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Postgame notes: As good as you can play

Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Notes, Podcast on Apr 29, 2010 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

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A.J. Burnett threw eight shutout innings, Robinson Cano hit two home runs and Marcus Thames continued his dominance against left-handed pitchers. But all anyone seemed to talk about after the game was Cano’s play in the third inning.

“I don’t know if I’ve ever seen anyone make the play better than he does up the middle,” Joe Girardi said. “It’s one thing to get to it. It’s another thing to throw a strike all the time, which he does.”

Nolan Reimold grounded sharply up the middle to start the third inning, and Burnett said he was made at himself because there was “no chance” to get an out on the play. Cano, though, went to his right, threw against his momentum and got Reimold by a step. Burnett stood in disbelief with his hands on top of his head.

“When he threw it I was like, I should be backing up first,” Burnett said. “But when you’re that good, I guess I don’t have to.”

Burnett said he could remember one play as good — Luis Castillo made a great play during Burnett’s no hitter with Florida — but Cano has been playing Gold Glove quality defense to go with his outrageous hitting.

“He’s the best defensive second baseman in baseball,” Mark Teixeira said. “And I’ll take anyone’s challenge on that one.”

Here’s Cano’s postgame.

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Cano’s game was absurd with the big play in the third inning and the two home runs in the fourth and eighth, but Burnett was awfully good as well.

He’s pitched into the seventh inning in each of his past four starts and tonight was probably his best of the year with three hits, one walk and no runs.

“I’m learning more and more how to throw the ball to both sides of the plate with movement,” Burnett said. “…I felt unbelievable. I don’t feel like I threw a pitch tonight. I wish I could feel that good all the time.”

Being able to pitch with movement to both sides of the plate has been key because Burnett’s still not happy with his curveball. He believes it will come, but it’s not there yet. He estimated that he threw five changeups tonight, but he seemed especially high on his two-seam fastball.

Here’s Burnett’s postgame.

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• What else can be said about Cano’s offensive production? This road trip he went 17-for-34 (and even .500) with four home runs in nine games. He’s batting .407. “He’s playing as good as you can play,” Girardi said.

• Funny story from Marcus Thames. After Cano’s first home run, Thames went to the plate and Orioles catcher Matt Wieters joked that they needed to check Cano’s bat because it sounded so loud. “All I could do was laugh,” Thames said. “I was like, it’s been sounding like that for a while now.”

• Speaking of Thames, after that brutal spring training, he’s been outstanding this season. He went 3-for-3 tonight and has a .588 batting average, with all but one at-bat coming against lefties. “He’s done everything we’ve asked him to do at the plate,” Girardi said.

• Girardi said there was nothing new on Posada. “I don’t expect him to be able to play tomorrow, but maybe on Saturday,” Girardi said. “We’ll have to see.”

• Alex Rodriguez is now hitless in his past 19 at-bats.

• Derek Jeter’s two-hit night moved him into a tie with Ken Griffey Jr. for the most hits by an active player. Griffey’s Mariners were off on Thursday.

• Jeter on Cano: “He’s in one of those zones right now. Every player wants to be in it, but they come few and far between. It seems like everything he’s doing right now is perfect and he’s playing as well as I’ve ever seen him.”

• Jeter on the end of this 10-day road trip: “We’ve been playing pretty well for the most part. It feels like we really haven’t been home. I think everyone is anxious to get back home. I’m comfortable with how we’re playing.”

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211 Responses to “Postgame notes: As good as you can play”

  1. Rebecca--Optimist Prime--Montero Fanaticus Primus April 29th, 2010 at 11:58 pm

    1) Robbie is OPSing 1.235. Alex Rodriguez OPS in April 07? 1.297

    That’s a small enough difference Cano could make it up tomorrow with a good game.

    2) Last player to hit .400 with 8+ HR in April? Some dude by the name of Bonds in 2004 (h/t @rebexarama)

    You’re welcome.

  2. Carl April 30th, 2010 at 12:02 am

    Rebecca, I think I heard that no Yankee has ever hit .400 in April.

  3. Betsy - Hughes rules (pleading the Fifth) April 30th, 2010 at 12:06 am

    AJ sounds like he could have pitched all night; he certainly keeps himself in great shape. Forget the K’s – I’ll take easy ground balls all night if it will keep him on the mound longer. One of these days his curve will come; until then, he’s making do. He’s becoming a horse, something most people couldn’t have predicted a few years ago.

    Wow, Alex is 0-19? He’s off to a surprisingly bad start – he looked so great last year and even in ST. Everyone talks about Tex, but Alex has had severe power outage as well.

    I missed Cano’s play as I was out; I’ll have to check for the replay on YES. At some point he’s going to slump and you know people will ask what’s wrong with him, lol.

  4. Buddha April 30th, 2010 at 12:06 am

    No small coincidence that Melky gets shipped to Atlanta and Cano starts taking the game seriously day in day out. Amazing what a little focus can do.

  5. Rebecca--Optimist Prime--Montero Fanaticus Primus April 30th, 2010 at 12:07 am

    Carl: That’s an interesting possibility. I’m going to have to look that up.

  6. Rich in NJ April 30th, 2010 at 12:09 am

    I like that Girardi included the words “at the plate” when speaking about Thames. He has earned the job of the LH DH for now, but he should never set foot in the OF again.

  7. Betsy - Hughes rules (pleading the Fifth) April 30th, 2010 at 12:10 am

    I’m very happy about Thames. I said in ST that his at bats meant nothing, that he deserved a chance to fail or succeed in the regular season; I’m sure glad he’s succeeding. The NYTimes had a wonderful story on him during ST – his mother, I believe, is paralyzed, but she raise Thames all by herself anyway. I’m rooting for him all the way.

  8. CR9 April 30th, 2010 at 12:11 am

    Cano is the perfect guy for success! Enthusiastic, power, hit to all fields, hard worker, GORGEOUS!, cute, great smile, perfect facial structure!!

    CANO NO NO NO NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  9. Bronx Jeers April 30th, 2010 at 12:23 am

    “It’s one thing to get to it. It’s another thing to throw a strike all the time, which he does.”

    —————————
    To that I would add ” A hard strike”

    He actually had to put some shoulder into this one as he was drifting into SS territory there. When he’s still south of 2B he usually just flicks his wrist and the ball just seems to rocket from somewhere out of his left hip.

    His father was a pitcher so maybe he gets it from him.

    I’m not sure there’s any truth to the rumor that his mom was a quarterback. :wink:

  10. SAS April 30th, 2010 at 12:24 am

    CR9,

    There was a discussion last night whether you are male or female. LOL…I think it is quite obvious

  11. CB April 30th, 2010 at 12:29 am

    No small coincidence that Johnny Damon wasn’t signed and Cano starts taking the game seriously day in day out. Amazing what a little focus can do.

  12. Bronx Jeers April 30th, 2010 at 12:30 am

    SAS,

    It only seems obvious.

    CR9,

    perfect facial structure?

    What was it last night? Gardner’s “tasty calves”

    You’re building yourself quite a Frankenstein there. A Yankenstein!

  13. Betsy - Hughes rules (pleading the Fifth) April 30th, 2010 at 12:31 am

    Ah, but maybe had Damon scolded Cano in public, Cano would have seen the light, lol. Then again, maybe that only works on Phil.

  14. GreenBeret7 April 30th, 2010 at 12:32 am

    Cano’s father was first signed by the Yankees. He’s a legacy.

  15. Betsy - Hughes rules (pleading the Fifth) April 30th, 2010 at 12:33 am

    GB, he was?

  16. Giuseppe Franco April 30th, 2010 at 12:35 am

    # GreenBeret7 April 30th, 2010 at 12:16 am

    GF, that Cobb Field feature was really a great production effort. Minor league teams and towns are great to visit and though the entertainment isn’t exactly NY style, it’s fun and everyone enjoys most of the hokiness of it. It’s small town America at it’s best.

    ————

    I like to take my nephews to minor league games a few times a year. Well, it’s technically an independent league.

    Very nice and clean little ballpark in a suburb of Chicago (Gary, IN). You’ve been a traveler, so you may know the city. It’s best known for being the murder capital of the world (measured by income per capita).

  17. Giuseppe Franco April 30th, 2010 at 12:38 am

    I’m trying to decipher whether CB’s last comment was sarcasm or serious. I’m leaning towards sarcasm.

  18. Nick in SF April 30th, 2010 at 12:38 am

    Chien-ming Wang kept Cano out carousing every night.

    Now it can be revealed.

    :(

  19. GreenBeret7 April 30th, 2010 at 12:38 am

    his father, Jose signed with the Yanks in 1980, but didn’t get to the Majors until ’89 with the astros.

    http://www.baseball-reference......jo01.shtml

  20. CB April 30th, 2010 at 12:39 am

    Melky’s no longer here therefore that has to be the cause of Cano getting off to a hot start.

    It’s really quite amazing. Just pick some difference in the situation and attribute that as the cause.

    There could be 500 other factors that are different, but hey, I happened to notice that one so that has to be the single reason for the difference in performance.

    Here’s my personal theory:

    Mark Teixeira is literally off to the worse start of his entire career. Clearly he misses Melky Cabrera hitting in the line up.

    It’s the paradox of Melky. Cano thrives and Tex falters.

    What to do?

  21. Betsy - Hughes rules (pleading the Fifth) April 30th, 2010 at 12:40 am

    GF, you lean correctly.

    GB, thanks. I think fathers/sons/brothers in baseball is just a very cool thing, and for brothers to play with each other? The coolest.

  22. Nick in SF April 30th, 2010 at 12:41 am

    Cut Melky in half?

  23. Betsy - Hughes rules (pleading the Fifth) April 30th, 2010 at 12:42 am

    All you have to do is reverse it, CB. If Cano is off to a great start because Melky isn’t here, then shouldn’t Melky be off to a great start because Cano isn’t there? As an English major, I love reversing analogies to mess up theories.

  24. GreenBeret7 April 30th, 2010 at 12:42 am

    GF, I grew up in Southwestern Michigan, about 50 miles from Gary. that’s where Lyman Bostick was murdered back in 1978. Tony Zale, light middleweight champ of the world in the late 40s was from Gary.

  25. Betsy - Hughes rules (pleading the Fifth) April 30th, 2010 at 12:42 am

    Which half of Melky goes where, Nick?

  26. GreenBeret7 April 30th, 2010 at 12:43 am

    ***Lyman Bostock***

  27. Nick in SF April 30th, 2010 at 12:44 am

    The good half goes in Tex’s locker and the bad half stays in Atlanta.

  28. Betsy - Hughes rules (pleading the Fifth) April 30th, 2010 at 12:45 am

    I was thinking more like the top half or the bottom half, lol. Of course, maybe Melky would be split down the middle instead of at the waist. …

  29. NYYanksFan April 30th, 2010 at 12:49 am

    “Wow, Alex is 0-19? He’s off to a surprisingly bad start ”

    Streaky more than surprisingly bad. He was 8-19 before the 0-19.

  30. CB April 30th, 2010 at 12:50 am

    Cano’s never been a patient hitter. This year his strike zone command has been much better and that’s been key to his success.

    Who is the most patient hitter in the game?

    Clearly Cano’s been missing the soft, patient influence of Nick Johnson in his life.

    It’s NJ that’s the reason for Cano’s step up to greatness?

    Or maybe it’s just Cano feeling sorry that he now has a teammate with a loser gene?

    It’s the presence of Javy that’s transformed Cano!

    Tough to be lazy when you have a loser gene embedded in your DNA.

  31. GreenBeret7 April 30th, 2010 at 12:51 am

    with all of the father/sons, brother/brother combinations throughout baseball history, it’s really surprising that there have been so few where both father and son excel. The Bonds’, Boones’, Alous and Griffeys are the major exceptions. Brothers are a little more common, such as the Boones, Perrys, DiMaggios and Alous are those major exceptions.

  32. Betsy - Hughes rules (pleading the Fifth) April 30th, 2010 at 12:51 am

    NYYanksfan, fair………Of course he’ll be fine, but I just thought he would have gotten off to a great start; I’m not worried about him at all.

  33. Bo knows April 30th, 2010 at 12:51 am

    I’m selfish, I just really enjoy a cat quick catcher with a cannon for an arm. Watching Cervelli catch and now develop as a very nice hitter is just a joy. That stab behind a lefty hitter was just a wowser. Yes Posada deserves all his praise but boy am I partial to Cervelli. And Palmer was just enamored. “Someone did a great job on his basics”. Pretty high praise from a pitching great.

  34. Giuseppe Franco April 30th, 2010 at 12:55 am

    GB,

    Ron Kittle was the pride and joy of Gary back in the 80s. LaTroy Hawkins and Lloyd McClendon are also from Gary.

    Kittle was a real SOB. Ran into him a few times because I worked for a sporting goods place back in the mid 90s and he used to come in there quite a bit. He lived in Valparaiso back then and he probably still does.

    Ran into McClendon several times as well back then and he was a cool dude.

    Not baseball related, but they filmed a good portion of the new Nightmare and Elm Street movie there, too.

    As cheesy as most of them are, I’ve always loved horror movies and slasher films. Don’t know why.

  35. GreenBeret7 April 30th, 2010 at 12:57 am

    you can add the Alomar brothers.

    Few people remember that they yankees were close to having an all Mantle outfield in the mid-50s. Mick had twin brothers, Roy and Ray, that were signed by the Yankees. One of the twins tore up his knee and was finished and the other quit right after that.

    Stengel was also close to hiring Mantle’s father as a coach, but, Mutt Mantle died before that could happen.

  36. Rich in NJ April 30th, 2010 at 12:58 am

    Lyman Bostock, one of the few (only?) players who ever offered to give back money after an off year.

  37. Betsy - Hughes rules (pleading the Fifth) April 30th, 2010 at 12:58 am

    Can Cano transfer his aggressive gene to NJ? That gene seems to have skipped a couple of generations; his uncle had it, but it flew in Nick’s ear and out the other, lol.

    I really hope Javy has a good game Saturday; if he doesn’t, the boo birds will be out. I posted an article in the previous thread about Ed Whitson – I know it’s by Ian O’Connor, but it’s a very good article. I feel badly for Javy, almost to the point where his results don’t matter to me. I feel badly for him because everyone and his brother, including Schilling, are piling on him. IMO, it’s disgraceful.

  38. Jerkface April 30th, 2010 at 12:58 am

    Cano’s game was ABSURD? Are you kidding me! Just like Hughes was BRUTAL!?!?

    Another Chad-Faux Pas!!

    :x

    just kidding

  39. AL Riv April 30th, 2010 at 12:59 am

    Cano: AVG .407 HR 8 RBI 17 SLG .790 OPS 1.234

    Insane……………….

    His start is reminding me of A-Rod’s 2007 start.

  40. Rich in NJ April 30th, 2010 at 12:59 am

    I read a couple of good books about Mantle back in the day as a kid, one by the late Dick Schaap.

  41. Betsy - Hughes rules (pleading the Fifth) April 30th, 2010 at 1:01 am

    I remember Ron Kittle; he was a good player for the White Sox in the 80′s.

    Last time I was at YS my father asked me (I forget why the subject came up) to name the Alou brothers. I got Felipe and Matty quickly, but had to think about the 3rd one and I guessed wrong. I believe it’s Jesus, but I said some other name. I was annoyed that my father chimed in before I could say Jesus; I was so proud of myself, lol

  42. Dylan April 30th, 2010 at 1:01 am

    Lol wow Robbie sure backed me up today! The same day I predict that he is going to win the MVP, he goes 3-4 with two home runs. I think he has really taken the next step as a hitter. He needed to step up this year to replace Matsui batting 5th and he sure has come through! He is by far the best player at his position right now.

  43. Bronx Jeers April 30th, 2010 at 1:02 am

    Phil and Joe Niekro too.

    539 wins between them.

    318 and 221.

  44. GreenBeret7 April 30th, 2010 at 1:02 am

    I didn’t even remember that kittle was from the area. He was not a fan favorite with the South Bend Tribune writers. They were Cubs fans anyway. Love Valparaiso. Great place in the summer and near the beaches. Always remember driving down the indiana Toll Road and seeing Charlie Finley’s farm just outside of Laporte with the barn and green roof and the large A’s and bat on it

  45. Rich in NJ April 30th, 2010 at 1:04 am

    When I think of Joe Niekro, I am reminded of trading Jim Deshaies for him, which did not make me happy.

  46. GreenBeret7 April 30th, 2010 at 1:04 am

    Kittle spent about 1 year with the Yanks and totally bombed. When he connected, though, he could hit baseballs into space.

  47. Giuseppe Franco April 30th, 2010 at 1:05 am

    Okay, I get it.

    I haven’t read through several of the threads lately, so the CB sarcasm kinda flew over my head.

    I’m a little slow these days.

    I will say this, though. I was not the biggest supporter of Cano in the 5th hole at the beginning of the season. So far, he’s obviously made me look like an idiot.

    His talent was never questioned. It was his head. He had never really stepped up in the past when asked to assume more responsibility hitting in the top half of the lineup.

    Let’s hope he stays consistent in that spot and doesn’t do too much thinking up there. Don’t want to see any of those old bad habits creeping back.

  48. GreenBeret7 April 30th, 2010 at 1:05 am

    Yes, the Niekros. I knew that I’d forget a few.

  49. Betsy - Hughes rules (pleading the Fifth) April 30th, 2010 at 1:06 am

    LOL there’s a name out of the past – Jim Deshaies, lol.

  50. Rich in NJ April 30th, 2010 at 1:07 am

    I think Cano’s biggest problem has also been his biggest strength. He has such tremendous plate coverage and the ability to hit to all fields, that it made being sufficiently selective tough for him.

  51. SAS April 30th, 2010 at 1:07 am

    Betsy…

    This is not intended to be nasty, and I use it all the time…but badly is bad English, and you criticized yourself earlier tonight for using the same word 3 times in one paragraph and volunteering you were an English major…lol

  52. Betsy - Hughes rules (pleading the Fifth) April 30th, 2010 at 1:08 am

    GF, how are you feeling?

    I was skeptical, too….However, when Cano goes into his slump (and he will), I won’t get on his case; he’ll eventually work himself out of it.

  53. CB April 30th, 2010 at 1:08 am

    AJ comments after the game were very interesting. He threw a great game without his really good curve ball.

    That’s quite an accomplishment for AJ and it’s something that he couldn’t do earlier in his career and I don’t know if he could have done it last year either because his fastball command was spotty so often.

    AJ only threw around 22% of his pitches for curves. And they weren’t really great. He only threw 48% of those curves for strikes. In total he only threw 12 curves for strikes all night. And even the ones he had in the zone didn’t have that great bite.

    In the past when AJ didn’t have a good curve he would get in a lot of trouble. Hitter could sit on his fastball because he was basically reduced to a one pitch pitcher.

    Tonight he did a very good job of mixing in this two seamer and moving his fastball around in the zone. He didn’t have great command of his four seamer but the pitch had so much life to it that it worked.

    The approach he took tonight was exactly the one to take against a weak hitting teams. He refused to walk hitters even in 3-2 counts. He challenged them and he did a tremendous job generating weak ground balls with that two seamer.

    I think the approach AJ took tonight is the one that would work best for him over the long run. There will be nights when his curve ball is dancing in the zone and it’s unhittable. But that can be a tough tactic to rely on.

    He did a nice job of pitching tonight rather than trying to rely on his best few tools.

  54. GreenBeret7 April 30th, 2010 at 1:08 am

    Seems that I forgot the Boyer brothers and the Robinson Brothers, Brooks and Frank.

  55. Betsy - Hughes rules (pleading the Fifth) April 30th, 2010 at 1:09 am

    Ok, I made a mistake with “badly”. Tonight’s not my night, what can I say?

  56. Betsy - Hughes rules (pleading the Fifth) April 30th, 2010 at 1:10 am

    I meant to add a :) after my comments, SAS

  57. Rich in NJ April 30th, 2010 at 1:11 am

    Betsy

    You can say “My bad”?!?!

  58. Betsy - Hughes rules (pleading the Fifth) April 30th, 2010 at 1:12 am

    I loved AJ’s comments as well. My favorite comment is above – where he says that he felt like like he never through a pitch. I really think his injury history is past – he’s very capable of giving innings. He seems sort of proud to be more of a pitcher than a thrower……..

  59. CB April 30th, 2010 at 1:13 am

    “I think Cano’s biggest problem has also been his biggest strength. He has such tremendous plate coverage and the ability to hit to all fields, that it made being sufficiently selective tough for him.”

    I think that’s exactly it. He has such great plate coverage that he can reach almost any pitch. His ability to make contact is just amazing.

    And the numbers back that up. An average hitter makes contact with the ball on around 80% of his swings. Cano makes contact on 88% of his swings if I’m remembering correctly (pretty sure that’s it – 88%).

    But what hopefully he’s doing is becoming more discerning. For a guy like Robbi with his plate coverage he doesn’t necessarily need to walk all that much more. But he does need to have better strike zone command. And we’ve seen that.

    He’s making the transition between implicitly asking himself “can I hit this pitch?” to “should I hit this pitch?”

    And as long as he keeps doing this he is going to hit .330+ because he can square up the ball like few players in the game today.

  60. SAS April 30th, 2010 at 1:14 am

    Betsy…

    It’s late and I just caught. We all make mistakes; however, if you get uptight when Cano slumps, I will remind of what you said late one night.

    You write very well.

  61. SAS April 30th, 2010 at 1:14 am

    just caught it*

  62. Betsy - Hughes rules (pleading the Fifth) April 30th, 2010 at 1:14 am

    LOL Rich – actually, it bugs me as I should know better. I really get annoyed when I see “should of” instead of “should have”. Ugh, that drives me right up a wall. Another annoying one is when people say “I could care less” when they really mean ” I couldn’t care less”. Usually a good rule of thumb is that if it sounds good, it is…………I feel badly sounds better than I feel bad, but this is an exception because it is bad grammar.

  63. CB April 30th, 2010 at 1:17 am

    GF-

    There have already been a slew of posts here recently attributing Cano’s success to Melky’s removal.

    Of course this just continues to build on the whole Cano is “lazy,” “unmotivated,” “parties,” etc themes we’ve heard so often.

    I’ll guess that we’re going to here a lot more of this if Cano continues to improve.

    Rather than just allowing for Cano to have matured in his age 27 season (which is around the time so many players take their game to the next level) it has to be something about Cano suddenly “caring” about the game and no longer being “lazy.”

    That way people can keep their prior world view of Cano intact.

  64. SAS April 30th, 2010 at 1:17 am

    “my bad” is new English slang

  65. Giuseppe Franco April 30th, 2010 at 1:17 am

    # GreenBeret7 April 30th, 2010 at 1:02 am

    I didn’t even remember that kittle was from the area. He was not a fan favorite with the South Bend Tribune writers. They were Cubs fans anyway. Love Valparaiso. Great place in the summer and near the beaches. Always remember driving down the indiana Toll Road and seeing Charlie Finley’s farm just outside of Laporte with the barn and green roof and the large A’s and bat on it

    ————–

    Yeah, anything East of Gary is Cubs territory until you hit the Ohio border.

    I do recall someone telling me about Finley’s house years ago. LaPorte is white trash town these days.

    Valpo really is a nice town. I live the next town over in Merrillville. I was going to go for my Master’s Degree at Valpo U a few years back but life got in the way.

  66. Betsy - Hughes rules (pleading the Fifth) April 30th, 2010 at 1:17 am

    SAS, I want you to do that, please, lol. I can’t promise that I won’t vent because that is a fan’s right, but I promise I will not say he doesn’t belong in the 5th spot.

    I take pride in writing well; I sometimes get lazy when posting, admittedly, but I’m much better with the written word than the spoken word. I tend to get very nervous when I speak and, as a result, just babble endlessly, lol.

  67. Bo knows April 30th, 2010 at 1:17 am

    Seems that I forgot the Boyer brothers and the Robinson Brothers, Brooks and Frank.

    Minus ten for forgetting the Boyer boys. Plus twenty for the tongue in cheek.

  68. Betsy - Hughes rules (pleading the Fifth) April 30th, 2010 at 1:20 am

    One thing I learned about criticizing someone’s writing (or anything else): if they ask for an honest opinion, they don’t really want it (unless it’s positive).

    My sister once asked me for my opinion on a paper she had written and I pointed out to her where she went wrong (not like that, I did it in a nicer way). She stormed out, and then proceeded to go into the bathroom where I was about to take a shower; she shoved me so hard, the whole shower curtain came down on me, lol.

  69. Bo knows April 30th, 2010 at 1:21 am

    Grammar? Did someone mention Grammar? Is it the exact same as bad English?

    First heard from Ed McMahon on Johnny Carson. Has driven me insane since.

    What the hell is exact same? Same by definition… Aargh.

  70. GreenBeret7 April 30th, 2010 at 1:22 am

    Major League pitchers are going to be in a lot of trouble if Cano adds thinking to his bat. He said that before the first home run, he knew he was getting a first pitch breaking ball because of the way he hit the long liner in his first at bat. He told Girardi and Long that before he hit it.

  71. NYYanksFan April 30th, 2010 at 1:23 am

    Cano 2010
    81AB, 21Runs, 33 hits, 5-2B, 1-3B, 8HR, 17RBI .407/.444/.790/ 1.235

    93AB, 27Runs, 33 hits, 7-2B, 0-3B, 14HR, 34RBI, .355/.415/.882/ 1.297
    A-Rod 2007

  72. SAS April 30th, 2010 at 1:23 am

    Betsy,

    “Back in the day” when I went to school, grammar was very important. We diagrammed sentences until I was ‘blue in the face’. Then, there was a time when ‘they’ felt children should be allowed to just express themselves. I don’t know what is happening now.

    I do know the misuse of ‘me’, ‘myself’ and ‘I’ hurts my ears. Even the most famous. well educated people use those words incorrectly.

  73. Betsy - Hughes rules (pleading the Fifth) April 30th, 2010 at 1:24 am

    One stat I hate is BABIP. I was reading a post on a message board comparing Phil and Clay (but this would go for any pitchers) and (a Sox fan) said that Clay was unlucky with his BABIP at .3136 (or something like that) and that Phil was lucky and due to regress because he can’t keep up a .1110 BABIP (this might not be the exact number, but the point is, it’s low).

    Again, this could go for ANY pitchers, but: how is BABIP to know that Phil didn’t induce very weak contact (as opposed to hard contact that just happened found fielder’s gloves) and Clay didn’t induce hard contact? It seems to me that people use this stat to infer something that isn’t necessarily so.

  74. GreenBeret7 April 30th, 2010 at 1:26 am

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  75. SAS April 30th, 2010 at 1:28 am

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    I got an A+ on a book report in history. 3 years later my sister copied it word for word. We had the same teacher. She got a C+…lol

  76. AL Riv April 30th, 2010 at 1:28 am

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  77. Betsy - Hughes rules (pleading the Fifth) April 30th, 2010 at 1:28 am

    SAS, if you’ve ever heard someone read a poorly constructed speech (or anything they wrote), you know that it can be very hard on the ears. Repeating “I” too often is a problem (it’s one of the things I criticized my sister for)………I agree that “me” is problematic; I sometimes have a hard time with it myself. LOL I may be weird, but if someone at my office needs help with their grammar, I enjoy working it out with them. I enjoy pointing out where a semi-colon would work better than a colon, that kind of thing. I love words, so maybe that’s it.

  78. Betsy - Hughes rules (pleading the Fifth) April 30th, 2010 at 1:29 am

    SAS, no way, lol – I’d be PO’d at my sister for plagiarizing my work, for one. I would also want to know what my teacher was smoking, lol

  79. Joemomma April 30th, 2010 at 1:30 am

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  80. Giuseppe Franco April 30th, 2010 at 1:32 am

    Betsy,

    I feel great. Thank you for asking.

    My stamina and strength is getting much better and I’m no longer using a cane or walking aid. Just my big ‘ol two feet (Size 14).

    I’m progressing extremely well, almost miraculous, according to my neurologist. Three months ago, I was bedridden and could barely move.

    Lots of bust ass rehab went into this progression so I can’t give ALL the credit to my doctor. LOL.

  81. GreenBeret7 April 30th, 2010 at 1:32 am

    BABIP is just another stat for idiots. They have a bunch of clowns that are left to their own devices in determining what’s hard hit, the difference between a fly ball and a line drive. It’s as useless as letting the same idiots determining who gets what section of the field as their “zone”, regardless of field/weather conditions or type/location of the pitch thrown.

  82. Bronx Jeers April 30th, 2010 at 1:33 am

    If Robbie goes 1 for 4 tomorrow he’ll finish April at .400 even.

  83. Giuseppe Franco April 30th, 2010 at 1:35 am

    CB,

    You’re post @ 12:29 am threw me when you mentioned Damon.

    I thought there might’ve been something going on that I hadn’t heard about regarding Damon’s departure.

    Like I said, I’m kind of slow these days.

  84. GreenBeret7 April 30th, 2010 at 1:35 am

    If anybody plagiarized my work, I’d be shocked and honored, but, would drop dead of a heart attack from laughing at them being that stupid for not correcting the spelling.

  85. SAS April 30th, 2010 at 1:39 am

    Betsy…

    My teacher appeared to my young eyes that she was older than God and ugly as sin. I actually learned a lot from her, but she wasn’t a very good teacher. My sister wasn’t the student I was. However, she had a fabulous career for a woman who is now 62. We didn’t get the same opportunities women get today.

    Academics are not always an indication of future success. Mrs. Corby, that was her name, would be shocked at her success.

  86. Betsy - Hughes rules (pleading the Fifth) April 30th, 2010 at 1:41 am

    GF, that’s great; you deserve all the credit in the world for bringing about this improvement! I’m glad you’re feeling peppy enough to come on the blog with your straight talk – sometimes we need that!

    GB, lol – I like the way you think!
    The people plagiarizing your work might not know how to spell well enough to correct your spelling!

  87. CB April 30th, 2010 at 1:43 am

    GF-

    Congratulations on the continued recovery! Not having to use the cane or walking aid must have been a wonderful feeling.

    Pepitone was asking after you in the game thread a few days ago. I told him that you were doing better and he was happy to hear that.

    Night all.

  88. Bronx Jeers April 30th, 2010 at 1:45 am

    Well there was that one time when some moron was in here impersonating you GB.

    And we all knew it wasn’t you. Everybody was like “That can’t be GB7. There’s no typos!”

  89. Betsy - Hughes rules (pleading the Fifth) April 30th, 2010 at 1:45 am

    SAS, I agree about academics not necessarily being an indicator of future success. I think much of it comes down to how hard you are willing to work. I personally don’t think someone who is naturally bright, but decides to skate by on god-given ability, is all that smart. On the other hand, someone who is less than brilliant but works his/her behind off will go far….

  90. Jerkface April 30th, 2010 at 1:45 am

    BABIP is pretty simple, and not a stat for idiots. It just measures how many balls put in play go for hits. Generally an extremely high babip and an extremely low babip is unsustainable. Certain players put up high or low BABIPs due to skill set.

  91. Betsy - Hughes rules (pleading the Fifth) April 30th, 2010 at 1:46 am

    Night, CB! Tomorrow, I wouldn’t mind hearing your thoughts about BABIP.

  92. GreenBeret7 April 30th, 2010 at 1:49 am

    Opponent fans and teams are losing their fear of the Yankees. They are no longer the most hated team in baseball. They’ve only made to the 5th most hated. Cleveland is first and even Boston is more hated than the yankees at #2. Cashman needs to fix this slight immediately. Quick, Cashman…throw some money at a big name and get our legacy back.

  93. Giuseppe Franco April 30th, 2010 at 1:50 am

    Thanks, CB and Betsy. Much appreciated.

  94. Jerkface April 30th, 2010 at 1:50 am

    And Betsy, Hughes has a 3 H/9 going right now. If you honestly think he is going to maintain that then I don’t know what to say. He will give up more hits as the season goes along, a 3 H/9 would be a major league record by a mile.

    Buchholz BABIP is actually around league average, he hasn’t been getting unlucky at all. Hughes has been lucky. He has given up 8 line drives, but only 3 have gone for hits. Generally 6 would go for hits. And his ground balls have been pretty much amazing.

    I reckon Hughes will give up his fair share of hits when ground balls start finding holes and line drives don’t get hit right at fielders, but its not like that would be terrible. Especially if Hughes cuts down his walks, he is not going to be a .5 WHIP pitcher.

  95. SAS April 30th, 2010 at 1:50 am

    Bronx Jeers

    I haven’t the foggiest idea what a BABIP is. I hardly know how to turn the computer on, and these new stats have me completely befuddled.

  96. Betsy - Hughes rules (pleading the Fifth) April 30th, 2010 at 1:51 am

    Jerkface, I understand that, but it seems to me that it simply can not measure how hard those balls are hit. The Sox fan was implying that Phil has been lucky and Clay not so lucky. Well, we’ve not really seen Clay, but we have seen Phil; there haven’t been that many hard hit balls against him. That explains the low BABIP (as opposed to him giving up lots of hard hit balls). In order to determine whether a low BABIP is due to luck or skill, you just have to watch the games the pitcher pitches; I’m not sure how anyone can just look at the stats and decide a low BABIP is due to luck (or high BABIP due to bad luck).

  97. Nick in SF April 30th, 2010 at 1:52 am

    Youk’s face is a hate-inducer. That’s not going to change.

  98. GreenBeret7 April 30th, 2010 at 1:53 am

    Bronx Jeers April 30th, 2010 at 1:45 am
    Well there was that one time when some moron was in here impersonating you GB.

    And we all knew it wasn’t you. Everybody was like “That can’t be GB7. There’s no typos!”

    ———————————————————————————————————————-

    The rule of thumb to follow is: If the post is more than two sentences and has correct punctuation and no typos, it ain’t me.

  99. Betsy - Hughes rules (pleading the Fifth) April 30th, 2010 at 1:54 am

    LOL I never said he was going to keep up the 3 hit ratio this year, Jerkface, so don’t tell me that’s what I said……..and it’s not even close to what I was implying. Phil has great stuff and he’s hard to hit; IF you remember 2007, you will remember that despite his bad August, he ended up with a very good hits to innings pitched ratio. That’s what I care about – not whether he’s going to sete a record for least amt of hits given up in a year. It’s not even close to what I was saying.

  100. SAS April 30th, 2010 at 1:55 am

    …and Jerkface of all the ‘handles’ in the world, why do you use such a self-deprecating one. You express yourself well and are not hurtful to people. You seem like anything but a “jerkface” to me.

  101. Betsy - Hughes rules (pleading the Fifth) April 30th, 2010 at 1:55 am

    SAS, I only know BABIP – batting average of balls in play. I have no interest in the alphabet soup of statistics, stuff like UZR, WAR, etc…I don’t judge those who do, but that stuff is not for me.

  102. SAS April 30th, 2010 at 1:56 am

    GB…you are soooo wrong.

  103. GreenBeret7 April 30th, 2010 at 1:56 am

    One of these day’s I’m going to write a book length post on here and use spell check and really screw you guys up.

  104. Jerkface April 30th, 2010 at 1:57 am

    Well Betsy, I think regardless of how hard anyone is hitting anything, there is a component of luck involved in generating hits.

    Infield hits, slow rollers, seeing eye singles, fading liners, bloops, shallow flies off the end of the bat, squibbers, texas leaguers. There are plenty of ‘hits’ that are not ‘hard hit’, and Hughes has managed to avoid all of those while ALSO having his hard hit balls go right at fielders.

    He has managed to mostly avoid getting squared up, but his BABIP is not sustainable, just like I don’t think his 5.5 BB/9 is going to continue. Once they both normalize, Hughes will still be a good pitcher.

  105. SAS April 30th, 2010 at 1:58 am

    Well, Betsy, we have a lot in common then. I judge by what I see. Now I forget too much. I hate the fact that I can no longer remember everything, BUT it beat the alternative.

  106. SAS April 30th, 2010 at 1:58 am

    beats*

  107. Nick in SF April 30th, 2010 at 2:00 am

    Jerkface didn’t show up to get his Arroz Con Pollo. The name is well earned. :mad:

  108. Betsy - Hughes rules (pleading the Fifth) April 30th, 2010 at 2:00 am

    Night all!

  109. Jerkface April 30th, 2010 at 2:00 am

    Betsy,

    It was a stupid logic leap, but you were suggesting that Hughes has not been lucky, so I assume you think he has the skills to keep up his H/9. Hughes seems to me to be a guy that might be around that 6-7 H/9 in his great years because of his command and now his ability to change speeds, but I think it is correct to state that he has been lucky so far on his balls in play.

  110. SAS April 30th, 2010 at 2:01 am

    GB…It would probably be interesting.

  111. Jerkface April 30th, 2010 at 2:01 am

    Jerkface is a good moniker because I can be as polite as I want but if I say something jerky its like “Oh right, Jerkface, makes sense.” And I get off scott free. :x

  112. Jerkface April 30th, 2010 at 2:05 am

    An example of unsustainable BABIP:

    Austin Jackson has a .491 BABIP, while striking out 35% of the time. Thats just not a recipe for future success.

    I’ve been lucky to watch him hit, and he has been very lucky on some infield singles and some balls that found holes, which when combined with ‘regular’ hits give him a very good start to the season. But the holes in his swing and his striking out will pose a problem when those hits don’t drop in and pitchers start to adjust.

    Batting title champions need some healthy BABIP luck, just like bad seasons by good players (swisher 2008) need some bad BABIP luck.

    And for the most part things around league average after you get a large enough sample.

  113. SAS April 30th, 2010 at 2:05 am

    OK folks, I have to get up at the crack of dawn to start wending our way cross country. Hope I can log on from motel rooms. If not see you mid week from NY.

  114. Bronx Jeers April 30th, 2010 at 2:07 am

    SAS,

    I didn’t mention BABIP but I do know what it is.

    It stands for

    B-atting
    A-verage

    for

    B-alls
    I-n
    P-lay

    Sort of a batting average that doesn’t include the at-bats where you you don’t hit the ball.

    So if Hughes BABIP against is .100 that means that hitters are turning 10% of balls that they actually hit into basehits.

    But as is the case with many “advanced” stats it doesn’t paint the complete picture because it doesn’t take into account all the subtle nuances of the game.

    Actually I don’t believe there is any stat that does that.

  115. Nick in SF April 30th, 2010 at 2:16 am

    Actually, you can adjust BABIP with a Nuance Painter if you know how to run the cross tabs with a UZR meter.

  116. Jerkface April 30th, 2010 at 2:17 am

    When you put an UZR meter near Gardner it sounds like chernobyl , off the charts

  117. SAS April 30th, 2010 at 2:18 am

    Thanks Bronx Jeers…the problem is that I am not that tired. It is only a little after 11:00, and I am a night owl.

  118. Jerkface April 30th, 2010 at 2:18 am

    Nick, I suggest you write all future Haikus in UZR meter

  119. Nick in SF April 30th, 2010 at 2:19 am

    It quiets down a bit if you calibrate it for Cashman hyperbole.

  120. Bronx Jeers April 30th, 2010 at 2:20 am

    And that’s exactly why Gaudin was so effective standing in the back of the bullpen.

    Hasta Manana. I gotta get up and think of a photo for you to take.

  121. Nick in SF April 30th, 2010 at 2:22 am

    Use the extra time if you need it. Don’t be afraid to push the envelope, if such a cliche is helpful.

  122. AL Riv April 30th, 2010 at 2:27 am

    Pitching matchups for the white sox series

    Fri A. Pettitte 3-0, 1.29 vs F. Garcia 0-2, 5.82

    Sat J. Vazquez 1-3, 9.00 vs J. Danks 3-0, 1.55

    Sun P. Hughes 2-0, 2.00 vs M. Buehrle 2-3, 4.68

  123. SAS April 30th, 2010 at 2:28 am

    Nick in SF

    You are talking Greek to me anyway. It is fun to be on here later at night. I have had some good conversations that are not hypercritical, but interesting about baseball ‘the crowds’ have gone to bed.

  124. SAS April 30th, 2010 at 2:29 am

    when ‘the crowds’

  125. Nick in SF April 30th, 2010 at 2:31 am

    Most of the crankier people are in bed by now.

    The West Coast commenters are the friendliest and mellowist (yours truly excepted, of course).

    For medicinal purposes only.

  126. E-gawa April 30th, 2010 at 2:35 am

    Remember when some wanted to trade Cano?

  127. SAS April 30th, 2010 at 2:36 am

    my last night in the West til late September. I love SF, but I haven’t been there in a long time. The closest I have been to SF was Napa a few years ago. I have family in SF though.

  128. SAS April 30th, 2010 at 2:38 am

    Not me

  129. Nick in SF April 30th, 2010 at 2:40 am

    Trade Cano, pish posh. Another homegrown Yankee superstar.

  130. SAS April 30th, 2010 at 2:43 am

    I love my Yankees, and I love the homegrown ones best. You know the Yankees have a good number of those on the team. A lot of the ‘big bucks’ we pay are to the homegrown players.

  131. NJ Bob April 30th, 2010 at 8:17 am

    GB7 – that great Yankee blog site I was telling you about has the writer who played college ball at Valparaiso…maybe you know him?

    http://www.stevewigdor.blogspot.com

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    CB, I think Cano had the mindset that “I will hit this pitch” and more often than not he made up his mind to swing almost no matter what. He is laying off the breaking balls in the dirt and the inside pitches that he could not do much with a lot more than in the past. This is the key to his transformation, because as you said he can square the ball extremely well and even more so has amazing wrists/hands as a hitter. He will hit over .300 even with bad plate discipline, but he will be an elite hitter if he can lay off the bad pitches to force more hittable pitches and a few more walks.

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