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Golson not in Scranton/Wilkes-Barre lineup

Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Misc on May 04, 2010 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

Center fielder Greg Golson is not in the Scranton/Wilkes-Barre Yankees lineup this afternoon against Norfolk. It’s curious that he’s getting a day off because the team doesn’t have another natural center fielder on its roster. Can’t help wondering if he might be in New York tonight.

Jesus Montero is also out of the Triple-A lineup, but it’s a day game after a night game, so keeping the starting catcher on the bench makes sense.

Without Golson in the lineup, Kevin Russo is getting his first outfield start of the season in center.

UPDATE, 12:37 p.m.: Donnie Collins is reporting that Golson is in New York waiting to be activated. My guess is that he’ll take the place of Mark Melancon, but no move has been announced.

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432 Responses to “Golson not in Scranton/Wilkes-Barre lineup”

  1. rover May 4th, 2010 at 12:36 pm

    He’s headed up, my rough guess.

  2. Betsy - Hughes rules (Pleading the Fifth) May 4th, 2010 at 12:37 pm

    I assume this means he’s coming up……..but we’ll find out soon enough.

  3. Erin May 4th, 2010 at 12:38 pm

    My guess is Golson’s probably on his way up.

  4. champ809 May 4th, 2010 at 12:38 pm

    Brandon will be real real happy

  5. MTU(aka GBURL) May 4th, 2010 at 12:38 pm

    Melancon Down, Golson up ?

  6. Shame Spencer May 4th, 2010 at 12:38 pm

    Geez.. I’m definitely not even attempting GTLU today..

  7. upstate kate May 4th, 2010 at 12:39 pm

    ah well Erik, you got closer than the majority of us :)

  8. Betsy - Hughes rules (Pleading the Fifth) May 4th, 2010 at 12:39 pm

    Oy vey – geez Jim “we all know that AJ hates throwing to Jorge Posada” Palmer.

  9. SAS May 4th, 2010 at 12:43 pm

    Thanks Erin.

    Interesting news about Golson. I’ll be interested to see if he’s playing tonight. Makes GTLU more difficult; that’s for sure.

  10. m May 4th, 2010 at 12:44 pm

    Um, Golson’s a catcher?

    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    repost:

    # m May 4th, 2010 at 12:41 pm

    my lord, people. i don’t think betsy said phil was going to pitch to a 5 ERA.

    we’re giddy, but tempering our expectations for the season.

    no one has yet to explain why a turn can’t be skipped for the #4 pitcher. why does it have to be the #5 pitcher. if the pitching day does not fall on the pitcher being skipped’s day, then pitchers have to be pushed up or back anyway.

    i can understand why they might not want to put javy in the 5th slot because it really doesn’t matter and can be ego-bruising inducing.

    but was just curious about the whole gotta be the 5th slot that gets juggled if anyone does.

  11. Bill D May 4th, 2010 at 12:44 pm

    Bigger development than adding a defensive replacement/pinch runner to the roster is that Russo may start seeing time in the outfield.

  12. LGY May 4th, 2010 at 12:44 pm

    Hey LGY

    Here’s your basic reading comprehension lesson for the day….

    “Patrick – I already explained more than once that Phil should stay as the #5 because of innings limits. If you want to take it to it’s unnatural conclusion that I think he’ll pitch to a 5 ERA, be my guest.”

    Don’t challenge anything I post if you can’t even follow along with the comments.

    ————————————–

    I guess you missed the word unnatural in there.

    As in Betsy is not saying at all that Phil will pitch to a 5 ERA.

    You are on pretty unstable ground here when Betsy has said over and over again that Phil will not pitch to a 5 ERA and has been one of his biggest supporters on this board so cut the nonsense.

  13. Erica - always OPPC - Sesame Street Mafia and GTLU supporter May 4th, 2010 at 12:44 pm

    Shame Spencer May 4th, 2010 at 12:38 pm
    Geez.. I?m definitely not even attempting GTLU today..
    ***********

    I have had my submission ready since 11pm last night.

    I am too busy at work so I did it last night. So sad

  14. Betsy - Hughes rules (Pleading the Fifth) May 4th, 2010 at 12:44 pm

    He did sort of take Alex’ side about the whole mound controversy, though – I hope the interview will be posted later as I missed most of it.

  15. Bill D May 4th, 2010 at 12:46 pm

    “no one has yet to explain why a turn can’t be skipped for the #4 pitcher. why does it have to be the #5 pitcher.”

    It was skipped for the #5 pitcher. Right now that guy is Vazquez.

  16. m May 4th, 2010 at 12:46 pm

    re: Romine.

    SJ44,

    Do you have any inkling on how the Yankees view him? It’s nice to hear the buzz, especially since he projects to be good behind the plate. Just wondering what this means for montero?

  17. pat May 4th, 2010 at 12:46 pm

    NickSwisher http://tweetphoto.com/21055911 guess what I’m doing this morning!

  18. MTU(aka GBURL) May 4th, 2010 at 12:46 pm

    Golson can be valuable as a pinch runner and late inning replacement for Thames.

    It also gives Girardi the option to give GGBG a blow, or move him to LF for a day.

  19. Shelley Duncan May 4th, 2010 at 12:46 pm

    anyone got Golson’s minor league numbers? I know he was great in spring, but id like to see his dailies at AAA.

    *forearm smash*

  20. Bob(the original) May 4th, 2010 at 12:47 pm

    So Montero is out of the lineup after a nightgame, so Moeller is catching at AAA today and can’t get called up?

    Does this mean the Yanks aren’t calling up a catcher or is it possible that Montero may in fact be coming up?

    Seems odd the Yanks would go until Friday with just Cervelli, no?

  21. Doreen - GTLU Standings, Updates, Calendar & Rules May 4th, 2010 at 12:47 pm

    Today’s Guess the Line Up is now Open for Business.

    Good luck! :)

    I will accept lineups until 3pm or Twitter, whichever is first.

  22. randy l. May 4th, 2010 at 12:48 pm

    “Again, all of these things are in-bounds, but if you agree with the premise the Yankees ARE a postseason team, it does seem that some of the angst and at times anger is lacking in appropriateness.”

    i would say the biggest threat to making the postseason is the feeling that the post season is inevitable .

    the sudden rash of injuries shows that the team that is put on the field can change rapidly.

    if sabathia, burnett, and teixeira for example all went down for an extended time, the yankees would be scuffling to make the post season.

    but that’s not likely to happen, so any angst and anger i have is not team directed.

    i think it’s safe to say it’s the blog itself that creates the anger and angst.

    the yankees are fine , it’s yankee fans that can tick you off.

  23. upstate kate May 4th, 2010 at 12:48 pm

    hey, it is time, where is Doreen to remind us?

    SS Jeet
    DH Nick the walking man
    1B Tex
    3B Arod
    2B MVP Cano
    RF Swish
    CF GGBG
    LF Thames
    C Cisco Kid

    leaving soon for a couple of days conference, so I wanted to get a winning line up in!
    thanks

  24. Bill D May 4th, 2010 at 12:49 pm

    “anyone got Golson’s minor league numbers?”

    .294 OBP, 4-5 steals. They didn’t bring him up for his bat.

  25. m May 4th, 2010 at 12:49 pm

    Bill D,

    Sorry I wasn’t clearer. I brought this up yesterday and the context of the question is that Phil is and has to be the #5 pitcher because of the IP issue.

    I’m trying to explore the question of “why?”.

  26. Erin May 4th, 2010 at 12:50 pm

    SS Jeter
    DH Johnson
    1B Teixeira
    3B Rodriguez
    2B Cano
    RF Swisher
    LF Thames
    C Cervellli
    CF Gardner

    Thanks!

  27. kd May 4th, 2010 at 12:51 pm

    doreen,

    SS Jeter
    DH N. Johnson
    1B Tex
    3B Arod
    2B Cano
    RF Swish
    CF GGBG
    C Cervelli
    LF Thames

  28. m May 4th, 2010 at 12:51 pm

    Ugga. I can’t stand Rachel Ray.

    And can you imagine if Swisher married her? They’d truly be the most annoying couple in the world. ;)

    Gotta see if I can catch Granderson “on” martha stewart.

  29. Betsy - Hughes rules (Pleading the Fifth) May 4th, 2010 at 12:51 pm

    Thanks, LGY and M. I thought I was making myself perfectly clear, but Patrick also seemed to completely twist my comments. I hope when Phil has a few bad games, he won’t start freaking out and saying how disappointed he is that he’s not the ace he thought he was, lol

  30. Tom B - The Phranchise Starts in 2010 May 4th, 2010 at 12:52 pm

    I think we all know who will be freaking out lol…

  31. Erin May 4th, 2010 at 12:52 pm

    pat May 4th, 2010 at 12:46 pm
    NickSwisher http://tweetphoto.com/21055911 guess what I?m doing this morning!

    ************************

    LOL
    I’ll have to keep an eye out for when that episode will air.

  32. Betsy - Hughes rules (Pleading the Fifth) May 4th, 2010 at 12:53 pm

    M, Ray is like fingernails on a chalkboard; she is so artificially perky, she’s cringeworthy.

  33. Patrick from CT May 4th, 2010 at 12:53 pm

    Bill D May 4th, 2010 at 12:44 pm
    Bigger development than adding a defensive replacement/pinch runner to the roster is that Russo may start seeing time in the outfield.
    ================================================================

    I agree; Russo can hit, Golson not so much…

    Let’s hope Georgie is OK and they don’t have to make a roster move for another catcher…

  34. MTU(aka GBURL) May 4th, 2010 at 12:54 pm

    ss Jeter
    dh nj
    1b tex
    3b Alex
    2b Can Do
    rf swish
    lf Thames
    c Cervelli
    cf GGBG

    Thanks.

  35. Bill D May 4th, 2010 at 12:55 pm

    “Sorry I wasn’t clearer. I brought this up yesterday and the context of the question is that Phil is and has to be the #5 pitcher because of the IP issue.

    I’m trying to explore the question of “why?”.”

    He doesn’t. Doesn’t matter what you call him, his innings, and more importantly his pitch counts, can be managed. The whole 1-5 thing really only matters at the start of the year. Once you get going, it’s really about merit and based on merit, the #5 pitcher is the guy being skipped in Boston this week. Does it mean Hughes isn’t the #5? Well, yes. Does it mean they can’t manage his innings? No way.

  36. blake May 4th, 2010 at 12:55 pm

    Anybody know the details on Pujols’s contract? Does he have a club option after this year or is he a FA after this year?

  37. Rob May 4th, 2010 at 12:56 pm

    It will be nice to see Randy Winn get put back on the bench, where he belongs. The homer yesterday was nice, but I’d rather see Golson get the ABs. Speaking of Winn, Sterling’s call was terrible… I would have rather seen a “It is high… it is far… it is.. Gone with the Winn!” Is that any less terrible?

  38. tex's friend May 4th, 2010 at 12:56 pm

    if golson comes up, what about a catcher?

  39. Patrick from CT May 4th, 2010 at 12:57 pm

    Hi Doreen,
    I was thinking about playing Winn and DH’n Thames but going with this:

    SS Jeter
    DH Johnson
    1B Teixeira
    3B Rodriguez
    2B Cano
    RF Swisher
    LF Thames
    CF Gardner
    C Cervellli

    Thanks,

  40. jennifer May 4th, 2010 at 12:57 pm

    Doesn’t look like Swish will be on this week. Next weeks schedule is not up yet.

  41. Bill D May 4th, 2010 at 12:58 pm

    “I agree; Russo can hit, Golson not so much…”

    True. More than though is that if Russo is to have a futiure with the big club, it’s not going to be as an infielder. Those spots are spoken for for years to come. If he can become an effective outfielder, maybe it becomes possible that he could be the guy who replaces Swisher when his contract is up.

  42. Bob(the original) May 4th, 2010 at 12:58 pm

    blake May 4th, 2010 at 12:55 pm
    Anybody know the details on Pujols’s contract? Does he have a club option after this year or is he a FA after this year?

    ——————————

    http://mlbcontracts.blogspot.com/

  43. MTU(aka GBURL) May 4th, 2010 at 12:58 pm

    Blake-

    Cards have an option on Pujols for 2011.

  44. RayVT May 4th, 2010 at 12:58 pm

    SS Derek Jeter
    RF Nick Swisher
    1B Mark Teixeira
    3B Alex Rodriguez
    2B Robinson Cano
    DH Marcus Thames
    LF Randy Winn
    C Francisco Cervelli
    CF Brett Gardner

  45. Giuseppe Franco May 4th, 2010 at 12:58 pm

    # Bill D May 4th, 2010 at 12:46 pm

    “no one has yet to explain why a turn can’t be skipped for the #4 pitcher. why does it have to be the #5 pitcher.”

    It was skipped for the #5 pitcher. Right now that guy is Vazquez.

    ——————

    Says who? Did Girardi announce this? Or did you decide this on your own?

    Not that it really matters, but Hughes is the #5 starter because he’s the only one in the rotation on an innings limit.

  46. Bob(the original) May 4th, 2010 at 12:59 pm

    tex’s friend May 4th, 2010 at 12:56 pm
    if golson comes up, what about a catcher?

    ———————–

    That’s what I’m wondering. Something is missing here.

  47. Roger(National Memorial Day) May 4th, 2010 at 12:59 pm

    My GTLU for today:

    Jeter SS
    Johnson DH
    Tex 1B
    Rodriguez 3B
    Cano 2B
    Swisher RF
    Thames LF
    Cervelli C
    Gardner CF

    Thanks Doreen

  48. Bronx Jeers May 4th, 2010 at 1:00 pm

    I can’t see Golson getting too many AB’s here.

    Winn will be primary LFer against righties and Golson will take Winn’s spot as late inning replacement.

  49. m May 4th, 2010 at 1:01 pm

    Bill D,

    lol. I was talking more in the physical sense, not the existential sense.

    But I understand.

    They’re going to put Javy back in his regular spot on the next off day situation anyway.

    Will be interesting to see if he’s pitching after Andy or after Phil.

    Phil may have had a late enough start where he can just make his turn week in and week out without exceeding his IP limits. And he’ll probably avg. 5-6 innings rather than 7, so it should work out.

    I would think, too, that later in the season Andy will get a little breather. Perhaps CC, too, if he continues at his current pace.

  50. Patrick May 4th, 2010 at 1:02 pm

    Do you really believe Hughes will finish the season 19-0 with an ERA of 1.44 in 162 innings allowing only 64 hits while striking out 156?

    I said he’d pitch at near the same level for most of the season, not that the results would be the same. ERA and win-loss are heavily based on luck and fielding and really have nothing to do at all with what I’m talking about.

  51. the gay Yankee fan May 4th, 2010 at 1:03 pm

    Jeter SS
    Johnson DH
    Teixiera 1B
    Rodriguez 3B
    Cano 2B
    Thames LF
    Swisher RF
    Cervelli C
    Gardner CF

  52. m May 4th, 2010 at 1:03 pm

    Rob,

    Sorry, I have to disagree. I’d rather see Winn get more at-bats to get going.

    They’ll break Golson in slowly, they’re not just going to hand him the keys to the Bentley.

  53. stuckey May 4th, 2010 at 1:04 pm

    Picking up on the Austin Romine talk from last thread – if this isn’t just a hot streak (well it is, either way), and Romine is truly elevating himself as an elite prospect and could be ready in 2012, then as romantic a notion of Jesus Montero being a Miquel Cabrera type bat at catcher, I’d be just fine with a Montero as an everyday DH, 2nd-3rd catcher and perhaps even occasional 1B.

    I know there are tons of ways to spin it – Montero at catcher, trade Romine for an elite young corner outfielder or starter, or spinning Montero into one or the other, and of course you keep your eyes and mind open to any offers, but if the Yankees have the luxury of perhaps having a defensively high-end replacement to Posada, who can also hit, then I’m for letting these players play to their strengths.

    I know some feel Montero “looses” value as a DH, but if they’re plus at 1B and C for the foreseeable future, I can live with it.

  54. the gay Yankee fan May 4th, 2010 at 1:05 pm

    Gardner is 5th in the AL in batting.

  55. Phil Hughes May 4th, 2010 at 1:05 pm

    Hey Betsy, would you please STFU about me for one day at least?

  56. Doreen - GTLU Standings, Updates, Calendar & Rules May 4th, 2010 at 1:06 pm

    For an at-home day, it’s been hectic here. Anyway, to finish my thought about Hughes – I also think there’s nothing wrong with tempering expectations. The reason I say there’s no real reason to think he can’t pitch like this the whole year is because of last season, how he kept getting better; because he is very mature and businesslike out there; and his own level of confidence (which seems high with the exception of the insistence on having Kim Jones interview him before every start now :) ).

  57. Bill D May 4th, 2010 at 1:06 pm

    “Says who? Did Girardi announce this?”

    No, Vazquez did.

  58. Bronx Jeers May 4th, 2010 at 1:06 pm

    One would think Jorge woke up feeling pretty good.

    And I guess they really didn’t want to make a move to get Moeller on the 40-man.

    Think healthy thoughts Francisco! Buen Salud

  59. Patrick May 4th, 2010 at 1:07 pm

    Golson won’t play much. Pinch runner, emergency outfielder, thats it

  60. m May 4th, 2010 at 1:07 pm

    Why be stuck with a defensive liabilty (especially behind the plate) if you don’t have to? I’m not saying montero can’t catch. But I feel that catcher’s defense should be a priority, even though the bat can be too sexy to resist. :)

  61. Giuseppe Franco May 4th, 2010 at 1:07 pm

    Golson is only there to be a late inning defensive replacement for Thames and PR.

    I doubt very much he’ll get many starts or ABs. Probably about as many as Winn did before the Granderson injury or Pena.

  62. Erin May 4th, 2010 at 1:07 pm

    Patrick from CT May 4th, 2010 at 12:53 pm

    Let?s hope Georgie is OK and they don?t have to make a roster move for another catcher?

    **********************
    This is pure speculation on my part, but I’m kind of thinking they won’t make a move for a catcher. Cervelli will hold the fort down tonight and tomorrow, and Girardi said he expects Posada will be back behind the plate on Friday. Again, just a guess.

  63. stuckey May 4th, 2010 at 1:07 pm

    “maybe it becomes possible that he could be the guy who replaces Swisher when his contract is up.”

    Or maybe Swisher replaces Swisher when Swisher’s contract is up…

  64. the gay Yankee fan May 4th, 2010 at 1:08 pm

    When the guy batting ninth in your lineup is 5th in the league in batting, you’ve got nothin’ to worry about.

  65. blake May 4th, 2010 at 1:08 pm

    Thanks for the replys on Pujols…cowherd was just argueing that the Sox would go after him hard after this season but I was thinking that he wouldn’t really be a FA until after next season.

  66. LGY May 4th, 2010 at 1:09 pm

    “Anybody know the details on Pujols’s contract? Does he have a club option after this year or is he a FA after this year?”

    blake,

    http://mlbcontracts.blogspot.com/

    Has every contract in baseball by team. Very cool website.

  67. Erin May 4th, 2010 at 1:09 pm

    the gay Yankee fan May 4th, 2010 at 1:05 pm
    Gardner is 5th in the AL in batting.

    *******************
    Is he really? That’s awesome! :)

  68. Phil Hughes May 4th, 2010 at 1:10 pm

    Pujols ain’t leaving St. Louis. It’s as close to 100% as there is.

  69. m May 4th, 2010 at 1:12 pm

    Yeah, just like mauer wasn’t leaving minny.

    Get this, espn is running ish like, “Mauer the new Wally Pipp?”

    They just annointed him God a month ago, and now some kid named Ramos is supposed to be even better? :?

  70. vinny-b (Granderson is my fave NYY position player - no rite of passage necessary) May 4th, 2010 at 1:12 pm

    I don’t expect Jesus Montero will lose “that” much value as a DH. For example, compare Miguel Cabrera at 1st base versus DH. Not too much difference.

    it is all academic anyways. NYY needs to keep both Austin Romine and Jesus Montero

  71. G. Love May 4th, 2010 at 1:12 pm

    Winn wins a game for us last night and people are already clamoring for him to be benched?

    Jeez. Give the guy a chance. Granderson is going to be out awhile.

  72. Doreen - GTLU Standings, Updates, Calendar & Rules May 4th, 2010 at 1:14 pm

    And Patrick – I agree that maintaining the same level does not necessarily mean the results will remain exactly the same as his first 4 starts.

  73. m May 4th, 2010 at 1:14 pm

    Absolutely, G. Love.

    All hands on deck. When you’re short a starter, it stretches the rest of the OF thin.

  74. Giuseppe Franco May 4th, 2010 at 1:14 pm

    # Bill D May 4th, 2010 at 1:06 pm

    “Says who? Did Girardi announce this?”

    No, Vazquez did.

    ——–

    Hmmm. I didn’t hear that interview. Must’ve been something.

    It’s a slippery slope when you start putting labels on members of the rotation based solely on merit, especially when their numbers will fluctuate during the season.

    Based on merit, Pettitte was the #2 guy last season because he outpitched Burnett in the second half. But, come playoff time, he was the #3 starter – just as he was penciled in at the beginning of the season.

    Starting next week, Vazquez will be the #3 starter behind Burnett.

    So what’s the point of labeling these guys based on merit when the rotation slots always fluctuate?

  75. MTU(aka GBURL) May 4th, 2010 at 1:15 pm

    GB is the resident expert on the relative merits of Romine’s and Montero’s catching ability.

    He has seen both many times.

    Personally, those of you who think that Montero is likely to be sub-par defensively as a Catcher may be in for a pleasant surprise.

    If you saw him in ST training you should have been favorably impressed with his catching.

    He is not a lumbering oaf behind the plate. Far from it. He has a strong and accurate arm, and is working on improving his footwork, blocking, and release times.

    He is working with some of the best instructors in the Yankee system.

    My bet is that he sticks as the primary catcher. JMTC. :)

  76. Betsy - Hughes rules (Pleading the Fifth) May 4th, 2010 at 1:15 pm

    Doreen, Phil is certainly very confident; just read the quotes – he absolutely has no fear whatsoever. I think Joel Sherman was right (for once, lol) in comparing Javy right now to Phil in that you can tell that Phil just wants the ball; he gets it and doesn’t waste any time throwing it.

  77. stuckey May 4th, 2010 at 1:15 pm

    “i would say the biggest threat to making the postseason is the feeling that the post season is inevitable .”

    Right, but how a FAN views this team and the legitimate point you raise about how the Yankees as a team and organization need to view the 2010 season are two entirely, unrelated manners.

    WE all have the luxury of being realists, a luxury I don’t quite understand why a FAN wouldn’t avail themselves of.

    “the yankees are fine , it’s yankee fans that can tick you off.”

    Bingo.

  78. Joekuh - Watching from the sidelines May 4th, 2010 at 1:16 pm

    SS Jeet
    DH Nick the Stick
    1B Tex
    3B Arod
    2B MVCano
    RF Swish
    LF Thames
    C Cisco Kid
    CF GGBG

    My lineup card today. I hope I lose and Golson gets to play, I’m interested to see how he’ll do.

  79. vinny-b (Granderson is my fave NYY position player - no rite of passage necessary) May 4th, 2010 at 1:17 pm

    off topic:

    Nunez is really hitting the cover off the ball. A late-bloomer ??

    between Jeter, Cano, Nunez, Kevin Russo, David Adams… i believe the Yankees have middle-infield covered

  80. Patrick May 4th, 2010 at 1:17 pm

    Actually there’s an enormous difference in value between an elite hitter that plays catcher and an elite hitter limited to DH. Think about how rare it is that a catcher can also hit well. An average catcher’s offensive output is far lower than an average DH’s. Jesus Montero will still be a valuable player if he gets stuck at DH but he’ll be much much more valuable if he can stick at catcher

  81. Lanie May 4th, 2010 at 1:17 pm

    Giuseppe Franco May 4th, 2010 at 12:58 pm

    “Not that it really matters, but Hughes is the #5 starter because he’s the only one in the rotation on an innings limit.”

    Says who? Did Girardi announce this? Or did you decide this on your own?

  82. Bill D May 4th, 2010 at 1:18 pm

    Stuckey:

    Not discounting that possibility, but if it comes down to paying Swisher real money or paying the minimum to a kid, who can be a big league hitter and is under team control for six years, I think they pay the kid. Part of Swisher’s charm for the Yankees is he doesn’t cost a great deal. When he hits free agency and starts looking for 8 figures, his average outfield play, iffy baserunning and .240 with a bunch of walks loses some luster.

  83. Dave F May 4th, 2010 at 1:18 pm

    GTLU,

    Derek Jeter SS
    Nick Johnson DH
    Mark Teixeira 1B
    Alex Rodriguez 3B
    Robinson Cano 2B
    Nick Swisher RF
    Marcus Thames LF
    Brett Gardner CF
    Francisco Cervelli C

    Thanks Doreen :)

  84. Dash May 4th, 2010 at 1:19 pm

    The postseason IS inevitable. Maybe not the division, but the postseason. Vazquez can pitch like this all year and we will still make the playoffs.

    Why people are afraid of a sub .500 Boston team is beyond me.

  85. stuckey May 4th, 2010 at 1:19 pm

    “They just annointed him God a month ago, and now some kid named Ramos is supposed to be even better? :?”

    m, c’mon… that headline is entirely tongue-in-cheek. Read the actual post.

  86. m May 4th, 2010 at 1:20 pm

    When GB7 checks in, maybe he can tell me how Montero projects compared to Victor Martinez. Then we can talk about it.

    Full disclosure, though. I put a huge premium on defense. It’s really sexy. (not literally, that’s what the kids say when something’s really good).

  87. m May 4th, 2010 at 1:22 pm

    stuckey,

    Oops. I didn’t read the post, I usually don’t click on the stuff on the lower left. But there was a big front page article about Ramos. I may have fallen into a trap there. :oops:

  88. Giuseppe Franco May 4th, 2010 at 1:22 pm

    # Lanie May 4th, 2010 at 1:17 pm

    Says who? Did Girardi announce this? Or did you decide this on your own?

    ————-

    Remember the big battle in ST? Ya know, Joba vs. Hughes vs. Aceves vs. Mitre vs. Gaudin?

    It was for the 5th starter slot.

    Ring a bell?

  89. Bill D May 4th, 2010 at 1:22 pm

    “So what’s the point of labeling these guys based on merit when the rotation slots always fluctuate?”

    What’s the point of labeling them at all? Which is sort of my point. As I said in the prior thread, 1-5 really only matters the 1st week of the season and the playoffs.

  90. Jerkface May 4th, 2010 at 1:23 pm

    Unless Romine becomes an .800+ OPS catcher in the majors, the “A” lineup for a projected 2011-2012 yankee team would include Montero at catcher.

  91. pat May 4th, 2010 at 1:23 pm

    m
    Curtis called in injured to the Martha Show so I’ll save you all the pain of watching Martha and Joan Rivers cook pasta to find that out.

    Not a Rachel Ray fan? According to Derek, she’s his current celebrity crush.

  92. Jim May 4th, 2010 at 1:25 pm

    People only care about value for personal reasons. For example, Montero has a much better chance to make the all-star team every year and make the HOF as a catcher. He will also be perceived as a much better player if he stays behind the plate. Also the myth that a young player can’t be a DH.

    In reality, his hitting is his tool and will be above average anywhere. If we are better with a guy with great defense and a good bat of his own in Romine behind the plate, what does it matter if we ‘devalue’ Montero?

    Put a premium on defense. No need to force-feed the kid in a position when we have another blue chip prospect at the same position.

  93. Damo May 4th, 2010 at 1:26 pm

    Isn’t Rachel Ray a Sox fan?

    If so, I have no use for her or her show.

  94. Dave F May 4th, 2010 at 1:26 pm

    Doreen,
    Having one of those days, submitted lineup with Cevilli and Gardner reversed should be Cervelli batting 8 and Gardner batting 9.

  95. Jerkface May 4th, 2010 at 1:27 pm

    Put a premium on defense. No need to force-feed the kid in a position when we have another blue chip prospect at the same position.

    As long as Montero isn’t a complete failure behind the plate, then put him at catcher, so that we can have a great bat at DH as well.

    Gardner(Crawford?), Granderson, Swisher, Rodgriguez, Jeter, Cano, Teixeira, Montero, Johnson/Whomever is better than the same lineup with Cervelli in it and Montero replacing one of the other players.

  96. MTU (aka GBURL) May 4th, 2010 at 1:27 pm

    Vinny-

    You’re absolutely right about Nunez wailing.

    I don’t think the bat was ever in doubt just the glove.

    The Yankees have developed quite a logjam at the upper levels of the minors and it is going to be interesting to see how it resolves.

    Most of the guys you mentioned will likely wind up as trade chips.

    Can’t keep em’ all. :)

  97. stuckey May 4th, 2010 at 1:27 pm

    “Not discounting that possibility, but if it comes down to paying Swisher real money or paying the minimum to a kid, who can be a big league hitter and is under team control for six years, I think they pay the kid.”

    The problem is, I don’t think anyone projects Russo to be a major league corner outfielder.

    “Part of Swisher’s charm for the Yankees is he doesn’t cost a great deal. When he hits free agency and starts looking for 8 figures, his average outfield play, iffy baserunning and .240 with a bunch of walks loses some luster.”

    Swisher’s charm for me is he OPS’d .869 in a year that he only batted .250 and he’s currently OPSing .935 after his well-documented swing-restructuring.

    Say we spit the difference and settle him into .900? That holds plenty enough charm for me.

    That’s high-end production, not “acceptable for under $10m” production.

  98. Giuseppe Franco May 4th, 2010 at 1:28 pm

    As I said in the prior thread, 1-5 really only matters the 1st week of the season and the playoffs.

    ———–

    Well, you must have thought it was at least kind of important since you went out of your way to label Vazquez the fifth starter due to his struggles.

  99. m May 4th, 2010 at 1:28 pm

    pat,

    lol. thanks. how hurt is Granderson that he couldn’t take an elevator to her studio? :P

    Gardner batting 9th, you sure about that Dave F? ;)

  100. Jerkface May 4th, 2010 at 1:29 pm

    Is anyone else annoyed that Robertson had his inherited runners scored by marte? I know this is old news from Saturday but I was just thinking about that. Robertson isn’t pitching as well as last season, but that really annoyed me. Marte is great at letting other pitchers runners score.

  101. Doreen - GTLU Standings, Updates, Calendar & Rules May 4th, 2010 at 1:30 pm

    I’m not a fan of Rachel Ray, either. Find her particularly annoying. Also sloppy.

    My MIL got me one of her cookbooks (because frankly, some of her recipes are interesting), but every recipe would leave the kitchen a total mess. Multiple pots and pans, etc. I gave it away. Ssh, don’t tell my MIL. :)

    Rachel Ray also doesn’t have a very good off-camera reputation – she’s nicer “on” than “off,” that is.

  102. m May 4th, 2010 at 1:30 pm

    Romine and Montero could be 1 and 1A at catcher.

    Then everyone can be happy. :)

  103. Ian May 4th, 2010 at 1:30 pm

    What a shock – the “Yankee fan” Francessa starts the show with golf and some other irrelevant nonsense. No mention of our great win.

  104. Phil Columbus May 4th, 2010 at 1:31 pm

    ss Jeter
    rf swisher
    1b tex
    3b arod
    2b cano
    dh thames
    cf gardner
    c cervelli
    lf winn

    Doreen, Thank You

  105. Doreen - GTLU Standings, Updates, Calendar & Rules May 4th, 2010 at 1:31 pm

    Okay, Dave. Got it.

  106. Bill D May 4th, 2010 at 1:32 pm

    “Well, you must have thought it was at least kind of important since you went out of your way to label Vazquez the fifth starter due to his struggles.”

    What exactly did you think Joe G is trying to say by skipping Vazquez? Any chance that decision was based on the merits of his work to this point? Any chance he’s saying “why throw my worst starter when I don’t have to?”

  107. EA May 4th, 2010 at 1:32 pm

    Well, Robertson let Sabathia’s runs score in the opening game and was charged with the blown save.

    Robertson also let Boone Logan’s run score and gave up 3 more runs in that Baltimore game and was charged with the loss/blown save.

    He also gave up a grand slam in that Angels game.

    He has done plenty wrong on his own.

  108. Erin May 4th, 2010 at 1:33 pm

    Doreen – GTLU Standings, Updates, Calendar & Rules May 4th, 2010 at 1:30 pm
    I?m not a fan of Rachel Ray, either. Find her particularly annoying. Also sloppy.

    ********************
    I don’t care for her either, but I’ll watch when Swish is on. :)

  109. stuckey May 4th, 2010 at 1:33 pm

    “Actually there’s an enormous difference in value between an elite hitter that plays catcher and an elite hitter limited to DH. Think about how rare it is that a catcher can also hit well. An average catcher’s offensive output is far lower than an average DH’s. Jesus Montero will still be a valuable player if he gets stuck at DH but he’ll be much much more valuable if he can stick at catcher”

    in a vacuum, yes. But the actual goal is to cram as much “value” into 1-9 as possible. That sometimes actually means compromising the “value” of one slot in order to maximize.

    Again, my post was predicated on the what of premise of Romine elevating his prospects as a hitter (and yes, ceilings and projections CAN actually change).

    IF Romine can be a .800 OPS player at the major league level, what then?

  110. Erica - always OPPC - Sesame Street Mafia and GTLU supporter May 4th, 2010 at 1:34 pm

    Doreen – GTLU Standings, Updates, Calendar & Rules May 4th, 2010 at 1:30 pm

    Rachel Ray also doesn?t have a very good off-camera reputation ? she?s nicer ?on? than ?off,? that is.
    ***************

    I can verify for a fact that is true.

    However, I live her recipies :-)

  111. IDCWYT May 4th, 2010 at 1:34 pm

    D Jeter SS
    N Swisher RF
    M Teixeira 1B
    A Rodriguez 3B
    R Cano 2B
    M Thames DH
    R Wynn LF
    F Cervelli C
    B Gardner CF

  112. Fran (the original) May 4th, 2010 at 1:34 pm

    Doreen,

    I’ll play but I think that Joe is going to win today.

    Derek SS
    Johnson DH
    Tex 1B
    Alex 3B
    Robbie 2B
    Swisher RF
    Thames LF
    Cervelli C
    Gardner CF

    Thanks for hosting :)

  113. Erica - always OPPC - Sesame Street Mafia and GTLU supporter May 4th, 2010 at 1:34 pm

    ** Oops- LOVE! LOL

  114. Dave F May 4th, 2010 at 1:35 pm

    Thanks Doreen. :)

  115. mick May 4th, 2010 at 1:35 pm

    Personally, those of you who think that Montero is likely to be sub-par defensively as a Catcher may be in for a pleasant surprise.

    =========================
    Have you seen Montero catch?

  116. SAS May 4th, 2010 at 1:35 pm

    NEWS FLASH: They caught the guy who tried to bomb Times Square. I believe he was caught at the airport.

  117. Erica - always OPPC - Sesame Street Mafia and GTLU supporter May 4th, 2010 at 1:35 pm

    Jeter SS
    Johnson DH
    Tex 1B
    A-Rod 3B
    Cano 2B
    Swisher RF
    Thames LF
    Cervelli C
    GGBG CF

    Thanks Doreen :-)

  118. Bronx Jeers May 4th, 2010 at 1:36 pm

    “Not a Rachel Ray fan? According to Derek, she’s his current celebrity crush.”

    Derek Jeter has a crush on Rachel Ray?

    Alba, Biel, Brewster, Kelly…Ray?

    One of these things is not like the other…

  119. Giuseppe Franco May 4th, 2010 at 1:36 pm

    It’s worth noting that the Yankees as an organization are emphatic about keeping Montero behind the plate and not a DH.

    His value is much higher as a catcher, obviously, because there are so few bit time offensive catchers in MLB.

    CB pointed out an interesting fact the other day. Every Yankee dynasty since the 1920s has had an elite offensive catcher.

    Posada has never been more than an average defender and I’d say they’ve done okay the last 10+ years.

  120. Dave F May 4th, 2010 at 1:36 pm

    Fran, I don’t know how, but I also have the feeling that Joe will win today.

  121. pat May 4th, 2010 at 1:36 pm

    Doreen

    Watched a couple of the 30 minute meals show and she was annoyingly cutesy so I haven’t watched since. Jeter picking her made me chuckle because I feel the same way about his current GF’s voice.

  122. m May 4th, 2010 at 1:37 pm

    Full disclosure, I think the biggest reason I never took a liking to Rachel Ray is because she’s one of Oprah’s pets.

    Oprah’s a wonderful person and host, but I really dislike the bandwagon effect with everything she touches. I’m an against the grain kind of person (despite my sports affiliations haha).

    Add to that her voice. And that ugly burnt orange is her signature color.

    But I have to admit that her oval pasta pot is a thing of genius. And if it comes with handles in a color other than that ugly burnt orange signature color, I would definitely consider purchasing one.

  123. Erin May 4th, 2010 at 1:37 pm

    Bronx Jeers May 4th, 2010 at 1:36 pm
    ?Not a Rachel Ray fan? According to Derek, she’s his current celebrity crush.?

    Derek Jeter has a crush on Rachel Ray?

    Alba, Biel, Brewster, Kelly?Ray?

    ? One of these things is not like the other? ?

    **********************

    :lol:

    Nice!

  124. stuckey May 4th, 2010 at 1:37 pm

    Good gravy – Zack McAllister got lit up like a Christmas tree today…. 9 hits and 7 earned in 3 innings.

  125. IT 7 May 4th, 2010 at 1:39 pm

    stucky,

    People have some strange fantasy about the Yankees moving Romine to the outfield, when there has been NO indication that they have considered doing that.

    If Montero stays at C, I would bet Romine is on the trade block for a position that we need at the time. If he progresses as we think, he is going to have more value as trade bait than as Swisher’s replacement. Makes more sense to put Jesus at DH and maximize Romine’s defense and above average C bat.

  126. Uncle Ellsworth May 4th, 2010 at 1:39 pm

    SAS thanks but that happened last night

  127. Warning Track Power May 4th, 2010 at 1:40 pm

    Congrats on Greg Golson for the call-up. Does anybody know if he has yet to make his MLB Debut?

  128. mick May 4th, 2010 at 1:40 pm

    jete ss
    swish rf
    tex 1b
    al 3b
    robbie 2b
    thames dh
    winn lf
    cisco c
    gardy cf

  129. Betsy - Hughes rules (Pleading the Fifth) May 4th, 2010 at 1:41 pm

    M, me too. I remember a couple of years ago Discovery Channel (I think) conducted a poll (and televised the results) of the most important historical figures of the last century. The public voted on this and voted Oprah #11, lol.

    I march to the beat of my own drummer, that’s for sure.

  130. m May 4th, 2010 at 1:41 pm

    Of course they’re going to develop montero as a catcher. You don’t develop players to be DH’s. What the Yankees say, what they do now, and what happens in the future could be different things.

    Anyway, I’m happy with both catching and developing. It’s really nice to know we got options.

  131. SAS May 4th, 2010 at 1:41 pm

    My lineup:

    Jeter, SS
    Johnson, DH
    Teixera, 1B
    Arod 3B
    Cano 2B
    Swisher RF
    Winn LF
    Granderson CF
    Cervelli C

  132. stuckey May 4th, 2010 at 1:42 pm

    “It’s worth noting that the Yankees as an organization are emphatic about keeping Montero behind the plate and not a DH.”

    I wouldn’t put too much stock in this. What the heck are the Yankees supposed to say and do with him right now?

    They aren’t moving him to first. You don’t “development” a DH in the minor leagues. They have very reason go full-steam ahead with him as a catcher right now and not a single reason not to.

    Again, the question – the point of this exercise is – what if you being to regard Romine as a above average defensive catcher AND QUALITY major league bat?

  133. Uncle Ellsworth May 4th, 2010 at 1:42 pm

    Both my Bro in laws have crushes on Rachel.
    A Jeter crush is evidence he wants to settle down not with her but he may be seeing more in women then their “hotness”

  134. Warning Track Power May 4th, 2010 at 1:42 pm

    Jeter-SS
    Johnson-DH
    Tex-1B
    ARod-3B
    Cano-2B
    Swisher-RF
    Thames-LF
    Cervelli-C
    Gardner-CF

  135. Y 27 May 4th, 2010 at 1:42 pm

    Jeter SS
    Swisher RF
    Tex 1B
    ARod 3B
    Cano 2B
    Thames DH
    Winn LF
    Cervelli C
    Gardner CF

  136. Giuseppe Franco May 4th, 2010 at 1:43 pm

    # Bill D May 4th, 2010 at 1:32 pm

    What exactly did you think Joe G is trying to say by skipping Vazquez? Any chance that decision was based on the merits of his work to this point? Any chance he’s saying “why throw my worst starter when I don’t have to?”

    ————-

    Vazquez isn’t necessarily their “worst starter.” He’s struggling. Doesn’t mean he will stay that way.

    Whatever, this is boring and pointless.

  137. SAS May 4th, 2010 at 1:43 pm

    The news conferences are being held now. That’s what I knew.

  138. Joe from Long Island May 4th, 2010 at 1:43 pm

    Doreen –

    jeter ss
    nj dh
    tex 1b
    alex 3b
    cano 2b
    swish rf
    winn lf
    cisco c
    brett cf

    aj p

  139. Uncle Ellsworth May 4th, 2010 at 1:43 pm

    Than not then!

  140. MTU (aka GBURL) May 4th, 2010 at 1:43 pm

    Mick-

    “Have you seen Montero catch?”

    Yes I have Mick, and that is why I said what I did.

    Maybe it was just me but he appeared to be a lot better than I was expecting.

    Have you ?

  141. Doreen - GTLU Standings, Updates, Calendar & Rules May 4th, 2010 at 1:44 pm

    pat -

    I have only seen Minka Kelly in one scene on Parenthood (I don’t watch Friday Night Lights because who knows when it’s on???), so I don’t know.

    But, yeah, Rach was tolerable for about a half a season on the food network. I was mildly amused when she got her own talk show.

  142. Matt May 4th, 2010 at 1:44 pm

    stuckey,

    If Romine can do that, he is going to have ENORMOUS value as trade bait.

    Two-way catchers are worth their weight in gold.

  143. Bronx Jeers May 4th, 2010 at 1:44 pm

    SAS,

    Actually heard that this morning. Are you still out West? News travels slow.

    Anyway. I heard the guy was already on the plane and the plane was taxiing to the runway. Headed to Dubai. He would have been arrested there anyway.

    They tracked the VIN # on the truck to it’s last owner who sold it to the guy a couple of weeks back. She still had his E-mail address and they got his name.

  144. Erin May 4th, 2010 at 1:44 pm

    Doreen – GTLU Standings, Updates, Calendar & Rules May 4th, 2010 at 1:44 pm
    pat -

    I have only seen Minka Kelly in one scene on Parenthood

    *****************
    I thought Minka was great on Parenthood. Her voice doesn’t bother me at all. Rachel Ray on the other hand…

    LOL

  145. LGY May 4th, 2010 at 1:45 pm

    There is a huge difference between Montero ending up at C or at DH. Every individual move made when constructing a team has a ripple effect on the rest of team.

    With the way the current market is, it has become much cheaper to get high end production at DH. Even if the DH market were to rebound somewhat it is still much more expensive and very difficult to get high end offensive production at C.

    If you plug Montero in at C you not only have premium offense at C but also premium offense at DH. And both of this will come cheap. Great offensive catchers are few and far between. Great offensive DH’s are not.

    Hopefully Romine continues to tear up AA and makes the absolute commitment to developing Montero as a C less of a priority. That would be a very good problem to have.

  146. Uncle Ellsworth May 4th, 2010 at 1:45 pm

    Yeah SAS
    NBC broke into Leno last night for a press conf

  147. stuckey May 4th, 2010 at 1:46 pm

    “People have some strange fantasy about the Yankees moving Romine to the outfield, when there has been NO indication that they have considered doing that.”

    And that’s where common sense goes off the rails. If Romine’s bat projects to a corner OF position and he’s consider a high-end defensive prospect, then he’s closed the gap some between his and Montero’s status.

    “If he progresses as we think, he is going to have more value as trade bait than as Swisher’s replacement.”‘

    Well, as stated earlier, I’m more than willing to be open-minded about Swisher’s new swing being the key to Swisher being Swisher’s replacement.

  148. mick May 4th, 2010 at 1:46 pm

    I saw Jesus in ST, not enough to declare anything about his catching prowess.

    Where did you see him?

  149. Erica - always OPPC - Sesame Street Mafia and GTLU supporter May 4th, 2010 at 1:47 pm

    For those Days of Our Lives Watchers-

    Days will be shown today as normal on Soapnet or on NBC at like 3am if you want to DVR accordingly

  150. Uncle Ellsworth May 4th, 2010 at 1:47 pm

    wait who does Minka play on Parenthood?
    still not sure how I feel about that show -

  151. Uncle Ellsworth May 4th, 2010 at 1:49 pm

    some fans would like to see Jesus, Austin and Cisco all playing for the Yanks in the future, so they (me included) on how that may work out.

  152. m May 4th, 2010 at 1:49 pm

    All I know is that witnesses say the perp was some redneck looking guy. I guess they were wrong.

    But I was reading the article on the NY Post site about the girl. 19 yr. old college student who sold the car to the guy. He said he was just going to go riding around NY with his friends. Said he was soft-spoken. Lucky thing he was incompetent in the construction and detonation of incendiary devices.

  153. Bronx Jeers May 4th, 2010 at 1:49 pm

    Quick poll!

    Whose voice makes your skin crawl more?

    Michael Kay or Rachel Ray?

  154. Erica - always OPPC - Sesame Street Mafia and GTLU supporter May 4th, 2010 at 1:50 pm

    Uncle Ellsworth May 4th, 2010 at 1:47 pm
    wait who does Minka play on Parenthood?
    still not sure how I feel about that show -
    *************

    She is the behavioral therapist that works with Max.

    I think that show is adorible!

  155. Erica - always OPPC - Sesame Street Mafia and GTLU supporter May 4th, 2010 at 1:50 pm

    Bronx Jeers May 4th, 2010 at 1:49 pm
    Quick poll!

    Whose voice makes your skin crawl more?

    Michael Kay or Rachel Ray?
    ************

    Definitely Rachael Ray’s

  156. CR9 May 4th, 2010 at 1:50 pm

    Minka plays the teacher/behavioral counselor of the autistic son.

    Parenthood is a real pleasure of a television show!

  157. I Like Inge May 4th, 2010 at 1:51 pm

    Michael Kay for sure.

  158. SAS May 4th, 2010 at 1:51 pm

    Bronx Jeers,

    We arrived home about 5:00 pm yesterday, and I heard the 11:00 news, but then changed the channel and have not really paid attention to the news since then.

    I didn’t know he was already in the plane!! Thanks for that info.

  159. Doreen - GTLU Standings, Updates, Calendar & Rules May 4th, 2010 at 1:51 pm

    SAS -

    First, thanks for passing along that news.

    Second, I’m assuming you meant Gardner and not Granderson in CF, right? :)

  160. SAS May 4th, 2010 at 1:51 pm

    Doreen,

    I forgot to say thank you…and I do.

  161. stuckey May 4th, 2010 at 1:52 pm

    “If Romine can do that, he is going to have ENORMOUS value as trade bait.

    Two-way catchers are worth their weight in gold.”

    That’s my point in fact. I’d just as soon have the Yankees mine the gold.

    As I said, IF Romine establishes himself as an elite prospect at AAA sometime before 2012, I’d be open minded if someone dangled a truly elite high-minors SS, corner outfield or front-end starter in front of the Yankees, but not sure how likely that is.

    You rarely see teams do one-on-one swaps of high-end, high minors prospects in a “needs” exchange. But there is always a first time I suppose.

  162. Uncle Ellsworth May 4th, 2010 at 1:52 pm

    Thanks Erica
    I did not recognize her.
    I think I like the Gilmore girls family in that show the best and coach

  163. stuart May 4th, 2010 at 1:53 pm

    Bruins lead Flyers 2-0
    Celtics even up series with Cavaliers, heading back to Boston.
    Red Sox pound Anglels 17-6

    Great night for ESPN. Exactly the headlines they yerned for…

  164. mick May 4th, 2010 at 1:54 pm

    Kay reads this blog or has someone read it for him (Kim?)

    Watch what you say.

    Last night he gave out a spiteful “aforementioned” in the disclaimer.

    I tell you he is lurking.

  165. MTU (aka GBURL) May 4th, 2010 at 1:54 pm

    Mick-

    same place as you, and also reports from GB who has seen him a lot.

    Nobody said “prowess”, I merely said pleasantly surprised.

    My expectation was that he was not very good behind the plate and what I saw in ST showed me a # of important things like he has a strong and accurate arm, frames pitches well, and has a nimble glove.

    His footwork wasn’t awful either and his release was good IMO.

    That is the foundation for a decent catcher.

    Did you see something diffferent, or disagree with that evaluation ?

  166. Doreen - GTLU Standings, Updates, Calendar & Rules May 4th, 2010 at 1:54 pm

    The following people have submitted lineups for today’s GTLU so far:

    If you submitted a lineup and don’t see your name, please let me know. Also, please remember that GTLU “closes” at 3 p.m. or until the first tweeted lineup is up.

    upstate
    Erin
    kd
    MTU
    Patrick from CT
    RayVT
    Roger(National Memorial Day)
    the gay Yankee fan
    Joekuh
    Dave F
    Phil Columbus f
    IDCWYT
    Fran (the original)
    Erica
    mick
    SAS
    Warning Track Power
    Y 27
    Joe from Long Island

  167. LGY May 4th, 2010 at 1:54 pm

    Putting Romine at C over Montero is extremely difficult to project right now, because there are so many variables that need to be sorted out between the 2 players.

    How good is Montero’s bat in the majors?

    How good is Romine’s bat in the majors?

    How bad is Montero’s defense?

    How good is Romine’s defense?

    If Montero is more Jorge Posada and less Victor Martinez behind the dish, Romine will need to have a very special bat for his better defense to be more valuable behind the plate.

  168. stuckey May 4th, 2010 at 1:54 pm

    And CR9 returns with more new screennames…

  169. muffinstump May 4th, 2010 at 1:54 pm

    jeter ss
    johnson dh
    tex 1b
    arod 3b
    cano 2b
    thames lf
    swish rf
    cervelli c
    gardner cf

  170. SAS May 4th, 2010 at 1:54 pm

    Doreen,

    Yes, of course, I meant Gardner. I do that a lot. I do have learning disabilities. Thanks again.

  171. m May 4th, 2010 at 1:54 pm

    All I saw was the dad yanking his daughter out of the boyfriend’s bed.

    And max is some kind of genius, apparently.

  172. Giuseppe Franco May 4th, 2010 at 1:55 pm

    # stuckey May 4th, 2010 at 1:42 pm

    Again, the question – the point of this exercise is – what if you being to regard Romine as a above average defensive catcher AND QUALITY major league bat?

    ————

    And my point was simply that the organization has historically leaned towards the elite hitter to build around for the exception of Girardi in ’96.

    One of the primary reasons he was brought in was to tutor his eventual replacement in Posada.

    I like defense too. But, again, my point was simply to note that the organization has historically leaned towards the better hitter.

    Maybe that will change with Montero/Romine. Maybe history will repeat itself.

  173. 40 time May 4th, 2010 at 1:56 pm

    Being an above average bat at C is not = to being an above average bat in the corners.

    Swisher is a switch-hitter, 30 HR, .400 OBP guy. Those guys do not grow on trees and Romine, as good a prospect as he is, can only dream of putting up that kind of production at the ML level.

  174. m May 4th, 2010 at 1:57 pm

    It’ll be interesting, though, how the nuances of the game change that philosophy.

    The game is getting younger and more athletic. Catcher defense will be gold imo.

  175. stuckey May 4th, 2010 at 1:57 pm

    “If Montero is more Jorge Posada and less Victor Martinez behind the dish, Romine will need to have a very special bat for his better defense to be more valuable behind the plate.”

    Well, for what it’s worth, for a Tuesday afternoon discussion, that was the premise of the topic.

  176. Erica - always OPPC - Sesame Street Mafia and GTLU supporter May 4th, 2010 at 1:58 pm

    Uncle Ellsworth May 4th, 2010 at 1:52 pm
    Thanks Erica
    I did not recognize her.
    I think I like the Gilmore girls family in that show the best and coach
    *********

    I like Crosby and Jabbar.

    The oldest son (Peter Krause) and his perfect wife annoy me

  177. Uncle Ellsworth May 4th, 2010 at 1:58 pm

    thanks CR9
    the show really knows how to push buttons, many times they are dead on, sometimes too heavy handed, I still watch it everyweek

    watched the debut of Happytown and have high hopes for that – very Stephen King meets Twin Peaks

  178. mick May 4th, 2010 at 1:58 pm

    I haven’t seen enough of Jesus to claim to know his catching abilities.

    When were you at ST? Must have missed you.

  179. muffinstump May 4th, 2010 at 1:58 pm

    doreen,

    is there a booby prize for lowest winning percentage at the end of the season?

    if so, think i might be in the lead. :cry:

  180. Betsy - Hughes rules (Pleading the Fifth) May 4th, 2010 at 1:59 pm

    If Romine establishes himself as an elite two-way catcher, I don’t see why the Yankees wouldn’t at least consider him as the C of the future. Montero will hit, period, no matter what position he plays and would still have plenty of value to the Yankees. I would love to have both Romine and Montero in the lineup.

  181. pat May 4th, 2010 at 1:59 pm

    NickSwisher Episode airs May 17th! @rachelrayshow

  182. MTU (aka GBURL) May 4th, 2010 at 1:59 pm

    By the way, who says that Romine is a much better defensive catcher than Montero ?

    Scouts ? People in the Yankee system ? People who have actually seen both play ? Talking heads ? Who exactly ?

    Just asking.

    Personally, I am not convinced that it is so.

  183. stuckey May 4th, 2010 at 2:02 pm

    “And my point was simply that the organization has historically leaned towards the elite hitter to build around for the exception of Girardi in ‘96. ”

    Not sure the facts hold up to this POV.

    I could be wrong and will be welcome to be corrected if I am, but I don’t think the Yankees projected Posada to be the hitter he turned out to be, even when they began transitioning him to full-time catcher.

    I’m not sure he fit into their “elite bat” philosophy as early as ’96/’97. It completely escaped my attention if he was that highly-rated a prospect at the time.

  184. Uncle Ellsworth May 4th, 2010 at 2:02 pm

    Erica Like the Crosby Jabbar pair too.

  185. Erica - always OPPC - Sesame Street Mafia and GTLU supporter May 4th, 2010 at 2:02 pm

    muffinstump May 4th, 2010 at 1:58 pm
    doreen,

    is there a booby prize for lowest winning percentage at the end of the season?

    if so, think i might be in the lead.
    ***********

    It could be me!!!!

    I am approaching almost two weeks without a win :cry:

  186. antisocial scrooge May 4th, 2010 at 2:03 pm

    Derek Jeter SS
    Nick Johnson DH
    Mark Teixeira 1B
    Alex Rodriguez 3B
    Robinson Cano 2B
    Nick Swisher RF
    Marcus Thames LF
    Francisco Cervelli C
    Brett Gardner CF

  187. mick May 4th, 2010 at 2:03 pm

    The past 2 seasons Romine has 16 errors in the Minors. Seems like a lot?
    Montero is having an awful time at the plate in AAA, is he hurt?

  188. MTU (aka GBURL) May 4th, 2010 at 2:04 pm

    mick-

    TV works just fine for me.

    And I have seen enough to judge the things I mentioned so I guess we can agree to disagree and just let things play out.

    One thing is for sure, since we seem to be on opposing sides.

    One of us is going to be correct the other not.

    Personally, I hope it’s me because then we not only have ourselves a great hitter but an acceptable defensive catcher as well. ;)

  189. John May 4th, 2010 at 2:04 pm

    Way way too many things to factor in when talking about Romine/Montero.

    First off, what happens with Gardner if he continues to be productive (and there is no reason to think he won’t)?

    And if Gardner does well, do we sign Crawford? If we sign Crawford, what does that do to Gardner and/or Swisher? Does Swisher get traded? Does Swisher move to DH? Does Gardner become a very very good 4th OF?

    Then the obvious question of if Montero can catch full-time, what DHs are out there, if we need to move A-Rod to DH, if there is a valuable young position player that can be swapped for Romine at a position of need, etc.

    After this season (and off-season), things will become much clearer.

  190. CB May 4th, 2010 at 2:04 pm

    I don’t know if people have had the opportunity to watch what Ubaldo Jimenez is doing this year but if not I’d recommend trying to watch him pitch.

    He’s doing some extraordinary things out on the mound.

    Last night he struck out 13 in 7 innings. He struck out Adrian Gonzalez 3 times.

    His ERA is down to 0.87. Colorado is 6-0 in his starts and 7-13 in all other games.

    His average fastball is 97 mph.

    He may be as close to Nolan Ryan as baseball has seen over the past generation.

  191. Mike_Boston May 4th, 2010 at 2:06 pm

    Jeter: SS
    Johnson: DH
    Tex: 1B
    Arod: 3B
    Cano: 2B
    Thames: LF
    Siwsh: RF
    Cervelli: C
    Gardy: CF

  192. Frank & Beans Still believe in Javi May 4th, 2010 at 2:06 pm

    Chad,

    The Yankees should not mess around with Montero. They cant bring him up for a short period of time. Romine needs to stay as well,

    Chad Moeller needs to fill in for a short while or be the backup to Frankie.

    If Montero came and stunk up the joint his trade value would fall. Or worse if he came and hit like a monster,, then what, Posada is here for 2 more years, his catching skills are still good enough to start him and not make him the DH,.

    They cant over react to an injury that might not DL Posada.

  193. mick May 4th, 2010 at 2:07 pm

    Why are you saying we disagree? I have no opinion of Jesus as a catcher.

  194. MTU (aka GBURL) May 4th, 2010 at 2:07 pm

    CB-

    As I told you, I get the Rockies feed and I have had the distinct pleasure to watch Ubaldo many times.

    Maybe, I will need to start tuning in again when there isn’t a Yankee game on. :)

  195. Ed Whitson May 4th, 2010 at 2:07 pm

    Montero’s value is elite at catcher.

    DHs grow on trees. Look how many were available this winter – Damon, Matsui, NJ, Vlad, Thome, Sheffield, Dye, etc.

    If Montero is even respectable at C, that is where he should be. If he does, Romine is a very valuable trade commodity for something good.

  196. Giuseppe Franco May 4th, 2010 at 2:07 pm

    # stuckey May 4th, 2010 at 2:02 pm

    I’m not sure he fit into their “elite bat” philosophy as early as ‘96/’97. It completely escaped my attention if he was that highly-rated a prospect at the time.

    ————

    I’m sure they didn’t expect him to put up borderline Hall of Fame numbers back then but they knew he was going to hit and be their eventual starting catcher.

  197. UnKnown May 4th, 2010 at 2:09 pm

    GTLU

    Jeter SS
    Johnson DH
    Tex 1B
    Alex 3B
    Cano 2B
    Swisher RF
    Thames LF
    Cisco C
    Gardner CF

  198. MTU (aka GBURL) May 4th, 2010 at 2:10 pm

    Mick-

    If I got you wrong I apologize.

    It just seemed to me as though you might be disagreeing rather than just not having enough info.

    My bad.

    All good. :)

  199. Mark in Tampa May 4th, 2010 at 2:10 pm

    “He may be as close to Nolan Ryan as baseball has seen over the past generation”

    CB,

    With his build, he reminds me more of JR Richard. A shame we weren’t able to see his career through its entirety.

  200. Doreen - GTLU Standings, Updates, Calendar & Rules May 4th, 2010 at 2:11 pm

    muffinstump -

    Not to worry – you’ve got plenty of company! :lol:

  201. m May 4th, 2010 at 2:12 pm

    I find this hard to believe:

    “Believe it or not, Gardner has yet to swing and miss at the pitch in the strike zone this season, and he’s the only player in the game that can make that claim.”

    http://riveraveblues.com/2010/.....act-27788/

  202. miggs- GTLU Reigning Champion May 4th, 2010 at 2:13 pm

    Jeter SS
    Johnson DH
    Tex 1B
    A Rod 3B
    Cano 2B
    Thames LF
    Swisher RF
    Gardner CF
    Cervelli C

    Rock on Doreen!

  203. Bronx Jeers May 4th, 2010 at 2:13 pm

    # mick May 4th, 2010 at 1:54 pm

    Kay reads this blog or has someone read it for him (Kim?)

    Watch what you say.

    Last night he gave out a spiteful “aforementioned” in the disclaimer.

    I tell you he is lurking.

    ——————————————————-

    Dear Mike,

    I’ve tried on numerous occasions to like you but it’s hard. You are very annoying. Please keep quiet and let the others speak. They know a lot about the game…you? not so much.

    Sincerely,

    The Underbelly.

    P.S.

    Try some ketchup. It’s quite tasty.

  204. mick May 4th, 2010 at 2:14 pm

    I mean with the supposed bat Jesus has, how bad a catcher can he be?

    Posada isn’t exactly Johnny Bench back there but he hits like a monster.

    When was the last catcher that was so bad behind the plate that his bat couldn’t carry him?

  205. stuckey May 4th, 2010 at 2:14 pm

    “I’m sure they didn’t expect him to put up borderline Hall of Fame numbers back then but they knew he was going to hit and be their eventual starting catcher.”

    Oh, I don’t disagree. My point was looked at in relative terms, if he’s for real, wouldn’t Romine being somewhat similar in status of Posada in the early stages of their career, which either gets Romine into the supposed “elite hitting catcher” philosophy conversation, or if not, takes Posada out of it?

  206. Joe from Long Island May 4th, 2010 at 2:14 pm

    Does Jimenez walk as many as Ryan did?

  207. mick May 4th, 2010 at 2:15 pm

    Good one Bx Jeers.

  208. Mark in Tampa May 4th, 2010 at 2:15 pm

    “Believe it or not, Gardner has yet to swing and miss at the pitch in the strike zone this season, and he’s the only player in the game that can make that claim.”

    I would have thought that of Nick Johnson, I can’t recall seeing him swinging at very much in or out of the strike zone. :)

  209. Nick in SF May 4th, 2010 at 2:15 pm

    Zero Hour is approaching, Bronx Jeers.

  210. Patrick from CT May 4th, 2010 at 2:16 pm

    Whose voice makes your skin crawl more?

    Michael Kay or Rachel Ray?

    =============================

    I’m not big on Michael Kay; Singleton is much better.
    Rachel Ray is highly annoying…

    As for Jeter’s tast in women, he’s doing just fine with his choises…

  211. stuckey May 4th, 2010 at 2:17 pm

    “If he does, Romine is a very valuable trade commodity for something good.”

    I’d ask again, is there any history of team’s swapping high-end prospects to respectively address specific “needs”?

    I’m not aware of any.

  212. CB May 4th, 2010 at 2:17 pm

    Mark-

    The Richard comparison is interesting. Great power arm obviously. And as you point out it’s just an enormous tragedy what happened with him. The arc of Richard’s career reminds of Herb Score in some ways.

    I never saw JR Richard pitch but from the pictures and video of him I’ve seen, I remember him being thinner and lankier than Jimenez. Am I off on that?

    Richard was a giant – 6’8 or so. Jimenez is 6’4 and built like a linebacker.

  213. Erica - always OPPC - Sesame Street Mafia and GTLU supporter May 4th, 2010 at 2:17 pm

    I ♥ ketchup

  214. Joe from Long Island May 4th, 2010 at 2:17 pm

    I just went to baseball-reference.com and looked it up – K/BB ratio of 2.75. But, his ERA+ is 540. Wow. I know it’s a small sample, but still, wow!

  215. Uncle Ellsworth May 4th, 2010 at 2:17 pm

    9:00 am?

  216. JohnC May 4th, 2010 at 2:18 pm

    The only one more annoying than Rachel Ray is The View’s Elizabeth Hasseback. She comes across as such a Miss Gooody Two Shoes it makes me sick.

  217. Warning Track Power May 4th, 2010 at 2:18 pm

    Montero and Romaine won’t benefit from getting a cup of coffee in the big leagues this month.
    Moeller was signed as insurance. A veteran player who can handle the roll of a back-up for a limited amount of time.

  218. MTU (aka GBURL) May 4th, 2010 at 2:19 pm

    The things that makes Ubaldo so good in addition to his overwhelming FB is that he really is a fairly complete pitcher out there.

    All of his stuff is plus. He features a curve, slider, and change.

    He hides the ball extremely well and has great mound presence.

  219. Rick May 4th, 2010 at 2:19 pm

    With the callup of Golson, it’s good to hear that Kevin Russo will get some playing time in the outfield. Girardi and his coaches liked him a lot in March but Ramiro Pena wasn’t going down to AAA. This will add to Russo’s value by learning some OF.

  220. mick May 4th, 2010 at 2:20 pm

    True that a backup catcher is not here to hit but to defend.

  221. Erin May 4th, 2010 at 2:20 pm

    pat May 4th, 2010 at 1:59 pm
    NickSwisher Episode airs May 17th! @rachelrayshow

    ********************
    awesome, thanks pat! :)

  222. Doreen - GTLU Standings, Updates, Calendar & Rules May 4th, 2010 at 2:20 pm

    Update on my outing tomorrow: I decided that I did not have to be a martyr! I called the agency and rescheduled the appointment for Friday morning. So I am going to the Lakewood vs. Charleston game tomorrow morning! Yay!

    (It only took me 52 years to figure out how to be assertive.)

  223. Jerkface May 4th, 2010 at 2:21 pm

    Brett Gardners current Z-Contact (contact in the zone) is 100% on fangraphs, looks like its true 8o

  224. champ809 May 4th, 2010 at 2:21 pm

    GTLU

    SS- DJ
    RF- Swishie
    1B- Tex
    3B- ARod-goes deep tonight
    2B- MVP Robbie- 3 hits and a homer tonight
    DH- Thames
    LF- Winn
    C- Vells
    CF- Gritty Gardy

    Another winning production

  225. Erica - always OPPC - Sesame Street Mafia and GTLU supporter May 4th, 2010 at 2:21 pm

    Doreen – GTLU Standings, Updates, Calendar & Rules May 4th, 2010 at 2:20 pm
    Update on my outing tomorrow: I decided that I did not have to be a martyr! I called the agency and rescheduled the appointment for Friday morning. So I am going to the Lakewood vs. Charleston game tomorrow morning! Yay!

    (It only took me 52 years to figure out how to be assertive.)
    ***********

    Would you like lessons from me?

    I need to learn to be a little more passive and a lot less “Type A”

  226. Mark in Tampa May 4th, 2010 at 2:22 pm

    CB,

    They look similar, body-type wise. I think you are right Richard was @ 6-8. Jimenez looks about that tall, but obviously it is hard to tell on TV. Once Richard got his pitches under control at age 26, he was nearly untouchable. Over the 4 1/2 years prior to his stroke, he had 328 more IP than hits allowed, while striking out nearly a batter an inning, and a total ERA well under 3.00.

  227. mick May 4th, 2010 at 2:23 pm

    Last night Kay and Leiter brought out their multitude of candies just when CC was throwing his little fit on the mound.

    Great timing and almost as relevant as showing their photos every game, no matter how much ‘The Voice of the Yankees” loves to look at himself.

    But, that’s entertainment.

  228. CB May 4th, 2010 at 2:23 pm

    Jimenez has struggled with his control in the past. Not as great as Ryan did but it’s been a major factor in Jimenez’s development.

    One of the reasons why Jimenez had a such a good year last year was that his control really took a nice lead forward. This year he’s maintained that and I think it’ll continue to get better.

    His no hitter was interesting. He walked 6. At some point in the game he stopped using his wind up and pitched from the stretch even with no one on base because it reduced the number of moving parts he was dealing with.

  229. champ809 May 4th, 2010 at 2:24 pm

    JR Richard was taller and lankier and all legs and long arms….he was LIGHTS OUT!!!!

  230. blake May 4th, 2010 at 2:24 pm

    Ubaldo is unbelieveable…97 Coming out of a big mess of knees and elbows. As has been said before the long arm action and ability to hide the ball makes it probably seem like 110.

  231. muffinstump May 4th, 2010 at 2:26 pm

    # Doreen – GTLU Standings, Updates, Calendar & Rules May 4th, 2010 at 2:11 pm

    muffinstump -

    Not to worry – you’ve got plenty of company! :lol:
    ******************************

    as long as erica is down there with me, i’d deal, lol.

  232. m May 4th, 2010 at 2:26 pm

    I tried to read RAB’s page on wOBA. But this is the only part that was absorbed:

    Unlike all-in-one stats like WAR and WARP3, wOBA doesn’t try to tell us everything. What it does try to tell us is the value of a player’s offensive contribution.

    :(

  233. Giuseppe Franco May 4th, 2010 at 2:27 pm

    I don’t know, Stuckey. It will be interesting how this battle shakes out.

    But I do know this…

    Romine might be the better defender and a very good hitting catcher in his own right. But he’s in Double A and Montero was the guy promoted to Triple A because of his bat.

    And that’s despite Montero missing most of the second half of 2009 after annihilating Double A pitching.

    I’m not taking one side or the other. I’m just expecting Montero to be the #1 guy behind the plate based on what the organization has done in the past and how Romine has always seemed to be Montero’s caddy.

  234. Torro May 4th, 2010 at 2:27 pm

    stuckey,

    I agree, but then what do we do with Romine if Montero can indeed play a Posada-esque catcher?

  235. CB May 4th, 2010 at 2:28 pm

    Mark-

    I agree with you – Jimenez looks huge out on the mound. When you mentioned Richard I looked up Jimenez’s height figuring he’d be around 6’5 or 6’6. He’s 6’4. That surprised me. Hughes is taller.

    Jimenez is very muscular – his shoulder in particular.

    It’s a real shame about what happened to Richard. I remember the first time I read about him as a kid – it was just a heartbreaking story. I mean – a stroke? That’s just so out of the blue and sad.

    Great pitchers being felled by injuries isn’t uncommon. But like Score and Dean or countless others with arm injuries it’s usually something game related.

    A stroke. Just so strange.

    His production once he hit his mid 20′s, as you noted, was fantastic.

  236. NYY626 May 4th, 2010 at 2:28 pm

    Jetes SS
    NJ DH
    Tex 1B
    Alex 3B
    Cano 2B
    Swisher RF
    Thames LF
    Cervelli C
    GGBG CF

    Thanks Doreen!

  237. John May 4th, 2010 at 2:29 pm

    Franco -

    Agree. Montero has always been the better prospect and if he proves he can be a capable catcher (and the Yanks are giving him every opportunity to do so), that is where he will be.

  238. Erica - always OPPC - Sesame Street Mafia and GTLU supporter May 4th, 2010 at 2:29 pm

    muffinstump May 4th, 2010 at 2:26 pm

    as long as erica is down there with me, i?d deal, lol.
    **************

    Awwwwwwww-
    btw- I am buying some of my friends muffin tops on Friday for breakfast. Sorry dude :-(

  239. mick May 4th, 2010 at 2:29 pm

    Is it fair to say Montero is on the faster track to the Bigs, say a year ahead of Romine?

    This would give him the chance to prove himself and if he is lacking back there then go to Plan B?

  240. pat May 4th, 2010 at 2:30 pm

    Doreen

    Good for you. You can’t take care of everyone else unless you take care of yourself.

  241. Tyler May 4th, 2010 at 2:30 pm

    SS Jeter
    DH Johnson
    1B Tex
    3B Arod
    2B Cano
    RF Swisher
    LF Thames
    CF Gardner
    C Cervelli

  242. Frank & Beans Still believe in Javi May 4th, 2010 at 2:30 pm

    GTLU Yankees VS Brian Matusz No big history

    Derek Jeter SS .429 BA 3-7
    Nick Swisher RF 0-6
    Mark Teixeira 1B 2-5 1 RBI
    Alex Rodriguez 3B 1-5
    Robinson Cano 2B .333 BA 1 HR 1 RBI
    Marcus Thames LF 4-6 1 RBI
    Nick Johnson DH
    Francisco Cervelli C 1-3
    Brett Gardner CF 0-3

  243. MTU (aka GBURL) May 4th, 2010 at 2:31 pm

    Who says the Yankees have to part with either Romine or Montero ?

    Maybe they keep both and move Cervelli eventually ?

    Just a thought. ;)

  244. MTU (aka GBURL) May 4th, 2010 at 2:32 pm

    Meant to say “dont” have to part with. sorry.

  245. Erin May 4th, 2010 at 2:32 pm

    MTU (aka GBURL) May 4th, 2010 at 2:31 pm

    Maybe they keep both and move Cervelli eventually ?

    ************************

    :x

  246. uw7 May 4th, 2010 at 2:33 pm

    Derek Jeter SS
    Nick Johnson DH
    Mark Teixiera 1B
    ARod 3B
    Cano 2B
    Swish RF
    Thames LF
    Gardner CF
    Cerv C

  247. muffinstump May 4th, 2010 at 2:33 pm

    # Erica – always OPPC – Sesame Street Mafia and GTLU supporter May 4th, 2010 at 2:29 pm

    muffinstump May 4th, 2010 at 2:26 pm

    as long as erica is down there with me, i?d deal, lol.
    **************

    Awwwwwwww-
    btw- I am buying some of my friends muffin tops on Friday for breakfast. Sorry dude :-(
    *****************

    oh, i’m crushed! :cool:

  248. Jerkface May 4th, 2010 at 2:33 pm

    I tried to read RAB?s page on wOBA. But this is the only part that was absorbed:

    Unlike all-in-one stats like WAR and WARP3, wOBA doesn’t try to tell us everything. What it does try to tell us is the value of a player’s offensive contribution.

    Whats :( about that? Its pretty simple, wOBA doesn’t try to tell you anything about a players defense, it only includes the offensive contributions. And its real easy to see and immediately get because its like on base percentage, the higher the better, ~.330 is average, .400 is elite.

  249. hardwired May 4th, 2010 at 2:33 pm

    the saddest part about the J.R. Richard story was that he was accused by some on his own team of being a malingerer prior to his stroke.

    just a tragic story all around.

  250. Bronx Jeers May 4th, 2010 at 2:33 pm

    Nick,

    It’s hard for us not to notice that you do a fair amount of traveling around the Bay Area but I notice you never seem to go south of the city. Is this true? Is Milbrae out of my allotted area?

  251. MTU (aka GBURL) May 4th, 2010 at 2:34 pm

    Erin-

    Don’t be greedy you’ll always have robbie, right ? ;)

  252. Nick in SF May 4th, 2010 at 2:34 pm

    I should have saved the link to my ’9 catchers at once’ post.

    All wearing snuggies.

    :(

  253. Nick May 4th, 2010 at 2:35 pm

    That’s it for me !
    After tuning in Morning Joe on MSNBC, I’ll suffer it out by going to ESPN after hearing Mika Brzezinski say for the umpteenth time, ” I love the Red Sox.”

  254. m May 4th, 2010 at 2:36 pm

    Jerkface,

    It’s sad because everything went right over my head. But it’s nice to now, that for now, Gardner is sporting some mean wOBA. “Second in all the land”!

  255. Betsy - Hughes rules (Pleading the Fifth) May 4th, 2010 at 2:37 pm

    I’ve always been a big JR Richard fan, ever since my father got me his autograph when I was a kid. Houston fans should be ashamed of themselves for how they treated him – and then he almost died. I don’t know what he’s doing with himself now, but I wish I had seem him pitch.

  256. mick May 4th, 2010 at 2:37 pm

    Nobody loves the RS anymore. They no longer are lovable and the underdog. Winning has spoiled their charm. Welcome to our world. Except we are much better.

  257. stuckey May 4th, 2010 at 2:37 pm

    “I’m not taking one side or the other. I’m just expecting Montero to be the #1 guy behind the plate based on what the organization has done in the past and how Romine has always seemed to be Montero’s caddy.”

    Understood, but to be clear, I was going not on past history but the speculative notion that perhaps we’re witnessing the beginning of a breakout year for Romine.

  258. Frank & Beans Still believe in Javi May 4th, 2010 at 2:38 pm

    Dear Michael Kay

    I dont hate you.. that like everyone else. I am a not a P one…. you need to chill with the talking and let the other people in the booth speak.. BTW 2 other people in the booth with you.

    Dear Mike Francesa

    I hate you less than kay,,, Your the best on the Radio im a P one when I tune in.. I miss the angry puppy…

    Dear Erica… I love Ketshup too but not with freedom fries….

    Dear Chad ur awesome…

  259. Erin May 4th, 2010 at 2:39 pm

    MTU (aka GBURL) May 4th, 2010 at 2:34 pm
    Erin-

    Don?t be greedy you?ll always have robbie, right ?

    ***************************
    That’s true. :)

    But it depresses me to think of Cisco on another team. :(

  260. Not so much May 4th, 2010 at 2:39 pm

    “Swisher is a switch-hitter, 30 HR, .400 OBP guy.”

    High praise indeed for a guy who’s hit 30 homers once and owns a .358 OBP

  261. Betsy - Hughes rules (Pleading the Fifth) May 4th, 2010 at 2:39 pm

    Mark, Richard had 328 more innings pitched to hit? Wow….

  262. Shame Spencer May 4th, 2010 at 2:39 pm

    OK, here goes my GTLU:

    GTLU,

    SS Derek Jeter
    DH Nick Johnson
    1B Mark Teixeira
    3B Alex Rodriguez
    2B Robinson Cano
    RF Nick Swisher
    LF Marcus Thames
    CF Brett Gardner
    C Francisco Cervelli

    Thanks Doreen .. And not that I expect anyone to care but I prefer Paula Deane. Once I saw that woman fry butter I fell in love immediately.

  263. Phil Columbus May 4th, 2010 at 2:40 pm

    If things go right I can see Romine being a trading chip either this winter or the 2011 trade deadline. If he is a Posey,Wieters,Montero or Sanchez type prospect, he will have alot of trade value. Cervelli could be the back up to Montero.

  264. Nick in SF May 4th, 2010 at 2:40 pm

    Bronx Jeers: the majority of my local travels take me north or east, true, although I do visit Daly City (“The Gateway to the Peninsula”) quite often, including for dinner last night and to visit In-N-Out the day before — it’s directly south. I live in the southern part of the city and the 280 freeway is less than 5 minutes away, so I can get down there pretty quickly.

    I don’t usually go down as far as Millbrae, but I just passed through there on Friday.

    The stipulation of your prize was that it be within the city and county limits of the city, so I’m going to tentatively rule against Millbrae, but that is subject to change pending the nature of your photo subject down there.

  265. Patrick from CT May 4th, 2010 at 2:40 pm

    For all this catcher talk, the Yankees have a great tandom now and look good for the future.

    The Sox on the other hand are finding out that VMart should only spend about 1/3 of his games behind the dish. He does not hit when he is the everyday catcher; the Indians knew this, why the Sox didn’t is beyond me. The Sox made some big mistakes with there moves this off-season. They needed to resign Bay and get a catcher. Insted they spent $$ on a washed up 38 year old CF and a defence 3B that make more errors than can be counted.
    Good Job by their great GM…LOL

  266. Betsy - Hughes rules (Pleading the Fifth) May 4th, 2010 at 2:41 pm

    The saddest part about Richard’s story is that no one believed him when he said he wasn’t feeling well – the fans didn’t, and I don’t think the Astros did either. That still angers me to this day.

    Phil is a very big kid, but he doesn’t look it on the mound – maybe it’s because he’s really solidly built. AJ is an inch shorter, but he’s lankier and he looks tall on the mound.

  267. MTU (aka GBURL) May 4th, 2010 at 2:41 pm

    Stuckey-

    I think the timimg with respect to Montero and Romine allows for a perfectly staged progression to the majors with lot’s of options open to the the Yankee decision makers.

    Maybe they keep both Romine and Montero, and just move Cervelli.

    Who knows ?

  268. GreenBeret7 May 4th, 2010 at 2:41 pm

    Russo is playing in his 8th pro game in the outfield and his first as a center fielder.

    JR Richard is more like a right handed version of Randy Johnson. Big fastball and as nasty a slider as you’d ever see. Not as much of a side armer as Johnson but not as over the top as Seaver or Ryan…maybe 3/4 overhand.

  269. Betsy - Hughes rules (Pleading the Fifth) May 4th, 2010 at 2:41 pm

    :sad: at the idea of Romine being a trading chip.

  270. Nick in SF May 4th, 2010 at 2:42 pm

    “within the city and county limits of the city”

    Doh!

  271. John May 4th, 2010 at 2:42 pm

    GTLU

    Jeter SS
    NJ DH
    Tex 1B
    Rodriguez 3B
    Cano 2B
    Swisher RF
    Winn LF
    Cervelli C
    Gardner CF

  272. stuckey May 4th, 2010 at 2:42 pm

    “I agree, but then what do we do with Romine if Montero can indeed play a Posada-esque catcher?”

    Good question – perhaps go with a radical idea – co-catchers/DHs?

    Have them both split both duties equally, mitigate both long and short-term wear and tear?

    I’m not that serious, but it’s fun to ponder.

  273. Erin May 4th, 2010 at 2:43 pm

    Phil Columbus May 4th, 2010 at 2:40 pm

    Cervelli could be the back up to Montero.

    ***********************
    That sounds good to me! ;)

  274. Betsy - Hughes rules (Pleading the Fifth) May 4th, 2010 at 2:43 pm

    V-Mart is apparently throwing a lot better, so perhaps what happened earlier in the season was a fluke or he was just in a slump.

  275. hardwired May 4th, 2010 at 2:44 pm

    after his baseball career ended, Richard went through two divorces and some bad business deals.

    he ended up homeless, living under a bridge for a time.

    when I say ‘tragic’, I mean TRAGIC.

    (silver lining: he ended straightening out his life, to a certain degree, and became a minister.)

  276. Earl May 4th, 2010 at 2:44 pm

    Why would someone with the talent of Romine be regulated to a backup catcher?

    might as well trade him then. Certainly we can get something that will be more valuable to us than a backup catcher.

    Then again, Romine is prob. going to be traded if Montero stays at C anyway. Personally, I’d let Montero mash at DH and Romine be the everyday 2-way C.

  277. Erica - always OPPC - Sesame Street Mafia and GTLU supporter May 4th, 2010 at 2:45 pm

    Shame Spencer May 4th, 2010 at 2:39 pm

    Thanks Doreen .. And not that I expect anyone to care but I prefer Paula Deane. Once I saw that woman fry butter I fell in love immediately.
    ***********

    I think my arteries clogged just reading “fry butter”

  278. Nick in SF May 4th, 2010 at 2:45 pm

    Isn’t everyone ignoring the fact that Montero and Romine are both going to be moved to make way for… um… what’s that guy’s name… the 19 year old?

    /Brandon’d

  279. CB May 4th, 2010 at 2:46 pm

    There’s a decent chance that Romine gets traded. Might not happen this winter but it’s a real possibility.

    He’s accumulating significant value in a trade and the team might be able to use that to fill other needs.

  280. Jerkface May 4th, 2010 at 2:46 pm

    High praise indeed for a guy who?s hit 30 homers once and owns a .358 OBP

    Last 4 seasons, skipping his downyear in Chicago

    OBP: .372, .381, .371, (currently .390)
    HR: 35, 22, 29, 4 (but slugging .545)

    Swisher has elite isoD and elite power. He lacks the ability to hit for average, but if Kevin Long fixed him he might hit .280ish this year.

  281. Jerkface May 4th, 2010 at 2:47 pm

    That was very not-awesome of you, Nick.

  282. Phil Columbus May 4th, 2010 at 2:47 pm

    Betsy

    You will be even more sad knowing that he was homeless for a while, living under bridges in Houston. I think he is doing much better now, but he had lost everything.

  283. stuckey May 4th, 2010 at 2:48 pm

    “I think the timimg with respect to Montero and Romine allows for a perfectly staged progression to the majors with lot’s of options open to the the Yankee decision makers. ”

    MTU, I agree.

    Assuming his bat comes around, Montero has the luxury of only being required to catch part-time next year, in which many of his question marks will be answered one way or another.

    If answer affirmatively, then in 2012 Montero will move up to the prime position and Romine can assume the role Montero had the year before.

    Then if all goes to plan, the Yankees have a decision to make in 2013…

  284. Dassit May 4th, 2010 at 2:48 pm

    Imagine if Tabata would still be in the organization. I bet Brandon would be moving to Scranton to see his dream outfield Curtis-Golson-Tabata.

  285. MTU (aka GBURL) May 4th, 2010 at 2:48 pm

    CB-

    I don’t think they dare trade Romine until they are sure what they have in Montero at C.

  286. Warning Track Power May 4th, 2010 at 2:48 pm

    Betsy-If A. Jackson(#1 Yankee Prospect) can be traded, anything down in the minors
    is eligible to be traded.
    Who knows, Romaine can land is a very good player or two that might help the Yankees win another World Series or two.

  287. m May 4th, 2010 at 2:48 pm

    stuckey,

    That idea is not so radical. :)

    # m May 4th, 2010 at 1:30 pm

    Romine and Montero could be 1 and 1A at catcher.

    Then everyone can be happy. :)

  288. Mark in Tampa May 4th, 2010 at 2:48 pm

    “JR Richard is more like a right handed version of Randy Johnson.”

    Except JR was more intimidating.

    Betsy, that was just in the 4 1/2 years before his stroke when he was at his best. He was closer to 400 more IP than hits allowed over his entire career.

  289. Frank & Beans Still believe in Javi May 4th, 2010 at 2:49 pm

    Lets trade Montero to the Red Suxs for Lester or Youkilis.

    They need a catcher.. we can take a great player in return…

    LOL….

    Just playing.. I wouldnt trade my mother in law to the sux

  290. Tom in NJ May 4th, 2010 at 2:49 pm

    This is why we should not have signed Teix!

    He’s going to keep Montero from moving to first base!

    /Lohud November ’08′d

  291. CB May 4th, 2010 at 2:49 pm

    Swisher doesn’t have elite power. Come on. That word gets thrown around way too often. I don’t even know if I’d say Mark Teixeira has elite power.

    And Swisher isoD is misleading because it’s in part driven by his poor career batting averages.

  292. Uncle Ellsworth May 4th, 2010 at 2:50 pm

    Romine StartingC/1b/DH/RtF
    Montero C/DH
    Cisco C/Infield/Outfield backup
    just throwin it out there
    if you are looking to save money over the first few years of their careers

  293. Nick in SF May 4th, 2010 at 2:50 pm

    But it would be awesome if they were traded for… wait for it… Jonathan Sanchez.

  294. Phil Columbus May 4th, 2010 at 2:50 pm

    Romine,Nova and Melancon (or someone like him) for Grienke. That’s the kind of trade I’m talking. :)

  295. MTU (aka GBURL) May 4th, 2010 at 2:51 pm

    Uncle-

    You read my mind.

    I like it. :)

  296. mick May 4th, 2010 at 2:51 pm

    GTLU

    Jeter SS
    NJ DH
    Tex 1B
    Rodriguez 3B
    Cano 2B
    Swisher RF
    Winn LF
    Cervelli C
    Gardner CF

    =======================================
    How could you leave off the Lefty-killing Marcus Thames?

  297. Betsy - Hughes rules (Pleading the Fifth) May 4th, 2010 at 2:51 pm

    I’d better not get too attached to Romine….sigh

  298. Elias_In_NH May 4th, 2010 at 2:51 pm

    Doreen–
    SS Jeter
    DH Johnson
    1B Teixeira
    3B Alex Rodriguez
    2B Robbie Cano
    RF Swisher
    LF Winn
    C Cervelli
    CF GGBG
    Thanks
    Elias

  299. m May 4th, 2010 at 2:52 pm

    I think the name you were looking for was Gary Sanchez, Brandon. ;)

  300. Tom B - The Phranchise Starts in 2010 May 4th, 2010 at 2:52 pm

    m – i just checked that stat and its true, Gardner has a 100% In-Zone contact percentage… insane.

  301. Frank & Beans Still believe in Javi May 4th, 2010 at 2:52 pm

    Tom in NJ May 4th, 2010 at 2:49 pm
    This is why we should not have signed Teix!

    He’s going to keep Montero from moving to first base!

    /Lohud November ‘08?d
    ________________________________________________

    Put the crack pipe down….. Tex is awesome he has saved million errors made Jeter a gold glove winr again

  302. mick May 4th, 2010 at 2:52 pm

    Doreen, I already posted. That was someone else’s lineup, didn’t want to foul you up, sorry.

  303. m May 4th, 2010 at 2:52 pm

    Hey, no trade talk until Chip shows up. j/k, chip.

  304. CB May 4th, 2010 at 2:53 pm

    “I don’t think they dare trade Romine until they are sure what they have in Montero at C.”

    I agree but I think there’s probably some fuzziness about “sure” in this context and it also depends on what Romine would bring back in a trade.

    I think the yankes will only be worried about whether or not they feel it’s reasonable to expect Montero to catch for 5 years or so. If they feel that way I think they may likely trade Romine.

  305. Betsy - Hughes rules (Pleading the Fifth) May 4th, 2010 at 2:53 pm

    Phil, that’s depressing, but at least he’s ok now….

    I hope the Yankees don’t trade him. Who knows? Maybe Montero will prove to be somewhat unworkable at C and Romine will break out offensively? It’s way too early, but I hope it’s not a given that the Yankees would trade Austin.

  306. Erin May 4th, 2010 at 2:54 pm

    Uncle Ellsworth May 4th, 2010 at 2:50 pm
    Romine StartingC/1b/DH/RtF
    Montero C/DH
    Cisco C/Infield/Outfield backup

    ************************
    Uncle E, I like the way you think! :)

  307. Wave Your Hat May 4th, 2010 at 2:54 pm

    The Yanks are going to give Montero every chance to be the everyday catcher in 2012.

    That means that if Montero doesn’t make the majors in 2011 (as a catcher), he’s going to be the everyday catcher at Scranton.

    That means Romine is blocked for the next few years, either permanently with the Yanks (if Montero can catch at a major league level) or for as long as it takes for Montero to show he can’t catch at the major league level. The Yanks aren’t going to jump Romine over AAA to the majors.

    So you can draw your own conclusions what the Yanks are likely to do.

  308. Betsy - Hughes rules (Pleading the Fifth) May 4th, 2010 at 2:54 pm

    Mark ,that’s ridiculous; I can’t even wrap my head around that, lol

  309. MTU (aka GBURL) May 4th, 2010 at 2:54 pm

    The yankees seem to be trying to multi-position some of their prospects so who knows how it all pans out, eh ?

    Just look at Cervy, and Russo as examples.

    Maybe Romine follows suit.

    It provides flexibility and value.

    A good thing. :)

  310. m May 4th, 2010 at 2:55 pm

    Tom B (and Jerkface),

    Thanks for that. That’s quite the feat. I knew he went on that long streak of not swinging and missing, but a 100% contact rate in the zone? Wowza.

  311. Erica - always OPPC - Sesame Street Mafia and GTLU supporter May 4th, 2010 at 2:55 pm

    Nick in SF May 4th, 2010 at 2:50 pm
    But it would be awesome if they were traded for? wait for it? Jonathan Sanchez.

    ************

    Somewhere out there, Brandon Awesome’s ears are ringing

  312. DB May 4th, 2010 at 2:56 pm

    Buzzer beater

    GTLU
    SS Jeter
    RF Swisher
    1B Tex
    3B ARod
    2B Cano
    DH Thames
    CF Gardner
    LF Wynn

  313. CB May 4th, 2010 at 2:57 pm

    As an aside, Montero has thrown out 6 of the last 10 runners who have tried to steal off of him and a few of those runners include former major leaguers Joey Gathraight (who can fly) and Corey Patterson.

    It’s hard to judge caught stolen rates in the minors because the pitchers are often terrible at holding runners on but it’s good to see Montero throw some runners out. The first 17 runners to attempt steals on Scranton were successful, though much of that does seem to be on the pitchers.

  314. DB May 4th, 2010 at 2:58 pm

    duh, forgot Cervelli

    GTLU
    SS Jeter
    RF Swisher
    1B Tex
    3B ARod
    2B Cano
    DH Thames
    C Cervelli
    CF Gardner
    LF Wynn

  315. MTU (aka GBURL) May 4th, 2010 at 2:58 pm

    CB-

    points well taken but I was just want to say how foolish the Yankees might look if they don’t make sure even if it’s with just a five year window.

    They have the absolute and exquisite luxury of being able to find out exactly what they have in montero before any move with either Romine or cervy needs to be contemplated.

    How great is that ? :)

  316. Doreen - GTLU Standings, Updates, Calendar & Rules May 4th, 2010 at 2:59 pm

    mick -

    Thanks – I thought you had, so I looked you up. :)

  317. Mark in Tampa May 4th, 2010 at 2:59 pm

    I was looking up the Yankee captains a few weeks ago after seeing a trivia queation, and came across this humorous story:
    “On May 25, 1922, Babe Ruth lost the captaincy of the Yankees, was suspended from the game, and fined $200 by Ban Johnson. During the game, which was played versus the Senators at the Polo Grounds, Ruth was thrown out at second base by an outfielder. Ruth disagreed with the call and threw dirt into the face of umpire George Hildebrand who promptly ejected Ruth. On the way to the dugout, a fan called Ruth a “lowdown bum and other names that got me mad” so he attacked the fan in the stands as well.”

    And people decry the player-fan relationship today. Can you imagine if Arod ever did even one of those transgressions? Ruth was only the captain for 5 days.

  318. stuckey May 4th, 2010 at 2:59 pm

    “i just checked that stat and its true, Gardner has a 100% In-Zone contact percentage… insane.”

    The guy really has the ability to start his swing late. We might be looking at a very big surprise if the Long can manage to help him from breaking into old habits for extended periods.

  319. mick May 4th, 2010 at 2:59 pm

    Doreen, kudos.

  320. Nick in SF May 4th, 2010 at 3:00 pm

    Chip?

    Ok, all the catchers except Gary Sanchez for Manny.

    (thanks, m)

  321. Uncle Ellsworth May 4th, 2010 at 3:00 pm

    when people mention Montero I picture a guy that looks more like Prince or the Panda – due to programming – Then I recall the photos and seeing him in person in Spring T. He’s not a leviathan – just a big frame like Mauer or Wieters maybe a little bigger

  322. CountryClub May 4th, 2010 at 3:00 pm

    What Romine is doing this yr isnt all that surprising. Montero gets all the hype (deservedly so), but most people have been well aware of Romine. He had a very good yr last yr and won the Player of the Year in his league. He’s a legit gap hitter with power that projects to 15 – 25 hr’s. His only negative on offense has been his low walk totals. But he’s only 21 and he has gotten slightly better in that regard each yr he’s played.

    And most scouts project him to be above avg behind the plate. If Montero and Romine both continue to develop, it will be a pleasant problem for the Yanks to have.

  323. Warning Track Power May 4th, 2010 at 3:00 pm

    Phil-I would applaud that trade.
    Tell Cash I said hello, LOL

  324. rodg12 May 4th, 2010 at 3:01 pm

    GTLU

    Jeter SS
    Gardner CF
    Tex 1B
    ARod 3B
    Cano 2B
    Swisher RF
    Thames DH
    Cervelli C
    Winn LF

  325. murphydog May 4th, 2010 at 3:01 pm

    Re: JR Richard

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/J._R._Richard

  326. MTU (aka GBURL) May 4th, 2010 at 3:01 pm

    Uncle-

    He would make a good Linebacker except for the lack of footspeed.

  327. mick May 4th, 2010 at 3:01 pm

    Uncle-
    The sound of the ball off the bat of Jesus is unmistakeable, agreed?

  328. Bronx Jeers May 4th, 2010 at 3:02 pm

    Alright, those were the rules so what can I do.

    I guess I’m going to have to go with the bar at the Gold Mirror. I spent a lot of time there as a bored 5 year old chatting up a certain Russian female bartender and I haven’t been there since.

    I know they did a re-modeling recently but I’ll assume they did not change the bar. And If I can get specific I’d ask for the area near the brass service rings or at least get them in the shot.

  329. CB May 4th, 2010 at 3:02 pm

    MTU-

    True as well. They do need to have a high degree of certainty.

    But part of what they’ll do with Romine is going to depend also on how they feel about the younger catchers in the system as well.

    For example, Gary Sanchez is very far away but he’s the most talented international position player they’ve signed since Montero.

  330. Doreen - GTLU Standings, Updates, Calendar & Rules May 4th, 2010 at 3:02 pm

    Guess The Line Up is now Closed. Thank you all for playing.

    The following people submitted lineups – it’s a looooong list, but make sure your name is on it, and if it is not, please let me know. Thanks.

    upstate
    Erin
    kd
    MTU
    Patrick from CT
    RayVT
    Roger(National Memorial Day)
    the gay Yankee fan
    Joekuh
    Dave F
    Phil Columbus f
    IDCWYT
    Fran (the original)
    Erica
    mick
    SAS
    Warning Track Power
    Y 27
    Joe from Long Island
    muffinstump
    antisocial scrooge
    Mike_Boston
    UnKnown
    miggs
    champ809
    NYY626
    Tyler
    Frank & Beans
    uw7
    Shame Spencer
    John
    Elias_In_NH
    DB

  331. Phil Columbus May 4th, 2010 at 3:03 pm

    Wave Your Hat May 4th, 2010 at 2:54 pm
    The Yanks are going to give Montero every chance to be the everyday catcher in 2012

    I think you will see Montero splitting time in 2011. If he doesn’t break camp with the team out of spring , he will be called up after the date that delays thier arbitration another year(whatever that date is). Montero/Cervelli with Jorge DHing. That is provided everything pans out as we all want it to with Montero sticking as a catcher.

  332. stuckey May 4th, 2010 at 3:03 pm

    “The Yanks are going to give Montero every chance to be the everyday catcher in 2012.

    That means that if Montero doesn’t make the majors in 2011 (as a catcher), he’s going to be the everyday catcher at Scranton.”

    Eh, only way I see that happening if his bat keeps him down, in which case, a significant amount of his luster is lost. Not that I expect that to happen.

    But if he hits enough to justify promotion, I have a hard time seeing the Yankees keeping him in AAA to work on his catching. They will afterall very likely have a need/opening for a high-end bat in 2011.

  333. Warning Track Power May 4th, 2010 at 3:03 pm

    Regarding Winn:
    Did he finally become “a true Yankee” with his performance last night?

  334. Erica - always OPPC - Sesame Street Mafia and GTLU supporter May 4th, 2010 at 3:04 pm

    Warning Track Power May 4th, 2010 at 3:03 pm
    Regarding Winn:
    Did he finally become ?a true Yankee? with his performance last night?
    ********

    :lol:

  335. m May 4th, 2010 at 3:04 pm

    http://espn.go.com/mlb/stats/b.....asontype=2

    Interesting leaderboard. The noted differences are the top guy has an inordinate amount of strikeouts and the second place guy has more HR.

  336. Nick in SF May 4th, 2010 at 3:04 pm

    What was the Millbrae option? I might like that better.

  337. CB May 4th, 2010 at 3:06 pm

    MTU-

    One other thing – with a player like Romine – if he’s able to have any real success at the major league level even in part time play – his trade value will sky rocket.

    If at all possible it would be advantageous for the yanks to trade romine after calling him up as it is.

  338. Brandon's Awesome (B/c my AWESOMENESS still doesn't believe in Randy Winn) May 4th, 2010 at 3:07 pm

    WELCOME TO THE BRONX GOLSON!!!

    Now just play D and run those bases while adding pop here and there.

  339. Uncle Ellsworth May 4th, 2010 at 3:07 pm

    yes Mick

    nice too have the luxury of discussing how many catching prospects are in the pipeline.

  340. CountryClub May 4th, 2010 at 3:07 pm

    The Yanks are going to give Montero every chance to be the everyday catcher in 2012.

    That means that if Montero doesn’t make the majors in 2011 (as a catcher), he’s going to be the everyday catcher at Scranton.

    That means Romine is blocked for the next few years, either permanently with the Yanks (if Montero can catch at a major league level) or for as long as it takes for Montero to show he can’t catch at the major league level. The Yanks aren’t going to jump Romine over AAA to the majors.

    So you can draw your own conclusions what the Yanks are likely to do.

    ————————-

    While I understand your point, it’s not unheard of for players to jump from AA. It happens a lot now a days. I’m not saying Romine would do this if your scenario played out, but it’s at least possible that he could make the jump in mid 2011 if there’s a legit need and the Yanks don’t think Jesus is ready..

  341. Wave Your Hat May 4th, 2010 at 3:07 pm

    stuckey and Phil Columbus-

    My point wasn’t where Montero will be in 2011 – we all hope he can catch and will be with the Yanks as Jorge’s understudy – my point was where Romine won’t be. Which is why I think Romine just treads water until Montero’s situation is known, at which point Romine will be either promoted (if Montero can’t catch) or traded (if Montero can). It’s just a sequential decision I think and unfortunately for Romine his fate is determined last.

  342. MTU (aka GBURL) May 4th, 2010 at 3:08 pm

    CB-

    It’s an embarassment of riches at Catcher.

    The yankees are sitting (no pun intended) on a goldmine.

    They ought to be able to parlay some of that into something good.

    And their options remind one of a kid in a candy store.

    Absolutely awesome.

    Gotta run for now. Enjoyed chatting. Catch you later (how apropos). :)

  343. Betsy - Hughes rules (Pleading the Fifth) May 4th, 2010 at 3:08 pm

    It’s definitely a nice problem to have re: Romine and Montero. I’m not going to bother thinking that far ahead; I’m just going to root like heck for him to do well this year and hope he stays with the organization. I had good luck when I crossed my fingers about Phil not being traded, so maybe this will work, too (no, I’m not comparing the two).

  344. rodg12 May 4th, 2010 at 3:09 pm

    Doreen -
    Does mine count??

  345. Jerkface May 4th, 2010 at 3:09 pm

    CB,

    Nick Swisher had the 17th highest isoP last year. I’d say that puts him in good company.
    His BB% the his career: 11%, 10.5%, 14.4%, 15.2%, 13.9%, 16%

    isoD is not batting average driven, its merely OBA – AVG. Its the pure component of OBA thats driven by walks and HBP.

    Nick Swisher was 7th in BB% last season.

    Thats elite. He is not an ELITE player. But he has two very good skills that are held back by his lack of speed and lack of average hitting.

  346. Erin May 4th, 2010 at 3:09 pm

    BloggingBombers Judging by the flags whipping loudly above the Stadium, this could be a long night for Burnett and Matusz. #HomeRunDerby

    Ledger_Yankees And the rain starts falling at the Stadium, as the O’s taking some early BP.

  347. Doreen - GTLU Standings, Updates, Calendar & Rules May 4th, 2010 at 3:10 pm

    Rodg12 -

    I added you since you posted a lineup before I closed the game.

    :)

  348. GreenBeret7 May 4th, 2010 at 3:10 pm

    There’s no real reason to trade Romine. He’s the more athletic of the two (Montero), but, Montero is no slug. His defense is picking up. He’s had two jarring colllisions at the plate in the last two weeks and has come out on top both times. Both were short hop catches while
    blocking the plate and making the tags. He’s thrown out 6 of the last 10 base runners trying to steal. a little too soon to decide Montero’s unable to catch.

    Romine and Montero would/could both get in their share of catching. Romine has to good of a bat to trade off. It makes more sense to have him play some corner outfield and corner infield than to trade him for a one position player. I think that Montero could play a little right/left field from time to time in places that don’t have huge outfields. NYY has a long history of carrying 3 catchers, all of whom played multiple positions.

  349. Betsy - Hughes rules (Pleading the Fifth) May 4th, 2010 at 3:11 pm

    AJ, throw lots of 2-seamers today, lol

  350. LGY May 4th, 2010 at 3:12 pm

    IMO people are underestimating the value Montero could bring with the bat to the C position and overestimating a bit how much Romine’s supposed better defense closes that gap.

    I believe CB has said Montero has an 80 bat (correct me if I am wrong) and if you can put that at catcher, your team is on a whole other level in terms of roster construction.

    The Yankees put Montero on the table for Halladay. Romine does not need to be traded for another prospect and he could very well be put out there for a SP for example at some point in the near future.

  351. G. Love May 4th, 2010 at 3:13 pm

    What would be the ultimate Cash gangster move would be to cook up a 3 team trade wherein we trade Romine to SD and help Adrian Gonzales go to any team other than Boston while addressing our needs with whoever that 3rd team may end up being.

    I think Theo would quit and focus on his garage band full time if that happened.

  352. blake May 4th, 2010 at 3:13 pm

    Hey maybe the Yanks can trade Romine for John Lester…I heard Boston needs a catcher :)…kidding of course but it does have to be salt it the Sox wounds to know that the Yankees have so many promising players in their system at a position that’s literally killing them right now.

  353. Erin May 4th, 2010 at 3:13 pm

    Ledger_Yankees There’s hella wind here. All of it blowing out. They might need to give helmets away in the bleachers.

  354. CB May 4th, 2010 at 3:13 pm

    One of the most effective combination’s any pitcher can have is a plus fastball complemented by a plus change up.

    One of the most promising young players the yankees have in that vein is Jose Ramirez. He might be the pitcher in the system with the best chance to be “special.”

    He’s in low A but has terrific stuff and is dominating down there. He’s only 20. He has a very good fastball – 92-94 and a fantastic change up. In addition he’s still not mature physically – he’s still very thin and probably has an opportunity to add velocity. His third pitch still isn’t there but he’s working on a curve.

    Blogging Baseball is written by a fellow who watches a lot of Sally league games including quite a few low A yankee games.

    RAB linked to a post they had on Ramirez – it was a great read:

    “Jose Ramirez.

    During my two-plus years of religious attendance at Charleston RiverDogs’ games, I don’t think I’ve seen a better product come through this system….

    Sitting at 80-83 miles per hour, Ramirez’s changeup is as advanced as any pitcher’s I’ve ever seen, at any minor league level. With his motion, you can’t tell the difference between his fastball, which ranges from from 89-93 and routinely touches 94, and his changeup. At this level, the batters are completely overpowered, overmatched, and overwhelmed.”

    http://bloggingaboutbaseball.c.....k-yankees/

  355. stuckey May 4th, 2010 at 3:14 pm

    Wave, disagree slightly. I think Romine is in AAA in 2011 no matter what, with the ONE variable being if Montero doesn’t hit this year.

    I’m fairly well convinced Montero is slated to be a Yankee in 2011, regardless of defense. It’ll be as DH if he convinces the Yanks he can’t catch, as part-time catcher/most of the time DH if he either convinces them he can, or shows enough to keep it an open question.

  356. LGY May 4th, 2010 at 3:15 pm

    And to clarify, I am not saying the Yankees need to or even should trade Romine.

    Just that it is a realistic scenario.

    If Romine takes that next step in prospect land this year, it will be a great problem to have.

  357. Erica - always OPPC - Sesame Street Mafia and GTLU supporter May 4th, 2010 at 3:15 pm

    Erin May 4th, 2010 at 3:13 pm
    Ledger_Yankees There?s hella wind here. All of it blowing out. They might need to give helmets away in the bleachers.

    **********

    Home run derby at the stadium tonight???

  358. Phil Columbus May 4th, 2010 at 3:15 pm

    Betsy
    The thing about trading Romine or Montero is that the Yankees will be doing it from a position of power. If you look around baseball there aren’t alot of good hitting catchers in MLB. Unique situation for the Yanks. Might even be able to do Romine for Bucholz. LOL

  359. Nick in SF May 4th, 2010 at 3:15 pm

    ‘I think Theo would quit and focus on his garage band full time if that happened.’

    Right now I like Theo right where he is. :mad:

  360. m May 4th, 2010 at 3:16 pm

    GB7,

    Thanks for chiming in. You can see the wheels turning when they start throwing Cervelli out there @ 3B. All the permutations are going to make Girardi’s head explode.

    Is it to soon to project montero as a catcher? Like who would be he be closest to? I know he’s no Ivan Rodriquez, but is he closer to Posada? V-mart? Piazza?

  361. Doreen - GTLU Standings, Updates, Calendar & Rules May 4th, 2010 at 3:16 pm

    Okay, I don’t want to seem dumb but what does “hella” mean and what is it’s origin?

  362. G. Love May 4th, 2010 at 3:17 pm

    Nick,

    I agree. As soon as I wrote that, I instantly thought, “why would I want Theo to leave?”, lol. We need an edit button or a time machine. I’ll settle for either.

  363. Erin May 4th, 2010 at 3:18 pm

    Erica – always OPPC – Sesame Street Mafia and GTLU supporter May 4th, 2010 at 3:15 pm

    Home run derby at the stadium tonight???

    ************************
    This could be an interesting game. ;)

  364. Nick in SF May 4th, 2010 at 3:18 pm

    http://www.urbandictionary.com.....term=hella

  365. Wave Your Hat May 4th, 2010 at 3:18 pm

    Nick Swisher was one of the best right fielders in baseball last year, and he’s one of the best this year. Not elite, but when one of the best right fielders in baseball just drops in your lap and on top of it you don’t have to pay him all that much, it seems kind of ungenerous to argue over whether he is elite or not.

  366. Brandon's Awesome (B/c my AWESOMENESS still doesn't believe in Randy Winn) May 4th, 2010 at 3:19 pm

    I read that too CB, Jose can touch 96 mph raw, he was holding back that game.

  367. Erica - always OPPC - Sesame Street Mafia and GTLU supporter May 4th, 2010 at 3:20 pm

    Erin-

    Quick Quiz for you-
    Earlier we were talking about Parenthood and Peter Krause on here.

    Peter Krause popped up on Beverly Hills 90210. What episode(s) was he in and who did he play???

    No cheating!

  368. Nick in SF May 4th, 2010 at 3:20 pm

    If there could be time machines, wouldn’t visitors from the future be winning GTLU every day?

  369. Betsy - Hughes rules (Pleading the Fifth) May 4th, 2010 at 3:20 pm

    http://espn.go.com/new-york/ra.....id=5086370

    Yesterday’s Yankees Insider podcast is on Phil Hughes – and it’s a good listen. Ryan Ruocco talked to Phil about his confidence…….and you really get the impression that Phil thinks he can get anyone out at anytime.

  370. m May 4th, 2010 at 3:20 pm

    If Swisher was faster, fans were would want to trade for him. :roll:

  371. ... May 4th, 2010 at 3:21 pm

    Hell of a contracted to helluva contracted to hella

  372. Doreen - GTLU Standings, Updates, Calendar & Rules May 4th, 2010 at 3:21 pm

    @Nick in SF -

    Thank you, sir. :)

  373. Jerkface May 4th, 2010 at 3:21 pm

    Nick,

    Do you think that time travel will be trivialized enough that future visitors will use it to win a blog game with no prizes?
    if it is that trivialized they are probably spending their time on better questions like the AFLAC trivia question or the postgame KGB trivia question.

  374. comet May 4th, 2010 at 3:22 pm

    Hope I can still get in on GTLU today Doreen. Just got in!

    Derek Jeter SS
    Marcus Thames DH
    Mark Teixeira 1B
    Alex Rodriguez 3B
    Robinson Cano 2B
    Nick Swisher RF
    Randy Winn LF
    Brett Gardner CF
    Francisco Cervelli C

    Thanks Doreen

  375. m May 4th, 2010 at 3:22 pm

    If there were time machines? I’m convinced Pat M is stuck in one. The Hot Tub Time Machine. :cry:

  376. Earl May 4th, 2010 at 3:22 pm

    If Swisher is the DH next year (With Crawford-Gardner-Grandy in the OF), then there is no place for Montero next year.

  377. Betsy - Hughes rules (Pleading the Fifth) May 4th, 2010 at 3:22 pm

    Phil, lol – that would be funny (I think?), lol.

    CB, thanks for the link; I look forward to reading that later. I dont’ want to get too excited, but it really sounds like Ramirez is the goods; I’ll just pray that he stays healthy.

  378. Tom B - The Phranchise Starts in 2010 May 4th, 2010 at 3:22 pm

    Cano, Gardner, Swisher (in that order) are our team leaders in wOBA. Come on Alex… I have money riding on you! :(

  379. Erin May 4th, 2010 at 3:23 pm

    Erica – always OPPC – Sesame Street Mafia and GTLU supporter May 4th, 2010 at 3:20 pm
    Erin-

    Quick Quiz for you-
    Earlier we were talking about Parenthood and Peter Krause on here.

    Peter Krause popped up on Beverly Hills 90210. What episode(s) was he in and who did he play???

    *****************************
    Wasn’t he Jay Thurman, former editor of the Blaze???

    I can’t remember what episodes he was in though. :(

  380. Wave Your Hat May 4th, 2010 at 3:23 pm

    stuckey-

    My view is that if the Yanks think Montero will be a major league catcher, but don’t think he’s ready to catch in the majors in 2011, they’ll let him catch full time in Scranton. They won’t call him up to DH or to let him “learn on the job”. The DH scenario is only if he can’t catch, and I don’t think the Yanks will make that decision so quickly.

  381. Doreen - GTLU Standings, Updates, Calendar & Rules May 4th, 2010 at 3:23 pm

    @ …

    Can I assume it’s a contraction born of texting?

  382. ... May 4th, 2010 at 3:23 pm

    Visitors from the future should bring gene therapy tech

  383. Betsy - Hughes rules (Pleading the Fifth) May 4th, 2010 at 3:24 pm

    The ‘hella” think is really stupid; I agree with Kyle and Stan from South Park…….that’s the first place I ever heard that term. Dumb.

  384. Erin May 4th, 2010 at 3:24 pm

    Tom B – The Phranchise Starts in 2010 May 4th, 2010 at 3:22 pm
    Cano, Gardner, Swisher (in that order) are our team leaders in wOBA. Come on Alex? I have money riding on you!

    **********************
    He’ll turn it around soon. After all, May is Alex Rodriguez month according to my NYY calendar. ;)

  385. Nick in SF May 4th, 2010 at 3:24 pm

    Jerkface: maybe they’re too busy going back in time to when the blog still had facebook links to find out which Thais and Indonesians were legitimate LoHud readers.

  386. Pags&Rags May 4th, 2010 at 3:24 pm

    I think Romine is the catcher of the future with Montero moving to RF. It’s the natural position for him to move without sacrificing a ton of defense. If you have Gardner/Carl Crawford in LF and Granderson patrolling CF for the next few years then you can expect Montero to start shagging fly balls in RF relatively soon.

    Because the Yankees aren’t going to turn a 22 year old kid into a DH and I’m not sure he’s competent enough to catch a veteran pitching staff like this. They need the DH role to be open with Posada, Jete and A-Rod entering their late 30s. I could see each of them playing two to three games at DH per week in the coming years until Jorge retires.

  387. ... May 4th, 2010 at 3:25 pm

    Doreen:
    It seems to be older than texting, according to urban dictionary. My assumption is that it’s another example of the natural contraction/slurring together of words that just happens over time.

  388. Erica - always OPPC - Sesame Street Mafia and GTLU supporter May 4th, 2010 at 3:25 pm

    Erica ? always OPPC ? Sesame Street Mafia and GTLU supporter May 4th, 2010 at 3:20 pm
    Erin-

    Wasn?t he Jay Thurman, former editor of the Blaze???

    I can?t remember what episodes he was in though.

    ***********

    Yes!!!!! Very impressive.

    He dated Andrea in the summer episodes between the 2nd and 3rd seasons who came between her and Brandon.

    I remember that, but I forget to make important work calls

  389. Nick in SF May 4th, 2010 at 3:25 pm

    “Hella” predates texting, IM’ing, and the mass use of the internet.

  390. Tom B - The Phranchise Starts in 2010 May 4th, 2010 at 3:26 pm

    Erin – got me one of those as well, the calendar this year is WAY nicer than last season.

  391. Jerkface May 4th, 2010 at 3:26 pm

    If Swisher is the DH next year (With Crawford-Gardner-Grandy in the OF), then there is no place for Montero next year.

    ????

    If you are really going with an outfield that doesn’t feature a true RF arm (which isn’t happening), then there is plenty of room for Montero

    C Montero
    1b Tex
    2b Cano
    SS Jeter (maybe)
    3b A-rod
    LF Crawford
    CF Granderson
    RF Gardner
    DH Swisher

    C Posada
    1b Tex
    2b Cano
    SS Jeter (maybe)
    3b A-rod
    LF Crawford
    CF Granderson
    RF Gardner
    DH Montero

    C Montero
    1b Swisher
    2b Cano
    SS Jeter (maybe)
    3b A-rod
    LF Crawford
    CF Granderson
    RF Gardner
    DH Tex

    C Posada
    1b Swisher
    2b Cano
    SS Jeter (maybe)
    3b A-rod
    LF Crawford
    CF Granderson
    RF Gardner
    DH Montero

    C Posada
    1b Tex
    2b Cano
    SS Jeter (maybe)
    3b A-rod
    LF Crawford
    CF Granderson
    RF Swisher
    DH Montero

    I call that last lineup “Thumper”

  392. Wave Your Hat May 4th, 2010 at 3:26 pm

    “Visitors from the future should bring gene therapy tech”

    Nah, they’ll be too distracted buying winning lottery tickets and getting down superfecta bets to do anything useful.

  393. CB May 4th, 2010 at 3:26 pm

    “Nick Swisher had the 17th highest isoP last year. I’d say that puts him in good company.”

    That’s good. It’s not elite. It’s not even close.

    And more pointedly Swisher only had the 44th highest Slugging Pct. That’s not even remotely elite.

    isoD can be very misleading for players like swisher.

    “isoD is not batting average driven, its merely OBA – AVG.”

    Sure it is. Batting average is part of the formula. isoD is a measure of spread so of course it’s influenced by batting average.

    In certain ways isoD is going to be biased towards players who are closer to “3 true outcome” players.

    Last year Swisher had a higher isoD than Alex Rodriguez. Why is that? It’s largely a function of Swisher hitting for so much lower a batting average than Alex.

    Alex’s batting average and slugging percentage were both higher than Swisher’s. But the artefact of isoD suggests that Swisher hit for “more power” than Alex.

    There’s no way Nick Swisher was a better power hitter in any significant dimension than Alex Rodriguez was. He just wasn’t. Not even close. This is just a function of how a very simple mathematical model was set up – and a mathematical model whose underlying construct is opaque.

  394. Doreen - GTLU Standings, Updates, Calendar & Rules May 4th, 2010 at 3:27 pm

    comet -

    I put you in, but absolutely no more lineups will be accepted. I am not paying 100% attention right now. :)

  395. Erica - always OPPC - Sesame Street Mafia and GTLU supporter May 4th, 2010 at 3:27 pm

    Visitors from the future should bring winning mega millions numbers!!!!

  396. Jerkface May 4th, 2010 at 3:27 pm

    Nick,

    Thanantasapol was hot, I wonder what happened to her. I hope her facebook wasn’t damaged by any tsunamis :(

  397. GreenBeret7 May 4th, 2010 at 3:27 pm

    Mel, I think you might see more of Cervelli playing 3rd or even a corner outfield spot….maybe first base late in a blowout game. They are starting to move the kids around more than ever before and doing so earlier.

    The only reason that Romine is in a league one classification behind Montero was because they were always linked to the same team, and they wanted to break that up. Montero had nothing to prove with his bat at any level, so they wanted to challenge him. It also gave him a chance to play where there was an experienced catching instructor. He got that at Scranton with Butch Wynegar.

    Romine’s bat is not yet at the Montero level, but, his glove and the footwork is so much better than before. I saw somebody mention his 19 errors in two years, but, 12 of those errors were on batter’s interference calls. He’s had none this year. Both have cut down on the passed balls this year, so far.

  398. Betsy - Hughes rules (Pleading the Fifth) May 4th, 2010 at 3:27 pm

    Boy, Ramirez is VERY thin……..

  399. Doreen - GTLU Standings, Updates, Calendar & Rules May 4th, 2010 at 3:28 pm

    @Nick in SF -

    Again, you are a font of info. :) Thanks.

  400. Phil Columbus May 4th, 2010 at 3:28 pm

    Nick
    Like how it is used in a sentence. Now I need to figure out what sketch means

    very, totally; lots of

    N.B. Generally used in Northern California.
    1. That party was hella sketch. What with all those skanky-a** girls.
    2. There was HELLA weed tho!

  401. stuckey May 4th, 2010 at 3:28 pm

    “I believe CB has said Montero has an 80 bat (correct me if I am wrong) and if you can put that at catcher, your team is on a whole other level in terms of roster construction.”

    Theoretically, but dependent on the premise that an ELITE bat for DH CAN be found, and at a roster-friendly price.

    Bear in mind the Yankees options this off-season were mainly two 35-plus players, one with bad knees and didn’t just want to DH, and one who played hardball contractually and probably really didn’t want to DH, and one with a medical history of his own, and each of them still cost better than $5m.

    Can you find productive DH’s more readily than elite hitting catchers? Of course, but if he truly is an 80 bat, an 80 bat at 6 cross-controlled years at ANY position) is quite the attractive option.

    And then you also have to spin Romine into something highly attractive too.

    Both possible, but very conditional.

    Together, they plus-plus at two of the 9 batting orders spots, and one defensive position, for 6 years at a relatively low cost, freeing up funds to pursue needs at OF and SP via free agency (few options will be available at SS, but they rarely are via any market).

  402. Erin May 4th, 2010 at 3:28 pm

    Erica – always OPPC – Sesame Street Mafia and GTLU supporter May 4th, 2010 at 3:25 pm

    Yes!!!!! Very impressive.

    He dated Andrea in the summer episodes between the 2nd and 3rd seasons who came between her and Brandon.

    I remember that, but I forget to make important work calls

    ************************
    Oh, of course the Paris episodes. How could I forget?

    I always laugh at Steve’s line to Brandon, “he’s the former editor of the Blaze, you know” Big Deal! LOL

    I’m the same way with remembering stuff like that. :)

  403. AL Duque May 4th, 2010 at 3:29 pm

    SS Jeter
    DH N. Johnson
    1B Tex
    3B Arod
    2B Cano
    RF Swish
    CF GGBG
    C Cervelli
    LF Thames

  404. Betsy - Hughes rules (Pleading the Fifth) May 4th, 2010 at 3:29 pm

    GB, that’s good stuff – thanks! I remember a few weeks ago, Mike Ashmore quoted a scout who was very impressed with Romine’s D.

  405. Erica - always OPPC - Sesame Street Mafia and GTLU supporter May 4th, 2010 at 3:29 pm

    Tom B – The Phranchise Starts in 2010 May 4th, 2010 at 3:26 pm
    Erin ? got me one of those as well, the calendar this year is WAY nicer than last season.

    *******************

    I had a ridiculously hard time getting the small wall calender this year.

    It ended with a nasty showdown and me screaming at a really nice lady from Calendars.com on the phone and umm- getting it for free :roll:

  406. LGY May 4th, 2010 at 3:29 pm

    I don’t think there is any reason to rush Montero next year if he is not ready defensively.

    If the Yankees still believe in him making it at catcher, but would benefit from catching everyday down in Scranton another year that is probably the best thing for the team short and long term.

    There is no need for his offense on the parent club next year. There will be DH’s available rather cheaply and they have a mutual option on NJ. Given typical rookie struggles, they would probably get more production from a free agent than Montero at DH.

    The reason to bring him up next year would be because his defense has advanced enough that the Yankees are confident transitioning him in slowly and learning from Posada, Girardi, Pena.

    He is the youngest player in AAA right now. Another year down there would not really be a big deal.

  407. Nick in SF May 4th, 2010 at 3:30 pm

    Jerkface,

    She wanted to go to the Phil Hughes Oakland start with me, but only if I wired her the money for the plane ticket.

    I did. :(

  408. m May 4th, 2010 at 3:30 pm

    GB7,

    Thanks for that. Does Romine have a nice smile like Jose Molina? There’s a vacancy in my orphanage. :)

  409. randy l. May 4th, 2010 at 3:32 pm

    what’s more important- a catcher who can throw well or a catcher who receives the ball well?

    i would say a catcher who throws well because another team can’t pick on a catcher who doesn’t frame well for example, but they can pick on the weak throwing arm at an opportune moment in a game.

    the weak receiving catcher may give up some runs to the other team, but the other team can’t predict when.

    this distinction may be important when the yankees decide who will catch for them in the future.

    once the defensive catching metrics are crunched a really good offensive catcher who throws well might be much more valuable than a good thrower/receiver who doesn’t hit much.

    if the offensively minded catcher doesn’t throw well and receive well, he’d likely not be the yankee starting catcher.

    bottom line, i think if montero throws well, with his offensive potential he’s the yankee starter when jorge gives up being the starter.

  410. Nick in SF May 4th, 2010 at 3:32 pm

    @Doreen: my first college roomie was from the Bay Area and he used ‘hella’ a teeny bit and some of his friends used it a lot. It’s hella old!

  411. Jerkface May 4th, 2010 at 3:33 pm

    CB,

    Wow, for once I think you don’t really understand or maybe we’re arguing different things. isoP is a direct measure of the power component of slugging. Players who hit more singles than Nick will have higher slugging. Just like players who hit more singles can have a higher OBP than Swisher.

    Swisher’s Isolated Discipline is not affected by his ability to hit singles. Swisher had a higher IsoD than A-rod because he walked more. That isn’t hard to figure out. Its literally how much you walk. If A-rod walked as much as Swisher his OBP would be way better. He only walked 15%, but because his average was higher his OBP was higher. However his isoD was lower. Because more of his OBP was derived from hitting.

    Batting average literally has nothing to do with IsoD

    If Swisher’s OBP is .200 and his AVG is 0, or if his OBP is .400 and his avg is .200, his IsoD is still 200.

    As for his power, Swisher had 45% of his hits go for extras in his career, which is the same as Tex and more than A-rod. I hope you understand that I do not think Swisher is a better overrall hitter than guys like A-rod or Tex, but he has 2 tools and they are very good. Its like how Brett Gardner has elite speed but isn’t an elite player.

  412. Bronx Jeers May 4th, 2010 at 3:34 pm

    “What was the Millbrae option? I might like that better.”

    I doubt you will Nick as again it’s just a case of connecting the dots for some very old personal memories but I’ll email you later. I don’t have the specifics with me. All I know is the end of Barcelona Drive.

  413. stuckey May 4th, 2010 at 3:35 pm

    “The DH scenario is only if he can’t catch, and I don’t think the Yanks will make that decision so quickly.”

    Disagree Wave. Even if Montero answer the questions about defense in the affirmative this year AND hits, I think he plays a lot of DH next year.

    Posada will still be under contract, and I don’t think they hand the ball to Montero every day and they don’t sit him on the bench either.

    I think the let him catch 50 games or so, carry Cervilli as a third catcher, have Montero DH another 80 games or more and also use the DH to spell some regulars, including Posada.

    I think EITHER way, there is a good chance Montero get more ABs at the DH than any other Yankee in 2011.

  414. Tom B - The Phranchise Starts in 2010 May 4th, 2010 at 3:36 pm

    that’s a bit oversimplified. isoD is Isolated Plate Discipline (OBP – AVG), and should only be used to show how much of their OBP is determined by walks instead of hits. isoP is Isolated Power (SLG – AVG), and determines how much of your SLG is attributed to extra bases (it is literally extra bases per at bat, with singles and individual hits removed from the SLG equation). I don’t think either should be used to “rank” players, but merely to isolate and give more detailed reason as to why X player has Y OBP or Z SLG%.

  415. Earl May 4th, 2010 at 3:37 pm

    Do we really need a RF arm in RF?

  416. Erica - always OPPC - Sesame Street Mafia and GTLU supporter May 4th, 2010 at 3:37 pm

    Nick in SF May 4th, 2010 at 3:30 pm
    Jerkface,

    She wanted to go to the Phil Hughes Oakland start with me, but only if I wired her the money for the plane ticket.

    I did.
    **************

    Next time you get the urge to wire people money……… remember me :-)

  417. Rishi May 4th, 2010 at 3:37 pm

    BryanHoch OF Greg Golson in Yankees clubhouse.
    2 minutes ago via txt

  418. Jay May 4th, 2010 at 3:37 pm

    You really think Jorge is just going to go quietly into the night and split time with Montero next year?

    Good luck with that.

  419. tex's friend May 4th, 2010 at 3:38 pm

    jeter is dhing?

  420. Jerkface May 4th, 2010 at 3:38 pm

    Next time you get the urge to wire people money??? remember me

    Erica, I knew Thanatsanapol and you’re no Thanatsanapol.

  421. Erin May 4th, 2010 at 3:38 pm

    BryanHoch OF Greg Golson in Yankees clubhouse.

  422. Erin May 4th, 2010 at 3:38 pm

    Ledger_Yankees NYY lineup v BAL Jeter DH, Swisher 9, Teixeira 3, Rodriguez 5, Cano 4, Thames 7, Gardner 8, Cervelli 2, Pena 6, Burnett 1.

  423. Rishi May 4th, 2010 at 3:39 pm

    :arrow:
    new post with the lineup

  424. GreenBeret7 May 4th, 2010 at 3:39 pm

    m May 4th, 2010 at 3:30 pm
    GB7,

    Thanks for that. Does Romine have a nice smile like Jose Molina? There’s a vacancy in my orphanage.

    ———————————————————————————————————————-

    Romine is a very personable kid. Plays well with others…The exact opposite of danny Partridge.

    he’s a nice kid, and even Tabata was well behaved in Charleston. Torre Tyson held a close rein on the kids, there. All of them were especially good with the fans. As far as his “nice smile”, it wasn’t really looking for one.

  425. Erin May 4th, 2010 at 3:39 pm

    New Post: w/lineup

  426. Doreen - GTLU Standings, Updates, Calendar & Rules May 4th, 2010 at 3:40 pm

    @Nick in SF -

    Must have come across country via pony “express.” :)

    Guys – there’s a lineup up and you’re not gonna believe it!

  427. Wave Your Hat May 4th, 2010 at 3:40 pm

    stuckey-

    Name two players who came up as DH’s. It just isn’t done. I agree that the Yanks could use Montero as a DH only – it would save them a lot of salary which will be at a premium next year – but they won’t. He’ll either be the #2 catcher and the DH, with the #1 catching job his in 2012, or the full time catcher at Scranton. If it turns out Montero can’t catch, the Yanks won’t make that decision until after 2012 at the earliest, IMO.

  428. Yank 97 May 4th, 2010 at 3:41 pm

    If you split time with Montero and Romine at DH/C, why would Romine ever be the DH if he is that far superior defensively and Montero’s bat projects better at DH? Might as well make Montero the full-time DH and let the superior defensive player be the everyday catcher rather than splitting it.

  429. CB May 4th, 2010 at 3:41 pm

    Brandon-

    Ramirez is very good. As I said, plus fastball and plus change is a phenomenal combination. That’s what made Pedro in his prime so great.

    Much of Ramriez’s upside is going to depend on whether or not he picks up a tick or two if he adds weight. Some kids do. Some don’t.

    And he also needs to work on that curve ball. Or perhaps even better for him – work on a cutter.

    I think the yankees should be very patient with him and not promote him aggressively. He’s still not physically mature and needs to work on that third pitch.

  430. comet May 4th, 2010 at 3:49 pm

    Thanks Doreen!

  431. Shame Spencer May 4th, 2010 at 4:18 pm

    Erica -

    I watched the woman make Mac n’ Cheese.. let it rest overnight.. cut it into squares.. wrap the squares in bacon.. batter them up.. and fry them. It was enough to make me worship her.

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