Game 23: Yankees vs. White Sox
Posted by: Josh Thomson - Posted in Misc on May 01, 2010 
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YANKEES (15-7)
Jeter SS
Swisher RF
Teixeira 1B
Rodriguez 3B
Cano 2B
Posada C
Thames DH
Granderson CF
Gardner LF
RHP Javier Vazquez (1-3, 9.00)
Career vs. White Sox
WHITE SOX (9-14)
Vizquel SS
Beckham 3B
Jones CF
Konerko 1B
Teahan 3B
Quentin DH
Pierzynski C
Kotsay RF
Pierre LF
LHP John Danks (3-0, 1.55)
Career vs. Yankees
TIME/TV: 1:05 p.m./YES Network
UMPIRES: Mark Wegner HP, Dan Iassogna 1B, Dale Scott 2B (crew chief), Jerry Meals 3B.
WEATHER: Sunny and hot, with highs around 90. Light winds that will increase to 10-15 mph by mid-afternoon. There is not a cloud in the sky and it’s already 80 degrees here.
SECOND TO NONE: I stole the Yankees’ headline for this note because it is so appropriate. Robinson Cano leads the Majors with a .400 average (34 for 85) and is second in the bigs with 21 runs scored, a .765 slugging percentage and 65 total bases and is tied for second with 34 hits. According to Elias, Cano became the first Yankee to lead baseball in batting average in the month of April since Paul O’Neill in 1994 (.448). Only Cano, O’Neill (’94 and ’96), Clete Boyer (’62) and Willie Randolph (’76) have batted over .400 in April during the expansion era.
IS TODAY THE DAY?: Derek Jeter needs just one double to surpass Don Mattingly for the third-most in club history. He tied Mattingly on Wednesday in Baltimore with his 442nd double. Also, Alex Rodriguez is just one home run shy of Frank Robinson for seventh place on baseball’s all-time list (586).
NOT YOUR AVERAGE JONES: We know Javy Vazquez is off to a terrible start. It may not help for him to see Andruw Jones today. Jones has absolutely tattooed Vazquez throughout his career. He is 20 for 51 with meaty stats all around: seven doubles, five homers and 13 RBI. He has a 1.270 OPS.
UPDATE, 12:30 p.m.: It is a gorgeous day here at Yankee Stadium — hot but not humid and perfectly sunny. And it’s an interesting pitching matchup to be sure, with Vazquez trying to find his mechanics and a groove and having to do so against one of the top lefties in the AL. Danks currently ranks second in the AL in wins and ERA.
The big news from the morning is that Posada will return to the lineup. Joe Girardi said he was encouraged on Friday when Posada hit in not one, but two groups during BP. He just wanted to check on Posada today to ensure the swelling had continued to diminish. Obviously it had because Posada is in the lineup and catching.
The other pregame talk focused on the two guys struggling the most: Vazquez and Teixeira. Girardi expressed confidence that Tex will turn it around; he just wasn’t sure when. He believes Tex has begun hitting the ball with more “impact,” so there’s that. The manager sounded less confident and more curious about Vazquez. It’ll be interesting to see how the right-hander is greeted.
The only other note is a non-note: Girardi had no new information to share on Chan Ho Park. Hopefully, the club will share something during today’s game.
Here’s the audio from Girardi:
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UPDATE, 1:05 p.m.: No boos for Vazquez, not when he walked onto the field, nor when they announced his name in the starting lineup.
UPDATE, 1:08 p.m.: Vazquez gets a ground out to start the game. He threw three fastballs — 89, 89, 90.
UPDATE, 1:11 p.m.: Javy has it up to 92 so far. Not bad. Too bad Andruw Jones continues to batter him. Jeez. 1-0 White Sox.
UPDATE, 1:17 p.m.: White Sox lead 1-0, middle 1st, after a solo homer by Jones. Vazquez looked fine. Even though he has been tortured by Jones, that was not exactly a second-decker. Javy threw almost exclusively fastballs in the inning and ranged between 89-92. The last time the club was here Vazquez said he likes to operate between 91-93, so he’s close.
UPDATE, 1:25 p.m.: The Yanks had four good swings, hitting the ball hard each time, but they end the first down 1-0. Teixeira had a hard-hit single. He now has a hit in four of his last five games.
UPDATE, 1:32 p.m.: If you’re not watching at home, Vazquez’s afternoon just got a whole lot tougher — and only by the length of Teixeira’s big toe. Cano made a nice play going to his right and threw across his body. The throw pulled Tex off the bag by an inch or two, so there are not runners at first and third with nobody out. Vazquez walked Quentin on four pitches to lead off the inning and moved him to second on a wild pitch.
UPDATE, 1:35 p.m.: And that’s why Juan Pierre stinks. He went after the first pitch with the bases loaded after Vazquez showed he couldn’t throw a strike. Bases juiced still with one out.
UPDATE, 1:37 p.m.: Considering the bases were loaded with no outs, not a bad escape for the Yanks, who trail 2-0 after a sac fly by Vizquel. He hit the ball to center. Tex cut off Granderson’s throw and tagged out Pierzynski as he tried for third. 2-0 White Sox, middle 2.
UPDATE, 1:46 p.m.: 2-0 White Sox after two innings. Vazquez, Girardi and the umps are meeting along the first-base line right now. Not sure what’s going on.
UPDATE, 1:48 p.m.: Stunning. Vazquez is done. He just went to the bench. … Wait, let’s just see.
UPDATE, 1:50 p.m.: Apologies. Vazquez is back on the mound. It appears to have been an equipment issue, but I wonder why the umps were involved?
UPDATE, 1:54 p.m.: It appears Vazquez had to switch his glove. The model he is wearing now is a solid color. The one he started the game with was two-toned. Colin Stephenson of the Star-Ledger pointed out the difference with a photo.
UPDATE, 1:57 p.m.: Jones v. Vazquez is up there with Jordan v. Knicks, Federer v. Roddick and Secretariat v. the field. It’s 3-0 White Sox now after a solo homer — yes, another one — by Jones off Javy. It is Jones’ seventh of his career vs. Vazquez in 53 at-bats.
UPDATE, 2:00 p.m.: Ya know, Vazquez has pitched in far bigger games than this. He really has. And I think the fans and reporters make a much bigger deal about starts like this than the players. That said, I agree with people who said Vazquez is nervous. He just misplayed a ball in the field. Every time something bad happens, he falls behind the next hitter immediately. He simply looks uncomfortable. Agree?
UPDATE, 2:21 p.m.: White Sox lead 3-1 through three innings. After Swisher grounded into a double play with two on, Tex scored Gardner from third on an infield single. The ball was stopped on a dive by Teahan, but he couldn’t secure it. Teixeira would likely have beat the throw to first anyway. A-Rod followed with a single but Cano stranded the runners when he struck.
As a side note, who is your AL player of the month in April: Cano or Konerko? They are awfully close. Konerko has more homers (11 to eight) and a higher slugging percentage, Cano has gotten on base more and has a higher batting average. Their OPS’ are almost identical.
UPDATE, 2:27 p.m.: I should’ve mentioned earlier: Danks is at 71 pitches through three innings.
UPDATE, 2:29 p.m.: Has a team ever started five hitters who were batting under .200 this late in the regular season? I mean, that’s pathetic. And their up 5-1 now after the two-run homer by Kotsay, who pulled a 2-2 pitch into the second deck in right.
This is another horrendous start for Vazquez, who has now been touched for three home runs. That one came on a two-strike pitch that was reminiscent of Chan Ho Park’s fastball to Cal Ripken in the All-Star Game.
UPDATE, 2:35 p.m.: That’s it for Vazquez, who left after walking Pierre on four pitches and surrendering a bloop single to Vizquel. He had his head bowed as Girardi walked to the mound. He looked lost. The fans booed him lustily as he left the field.
This is not the shortest start of Vazquez’s Yankee career. He only recorded four outs against Cleveland on 8/31/04 and pitched just 2.1 innings in Baltimore on 9/10/04. The loss to Cleveland was at the old Yankee Stadium and was the infamous 22-0 game.
UPDATE, 2:50 p.m.: Yanks avoid further damage in fourth. They trail 5-1, middle of the fourth. Danks hasn’t been sharp, so this is certainly not over.
UPDATE, 2:59 p.m.: Many of you asked a legitimate question: Do you skip Vazquez in Boston on Friday? It’s possible because of the off-day on Thursday, which would be Javy’s day to pitch. However, it only throws a band-aid on the problem. Vazquez would then have to pitch next at Detroit on May 11, but the team doesn’t have another off-day until May 24. So he’d also have to start against Minnesota at home on May 16 and at Citi Field against the Mets on May 22. Those wouldn’t be ideal situations for someone with shaken confidence and Vazquez seems in need of more than a quick fix.
I’m sure the Yanks will skip him next week, but it could just delay the misery unless they do something seriously effective to fix him.
UPDATE, 3:15 p.m.: Great at-bat here by Tex, who drew a walk. He also pushed Danks over the 100-pitch count in the process. Danks is now at 107 pitches with one out in the fifth and the bases loaded. It’s still 5-1, but Danks is on the ropes. A-Rod could break out here in a big way — and save Vazquez in the process.
UPDATE, 3:21 p.m.: 5-2 White Sox after an RBI fielders choice by A-Rod, who beat the double-play throw to first thanks, in part, to a nasty slide at second base by Teixeira. However, Mark Kotsay just fooled us all. Cano scorched a high liner to right. The way Kotsay reacted at first it appeared to be a game-tying homer. Instead, it was another fly out. So Danks escapes having allowed just two runs in five innings despite allowing — gasp! — nine baserunners. That’s luck.
UPDATE, 3:24 p.m.: Boone Logan is warming up in the pen.
UPDATE, 3:31 p.m.: Logan has stopped throwing. Now Dave Robertson is up.
UPDATE, 3:35 p.m.: Here are the pitching lines —
Vazquez: 3+ IP, 7 H, 5 R, 5 ER, 4 BB, 2 K, 1 WP, 3 HR, 83 P (46 S)
Danks: 5 IP, 6 H, 2 R, 2 ER, 3 BB, 1 K, 118 P (65 S)
UPDATE, 3:40 p.m.: A big RBI single for Gardner but more bad news for the Yanks. Granderson pulled up lame after he hit the bag at second. He dragged himself to third but appeared to be in serious pain in his left leg. The replay show he stepped on the second base bag awkwardly.
I’ll get you an update as soon as possible. Randy Winn is now running at third. 5-3 White Sox with two men on and one out with Jeter at the plate.
UPDATE, 3:48 p.m.: That was a big, big home run for Swisher, whose two-run shot to right gave the Yanks their first lead, 6-5, and took Vazquez off the hook. They still lead 6-5 at the end of six.
UPDATE, 3:49 p.m.: Yanks are going with Robertson here. Winn stays in the game and will play left. Gardner moves to center. And for how long is the question…
In other news, appreciative fans in the bleachers just greeted Swisher with loud applause in right.
UPDATE, 3:51 p.m.: Great job by Sergio Mitre, who tossed three hitless innings. He allowed just two baserunners — both walks — and retired the last six men he faced.
UPDATE, 3:55 p.m.: Damaso Marte warming in the pen.
UPDATE, 4:02 p.m.: Marte is in with two on and two out for Robertson.
UPDATE, 4:05 p.m.: Marte couldn’t get it done. He served up a two-run double to Piersynski, so the White Sox lead 7-6 heading into the bottom of the seventh. Stunningly, Ozzie has left Linebrink (1 IP, 4 H, 4 ER) on the mound. Curious decision.
UPDATE, 4:08 p.m.: * INJURY UPDATE * Granderson left the game with a left groin strain. He will go to Columbia Prebyterian for an MRI.
UPDATE, 4:11 p.m.: Someone named Randy Williams is on to pitch for the White Sox.
UPDATE, 4:13 p.m.: Joe West would not be happy about this one. We’re at 3:08 and it’s only the bottom of the seventh. Shame on the White Sox for getting so many hits. Shame on the Yankees for being patient and clawing back into the game.
UPDATE, 4:18 p.m.: JJ Putz pitched in NY for the first time since last May 31. Of course, he was supposed to come back last August. He and everyone else. Poor Mets.
UPDATE, 4:33 p.m.: I’m with you guys (and girls). Why pinch hit Johnson for Winn, a switch hitter, and not Thames? With Winn out, they’ll have to either scrap the DH or put Pena in LF.
UPDATE, 4:39 p.m.: We’re headed to the ninth. The Yanks still trail 7-6. Putz was unhittable there, recording four outs with ease. It looks like Bobby Jenks is warming in the bullpen. Aceves will stay on for the Yankees.
UPDATE, 4:40 p.m.: The Yankees have lost their DH after putting Thames in the OF. The pitcher will bat in the No. 8 spot in the order.
UPDATE, 4:48 p.m.: Apparently, Girardi is confused. He thinks this is November 1st.
UPDATE, 4:50 p.m.: Boone Logan was throwing gas. He threw four fastballs to Teahan: 95, 95, 95, 97.
UPDATE, 4:58 p.m.: Cano taps out to the mound with A-Rod on first to end the game. Yankees fall, 7-6. Linebrink is the winner.
Go Go Yankees!
Thanks Josh.
I won’t be around for today’s game so all I want to say is:
Go get em’ Javy. Kick Azz !
Catch up with you all later.
I’ll save some bandwidth for the trolls today and write their expected comments so the board doesn’t fill up with nonsense:
Must win game.
Biggest game of Javy Vazquez’s career. He better win today or I’ll boo him for the rest of my life.
He better show “guts” on the mound. Personally, I don’t know how one knows someone lacks “guts” on the mound but, the trolls seem to think they know.
When Javy falls apart today, DFA him and call up any one of the prospects I overrate daily because they are all better than Javy.
That should just about cover it!
SJ-
You forgot.
JV is a loser. He has a “loser gene”.
I got a feeling Javy will have a good game for real. GO YANKEES!
I don’t know why you guys bother responding to those type of posts. They’re not worth it!
Ah yes, MTU, the “loser gene”. Can’t believe I forgot that one!!
That has to be the single dumbest remark I’ve ever read from a sportswriter discussing a player.
I’d expect that from a troll on a blog. Not from a baseball columnist with over 20 years of experience in the business.
Just goes to show you the lengths some will go to get page hits to their stories.
And folks wonder why athletes hate the media.
Amazing.
hey i got one, JAVY TO THE PENNNNNNNNNN
Craw,
Its just fun to kill time and make fun of them prior to gametime.
More an exercise to kill boredom than anything else.
SJ44
We can only hope it was that easy.
Just a little morning humor.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v.....re=related
Winning today’s game against a tough lefthander, keeping page with the Rays and further establishing a homefield advantage in 2010 of course takes secondary importance to Javy Vazquez making peace with stupid, mostly drunk fans who ignorantly blame him for 2004…
Raymagentic’d/Brian Heyman’d
Joel Sherman has the distinct pleasure of coining that term “loser gene”, but then he would know from losers. That is the most insulting term I’ve ever heard, implying as it does that Javy’s parents are losers.
How I hope Javy pitches well – not so much for the Yankees’ sake as for his sake. I think the piling on has been disgraceful – he’s just in a slump. Now, if he doesn’t think it’s mechanical, then why the significant drop in velocity? Shouldn’t the Yankes have him thoroughly checked out? I guess they think he’s ok………….His stats from other years indicate he’s always been a slow starter (except for last year), so 2010 is no different (though I don’t know what his velocity was those years). The Yankees really need this guy to be good.
LOL that’s why I was responding to them last night; it gives me a chance to be creative and I love that.
If Vasquez sucks today, the Yanks should start Hughes, Sabathia, and Burnett at Fenway 5/7-9 so Vasquez doesn’t start there and Pettitte 5/10 so he’s on normal rest (why mess with a 3-0 and 2.12 ERA in 5 starts known quantity?) In that scenario, Vasquez’s next start after today would be 5/11 in Detroit.
I hope he does well enough to earn the start at Fenway and give everyone an extra day’s rest. If he starts the opener in Fenway 5/7 and falters early, Girardi should immediately bring in Aceves who should consider the appearance an audition for a rotation spot, too bad if Vasquez doesn’t like it. He’s bringing down a buoyant team and lucky he’s making $11.5M not $1.15M this year, or today would be his last chance already. Hypothetically, the Yanks could give Aceves 5/11 and 16 (or Aceves 5/11 and Mitre 5/16) and bury Vasquez if Aceves is decent or better in those starts, or if Aceves is ehhh but the Yanks win in games he starts, but it’s too early and Vasquez is making too much money to give up on him just yet, moreover the Yanks gave up Melky and I believe young lefty Matt Dunn (or was it Dunn to Detroit, Coke to Atlanta?) for Vasquez. I was in the camp of start Joba and keep Melky as the super #4 OF and either Dunn or Coke so no Thames, Winn, or Park but what’s done is done. I must say I am pleased at what I’ve seen from Thames with the bat, but he’s unacceptable in LF when you see Gardner there.
I like Vasquez and think he has the potential to stick with the Yanks as their what I call “Number 3.5 Starter” (sometimes a #3, sometimes a #4), but I put him on the trading block starting in June if he can’t get it done in May. There’d be plenty of N.L. suitors who’d be interested him, I think at least 10 teams would cuz they’d all be thinking they could catch lightning in a bottle and their ace/#2/#3 for 2010 and beyond. Don’t be surprised if the Mets look into him if they’re still having problems with their rotation after Santana and Pelfrey or that and Pelfrey comes down to Earth (which he will.)
If they lose, I’m not worried about the home field advantage thing; they’re going to lose more than a few games at home this year.
Pete put up a post that has a stick figure w/a bag over its head.
That should go over well w/the locals.
There’s no way I’m skipping Javy, even in Boston.
Oh yeah, bury Vasquez – that would be great for the team.
http://www.boston.com/sports/b.....gains.html
I don’t know if I’ll be able to watch much of the game today. At least it’s on YES so there will be an encore.
Go Javy!!!
Just had to say that out loud, cyberspacially speaking that is.
Also, I wanted to give people a heads up that I will host a Sunday Morning Edition of GTLU tomorrow.
Hopefully it’s too nice a day for the trolls to come around today. And I mean that in terms of both the weather and the game.
Wow it must have been the Special K with Strawberries I ate right before bed because I had the craziest dream last night! I dreamed that
1. The Yankees won
2. The Sux lost to the Orioles in extra innings
3. The Rays lost to KC
4. The Jays pounded the A?s
5. The AL West was separated by 1/2 game, with two teams tied for 1st and the other two 1/2 game out.
and this was the craziest one of all
6. The Washington Nationals were in 2ND PLACE IN THE NL EAST, ONLY ONE GAME OUT OF FIRST PLACE
Remind me not to eat right before bed anymore! Uh, what? It wasn?t a dr??
YOWZA!!! Especially to number 6.
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Every day I get an inspirational email sent to me through some on-line evangelical organization. Part of it is a quotation from Charles Spurgeon. Here?s today?s quotation:
?There is nothing too great for us to ask for or for God to grant.?
I was wondering if that included getting Javy a win today and straightened out for the future. Just in case this is a busy request day, I?ll mojo with the food I bought from the bona fide Puerto Rican restaurant!
Nobody is skipping Javy in Early May. That’s fan panic. No logical thinking manager, which Girardi is, will panic this early in the season.
He’s not bringing the team down. they are 15-7, Half their lineup isn’t hitting, and they have the second best record in baseball.
If that’s “bringing a team down”, we have different meanings of the term.
“How I hope Javy pitches well – not so much for the Yankees’ sake as for his sake.”
Javy Vazquez cares about this whole issue a lot less than the fan’s and the media do.
“The Yankees really need this guy to be good.”
Not to put too fine a point on it, but actually, they really don’t… If Sabathia, Burnett, Pettitte and Hughes continue to pitch anywhere near how they did in April, whatever the Yanks get from Vasquez will be pure gravy.
Can I still do the GTLU?
Pretty much wow:
http://www.nypost.com/p/sports.....z0mg6AWcVY
Kevin Long, the Yankees’ hitting instructor, said Johnson’s swing is out of whack and needs extra work. But Long also said Johnson’s fragile body often cannot handle too much extra work.
Long admitted to pushing too hard earlier in the season when he noticed Johnson’s back leg collapsing and sapping his swing of might. However, the grind of trying to fix the glitch led to Johnson hurting his back.
“I have to find the right workload,” Long said.
*********I don’t even know what to say; Nick is so fragile that he can’t even handle a normal workload as far as extra BP?
Relegated to audio today.
Stuckey, I couldn’t disagree more. CC will always be CC. AJ, even if he doesn’t pitch like this all year, will be fine. You think Andy is going to pitch lights out all year? Phil is a #5 – he could very well have more games like Tuesdays (and ones where, not facing a weak O’s team, he can’t work his way around bad stuff). Of course he’ll also have good games, but you can not count on a #5 starter. We clearly have a completely different philosophy re: Phil. I see him as a#5 who is not fully developed (per the Yankees) and who will struggle, mayb often. You see him as almost a veteran where you expect him to pitch well most of the time. The Yankees need Javy because IF they are better than the Rays, a big IF, they aren’t that much better.
It wasn’t a “normal” workload. That’s KLong’s point.
He’s no different than Matsui having to monitor his extra time in the cage, which he did last year because of his knees, or Alex having to back off his usual routine because of his hip. Which, he still has to do.
As KLong says, its about finding balance.
He probably has to soft toss more in the cage and do more flip drills than actual BP.
That’s probably how it will end up.
Betsy-
If Vasquez is awful today, Hughes/Sabathia/Burnett > Vasquez/Hughes/Sabathia in Boston.
The Yanks should put their best team on the field in Boston to make Boston wonder if this year isn’t their year, H/S/B is their best team. ‘Last I checked, Boston is 6 or so games behind Tampa Bay. You sweep Boston with Hughes/Sabathia/Burnett in Fenway and Tampa Bay wins 2 or ideally 3 games during that time, that puts Boston in an early hole re: the postseason. If they play like they played in April in May, Boston is not making the postseason because they are not as strong offensively as they once were. Manny and Bay are gone, Ortiz is a shadow of himself, Varitek and Lowell are part-time players, Cameron and Ellsbury are on the d.l., Beltre isn’t all that.
Bottom line is say Boston loses a bunch of games before the Yanks, Vasquez starts and gets knocked out early. You’ve effectively given Boston hope and put added pressure on Hughes and to a far lesser degree Sabathia, although the heat would be on Sabathia, too, if the Yanks lose with Vasquez and Hughes.
This could be the Yanks’ only chance to really hurt Boston this year. I say skip Vasquez if he sucks today. Now if he’s 7 or more IP 0-2 runs lights out, o.k., start him, but put him on a short leash. Do not make Boston think they can turn it around so early.
The Yankees play Boston in Fenway next week for the last time until the final series of the season, which hopefully will be meaningless in a good way. Next weekend could be the last meaningful games in Boston this year. Seems to me like a very favorable schedule for the Yankees. Also, they won 2 out of 3 from the Rays in Tampa, so the Yankees have the majority of their remaining games against their toughest competition at home.
SJ, that’s fair and I never thought of it like that. That said, it tells you that Nick Johnson, who is not old and does not have chronic injuries, is a very, very fragile player. To have to monitor him to that degree is pretty remarkable.
Yanks taking extra precautions to ensure Nick Johnson doesn’t get sand in his vajayjay.
D, the Yankees are not going to worry about trying to drive a stake through the Sox’ heart this early. They have to worry about their own team and a good Javy makes them a lot better than a bad Javy. Skipping him would be the worst thing they could do to him…….If he has a bad game in Boston, deal with it. They don’t have to sweep and even if they lose 2/3, it’s no big deal.
I won’t go so far to say they don’t “need” Vazquez. They need his length and quality to match his career numbers. If they do, its all good.
If they don’t, they are short an arm, regardless of what anybody else does and that hurts a team as they go forward through the season.
You can’t really replace what he can give you in the rotation with the guys on this roster or what’s currently in AAA.
Bottom line, he has to pick it up. Today would be as good a time as any.
If what Ozzie says is true(big if), and their are 25 guys who can’t wait to grab a bat and pound Vazquez, and being in a hostile home environment; then today is a bigger test than Fenway. That would be a piece of cake compared to what he may be dealing with today. If he pitches well, it may be the kick start he needs to get going. If not, then IDK what to think.
There doesn’t seem to be a lot of talk about Gardner this season.But he really surprised me.
He can actualy hit!Will the Yankees go after Crawford if Gardner keeps this up?
WTH did Javy do to the White Sox to make everyone hate him so much?
Javy, Javy, Javy, Javy, Javy. Doesn’t anyone care that the Nats are in second place in the NL East?
Betsy,
They had to monitor Matsui the same way last year. Its really no different.
The only difference is, fans fixate on Johnson’s injury history and freak out everytime it comes up.
However, look at Matsui’s health since he broke his wrist a few years ago. He’s been as hurt as Johnson. He hasn’t been durable at all.
Both guys carry injury risks. The difference is, fans remember Matsui’s last game with the Yankees and overstate everything about him.
He was an excellent player for the Yankees. Health-wise, he was deteriorating, and they didn’t re-sign him for that reason.
Nick is just as fragile. They either have to find a way to monitor it or he may end up being a platoon DH with Thames for the time being.
Either way, you deal with it as best you can. All you can do.
SJ, I was fine with the Yankees not re-signing Matsui, but I didn’t realize Nick was this fragile. You’re right – they’ll have to make do for this year.
What’s the pitching match up today?
“You can?t really replace what he can give you in the rotation with the guys on this roster or what?s currently in AAA.”
Have you forgotten Kei Igawa?
J/K
Whether Javy picks it up today or doesn’t, the earth will continue to spin on its axis. The Yankees will find a way to survive. The main reason I want to see Javy get on track is for Javy. I have to believe that with each unsuccessful outing it gets harder and harder for him to work things out and he presses even harder, the way it works for all players who go into prolonged slumps.
GO YANKEES!!!
GO ORIOLES!!!
GO NATS!!!
Hot Tub – Danks v. Javy
reading that about Nick Johnson makes you appreciate Jeter all the more.
always plays hurt, never complains. dives into the stands to get the big out.
he’s just a born winner.
Go Javy!!!
Roger -
You can do GTLU anytime you want!!!
I just don’t keep track on Saturdays.
I know you have time zone limitations, so if you want to submit your lineups early (for the next day), just post it here and let me know which day it’s for.
LoHudYankees It’s early, but Grandy, AJ and Nick Johnson are already in the house.
By the way, the career numbers of the Ys against Danks are better than the career numbers of the White Sox v Javy.
GO YANKEES!!!
GO ORIOLES!!!
GO NATS!!!
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I’m going to add a:
GO KC
Its May 1. You don’t even bother thinking about next year, vis a vie Crawford, on May 1.
Gardner has played very well for the Yankees. No question about it.
His AB against Thornton last night was the biggest play of the game and changed the game in the Yankees favor.
If he continues to play well, nothing but good can come to that for the Yankees.
Once the lineup starts hitting, he’s even going to see better pitches to hit because pitchers are going to be exhausted facing the first 8 guys in the order before he hits.
He has played a big role in their good start to the season.
It appears that Pettitte is feeling very healthy this year. His fastball has gotten up to 92. If he can pitch at 89-90 with his command and knowhow, I have little doubt he will have a very good year.
Austinmac, I think Andy will pitch very well too, but I was just suggesting that he wasn’t going to pitch to the tune of a 2.12 ERA this year. They really do need Javy….
That said, Danks has pitched very well for the White Sox so far. So we shouldn’t expect a cake walk, though he hasn’t faced our formidible Yanks yet. His wins came against Toronto, Tampa, and Seattle, and he got a no decision against the Twinkies.
How could I forget that. Thanks Rish.
GO KC!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
“Its May 1. You don?t even bother thinking about next year, vis a vie Crawford, on May 1.”
Ah, someone singing my tune. Thank you SJ. Render to May that which is May’s. Worry about what to render to next year at the appropriate time. May ain’t it!
I’m impressed by Gardner as well. He’s one of the few good “surprises” so far this season.
I hope he can keep this up all season — but I doubt it.
All I care about is winning series. You win series life is good.
Personally, I’d like to see Javy do well today simply because of the ridiculous fan backlash against him. Its all so pointless to me.
SJ44-
If Vasquez pitches well today, say 6 IP, 2 ER, 6K, but Hughes throws a complete-game shutout tomm=orrow, Hughes opens in Fenway, period end of story case closed, or Girardi is a fool who wants to put the Yanks in position to wake up Boston on 5/7.
You do not wake up Boston under any circumstances.
In fact, say the Yanks and Tampa Bay won all their games and Boston lost all their games before Fenway next weekend (in a dream world.) I want Sabathia and Burnett on normal rest at Fenway. That means Hughes or Vasquez has to miss a start. Well, whoever’s better from today and tomorrow.
I’m MVP and RoY.
Need I say more?
I don’t think the point was the White Sox all HATE Javy, it’s just that when you face a former teammate you want to beat him a little extra.
It’ll be interesting to watch NJ all season. Good thing it’s a one year commitment.
If Garner is this good all year I’d prefer they pass and Crawford and use assets to get a slugger for RF and DH Swish. Or leave Swish alone and find the best DH possible…. someone younger, healthier and more athletic than NJ.
Trisha –
KC is my feelgood team – have friends done there and been to a few games at their “new” stadium. I always want them to win (unless they are playing the Yankees)…especially if they are playing the Rays
Hughes is not being pushed ahead of Javy no matter what happens today or tomorrow..
I think the idea of skipping Vazquez in Boston is nuts. It’s May first for cryin’ out loud. You don’t alter your rotation for that. The pressure is on Boston. Don’t add pressure to the Yanks by screwing around with the pitching as if it’s a critical series because it isn’t.
You can post it a 1,000 times if you want, Girardi is not changing the rotation for a May series in Boston. It ain’t gonna happen.
They don’t care about “waking up” Boston.
Just because you are petrified of the Red Sox doesn’t mean the Yankees are.
Hard as it may be for you to believe, an early May series at Fenway is not a do or die series for the Yankees.
the yanks shouldn’t messed with anything.
are the redsox are good, yes.
but you can argue their the most overated team in baseball.
their starters are overated, though good.
their pen isn’t deep
their offense isn’t equip to win shoot outs. especially on the road
I want to know why all the focus on the Red Sox when the Rays are actually in first place and the Sox are further away than the Rays.
Better yet, focus on the Yankees winning games and the law of averages playing out
LoHudYankees Girardi waiting on Posada for lineup but expects he’ll be ready to play today.
I suppose I’m the only one who noticed the Yankees haven’t had a reliable 5th starter in perhaps… forever…
“We clearly have a completely different philosophy re: Phil. I see him as a#5 who is not fully developed (per the Yankees) and who will struggle, mayb often.”
Betsy, I think it’s fair to say your view of Hughes is based much more so on your hopes for him. In my opinion, you’re letting your desire to temper fan’s expectation for Hughes (so they don’t turn on him ala Vazquez if he struggles) influence your expectations.
“The Yankees need Javy because IF they are better than the Rays, a big IF, they aren’t that much better.”
But the Yankees don’t need to be much better than the Rays. In fact, they don’t need to be better than the Rays at all.
Are the other 4 going to be as good as they were in April? Probably not. But the offense is likely to be better, and they aren’t going to play 15 of every 22 games on the road either.
And they did this getting NOTHING from Vazquez’s spot.
5th starter is probably the biggest mirage in sports.
Rishi,
Because some folks have an unhealthy fear of the Red Sox.
Look at that team this year. They aren’t good.
The Rays are MUCH better than the Red Sox. Perhaps by as much as 10 games.
Its not even close.
If you are going to “worry” about another team, “worry” about the Rays. They are a much tougher team than the Red Sox this year.
lol, trisha. I thought you were having naughty thoughts about Danks & Javy. Eating your PR meal in a Hot Tub. But then I realized you were talking to Hot Tub.
Javy will be pulled from the rotation with a mysterious ailment before they rearrange the rotation. Doesn’t matter if he’s pitching 4th or 5th, if he continues to pitche like he did in Anaheim & Baltimore.
But he won’t, he’s too good not to figure it out.
Jeter SS
Johnson DH
Teixeira 1B
Rodriguez 3B
Cano 2B
Posada C
Swisher RF
Thames LF
Granderson CF
Torre’s horse Zimmer just won
“You do not wake up Boston under any circumstances”
I think they are already awake and trying as hard as they can. They just aren’t very good right now. Their only chance is that their starters, including Matsuzaka, pitch as well as they ever have; Vmart starts hitting, and Youkilis and Pedroia stay hot all season.
There are a few Gardner supporters that have been saying that Gardner is completely capable of doing exactly what he is doing right now but were shouted down by all the so called know-it-all’s on here that thought he was a “4th outfielder,” “a AAAA player,” a weak hitter, a slap hitter, “poor defensive player,” “shouldn’t even be in the major leagues and so on.
There is absolutely no reason to think Gardner will not be able to keep up the good work. From what I’ve observed, he’s not even hitting his stride YET.
You’re going to see a whole lot more doubles, triples, even inside-the-park homers, outrageous numbers of stolen bases and just havoc and headaches for the opposition.
In other words, you ain’t seen nothing yet.
The key is that Yankees and Girardi should realize this and let him play everyday. A new Yankee star is emerging here.
Rish, I also have warm feelings for KC and am so happy to know they are your adopted team! They’re another team that has continually had fan sand kicked in their faces but have actually had some very good components to their teams! They’ve had some top-notch starting pitching and also really good offense. I think their bugaboo has been the classic bullpen letdown.
I admit to actually having wanted certain teams to win when they’ve played the Yankees, even if it’s one game (so the Yanks end up taking the series) and been really happy when they did. It’s always the teams with the worst records, of course. I can’t help it. I’m into validation and self actualization. And of course always believing the Yanks will pull it out when it counts. On the rare occasions that the Yankees have been down and out of course I pull for only the Yankees.
“stuckey says:
May 1, 2010 at 10:15 am
Winning today’s game against a tough lefthander, keeping page with the Rays and further establishing a homefield advantage in 2010 of course takes secondary importance to Javy Vazquez making peace with stupid, mostly drunk fans who ignorantly blame him for 2004…
Raymagentic’d/Brian Heyman’d”
lol
I think you’re confusing me however. My point is if Javy is so worried about what the fans think then he should pitch better.
I personally don’t think he should give a rat’s ass about people who boo him. Why is he and Girardi so concerned about drunken ignorant fans? Focus in pitching and he’ll be good.
He’s already lost if he’s worried about what the fans will do if he pitches poorly. Understand?
You mean Torre didn’t name his horse “Scott Proctor’s Right Arm”?!
Stuckey, I believe everything I write about Phil. If I write (and I’m speaking only for myself) that I don’t believe you can count on a #5 starter (even one as good as Phil) to be ultra-reliable, then that’s exactly what I mean. I did not write that for other people, just for me. Phil is the #5 starter, Javy the #4. If Javy was performing (or ends up performing well), then yes – no one will care about the #5 spot. However, if Javy doesn’t pitch well as the #4 then that’s a problem because Phil is still a #5 starter and you’d end up with a very shaky Javy as the 4. Look, you know I have always expected Phil to be a #1, so this has nothing to do with my expectations of him in the future. I’m strictly talking this year. I’m not saying he won’t be very good – by the end of the year, that’s exactly what I expect him to be- but he’s going to have ups and downs. That’s the truth – it has nothing to do with me trying to lower anyone’s expectations. As such, the Yankees need Javy to perform. Why do you think they traded for him?
“lol, trisha. I thought you were having naughty thoughts about Danks & Javy. Eating your PR meal in a Hot Tub. But then I realized you were talking to Hot Tub.
”
mel, threesomes are definitely not my thing!
GO NATS!!!!
But more importantly, GO JAVIER VAZQUEZ!! Has anyone ever sported a hotter, more GORGEOUS receding hairline than Vazquez!!!!!
♥ JAVIER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
m May 1st, 2010 at 11:11 am
You mean Torre didn’t name his horse “Scott Proctor’s Right Arm”?!
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LoHudYankees Girardi waiting on Posada for lineup but expects he’ll be ready to play today. #Yankees
10 minutes ago via UberTwitter
threesomes! Yummy! They’re my thing, if they include any combination of Jaromir, Henrik, Jeeties, even Joe Girardi, or Sid the Hot Kid!!!!!!!
Hmmm, DELICIOUS!!!!
LoHudYankees If Posada can catch, Thames will DH. Gardy in LF. Johnson on bench. Should know soon.
GTLU
Jeter SS
Gardner LF
Texeira 1B
Rodriguez 3B
Cano 2B
Posada C
Thames DH
Swisher RF
Granderson CF
Erin,
lol. Girardi must know there’s no GTLU today. He’s leaving a crumb trail there.
“Personally, I’d like to see Javy do well today simply because of the ridiculous fan backlash against him. Its all so pointless to me.”
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I concur.
Never mind what Boston does or is doing. The Rays are the team in 1st place and that’s the real focus.
Javy finding himself with a quality start today and calming down the fair weather fans looms large.
Looks like Jorgie is back
LoHudYankees Jeter, Swish, Tex, A Rod, Cano, Jorge, Thames, Grandy, Gardner
Bench johnson.
Glad to see Jorge back, but he looked terrible in his at bat yesterday….I wonder if that knee is 100%
The gay yankees fan=CR9??
SJ44
I have to disagree on the fact that ‘you don’t even bother thinking about next year, vis a vie Crawford, on May 1′.
You should always think about next year because they are waiting for some guys to become a FA.They’ve always liked Crawford but I’m just wondering if a good year from Gardner could change their minds about signing Crawford.
But I know it’s not a sure thing that Gardner keeps this up.But he showing that he can do more then just run
Jeter SS
Swisher RF
Teixeira 1B
Rodriguez 3B
Cano 2B
Posada C
Thames DH
Granderson CF
Gardner LF
I don’t love the bottom of the lineup against Danks but lets go Javy, 8 inning 3 hits 1 run
Just took a look at Pete’s site. I didn’t realize Beltre was having a rough go of it defensively.
And add Embree to the list of players who let themselves be whipped by the Sox. He basically knew he was going to be designated and accomodated the Sox by extending his out.
Sad to read some of his comments stuck between playing and retiring depending on whether or not another team wants to pick him up.
The gay yankees fan=CR9??
No, I don’t think so.
Just reading some of CR9′s posts, you can tell our posting style isn’t even the same.
The Yanks lead the league in OPS at .816, vs. Detroit at .800 and Tampa Bay at .797. Yet the Yanks have scored fewer runs: 118, vs. Detroit 120 and TB 144. I guess this means the Yanks have not hit as well as the other two teams with runners on base.
Why are the Yanks hitting worse with men on? Partly it’s the failure of Teix and NJ (and ARod, to a degree) to drive in runs as should be expected. Partly it’s probably luck. Both of these things are fixable. One way or another I expect the Yanks to eventually lead the league in runs scored.
anyone read about the mets beat writer” i think” went to philly and started talking tr*sh
SJ44
I think the Yankees have what-if plans drawn out to the nth degree. Every contingency.
However, I do think it’s premature to write the 2011 lineup. way premature.
m -
I think you’re onto something – Girardi never gives up pieces of info like that on days GTLU runs. And it’s well-known that there is NO GTLU on Saturdays!!!
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Got my ticket for the Hughes show tomorrow. I’ll be up close right behind the super expensive seats.
Go Hughes
Yankees have what-if plans drawn out to the nth degree. Every contingency.
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86w183,
i don’t think the yanks will go for a DH signing next off-season, as there are plenty of candidates for this position in the upcoming years… (posada, then a-rod, tex as they get older, perhaps montero…)
i believe they will go all out for cliff lee, and i’m all for it.
crawford will be with the red sox. if their season continues anyway the way it started, and san diego remain competitive (no gonzalez trade) – the sox will have to blow up the bank and get crawford, or theo gets crucified… (run prevention??? how about beltre with 5!! errors in april…)
“The Yanks lead the league in OPS at .816, vs. Detroit at .800 and Tampa Bay at .797. Yet the Yanks have scored fewer runs”
I think that’s because Cano has completely skewed the Yankees OPS and he’s hitting behind two guys batting .130 so he can’t drive in many runs.
cr9,
girardi?! scary…
LoHudYankees A legend among us: #Braves great John Smoltz just strolled into the clubhouse. Once birdied No. 1 in a match with buddy Tiger. (Tiger won.)
Gil,
Did you read the article on espn.com about the power outage at the DH position? You may be on to something as the game gets younger and more athletic. Having a station to station guy or an older power bat could can be inflexible and risky (relying on an older bat).
I thought NJ signed for 2 years? Was the second one an option?
m,
nj signed for one year.
M, yes – the 2nd year was a mutual option
is it just me or have the ads here gotten worse/more annoying!?
“*********I don’t even know what to say; Nick is so fragile that he can’t even handle a normal workload as far as extra BP?”
Meanwhile we have a perfectly well groomed Cuban destroyer in Juan Miranda rotting away in AAA.
Today we’ll find out if Robi’s hitting is as real as it can be.
Girardi is a fool if he starts Vasquez in the opening game at Fenway if Vasquez gets shellacked today. I’m not petrified of the Red Sox and I don’t think it’s a do or die series for the Yanks. I want the Yanks to strike the first critical blow against the Red Sox in the chance the Sox go into a 0-6/1-5/2-4 tailspin while T.B. 4-1/5-0 rolls along before next weekend.
My argument is don’t wake up Boston, give them hope, make them think they can sweep the Yanks if they destroy Vasquez. My other one is I want our ace and #2 on normal rest against the Yanks perennial archrival. If it was Game 7 of the 2010 A.L.C.S. right now and I had to chose between Hughes or Vasquez, I’d go with Hughes. Just like I’d have still went with Brown or anyone else in the 2004 rotation plus two guys I wished were in it (Clemens and Pettitte) over Vasquez for Game 7 of that year’s A.L.C.S.
“The Yanks lead the league in OPS at .816, vs. Detroit at .800 and Tampa Bay at .797. Yet the Yanks have scored fewer runs: 118, vs. Detroit 120 and TB 144. I guess this means the Yanks have not hit as well as the other two teams with runners on base.”
The issue is not really hitting with runners in scoring position. The reason this is happening is due to the distribution of batting averages and on base percentage over all in the line up.
The primary reason the yankees haven’t scored as many runs as you’d expect is due to Mark Teixeira. That’s the majore reason for the discrepancy.
Teixeira is simply not hitting at all – either with the bases empty or with men on base.
So Teix simply isn’t getting hits. If you’re #3 hitter is hitting behind guys who are getting on base alot but is hitting .130 there’s going to be a gap between OPS and runs scored.
Then to compound that problem Tex isn’t getting on base either. Tons of attention has been paid to Nick Johnson – and he definitely needs to swing the bat better – but between Tex and Johnson – there’s no comparison – Tex has hurt them far more because Tex isn’t getting on base.
A majorr reason why Cano doesn’t have more RBI’s is because he keeps hitting solo home runs. A major reason for that is Tex’s is getting on base less than .300.
The other reasons for the gaps in OPS vs. runs scored is that Johnson is walking but not hitting at all. And Alex hasn’t really gotten in going either. Same for Granderson who cooled off a lot on the road trip.
The good news is that the team is still 15-7 and the offense has been scoring runs thanks to Cano, Posada, and Jeter.
And the better news is that all of those reasons for the gap in OPS vs. runs scored is going to change. The yankee hitters are far too good and have far too extensive a track record to continue their limited hitting.
Another thing:
What if Vasquez goes 3.3 IP 7 H 5 ER today and Hughes hurls a complete-game shutout with 12 K tomorrow? You start Hughes vs. Boston period, end of story, case closed, and 5/7 is as important as 6/7, 7/7, 8/7, or 9/7.
If Vasquez gets shellacked today (again I hope he doesn’t) and Girardi started Vasquez over Hughes next Friday, he’s ringing the dinner bell for Boston and lemme tell ya, if T.B. is for real again (they look it so far), Boston takes off from next weekend (2 out of 3 or sweep) starting with a win Friday night, and the Yanks miss the postseason by at least one game, everyone will point to Girardi starting Vasquez over Hughes on 5/7 at Fenway and I want Girardi out of here. Don’t think it could happen? Think again.
I’m bummed Johnson doesn’t get the start today, he needs to play to get out of this funk and he has no negative lefty splits. However, you really can’t argue with starting Thames at DH vs a lefty. He has destroyed lefties this year and while I don’t like him in the field, I have absolutely no issue with him DHing.
I think Girardi’s decision came down to, “Who is going to hit a lefty better, Nick Johnson or Brett Gardner?” Today the answer is Gardner, he’s on a tear while NJ is cold.
Brandon
What’s Miranda doing at Scranton??
m.,
i haven’t read the article, but as far as DH for the yankees, the length of existing contracts pretty much dictates the usage of the position. eventually it will be occupied by our maturing C, 3B and 1B, just to name a few.
anyway, i believe the number one position you should always worry about is SP. imagine these 4:
cc sabathia
cliff lee
aj burnett
phil hughes
2 LHP, 2 RHP… picture perfect.
Hi all – just getting caught up from being at work this AM –
While it would be great if Nick J. got it together, the Yanks are not going to sink because of any failure on his part. Worse comes to worse, Thames splits DH time with either one of the regulars, or maybe even Juan Miranda, who supposedly kills righties, but gets killed by lefties (? mirror image of Thames?).
Outside of the salary line spent on Nick, I really don’t think it’s a longterm problem for the lineup.
And I agree with others here, that the primary competition for the Yanks is Tampa, not Boston. I know they’re not going to play .750 baseball for the season, but they’re good, primarily because of their starters. Barring injury or total collapse by that pen, it will be neck and neck.
Danks is a very good pitcher who is off to a very fast start. Even though Johnson doesn’t have a significant career split against lefties I think sitting him today is the right move. Danks doesn’t walk a lot of hitters and strikes out a decent number. Not a great match up for NJ while he’s in his funk.
Thames has been a plus bat against lefties so far (which is in line with his career numbers).
With a lefty like Danks Gardner’s got a chance to at least leg out some hits on balls hit on the ground.
Roger, the power numbers are there…he’s prbly wondering what he’s doing in AAA is my guess. Right now he’s in a sorta slump.
http://web.minorleaguebaseball.....pid=506673
Joe, I don’t quite agree; I think NJ is an integral part of the lineup. If he’s honestly this bad, then the lineup is weakened. He’ s only a careeer .270 hitter, so I’m not sure why he was made out to be some great hitter. Believe me, I like that he gets on base, but it’s like he is afraid to swing the bat. Is it because he’s hurt? Because he just wants to walk? I don’t know, but he’s frustrating.
Roger
Enough with the orientation jokes
I am “the bi Yankees fan” !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Brandon
I’m wondering what he’s doing at AAA as well!!
He could bring a lot more to this team then Randy Winn…
Bets – It sure is frustrating. But, it’s still early. It really is.
Nick isn’t an important part of the lineup. Cano is. Tex is. Jeter is. Arod is.
Nick is easily replaceable if he can’t do the job.
‘He could bring a lot more to this team then Randy Winn…’
Well see Winn looks good chasing LDs, although I’d take Golson or Curtis over him any day.
Miranda is basically contemplating what’s the point in swinging a bat right now, they say I couldn’t handle lefties, I made that effort, I KILL BALLS..and would own YS’s LF porch but I’m here in SWB w/ 410 plus wall.
He should have known that it wasn’t you.He wasn’t naming any hoties
Bayern just won the Bundesliga btw.I know you a big fan of that team.
City won today as well.Not a good day for United fans
And NBC is advocating intentionally injuring Chris Pronger of the Flyers to take him out of the series.
Hmmm, who are the Flyers playing?
Oh, that’s right, the BOSTON Bruins.
Ugh Javy Today.
Darn. We needed City to win so Liverpool would be trying their hardest tomorrow against Chelsea.
I dont dislike Bayern.
Hmmm. Can’t figure out the offending word…
City to lose
SJ, if NJ can’t get he job done, then who replaces him?
nick johnson leads the al in walks.
he has a career 125 adjusted ops.
he going to hit, just like tex.
the only difference between tex and johnson is.
johnson has been compeitive, tex been an automatic out
Context-less remark from #Yankees clubhouse: “Everyone knows I’m a good-looking guy.” –Nick Swisher
42 minutes ago
I would like to here the context of that one.
Got it.
D- I don’t agree with your as*essment about playing Javy in fenway.
The Sux know Javy hasn’t been pitching well. For him to get shelled would hardly give them a head of steam because they know how the rest of the Yankees starters have been pitching.
They don’t have the horses to sustain a head of steam. Their schedule gets pretty tough in the coming weeks.
Yankees were 0-8 against the Sux last season. We saw how that ended up.
To hold back Javy would indicate a lack of confidence in Javy. That would give more of a psychological edge, I believe, than playing him. Playing Javy gives the message that the Yankees know that his trevails are temporary.
As an aside, the Yankees will be winning number 28 this year. There is nothing to fear but fear itself.
This was an interesting story Donnie Collins the Scranton beat writer had about the game this week where the Yankees faced Aroldis Chapman.
Stick Michael was there to watch the game and here’s his reaction to Chapman:
“The great architect of the mid-1990s Yankees dynasty, Gene Michael, was also watching Chapman (and the Yankees, of course) from the press box last night. When we were chatting with him, he mentioned that the prospect who reminds him most of Chapman was a kid Yankees fans who were around back in the early 1990s will certainly remember. Brien Taylor was a lanky 6-foot-3 lefty who threw 98 mph fastballs and had the largest signing bonus ever handed out to a draft pick in his bank account. The Yankees took him No. 1 overall in the amateur draft in 1991. He was bigger, Stick pointed out. He maybe had a little better command when he was 19 than Chapman does now. Taylor, legend says, struck out something like 200 batters in 80 innings in high school — a can’t miss prospect. But he injured his shoulder in a fist fight before the 1994 season, and the one-time top prospect in baseball never pitched in the majors. At the time, he was only the second player ever to be drafted No. 1 overall and not wind up ever making the majors. But he was good. Darn good. His agent, Scott Boras, still says he’s the best high school pitcher he has ever seen. And when Stick talks about how good he was, he smiles fondly, like old scouts do when then talk about the great ones. He sees Brien Taylor’s stuff in Aroldis Chapman.”
http://blogs.thetimes-tribune......#more-4185
I’m going to think positive thoughts about Javy – he needs this and the Yankees need him.
Guess who has the most RBI’s for the Yankees so far-
Easy to guess Cano… but didya know that Jeter has the same as Robbie dontcha know.
Look at the averages-
Starters- Cano, Jete, GGBG, Jorge
Also of note- Thames & Cervelli
HRs
Robbie, Jorge, Jete
where are Alex, Tex, Grandy?
OPS
Robbie, Jorge, Jete
2nd group (just below the .800 level- which I call a good year)
GGBG, Swish, ARod
Outstanding subs
Thames & Cisco
BB’s
NJ, Tex, ARod, Grandy
(BB’s are OK, but come on guys… we need more hits from you!!)
9 triples in 22 games
… compared to
21 triples in 162 games last year
Pitching Summaries coming up soon…
“johnson has been compeitive, tex been an automatic out”
I don’t know about competitive, it seems his strategy is to hope the pitcher throws 4 balls before he can throw 3 strikes.
“He sees Brien Taylor’s stuff in Aroldis Chapman.”
I have a feeling that a lot of teams will end up wondering why they didn’t make better offers to him when they had the chance to get him for nothing but a relatively reasonable deal.
“SJ, if NJ can’t get he job done, then who replaces him?”
Probably Thames/Miranda platoon or a trade if a better option presents itself.
Doubt it gets to that point though. NJ just has to play his way back into the full time lineup at this point b/c both Thames and Gardner are outplaying him.
CB -
Then why, oh, why, did they not sign Chapman?
There must have been something else about him that turned them off…
CB
That’s all the more reason why I’m saddened and still quite surprised that the Yanks decided against making the investment into Aroldis and adding that kind of rm to their inventory.
It’s always a calculated risk and I understand that the $’s got really high ultimately as well as the fact that we have a plethora of high ceiling arms on the farm….however I felt and continue to feel that at the lastest Chapman would be ready to start fulltime in 2011. It seems like he’ll be pitching for the Reds big club sometime in the next 4-6 weeks.
Imagine 2011
CC
AJ
Pett
Hughes
Chapman
Joba
Ace
DRob
Melancon
Logan
Marte
Mo
that’s a hell of a 12 man staff in terms of pure stuff, age, ability…. LH/RH balance
Doreen-
I’d have to assume that Stick didn’t get enough of a chance to see him to form a confident opinion on him.
I’d find it difficult to believe that Stick told them this kid is a Brien Taylor like talent and they didn’t sign him. There probably wasn’t enough information available about him to have that kind of scouting report on him.
Also – it’s still not clear if Chapman is going to be a starter or reliever. His velocity faded significantly in that game against Scranton and his breaking stuff wasn’t great. It’s stil hard to know even after he’s thrown several games stateside.
He does have a great arm.
pat May 1st, 2010 at 12:35 pm
Context-less remark from #Yankees clubhouse: “Everyone knows I’m a good-looking guy.” –Nick Swisher
42 minutes ago
I would like to here the context of that one.
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Me too! LOL
Omar Vizquel leading off? Was Luis Aparicio not available? I thought he retired years ago.
“the only difference between tex and johnson is.
johnson has been compeitive, tex been an automatic out”
I know you’re not insinuating what I think you are.
Chapman not being signed by the Yankees is still a wonder to me.
Ouch, a Thames/Miranda platoon? I do not want that.
Cash is already taking hits from fans who are ticked off he let Matsui go and traded AJax; if they have to sit NJ or trade for another option, I’m not sure I want to be around for the uproar.
I’m sure Nick will come out of his slump, but I just wonder period if the guy has more interest in walking than swinging the bat.
“Then to compound that problem Tex isn’t getting on base either”
This is really the biggest difference between Tex last year and this year. Last season there is no doubt he was struggling, but at least he was still getting on base at a decent clip. This season, he really is not doing anything at the plate thus far. He is a complete black hole in the lineup.
He has the 14th worst OPS in all of baseball.
Thanks, CB.
True, they had to make a kind of snap judgment on the guy and it’s an awful lot of money, especially if you’re not 100% certain he projects as a starter.
Doreen, the Yankees were not turned off by him (and I have no regrets – what’s past is past; I’m not upset about it).
People keep saying the Yankees didn’t like him; that is just patently untrue. Mark Newman was quoted (and it was posted on this blog) that they liked Chapman a lot, but that they thought he was raw. He would have started at A or AA. Obviously Chapman didn’t think he was that far away…..Why should the Yankees rush him to the majors just because he felt he was ready? I have no problem with them not paying $$$$$ just for the priviledge of being on Chapman’s schedule.
Stick is not infallible; he wanted to trade Phil for Santana.
CB – That’s a great story about Stick Michael and Brien Taylor. Michael was the GM who was charged with signing him, and Michael had a horrible time dealing with Taylor’s family, let alone Boras. It was a ton of money for the time. But Taylor was very talented, and was on track to be great, a la Dwight Gooden. But, like Gooden, he was derailed; a bar fight involving his brother or cousin, I think.
So, comparing Chapman to Brien Taylor is high praise from Michael.
The Yanks were all over Chapman last year. And then, they hosted him at the Stadium for a playoff game (Game 2 v. Phillies, I think). After that, they seemed to steer away from him. Obviously, something happened to change their thinking. I don’t know how he came off in that luxury suite, but something seemed to change very suddenly, from what I can tell.
Maybe, when Cash gets around to writing his memoirs….
Getting my Puerto Rican food ready and hoping that since I am watching the pregame on ExtraInnings, DirecTV, that maybe the game will be televised…
GO YANKEES!!!
As April turned to May, this is my prediciton.
Javy will pitchwell and will have a quality start – 6 innings 3 runs.
It is up to the offense to score more than those runs and win the game.
Hopefully this will get the boobirds off Javy’s back.
Just in case, I think I’ll power up the audio.
Seeing Taylor’s stuff in Chapman isn’t necessarily the same thing a saying Chapman is another Taylor in terms of how he projects as a pitcher….
It’s too bad about Taylor; I remember his mother being a royal pain in the behind.
Stick’s not infallible. No one is.
But Stick did build one of the great dynasties in the history of American sports.
And he did so by taking over a team and organization that was in complete disarray.
Hard to discount that kind of achievement.
tex obp is under 3.
nick obp is close to 400.
granted tex been great on defense.
is hilarious everybody kills nick, yet tex gets a pass.
nick johnson is no scrub, yet he gets treated like one
Betsy,
So, what you could say is that they were turned off by the fact that Chapman overvalued himself, in a sense, as relates to how the Yankees saw him.
Believe me, I don’t lose sleep over these things. Just thought it was interesting that Gene Michael had these glowing things to say.
Go Javy!!
I have the game!!!! WOO HOO!!!!
If you’re blacked out, you might want to consider DirecTv and then Extra Innings.
CB, I’m not discounting anything Stick did; I love the guy. What exactly does he do now?
Very tall order for Javy today
Hot 85 degree day, the ball will be flying out. Vazquez gives up a ton of HRs as it is… the Chi Sox lefties will feast on him if he doesn’t have his good FB.
Doreen, possibly, though I think “turned off” is a very negative connotation. I would say that there is a good chance they just disagreed with Chapman’s evaluation of himself and decided that they weren’t going to pay him what he wanted for the priviledge of having him decide when he’s ready.
cash screwed up on giving jackson away big time.
I’m going to predict that Javy goes 4 very good innings and maybe struggles a little in the 5th and 6th but Jorge will be able to keep him in line enough for the win.
Decent applause for Vazquez when the roll was announced. In fact, it was better than I expected. The crowd’s behind him for starters, good.
2 minutes ago
He didn’t give away Austin Jackson. He acquired a better player for him.
Get back to me in June and see if you are still crying over that trade.
Decent applause for Vazquez when the roll was announced. In fact, it was better than I expected. The crowd’s behind him for starters, good.
2 minutes ago
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Just wait till he gives up his first hit….
HUH? Teddy b/c Teix always does this, Mark Teixeira ALLSTAR! Big game hitter…Nick Johnson not pimple on his a… what do you mean why ppl aren’t ripping Teix, you should know why by now.
These AJax/Grandy posts are like catnip; I want to respond, but I refuse to give them credence. I saw one fan post that Cashman thinks he’s above the team by getting too cute and dumping Matsui/AJax.
go javy
‘cash screwed up on giving jackson away big time.’
He’s having a ball right now, but wait till those scouting reports get out, then we’ll see.
What a lot of people are missing about the Jackson trade is that by some chance he does turn out to be a better player than Granderson, it still is a very good trade for the Yankees.
Granderson is better than Jackson right now and very likely will continue to be for the foreseeable future and and that is what really matters when you have a team built like the Yankees.
Why isn’t this game on mlb.tv yet.
What’s the god damn hold up??(Band of Brothers)
By the way, there are certain situations where I feel better having Jorge behind the dish than Cervelli. This is definitely one of them.
and strike 1
nice start…nice and easy
Anyone watch Yankees Bonus Cam?
Joe from Long Island -
Re: Chapman. That’s how I remember it, and I can’t help but thinking the same way you laid it out.
Who knows?
Oh, darn.
Lookin’ so good till then. Missed by one row.
Jones is hot. I wouldn’t let that bother me.
if only gardner was 10 feet tall
Javy……
Ha, that fan was so happy he caught a home run ball…against his own team.
LGY, and we’ll see in a few years. Granderson is a terrific player, but his slump (OMG, he’s not perfect) has obscured the start he got off to (which was fantastic). I assume the Yankees are hoping they can get a few years of Grandy and then let Heathcott take over. Of course, a lot has to go right for that to happen and, anyway, would the Yankees entrust CF to an unproven kid? Were they going to do that with Jackson?
With an 0-2 count that breaking ball needs to be in the dirt…
Ralphie D -
Thinking the same thing…
C’mon Javy. Relax.
Solo HR no biggie.
Oy, not what Javy needed.
I don’t mind him walking Konerko. Not a bit.
Red Hot White Sox Offense vs. Vazquez
Vazquez will allow at least 17 runs today.
I might be Dutch.But I hate A .Jones right now
just get the third out…one run is not a killer…it’s the big innings that hurt
Vazquez was staying on top of the ball well to the first to batters. His fastball especially.
And then in that Jones at bat he started dropping his shoulder again and getting under the ball.
Same thing with that walk to Konerko. He got underneath every pitch he threw.
He just needs to stay on top of the ball and he’ll be fine.
i agree, trisha – better a walk than a hr
If you look where he’s placing them now, you could almost think that he pitched around Konerko intentionally.
YS is also going to be a great stadium for Grandy to play in, yet the Yankees have only played 7 games here.
Wait till the Yankees start racking up home games and Grandy is depositing balls over the short porch.
Shouldn’t Javy’s mechanics be ok by this point?
And if he doesn’t give up 17 runs, what name will you post under tomorrow?
BTW, your Red Sox are still under .500 and David Ortiz can’t play anymore. How is that working out for you?
He keeps dropping his shoulder.
That was a strike.
That one was not.
VERY NICE INNING.
Good job Javy. Good job Jorge.
Sorry to be dummy, but what does it mean to drop your shoulder (as opposed to staying on top of the ball)? Thanks!
Trisha,
He wasn’t pitching around Konerko. You don’t pitch around a guy in that situation.
As CB said, he got under the ball and out of whack after the HR.
“Shouldn’t Javy’s mechanics be ok by this point?”
CC’s mechanics were off or at least inconsistent last year until August.
Betsy, I think his mechanics are fine at this point. I think he pitched around Konkerko.
He usually gets through his first few innings very well. So if mechanics jump in, maybe it’s after that.
Who wants to take Javy spot in rotation?
This is interesting. Javy’s first inning was almost exactly like Pettitte’s first inning yesterday. He threw strikes, got ahead in the count, but gave up a cheapie HR to a hot hitter.
It would go a long way if Vazquez can settle down the way Pettitte did.
SJ – Konkerko is one of the hottest hitters there is. I think that was pretty intentional.
Not worth further discussion. Not every pitch needs to be analyzed.
Oh, that’s true CB, lol. I hope we don’t have to wait that long for Javy to find himself…I know he’s a good pitcher and will do well here. I honestly do not believe that he can’t pitch in NY, no matter what some big mouths say.
A solo home run is no big deal. The good sign there was that Javy stayed on top of his fastball and when he did his fastball had better location, velocity and life.
That inning his breaking stuff was what he got under and then that got him back into getting under the ball on his fastball as well.
Javy is really a completely different pitcher when he’s staying on top. Once he gets this issue in his mechanics ironed out he is going to be a very valuable starter for the yanks.
When he stays on top the stuff is there. No question.
All in all not a bad first inning. Jones absolutely kills Javy and you know Javy’s going to let up some homeruns especially at home, but if they are just solo shots he will be fine. It was good to see him win that battle with Teahen and not let the inning get too out of hand. All in all, I’ll take it. I just hope we can get to Danks. He’s turning into a stud.
RS,
Don’t do that. Don’t speak logic on this spread. Its, “Let’s Kill Vazquez” from the bloodthirsty “fans” who are rooting for his failure.
Kind of sad those folks call themselves Yankee fans.
On the other hand, SJ, he could have gotten a little discombobulated after the HR, true.
LOL I hope the whole “YS is a bandbox” thing is not going to start again. In their first homestand, only a couple of HRs were hit (I believe)….
of course jones ball goes out, but yanks come close twice
It doesn’t matter how hot he is. Nobody intentionally pitches around a hitter with the bases empty after giving up a HR to the previous batter in the first inning.
It makes no baseball sense.
Welcome to May, Tex
Must be May.
another hit from austin
lol
Will Alex follow suit?
“It doesn?t matter how hot he is. Nobody intentionally pitches around a hitter with the bases empty after giving up a HR to the previous batter in the first inning.”
Actually, if you are a skitterish pitcher who has had very bad luck and you’ve just given up a HR, you actually might put a hot hitter on, with the bases empty and two outs. It’s smarter than taking your chances.
But again, no need to analyze this to death. Agreeing to disagree isn’t a bad thing. It also ge
“It doesn?t matter how hot he is. Nobody intentionally pitches around a hitter with the bases empty after giving up a HR to the previous batter in the first inning.”
Actually, if you are a skitterish pitcher who has had very bad luck and you’ve just given up a HR, you actually might put a hot hitter on, with the bases empty and two outs. It’s smarter than taking your chances.
But again, no need to analyze this to death. Agreeing to disagree isn’t a bad thing. It also ge
Isn’t Jackson also striking out at an extremely high rate? I mean I think he’s def going to be a solid major leaguer and I loved him as a prospect but I would take Grandy, a proven major leaguer and that trade in a heartbeat.
“another hit from austin
lol”
When they scout his holes, you’ll see. Robi Cano even slumped and he was a better hitter than Austin will be.
Everyone hit the ball hard that inning, so that’s a good sign.
It also keeps you from having to discuss something ad nauseum that really doesn’t matter.
New inning.
Leader Board:
Nic: 0.138
Tex: 0.146
Grandy: 0.221
more bad luck
why does everyone say, you’ll see, whit till t he scouting reports come in.
it sounds like u guys want his numbers to drop.
whos so say hes not gonna hit 300?
he hasnt struck out in 4/5 games.
another hit from austin
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But “That’s unsustainable.”
LOL
No need to analyze this to death -
& yet you continue bring it up to get the last word.
SJ’s take makes baseball sense; yours does not.
No need to keep analyzing this, so just move on and do not respond. OK
M.V.P. I Am
strikes, Javy – we want you to do well…
Ill take solo HRs from Javier. 4 pitch walks, and lack of control, on the other hand….
On that walk to Quentin Javy was just trying to be too fine. His mechanics looked good there but he was trying to paint too many corners.
I think my doing so well is really, really, really ticking people off here. No?
yes it is austin.
i dont know why tho
i am glad hes doing good.
If the Yankees were to sit Mark Teixeira out in April and just start him in May, would he hit in May like it was April or would he hit like it was May?
Can I be honest w/ what I see w/ Javy…he’s nervous.
Looks like a blowout in the making.
BATTER VS. PITCHER (Career)
vs Javier Vazquez
Player AB H HR BB SO AVG
Vizquel 15 8 0 3 1 .533
Jones 51 20 5 5 7 .392
Konerko 10 3 1 0 2 .300
Pierre 27 8 0 2 4 .296
Rios 31 9 0 3 8 .290
BATTER VS. PITCHER (Career)
vs John Danks
Player AB H HR BB SO AVG
Teixeira 6 3 0 0 0 .500
Cano 4 2 1 1 1 .500
Posada 6 3 1 2 1 .500
Swisher 5 2 0 2 1 .400
Jeter 10 3 0 0 1 .300
The umpire got the call right! Shocking, that it was against us!
Come on blue!
ahhh all because javy threw a wild pitch or thats a routine dp
Nobody really cares Austin.
Get back to us in June. Maybe we will care about you then.
John Sterling has just been AWFUL so far today. He just can’t broadcast games anymore.
He misses the entire game.
ahhh…never mind.
They made sure to get that call right.
That pitch was a strike
Top of the first inning Trenton against Portland Sea Puppies.
Krum single
adamds RBI double, picked off of 2nd base
Romine strikes out (12 game hitting streak)
Laird grounds out to pitcher
1-0 Trenton
Bleich pitching for Trenton
walk
single, should have been an error by Snyder at shortstop
ground out to 1st base. runners advance
single RBI, runner to 3rd base
sac fly to deep center, RBI
single, runner to 3rd base
walk
single to 3rd base, RBI
strike out
trenton losing 3-1
It is safe to say that it is time to cut the tie with Vazquez, for good this time.
GI Joe whoop his a..
If the others starters hadn’t been as good as they have (11-1 combined) I wonder if we would even be making as big of a deal about Javy as we are.
Cant even get a cheap call from the HP ump to help him out.
“No need to analyze this to death -
& yet you continue bring it up to get the last word.
SJ?s take makes baseball sense; yours does not.
No need to keep analyzing this, so just move on and do not respond. OK”
YAWN!!! From the twit who needs a diaper change any time I post.
Javy is too tentative. That’s where the walks and nibbling is coming from.
You can’t pitch tentative in the AL. If that continues, he’s going to have a very hard time getting out of this slump.
geeze what happened to javy. In ST his control was great and his breaking pitches were nasty. Hasnt been that way since the season started.
And I hate how they keep mentioning Arod is in a huge slump. It seems like most times he is up he rockets a ball, but always at someone.
This is awful………
Yikes.
thank you pierre…
SJ, he looks nervous, that’s why he was rushing.
I guess the Javy haters are set up for a field day.
Another nightmarish start for Javy. He’s got to find a way to keep his team in the game.
Three 4 pitch walks in 1+ innings.
Time to get Mitre up. He’s still pitching too tentative. A shame.
He’s better than this but, he just can’t seem to shake the tentativeness when it comes to attacking hitters.
Why the name calling. I just agree with SJ and not you.
you guys are nuts about grandy. hes not that good. all you see is hrs. he still bats 140 against leftys
Thank the good lord for Juan Pierre.
Thank you, Juan Pierre.
Honestly, this is a terrible strike zone. It is so tiny – this is going to be a VERY high scoring game. I can’t even believe some of the pitches that are called balls.
Javy needs to throw the ball over the plate, but whenever he’s putting it on the corners it’s getting called a ball. Is he supposed to put them right over the middle?
/sigh
He’s got a good fastball today. He needs to throw it. He’s throwing too much off speed stuff.
He’s mostly staying on top of his fastball. Now he needs to start pitching off of it.
Mike WV
Why cant you leave Trisha alone? It’s obviously your problem, not hers.
Maybe he has a tired shoulder and he’s not telling anyone?
Sheesh……2-0
“Get back to us in June.”
What, that .530 BABIB isn’t going to hold up?
tentative is best way to describe Vazquez.
Dear Javy,
5 out of the 9 Chicago hitters are hitting below .200.
Yes, below .200.
There is no reason to be walking them. Throw strikes, please.
Was he this tentative in the NL? I know you can get away with stuff there that you can’t in the AL, but still…
BABIP, I meant.
well that could of been a lot worse…settle down now javy!!!!
Hey it could have been a lot worse. Maybe this will give him a little confidence.
It could have been worse………..would the throw have beaten the runner?
He rebounded a bit there.
Thats not terrible. Ill take that.
Get out of the inning with minimal damage.
Help Vazquez’s confidence.
CR9,
Don’t have a problem; just disagreed with her on it being an intentional walk.
Way to battle back, JV.
How many number 4′s out there are as good as Vazquez?
Not bad for bases loaded and none out. I wonder if Joe is going to “coach” Javy on the bench?
That wasn’t too bad. No major damage.
I wonder if they could have gotten Quentin out there. At least Javy got out of it with limited damage.
Got out of it with only a run but, he’s still way too tentative.
They just have to tell him to continue to throw fastballs and stop nibbling.
His fastball is good enough to win today. He just has to believe in it.
Three 4 pitch walks to guys will kill any start, let alone this one.
grandy’s arm sucks too
Chien-Ming Wang has possessed the body of Javier Vazquez.
I was surprised he cut the ball off….
So far I think the strike zone is pretty fair …
Get Javy a sports psychiatrist, asap. It’s all in his head at this point.
Wooohoooo!!! California’s back!
Given how that frame opened it’s not a bad result.
But that was a frustrating inning. In prior games Javy really has’t had his fastball to pitch off of because he was constantly getting under it.
Today his fastball looks much better. He’s still not consistent enough with it – but it’s been significantly better.
Despite that he still didn’t use it to attach hitters that inning – especially in the Quentin at bat.
He must stay on top of his pitches and then pitch off of his fastball to attack hitters.
CR9 thanks. You had it right. Don’t even bother taking it futher.
Is anybody watching this game out of the New York market?
Why isn’t Comcast MLB Package airing any day games?
You cannot put lipstick on a pig.
Javy is NOT cut out for this, he should go back to the NL.
He LOOKS so uncomfortable. lets put down the pom poms and speak the truth.
And Jackson is having a fabulous start to his MLB career. If he continues, that will gall me, if he does not, so be it, but NONE of us know what he will turn out to be, and we DO know that Grandy cannot hit lefties.
All in all a bad trade.
Ok SJ take your throne and talk down at anyone and everyone that has less experience( hands on) and knowledge( everyone) then you. Dissent is not allowed.
Please take Vazquez out now!
Put Mitre in before it really gets out of hand!
“Get Javy a sports psychiatrist, asap. It?s all in his head at this point.”
Don’t disagree with you at all. Obviously any nervousness is going to translate into the way he throws.
top of 2nd, trenton
Gorecki homer
vechionacci ground out
Gonzales fly out
Smith double
Snyder ground out
3-2 Trenton losing
I cant believe it (in a good way)!!
After our World Series win last year, this year I finally get to see Saturday games via Directv. Could this season get any better??
JoeyA, I’m watching this out of market but I understand that it’s because of a deal with DirecTV worked out with MLB. I am watching DirecTV Extra Innings.
Even Vazquez’s breaking pitches look flat. The lack of fastball velocity and bite on his breaking pitches worries me more then anything else.
“How many number 4’s out there are as good as Vazquez?”
The way he has pitched this season, many.
The way his true talent would suggest, not many.
Vazquez is god awful. Stop defending the coward
No, Javy wasn’t this tentative in the NL…. hard to understand after the season he had in ’09.. he looks like he has no confidence.
By the way I LOVE John Danks and look forward to seeing him in the Yanks rotation in 2013!
If there’s one thing I’ve noticed about Thames, his bat is certainly quick. He has had a great eye at the plate and has been mashing the ball.
He won’t take the job from Gardner, but he will probably steal some at-bats from Johnson if he can’t seem to turn things around.
Didn’t somebody post on here once that Javy has a better ERA+ in the AL than in the NL? Yet there are still people saying he can’t pitch in the AL?
Don’t let facts get in the way of your argument, okay?
Yawn, with the troll nonsense.
If you are going to put Austin Jackson in the Hall of Fame, can you at least wait until June?
If you think his BAPIP is going to be over .500 all year, you are living in fairy tale land.
The baseball world is filled with guys who get off to hot starts.
Get back to me when he has more than 100 AB’s into his ML career.
“Why isn’t Comcast MLB Package airing any day games?”
Extra Innings has always been blacked out on Sat day games b/c of the Fox games. They showed Extra innings on Sat during April, but I guess their contract calls for the black outs from May 1 on.
Well, that was a cheap strike. Hasnt been called all game.
baseballfab, about the trade. I always maintain that you can never know how a player would have done in another venue (that’s self evident) so there is no way to know how Jackson would have done were he not to have been traded. He could have been traded to a different team and been terrible. I love the guy, don’t get me wrong, but it is impossible to talk about trades and what could have been, IMO, because there is no way of knowing what would have been – if you know what I’m saying.
Taking this to the radio for a few innings – have to run an errand.
GO JAVY! I still believe in you.
Pitching has really been key so far this year!!:
Starters’ ERAs
Pettitte- 2.12 (our number 3 starter?? great job Andy!)
Burnett- 2.43 (great job AJ!)
Sabbathia- 3.12
Hughes- 2.0 (best number 5 in the league!!)
Vazquez- 9.0 (let’s hope he can get it together!)
RP’s ERA’s (hard to use this data due to small sample sizes)
Nevertheless, of note are
Mo- 0.00
Joba- 3.48 (11 outings- one bad, 2 mediocre)
Aceves- 4.15 and coming down (one bad outing- vs Texas)
Starters’ Innings
The starters are really soaking up the innings!
CC- 6.9 avg (even though he had that one game called after 6)
Andy- 6.8
AJ- 6.7
Hughsie- 6.0
(of course, this gives the RP’s less innings than usual, so some may be getting a little stale)
Hits given up
(I always love it when Hits/9 are less than 9)
Team- 161 hits given up in 190 innings- best in AL
(I’d like to see the RP hits stats compared to league!)
CC- 6.5
Andy- 7.4
AJ- 8.4
11.3
Hughsie- 3 (WOW!)
… RP’s
Mo- 3 (“as usual!”)
Joba- 8.7 (not too bad)
Aceves- 8.3 (good- again, his less than preferred ERA due to one bad outing)
Robertson- 18 (eek, not at all like last year. 2 bad outings of 7)
Marte- 7.7 (this is good, his ERA should be better though)
Mitre- 4.2 (only 2 hits given up in 4.1 innings- small sample size!)
BB’s given
71 in 190 innings (3.4/9, last yr 3.6/9)
2nd fewest in the AL, last year they were 11th in the AL.
CC- 3.1
Andy- 2.9
AJ- 2.4 (great!)
Vazquez- 5 (gotta fix this!)
Hughes- 5.5 (ditto!)
..RP’s
Mo- 2 (this guy’s amazing?)
Joba- 2.6 (evidence that he’s not overdoing it trying to pick aim his pitches)
Aceves- 4.2 (his weakness so far this year)
Robertson – 1.8 (that’s pretty good)
Marte- 5.8 (bad!)
Mitre & Logan- too many walks, but small sample size
So, the RP’s aren’t really so bad this year, although Mo is the only one who’s been “lights out!”. The others just have to avoid the bad outing!
how old is this White Sox team? Seems like every Michael Kay comment refers to their age!
Yawn
The great omnipotent SJ has spoken.
We all tremble at your omnipotence.
Mark in Tampa – I have the game on DTV. New contract rules between MLB and DTV.
Leader Board:
Nick: 0.138
Tex: 0.146
Grandy: 0.218
Grandy is making a push to the top!
Trisha, you are absolutely right, with trades you never know.
Hell look at Sparky Lyle and Danny Cater.
You just make your best evaluations, and take your best shot.
Danks can be had today, but Javy has got to start putting up zeroes.
“Don’t let facts get in the way of your argument, okay?”
No, Vazquez has a 110 ERA+ in the NL, 100 in the AL. And, the NL ERA+ includes his rookie year of 69 ERA+ over 32 starts.
Stop with the Vazquez bashing
He’s a Yankees player,you’re a Yankees fan=root for Vazquez
Will finish my mojo food when I return!
wow – what are they doing with this “gamesmanship” – making him change clothes or something?
This is sick!
The umpires are actually going along with this farce, and making Javier change something. If I were Javier, I’d sit in the clubhouse for 30 inutes, and make everyone wait, and cool off Danks.
“How many number 4’s out there are as good as Vazquez?”
I don’t think there are any #9′s as bad as Vazguez right now.
guillen is one crazy man – really…
No need to tremble.
Just not buying your whining. It shows a lack of baseball intelligence and its boring.
The new blackout rules are as follows….
If the Fox game is 4 pm on Saturday, Extra Innings can air the Saturday games beginning at 1 pm. In other words, the game has to preceed the Fox telecast by 3 hours.
The Fox game today is at 3 pm because of the Kentucky Derby.
That’s why the 1 pm games are blacked out on Extra Innings today.
I am curious SJ, why is it ok for your to call Vazquez “tentative” and criticise him, but when other people criticise him you get so mad?
“I have the game on DTV. New contract rules between MLB and DTV.”
But not new rules on cable, evidently. I was hopeful when I was getting the Saturday games in April, but I guess that is the end of that.
I hope someone asks him about this after the game – you can read Joe G’s lips that he doesn’t understand why all this is going on
Really, Ozzie? His glove. His EFFING GLOVE. The guy has given up 2 runs in 2 innings, is having trouble finding the zone, and not hitting above 92. AND HIS GLOVE IS A PROBLEM.
Stay classy, Chicago.
This would be great if instead of making Javier worse, this changed around Javier’s whole season. And he starts by dominating the White Sox the rest of this game.
Why was Eiland on the phone just now?
Ozzie is just messing with Javy since he knows that Javy’s head isn’t quite straight yet. I hope the Yankees pound the Sox into the ground.
I hope Yankee offense can give Javy a win.
It’s not stay classy, Chicago.
It’s stay classy, umpires.
I wouldn’t be surprised to see “the Experience” up some time soon
number 1 prospect for years, starts hot and you tell what till june…ok what ever stick with grandy.
# Mark in Tampa May 1st, 2010 at 1:49 pm
“Don’t let facts get in the way of your argument, okay?”
No, Vazquez has a 110 ERA+ in the NL, 100 in the AL. And, the NL ERA+ includes his rookie year of 69 ERA+ over 32 starts.
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You’re right. I looked it up myself. I was going off memory of what I thought somebody had said, and my memory was wrong.
Two things of note, though:
1. Vazquez is still at least league average in the AL, so to say he can’t pitch at all there isn’t true.
2. He is better than league average in the AL for every team he’s pitched for except….New York.
baseballfab, go look up the stat batting average on balls in play, and then get back to us. Jackson’s is absurdly high, like 130 points above high really, and his strikeout rates are awful. His success isn’t going to last.
guillen is one crazy man
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If he had not involve himself in baseball,
I see him being a serial killer. He has that vibe about him.
Trashing the guy daily, mostly for stuff that happened 6 years ago, and commenting on his pitching today, are two entirely different things.
If you can’t tell the difference, I can’t help you.
After that display of poor gamesmanship, I think every Yankee hitter needs to run through the pitcher’s mound on their way to and from the field and the bases. Preferably while “tasting themselves”.
Lets go Yankees!!!
Sorry a little late
Why does he go from 0-2 to 3-2 every time?
Once again, a Yankee pitcher can’t get somebody out when up 0-2.
Damn Arubans.
Masha Danke Dushi!
STOP. PITCHING. TO. ANDRUW. JONES.
Are you freaking kidding me.
Javy needs to brush some hitters back.
Mitre time
boy oh boy
Another 2 HR game at Yankee Stadium for Andruw. The styling freak, where’s your World Series titles from 1996 and 1999!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
One 2 HR game at the Old Stadium, and at the New Stadium.
Keeps wasting pitches goes from 0-2 to full count too much.
I hate that Dutch guy
Here’s the problem. Vazquez has no put away pitch. He’s terrible. He’s a NL pitcher
“Trashing the guy daily, mostly for stuff that happened 6 years ago, and commenting on his pitching today, are two entirely different things.”
This is actually a superb point, SJ.
What a pathetic loser
Jackson went 5 for 5 last night!
Of course that doesn’t count as it is
1) Too early in the year
2) Lucky hits out performing BABIP standard rates
3) Blah Blah Blah ad nauseum.
Really? I saw some people trashing him for today and you got all mad. That is what is usually known as a “hypocrite.”
Whats killing Vazquez is his fastball, plain and simple. When he hits spots, its 87-89, when he muscles up to 90-92, his pitches are all over the place. That is the reason he is pitching poorly and tentative. Once he irons out his fastball everything else will fall into place.
If you are going to throw something right down the middle on 3-2, throw the same pitch on 0-2, 1-2 or 2-2. I guarantee better results than what just happened.
another great move by cash. javy,grandy,nick j
PS
SJ your point about Javy is spot on, he is paying for 2004.
Is it fair? No, but it is understandable.
Vazquez has no control. His fastball is flying all over the place. Jorge sets up inside and ball flies all the way across the plate.
“Is it fair? No, but it is understandable.”
Stupidity is understandable?
he’s nervous…you can see it.
How long do u give him? 10 starts? He’s awful. Cashman 1 for 3 between him Johnson and CG
Rich, human nature is understandable, and even predictable.
Yankee fans are only getting in his head more.
Seriously. The booing is idiotic.
If Vazquez really is “soft” mentally, then why in the world are we booing him? The people booing are the same morons who are calling him soft.
enough with this bozo, bring in sergio mitre
Who’s trashing him for 04? He stinks now.
Got to get Mitre in soon.
“he’s nervous…you can see it.”
About??
Really all I’ve seen is if Andrew Jones weren’t playing it’d be 1-0
how bout some runs
Hey, the good news is that Vazquez has not raised his ERA at all.
The only way Vazquez leaves the starting rotation is if he goes on the DL. This is Cashman’s guys and they are sticking with him. That being said, I would not be surprised if a DL stint is in his future, due in part to his lack of velocity. If he is healthy though, they are sending him back out there until he gets right.
‘About??’
New York
on another note – why are these Chicago pitchers swinging any anything? They don’t actually look like most of them would be strikes if they just let them go.
Works for me, but quite curious
The offense needs to get something going. If the White Sox could score 4 runs offs of Pettitte yesterday, the Yankees should be able to do the same against Danks today.
“Jackson went 5 for 5 last night!”
Yeah, and Bud Smith threw a no hitter once. Big deal.
http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs.....to-adjust/
I’m really not sure what you aren’t understanding here.
Why isnt Joe Girardi going out there and questioning any of Danks’ clothing, etc.
GB
who’s pitching for Trenton today? Bleich or Phelps
Look at this piece of crap Vasquez. 3 runs in 3 IP.
Yeah, it should be Vasquez/Hughes/Sabathia instead of Hughes/Sabathia/Burnett on normal rest vs. Boston next weekend psssshhhhh!!!
And if Boston goes 0-6/1-5, T.B. and the Yanks 4-1 each including today before next weekend, let’s give Boston a ray of hope by starting Vasquez, the worst Yankee starter and the one all the guys think “We could lose today.”
I guarantee this guy will not be in a Yankee uniform after the trade deadline or this season,
take your pick.
Who cares about 2004..
the loser is paying for pitching like crap in 2010
Love the Gardner.
nice gardy…keep finding ways to get on base
gardy has been playing well.
It’s like CANDYYYYYY!
Another great at-bat by Gardner.
run, gardner — let’s do it
I really enjoy seeing Gardner stealing bases.
Can Gardner get a good jump off Danks?
Color it any way you want, an ERA of 9.00 is dreadful and he’s maintaining that pace today. Javy has now given up more earned runs (23) than Hughes, Pettite and Burnett combined.
I have no problem with people booing him. He’s earning it.
Gardner 7/18 vs. lefties. He’s playing himself into the regular LF.
Come on.
Doing something.
Do anything, save to stand there and watch Vazquez imploding pitch after pitch.
Maybe Jeter should walk and then Gardner can steal third instead of second.
Down by 3; got to be careful – don’t give up out by being thrown out.
He is bothering the pitcher though.
Danks uniform conforms to the rules.
Ozzie is just doing what Billy Martin would have done.
Now at least, the any playoff opponant can’t pull this crap on javy – he should have a conforming glove for the rest of the season
When Ted Williams hit .406 in 1941 his batting average on balls in play was .378. (strike outs can make your BABIP lower than your batting average).
Over the past 50 years these are the five highest BABIP recorded for any player with at least 500 plate appearances:
Rod Carew 1977 – .411
Manny Ramirez 2000 – .408
Jose Hernandez 2002 – .406
Andres Galarraga 1993 – .405
Roberto Clemente 1967 – .405
The only other players to have a BABIP over .400 over the past 50 years are ichiro and david wright.
Austin Jackson’s BABIP – .530
Gardner is doing exactly what he needs to do to show the Yankees he is capable of being a good everyday player.
He is forcing his way into the lineup vs lefties.
Girardi seems non- committal with Javy. He may be thinking ahead with a day off next Thursday by pushing Phil Hughes up to No. 4 and Mitre as the No. 5 until Javy finds himself with some bullpen appearances. Joba is staying right where he is.
Stop the bleeding today by putting Mitre in the game to get him innings.
There’s an old saying:
“Nothing dumbs down a game like Kay”
Come on. Double steal.
Is there a stat for runners on 1st distracting the pitcher enough to walk the next batter?
The Yankees need Javy to get straightened out far more than they need to win this game.
The only way he is going to get right is by pitching.
Must. Score. Here.
Gardner = The weapon
Good news is Danks is not long for this game either. He doesn’t have much today. Time to strike.
uh oh, Mr. Automatic Out is standing in the wings.
“strike outs can make your BABIP lower than your batting average”
How can that be possible since your BA can only go up on balls that you put in play?
Ks would guarantee that your avg would be lower than your BABIP.
Gardner’s going to give the Yankees an interesting free agent dilemma this year if they decide to go after Carl Crawford. If they do sign Crawford, then they’ll have to trade Gardner, right?
Danks doesn’t have great command of that cut fastball. And the cut fastball is his out pitch.
He swung at ball four.
Well. That sure killed THAT rally.
Swish screwed us. He swung at ball 4.
You’d rather he strike out than that.
Suck.
swisher had a walk there…but he didnt want to take it
Anything but a DP.
someone tell me Damon isn’t perfect for this team hitting 2 and DH’ing
swisher just fail. he needs to bunt. he refused to walk, then ruin the inning
the most encouraging thing about AJax lately is not the hits but it’s that he hasn’t k-ed in the last 5-6 games.
At least half of his K’s were called third strikes and he’s been able to consistently square up the ball when he swings at make consistent hard contact.
His babip will correct and trend down but that’s not to say that he can’t maintain a .400babip and if he can and continue to cutdown on the K’s and lower is K rate at the same time then he can have a hell of a year.
that’s horrible baseball. swings at ball 4 twice, one over his head and the next below his knees. causes a dp.
Danks is behind everyone all game long, and we’re just up there swinging. Could have taken the walk….
Terrible terrible at bat.
You swing at ball 4, and then ground into a dp.
Oh and there is no way the runners should not have been going on 3-2.
What the f Joe???
“someone tell me Damon isn’t perfect for this team hitting 2 and DH’ing”
Get over it.
Horrible at bat for Nick. He does that too often. He’s very patient early in the at bat and runs the count in his favor.
And then he winds up over swinging and swinging at the pitchers pitch. He just sits on a pitch and tries to yank it out of the park.
In that situation he needs to keep his swing short and just knock in the run.
Alright! Mark!!
It’s May sucker!
atta boy Tex.
its May, thats all you need to say
Can someone just tear April out of every single calendar that Teixeira owns? While you’re at it, delete the month of April from his cell phone and his home computer.
Johnson isn’t Damon. The top 4 in the lineup is why we dominated. Damon is a huge loss
miss damon yet
Unbelieveable. Tex went from getting no luck to lucky hits! good for him
“Gardner’s going to give the Yankees an interesting free agent dilemma this year if they decide to go after Carl Crawford. If they do sign Crawford, then they’ll have to trade Gardner, right?”
I think they’d at LEAST investigate the proposition of moving Gardner to RF, and Swisher to DH. I know playing RF isn’t the same as LF or CF, but I can’t see them wanting to give away a low cost talent if he’s going to steal 50+ bases and get on base, especially against lefties, if he CAN make the transition.
really – a date changes means that much?
We need a HR badly.
Leader Board:
Nic: 0.138
Tex: 0.157
Grandy: 0.218
Tex is dropping fast.
An ABOMB FROM AROD!!!!! LGA!!!
I want to know what exactly Leiter and Kay are doing, have they heard of doing their jobs before?
Still nothing on the two of the fastests guys on the team not running on a 3-2 count.
Kay is such a moron.
Sheesh, the Yanks offered Damon more money than he got from Detroit. He didn’t take it. What was Cash supposed to do, kidnap him and make him sign a contract?
dammit swish
if someone could just get alex “off the schneid”
damn that’s a LD
and yanks would be winning if not for swisher dp ball
An OPPO HIT FROM CANO!!!!! LGC!!!
right on cue:)
Should have been a huge inning but for Nick not being patient, and Joe not remembering how to manage.
Lets see if Robbie can pick up his manager and rf.
90% of baseball is 50% mental.
A $25 Million singles-hitter
LGR!!!
# iou May 1st, 2010 at 2:20 pm
A $25 Million singles-hitter
$32 Million. Don’t short change my boy Alex.
“How can that be possible since your BA can only go up on balls that you put in play?”
mark-
Thanks for picking that up. I wrote the opposite of what I meant to. Strike outs make your BA lower than your BABIP and home runs do the opposite.
Williams drew so many walks that home runs were always a significant % of his total hits. His BABIP were routinely lower than his BA.
A $32 Million singles-hitter
Dammit… it’s May for Robi too
The DP killed the inning. Why weren’t the runners going?
‘A $32 Million singles-hitter’
That’s $32 singles-hitter w/ a WS ring to you buddy.
it’s ok – great inning for Dank’s pitch count…he’s at 71. I like our chances against the WS bp, too
Get over this Damon crap
1) He had a two year deal and turned it down because Johnny Damon doesn’t take a 40% pay cut… oh cry about it you multi-millionaire
2) then he signs a one year deal for $1 million more than the Yankees for offering per year so screw him
3) he can’t field and has a noodle arm
Still not a word about the terrible job of managing by the two nitwits in the booth.
Game should be tied right now, but Kay and Leiter don’t know that you always run on a 3-2 count with two of the fastests guys on th
It’s an embarrassment that this team has some of the worst broadcasters in the game.
On the radio you can not even listen if you like a game being described to you, and on tv, Kay is a writer who has never learned how to tell a story for the audience.
Just a joke that the best team has the worst announcers.
I would take Singleton over Kay every day of the week, and he’s a former player, that’s how bad Kay is.
Gardner two hits yesterday, scored two runs.
Today, one for one and a run scored.
He is earning his place as a every day player; he brings a different type offensive weapon to our lineup. Also, when on base he puts pressure on both the opponents pitcher and their defense.
I really cant stand Michael Kay.
CB it is IMPOSSIBLE for BABIP to be lower than batting average. At best, with no strikeouts it owuld be the same. Walks and HR affect on-base percentage slugging percentage.
Isn’t there a reason Atlanta gave him up for Melky?
I don’t think Mitre can be any worse than this.
Vazquez is a lost cause.
Batters are too comfortable against Javy. He needs to throw inside more.
“Just a joke that the best team has the worst announcers.”
AMEN!
I could deal with any assortment of our current commentators, if just Kay wasnt involved.
Kay and Leiter are horrible today. Kay says Cano might have missed his pitch when he swings at a high inside fastball out of the zone? Nothing is said on that at bat when he takes the first pitch fastball right down the middle.
Cano popped up leading off the second on the same pitch on a 2-0 count and they say nothing.
Swisher swang at ball 4 on the 3-1 pitch that would have loaded the bases with none out and he then grounds into dbl play killing the inning and nothing is said.
Danks has not been sharp all day as he has been behind and we have let him off the hook by swinging at bad pitches. Cano just swang at ball 3 to end the inning.
We have let him hang around but hopefully his pitch count will get him out of there by the 6th.
Let’s go Javier! Throw one in the Sox dugout, and drill Fozzie in the head!!!
I really cant stand Michael Kay.
Agree with that; don’t understand or see what his exact skill set is. Ego & ?
Don’t get it – must have some photos of someone
Fail
“It is IMPOSSIBLE for BABIP to be lower than batting average.”
Home runs are hits that are not balls in play.
So it’s not impossible, even if you put it in capital letters.
JMK aka The Overshare May 1st, 2010 at 2:26 pm
Isn?t there a reason Atlanta gave him up for Melky?
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Yeah – payroll…they couldn’t afford to pay him.
Darn.
All the positive vibes in the world aren’t helping.
Dying to hear a javy defense
What an awful, awful job by Javy today. He can’t put away hitters once he gets two strikes.
Have to pull him now.
Vazquez historical HR rate in the New Yankee stadium….. YIKES!!!!
Plan B.
When Mark Kotsay tees off against you with two strikes, after AJ Pierzynski gets on, your team has a problem that it needs to deal with.
Just sayin’.
As someone who doesn’t live in the tri-state area and has to rely on MLB Extra Innings, let me just say that there is far, far worse than Kay. He’s not even in the bottom third of bad announcers.
Who boy! That was a flat pitch that hung right over the heart of the plate.
Trade deadline can’t come soon enough.
I’ve had it with pitiful display after pitiful display. This guy is just having an awful season, and there is NO sign of it turning around.
Time to bring in Mitre, Vazquez is a lost cause even against a terrible lineup. Kotsay was something like 1 for his last 32. Cashman’s off season moves haven’t worked out so far.
The problem with Javy is pressure. Javy was a great pitcher in Chicago, that is during the regular season. As soon as any weight is put on those shoulders he crumbles. He cannot take the pressure of NY. Javy should not pitch in the postseason
Mark Kotsay???? Are you f….. kidding me? Get JV out of NY asap!
Javy – the greatest deal Cashman could have made.
Cashman didn’t learn from the first time, so he had to do it again. Wonderful.
There are two keys to winning this game. Getting into BOTH bullpens ASAP.
Javy is mental – off to the gym for me
painful to watch javy right now. Did Mitre and Gaudin have better numbers for us last year? Keep in mind this is the white sox who cant seem to hit right now.
he done, make up a fake injury dl him , call up melancon, put mitre in the starting staff
In certain ways this was Javy’s most disappointing game of the entire season.
Up until today his problems were really mechanical. Today his mechanics were better but the results were still the same.
Poor Javy.
It’s absolutely unreal how many pitches Vazquez hangs right over the plate. He is going to give up 50+ homeruns this season.
you can’t hang a 2-2 curveball when you’ve thrown junk the entire AB.
Don’t know how you could stick with Vazquez here. What a disaster.
Now Javy is just shell shocked. Walking Juan Pierre?
It seems like it’d be worth it to feed Javy to the wolves today, take the loss, and let him work out his problems on the mound. Let the fans boo at him. Let him roast a little in Yankee Stadium.
Also, start finding a new 5th pitcher, because a guaranteed loss every 5 days is no good.
hopefully the island is finally done w/Javy.
the Yanks can put him on the next sub out.
This really isn’t a big lineup and he’s getting pounded. Right now Fenway Friday isn’t looking pretty.
He started off fine in this game. 2 easy outs and then after the homerun he was scared to throw strikes. It’s mostly in his head.
And that’s the ballgame. Vazquez again gives his team no chance to win.
Javy is going to have to thrown more fastballs whether he trusts it or not.
This is a joke. Javy really stinks.
Cashman should be working the phones to get a bag of ball for him.
Tell me how it wouldn’t have been better to have Hughes and Joba in the rotation over this bum.
We have the worst fans in the world.
Guess what, morons? You want him to pitch well and be comfortable so he’s able to do so? THEN DON’T BOO HIM OVER EVERY LITTLE THING.
at least they didnt throw food at javy….
Oh well, Danks had absolutely nothing, and we gave away ABs and outs throughout the game.
Luckily, still got 6 more innings to make the ABs count, against the Danks and the bullpen.
“hopefully the island is finally done w/Javy.
the Yanks can put him on the next sub out.”
+1
A perfect opportunity for Vazquez to prove everybody wrong, and he failed miserably.
Javy needs to pitch the 8th. That’s how the Yankees develop starters.
Demote this guy.
what a comment from proffessor Kay. Vazquez has not been dreadful. really a over 9 ERA what do you call that?????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????
i’m just glancing at the tv as i’m in and out doing stuff, but has vazquez thrown a fastball in the past few innings ?
maybe i have bad timing ,but i haven’t seen one.
what’s posada calling? i’m not seeing vazquez shaking him off.
something must be up with his arm.
very strange.
We may have seen Javy for the last time as a starting pitcher in May.
innings eater. problem is he’s stuffed by the 4th.
“at least they didnt throw food at javy….”
The boos weren’t that awful.
enough with the fragile vasquez psychE, the guy is 31, pitching for 10 + years. GROW UP FRIGGIN LOSER.
Wow, I come home to this? I don’t know what the Yankees do here – they have to fix him somehow. This can not be the same pitcher who had the kind of year he did in the NL. This is not an NL/AL thing – this is a Javy thing.
“We have the worst fans in the world.
Guess what, morons? You want him to pitch well and be comfortable so he’s able to do so? THEN DON’T BOO HIM OVER EVERY LITTLE THING.”
I wouldn’t really call 5 runs, and 3 HR over 3+ innings of work “every little thing”. Javy was miserable today, and has been miserable all year.
Look, Cashman screwed up. Vasquez is mentally damange goods. Even Moron SJ has to admit this guy is done!
randy-
I agree, something is up. His fastball looks 100% different compared to last year.
at what point does he lose his Type A free agent status?
the criteria for that is esoteric, at best, but I know he came into the season a potential Type A after 2010.
“but has vazquez thrown a fastball in the past few innings ?”
didn’t seem like many….i’m thinking more and more that something isn’t right physically with him.
That said, the offense stinks right now………….
skip his turn next time and also send him to scranton. we know from past experience Eiland can’t help anyone. Maybe the pitching coach in AAA can.
There’s no way the Yankees can let him start at Fenway Park next week.
Javy is running out of chances to work out of this funk. He couldn’t pick up a quality start against the Athletics or White Sox, two of the weaker teams in the league. Pretty soon he’s going to have to face the Red Sox, Rays, Orioles, Twins, Phillies, and other good hitting teams.
This is not a reality tv show. We do not get vote people off. It’s not a video game – ah, forget it. Those who get it, get it, those who don’t – well, that’s their issue.
Blake, I think the Yankees need to get this guy checked out. By the way, if Javy isn’t feeling great and he’s not saying anything, then shame on him.
“i’m just glancing at the tv as i’m in and out doing stuff, but has vazquez thrown a fastball in the past few innings ?”
I’m only following it on gameday, but everything is change, change, curveball, change…like you said, something is up with him.
if Yankees stop giving up runs right here, that’s just 1 more than last night.
Vazquez has had some bad luck today but this guy is pathetic. BTW this does not mean he cannot turn it around but this guy is a mental woosie……….
randy -
The little that I saw of his fastball, he once again seems to really be lacking control. He cant seem to place it where he wants to, but this time it wasnt fastballs they were hitting. He tried a curve and missed his spot and I think one of the homers by Jones was an off speed pitch. I think he lack of trust with the fastball is probably the issue and is messing up his game.
“the problem with Javy is pressure. Javy was a great pitcher in Chicago, that is during the regular season. As soon as any weight is put on those shoulders he crumbles. He cannot take the pressure of NY. Javy should not pitch in the postseason”"
You think? The guys body language speaks surrender. He is hunched over, frustrated, and over reacting to pop ups like the one the Jeter just missed catching.
“I agree, something is up. His fastball looks 100% different compared to last year.”
fastball? what fastball?
i never saw one .
I don’t normally pile on a guy for a shaky month, especially when that month is April, but this is bad. We aren’t exactly playing the Sox, Rays, or Angels, not even the Rangers or Tigers. The Chicago White Sox are not a good offensive team, especially at this point.
While I think, at some point this season, Vasquez will find himself and string together a 10-12 win season with a 4.5-5 ERA, which isn’t bad for a player who, IMO, is proving the be the 5th starter on this team, as opposed to 4th (or even 3rd some could argue) he was brought in to be, he doesn’t seem to me like a pitcher I want on the mound in late August/September against division rivals.
Regardless of peoples defending of Javy (early in the season/proven track record/etc.), it is telling when a guy, who needed a good start, couldn’t find a little extra to get it done against a bad offensive club.
Vazquez is throwing <50% fastballs…. no one has the ability to command secondary pitches good enough to get away with that.
RS, you skip him now and you might as well give up on him…..
Donnie. They bood when he walked bases loaded, they bood when he mishandled the ball, which probably had more to do with his new non-broken in glove and it was a hard play, they bood him for everything. And they have been since day 1. Beckett is pitching like garbage and isn’t getting harassed.
The worst thing you can do is jump on the guy while he’s clearly down. Morons.
Vazquez did a poor job today. He just will not pitch off of his fastball.
And if he doesn’t there’s no way he’s going to be successful in the AL.
Today he had a fastball he could have worked off of. Instead he threw too many off speed pitches.
One of the worst things about not pitching off the fastball for Vazquez is that it really hurts his change up.
If you aren’t going to establish your fastball it’s almost impossible to use the change up effectively. You have nothing to change up off of.
And Vazquez’s best single pitch in terms of quality is that change up.
So by not establishing his fastball he is more or less eliminating both the fastball and change up from what the hitter needs to think about.
In turn they can just sit on his curve or slider. And the if he makes any kind of mistake in location or bite with those pitches they are going to get walloped.
and some people don’t get jokes, evidently.
Any chance that Cashman can go down to ATL with Luca Brasi and make the Braves GM(big bandleader) an offer he can’t refuse? Like Javy and Swisher for Jason Heyward?
and can we stop saying “all year” like is been so tremendously long? We are talking about less than 1 month of baseball here…
Betsy,
I hate to suggest a guy is hurt when obviously I have no idea but shoulder soreness would explain his dropping his shoulder and perhaps his aversion to throwing fastballs. Otherwise I don’t understand why he would stick with this backwards pitching when its clearly not working.
Gotta love it. The biggest crowd of the year, besides opening day, goes to see Javy pitch lol
Nice play Jorge
Chris – I don’t boo when I attend games, but let’s not get all high and mighty about those who do. Javy Vazquez is making $10 mm a year to go out there and give up more than a run per inning pitched for 5 starts now. He has effectively given a team with 7 losses in 22 games no chance to win 3 times already this year. He is absolutely horrible and he was absolutely horrible on the road before he came to the Stadium to hear the boos. His performance is indefensible and it has nothing to do with the noises he hears when he is pitching terribly.
randy
A lot less FBs since the 3rd.
Randy-
He threw fastballs, albeit not very good ones. Just pay closer attention next time.
The best one he threw was on the strikeout pitch to Beckham in the 3rd.
Danks is at 70 pitches through 3 innings.
Thornton pitched yesterday, so he won’t be going more than an inning today.
this game is far from over.
Folks, listen to me when I tell you this.
No good can come out of continuing to start Vazquez.
It’s not so much the loss but the mental hit to the team. This team is confident and feeling good about themselves and here comes Vazquez to totally deflate that.
They need to move him out of the rotation.
It looks like Mitre is going to be Vazquez’s caddy. Just like Kennedy, Hughes and Joba needed 2 years ago. He got pounded today by guys hitting .100-.200 I could only imagine what a real lineup will do to him.
‘Any chance that Cashman can go down to ATL with Luca Brasi and make the Braves GM(big bandleader) an offer he can’t refuse? Like Javy and Swisher for Jason Heyward?’
You wish.
hardwired May 1st, 2010 at 2:42 pm
Danks is at 70 pitches through 3 innings.
Thornton pitched yesterday, so he won?t be going more than an inning today.
this game is far from over.
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not to mention the 7 hour half inning here
nice job by alex there to let that roll…lot of guys charge that play when you have no chance at throwing him out.
Blake, what does it mean when a pitcher is “dropping his shoulder”?
No matter what Javy says, the Yankees need to have this guy examined and he’d better tell the truth when they ask if anything is wrong. That said, MRIs don’t show everything. Joba had tendonitis, a mild “injury”, and he still hasn’t found his consistent velocity again. Maybe this is just fatigue from pitching too many innings, but whatever it is, the Yankees have a major problem.
Vazquez threw 8 straight offspeed pitches to Kotsay. And when they’re all offspeed, they’re really not going to fool anybody. Why Posada didn’t call fastballs is bizarre to me. Either that, or Vazquez just shook him off every single time.
The guy’s mentally broken right now, let’s hope it’s not a completely lost season.
By the way, the fans have a right to boo. Especially when Vazquez stinks up the joint. This isn’t Little League, it’s the big leagues and he gets paid more to pitch a single year than most people would make in their entire life.
I think his issue is mechanics + nerves.
Jose Guillen, Adrian Beltre and Andrew Jones are the only players in the ML I see do that constantly.
What a relief.
Listening to Waldman and Sterling are just so much better than Kay.
Look at Andruw Jones, actually trying.
Betsy,
Just means that he has been dragging it and getting under the ball instead of staying on top of his pitches. When your shoulder hurts thats what you do because it hurts less to drop down a little and change from your natural motion. Again I have no idea if thats the case here but it makes sense to me.
So, he “couldn’t find” a little extra? You think he wasn’t trying? You think he doesn’t care?
Look, why does it always have to be, with some of you people, about “psychology” or “character” or whatever.
It is possible to discuss and critique the performance without throwing down the man.
It does seem like the Yankees need to dig a little deeper into what the situation could be. This isn’t good.
I thought he was throwing some fastballs earier, no?
Maybe / probably Vazquez never wanted to be here. Its not like he signed as a free agent. That idiot cashman traded for him.
Good job by Mitre of keeping us in the game!
finally
Andrew Jones looks like he lost 100 pounds. I guess that’s what you look like after steroids.
allright, just 5 runs.
Now offense needs to speak out.
anyone know how long that half inning actually took?
“He tried a curve and missed his spot and I think one of the homers by Jones was an off speed pitch”
if a hitter is just looking off speed, they’re going to hit off speed pitches.
even livan throws fastballs( even if they’re not fast).
you have to throw them to mix in the slop.
somethings up. if i were a pitching coach i’d make him throw a few innings of all fastballs .
a pitcher should be able to be able to get through an inning with out too much damage locating just fastballs. if vazquez can’t do it , that says he needs some sort of rehab or rebuilding of arm strength.
if he’s hiding an injury that would be beyond stupid.
whatever it is, it’s a mystery at this point.
Blake, the Yankees have to have him checked out. This is really unbelievable. I’m not sure what they do with their rotation – it’s so frustrating. I really don’t believe it’s NY.
“”Vasquez will find himself and string together a 10-12 win season with a 4.5-5 ERA, which isn’t bad for a player who, IMO, is proving the be the 5th starter on this team, as opposed to 4th (or even 3rd some could argue) he was brought in to be, he doesn’t seem to me like a pitcher I want on the mound in late August/September against division rivals.”"
Wow, is that the best 11 million dollars for Javy does for us? He should be traded by the deadline.
I think it was pretty obvious that he was nervous out there, as even Josh Thompson pointed out. People are naturally going to bring up psychology issues then because nervousness/nerves etc. is all in a person’s head.
I don’t think it would be a huge insult to skip over Vazquez’s start in Boston. The rest of the rotation is pitching with ERA’s in the 2′s, and Vazquez’s ERA is about triple that. I think it’s an easy decision for Girardi to ask Vazquez to work on some side sessions and let his hot starters stay on normal rest.
“Otherwise I don’t understand why he would stick with this backwards pitching when its clearly not working.”
This is one of the most perplexing things overall. What he’s doing clearly isn’t working at all. Yet he keeps doing it.
Before I thought it was just that he felt his fastball command was so bad the pitch wasn’t there to use.
But it’s very confusing. His fastball looked ok at times in the first and second innings. When he stayed on top he was able to command the pitch low in the zone – which we haven’t seen much of so far this season.
But as the game progressed the fastball because less and less frequent – especially when men got on base.
Good thing the Yanks have an off day so they can skip his next start. If he pitched in Boston he wouldn’t make it out of the 2nd inning.
Like I said, Mitre could do any worse and I am right again.
This is no time to be worrying about Vazquez and being fair to him. We have a world championship to uphold here. He needs to be taken out of the rotation and fast.
You can’t afford to give away games.
Yo Andrew Jones is pissing me off today.
I don’t know, RS. All I know is that the Yankees have a serious problem on their hands. I’m thinking about the rotation long-term and I don’t know what can be done Without Javy in it (or a bad Javy), they are depending on an aging Andy to keep pitching like this and a 23 year old.
Javy’s issues:
Spooked.
Gun shy.
In over his head.
Head case.
Weak-willed.
Take your pick.
I have all the faith in the world in the offense to turn it around. My patience with Vazquez is wearing thin. I usually don’t subscribe to the whole ‘he can’t handle NY’ nonsense concerning players but Vazquez is starting to make me wonder. The biggest problem the Yankees have is that there aren’t any better options to turn to. Mitre stinks, Aceves is not a starter, they have committed to Joba in the bullpen, the free agent options aren’t enticing and its too early to start working the phones for a trade.
CB
Do you think the Yankees will skip Javier’s start at the Fens?
I am a huge Javier supporter, or Yankee supporter for that matter, but I think you cant give away games at the Fens.
Betsy,
I don’t think its NY either. For whatever reason, he’s just not repeating his delivery and he’s not establishing any kind of fastball. I can understand getting hit, I can understand a mechanical funk, I don’t understand the approach and gameplan he is trying to use.
“Vazquez did a poor job today. He just will not pitch off of his fastball.
And if he doesn’t there’s no way he’s going to be successful in the AL.”
i agree totally, but don’t you find it odd that jorge is calling all the off speed stuff ?
i can’t think of any reason to do that.
I am not sure they can put Vazquez back out there for his next turn. He is supposed to be an “innings eater”, yet he hasn’t gone 6 yet, and hasn’t made it out of the 4th twice in a row. Regardless of what his problem is, it is something beyond can’t pitch in NY or AL, or whatever. Even when he was bad in the past, he was better than this. I think they need to start Mitre, let Vazquez come out of the pen on Mitre’s start. It’s worth a shot.
where is grandersons agent pat m. dude disapeared faster than granderson’s batting average
With the way things work in baseball, Javy’s lights-out game just may happen Friday in Fenway.
Things almost never go the way you anticipate in this game (though his starts are starting to look like Guaranteed Loss Day).
We have seen the reincarnation of Ed Whitson.
these abs are very annoying
I don’t see Fenway as having anything to do with it. If the Yankees don’t think Javy can go out there and compete against major league teams for whatever reason (he’s hurt, he’s tired, he’s mechanically just completely off), then maybe you think of skipping him. You don’t skip him because you’re afraid of pitching in Fenway.
No chance will the Yankees start Vazquez in fenway, his start will be skipped.
CB,
right…when he gets guys on base its slider, change, curveball, slider etc…thats what happened with the 2 run homer….you cannot throw slop the entire AB and then hang a curveball in the middle of the plate with a “hit me” sign on it and expect it to end up anywhere but the upper deck.
In his last ten starts in 2004 Vazquez pitched 54 1/3 innings and gave up 45 earned runs (7.45 ERA).
In his four starts this season he’s gone 23 innings and given up 25 earned runs (9.78 ERA).
That’s 14 starts in NY, 5.5 innings per start and a 8.15 ERA
That’s very disconcerting
I’ve got a feeling Mitre pitches really well for us this year..
If the Yankees lose today half of their losses will belong to Javy, its not that he is loosing its the fact tat he doesn’t give he yankees a chance to win…
You cant give away games to the Red Sox, was my point, nor to any other division rival with a chance at winning the division.
Okay, I won’t take blame for this one. I don’t think any amount of Puerto Rican food was going to help the outing. But I will finish eating it just in case it can help out the rest of the game.
I have a lot of ambivalence on this one because I was against bringing Javy back. My calls on who and who might work out haven’t always been the best though so I am always willing to rethink my position. I thought Andy was through and I didn’t think we needed Tex. So there are two I called wrong. However, I do think that there are some players who are swallowed up by the Bronx and swallowed up by pressure. I’m thinking Javy could be one of them. Since I want him to succeed I am more than willing to be calling this one wrong. But I really have trepidation when it comes to Javy.
I am also ambivalent on him starting in fenway. On the one hand, I see that as a possible forumla for nothing but disaster, which obviously isn’t good for him. I believe the Yankees will survive regardless. On the other hand, skipping him might not be good for his confidence and it doesn’t make a good statement on the Yankees’ belief in him.
Girardi needs the wisdom of Solomon on this one. I support whatever he does because I don’t think there is any easy answer.
We need the Miller High Life guy to come in and handle Javy.
Take him away on a hand cart.
“i agree totally, but don’t you find it odd that jorge is calling all the off speed stuff ?”
randy-
I agree. The entire thing is puzzling. Usually Jorge is very good at pushing pitchers out of bad habits and even forcing the issue.
And Vazquez isn’t shaking off much.
I don’t know what’s going on at all. The entire picture makes no sense.
The only reason I can think of Posada not pushing him to throw more fastballs is because he doesn’t think Vazquez can consistently command the pitch and he doesn’t want to push the issue.
But on the flip side what they are doing now isn’t working what so ever.
Andruw Jones is one smooth dutch guy..
LOL
I did, however, totally support Mitre! I believe that will turn out to be a good call.
CR9-
They are most likely going to skip Vazquez next time through the rotation. I don’t think they are going to pitch him in Boston.
And at this point I don’t think it’s a big deal for them to skip him.
Something is wrong and they need to figure out what it is.
Blake, I hope Javy is not scared to pitch……Is he the Nick Johnson of pitchers? If he is aggressive and gets hit, so be it, but this style of pitching is not workable in the majors, AL OR NL.
We just looked at his numbers from the NL, but I wonder if people who saw Javy pitch on a regular basis noticed if he was so tentative; I would love to ask one of the Braves announcers what they saw from him. I know we heard that he became a real pitcher in Atlanta, using all of his pitches, etc…However, is it possible that what they saw as using all his pitches was really a pitcher who refused to use his FB?
“where is grandersons agent pat m. dude disapeared faster than granderson’s batting average”
well, that comment tells all the regulars you’re a moron.
Can we just trade Vazquez back to the Braves for Melky and then get rid of Winn…and let Mitre be the 5th starter and just go from there…I mean Hughes looks like he can handle the 4th starter role easily….I guess we would have to pay some of Vazquez’s salary but oh well….its super early, but most of Cashman’s moves so far this year look terrible….
The CWS lineup is an embarrassment. Vazquez needs to be skipped
Actually it’s just 21 innings in five starts (10.71) and 8.36 for his last 14 starts for NYY.
I’ve also got a feeling that Javy’s next start ‘Velli will be behind the plate…..
It’d be interesting to see what happens if that comes about.
Betsy,
I don’t think he’s scared to pitch, for some reason he’s scared of his fastball right now and you just can’t pitch that way. Something is wrong with him.
I really hope that Girardi bats Gardner 2nd from now on until Johnson hits. Johnson stinks and Swisher doesn’t hit enough to bat there. A lot of guys are lost in this lineup including Granderson.
“”We need the Miller High Life guy to come in and handle Javy.
Take him away on a hand cart.”"
LOL!
I agree. Back to the NL. That is our only out with him: he is an effective NL pitcher and someone in that league will give us more than garbage for him.
CB
Thanks.
I dont think it’s a big deal either. Javier knows he is not performing right now.
All Girardi has to say to him is, that they dont want him to face a team in a bandbox of a ballpark, where pop flies turn into singles, doubles, and home runs.
Im sure Javier wants to get this straightened out more than any of us.
Why do some of you think Mitre is going to be good? He hasn’t been a good pitcher his entire career. Why is that suddenly going to change?
Blake, if that’s the case, I don’t know how the Yankees didn’t spot this. If that’s the case, then he’s a first class dummy for not saying anything……..
Javy got scared of the plate after the Jones HR, he tried to live off the corner with his fastball but he couldn’t locate it so then he went to throwing slop.
His velocity was off in ST, but he could get away with that because it was just ST and most of the time he was probably facing mediocrities or good hitters whose timing wasn’t down yet.
Markintampa –
I had the same exact thought. Flip Mitre and Vazquez. Mitre has looked pretty decent this year, now that he’s further removed from his TJ surgery, and gotten more arm strength. Let Vaz go into the pen for a bit, not necessarily permanent, and figure it out there and in spot work out of the pen. And if/when he get’s better, then transition him back to the rotation (if Mitre lets him).
This is not a totally foreign concept in baseball. And I don’t think you can just keep running Vaz out there. He’s made no progress since his first start.
send Vasquez to the NL West to be an All Star again
You can’t win ‘em all (and in Javier Vazquez’s case, you can’t win any of ‘em).
The booing didn’t sound that bad did it? Hard to tell.
You keep thinking “OK, this is the start when he’ll turn it around” but today it looked like he may have even regressed. I guess they’re going to keep running him out there. His next scheduled start is at Fenway. Historically speaking, that’s not the best place to cure a pitchers ills.
“”Why do some of you think Mitre is going to be good? He hasn’t been a good pitcher his entire career. Why is that suddenly going to change?”"
He is good enough to be a 5th starter on this team which is something that Vazquez, at least up till now, is not.
Anthony somebody journalist is on with Sterling and Waldman, and the scumbag is talking about how this Vazquez is a great story for the paper.
What a scumbag. He dont care about the team or success, he cares about the story.
Says it all about NY reporters.
ozzie guillen must be enjoying this game after the comments he’s made about JV
Javy in the pen? Only as a long man in blow outs……..
No one is saying Mitre is going to be Cy Young. What I am saying is that he can’t be any worse than Vazquez and maybe even better than what Vazquez will give you.
The last two innings since Mitre came in is an example. If Vazquez was still pitching, we’d be down 9-1.
Oh, there ya go. Knew that was the next step:
“next start ‘Velli will be behind the plate.”
It was only a matter of time…
Hey, if it helps, but I thought he already caught Javy once?
“Why do some of you think Mitre is going to be good?”
I don’t think anybody thinks Mitre is going to be lights out, but if he can give 5 innings with less that a 7 ERA, that is a major improvement.
Betsy-
Vazquez was on my fantasy team last year, so I regularly watched him pitch on MLB extra innings. He was literally a completely different pitcher. His fastball was 91-94 and his breaking pitches had bite. The lack of fastball velocity is what is leading me to believe that he is hurting. If he is perfectly healthy and it is not a physical issue, then as people are saying, it is all mental.
It’s Anthony McCarron……
This game isn’t over…Danks is almost to 100 pitches. 4 runs isn’t insurmountable.
Truth, thanks. The Yankees have a lot invested in this guy (and no, I don’t mean $$ – I mean he was counted on to be a huge player in the rotatio) and they need to exhaust every effort to figure Javy out. Send him for a full examination if that’s what it takes….. He has to tell the truth; I would be pretty ticked off if he’s “lying”.
Best laid plans, huh?
I just got home and I see the results were what I expected. I suggested that the Yankees should skip Javy today and everyone said that I was crazy. Looks like Javy proved me to be a genius.
Swishy swinging at Ball 3 on 2-0 again.
“Why do some of you think Mitre is going to be good? He hasn?t been a good pitcher his entire career. Why is that suddenly going to change?”
I think he’s going to be good based on what I saw of him last year and the way he pitched in ST. I factor in the point at which he is in his recovery from TJ surgery and believe he is going to get better. I think he gives the Yanks a lot of options.
“I don’t know what’s going on at all. The entire picture makes no sense.”
cb-
that’s where i’m at with it. i tried different ideas in my head of what could cause him to pitch the way he is and nothing made sense..
i can’t think of an injury where they’d keep having him pitch.
if his velocity is down it won’t get higher if he doesn’t throw a lot of fastballs.
i don’t for a second think it has anything to do with any kind of psychological issues or pressure issues. a pitcher like vazquez could choke like a dog and still throw a good fastball. if he was choking he might not command it , but he could throw it.
if he can’t get a radar gun to show 90 at this point in the season something’s up.
i think that finding out why the velocity isn’t there is the first thing the yankees need to figure out .
Great job Vasquez. You’re lucky the Yanks just came off a World Series victory and you’re making $11.5M. You’re off to a good start towards being in another uniform (probably an N.L. one since you can’t hack it in the A.L.) before or after this season ends.
Poll-time:
If Hughes gives the Yankees at least the bare minimum quality start (6 IP, 3 ER) tomorrow, who do you want to start vs. Boston Fri.5/7?
A) Phil Hughes
B) Javier Vasquez
I choose A)
Vazquez reminds me of the NYY version of Jeff Weaver.
What was the velo on javy’s FB today?
Can’t see the game.
need a big fly here
Absolutely, blake.
Just to clarify about Anthony McCarron: He was asked during his chat in the booth about whether or not Vazquez should start in Boston and he said he thought Vazquez should start in Boston. All he said was that the question of what they should, or will, do with him is a good story — not that it was good for his paper.
OK Trisha,
Fair is fair -
I totally agree with you that Mitre has been progressing very well and will be a plus factor for the NYY this season.
Walk Teixeira.
I am amazed at myself sometimes, too.
Well, look who’s up….It seems to come down to Alex so often….
Very good AB from Tex, he’s really showing some good signs, especially from the right side. Be a nice time for Arod to break out as well.
good at bat tex.
come on alex, just get a pitch and hit it hard, we don’t need a slam, a hit would do nicely.
Josh
I didnt go as in depth as you, but that’s all I was portraying. He didnt say anything along the lines of “I hope Javier gets it turned around. Javier is a great person. The Yankees need Javier to be successful”
All he spoke about was what a great story it will be. Spoken like a…..
This is the Yankees big shot in this game. Can Arod come threw….
In the words of Latroy Hawkins, ‘spring training don’t mean sh*t’. Mitre being good in the spring doesn’t do anything for me. Hes never had an ERA+ over 94, never had an ERA below 4.50, and this is prior to having TJ surgery. Everyone here is complaining that Vazquez is an NL pitcher when Mitre spent his entire career with Chicago and Florida and got shelled!
Mitre is not good. Removing Vazquez for Mitre is replacing awful with horrendous.
wow, that wasn’t a strike.
Thats not a strike
I can’t see the game…. is the strike zone miniscule? That’s nine walks in less than five innings
Not a strike…
Not a strike!
“What was the velo on javy’s FB today?”
Let’s just say that if you were a plane of glass, you’d have felt pretty safe home plate against Javy today.
HP Umpire has been great all game, and then in a key spot, he cheats us.
I was all about bringing Vazquez back after the way I saw him pitch last year. I got in a lot of arguments with people that it was a good trade, and unfortunately he is proving me really wrong right now.
Too bad the ump gave him that 1st pitch. That would of been ball 4
CB, could javy be going thru a dead arm period or is it something else?
Good job by Alex to beat that out.
Get a run on the board.
And let Cano up there to tie the game.
nice hustle by Arod. Hopefully Cano will make that a big play.
Thanks Mike WV.
“Vazquez reminds me of the NYY version of Jeff Weaver.”
I think you may be onto something. Javy pitched in several games where he had two or three really good innings and then folded. It may be that he starts to psyche himself out.
Jeff Weaver pitched really well – out of the Bronx.
As I said, I would like to think that he can be fixed because I want him to succeed; I have serious doubts mainly because I think there is a lot of it that is a reaction to pressure. I don’t know that you fix that.
Michelle
HP Umpires pick and choose their spots to cheat us. They do it well.
Tex take out the difference in that not being a DP.
5th inning. Slow game (
Hopefully Cano doesn’t chase like in his 2 previous at bats.
I really don’t think it has to do with NY; Javy seems to have absolutely no confidence whatsoever.
Vazquez at 1 and probably 4 with a 10 run plus era, Johnson’s hitting below 150 with no power or speed and Granderson is hitting 215 and can’t hit leftys. Why is it so hard in NY. Cashman must feel a little queasy about these moves. And to show how good the Yankees are they’re still 15 and 7 with Tex and Arod subpar so far, scarry if the new guys get going.
He just missed it.
This is as good of a day as any to have a walkoff pie from Burnett. He hasn’t had one to use yet this year.
That’s why I am not sold by Cano’s performance, not yet.
Thinking of Jeff Weaver as a Yankee just makes me want to puke.
Well here’s an idea (or 3):
First get Javy in for evaluation.
Second let Ace come in as a starter.
Third hope you can stretch out Joba so either he becomes the 5th starter and bump up Hughes or use a combo on the 5th day of Ace/Joba/Mitre/Mo?
That Cano ball would have been out of the ballpark if there was no men on base.
“I was all about bringing Vazquez back after the way I saw him pitch last year. I got in a lot of arguments with people that it was a good trade, and unfortunately he is proving me really wrong right now.”
Truth, I admit that I was making my judgment partly based on the way he pitched with the Yanks (not the postseason – I was already discouraged after his second half.) But people kept pointing to arm injuries and saying we should give him a chance, things could have changed. That’s reasonable. Now I’m back to being on the fence.
The other thing is this. I would never think a pitcher could make it based on what he’s done in the NL. Although it’s certainly possible, the numbers don’t automatically translate.
Well for Robi the start of May is not a good one.
That pitch was made to be taken the other way.
‘That’s why I am not sold by Cano’s performance, not yet’
This is why I hate our fan base at times. Cano is playing stellar defense, absolutely mashing the ball, and because he flies out to right against a very good pitcher someone is not sold on him. Get real and go root for the Mets
Danks did a good job against Cano today. They know that Cano will chase pitches and he made sure to throw pitches out of the strike zone and Cano went after them. If pitchers start doing that then Cano will be in trouble again.
jz,
Which is totally fair. He’s been doing a good job hitting solo shots, but times like that are when he needs to really come through.
Jeff Nightmare Weaver!
Really, so Cano hasn’t been coming through? Please – can someone other than Derek and Cano do something, anything? Robby is a man, just one man – he can not do it all by himselef. If his teammates aren’t going to pick him up and contribute, then that’s on them.
“I really don?t think it has to do with NY; Javy seems to have absolutely no confidence whatsoever.”
He obviously was filled with confidence in Atlanta. I think it has everything to do with NY. I will be the happiest camper on earth to find out I’m wrong.
I don’t think Javy is a big game pitcher but I’m not bothered by that because your postseason rotation is 4 at the most and he doesn’t necessarily have to be one of the four.
# waka flocka May 1st, 2010 at 3:25 pm
‘That’s why I am not sold by Cano’s performance, not yet’
This is why I hate our fan base at times. Cano is playing stellar defense, absolutely mashing the ball, and because he flies out to right against a very good pitcher someone is not sold on him. Get real and go root for the Mets
Seriously. You just laugh at people sometimes. Like this is a video game or something.
Weaver for Ted Lilly is one of the worst trades in the last ten years. It also led to trading for Kevin Brown who was worse.
himself…..ugh.
offense getting close to breaking out. just missing a few balls
Or trade for Pavano…again?
OK…TOTALLY KIDDING on that one…must be the Jamesons kicking in.
I’d like too see Hughes start the game in Fenway. That should be qualified as a real test for SP.
Saying “Kevin Brown” in my house is basically saying a curse word.
Sergio tight tooshie Mitre!!
Does this mean that if Robby doesn’t make the olympics every day he’s a failure or subject to question? Really?
What is this, the “what have you done for me lately” club?
Last I looked Robby was raking.
Girardi should leave Mitre in to start the 7th. He is getting people out there is no reason to mess with that.
Sergio!
Let’s go Yankees
video game = vidyagame
I’m not even hungry but not to make a liar out of myself I’m going to go and heat and eat that food.
Ugh.
Michelle
It should depend on what we do offensively this inning. If we get 1 or 2 runs, maybe take him out.
But if we get none, then definitely leave Mitre in.
if if if it came down to it who would be the first starter called up to the bigs, under the impression no one is near ready but indulge me
Leader Board:
Nic: 0.138
Tex: 0.157
Grandy: 0.215
jz166 May 1st, 2010 at 3:29 pm
I’d like too see Hughes start the game in Fenway. That should be qualified as a real test for SP.
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He is on Saturday
Seriously Betsy, do not want to fight with you, but don’t you think that Gardner has been doing something.
I think he has been contributing along with Cano and the Captain.
4 innings to score 3 runs. We can do this.
questioning Cano on this board is the height of moronism….
I think Thames should be the new DH. Johnson can ride the bench lol
should they pinch hit Cervelli if there’s a runners in scoring position situation?
Has a team ever started five hitters who were batting under .200 this late in the regular season? I mean, that’s pathetic. And their up 5-1 now after the two-run homer by Kotsay, who pulled a 2-2 pitch into the second deck in right.
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Trust me, at this rate, even the red sox will blow right by us pretty soon.
The guy just can’t pitch in NY
He has had 5 subpar starts in a row to start the year, 3 of them downright dreadful.
And if he is pitching like this because he ‘put pressure’ on himself to do well because he never wanted to leave, then that doesn’t speak well of his mental makeup anyway.
HUSTLE BY THAMES!!!! GRANDY!!!
Keep it going guys…
Steal!
Gardner needs to get on base and send it to the top of the order.
Leader Board:
Nic: 0.138
Tex: 0.157
Grandy: 0.225
Gardner needs to homer here to show his loser teammates how this is done !
If Javy had to be DL’ed my guess is that Mitre would move into the 5th starters spot and Melancon would get the callup to the ‘pen which would help solidify the ‘pen alot as he’s dealin’ right now.
“Gardner needs to homer here to show his loser teammates how this is done !”
LOL, good one.
win or lose they keep grinding and giving themselves a chance for a big inning, and the chance to come all the way back … something they showed all last year
great sign
That was ball 4.
man, everyone out of the white sox bullpen has an ERA below 2.
Javy’s problems can’t all be mental. Do you really think he couldn’t complete a quality start against the Athletics in Oakland because NY was in his head? He is doing equally bad on the road and at home, and there has hardly been any pressure on him because the Yankees are winning in most of his non-starts (he has never been asked to break a losing streak this year).
BG!
Vazquez should approach the front office and request to be sent down to AAA. They can send him if it’s a mutual decision, right? Or would he still have to clear waivers.
We have three guys on the club who could do a better job: Mitre, Aceves, and Joba. I don’t think Joba is the best option, since he isn’t stretched out any more. Mitre or Aceves should be the man.
I still think Javy can succeed in NY, but something is wrong right now and they need to get that corrected.
gardy!,,,OH NO GRANDY!
gardy!,,,OH NO GRANDY!
OH NO!
OH NO Granderson!!!
DAMN
Noooo… the groin
great curtis hurt his hammy
Oh, no!
Grandy.
oh no
Poor Grandy.
Uh oh, this doesn’t look good at all
uh oh
Can we ask for Jackson back?
Oh great Granderson is hurt….
Gritty!!!Gutty!!!
Hammy for CG
Oh boy. Is this where the injuries start to pile up? First, Jorge gets hit with a pitch and misses a few games. Now Granderson is injured. We can only hope it isn’t serious enough to land him on the DL.
**** That looked bad.
# igotid88 May 1st, 2010 at 3:40 pm
Can we ask for Jackson back?
Can you shut up?
He finally gets on base and then gets hurt. Hopefully it’s not something serious.
not a guy you want to lose for any significant amount of time…
CB
Did you see that? What are your thoughts? HURRY, Im freaking out…
By the end of this wk. Golson has to come up.
Gardner has to run here to stay out of DP
I’d be shocked if he doesn’t go on the DL – that looked bad; I hope he didn’t pop anything like when Phil hurt his hammy
So Cash is 0 for 3 this off yr
Steal one
please!
This game is far from over. At least get Winn home.
“Javy?s problems can?t all be mental. Do you really think he couldn?t complete a quality start against the Athletics in Oakland because NY was in his head? He is doing equally bad on the road and at home, and there has hardly been any pressure on him because the Yankees are winning in most of his non-starts (he has never been asked to break a losing streak this year).”
NY in his head as in playing for the Yankees. I don’t mean playing in front of the home crowd!
And now we appreciate having Thames and Winn as part of our roster. Gardner can easily move to center.
Of course I want Granderson to be okay.
what happened? i’m on gameday and can’t tell
Unbelievable…..
That looked like the groin or calf muscle, I couldn’t see where he pointed.
Number 11!
I’d rather see Curtis than Golson personally
NYPost_Kernan Granderson slipped on the bag as he rounded second, looks like he injured a thigh, total guess on my part #YANKEES
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Where are all the Bret Gardner can’t hit major league pitching experts?
Looks like a big league player to me.
Carl May 1st, 2010 at 3:41 pm
# igotid88 May 1st, 2010 at 3:40 pm
Can we ask for Jackson back?
Can you shut up?
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Why? Don’t make me out to be a troll.
nice job by Gardner….guy is making it hard to not write his name in the lineup.
Gardner!
Yay!!! steal #11
Ozzie is one crazy man
Gardner!!
I don’t even care about the game anymore………..
Gardner has been the best clutch hitter on the team. And that includes Cano. The guy seems to get the job done every single time up there.
El Capitain Clutch reporting to duty
I thought it looked like a hammy.
We won’t know until we know. So let’s not bother speculating.
It’s like the old Kenny Mayne joke:
“he pulled a groin,
hopefully his own.”
base hit ties it…come on Jete.
Carl May 1st, 2010 at 3:41 pm
# igotid88 May 1st, 2010 at 3:40 pm
Can we ask for Jackson back?
Can you shut up?
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Some people just can’t stand the awesomeness of austin jackson.
‘I’d rather see Curtis than Golson personally’
Curtis is on the DL…Golson is the better fielder.
Gardner has been the best clutch hitter on the team. And that includes Cano. The guy seems to get the job done every single time up there.
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If only tex and granderson could learn something from Gardner.
It’s going to take a great effort to beat the Yankees at home this year. They just grind pitchers into dust.
I’m eating this food as we speak. I would like a shout out if the Yankees come back and pull this out!
RS, whenever I refer to someone being unable to play in the Bronx, I don’t mean just in front of the home crowd. That is my euphemism for playing for the Yankees.
Looked like an ankle or calf. If it were a hammy or groin wouldn’t he be grabbing his leg? I didn’t see him grab his leg.
Back within 1!
Good fighting back!
Swishy with the oppo to tie it!
Gardner’s an able center fielder. Everyone should just relax a bit.
swisher RBI ahead
Swish!!!!!!
SWISH!!!!
SWishaaa
see, I called it.
SWISHY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Swishalicious!
I WANT MY SHOUT OUT RIGHT NOW!
SWISHLIOUSSSSSSSSSSSSS
EAT IT GUILLEN
You don’t leave the game in pain and play the next couple of days. Hopefully he doesn’t need to go on the shelf, but they might just put him on there to be safe.
I really want those experts who have the incredible eye to analyze swings and put down Gardner constantly to come explain how Gardner is hitting over .300 and in the middle of every rally.
swishy!
Hey, blake, what did we say about the game not being over?
Take that, OZZIE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Wanna get in the head of JAVY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Moral of the story for Ozzie Guillen: Don’t screw with Nick Swisher.
WHOOOO HOOOO
that takes a bit of the Vasquez sting out
Swisher says, “how you like me now Ozzie?”
thanks guys.
this game is ugly, but it’s time to grit one out. these are the kind of games that give you a 10 game lead in august.
the stats might not really matter in april/may but wins and losses do.
Swishalicious!!!!!
God forgive me, but, I kept yelling, “STRETCH!! STRETCH!!
SHOUT OUT TO TRISHA!!!!!!!!!!!!!
SWISHALICIOUS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Javy better buy Nick a drink.
At least Vazquez doesn’t need to stare at the number 4 under the loss column anymore. Great fight by the offense to get them back into it. Great job by Mitre as well, who in all honesty, should get the start in place of Vazquez at Fenway next week.
lol @ Joba
lol at joba
Swish just delivered a big facial to Guillen with that homer. Couldn’t happen to a nicer guy.
I’m so making an animation of that
“Hey, blake, what did we say about the game not being over?”
I think we said it wasn’t didn’t we.
Yay! (halfheartedly, I admit)..
No, seriously – great job in coming back and thanks to Mitre for giving us a chance to do it.
Curtis, when he got to 3rd, pointed to his left quad.
Harkey barehanded that.
Gardner is the catalyst of all of that!!!!!!!!!!
Brett Gardner IS The Yankees — at least for now.
Gardner is a run scoring machine
Did anyone see JOBA DOBBA DOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Pounding on the plexiglass!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Thank you CR9! You are a true blue friend.
Ozzie Guillen should come with subtitles.
What did Joba do?
Err….closed captioning.
Nice barehanded catch of Swisher’s homerun by the bullpen coach.
Kudos to Mitre for keeping us in the game. Time for the bullpen to shut out the WS.
this all goes back to working Danks over. they didn’t put up many runs, but that was incidental.
this lineup is an absolute nightmare for opposing pitchers.
haha Joba
love him
Joba was banging on the plexiglass in the dugout, yelling and cheering.
I love the guy!
Thanks Mitre for holding the lead.
Betsy
Joba was excited. He must have known it was gone, and was pounding on the plexi glass making funny excited faces!!!!!!!!!!!!
Harkey actually had a better bare-handed catch than that off a Yankee HR last year.
makes sense, considering his hands are as big as a catcher’s mitt.
Joba was in the bullpen, behind the glass, banging on it like “let me outta here.”
Stick a fork in the WS in this game. That was totally emotionally deflating for Chicago.
Looks like Phil will have no bullpen tomorrow….
I wonder if Joe will use MO today, he went the last 2 days…
Oh…….thanks, Trish.
So does Mitre come out for the 7th? He can’t pitch tomorrow anyway, so might as well.
Srsly think Greg Golson is going to get an oppurtunity soon.
I’m betting groin pull w/ Granderson.
Gardner is raking it right now.
I’m sure Robertson and Aceves could go tomorrow….
Quad injuries seem to be the “rage” in MLB this year. Seems like a bunch of players have missed time with them.
How long would a pull groin or hammy take to fully heal?
YankeesInk Granderson really looks like a hamstring injury, and although he made it down the dugout steps, it was with an assist.
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Sey May 1st, 2010 at 3:52 pm
Looks like Phil will have no bullpen tomorrow….
I wonder if Joe will use MO today, he went the last 2 days
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I think he can gives us 7 tomorrow
I concur on Golson.
Anyone notice that every time we play a team with the word “Sox” in its name, we have players getting injured?
I’m betting groin. They are guessing like us.
What in god’s name happen to granderson?
I’m hoping it was that Grandy cramped up, but it looked more substantial than that.
Again, I hope it’s not as serious as Phil’s hamstring; that would be completely devastating.
Carl, Grandy (sob) slipped on 2nd base and it looks like he hurt his hammy pretty badly. Ugh….:mad:
Waldman is saying that the trainer has been talking to Girardi in the dugout for a while, so “it’s more than a cramp.”
Mark- Can’t touch this May 1st, 2010 at 3:54 pm
How long would a pull groin or hammy take to fully heal?
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I’m guessing a month
Come on D-Rob!!
people bash Javy, but if it wasn’t for him, we wouldn’t have this exciting nail biter.
4 to 6 wks, imho
I’ve been through both
the groin was worse (took FOREVER to fully heal)
I don’t like Grandy or any other Yankee being out with an injury but let’s face it, they are 15-7 with almost half the lineup not hitting and are strong enough so that losing one player isn’t going to make that much of a difference as long as the starting pitching remains strong (except for Vazquez, who is a mystery to me right now)
groin pull
“How long would a pull groin or hammy take to fully heal?”
Isn’t that like 5 months?
YankeesInk Shot on press box vidscreen of Yank trainer Donahue talking to Girardi. Face serious, shaking head slightly. You can bet it’s about Grand.
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Curtis was just starting to heat up @ AAA before he got hurt…. If Curtis goes on the DL, he might have gotten the call
Where does our bullpen rank? Dead last?
If the trainer is talking that long, it’s not good………
Grandy pointed to left quad when Thomson came over but may have just been indicating left leg.
Wow, that sounds bad……….forget Grandy for a long time
Don’t worry folks. Our minor league call up replacements are usually very productive.
I hear Golson mentioned already. Maybe Miranda? Maybe someone else?
I wonder if they bring a pitcher up instead.
The reason I thought it was a hammy was because I thought I saw him grab his thigh.
Betsy, to show you what I know about managing, I thought it made sense to keep Mitre in also, especially so he would keep his guys fresh for the rest of the weekend.
I don’t dislike any manager in baseball the way I dislike Guillen. I think he is a walking D-Bag. I apologize for using that language but I can’t think of anything else that describes it better. He is a little jerk with a nasty mouth and he doesn’t care what he says or who it hurt.
One Curtis in, another Curtis out?
maybe they are just discussing whether they should invite dave eiland to dinner after the game with them? Girardi wants to, trainer not so much.
Marte time
http://web.minorleaguebaseball.....pid=449172
He better be the next call up.
walk the 0-2 guy to pitch to the 2-3 guy.
Count on the media asking Girardi what his thoughts are for Mitre in the rotation during the post games presser.
damn is joe gonna bring in Marte?
I wonder, has Michael Kay been laughing like an idiot, like he does much of the time, since the Grandy injury?
Or has he been actually interested in what is wrong with Grandy?
Anybody…
Lets trade for Darnell McDonald
“The replay show he stepped on the second base bag awkwardly.”
Have they considered re-designing the damn bases? Seems like a lot of guys get hurt because of the bases.
Trenton lost 10-3 to Erie.
Bleich had about the ugliest game of his career. Adams with a 2-4 and an RBI double. Romine hit his first AA homer and a 13 game hitting streak. Gorecki with a homer.
Here is the box score
http://web.minorleaguebaseball.....x_eswaax_1
Actually I would bring up a back up catcher who can hit.
We have enough outfield options IMO.
But then what do I know?
I figure the next time I lead a major league team to a world series win I will be able to talk about moves that should or shouldn’t be made and feel totally confident in what I’m suggesting!
GB, thanks. Good for Romine……….this day stinks, though.
If it was the base, then it’s probably the groin…
Golson’s got a sub .300 obp and I don’t think can handle major league pitching…I’d rather see Curtis with that sweet LH swing at YS and Fenway…
Joe just cost us. He put on the lead run on base, for Marte of all people.
wow! just like that!
Stupid move by Girardi. Walk the 0-2 guy and pitch to the 2-3 guy. So stupid.
Overmanaging.
Look at it this way, Golson is better vs lefties than righties.
When has marte been good?
what a freaking mess
“Count on the media asking Girardi what his thoughts are for Mitre in the rotation during the post games presser.”
Steve, I am counting on the media asking Girardi whether or not Javy will make his next start. And then whether he considered leaving in Mitre for the 7th…
Marte didn’t pitch particularly well, but that wouldn’t have been as big of a problem if Dave Robertson wasn’t friggin’ terrible.
Are you kidding me? This pen is so bad right now and Marte stinks.
“We have enough outfield options IMO.”
Who? Randy Winn? the last day he hit a ball square out of the infield it was in SF
wow. thank you regular season damaso marte!!!
Just fought our way back, and lost our centerfielder, least we could get is the win.
Chris S. May 1st, 2010 at 3:58 pm
Where does our bullpen rank? Dead last?
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Never mind.
It must be dead last.
marte and roberston have fail again.
you can’t trust them.
when you can’t get aj out, you s*ck
Why not leave Mitre in since he can’t pitch tomorrow anyway? How deflating is this for the team? Very.
that Trenton team is not far off from clicking….
earlier they were pitching well but only Dave Adams was hitting…now the bats have really come alive but they can’t seem to get a good start out anybody other than Phelps…
“Golson’s got a sub .300 obp and I don’t think can handle major league pitching…I’d rather see Curtis with that sweet LH swing at YS and Fenway…”
COLIN CURTIS IS ON THE DL
People on Red Sox sites are cheeering Granderson going down, along with Austin’s success with the Tigers, spewing racial slurs about Grandy!
red sox –
Starting pitching, questionable
bullpen, solid
offense, solid
yanks –
starting pitching, solid
bullpen, bad
offense, bad
Remember when people wanted Robertson to be the 8th inning man over Joba?
Why was Quentin walked anyway? Righty Righty. Strange.
There was no reason to put the lead run on base…
What genius decided to put the winning run on base? If you can’t trust Drob to get an out with a man on second why is he on the 25 man roster?
well what do you expect from red sox fans?
i cant believe beltre, hall and cameron agreed to go there and play.
This just in – Damon hit a walk off HR to win the game for DET. Good thing we got rid of that guy!
So I just re-tuned in to the game:
What happened to Grandy?????
YankeesInk Granderson announced as having a left groin strain. Going to hospital for MRI.
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Pen cannot hold on. bad sign.
News: LEFT GROIN STRAIN for Granderson. Taken to the hospital for further MRIs
Sey, I was never one of them, though it doesn’t mean I had it right…
Granderson has a left groin pull. He’s been taken to a hospital for an MRI. Not good news.
Told you it was a groin pull.
Robertson hasn’t exactly shown he is reliable. Maybe thats why you pitch to the weaker hitter
grandy has a groin pull according to kay.
I guess that’s at least 15days DL for Granderson.
we didnt get rid of damon. we offered what was fair and he CHOSE not to take it.
how about we not go to Red Sox blogs…they should focus more on their own not so great team
Outside of the playoffs last year has Marte ever gotten it done for us?
Phil Coke is also better than any reliever we have except MO and Sergio
Doesn’t look like such a one-sided trade anymore…
So on a day when Grandy gets hurt, we’re bemoaning the fact that Damon isn’t hear? Like Grandy wasn’t going to have a good year? How nice for Damon – I don’t care. I just want Grandy to be ok.
I guess I could heat up a little more of that food…
Okay I’ll do it, just a little.
http://web.minorleaguebaseball.....pid=449172
Call him up
If the official scorer can choose who wins, can they give marte/robertson the win for the white sox?
Hopefully the genius Gurardi will realize that when he over manages it hurts him. 99% of the time when you walk a guy for no reason it hurts you. When you have a pitcher like Marte who is so unrealiable you can’t put people on base for him. Girardi just gave them the go ahead run. What is Quentin hitting .200 and he walked him? Unreal..
Girardi usually has 6 or 7 of these games every year where he manages a win into a loss or an unnecessary extra innings game.
he should have shown a lil more faith in D Rob and let him go after it to get him going…
Randy will give up a 2 run homer
a little more faith in robertson? Based on what?
At the very worst, we should have the top of our lineup coming up in the 9th inning.
NYPost_Kernan That is a bad injury for anyone but a CF, that could be weeks for Granderson
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“So on a day when Grandy gets hurt, we?re bemoaning the fact that Damon isn?t hear? Like Grandy wasn?t going to have a good year? How nice for Damon ? I don?t care. I just want Grandy to be ok.”
Absolutely on spot.
Who care what Damon did based on who was pitching to him and where he was playing? He didn’t do it for the Yankees, so it doesn’t matter, and nobody can say he WOULD have done it for the Yankees.
Let it go. He opted out. It’s over!
Damon deserves at least a $12 million/year contract.
Come on Robby…. This is the guy he hit that 3 run walkoff last year.
Putting the lead run on is asinine……….and so was taking out Mitre (at least give him the chance to fail first). Girardi has not been good and the pen stinks right now.
Who exactly is available tomorrow? We’d better hope Phil can give us length.
If the Yankees pull this game out, I am claming the win.
If they don’t, I will be sick to my stomach the rest of the night and call myself a total idiot for eating all that food!
so robbie needs another ab to keep his hit streak going
“a little more faith in robertson? Based on what?”
There was no reason to have faith in Farnsworth, Veras, or Edwar Ramirez two years ago but Girardi kept trotting them out there and it worked.
If Marte was pitching lights out, that move might have made sense. But he has not been any better than Robertson lately.
tex’s friend May 1st, 2010 at 4:12 pm
a little more faith in robertson? Based on what?
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The stupidity of putting the winning run on first, and a .200 hitter at the plate.
a little more faith in robertson? Based on what?
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Based on the fact that Girardi brought him in to start the 7th inning.
Betsy – Hughes rules (pleading the Fifth) May 1st, 2010 at 4:13 pm
Putting the lead run on is asinine……….and so was taking out Mitre (at least give him the chance to fail first). Girardi has not been good and the pen stinks right now.
Who exactly is available tomorrow? We’d better hope Phil can give us length.
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Which is why I’m thinking they bring a pitcher up tomorrow.
“Who care what Damon did based on who was pitching to him and where he was playing? ”
You say that as if Damon is some unknown commodity. We watched him for 4 years. We are well aware of what he is capable of. The fact of the matter is that Cash’s off season moves (so far) have not worked out. It would be odd not to keep track of what the other guys are doing.
Great now we will have to see Winn as an everyday player. Granderson could be out for 2 months.
Ball 3 swung through!
lol, funny
“Damon deserves at least a $12 million/year contract.”
Damon wanted more money than he was worth..yes he can swing, but OF here? When no other team was willing to offer his price, yeh..I’d say we were right on this.
Like I said Golson better be the next call up. 24 yrs. old athletic, good arm, speed…and a bit of pop.
Ball 4 and Ball 3 swung right through.
Posada has looked awful lately.
I love the girardi sucks stuff.
we are 15-7.
1. we don’t know how long Grandy will be out
2. we should have faith in any player who stands in for him. We’re Yankee fans, not spoiled crybabies. Why complain about something that’s not a given to happen?
5 or 6 balls thrown in the AB, and strikeout is the result.
Overmanaging, overaggressiveness…
posada swings at ball 4.
is only fitting the only teams that can white sox hitters out is the yankees
how did Posada look on that ab – he’s not been looking so great at the plate these days
Bobby Jenks ready to stick it to Barack?
Laura, that’s not the point. If you want to judge the moves 1 month into the season, go right ahead. Grandy is a very good player and he was going to (or still will) have a very good year. Damon hitting a walk off means it was a bad move to let him go? The Yankees didn’t even let him go; they tried to re-sign him and he didn’t want to at their price. Forget that – that’s over. The point is, on a day when we lose our starting CF for weeks, I am not going to be getting upset because Damon happened to hit a walk off.
‘Great now we will have to see Winn as an everyday player.’
NO WE WON’T.
WE BETTER NOT!
Robertson threw 18 pitches and Marte 5. Joba only threw 5 pitches yesterday.
The only person not available tomorrow at this point is Mitre.
What are you guys talking about?
Po looked AWFUL yesterday; I’m not sure he should be in the lineup – I’d guess his knee is still bothering him.
tex’s friend May 1st, 2010 at 4:18 pm
I love the girardi sucks stuff.
we are 15-7.
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Giradi does not suck but he made a mistake by putting the winning run on base and intentionally walking a .200 hitter
we don’t know how long Grandy will be out
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I’m preparing myself for the worst case scenario.
Thames calm down….
OK LGY, I just asked………..at this point, I would take a mediocre Phil over everyone of these guys.
Why not pinch hit NJ here?
no Granderson, no problem.
key players have to play well, and he’s not one of them.
You mean since he hit the homerun before he got hit by a pitch? (Posada, that is.)
How did Grandy get hurt? Anyone?
We have a lefthander on the bench…
He overmanages everything else…
Short porch in right field…
Thames has only a couple ABs against righties this year…
Look at PUTZ’s glove….It’s the same 3 different colors as Javy.
who gets called up to replace Grandy?
“You say that as if Damon is some unknown commodity. We watched him for 4 years. We are well aware of what he is capable of. The fact of the matter is that Cash?s off season moves (so far) have not worked out. It would be odd not to keep track of what the other guys are doing.”
Right, we watched him need days off because of his ailing knees, or back, or legs. We watched him miss balls in the outfield.
What’s odd about keeping track of what the other guys are doing is some of you actually have yourselves convinced it has any meaning whatsoever. The only meaning it has is to the team where the player is right now, good bad or indifferent.
By the way, Damon was stinking up the joint for a few weeks there. Were you here crowing about how great it was we didn’t have him because of it?
Damon’s gone. There is no way to know what would have happened if he stayed, and that includes whether he hits .100 or is the league MVP. Different town, different park, different circumstances, different everything.
where nick johnson.
giradri on crack.
i love it when he give up free outs
Frustrating game so far, but at least it’s not on Fox.
Joe Buck’s smugness would have been just too much to take.
“Why not pinch hit NJ here?”
I think Thames was like 11 for his last 16 and got a LD off a RHP his last AB..so that’s why.
NJ has no shot against a guy who throws 97 like Putz
Nobody knows what Winn will look at as an everyday player here. Nobody. Why not give the guy a chance to succeed before you declare him a failure?
There’s no reason to bash Javy. The Cash man is to blame for this mess.
I don’t understand what Girardi is doing here. If you can’t pinch hit your left-handed DH against a right-handed pitcher, what is he doing on the roster? Thames crushes lefties, but he looks overmatched against righties. Joe should have pulled the trigger there and tried to get NJ on base in front of Tex with the tying tun on second.
yo pat m you goin to the hospital with your boy granderson
This pen stinks— no way Boston’s and Tampa’s can be as bad as this
“By the way, Damon was stinking up the joint for a few weeks there. Were you here crowing about how great it was we didn’t have him because of it?”
Damon got off to a bad start and turned it around. Matsui has been decent since the start of the season. What has Nick Johnson done other than strikeout, walk and sit out with a bad back? When is Johnson going to turn it around? I’m still waiting……
granderson pulled a groin going around 2nd base on a single, Doreen and hobbled into 3rd base.
Joe Buck’s smugness is tolerable.
It’s the scumbaggery of Michael Kay that is not. He is our home commentator, and he acts like a buffoon
We just saw why Thames never faces righties.
We can now look back at 2009 and call it a magic season. The walk offs, the run the team went on the second half and of course the world series.
But that’s not what the season was like. They had huge challenges to overcome and at many times many people thought things bleak – especially during the first half of the season. Once you win the world series though those difficulties are easy to forget.
The yanks are the best team in baseball but in many ways today is the start of the real baseball season for them.
Javy pitched a very disappointing game, obviously.
Granderson’s injury did not look good – I’d guess he is going to be out for an extended period of time. And unfortunately, they have very little depth in the minors – and by far the best player they could have called up was Collin Curtis – who just went on the DL this week with a high ankel sprain. I don’t have much confidence in Golson at this point in time.
Marte continues to be used in high leverage situations – in fact high leverage situations are being set up for him and he’s still largely inconsistent.
They are going to need to come up with effective solutions. The Rays are a very good, deep team. Not as good as they’ve been playing, but they are good.
Last year the team was able to come up with Cervelli and a host of good young relievers to fill in the gaps.
This year it’s going to be more of a challenge as they guys who are injured or ineffective are the guys they spent some of their depth on.
And there’s no real trade market in May.
Doreen – GTLU Standings, Updates, Calendar & Rules May 1st, 2010 at 4:21 pm
You mean since he hit the homerun before he got hit by a pitch? (Posada, that is.)
How did Grandy get hurt? Anyone?
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Doreen, he tripped on the bag as he was rounding second.
Hughes has to go deep into the game…. not because the pen is tires, but because the pen is awful. Hand it to anyone but MO and you are asking for trouble.
I’ve seen enough of Robertson and NL-Marte too. What they did last year in the postseason was nice, but its a new year.
“This pen stinks— no way Boston’s and Tampa’s can be as bad as this”
We are last in the AL, according to fangraph.
He’s certainly showing no faith in NJ; it’s almost as if Joe has given up on him. Now, maybe NJ is hurt….again.
So far Cashman has gotten the short end of the stick on every move he made in the off season. Hopefully that changes but so far none of them have worked out.
Erin -
Thanks. I’ve been cleaning and stuff adn I missed the whole inning. I came back and it was 7-6 (it was 5-1 when I left) and Granderson is out.
Granderson may heal enough to play in say July, but he’ll be feeling that pull for many, many months.
I feel bad for him.
i like what Ace is doing so far…and I would wait to judge signings until the end of the year.
Think about where the Yankees were tihs time last year and where they ended up
“It’s the scumbaggery of Michael Kay that is not. He is our home commentator, and he acts like a buffoon”
I’m listening to Hawk in Chicago and let me tell you – Kay is a God send compared to this fool.
What a terrible day….
Javy does nothing to correct his issues…
Bruins win in overtime with a guy they just get back from injury, Savard…
Grandy goes down and will be out…
Joe continues to overmanage…
Marte continues to struggle…
Laura, I don’t watch the team with a microscope. I don’t watch what every individual player is doing and then celebrate it or lament it. I have always looked at the overall picture and I’m not panic prone. I know Nick Johnson has been on base. I’m not going to worry about what happens from herde. That’s what the Yankees are paid for.
If you have a crystal ball and can call all the shots, I’d advise that you share your information with the Yankees. If you don’t, maybe you need to realize this is a marathon and not a sprint. Just as Johnny had a bad start and turned it around, so can Nick do the same thing.
Sauce for the goose is sauce for the gander.
A good summation, CB – I don’t know what the Yankees are going to do. The pen is mess also; Park is out, Robertson is struggling and Marte is bad. Now we’re going to hear more about how we shouldn’t have traded AJax even though this injury could have happened to anyone. They can’t go with Winn in LF, they can’t, and I’m sure they know that.
random ? but what happened to skippy the ball boy
Laura
Let’s trade.
I despise Hawk as well, but not nearly as much as Kay. This guy is so full of himself, its not even funny.
When Thames came up to bat Kay said because of the Granderson injury Girardi has no one to bat for Thames. So maybe Johnson is hurt. You can’t pinch hit for Winn because then they have no one to play the outfield.
I say we call up Golson, shore up the OF defense.
offense and SP is going to have to carry the rest.
That’s why Robi is here, Jetes, Al and Teix (it’s May)
Back to reality, Mets fans. Pelfrey just turned back into a pumkpin.
Good!
Mets 0-6!
I notice some Yankee ‘fans’ in this board root for Mets too. this is odd.
I wish Mets go 0-162 every season.
Back to reality, Mets fans. Pelfrey just turned back into a pumpkin.
I’m annoyed at Joe…………Should have left Mitre and walking the lead run? I know – Marte and Robertson didn’t get the job done, but can’t he leave well enough alone?
I’m going to try and remain positive, but losing Grandy is a killer blow.
I love watching Aceves pitch. Decent stuff, better mound makeup than most. He’s as consistent as they come.
If NYY calls up an outfielder, it’ll be between Golson and Winfree. The only thing is that Winfree is mainly a right fielder. Not a real good left fielder in the few times he’s played it. a little better hitter at this point. Golson has close to Gardner-type speed, but has really cut down his strikeouts. Plays all three outfield spots very well.
“I despise Hawk as well, but not nearly as much as Kay. This guy is so full of himself, its not even funny.”
I’d take Kay over Hawk everyday of the week and twice on Sunday.
“i like what Ace is doing so far?and I would wait to judge signings until the end of the year.
Think about where the Yankees were this time last year and where they ended up”
Thank God for rational thinkers. I’m having difficulty believing that any fans are actually starting to give somber analysis to the team on May 1st. Amazing.
Maybe some team in the NL needs an “ace” and they can trade Vazquez there for an outfielder. An outfield of Winn, Gardner and Swish is terrible.
Is there anything more unpredictable in sports than bullpens?
From year to year, you really have no idea how they’re going to shake out.
Last year, D-Rob was a strike out machine.
Look at Boston: Ramon Ramirez and Hideki Okajima both currently have ERAs over 6.
It’s really just a crap shoot.
Uhh……so is Pena playing left field?
Who plays LF? Pena?
that was such a dumb move. winn can’t even get an AB?
So we pinch hit for Winn, who is a switch hitter, and most likely our starting OF tomorrow…..
But not for Thames….
And lose our DH.
CB – you bring up good points, as always. But it’s a long season.
Yes, Vaz has disappointed, and the pen outside of Mo is inconsistent. And Curtis’ injury – a month is not out of the question – doesn’t help. But, the other four starters have been pretty good, and a large part of the lineup has not yet gotten rolling – Tex, Alex, NJ, Swish (though he did homer today).
And don’t forget the injury bug could hit Tampa as well.
The season is very young, and Joe has to use his whole roster.
GB, we may have to give Golson a try. If he or Winn don’t work out, how do the Yankees even make a trade ? Do they really want to dip into their farm system (again) for some mediocre at best LF?
Can Pena play the OF?
I can see a Thames-Johnson DH platoon very easily in the near future.
Why leave Mitre in? He sat for a long time and you already got 3 good innings out of him. Whys end him there for the batters to see him a second time?
It’s sad that our ‘reliable’ relievers like Robertson and Marte are so bad that we are calling for Mitre to pitch another inning…
I think that we might see Pena in left field in the 9th inning.
Well that worked. Just release Johnson already. He either takes a million pitches trying to walk or an easy ground ball.
Leader Board:
Nic: 0.136
Tex: 0.155
What is Girardi doing? He should have just pinch hit Johnson for Thames and been done with it. Now we lost the DH and downgraded the defense in a close game. Makes no sense…
Gardner is due for an inside the park HR.
At least one of Damon or Matsui should have been bought back, its a hard argument to refute.
Yes, Damon and Matsui had injury concerns, but Nick Johnson’s injury history is so much worse it is insane.
Didn’t Nick Johnson start out the season as number 26? Or am I going crazy?
“I?m going to try and remain positive, but losing Grandy is a killer blow.”
Bets, it is definitely going to hurt losing him. But we lost DJ for six weeks at the beginning of the season several years ago and everyone stepped up and got the job done.
I expect the same thing to happen here. Which doesn’t mean that it doesn’t hurt to lose Granderson.
I fully expect the Yankees to be fine and get the job done, though we will feel the loss from time to time (and I’m sure we will have posters remind us anytime someone doesn’t catch a ball in the outfield!
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This would be a bad loss.
They will lose this game.
Or maybe he isn’t.
All of you complaining about Damon/Matsui……………….
STOP!
It was not the Yankees fault or Cashmans…
It was the sole fault of the YANKEE TAX. Think Bud Selig didnt do his job? A tax solely meant for one team. Fairness!
GB7, if it’s about the best OF, it’s Golson. It better be Golson, Golson is even a better defensive OF than Jackson..so I will be shocked if in the next 48 HRs he’s not in the Bronx.
The kid can play LF/CF/RF, has cut the strikeouts down, plays little ball and has some pop, and is hitting LHP…he better be up here.
CB,
That about sums it up.
Girardi has to address the bullpen because they are going to have to lean on it more than they might have if the offense was clicking on all cylinders and they were healthy.
Simply put, you can’t use Robertson and Marte in high leverage situations. They aren’t reliable.
They may have to give Melancon a shot and send Robertson to AAA to get his act together.
If they have to phantom DL Javy to get Mitre in the rotation, bring up Royce Ring and give him a shot in the pen.
I’d lean toward Golston for Granderson (assuming a DL stay) for right now.
Bottom line, its time for the vets to pick it up offensively now.
Johnson? Clearly, Girardi has little confidence in him at this point and its to disagree with that thought. The guy simply can’t hit….at least right now. He’s a mess at the plate.
Just gotta suck it up and work through it. Nothing else you can do this early in the season.
The Yankees haven’t lost yet. You forget that the legendary Bobby Jenks closes games for the White Sox. Relax, they’re 15-7 and will be just fine. Let’s hope Granderson gets better in a hurry and the team can move on from there.
“They will lose this game.”
They already have.
Coming into this game the Yankees were 81-2 when leading after 6 innings, dating back to the beginning of last season.
They are in danger of losing this game after having a 6-5 lead in the top of the seventh…
“Yes, Damon and Matsui had injury concerns, but Nick Johnson’s injury history is so much worse it is insane.”
I could have bought it if they hadn’t been “replaced” with a guy who is injured so much that he has his own personal MRI machine. But for Nick Johnson? At this point, it’s looking like Jermaine Dye might have been a better option.
“CB ? you bring up good points, as always. But it?s a long season.
Yes, Vaz has disappointed, and the pen outside of Mo is inconsistent. And Curtis? injury ? a month is not out of the question ? doesn?t help. But, the other four starters have been pretty good, and a large part of the lineup has not yet gotten rolling ? Tex, Alex, NJ, Swish (though he did homer today).
And don?t forget the injury bug could hit Tampa as well.
The season is very young, and Joe has to use his whole roster.”
Amen, Joe from LI. I think it is far too premature for a preview post mortem! Let’s wait to see how things continue to progress. My guess is that they will progress just fine, thank you.
Loss is on vazquez
Joe from LI-
Part of the point that I was trying to make was about the length of the season. That’s one of the hardest things to comprehend about baseball – the tremendous length of the season.
It is almost always going to test a team and a roster. The yankees are facing their first tests.
And they have the talent, depth and resources to deal with them.
Replacing Granderson is going to be tough. The in house options are limited. Neither Winn nor Thames is an everyday guy. I really wish Collin Curtis hadn’t gotten hurt. They’ll have to figure something out. They’ll likely call up Golson, but he really may not be ready for the bigs.
I have no problem to see they cut the budget. Economy is going to be tougher in the coming years. As a company, they need to prepare.
The Yankees still have a good lineup while Granderson is on the DL.
Al, that’s a good point, but at this point you go with the hot hand. I’m sure Robertson will figure it out at some point, but we’re trying to win a game.
I’m not sure what disturbs me most aside from Grandy’s injury: Joe not pinh hitting with NJ (now, I’m VERY frustrated at him, but unless Nick is hurt – well, I don’t get it), putting the lead run on base or taking Mitre out.
Trish, we have no one to replace Grandy’s production at all. I don’t even remember who we went with to replace Jeter. However, the Rays are so good (and the Sox are good as well, though not as good obviously) that the Yankees can’t afford to be giving games away. Their offense is going to take a major hit and EVERYONE has to step up now. I almost forgot about Javy due to Grandy’s injury, but he’s a major problem as well.
As I said, I’m going to remain as positive as I possibly can, but these are not easy fixes.
Johnson isn’t Damon. Huge mistake by Cashman
Getting the lead and then having Robertson and Marte come in and IMMEDIATELY hand it back just absolutely killed every ounce of momentum we had in this game. Those were 3 lackluster ABs, and everyone looks like they just want to get home and forget this game ever happened. Honestly, I don’t really blame them.
I’m really not looking to start trouble, but I have a question:
what exactly has Granderson done to make anyone think losing him to the DL is going to have such an adverse affect on the Yanks?
Gardner’s D in CF is completely acceptable. In terms of offense, Granderson, sadly, is as close to an auto-out as there is on the Yanks.
I’m not saying I’m glad he may be out, but I’m not stepping out on the ledge either.
Laura May 1st, 2010 at 4:32 pm
“I despise Hawk as well, but not nearly as much as Kay. This guy is so full of himself, its not even funny.”
I’d take Kay over Hawk everyday of the week and twice on Sunday.
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Me too. It’s not even close. Hawk is unbearable.
Granderson has a strain as of now – all you people writing him off until July are way ahead of yourselves.
Does any manager intentionally walk go ahead runs on base with mediocre struggling hitters at the plate more than Girardi? Does any manager do this absurd thing only then to turn the ball over to a lefty reliever who genuinely can’t get anyone out?
i would dl javy, mitre to the 5th spot, bring up melancon.
ace needs to be to pitch in high leverage situations
Who knows if Dave would have or wouldnt have gotten out of it?
Dave gave up one baserunner and recorded 2 outs….
It was just plain stupidity to walk the lead run with the intent of bringing in Marte to face a lefty.
I really hope there aren’t any balls hit to LF in this inning.
This team has no late inning magic anymore
Last year’s team would never get deflated after the pen blew the lead.
It appears that Vazquez just can’t pitch well for Yanks. He certainly had a good year for Atlanta.
But, he’s not throwing as hard as last year. Don’t know if that is part of the problem or not, but it could be. Now we’re gonna play winn every day ? Hope NOT ! To me, he’s in same catagory as Javy when playing in NY. Call up Golson or Winfree and see if they can play here.
SJ, couldn’t agree more. They are going to have to treat the pen like they did last year; they can send D-Rob down, but unfortunately, what do they do with Marte? Can Mitre even go 5 innings at this point ? He’s barely pitched.
I completely agree about the length of the season and that will “save” any team. You look and see 162 games and that’s one thing, but when you play games every day and the months pass by, you realize just how long the season is. It’s a blessing in a way, but a curse if everything goes wrong.
We haven’t had pie all season yet.
the Cabrerra Curse? jk
all is well
Betsy – when u say we have no one to replace grandys production, what year our you talking about? He has produced very little for us this year, next to nothing since week 1 of the season, actually.
If you want to read why Javy is struggling so much, a great article by Frankie Piliere was just posted.
http://mlb.fanhouse.com/2010/0.....ss=twitter
Loss can’t be on Vazquez when you have a one run lead into the 7th and the bullpen flushes it away.
He pitched poorly but, they had a one run lead in the 7th and Marte and Robertson didn’t get the job done.
As far as whining about Damon, the Yankees made the highest offer for him in the marketplace. He turned it down.
What did you want them to do? They offered him more money than he got from Detroit and he turned it down. They can’t force him to take the offer.
Get over it and move on. That’s the way it goes.
Didn’t you all say we have the best bullpen coming into the season?
Are you effin kidding me! WTH is the reason to take Ace out here. This is the most angry I have been all season.
Carlo, so he was in a slump, so what? I guess it’s no big deal to lose Grandy if you think he was going to play like Fred Grandy all year. Since he wasn’t and he’s a terrific player, hell yeah this is a bad loss.
Park injury really hurts too.
Girardi is terrible. King of the over manage
Another necessary pen move here for the vaunted lefty/lefty matchup. This is one where joe brings on Logan, prays he gets Teahen out, so he can say “see, lefty lefty is an advantageous matchup for the pitcher.
Goats: Javy and GI Joe for putting the running run on base, who does that? I will be laughing if Logan gives up a bomb. But the offense will be fine get well soon Granderson.
Newman, Cashman the next better be Greg Golson…THAT’S ALL I’M SAYING
If it’s mechanics, why is not fixed already? Or attempted to have been fixed?
Bets, the fallacy is that Granderson had kind of slipped off lately and the Yankees were still winning.
They brought up Eric Almonte to replace Jeter. The team went on without a hitch, and everyone stepped up and got the job done.
I have no doubt the same thing will happen now.
The changeability of the game has to tell you that people just need to sit back and let things unfold ( I mean all posters). I remember outrage on the forum because Robertson wasn’t being called in at different times that posters thought he should be in. Now posters are ready to give him at least a temporary heave-ho.
It isn’t good to try to make determinations on a day-by-day basis. It just isn’t. Nobody knows the team better than the manager. He makes the calls he thinks are the best ones based on everything he knows. Sometimes they work, sometimes they don’t.
With the strength of this team and the innings that the majority of the starters give, there is nothing to panic about at this point in the season.
Blowhard SJ back again. Please SJ tell us how Cano sucks and should be traded.
A Yankee deficit really brings out the trolls and idiots. You have to believe that their parents are really rethinking that mistake after all these years.
Maybe when Phil faces his first lefty batter tomorrow, Joe will take him out…….
Robertson hasn’t pitched that frequently or that well this year but I’m at a loss for why people are getting all over him for this game.
Yes he game up a double. But then he stabilized the inning and took control of it again. He got two outs and had a hitter up at the plate who was struggling and has difficulties hitting breaking pitches.
The manager decided to put the lead run on base in order to gain some perceived lefty-lefty match up advantage.
That’s not on Robertson. That’s the manager’s decision. Giving up a double isn’t great. But the process of that inning was really remarkable and that’s not something Robertson can affect.
The bottom line is that walking the runner there is just perplexing and extremely risky because Marte’s command this year has been so sketchy. He makes mistakes in the zone over and over and it’s not a surprise he gave up an extra base hit.
95?
considering I have tickets to the Sox/Yanks game on Friday, please don’t start Javy!!!
The gun is 2 miles fast.
Mo was at 93 last night — should have been 91.
95 95 95 97 for logan?!?!?!?!? woah!
Who the hell taught him how to throw 97?
Re: The Damon contract negotiations.
They offered a contract to him which he initially turned down. Once the market didn’t play out the way Damon liked, Detroit offered him a contract for less money. NY could have easily stepped in and matched the Detroit offer or even came up with a better offer of their own. It is all part of the negotiation process. If Cash and NYY really wanted Damon back, they could have gotten him.
“As far as whining about Damon, the Yankees made the highest offer for him in the marketplace. He turned it down.”
Actually, I’m more upset over losing Matsui than losing Damon. I’m simply pointing out that a guy who we could have had is (currently) getting the job done. That’s all.
97 = 95
Phony JMK is back. Right on cue twerp.
Funny, we never see you here when the Yankees are winning. Coincidence?
Its amazing that you are so gutless, you have to steal someone else’s name to post here.
The ultimate internet coward. lol
Jason22,
Excellent story, thanks for posting it.
Really sums up Javy’s troubles.
Trish, the thing is, the Yankees were winning almost solely on their SP. There’s no way their SP can keep this up – they are going to need help from their offense. If they don’t get it, they are not going to win. I think it’s one thing to be positive, another to be realistic. I’m not saying you are not the latter, but things have just gotten a LOT rougher for the Yankees. They have a bad #4 starter right now, a messy pen and a struggling offense…Somehow they will have to survive.
“Park injury really hurts too.”
CR9 – great point. We forget that all of Park’s innings have had to be spread around and that’s more work for the pen.
Let’s go WALK-OFF
Oh boy, all the great Ph.D. disserations on the Johnny Damon contract on coming in now.
I hope you are ready for them.
Who cares about Damon and Matsui they are no longer here, uhhhh…
dissertation
1-11 against Jenks for first 4 hitters
Boone Logan was 94 mph in ATL…he comes to NYY w/ 97 MPH? Is he the first RP that Eiland actually added MPH to?
Again we’ve had no pie this season…
Bobby Jenks is my closer on Erica’s Avengers
He will blow this save just to spite me
Who wants pie? (Said it last year, so have to say it again)
Betsy – my point is that the team was 15-7 with Granderson doing absolutely nothing above replacement level. As I stated earlier, all these comments about him being out for months are jumping the gun. If he is out for several months, sure, tough hole to fill. But if its a few weeks, not a big deal. He’s been terrible for a few weeks already and we have been 15-7 despite him
SJ, what do u think is javy’s issue right now could it be dead arm?
Those gun readings on Logan were legitimate. Gameday had him 95/95/95/95/ 97.
What was good to see about outing by Logan is that he actually went after Teahan there. This is a guy who can throw mid 90s as a lefty.
And in his appearance against the O’s he kept throwing Scott sliders and missing – even on 3-2. – rather than challenging him.
Javy and Yanks need to figure it out. I can’t see Girardi running him out there every 5th day if he continues to pitch badly. He can’t have declined that much from last year to now.
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I like Roberston. Girardi needs to give him a chance to get out of a jam.
missed that one
Time for pie!
Again for anyone who wants to figure out Javy, read this article.
http://mlb.fanhouse.com/2010/0.....ss=twitter
Lets go Yankees…
Clap Clap Clap…
Pie time…..
Lets go Yankees
Clap Clap Clap
Ug Nick just missed it.
So we prbly will lose this gm., My guess everyone swings for the fence.
Tex has gotta start coming thru ( I know he has 2 hits today )
Bets, I think I’m being realistic to think that CC, AJ, Andy and Phil will be able to give the team a lot of innings and the offense will nicely supplement their efforts. I admit I don’t currently have faith in Javy and on days he pitches the pen may be taxed (without Park it makes it worse.) Beyond that I truly am not worried. I seriously make it a point not to worry unless I know there is something to worry about. (I never borrow trouble.) And then, only maybe.
Would love to see our first pie of the year.
“Robertson hasn’t pitched that frequently or that well this year but I’m at a loss for why people are getting all over him for this game.
Yes he game up a double. But then he stabilized the inning and took control of it again. He got two outs and had a hitter up at the plate who was struggling and has difficulties hitting breaking pitches.
The manager decided to put the lead run on base in order to gain some perceived lefty-lefty match up advantage.
That’s not on Robertson. That’s the manager’s decision. Giving up a double isn’t great. But the process of that inning was really remarkable and that’s not something Robertson can affect.
The bottom line is that walking the runner there is just perplexing and extremely risky because Marte’s command this year has been so sketchy. He makes mistakes in the zone over and over and it’s not a surprise he gave up an extra base hit.”
Didn’t understand IBB Queintin either.
“Who cares about Damon and Matsui they are no longer here, uhhhh…”
But at least one of them should be. That’s the point.
I knew it, too early in the season.
Tex looked like he wants to go home early there.
I don’t really understand what Frankie was saying other than that Javy has complicated mechanics that aren’t easy to fix…. It doesn’t sound good as far as getting them fixed this year.
A-Rod, let’s go !~
Can Cano PLEASEEE hit a HR?
alex keeps it alive for RObbie
Thank you A-rod
Unfortunately for Robi it’s May.
guy you want up right here.
We’ve played 7 games at home; is the implication that there is no magic with this team because no pie?
Another stupid move with 2 outs Arod can run for himself.
wow PR
Taking Arod out?? This game better not go into extra innings or we are screwed.
Did Giradi misplace his brain today?
Since when is Alex a bad baserunner?
Bobby Jenks can be had. Sorry Erica, this is one time when I want him to show it!
I don’t get this PR move.
Alex can steal also
otid88 May 1st, 2010 at 4:56 pm
Tex looked like he wants to go home early there.
YEAH, right ( NOT)
A game we should have had.
TERRIBLE LOSS. The Yankees hardly EVER lose games with a seventh inning lead. It’s about as rare as Mo blowing a save.
And Cano fails again.
Good job, Robbie. Why don’t you hit more solo HRs in the 3rd inning tomorrow?
Worst loss of the season, even worse than the Fenway one.
Well here’s hoping the Sux and Rays lose again. And I will now proceed to be sick to my stomach all evening from eating so much of that food and calling myself an idiot for having done so.
Girardi has single handedly lost three games for this team this year with his pen management, That is simply unacceptable and unprecedented and after he almost managed them out of the ALCS last year doing this stuff you’d think he’d adjust. He looks stubborn and stupid right now.
Once again, the great Yankee bullpen made the game.
How do you lose a game you had a lead in the 7th inning at home?
Brutal. We scored 6 runs too
What in the world did Cano swing at. He had a great April but with guys on base he is not the same hitter at all.
“Can Cano PLEASEEE hit a HR?”
That would only happen if the bases was empty.
It’s a loss. Would you rather than lost 10-1 and never had a chance?
Turn the page. There will be other losses. I don’t see this one as terrible, the worst one, or any other thing. It’s a loss.
Well, I can’t think of a worse game all year………if it was just a loss, no problem. However, Javy is a huge problem and Grandy is a big loss (Carlo, it’s still a big loss even for just a few weeks).
The Yanks probably thought their offense would allow Phil some leeway to struggle a bit in games, but that’s not been the case. Now the pen isn’t in great shape either – performance wise. Phil needs to give them some length tomorrow (6 innings) even if it isn’t great.
Very difficult to lose a game where the game winning run was put on base by a strange intentional walk by the manager.
Really bizarre game management.
Javy sucked and the bullpen sucked.
In other words, just another day at the office.
Oh well, lost ourselves a game and a starting CF.
Unnecessary to lose the game, wish Grandy never got on base to get hurt. Rather have lost this game in a blowout fashion than throw the game away and lose Grandy.
This team is pathetic. Thanks for being a moron Girardi.
““Who cares about Damon and Matsui they are no longer here, uhhhh…”
But at least one of them should be. That’s the point.”
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Hindsight is 20/20, and hindsight 1 month into a 6 month season is just stupidity. really no other way to say it.
Um PR for Alex? My brain is going to explode.
This is the second time in less than a week that Girardi has mismanaged an inning that involved Robertson, Marte, and the possibility of an intentional walk.
“How do you lose a game you had a lead in the 7th inning at home?”
The way any other team loses a game when they had the lead in the 7th inning at home. The Yankees didn’t invent the scenario.
Carl C. May 1st, 2010 at 4:58 pm
And Cano fails again.
Good job, Robbie. Why don’t you hit more solo HRs in the 3rd inning tomorrow?
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As difficult as it is to believe with all of the other garbage, you just became the biggest idiot on today’s board.
“It’s a loss. Would you rather than lost 10-1 and never had a chance?”
Yes. Those are much easier to swallow than blowing a lead in the 7th inning.
What was Giradi thinking? Someone please tell me. I really don’t understand why he pinch ran for A-Rod….
# Carl C. May 1st, 2010 at 4:58 pm
And Cano fails again.
Good job, Robbie. Why don’t you hit more solo HRs in the 3rd inning tomorrow?
Please explain how a HR counts more in the 9th than the third !!!
You can’t win every game, but Joe is managing about as bad as you can do right now.
Cash needs to talk to him, because right now he is doing just about everything you can do wrong.
Not running with two fast guys on base on a 3-2 count, pinch hitting at the wrong points, taking pitchers out for no reason, he really has had a terrible first month of the season, that is only been camouflaged by his teams performance.
Betsy, read the article again, you don’t need to understand every point, but watch the highlights, and you will see exactly what he is talking about in terms of his pitches.
The point is, he needs to be skipped, and throw some side sessions until he can straighten himself out somewhat, right now all his pitches are flat, and unless he fixes it, things will not change.
Hughes tommorrow for series win.
Yankees still had 3 innings to score ONE run. We didn’t even face their best reliever (Thorton) today.
The late inning magic just isn’t there this year.
No one can continue to be as hot as Robi has been. Still, you hate to see Putz and Jenks dominate Yankee hitters like they did today.
Just bad pitching by Javy today. That was the story of the game.
Girardi should be proud of himself that he gave the W.Sox the winning run. He intentionally walked 2 guys in the last week and it cost him both times maybe he should stop over managing and let the game play out. He has made some really weird moves so far this season.
57′ Yank May 1st, 2010 at 4:58 pm
otid88 May 1st, 2010 at 4:56 pm
Tex looked like he wants to go home early there.
YEAH, right ( NOT)
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he swung at a ball in the ground and took a strike.
I like Girardi…………….I love Girardi…………
But managers have the illusion of control, and think that they affect their teams winning more than they actually do.
More often that not, a manager loses a game for a team rather than wins it.
“Hindsight is 20/20, and hindsight 1 month into a 6 month season is just stupidity. really no other way to say it.”
Yep.
I think I will leave all of the 20-20 arm chair managing and post mortems to those who apparently feel qualified to do so.
GO ORIOLES!
GO KC!!
GO NATS!!!
May-Day!
May-Day!
May-Day!
“Um PR for Alex? My brain is going to explode.”
Don’t let it do that. Just think of it as another strange managerial move. Nothing new really.
Unless Hughes goes 7 innings, tomorrow’s game is a loss.
Any game where you have to hand the ball to Robertson or Marte is a loss.
This game is in the books. And now ………… for the greatest 2 minutes in all of sports, The Kentucky Derby. Sloppy track at Churchill Downs.
Real simple.
Damaso Marte is garbage.
Girardi is making curiously terrible late inning moves way to often.
Vazquez is a disaster.
There’s your loss in a nutshell. Sounds like a familiar recipe this year in our 8 losses.
Except to say that I think those posters with the biggest problems are any who would question Robby Cano. And I’m not personalizing because I don’t look to see who posts what. I just know I saw Robby questioned a lot today.
Yankees still had 3 innings to score ONE run. We didn’t even face their best reliever (Thorton) today.
The late inning magic just isn’t there this year.
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You fool. You watched the game last night? Thornton was the one giving up runs and took the loss lol.
Marte had 1 good series. The WS
Anyone blaming Cano there is just crazy.
He has carried this team during a period in which Mark Teixeira completely disappeared on his team.
Teixeira has been one of the single worst players in all off baseball this year.
Cano has arguably been the single best offense in all of baseball.
Teixeira meekly strikes out in the 9th and there’s no comment about that.
Cano doesn’t hit a home run and he’s of course raked for that.
And it’s laughable for people to talk about Cano’s solo home runs.
It’s difficult for the 5 hole hitter to hit HR with men on base when the #3 hitter is never getting on base.
“Good job, Robbie. Why don’t you hit more solo HRs in the 3rd inning tomorrow?”
Of all the players to get on you pick Cano? Sad, just sad.
These types of losses are so deflating. To come all the way back and lose anyway and also lose our CF.
Brutal. Thanks Robertson and Javy. Honorable mention Joe G. and the offense.
Ah, jeez. Just read the updates. Tough to lose after taking a lead. What happened at 6-5?
Robertson has been brutal this year Aceves should be the 7th inning guy.
Wow. People are seriously blaming Cano????
Not really worried, you win some, you lose some. Robi will hit some walkoffs this season, today wasn’t his day.
PR move made no sense unless that’s the winning run on 2nd.
Cash and Newman better bring up Greg Golson…they better.
Jason, I will read it again; it’s just that mechanics confuse me a bit, lol. Javy’s issues, if not health-related, are not a quick fix – that’s what I got out of it.
Damon’s first home run of the season was a walk-off for Detroit today. YAY for MPB!
Tex is such a flawed player
At least Ryan Howard shows up before Memorial Day, even fi he can’t hit lefties…
And Granderson’s hurt? What happened?
“The late inning magic just isn?t there this year.”
And it was at this time last year?
Blaming Cano, lol……..if it wasn’t for Cano, the Yankees would be in 3rd place.
arod wasnt on first….
“Damon’s first home run of the season was a walk-off for Detroit today. YAY for MPB!”
Don’t remind us
He could have been doing that for us today!
This is why I think Tex is NOT a great player, but just very good. The Yankees needed him last year while Alex was gone and he was awful. They needed him again this year and he was awful. That said, Alex hasn’t done anything to speak of either – but Tex has hit new lows.
Tex was a .259 career hitter in April before joining the Yankees.
He has been utterly atrocious since joining the Yankees in April. He is hitting almost 120 points below his normal career April average. And his OBP was much higher last April, he had more walks than Ks.
Cano just wanted to see the Derby.
i heard he loves that ‘my old kentucky home’ song.
LoHudYankees Girardi said Grandy is “probably going to be DL’d.”
Kind of sucks that Hughes is pitching behind Javy and pretty much has to pick up the team after a loss everytime, most of the time after the pen was used and we need some innings…
Yanks now 1-4 when Javy pitches. that amounts to have of our total losses.
I haven’t read through the game thread yet, why are people blaming anyone? Is this general frustration or did Cano and/or Tex lose us today’s game?
CB
Substitute the word “A-Rod” for “Cano” in your 5:05 post and it’s like deja vu.
The what have you done for me lately crowd is easier to ignore than address.
Thanks, Erin – unfortunately no surprise as it looked like a bad injury.
Javy should of got the loss. Again with another 3 inning performance. The yanks scored 6 runs against the white sox best starter. Expecting 6 scoreless innings from the bullpen is also a little unfair. Eventually someone will give up a run.
What a waste year for Joba devolopment as a starter too. Atleast Joba had a 3.58era through 110 ip last year.
Oh well, this season is lost. Might as well trade Jeter, Arod, and Tex. NYY will never be champions again. At least we are in the heart of the NFL season……….Oh wait it’s May 1st not October 1st
nevermind.
LoHudYankees No decision on Vazquez, said Girardi, who is more concerned about pen for tomorrow
“Girardi said Grandy is “probably going to be DL’d.”
And Grandy said that Girardi needs to go on the DL.
“Don?t remind us.
He could have been doing that for us today!”
Yeah but the balls he would have dropped in the outfield and the throws he made to the plate that got there as two or more runs plated would have far exceeded the one Yankee run he would have gotten with a homer. If you’re going to remember, remember it all.
Im not concerned about this team.
Joe will figure out the bullpen, and hopefully overmanage less.
Grandy injury is going to hurt, but he can temporarily replaced.
My only hope is, enough games thrown away by Joe, he’ll probably realize that his overmanaging costs us rather than helps us, right?
M, anyone blaming Cano for having a rough day is a fool.
Tex is going to take some deserved criticism if he doesn’t start hitting, but the loss was really a team loss. Javy was awful, Joe was weird and the pen was icky. I could handle all that, but losing Grandy is a big blow.
Phil has quite a test tomorrow because they need innings from him…
igotid88 May 1st, 2010 at 5:03 pm ” He swung at a ball in the ground and took a strike”
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So that means he wants to go home ? Did your parents have any kids that lived ?
Sadly, Joba is at least respectable in the pen. More than you can say for Marte or Robertson.
Take him out of there and we will never win a game that the starter doesn’t go 8 innings.
“Oh well, this season is lost. Might as well trade Jeter, Arod, and Tex. NYY will never be champions again. At least we are in the heart of the NFL season???.Oh wait it?s May 1st not October 1st
nevermind.”
The Yankees are “pathetic”? lol
15-8 is “pathetic”?
Tough crowd.
Funny thing is, a win tomorrow and they win another series.
Not bad for such a “pathetic” team.
“Brutal. Thanks Robertson and Javy. Honorable mention Joe G. and the offense.”
Marte threw an atrocious pitch that got crushed. He missed his spot and the ball was nailed.
How is that on Robertson?
The manager’s entire strategy with two outs and quentin up was to eliminate Robertson from determining the outcome of the inning.
CD May 1st, 2010 at 5:12 pm
Yanks now 1-4 when Javy pitches. that amounts to have of our total losses.
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How many “haves” will it talk to make a whole?
Maybe if Joe hadn’t used so many pitchers he wouldn’t have to be so concerned….
correction: talks = ***takes***
Tn Yankee May 1st, 2010 at 5:13 pm
Oh well, this season is lost. Might as well trade Jeter, Arod, and Tex. NYY will never be champions again. At least we are in the heart of the NFL season……….Oh wait it’s May 1st not October 1st
nevermind.
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Joe is overmanaging like he did periodically at times last year, including a couple of times in the playoffs. I just don’t get some of his moves.
Betsy, losing Granderson is no bigger a blow than losing any other Yankee and maybe less of a blown than losing some.
We lost Arod AND Posada last year and survived. Put it in perspective. I don’t know what about Granderson you are talking about because his run production hadn’t really gotten into full swing. He isn’t gone for the season.
We need Park back ASAP. The offense is also concerning. Tex and Arod need to start hitting HRs. Most of our comeback wins last year were a result of power up and downt the lineup.
This is where they really miss Phil Coke.
I haven’t been following the Tigers. How’s he doing over there?
57′ Yank May 1st, 2010 at 5:15 pm
igotid88 May 1st, 2010 at 5:03 pm ” He swung at a ball in the ground and took a strike”
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So that means he wants to go home ? Did your parents have any kids that lived ?
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What the heck is wrong with you? It’s just an expression. Why is everyone ganging up on me?
Betsy, it’s okay just look at the highlights, you can see the mistakes he is making.
Yes he needs to fix his issues, they need to skip him, if they don’t, it makes no sense to me.
And we couldn’t score 1 run in the last 3 innings. Did we have our chances?
Ever think that Girardi overmanages BECAUSE the bullpen sucks?
Not like last year where Hughes was lock down, Coke was dominant against lefties and was a workhorse, Ace was great, Robertson was lights out, Bruney was effective in stretches, etc.
Remember how he managed the pen when it was Veras, Albaladejo, Tomko, Edwar etc. Same way he is now… when your pen sucks, you have to mix and match.
I had to laugh at this:
RiverAveBlues Yankee fans now have to root for the Royals and Orioles tonight. Too bad it’s not 1980.
Btw, it’s a dumb rule that Robertson is penalized for issuing a walk, run, and ultimately getting a loss because his manager forced him to intentionally walk Quentin.
Jason, I basically get what Javy is doing – but I don’t know what they can do do correct it. Remove him from the rotation? For how many starts? Can Mitre go 5 or 6 innings at this point?
Nothing like a manager’s perspective.
Girardi already over today’s game. He is looking toward the next games. I think he must think this is a marathon and not a sprint?
Hint hint everyone?
“Substitute the word “A-Rod” for “Cano” in your 5:05 post and it’s like deja vu. ”
pat-
I completely agree with you. It’s just amazing.
Cano, Posada and Jeter have kept this team going – and no one more than Cano.
Alex has been ok. He’s clearly still getting his timing down but it’s not like he’s hurt the team.
I just don’t understand how people can watch Teixeira this entire month and give him a pass and then jump on Cano for a single at bat.
Tex has been awful this season. Abyssmal. He has been worse than he was last April.
If you rank pitchers in the AL Vazquez has been at the bottom.
If you rank Teixeira amongst hitters – he is at the bottom.
Tex has been as bad a hitter this year as Vazquez has been a pitcher.
Now Tex will snap out of it. But he did nothing in the 9nth and Cano is the guy getting criticized?
And if Alex didn’t happen to get a hit then he would have been the one that got criticized.
THIS IS BULLS>>>>> They are talking Winn/Thames in LF!!!!!
GREG GOLSON GI JOE! GREG GOLSON!!!!
m,
That is the biggest part of the game that no one is talking about,
We had 3 innings to score 1 run, yet the team looked like it wanted to go home. Were they deflated after rallying in the 6th, only to blow it in the 7th?
Who knows, but the game was far from over even after Marte blew it.
Will someone please ask Joe why he put the winning run on base?
Coke was not dominant; he was anything but……..
Go get Tyler Clippard !
I want Park back. Even if it means we have to be constantly reminded of his YouTube video.
Hughes, Joba, Rivera.
Are you guys thinking someone gets called up?
I would put the AAA guy in LF, Gardner in CF, DH Thames vs. lefties.
And pray for CHoP to hurry back.
Betsy – Hughes rules (pleading the Fifth) May 1st, 2010 at 5:15 pm
M, anyone blaming Cano for having a rough day is a fool.
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Calling these idiots “fools” would seemingly indicate that they have good days and bad days. That’s just not the case with them.
“Can Mitre go 5 or 6 innings at this point?”
Bets I think both Ace and Mitre can spot start any time and that would include going 5 or 6 innings.
It’s Cano’s fault. If he hadn’t been so good so far, people wouldn’t have had their expectations raised and then they wouldn’t have been disappointed. The loser gene has found its way to Cano.
pat m boys granderson texeria both suck
“Did we have our chances?”
Not really. Cano walked in the 7th and Alex’s single were the only 2 baserunners I can think of.
Looks like they will bring up a pitcher instead of outfielder.
GB, lol – true. I just don’t think the word I want to use would be permissable…
Did I ever mention how I hate the IBB?
Hughes is a big boy and is facing an abysmal offensive team. Really not asking a lot for him to go 7 innings. This team swings at everything.
We have Joba/MO available. We just have to make sure no one else touches the ball.
sometimes I can’t tell the trolls from the really negative fans. In honesty I hope they are all trolls and frauds like the fake JMK. However I don’t think they all are.
They need an arm for the pen tomorrow. If they DL Granderson, I bet they bring up an arm for tomorrow and then address the OF spot on Monday by sending a pitcher down.
Brandon-
I think they will call up Golson – but it’s really unlikely he’s going to be able hit big league pitching.
Collin Curtis getting hurt is just a really unfortunate problem now that is even more magnified.
Curtis is much more prepared to step in than Golson.
Trish, I was just thinking that Mitre hasn’t pitched that much – he may not be stretched out. I guess Ace can, though after last year in Minny, I’m not sure I want to go there.
They need another pitcher….If Phil pitches well, fine, but if he doesn’t, they can not keep him out there to get shelled; he’s not a pitcher you let take a beating.
JJ May 1st, 2010 at 5:20 pm
m,
That is the biggest part of the game that no one is talking about,
We had 3 innings to score 1 run, yet the team looked like it wanted to go home
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I think they all wanted to go watch the Kentucky Derby.
Girardi is such a weirdo he is going on and on in his post interview how the bullpen is really short for tomorrow becuase it has been used so much. Well maybe if he didn’t think every batter needed a new pitcher it wouldn’t be used so much. He needs to calm down with the way he uses the bullpen.
Joe May 1st, 2010 at 5:18 pm
Ever think that Girardi overmanages BECAUSE the bullpen sucks?
Not like last year where Hughes was lock down, Coke was dominant against lefties and was a workhorse, Ace was great, Robertson was lights out, Bruney was effective in stretches, etc.
Remember how he managed the pen when it was Veras, Albaladejo, Tomko, Edwar etc. Same way he is now… when your pen sucks, you have to mix and match.
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That is no excuse for putting the winning run on first. Marte and Drob have been equally bad, if DRob can’t get a .200 hitter out with a runner on second, why is he on this team?
Time for Logan to move ahead of Marte
If we’re actually content to play Thames in LF regularly………………….
Joe has already said that Gardy has center and left belongs to Thames and Winn. That’s totally sensible. Get over it if you have a problem with it. Only whine and complain about it if you see it totally falling apart. Don’t start to borrow problems were there are none.
Joe continues to say that he’s nothing thinking about Javy’s start in fenway because he has more immediate things to think about such as tomorrow’ bullpen. It could mean that there’s a shot that Javy’s not going to go. Well, I think at the least it means that we’re not positive Javy WILL go because if Joe had made that decision definitively, he would have said so.
I know, not rocket science.
They have an off day this week, so for one time through, they don’t have to do anything but skip Javy, and hope he can fix his issues in the bullpen. If he continues to struggle in the pen, then Mitre would be the guy when his spot comes up again.
To me they have to do this, you can not pitch him in Boston when he is so messed up at the moment.
Okay, everyone (Brandon) is freaking out about a pitcher coming up. makes sense because the immediate issue is the bullpen. Then after the bullpen recovers a bit (thanks, Javy), send the reliever down and bring up an OF.
Why would he bring up a pitcher w/ BAL being the next home stand?
Thames in LF hurts us, Winn isn’t anything special, don’t even get me started how he has a 25 man roster spot. Make the right decision and get Golson up here damn MORON!
Michelle, that’s just dumb of Joe. He’s the one that used up the pen….
LoHudYankees Swisher talked to Granderson after the injury. Grandy said he didn’t feel a pop and that he felt OK
I can’t believe someone is actually trying to get on Pat M. What a joke. Pat knows as much about baseball as anyone I’ve ever read posting on any yankees blog.
LoHudYankees Swisher talked to Granderson after the injury. Grandy said he didn’t feel a pop and that he felt OK. #Yankees
The one pitcher I don’t worry about is Phil Hughes. The kid is solid as a rock.
Ya know, there really needs to be a rule change. Linebrink was BRUTAL and he gets the W? That’s screwed up.
Conversely, why is Marte on the team if he can’t get a .200 hitter (who is hitting .125 against lefties) out?
Girardi might be overmanaging but its still the relievers’ fault for not executing. Not a tall order to ask a lefty specialist to get out a guy who hits .125 against lefties.
Marte just isin’t getting it done, period.
I love Pat M and I miss his perspective; I think I know why he left – but I just hope it’s temporary. He’s a guy I truly respect; I will fight anyone that gets on his case, lol.
Pat, thanks. I’m glad Grandy didn’t hear a pop (which is what happened to Phil).
Right now..this year.. is when the Yankees need to start playing kids like Russo, Romine, Laird and David Adams in the outfield to see what they can do out there. The bats are getting more ready by the day, even at the AA level.
Hey Javy doesn’t seem too frazzled. He just said he promised everyone he’s going to keep working on it. I actually think it’s a good sign.
By the way, Javy just said he’s working on everything: mechanics, THE MENTAL PART OF THE GAME, everything.
That’s for those of us who feel Javy has more going on than mechanics.
Remember the next time you guys want to trade a young prospect for a name.
If they’re not going to start Vazquez, then he needs to work out of the bullpen. Otherwise he is taking up precious roster space.
Vazquez- “I am working on the mental part of the game”. Oh great….
trisha – OPPC member who sees, hears, and knows all. 28 is on its way!!!!! May 1st, 2010 at 5:27 pm
The one pitcher I don’t worry about is Phil Hughes. The kid is solid as a rock.
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Me neither.
LoHudYankees Vazquez says the booing doesn’t bother him; he understands it. Struggling “is no fun,” he said.
Sounds like Melancon will be up
Medium/High leverage…
Rivera
Joba
Aceves
Logan
Mitre
Low leverage mop up…
Robertson
Marte
Here’s the last part of that tweet from Josh:
Vazquez thought stuff was better. He hit 93.
I think what Joe means is that he doesn’t have a long man considering Mitre and Aceves have had a ton of work the past 3 games or so. Marte is probably off the table too. So if Hughes can’t get out of the 2nd inning, they have nowhere to go.
Joba, MO, Robertson, and Logan are all rested. The other arm is more insurance if Hughes can’t go that deep into the game.
I’m not saying but I’m saying….seeing Damon with pie on his face today, hurts a little.
Joe Torre on NBC derby
Joe May 1st, 2010 at 5:28 pm
Conversely, why is Marte on the team if he can’t get a .200 hitter (who is hitting .125 against lefties) out?
Girardi might be overmanaging but its still the relievers’ fault for not executing. Not a tall order to ask a lefty specialist to get out a guy who hits .125 against lefties.
Marte just isin’t getting it done, period.
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Agreed there is no excuse Marte is simply pitching bad, but there is no excuse for putting the winning run on that is simply horrible managing.
Vazquez has to ‘work’ on the mental part of the game?
What is there to work on exactly?
Logan = Matt Thorton?
And you were comparing Robertson to Daniel Bard.
lol
lol
Let me be clear that I am not worried about Phil, but you always have to plan for contingencies. You can’t assume he’s going 7 – you have to have backup. My point was that IF he struggles tomorrow, he’s not some crap pitcher who you let take a beating; he would come out of the game. I am not suggesting he will struggle tomorrow, but obviously it’s a possibility. He could also come out and be dominant, which would be nice.
For those wanting Mitre to go further today, let’s remember until this past Sunday, he hasn’t pitched in a game since April 9th or so. This week alone, he’s pitched in three games and threw 78 pitches. IMO, Girardi made the correct decision to pull him, but Robertson and Marte let him down today.
Why not bring Melancon up? We need someone to hit the Orioles when they come to town on Monday and really, can he be worse than Robertson?
I guess I have to say that stuff about pie elsewhere doesn’t bother me at all. Not a whit. The past is the past.
I agree about Pat M. To me he is THE most knowledgeable poster on this forum. And he doesn’t shove it down your throat despite that.
Betsy has Pat M left the forum?
Betsy,
If he struggles then Girardi will deal with it. Let’s not get ahead of ourselves with the doom and gloom scenario.
Make Curtis and I could get together to play Guitar Hero to pass the DL time.
What do you think?
I would try Sergie as a 1 inning reliever.
Why not bring Melancon up? We need someone to hit the Orioles when they come to town on Monday and really, can he be worse than Robertson?
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LOL
Why not bring Melancon up?
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May be because he has an ERA of 8.13 in AAA now?
“What is there to work on exactly?”
Not getting frazzled when you give up a home run? Not getting distracted if you have runners on base? Not letting down your focus? There are a lot of things that are mental parts of the game that can be worked on. If you remember, one of both Wang and AJ’s bugaboos had to do with starting to lose it with runners on base. That’s part of the mental aspect of the game. Both got past it.
Craw, good point.
Trish, I don’t know, but something went down a few days ago and I know he was upset. I don’t know if he’ll come back.
Here’s a good Phil interview with Kim. He’s very laid back and almost giddy, lol. Check out his comments about his parents:
http://web.yesnetwork.com/medi.....id=7765015
“Right now..this year.. is when the Yankees need to start playing kids like Russo, Romine, Laird and David Adams in the outfield to see what they can do out there. The bats are getting more ready by the day, even at the AA level.”
Yeah I agree.
‘And you were comparing Robertson to Daniel Bard.
lol
lol’
Sounds just about right, didn’t Bard choke last night too.
Craw, I’m not painting a doom and gloom scenario, but I guess I am jumping the gun. Hopefully he’ll pitch well, the bats will break out and things will look better. I’m crossing my fingers that Grandy is only a 2 week situtation.