s just very hard to hit. Phil is off to an excellent start.

  167. GreenBeret7 April 28th, 2010 at 8:38 am

    MTU, Winn will be just fine. He’s barely had any playing time as far as at bats, so far. He’ll pay off in the long run and NYY will be happy to have him. If he doesn’t get things together by mid-to-lare June, then you consider it. It depends on whether Golson stays on his pace or not, though. Golson actually has the same gifts/talent as Austin Jackson and isn’t much older than Jackson. It’s up to him to get it working, though.

  168. Betsy - Hughes rules (pleading the Fifth) April 28th, 2010 at 8:38 am

    http://www.nj.com/yankees/inde.....tment.html

    But Hughes, who started the Yankees’ 5-4 defeat to the Orioles, still managed to allow only one run in 5 2/3 innings. So how did he do it, despite walking four and admitting he had no feel for his stuff?

    Part of it was an adjustment. Sensing that he wasn’t on top of his game, Yankees pitching coach Dave Eiland suggested that Hughes shorten his stride, an adjustment that catcher Jorge Posada said would encourage Hughes to smooth out his mechanics.

    Said Hughes: “I had to do something because I was out of whack.”

    The adjustment didn’t make Hughes’ outing any prettier, but it worked well enough to keep the pitcher in the game, which impressed Posada.

    “When everything’s going good, everything’s bread and butter,” Posada said. “Today it shows you a little maturity, trying to stay in the game and give us a chance.”

  169. Doreen - GTLU Standings & Rules April 28th, 2010 at 8:39 am

    Mark in Tampa -

    I can get behind being disappointed with some of the poor performances to date, but angry?

    We’d all love to see Tex, et al., start hitting sooner rather than later; we’d all love for Javy to get it together yesterday; we all wish the bullpen could get it gear in April rather than May/June.

    But with all that’s not been “clicking,” the Yankees aren’t doing nearly as poorly as they have in Aprils past. You know they’re going to “play to the back of their baseball cards,” at least for the most part you can safely guess that they are.

    I can’t see anger, though. These people are not hurting you in any way by not getting hits or playing a sloppy game, are they? It’s not as if they go out their deliberately trying to fail.

    Again, I understand disappointment and a kind of impatience that you want to see them going full tilt already. Me too. It’s frustrating to watch Teixeira, and now 19 games into the season still saying, well, he looks like he’s coming around any day now.

    But any “discussion” that includes anger and making wholesale changes in April, even late April is premature.

    And you cannot discount the fact that of their 19 games, they’ve played 6 – SIX – at home. How ridiculous is that? it is as if the schedule makers went out of their way to set the Yankees up for a miserable start. And guess what? It didn’t really work out that way, did it. They will end April with one of their better starts in awhile, no matter what happens the next 2 nights.

  170. blake April 28th, 2010 at 8:42 am

    The Yanks are still 12-7 with an offense that is nowhere close to firing at full strength. They have got virtually nothing from Tex and less than normal production from Jeter, Nj, Arod, and Granderson.

    If the rotation continues to perform as they have most of the season then they will get on a roll and start piling up wins when those guys start to hit. It may even happen tonight…need to be patient with Guthrie and get him out of there early.

  171. Betsy - Hughes rules (pleading the Fifth) April 28th, 2010 at 8:43 am

    Doreen, great post. Frustration? Temporary anger at the Yankees? I’ve felt it and will feel it again………but real anger? It’s just a baseball game – these guys don’t give less than their best. They’re also exhausted; they’ve been on the road for a month.

  172. MTU (aka GBURL) April 28th, 2010 at 8:44 am

    GB-

    Gotcha re: Winn. Hope he improves.

    Since Pitching by far the most important commodity in Baseball I’m heartened, to say the least, that it’s a strength of our Minor league
    affiliates.

    Phelps seemed OK yesterday as well though the outing was short.

    He is doing extremely well so far, and has taken his Mission Impossible assignment with vigor. :)

  173. NYYROC April 28th, 2010 at 8:46 am

    Betsy, Thanks for the links to the articles. Good stuff!

  174. Doreen - GTLU Standings & Rules April 28th, 2010 at 8:46 am

    Betsy -

    Longer if you include spring training!!

  175. Bill D April 28th, 2010 at 8:47 am

    “Golson actually has the same gifts/talent as Austin Jackson and isn’t much older than Jackson”

    Except the gift of getting on base with reasonable frequency. That said, he probably has more pop than Jackson ever will.

  176. GreenBeret7 April 28th, 2010 at 8:51 am

    On the average, Ma thru July is Granderson’s best months. Teixeira, Jeter and Rodriguez usually get hot in May and stay hot through until the end. johnson and Swisher usually hold steady throughout the year. around .270 and .250, respectively.

  177. Rick April 28th, 2010 at 8:52 am

    Go figure. The Rays with the best record in baseball drew 10,825 fans to see last night’s game.

  178. Bill D April 28th, 2010 at 8:55 am

    Rick:

    There have been some brutal attendance figures popping up this year. Saw one in Camden Yards that drew 9,800.

  179. GreenBeret7 April 28th, 2010 at 8:58 am

    The Yanks seem to be trying to contol Phelps’ innings. This is only his 3rd Pro season, but still averaging 5.2 innings, but, what’s not to like about 12 hits, 2 runs, 3 walks and 18 strikeouts in 16.2 innings? I don’t recall his pitch counts being overly high.

  180. MTU (aka GBURL) April 28th, 2010 at 9:00 am

    With this economic backdrop many, if not all, teams have been forced to rethink the way they do buisness.

    It’s not “let the good times roll” out there. :(

  181. randy l. April 28th, 2010 at 9:01 am

    “There have been some brutal attendance figures popping up this year. Saw one in Camden Yards that drew 9,800.”

    we’re trying not to use that word “brutal” around here :)

  182. Alan April 28th, 2010 at 9:02 am

    C.C. will right the ship. No point in mentioning which bats need to come alive. It’s like the calm before the storm. Once they join Cano, Posada, it’s havoc time for AL pitchers.
    Phil showed guts in spite of getting squeezed by horrific calls. By all rights he should have a 3-0 record.

  183. MTU (aka GBURL) April 28th, 2010 at 9:02 am

    GB-

    I started really noticing Phelps when you mentioned him.

    I have him, Z-Mac, and Warren on the radar.

    Haven’t heard much yet on Man-Ban ? How’s he doing so far ?

  184. upstate kate April 28th, 2010 at 9:06 am

    IIRC, it has been reported that Baltimore tried to package tickets, so you couldn’t get tix to a single Yankees game, which would certainly discourage Yankees fans from attending. As for the Rays, I wonder if part of the problem is the elderly population. My Mom is a devoted Rays fan, but is in her 80s, and only attends games if we are visiting and take her. It seems w/ the free concerts after sat night games, they are trying to appeal to a younger fan base. The seats have been empty in toronto as well, but then again it is hockey play offs.

  185. GreenBeret7 April 28th, 2010 at 9:09 am

    MTU (aka GBURL) April 28th, 2010 at 9:02 am
    GB-

    I started really noticing Phelps when you mentioned him.

    I have him, Z-Mac, and Warren on the radar.

    Haven’t heard much yet on Man-Ban ? How’s he doing so far ?

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    Banuelos is on the DL and will be out for the next month. He had his appendix removed. Next will be his tonsils and measles and mumps…all of those childhood maladies.

  186. Betsy - Hughes rules (Pleading the Fifth) April 28th, 2010 at 9:12 am

    NYYRoc, you’re welcome!

    Doreen, that’s right…..these guys need a good home cooked meal and they need to sleep in their own beds.

    Didn’t the Yankees try to control Phil’s innings in the minors and took it way too far? They never let him go past a certain pitch count and that has not helped his stamina to be sure.

  187. MTU (aka GBURL) April 28th, 2010 at 9:13 am

    GB-

    Re: Man-Ban. We can live with all the post-pubescent stuff as long as he keeps growing into his body.

    In his case filling out a little would be a good thing. ;)

  188. Mark in Tampa April 28th, 2010 at 9:14 am

    Doreen,

    I wrote anger mainly because it is only 6 letters and I got tired of typing Frustration and Disappoinment. I am not actually angry at anybody, even GB7! :)

  189. Bill D April 28th, 2010 at 9:14 am

    Kate:

    Must kill the O’s front office when a Yankees/Boston series occurs early in the week. For a weekend series against those teams, they’ll draw 120,000 for a three gamer. The early mid-week series, they’re lucky to hit 70,000 (they drew 20,000 last night). I think you’re right about that package thing. Not just an O’s problem though. 4 of the 7 AL games last night drew less than 15,000. Only one drew more than 23,000.

  190. miggs- GTLU Reigning Champion April 28th, 2010 at 9:19 am

    How in the world can you call Phil Hughes’ outing brutal when he goes 5 2/3 innings, allows 1 run and 2 hits, and leaves with a 2-1 lead?

    If Hughes was brutal I’d love to hear the adjectives to describe Vazquez’s starts, in which the words “awful” “embarrassing” and “disgraceful” immediately come to mind.

  191. Melkman is in Hotlanta April 28th, 2010 at 9:21 am

    “””””””””””””””it’s a fine line we walk criticizing Tex. He’s a terrific player, but he is hurting the team badly; he gives up a whole month of the season every year.. That said, Alex hasn’t hit that great (no power), Granderson is in a slump, Swisher hasn’t been great. I mean, that’s a huge chunk of the lineup not doing squat. Eventually they’re going to be fine…..but hopefully eventually will come soon.””””””””””””

    There should be a clause in Tex’s contract, that when he slumps away the first month or two of every new season, he should donate his salary to a charitable cause. Tex is stealing money from the Steinbrenners.

  192. upstate kate April 28th, 2010 at 9:21 am

    Bill D
    I know Toronto complains if they don’t get a weekend Yankees series. They draw a lot from western NY.

  193. Mark in Tampa April 28th, 2010 at 9:21 am

    We jump on other teams/cities for low attendance, but for those with short memories, watch some Don Mattingly highlights. His right field home runs routinely rattled amongst the empty seats, both lower and upper decks. The late ’80s Yankees regularly drew less than 20K for weeknight games.

  194. upstate kate April 28th, 2010 at 9:22 am

    even when Tex isn’t contributing w/ the bat, he contributes w/ the glove…lets not forget the Giambi years

  195. Doreen - GTLU Standings & Rules April 28th, 2010 at 9:24 am

    Mark in Tampa -

    LOL!

    I am one of the people here who doesn’t seem to know when to stop typing…

  196. Betsy - Hughes rules (Pleading the Fifth) April 28th, 2010 at 9:26 am

    To clarify, Phil didn’t say he was bad, he said he FELT bad, the worst he’s ever felt on the mound. However, his #s don’t back that up. Brutal would be the pen’s performance…

  197. Bill D April 28th, 2010 at 9:29 am

    “How in the world can you call Phil Hughes’ outing brutal when he goes 5 2/3 innings, allows 1 run and 2 hits, and leaves with a 2-1 lead?”

    Not an adjective, but I’d have referred to it as a grinder. Faced 21 batters on the night and they all were seeing 5+ pitches per plate appearance on average. That’s a tough night for a pitcher, yet he was able to fight his way thru it. I was actually OK with him being pulled at 109 when Scott was coming up, because it was a tough 109 and Scott, who saw 15 pitches in his 2 PA’s against Hughes (reaching both times), was a big part of it. Lot of heart in that effort.

  198. pat April 28th, 2010 at 9:29 am

    Why so much issue with the word brutal? It just means Hughes was fighting his way through without his ideal stuff.

  199. vectorious April 28th, 2010 at 9:31 am

    not sure if anybody posted this yet but I came across a pretty cool article on Yahoo. It was an interview with Jorge talking about his experience catching all types of different pitchers through the years. There was interesting stuff in there- specifically the Pettitte knuckleball bit, his relationship with David Cone, and of course the regret of 2001. it’s worth checking out

    http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/ne.....sada042710

  200. Melkman is in Hotlanta April 28th, 2010 at 9:37 am

    Ok here is the Damon vs. Grandy watch: Cashman really messed up offensivel wise

    Damon:
    Team G AB R H 2B 3B HR RBI BB K SB CS AVG OBP SLG
    Det 21 73 15 24 8 0 0 8 14 12 1 0 .329 .443 .438

    Granderson:

    NYY 19 65 9 15 2 2 2 7 9 14 4 0 .231 .324 .415

  201. vectorious April 28th, 2010 at 9:39 am

    Regardless of what adjective was used to describe Phil’s start, I think overall it should be taken as a positive. He went out there without his A game, in a park he’s struggled at, and willed his way through 5+ innings. He was one out away from a QS. From a developing 5th starter, I’ll take that as +1 for his character. Grinding out a game like that is something you want to see from everybody.

  202. Melkman is in Hotlanta April 28th, 2010 at 9:41 am

    The sore calve muscles sure are a hindrance to Damon’s production. We upgraded defensively our CF position, but will continue to reap Grandy’s lack of hitting. He will become a platoon player soon enough.

  203. upstate kate April 28th, 2010 at 9:42 am

    Vectorious
    thanks for the link, that was interesting.

    I loved Damon as much as anyone, well maybe not as much as Erica, but (by his choice) he isn’t our guy anymore, Granderson is, so lets move on

  204. Melkman is in Hotlanta April 28th, 2010 at 9:42 am

    Phil Hughes showed heart and the makings of a true Yankee. Grandy, JV, NJ need to take note of Young Master Hughe’s example.

  205. Mark in Tampa April 28th, 2010 at 9:45 am

    I don’t think it is legit to compare Damon and Granderson. Granderson did not take Damon’s spot in the lineup or in the field. Granderson being with the Yankees is not, I don’t think, the reason that Damon is not. Besides, to make a definitive comparison at this point is way too early. I am pretty sure Granderson will outperform Damon over the course of 162 games and certainly over the next 3 seasons.

    The more direct comparison should be Damon vs. Nick Johnson or Brett Gardner. You could certainly argue that Brett has brought more to the table thus far than Damon would have, especially when you factor in the fielding. But, you could also argue that Damon would have been a better DH and 2 hitter for 1 year than NJ, slump or not.

  206. Melkman is in Hotlanta April 28th, 2010 at 9:45 am

    We will move on to see Grandy demoted to a platoon player and wonder if he will ever realize his potential. Meanwhile, we could have signed Johnny for two years and received excellent production etc etc. It is very hard to move on from a cashman bonehead decision.

  207. tex's friend April 28th, 2010 at 9:47 am

    The more direct comparison should be Damon vs. Nick Johnson or Brett Gardner. You could certainly argue that Brett has brought more to the table thus far than Damon would have, especially when you factor in the fielding. But, you could also argue that Damon would have been a better DH and 2 hitter for 1 year than NJ, slump or not.
    ___

    Damon wasnt taking a 1 year from the yankees.

  208. Erin April 28th, 2010 at 9:47 am

    vectorious, thanks for the link-that was really cool! :)

  209. Doreen - GTLU Standings & Rules April 28th, 2010 at 9:48 am

    vectorious -

    Loved reading that. Thanks.

  210. tex's friend April 28th, 2010 at 9:49 am

    hughes showed a lot last night. he got through with less than his A game. thats what a good pitcher does. Sad that the pen came and blew it for him.

  211. Melkman is in Hotlanta April 28th, 2010 at 9:49 am

    “I don’t think it is legit to compare Damon and Granderson. Granderson did not take Damon’s spot in the lineup or in the field. Granderson being with the Yankees is not, I don’t think, the reason that Damon is not. Besides, to make a definitive comparison at this point is way too early. I am pretty sure Granderson will outperform Damon over the course of 162 games and certainly over the next 3 sea”

    NJ should be compared to Godzilla and JD to CG. Those are the replacements.

  212. upstate kate April 28th, 2010 at 9:49 am

    Erin
    did you see that Robbie is leading all of MLB in BA :)

  213. Andrew April 28th, 2010 at 9:50 am

    No one cares about guys that aren’t on the 2010 Yankees, which seems to be your one and only obsession considering a) your handle and b) it’s all you post about. When the otherworldly talents from 2009 that are no longer on the Yankees go into their slumps, which are guaranteed to occur and are occurring currently for the guy you named yourself after, I’ll be interested to see if you’re still around here posting their statistics. But then again, when Granderson, Vazquez and Nick Johnson start once again performing to their career norms, you will probably not have a damn peep to say, except for maybe saying “they haven’t proven anything to you yet and they aren’t TRUE YANKEES”, or some such nonsense. Go away, please.

  214. Mark in Tampa April 28th, 2010 at 9:51 am

    “Damon wasnt taking a 1 year from the yankees”

    I understand that, but the arguments and comparisons are all theoretical anyway since Damon is not a Yankee and the others are.

  215. Rich in NJ April 28th, 2010 at 9:52 am

    “did you see that Robbie is leading all of MLB in BA”

    And is 6th in OPS (1.113).

  216. Doreen - GTLU Standings & Rules April 28th, 2010 at 9:52 am

    Melkman -

    I would say no -

    Because Granderson was a Yankee already and Cashman was still trying to negotiate with Damon, so Granderson did not replace Damon.

    But Damon, if signed was going to replace Matsui. So, NJ replaces Matsui. Granderson ends up replacing Melky.

    It’s more of a web than a straight line here.

  217. Melkman is in Hotlanta April 28th, 2010 at 9:53 am

    I find your intolerance quite disturbing. NO, I’m afraid I won’t go away. Perhaps you could joint the brown shirts, they had similar feeling about repressing free speech.

  218. Erin April 28th, 2010 at 9:54 am

    upstate kate April 28th, 2010 at 9:49 am
    Erin
    did you see that Robbie is leading all of MLB in BA

    ********************
    I did!!! I saw that last night-I’m still excited! :)

  219. Andrew April 28th, 2010 at 9:56 am

    Oh yeah it’s an attack on your free speech to call you out for repeating the same garbage on the Internet (which is, after all, serious business) day after day. You bring nothing to the table besides whining and talking in hypotheticals about ‘true Yankees’ and players ‘make-up’, which you know nothing about and which is also just about the dumbest thing fans throw around when trying to criticize players. But of course, you are the victim, not the people that try to read this site for thoughtful discussion yet day after day have to wade through your gibberish.

  220. Rich in NJ April 28th, 2010 at 10:00 am

    Free speech? Heh. When did LoHud become a state owned entity?

  221. Erica - always OPPC - Sesame Street Mafia and GTLU supporter April 28th, 2010 at 10:01 am

    Doreen-

    I didn’t know you were a Gleek!!!!

    I had a lot of confused people commenting after I put that quote in my status cause they thought I got a cat. LOL

    Side note-

    I am wearing gla-ses to work today for the first time ever. After 6 years of always wearing my contacts no one even knew I needed them.

  222. William Buckner April 28th, 2010 at 10:01 am

    I have to vent a little from last night.
    First, Hughes is going to be very good. When you have as little as he had last night and can still go 5.2 while allowing only 6 men to reach, that is battling.

    Second, 7 losses, 4 totally on the bull pen. I know the pen is a work in progress and will be figured out, but this is pretty frustrating.

    Lastly, and what angered me most, was I was listening to the O’s radio broadcast on my drive home. Their Jon Miller wanna be and their color man were comparing Cano to Pedroia. They agreed that Cano was the better player, but said he would never get as much out of himself and Pedroia does.

    What the hell is that? How do you know? How does someone measure effort? I don’t think there is anything in baseball I hate more than that. No different than some here comparing “heart.”

    Cano is better, therefore when he does most things in the sport it looks easier. He’s no Soriano Cadillacing around the bases. I guess Fake Miller would think the same about Lyle Overbay vs. Albert Pujols.

  223. Joe from Long Island April 28th, 2010 at 10:04 am

    Good morning all –

    1. GB – Haven’t chatted with you in a while – hope your’e doing well and hanging in there.

    2. For the first time, last night, I got thoroughly disgusted with reading in-game comments. It didn’t seem worth it to go thru all the trolling to find the good ones. Maybe the ugly loss played a role in that, though I have slogged thru other losses. Is it just me, or is the trolling more vile this year?

    3. While no loss is a good one, last night was expecially disappointing. Phil really seemed to have a learning and maturing expeience, grinding it into the 6th with only one run scored. As he said postgame, that wouldn’t have happened in the past. Too bad that gringing didn’t turn into a W, but it will in the future.

    4. Pat M had a comment deleted? Are you kidding? Must have been a tech issue (I’ve had that happen, thought not for a long while). Can’t believe Chad was the culprit. From what I’ve seen of Chad he’s a very decent and professional sort. Must be that Missouri upbringing.

    5. The team will be fine. Everybody has rough spots. It’s important to remember that they are fundamentally very sound. DRob will get it together, and perform at a high level again. He just needs regular work. With this staff, Joe’s biggest challenge will be finding enough work to keep everyone sharp. He may actually have to take a starter out earlier to work some of these guys.

    6. And speaking of work, it’s off I go.

    Later, guys.

  224. Rich in NJ April 28th, 2010 at 10:04 am

    “What the hell is that? How do you know? How does someone measure effort? I don’t think there is anything in baseball I hate more than that. No different than some here comparing “heart.””

    I think it’s a subtle form of racism. Are darker skinned players ever referred to as “gritty” or “scrappy”? If so, I can’t recall it.

  225. Melkman is in Hotlanta April 28th, 2010 at 10:04 am

    As long as my opinions agree with yours everything is right in the world. Well, I’m sorry, we don’t live in a dictatorship. In a free press, I am allowed to enlighten you with my correct point of view. Perhaps authoritarian types like you could take a break in Cuba, Venezuela, Iran…

  226. Doreen - GTLU Standings & Rules April 28th, 2010 at 10:06 am

    Erica -

    Yeah, I’m a Gleek!!

    I was in chorus/theater when I was in high school. and joined the musical theater group in college. I love it!

  227. Mark in Tampa April 28th, 2010 at 10:07 am

    “They agreed that Cano was the better player, but said he would never get as much out of himself and Pedroia does.”

    That seems to be the theme around baseball when comparing these two. Probably has something to do with Pedroia getting his uniform dirty sometime before the first pitch and diving for balls hit right at him.

  228. Melkman is in Hotlanta April 28th, 2010 at 10:09 am

    “I think it’s a subtle form of racism. Are darker skinned players ever referred to as “gritty” or “scrappy”? If so, I can’t recall it.”

    OH please you moron.

  229. Jerkface April 28th, 2010 at 10:09 am

    NJ replaces Damon (has no platoon splits, 2nd hitter)
    Cano replaces Matsui (5th hitter)
    Granderson replaces Melky (CFer, not 2nd or 5th) or Matsui (because of the power production)
    Gardner replaces Damon’s fielding / Melky

    They are not straight up replacements because players were brought in for different positions to assume the roles that were held previously. Our DH used to be middle of the order, but 2010 it was going to be our 2 spot because it was either Damon or NJ.

  230. Bronx Jeers April 28th, 2010 at 10:10 am

    Good pitchers fight through the starts even without their best stuff and provide their teams with an opportunity to win. Phil did exactly that.

    Brutal? Well maybe if you compare it to his last start but you can’t argue with the result.

    Dave Robertson has pitched in 7 games. 1 game was when he gave up 3 hard luck singles and then grooved one to Abreu. Then there was last night and in the other 5 games he’s been fine.

    I don’t know about the rest of you but I wasn’t really feeling Gardner in the 2 spot when it came down to the 9th inning. I know he’s hitting .300 but I’d like to see Granderson get a shot in that spot in the order like many argued for during spring.

  231. pat April 28th, 2010 at 10:12 am

    Unwritten rule of blog etiquette-

    If you’ve stated your opinion enough that everyone knows what you are going to write before you type it. It is unnecessary to type it.

  232. Jerkface April 28th, 2010 at 10:12 am

    A start can be brutal even if the results end up positive. Hughes had no command and was throwing a ton of pitches to the orioles. It WAS brutal watching him get fouled off again and again before losing fastballs out of the zone.

  233. Doreen - GTLU Standings & Rules April 28th, 2010 at 10:12 am

    jerkface -

    Exactly. Not straightforward replacements, and more difficult to judge, I think.

  234. Mark in Tampa April 28th, 2010 at 10:13 am

    I didn’t get to see the first 7 innings last night, and it sounds like that was a good thing; but if Hughes truly had nothing last night and still had the kind of performance he did, that is a great sign of his continued development.

  235. Fran (the original) and OPPC member April 28th, 2010 at 10:14 am

    Doreen,

    Good post at 8:39. The schedule has been unkind to the Yankees. Besides not being home much, they had to make a west coast trip and had a lot of off days which doesn’t help consistency either. And yet they still managed to win 5 of 6 series.

  236. William Buckner April 28th, 2010 at 10:14 am

    “I think it’s a subtle form of racism. Are darker skinned players ever referred to as “gritty” or “scrappy”? If so, I can’t recall it.”

    Rich,
    I really hope that isn’t true, even though it might be.

    I remember playing sports and there were guys we called “practice players.” They’d do stuff like dive when they had no chance at the ball or slam equipment when they didn’t produce.

    We all felt it was an exercise in making it look like “getting most” out of themselves. Pedroia reminds me of that.

    He’s a “web gem.” He’ll dive for a ball Cano comes up with easy and ESPN will act like he’s the second coming.

    And I don’t mean for this to be Cano vs. Pedroia, cause he’s a great player too. It’s more about Fake Jon Miller.

    As an aside. Why mimic Jon Miller? He sucks and can’t say anyone’s name right.

  237. Doreen - GTLU Standings & Rules April 28th, 2010 at 10:15 am

    Bronx Jeers -

    Re: Gardner in the 2 spot in the ninth. I wasn’t really comfortable with that either, but really, I was more resigned to the game’s doneness when Teixeira came up to bat. Luckily that turned out okay. It was a shame ARod’s hit didn’t go through, but I’m glad they didn’t go down without a fight. It bodes well for when they’re running on more cylinders. :)

  238. Rich in NJ April 28th, 2010 at 10:15 am

    Melkman is in Hotlanta

    Being called a moron by a fool like you is high praise.

  239. MaineYankee April 28th, 2010 at 10:15 am

    pat April 28th, 2010 at 10:12 am
    Unwritten rule of blog etiquette-

    If you?ve stated your opinion enough that everyone knows what you are going to write before you type it. It is unnecessary to type it.

    ————————————————————————————————–

    Very good point. Alot of dead horses along the side of the road here.

  240. Doreen - GTLU Standings & Rules April 28th, 2010 at 10:15 am

    Not “luckily” – “happily”

  241. William Buckner April 28th, 2010 at 10:16 am

    “I know he’s hitting .300 but I’d like to see Granderson get a shot in that spot in the order like many argued for during spring.”

    Probably would be, but he’s like 1 for last 20.

  242. Bronx Jeers April 28th, 2010 at 10:17 am

    I am wearing gla-ses to work today for the first time ever. After 6 years of always wearing my contacts no one even knew I needed them.

    ———————————————————
    What style of frame?

    Sexy librarian or Jan Brady?

  243. upstate kate April 28th, 2010 at 10:17 am

    much as I dislike listening to Joe Morgan, he always goes out of his way to praise Cano, and others do on the mlb network as well

    last night’s loss can also be blamed on the defense and offense, no just the bullpen. The Os don’t even have a real closer. The Yankees at least threatened in the 9th. Today will be a better day.

  244. pat April 28th, 2010 at 10:18 am

    “He’s a “web gem.” He’ll dive for a ball Cano comes up with easy and ESPN will act like he’s the second coming.”

    “It’s not even close between them,” a scout said. “Cano is the better overall player. Pedroia tends to over-do everything; Cano under-does some things. Cano is a lot better hitter.”
    http://www.nypost.com/p/sports.....z0mP7WU3Qf

  245. Mark in Tampa April 28th, 2010 at 10:18 am

    “He’ll dive for a ball Cano comes up with easy and ESPN will act like he’s the second coming.”

    I guess you haven’t been paying attention, but ESPN, MLB network, etc have officially made Jason Heyward the second coming. His early power numbers are nice, but I was amazed to see he is batting just .224 rather than @1.000, the way the highlights would have you believe.

  246. Melkman is in Hotlanta April 28th, 2010 at 10:18 am

    Rich in NJ

    Then take your place among the top fools.

  247. MaineYankee April 28th, 2010 at 10:19 am

    Based on the season so far it looks like Gardner is a good choice for the #2 hitter. May not be that way all season but for now it seems like a good choice.

  248. Doreen - GTLU Standings & Rules April 28th, 2010 at 10:20 am

    I think the fact that the defense sputtered last night really speaks to the fatigue issue. They’d been playing excellent defense all along. I would think when you’re dragging a bit, those fielding errors are going to happen because you lose some agility/precision when you’re tired.

  249. Mark in Tampa April 28th, 2010 at 10:22 am

    When Arod’s ball got past the pitcher I was sure it was a hit. But they had the 2B positioned well. It is amazing how well ML teams position their fielders now, based on the spray charts, compared to 10-15 years ago. Or maybe it is more amazing that teams didn’t do it sooner.

  250. Rich in NJ April 28th, 2010 at 10:22 am

    Melkman is in Hotlanta

    Say whatever you want. Your posts are comical and everyone here knows it.

  251. Andrew April 28th, 2010 at 10:24 am

    Last night the offense also suffered because of the fact that Posada is just a terrible baserunner. He is a great player obviously, and offensively is one of the only goes that’s been pretty consistent from Game 1 this year, but whenever he is on the bases and has to run the bases, it is just an adventure to say the least. That inning could have been a big one, and his getting picked off 2nd on one of Tejada’s many butcher jobs at 3rd really killed the offensive momentum being built.

  252. Erica - always OPPC - Sesame Street Mafia and GTLU supporter April 28th, 2010 at 10:25 am

    Bronx Jeers April 28th, 2010 at 10:17 am
    I am wearing gla-ses to work today for the first time ever. After 6 years of always wearing my contacts no one even knew I needed them.

    ???????????????????
    What style of frame?

    Sexy librarian or Jan Brady?

    ********************

    I have a big head so I need a big frame. I also had trouble seeing when I had a smaller frame. I hope I am going for sexy librarian…..

    But I have always been the girl that gets called “cute” and not “hot”.

    I got very good feedback at work though

  253. pat April 28th, 2010 at 10:27 am

    “When Arod’s ball got past the pitcher I was sure it was a hit. But they had the 2B positioned well”

    Earlier in the game, Kenny and Kay were discussing the height of the infield grass and how it was slowing down balls. That seemed to factor in to.

  254. blake April 28th, 2010 at 10:29 am

    I think one of the problems with the Cano/pedroia debate is that writers vastly underestimate Pedroias ability..making him seem like this average Joe who became great through sheer will. I got news for them you don’t make it to the big leagues and win an MVp solely because you “try hardest”….the guy has unbelievable hand eye coordination and various other baseball skills that Normal people don’t have.

    They just see a little guy that’s “overachieving” and compare him to Cano. That isn’t how it works. Of you could make it to the majors on will alone I would be there right now.

  255. Shame Spencer April 28th, 2010 at 10:30 am

    Mark in Tampa – you’re so right. My personal favorite shifts occured when Giambi was up, it seemed so ridiculous to move half the in-field over by an entire position but it worked 90% of the time. I was always amazed by it. I’m easily entertained..

    I did think Arods hit would make it up the middle at first, but they had him played perfectly. I was a little disappointed he swung at the first pitch in that situation. But I’ve always been the type of hitter that likes to make a pitcher throw me a couple, he’s the professional and liked what he saw. I just felt like Simon was in a tight spot and it may have benefited him to let him toss a couple across the plate.

    I think Gardner would be a great #2 hitter if he can learn to be a little more patient at the plate and take a few more pitches. Johnson is slumping average wise right now but doesnt he have like 20 walks already?

  256. Doreen - GTLU Standings & Rules April 28th, 2010 at 10:32 am

    blake -

    I think you make a good point about Pedroia, and one I haven’t actually read before. :)

  257. Erin April 28th, 2010 at 10:33 am

    Doreen – GTLU Standings & Rules April 28th, 2010 at 10:20 am
    I think the fact that the defense sputtered last night really speaks to the fatigue issue.

    *********************
    Totally agree. Somebody posted before the game that Kay had been saying that the whole team was exhausted, which is certainly understandable. lol

  258. Rich in NJ April 28th, 2010 at 10:33 am

    blake

    Even after winning the MVP? Pedroia has a ton of talent.

  259. Erica - always OPPC - Sesame Street Mafia and GTLU supporter April 28th, 2010 at 10:34 am

    new thread :arrow:
    Pitching match ups

  260. MTU (aka GBURL) April 28th, 2010 at 10:34 am

    Blake-

    ” Of you could make it to the majors on will alone I would be there right now.”

    If you did that then who would torture the poor townsfolk by working on their teeth. ;)

  261. MTS April 28th, 2010 at 10:35 am

    I think it’s a subtle form of racism. Are darker skinned players ever referred to as “gritty” or “scrappy”? If so, I can’t recall it.
    _______________________
    Homer Bush

  262. Mark in Tampa April 28th, 2010 at 10:35 am

    Shame Spencer,

    Last week, the Rays played a 5 IF, 2 OF defense in a crucial late inning spot against Ortiz. Of course, he made an out.

  263. Shame Spencer April 28th, 2010 at 10:39 am

    Really?? Wow, I don’t know when the last time I saw that formation was.. I think I have seen it before but off the top of my head I cannot remember one instance.

  264. Mark in Tampa April 28th, 2010 at 10:47 am

    It was a funny scene. Maddon walked out to the mound with a glove in his hand, I thought he was making a pitching change and the reliever had forgotten his glove in the clubhouse. The TV station thought so too, they cut away to a commercial. But, he was just calling a mound conference to align the defense, and the glove was Zobrist’s IF glove, who he was bringing in from RF. Crawford and Upton played a 2-man outfield.

  265. blake April 28th, 2010 at 10:50 am

    MTU,

    Well that’s another reason ;)

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