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Andy Pettitte update

Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Misc on May 05, 2010 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

This is the latest from the Yankees regarding Andy Pettitte:

MRI results, taken today at NewYork-Presbyterian Hospital, on Andy Pettitte, revealed mild inflammation of his left elbow. It will be treated conservatively and will be evaluated on a daily basis at this point.

 
 

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490 Responses to “Andy Pettitte update”

  1. teddy gbu May 5th, 2010 at 6:05 pm

    i assume now javier pitches sunday

  2. Rich in NJ May 5th, 2010 at 6:06 pm

    It will depend on the amount of discomfort Pettitte feels.

  3. egggs May 5th, 2010 at 6:07 pm

    Oh well out 10 days.

  4. Macfan May 5th, 2010 at 6:07 pm

    “i assume now javier pitches sunday”

    +++++++++++++++++++++

    Why the rotation in Boston was

    Hughes
    Sabathia
    Burnett

    Pettitte isn’t scheduled until Tuesday after Vazquez on Monday in Detroit

  5. Erin May 5th, 2010 at 6:07 pm

    I like the word “mild”. lol

  6. Doreen - GTLU Standings, Updates, Calendar & Rules May 5th, 2010 at 6:07 pm

    Man.

  7. Betsy - Hughes rules (pleading the Fifth) May 5th, 2010 at 6:07 pm

    So what does this mean? Well, it’s not the worst news, but it’s sort of neither here nor there – kind of makes it hard to know how to deal with Andy going forward in terms of planning his starts?

  8. teddy gbu May 5th, 2010 at 6:08 pm

    macfan, my bad

  9. egggs May 5th, 2010 at 6:08 pm

    Has the red sox rotation suffered any injury set backs season, at all ?

  10. Fran (the original) May 5th, 2010 at 6:08 pm

    According to Michael Kay, Andy will miss at least 1 start.

  11. 97 Yank May 5th, 2010 at 6:08 pm

    What the hell does that mean?

    Why don’t these press release people put these injuries in layman’s terms and give a timetable?

  12. Macfan May 5th, 2010 at 6:09 pm

    “revealed mild inflammation of his left elbow”

    +++++++++++++++++++++

    Whew, just thank goodness they didn’t see any tearing of scar tissue or anything that was a recurrence of Andy’s elbow injury with Houston.

    Good to hear its just “mild” inflamation, could have been worse news.

  13. JJ May 5th, 2010 at 6:10 pm

    Wow… the first 2 days of the Detroit series is going to be rough

    Vazquez on Monday who has yet to pitch 6 full innings
    Mitre/callup on Tuesday

    The pen is going to be rocked. Hughes better pitch a CG on Wednesday during his start in the rotation.

  14. lulz May 5th, 2010 at 6:10 pm

    :site-wide panic subsiding:

  15. IA 8 May 5th, 2010 at 6:11 pm

    And let’s not forget that A-Rod is not 100% either.

    He has hit 2 HRs so far. When is the last time he hit 2 HRs in a month? 1994?

    He’s either injured or father time caught up to him quickly…

  16. MG May 5th, 2010 at 6:11 pm

    It’s ‘mild inflammation’, he could wake up on Friday feeling fine or could need a few extra days-maybe he’ll miss one turn, I doubt it would be more than that since his second scheduled start would be a week from Sunday.

  17. CB May 5th, 2010 at 6:11 pm

    This is good news. But it’s they may need to be careful with him for a while in terms of workload even after he comes back.

    Very fortunate CC, AJ and Hughes are pitching so well.

    It’s also good that they have Mitre to slot in. He’s throwing the ball much better than last season.

  18. Erin May 5th, 2010 at 6:11 pm

    lulz May 5th, 2010 at 6:10 pm
    :site-wide panic subsiding:

    *********************
    LOL

  19. Betsy - Hughes rules (pleading the Fifth) May 5th, 2010 at 6:12 pm

    At least one start? oy, lol

  20. Macfan May 5th, 2010 at 6:12 pm

    “Vazquez on Monday who has yet to pitch 6 full innings
    Mitre/callup on Tuesday

    The pen is going to be rocked. Hughes better pitch a CG on Wednesday during his start in the rotation.”

    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    Hey as long as Andy is healthy in the long term I’m more than willing to sacrifice a couple of wins.

  21. SJ44 May 5th, 2010 at 6:13 pm

    It means they don’t want to tell you the extent of the injury and ge will probably miss one start.

    If it’s not better in 5-6 days, they will DL him, back dated from today.

  22. m May 5th, 2010 at 6:13 pm

    Did they rule out structural damage? If so. Yay.

  23. Betsy - Hughes rules (pleading the Fifth) May 5th, 2010 at 6:13 pm

    Mitre has done well – too bad about the HR, but anyone can make a bad pitch. However, he’s not stretched out, so how many innings can he really go – 4? 5?

  24. Rich in NJ May 5th, 2010 at 6:13 pm

    Kay doesn’t know anything.

  25. JMK aka The Overshare May 5th, 2010 at 6:14 pm

    Vazquez really needs to get his act together and quit being a gutless coward

  26. m May 5th, 2010 at 6:14 pm

    Are you kidding? Yipp-ee gets blocked? I love how the Rated G words get stuck and the Rated R words fly right thru. :)

  27. Betsy - Hughes rules (pleading the Fifth) May 5th, 2010 at 6:15 pm

    I guess it’s good news, but I admit I hate the uncertainty; we don’t really know when Andy will be back.

  28. Macfan May 5th, 2010 at 6:15 pm

    “It’s ‘mild inflammation’, he could wake up on Friday feeling fine or could need a few extra days-maybe he’ll miss one turn, I doubt it would be more than that since his second scheduled start would be a week from Sunday.”

    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    Exactly sounds like something that is rest and treatment.

    At least we didn’t hear these words.

    DR. JAMES ANDREWS OF BIRMINGHAM, ALABAMA

    :) As long as you don’t hear his name, consider it a good thing.

  29. trisha - OPPC member who sees, hears, and knows all. 28 is on its way!!!!! May 5th, 2010 at 6:15 pm

    And this is why there are teeth in the saying “you can never have enough pitching” and there were 5 people competing for the 5th spot in the rotation.

    Both Mitre and Aceves are good for spot starts. If you have to, patch them together and call it a start!

  30. Y 27 May 5th, 2010 at 6:15 pm

    Austin Jackson and Damon are both going to hit 6-run HRs every AB during their “Cashman revenge tour” next week anyway, so its likely we were not going to win those games no matter who pitches.

  31. Rich in NJ May 5th, 2010 at 6:16 pm

    “Vazquez really needs to get his act together and quit being a gutless coward”

    Jeez…

  32. Betsy - Hughes rules (pleading the Fifth) May 5th, 2010 at 6:16 pm

    Kay is speculating that there’s a reason for the inflammation – perhaps a bone chip; he sounds kind of worried.

  33. Rishi May 5th, 2010 at 6:17 pm

    AndrewMarchand Cashman: Pettitte will likely miss next start. New story with test results soon. http://bit.ly/dkeUc1 #Yankees

  34. Erin May 5th, 2010 at 6:17 pm

    Macfan May 5th, 2010 at 6:15 pm

    Exactly sounds like something that is rest and treatment.

    At least we didn’t hear these words.

    DR. JAMES ANDREWS OF BIRMINGHAM, ALABAMA

    As long as you don’t hear his name, consider it a good thing.

    ***********************
    That is a very good thing. :)

  35. Macfan May 5th, 2010 at 6:17 pm

    “Kay doesn’t know anything.”

    ++++++++++++++++++++++++

    Kay is a big headed blowhard, if I have to hear about player superstitions one more time, or girl with the curl, or some other topic he gets started on and doesn’t stop when the game is going on, I will lose it.

    I actually mute Kay, especially when he starts on a subject and doesn’t stop while the game is going on.

  36. trisha - OPPC member who sees, hears, and knows all. 28 is on its way!!!!! May 5th, 2010 at 6:18 pm

    Erin, was there site-wide panic? Thank you Jesus that I missed it. If I went back and read, would I find a whole host of medical evaluations and even some calls that it could be season-ending?

    Did anybody say why don’t we just wait until we have more news before we start walking toward a bridge?

    :)

    A possible reason that they are not saying more is that they genuinely can’t say more because they just don’t know. You know that’s always in there are a possibility.

  37. Erin May 5th, 2010 at 6:18 pm

    Betsy – Hughes rules (pleading the Fifth) May 5th, 2010 at 6:16 pm
    Kay is speculating that there’s a reason for the inflammation – perhaps a bone chip; he sounds kind of worried.

    *************************
    Kay is such a drama queen. lol

  38. Matt May 5th, 2010 at 6:19 pm

    We start a stretch where we play 20 games against playoff-caliber teams, 13 of them on the road. I may be wrong, but I don’t think we have an off-day during this stretch either.

    Not a very good time to get all these injuries and have all these issues (Vazquez, Bullpen, etc.). Sox have a good opportunity to pick up ground on us and the Rays have a chance to build a nice cushion as well.

  39. Betsy - Hughes rules (pleading the Fifth) May 5th, 2010 at 6:20 pm

    Erin, I admit I’m not exactly happy right now….

  40. Uncle Ellsworth May 5th, 2010 at 6:20 pm

    Petitte watch 2010

  41. Macfan May 5th, 2010 at 6:20 pm

    “Kay is speculating that there’s a reason for the inflammation – perhaps a bone chip; he sounds kind of worried.”

    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    I rest my case about Micheal Kay, dude thinks he is the god in Yankee baseball on YES.

    Is Kay a doctor, does he have a medical degree, does he work at a hospital and treated Andy.

    This is what I mean about this guy. I only put up with him because I’m a Yankee fan.

  42. trisha - OPPC member who sees, hears, and knows all. 28 is on its way!!!!! May 5th, 2010 at 6:20 pm

    The LAST thing you pay attention to is speculation. In addition, Kay is known to be high drama.

    Just let it go until you hear anything futher from the Yankees.

  43. Erin May 5th, 2010 at 6:20 pm

    trisha – OPPC member who sees, hears, and knows all. 28 is on its way!!!!! May 5th, 2010 at 6:18 pm
    Erin, was there site-wide panic? Thank you Jesus that I missed it. If I went back and read, would I find a whole host of medical evaluations and even some calls that it could be season-ending?

    **************************
    trish, from what I can tell the panic wasn’t too bad-just a lot of speculation going on.

  44. trisha - OPPC member who sees, hears, and knows all. 28 is on its way!!!!! May 5th, 2010 at 6:21 pm

    “Kay is such a drama queen. lol”

    Thank you Erin!

  45. Jenny May 5th, 2010 at 6:22 pm

    Moose come back!

  46. Erin May 5th, 2010 at 6:22 pm

    Betsy – Hughes rules (pleading the Fifth) May 5th, 2010 at 6:20 pm
    Erin, I admit I’m not exactly happy right now….

    ************************
    Betsy, I understand, it’s not an ideal situation. But I actually consider this good news. It could have been a lot worse.

  47. Benny May 5th, 2010 at 6:22 pm

    well, Pedro Martinez may end up being a yankee, after all

  48. 7 UP May 5th, 2010 at 6:22 pm

    Pedro anyone?

    He showed he still has it, just watch the WS last year.

  49. trisha - OPPC member who sees, hears, and knows all. 28 is on its way!!!!! May 5th, 2010 at 6:23 pm

    A BONE CHIP WOULD SHOW UP ON AN MRI!

  50. m May 5th, 2010 at 6:23 pm

    In the previous thread, I may have erred. The High-A ball pitcher went in the Vazquez trade, not the Granderson one. Oops.

  51. stuckey May 5th, 2010 at 6:24 pm

    Yankees lost both their catchers last year and Cervelli stepped up.

    Yanks lost Nady last year and Swisher stepped up.

    Yankees couldn’t find an effective 5th starter last year and they managed to win around it.

    Marte went down early and out of literally nowhere, Phil Hughes stepped in to become arguably the best reliever in baseball.

    Veras and Ramirez spit the bit and guys like Robertson and Aceves stepped up.

    Gardner was thought to be this year’s weak link and for 27 games now he’s only behind Cano in terms of picking up a good portion of the offense that hasn’t performed.

    Thames was supposed to be the guy that almost got beat out by Weber in spring training, and he’s been a huge plus.

    I see all this talk about who do you trust and can this and this player step in and perform and I genuinely wonder how some of you miss the baseball happening all around you all the time.

    The is what baseball is – unexpected heroes and goats, players doing things you can’t understand and others doing things you never expected.

    The Yankees are a deep team, and to a degree a deep organization and even deeper resources.

    Players you expected little from ARE going to “surprise” you. It happens EVERY year, which makes you wonder how much of a “surprise” it should really be.

    The team’s lowpoint in 16 years has been 89 wins, and most years (and likely this one) that will get you to the post-season. And THIS team is far, FAR deeper than the ‘08 team.

    Outta of guys like Melancon, Mitre, Hirsch, Nova, hell, even Albaladejo, some of them are going to perform and play a bigger and better role than you anticipate.

    In fact, being surprised by someone stepping up is pretty much one of the surest things you can count on.

  52. Betsy - Hughes rules (pleading the Fifth) May 5th, 2010 at 6:24 pm

    Erin, that’s true…….oh well; the Yankees will just have to make do.

  53. Rich in NJ May 5th, 2010 at 6:25 pm

    “Pedro anyone?

    He showed he still has it, just watch the WS last year.”

    Just ask Matsui.

  54. JC May 5th, 2010 at 6:25 pm

    Do the schedule makers hate us or something?

    20 straight games against playoff teams with no off-day and 13 of them on the road?

    Guess they want the Sox to pick up some ground and they were afraid we would run away with things.

  55. m May 5th, 2010 at 6:26 pm

    Now THAT’S perspective.

    Thanks for that, stuckey.

  56. U-Turn May 5th, 2010 at 6:26 pm

    Ivan Nova has like a .230 ERA in AAA with a nice BB-K ratio

    Bring him up.

  57. stuckey May 5th, 2010 at 6:26 pm

    ‘But the way the team was designed the risk related to a starter getting hurt – especially Andy given his age and recent injury history – was to have Vazquez in place and providing quality length.

    And that’s what Vazquez needs to provide now.’

    Question: If by June Vazquez is NOT straightened out, how would you rate the Yankees’ odds of making the postseason, with the preemptive agreement their odds are GREATER with an effective Vazquez?

  58. Macfan May 5th, 2010 at 6:26 pm

    “# stuckey May 5th, 2010 at 6:24 pm

    Yankees lost both their catchers last year and Cervelli stepped up.

    Yanks lost Nady last year and Swisher stepped up.

    Yankees couldn’t find an effective 5th starter last year and they managed to win around it.

    Marte went down early and out of literally nowhere, Phil Hughes stepped in to become arguably the best reliever in baseball.

    Veras and Ramirez spit the bit and guys like Robertson and Aceves stepped up.

    Gardner was thought to be this year’s weak link and for 27 games now he’s only behind Cano in terms of picking up a good portion of the offense that hasn’t performed.

    Thames was supposed to be the guy that almost got beat out by Weber in spring training, and he’s been a huge plus.

    I see all this talk about who do you trust and can this and this player step in and perform and I genuinely wonder how some of you miss the baseball happening all around you all the time.

    The is what baseball is – unexpected heroes and goats, players doing things you can’t understand and others doing things you never expected.

    The Yankees are a deep team, and to a degree a deep organization and even deeper resources.

    Players you expected little from ARE going to “surprise” you. It happens EVERY year, which makes you wonder how much of a “surprise” it should really be.

    The team’s lowpoint in 16 years has been 89 wins, and most years (and likely this one) that will get you to the post-season. And THIS team is far, FAR deeper than the ‘08 team.

    Outta of guys like Melancon, Mitre, Hirsch, Nova, hell, even Albaladejo, some of them are going to perform and play a bigger and better role than you anticipate.

    In fact, being surprised by someone stepping up is pretty much one of the surest things you can count on.”

    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    Well stated stuckey, well stated.

    Post of the year on here. The Yankees are a TEAM

    Look at what the Yankees are doing without Arod hitting, Tex hitting, Johnson hitting, Granderson hurt, Vazquez horrible and still the Yankees are winning.

    They are winning because they are playing as a TEAM and other guys are stepping up every day to help get Wins.

  59. SJ44 May 5th, 2010 at 6:27 pm

    A bone chip would show up on an MRI.

    Andy also said the pain moved around from where it was in his last start.

    That would negate bone chip since the pain would be in a contained area if it was a bone chip.

  60. z May 5th, 2010 at 6:28 pm

    the down-side to a Yankee day game: what the hell am I going to watch between 7:07 and 10:00 PM?

    Oh well, at least I DVR’d Lost from last night…

  61. Phil the Thrill May 5th, 2010 at 6:29 pm

    bone chips can move around. But if there was one it probably still would have shown up.

  62. z May 5th, 2010 at 6:29 pm

    Dr. Michael Kay?

  63. Fran (the original) May 5th, 2010 at 6:29 pm

    Trisha and Erin.

    I posted what Kay said about Andy missing at least 1 start I should have added that he got that information from Brian Cashman.

  64. GreenBeret7 May 5th, 2010 at 6:29 pm

    They need to send some of these whiners and worriers to Pittsburgh to see Dr. Jon Levy at The Greater Pittsburgh Orthopedics. to see if he can add some backbone to certain Yankee fans. Sorry, trolls. No help for you, short of a bullet.

  65. Betsy - Hughes rules (pleading the Fifth) May 5th, 2010 at 6:30 pm

    That’s true about the chip……..

    There’s no sense complaining about the schedule – they’ve given the Yankees a tough go, but a championship team gets through that.

    Sigh.

  66. trisha - OPPC member who sees, hears, and knows all. 28 is on its way!!!!! May 5th, 2010 at 6:30 pm

    We have spot starters. As others have pointed out Mitre has been very good. So has Ace. I would like to see Javy get the job done but I am of the opinion that the Yankees will continue to thrive whether or not Javy gets straightened out, just the way they have done until now.

    Our starters outside of Javy haven’t just been good, they have been phenomenal.

    Be thankful the MRI didn’t show anything serious. Inflammation can be deal with. Cortisone shots are always an option if the situation is bad enough. Nothing says that it will be.

    I am not worried at all about the Yankees ability to work through this. Seriously. And I have a gut feeling that Andy will not miss more than one start. Seriously.

    In any event, I don’t see the team falling apart behind this.

  67. gyhu May 5th, 2010 at 6:31 pm

    Anyone remember this old adage courtesy of Peter A b r a h a m (circa Spring 2008) ?

    ” Players’ injuries are always — ALWAYS, ALWAYS — worst than what is reported to the media. “

  68. Macfan May 5th, 2010 at 6:31 pm

    “Dr. Michael Kay?”

    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    preeminent idiot and big headed blowhard.

  69. MTU (aka GBURL) May 5th, 2010 at 6:31 pm

    “Kay is speculating that there’s a reason for the inflammation – perhaps a bone chip”

    Kay wouldn’t know the difference between a bone chip and a potato chip.

    When did he turn into Dr. Kildare ?

    The guy’s a flippin’ Strawberry. ;)

  70. Jon May 5th, 2010 at 6:32 pm

    And I have a gut feeling that Andy will not miss more than one start. Seriously.

    =============

    What do you know.

    LOL.

  71. Macfan May 5th, 2010 at 6:32 pm

    “# GreenBeret7 May 5th, 2010 at 6:29 pm

    They need to send some of these whiners and worriers to Pittsburgh to see Dr. Jon Levy at The Greater Pittsburgh Orthopedics. to see if he can add some backbone to certain Yankee fans. Sorry, trolls. No help for you, short of a bullet.”

    ++++++++++++++++++++++++

    LOL, so true.

  72. Betsy - Hughes rules (pleading the Fifth) May 5th, 2010 at 6:33 pm

    I’m laughing despite myself, lol

  73. Erin May 5th, 2010 at 6:33 pm

    Fran (the original) May 5th, 2010 at 6:29 pm
    Trisha and Erin.

    I posted what Kay said about Andy missing at least 1 start I should have added that he got that information from Brian Cashman.

    ***********************
    Thanks Fran-I just saw that article with Cashman’s quotes.

  74. trisha - OPPC member who sees, hears, and knows all. 28 is on its way!!!!! May 5th, 2010 at 6:33 pm

    Fran, thanks. I didn’t have any difficulty believing Andy would miss a start. It was the bone chip thing that someone said Kay talked about that got me.

    :)

    Back to work.

  75. Erin May 5th, 2010 at 6:33 pm

    MTU, that’s hilarious.

    :lol:

  76. stuckey May 5th, 2010 at 6:33 pm

    I’m going to offer a hypothetical.

    Maybe Austin Jackson turns out to be very good. Maybe Curtis Granderson doesn’t…

    I for one, do not demand perfection from the front office.

    I’m by no means saying the above will be the case, but if it is…

    So what?

  77. GreenBeret7 May 5th, 2010 at 6:33 pm

    Bone chips are centered around joints. Bone spurs can be centered anywhere.

  78. Alex May 5th, 2010 at 6:34 pm

    “Yankees lost both their catchers last year and Cervelli stepped up.”

    Our lineup was clicking when he went out. A-Rod had come back with a bang, Tex was starting to tear. Our lineup is struggling now. Our schedule was also very weak when PO went down (Baltimore x 2, Texas, Cleveland, Toronto, Minnesota, Philly)

    “Yanks lost Nady last year and Swisher stepped up.”

    Swisher was always better than Nady. Girardi felt Swish could help better off the bench and Nady was coming off a better year. Swisher always should have been the starter.

    “Yankees couldn’t find an effective 5th starter last year and they managed to win around it.”

    And the Yankees realized how fortunate they were to accomplish this. Thus, they traded for Vazquez. Cannot bank on that 2 years in a row.

    “Marte went down early and out of literally nowhere, Phil Hughes stepped in to become arguably the best reliever in baseball.”

    There is no Hughes in the minors this year. Melancon, McAllister, Rumolo Sanchez, etc. cannot step in and be setup men like Hughes could. Coke also replaced Marte and did a damn good job. The second lefty was a luxury, Coke was a workhorse for us and we didn’t miss Marte.

    “Veras and Ramirez spit the bit and guys like Robertson and Aceves stepped up.”

    I’ll give you this, but the pen still was very shakey before Hughes moved there. Hughes solidifying the 8th inning made it much easier for Joe to manage the middle innings.

    “Gardner was thought to be this year’s weak link and for 27 games now he’s only behind Cano in terms of picking up a good portion of the offense that hasn’t performed.”

    But is that going to continue? Or will he slide back to hitting .280? Cervelli, Thames, etc. are also not going to be hitting .400 forever. Cano is not going to hit .380 all year, Swisher is going to cool off as well.

    “Thames was supposed to be the guy that almost got beat out by Weber in spring training, and he’s been a huge plus.”

    Nobody with any legitimacy called for Webber to make the team over Thames. Webber is a lefty anyway, we needed a righty.

  79. Betsy - Hughes rules (pleading the Fifth) May 5th, 2010 at 6:34 pm

    I really don’t get why people have to dump on those of us who are worriers……

  80. trisha - OPPC member who sees, hears, and knows all. 28 is on its way!!!!! May 5th, 2010 at 6:34 pm

    “What do you know.

    LOL”

    What do I know, LOL? I know that my gut feelings are usually right. That’s what I know, LOL.

  81. RJ May 5th, 2010 at 6:34 pm

    Kay has a bone chip in his brain. I’m so tired of his act.

  82. trisha - OPPC member who sees, hears, and knows all. 28 is on its way!!!!! May 5th, 2010 at 6:36 pm

    Betsy, rather than dump on, I think people are trying to point out all of the reasons that you likely don’t have to worry about the Yankees being able to keep up the good work.

  83. MTU (aka GBURL) May 5th, 2010 at 6:36 pm

    GB-

    “Bone chips are centered around joints. Bone spurs can be centered anywhere.”

    And Boneheads can be found right here on the blog. ;)

  84. Macfan May 5th, 2010 at 6:36 pm

    “# MTU (aka GBURL) May 5th, 2010 at 6:31 pm

    “Kay is speculating that there’s a reason for the inflammation – perhaps a bone chip”

    Kay wouldn’t know the difference between a bone chip and a potato chip.

    When did he turn into Dr. Kildare ?

    The guy’s a flippin’ Strawberry. ;)

    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    In Kay’s mind he is probably a Dr. as well. Fully qualified on such issues to draw his baseless assumptions about bone chips.

  85. Gates May 5th, 2010 at 6:38 pm

    Yes, we will still make the postseason without Javy, but it is going to be much tougher. First off, you are assuming full health from anyone, which as we are seeing how is unrealistic.

    And part of the reason we were so successful in the postseason is because everyone was rested and fresh. The players all cited this as a huge positive, that we had the ability to give guys days off and go light on their starts because we had a huge lead in the division.

    A tight race is not a good thing. And the race is going to tighten if Vazquez continues to suck. Don’t we want Boston buried in late August rather than having to play balls-out against them in late September?

  86. Betsy - Hughes rules (pleading the Fifth) May 5th, 2010 at 6:38 pm

    Trisha, I don’t like being lumped with trolls……even if the posts aren’t directed at me, I AM a worrier. There are others of us out there – we are not trolls or bad fans. There is absolutely nothing wrong with being concerned about Andy Pettitte and the state of the rotation.

  87. GreenBeret7 May 5th, 2010 at 6:38 pm

    Betsy – Hughes rules (pleading the Fifth) May 5th, 2010 at 6:34 pm
    I really don’t get why people have to dump on those of us who are worriers……

    ———————————————————————————————————————-

    I’m not dumping on you, Betsy. I never thought of you as a worrier. I think of you as more of a concerned citizen.

  88. 7789 May 5th, 2010 at 6:39 pm

    Not good news but it could of been worse. Even if Andy misses a couple of starts or even a month they will still be fine. I dont think this is a real long term injury.

  89. m May 5th, 2010 at 6:39 pm

    Betsy,

    lol, there’s a difference between worriers and worry-warts.

    Just take it in stride because like you said, you’re not going to change, right? :)

    But, if you say something don’t be surprised if it comes back especially when multiple people read what you say the same way.

    Of course, some people just read you wrong. Like yesterday with Phil’s ERA. What was with that?

  90. MTU (aka GBURL) May 5th, 2010 at 6:39 pm

    Hey, If anyone on the blog ever wants to go up in a baloon just hitch yourself to Kay’s ego and away you’ll go. :)

  91. stuckey May 5th, 2010 at 6:39 pm

    Betsy, because ignoring 16 years of dominance is highly perplexing?

    I (for one), would likely stop if I heard even a single rational explanation of how 16 years and 19-8 simply don’t factor into the equation, and I’m genuinely interested.

    And one other thing…

    If you’re a worrier, and posting in a DISCUSSION forum, isn’t the intended result that someone tells you why you shouldn’t worry.

    Are you saying you’re posting, so others can agree – and thereby exasperate – your worries?

    Again, genuinely interested in your reply.

  92. Mike May 5th, 2010 at 6:40 pm

    Does anyone expect Rivera to be sharp against the Sox? He is coming off stiffness and hasn’t pitch in a week. He also struggles more against the Sox than any other team.

    Don’t be shocked if he blows a save this weekend. I can see his command being off.

  93. Erin May 5th, 2010 at 6:40 pm

    I had to laugh at this from Carig:

    10.) As far as we know, Derek Jeter, last man standing, is fine.

    http://www.nj.com/yankees/inde.....petti.html

  94. closet worrier May 5th, 2010 at 6:40 pm

    Betsy – Hughes rules (pleading the Fifth) May 5th, 2010 at 6:38 pm
    Trisha, I don?t like being lumped with trolls??even if the posts aren?t directed at me, I AM a worrier. There are others of us out there ? we are not trolls or bad fans. There is absolutely nothing wrong with being concerned about Andy Pettitte and the state of the rotation.

    ______________

    You’re not alone.

    I fear this is a season ending injury for Andy. :(

  95. Doreen - GTLU Standings, Updates, Calendar & Rules May 5th, 2010 at 6:41 pm

    m – I had to skip ahead when I saw you got filtered for a “nothing” word. I got filtered for the first name of the pitcher I saw today – Gra-ham. I realized it had a series of letters that appeared in the last name of the original blogmaster. It’s truly annoying.

  96. Betsy - Hughes rules (pleading the Fifth) May 5th, 2010 at 6:41 pm

    GB, I am a worrier – I don’t mind admitting it. My point was that this is hardly good news for the Yankees and you can not blame fans for being worried. I’m not directing this to you, but fans that are more naturally optimistic are not better fans. I’m not going to pretend that this doesn’t worry me – it does.

  97. closet worrier May 5th, 2010 at 6:42 pm

    And I have a feeling we will get swept by the Sox this weekend — all 3 games blowouts.

  98. m May 5th, 2010 at 6:42 pm

    Isn’t Rivera blowing a save at Fenway a long-standing tradition? :)

    Seriously, just do what the players do and take it game by game. You’d be surprised at some of the nice moments you’ll see.

  99. Nick in SF May 5th, 2010 at 6:43 pm

    I’m not worried about Andy, but I’m worried that people will confuse speculation with gut feelings.

    :(

  100. Betsy - Hughes rules (pleading the Fifth) May 5th, 2010 at 6:43 pm

    M, what I don’t get is why Phil STILL doesn’t qualify to be among the league leaders in ERA.

    I have no idea. Patrick just misunderstood me and Miggs has an obsessive hatred for me.

  101. Giuseppe Franco May 5th, 2010 at 6:43 pm

    I can’t stand Michael Kay during a broadcast so I’m sure as hell not going to listen to him ramble and ramble on his radio show.

    Start worrying when there’s a reason to start worrying. Even if Pettitte misses a start it’s not that big of a deal.

    Mitre will get that start and hopefully he’ll do a decent job.

    The Rays will eventually come back down to earth a bit and the Yanks are still better than the Red Sox right now – and by a significant margin.

  102. Bronx Born May 5th, 2010 at 6:43 pm

    Amen GB! Did some of you not see the scoreboard today. Yanks won in case you did not notice. We have some players playing some fantastic ball, like NJ was on base more than he was off. I don’t get the crying towels.

  103. Doreen - GTLU Standings, Updates, Calendar & Rules May 5th, 2010 at 6:43 pm

    Betsy -
    Why are you listening to Michael Kay?

    Just the other day the conversation here was about how he was a whiner and pandering to the lowest common denominator and also someone prone to making something out of nothing?

    Now you’re going to believe everything he says?

    He is merely directing discussion.

  104. Worry Wart May 5th, 2010 at 6:44 pm

    Why shouldn’t someone worry? We are heading into our toughest stretch of the season with a banged up roster, shaky bullpen, and a lineup that has yet to click on all cylinders. Our #5 starter is inept and our #4 is now slated to miss a start and is always an injury risk at his age. Hughes almost has to be reliable now and can’t go through the growing pains that he needs to be able to go through.

    Just being realistic. No one says the season is over. We’re still a heckuva a team, but this injury news is concerning on top of our other concerns (Javy, the middle relief, etc.) and the Sox/Rays are both very good as well…

  105. MTU (aka GBURL) May 5th, 2010 at 6:44 pm

    Betsy-

    Take a lesson from Bob Marley the reggae singer and his famous song.

    “Don’t worry, be happy”.

    Andy is a Dandy.

    He’ll be fine. :)

  106. GreenBeret7 May 5th, 2010 at 6:45 pm

    MTU (aka GBURL) May 5th, 2010 at 6:36 pm
    GB-

    “Bone chips are centered around joints. Bone spurs can be centered anywhere.”

    And Boneheads can be found right here on the blog.

    ———————————————————————————————————————-

    I have a line that I can’t use because it would embarrass the ladies and get me bounced. Maybe I should email that to Randy to use on here. We’d finally get rid of him and his bragging about his golfing skills. Al Czervik is a better golfer than Randy.

  107. Betsy - Hughes rules (pleading the Fifth) May 5th, 2010 at 6:46 pm

    Stuckey, I don’t think we are going to get anywhere, so what’s the point ? We are not even CLOSE to being on the same page. Andy is down for the count for the foreseeable future. I think it’s great that everyone is all happy and that they don’t think this is a problem at all . I feel differently – and I never said the team was going to fall apart. I’m not sure why I have to explain why I have any concern. Our #4 pitcher is out of whack and our #3 pitcher is injured. As I said, the Yankees will have to make do. I’m not sure what you are referring to when you refer to 16 years, but what happened in the past has no bearing on the future. Please read my posts. Again, I never, ever, ever said the team was going to fall apart. I’m just not thrilled about Andy being injured.

  108. JC May 5th, 2010 at 6:46 pm

    Michael Kay is still a Yankees fan, and his analysis and worrying just proves it. He can say he is impartial and no longer is a fan, but times like this just prove that he is.

    He is like most of the Yankee fans here – worried and hopes everything will be OK but fears the worst, expects the best.

    He is channeling his inner Joe Beningo.

  109. stuckey May 5th, 2010 at 6:47 pm

    “Yes, we will still make the postseason without Javy, but it is going to be much tougher.”

    Don’t we want Boston buried in late August rather than having to play balls-out against them in late September?”

    Yankees gave 8 straight games to the Red Sox start the year last year. Those aren’t theoretically closer games or a longer or tougher race. They gave Boston 8 games in the standings.

    And what happened?

    Anyone ready to predict exactly what the final standings will be (even within a few games) on May 5th, because Pettitte feels stiffness and Vazquez’s first month sucked should not be hanging our here, they should be breaking the houses in Vegas.

  110. Doreen - GTLU Standings, Updates, Calendar & Rules May 5th, 2010 at 6:47 pm

    stuckey -

    Loved your post above (6:24). :)

  111. Rich in NJ May 5th, 2010 at 6:48 pm

    That’s Bobby McFerrin, not Bob Marley.

  112. Uncle Ellsworth May 5th, 2010 at 6:50 pm

    I was just offered IO cable for half the price of verizon. I can’t think of any reason to stick with them.

    I think Andy will be ok but can’t blame others for their reactions.
    Don Gullett was 4-1 for the yanks in 1978 when he got hurt. Jim Beattie picked up the Slack

  113. Marco May 5th, 2010 at 6:50 pm

    I’m worried about what this does to Phil… the fans and the mediots will expect him to pitch like an ace now because of the injury of Andy and ineffectiveness of Javy. If he has a bad start, people will get on him, forgetting that he is a 23 year old kid with a world of promise but still going to experience growing pains like any 23 yr old starter will.

    I also hope fans don’t kill AJ if he has a bad start or two. He has carried us this year and for some reason, doesn’t pitch well in Fenway.

  114. Bronx Born May 5th, 2010 at 6:50 pm

    MTU – I agree. Plus from all indications, Andy’s elbow is not serious. No where has it been stated that he is “down for the count”. And if he is, the team will deal with it. This is a tough resilient team Worry never gets you very far anyway, except for some more worrying.

  115. MTU (aka GBURL) May 5th, 2010 at 6:51 pm

    GB-

    “Al Czervik is a better golfer than Randy.”

    A remark like that could crush Randy GB.

    He might need a permanent Mulligan, or go off into an endless Bogey loop.

    Perhaps, he will not see your taunt.

  116. Uncle Ellsworth May 5th, 2010 at 6:52 pm

    Mike Seaver’s best friend??

  117. Dave D. May 5th, 2010 at 6:52 pm

    Let’s lighten the mood here-

    So anyway, about the taser, what is wrong with it?

    They have to attack a player before the cops use it? It is illegal to run onto the field and the cops have to do what is necessary to protect the players.

  118. Nick in SF May 5th, 2010 at 6:52 pm

    This is Bob Marley’s song about not worrying:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v.....re=related

    Used to excellent effect in Wong Kar-wai’s “Chungking Express” BTW!

  119. champ809 May 5th, 2010 at 6:52 pm

    champ809 May 5th, 2010 at 6:49 pm
    AJax btw in his last 10 games has gone 14-42/4 doubles/1triple/1HR/11runs/4 walks/4ks/2sbs

    seems like he’s made an adjustment to cutdown on his strikeouts by swinging his bat and not taking so many called strike 3’s….

  120. m May 5th, 2010 at 6:53 pm

    Doreen,

    Next time someone cuts you off, shake your fist and yell, “You A-ham!” :mad:

  121. Uncle Ellsworth May 5th, 2010 at 6:53 pm

    Rich I was surprised to learn that Marley actually wrote that song – McFerrin got the Grammy

  122. MTU (aka GBURL) May 5th, 2010 at 6:53 pm

    Rich-

    “That’s Bobby McFerrin, not Bob Marley.”

    Give me some credit at least I got the 1st name right.

    I’m old. I’m not even supposed to know what Reggae is.

    Some tough critics around here.

  123. Bronx Jeers May 5th, 2010 at 6:53 pm

    Starting Friday Yanks play 17 days straight.

    I’m glad they have 48 hours to rest.

  124. stuckey May 5th, 2010 at 6:54 pm

    “I’m not sure why I have to explain why I have any concern.”

    You don’t have to. You don’t owe me a reply. You choose too.

    Again, I’m at a loss when you react this way. Again, if you don’t post t invite discussion, why are you posting?

  125. m May 5th, 2010 at 6:56 pm

    Betsy,

    I didn’t look, but I’m going to assume it’s because the team has played more games than innings he’s pitched. We’ve played 27? He’s pitched 25 or so?

  126. Doreen - GTLU Standings, Updates, Calendar & Rules May 5th, 2010 at 6:56 pm

    Okay.

    Here goes.

    Worry and pessimism is a choice. Optimism is a choice. You can wake up every day and choose to look at the silver linings or you can wake up and see only the clouds.

    Perhaps Andy misses a start or two or three. They will get by or better. They are 11 games over .500 right now. They are not clicking on all cylinders. You can look around every corner and see injury lurking. Or you can just watch the games as they unfold and not pick apart every little thing.

    The worst part of this blog or any blog for that matter, is that it almost becomes responsible for people nitpicking every minor detail. It indulges the pessimism and the worrying. And if you choose to see the silver linings, or overlook the minor things that happen in the course of a game, you’re called a “Pollyanna.”

    Anyway, I’m sorry to be blunt. But I know what I’m speaking about when I say your outlook is your choice. It is something that can be managed and/or changed.

  127. Jacob May 5th, 2010 at 6:57 pm

    “AJax btw in his last 10 games has gone 14-42/4 doubles/1triple/1HR/11runs/4 walks/4ks/2sbs”

    But the statheads tell me that is unsustainable and he is going to revert into a bench player… soon….

  128. GreenBeret7 May 5th, 2010 at 6:57 pm

    Doreen – GTLU Standings, Updates, Calendar & Rules May 5th, 2010 at 6:41 pm
    m – I had to skip ahead when I saw you got filtered for a “nothing” word. I got filtered for the first name of the pitcher I saw today – Gra-ham. I realized it had a series of letters that appeared in the last name of the original blogmaster. It’s truly annoying.

    ———————————————————————————————————————-

    Maybe the filters thought you were trying to spell ABR***A***HAM and got confused. I appreciate the scouting report on Stoneburner. Sounds like he was sensational. Any idea on the pitch count, today. Had to be around 100, I’d think.

  129. Uncle Ellsworth May 5th, 2010 at 6:57 pm

    or maybe he didn’t write it idk

  130. Matt May 5th, 2010 at 6:58 pm

    Marco May 5th, 2010 at 6:50 pm

    I’m worried about what this does to Phil… the fans and the mediots will expect him to pitch like an ace now because of the injury of Andy and ineffectiveness of Javy. If he has a bad start, people will get on him, forgetting that he is a 23 year old kid with a world of promise but still going to experience growing pains like any 23 yr old starter will.

    I also hope fans don’t kill AJ if he has a bad start or two. He has carried us this year and for some reason, doesn’t pitch well in Fenway.

    ———————

    Betsy, is that you?

  131. Rich in NJ May 5th, 2010 at 6:59 pm

    MTU

    Your post recalls the name of a Bob Marley song, “Stir it Up.” ;)

  132. Erin May 5th, 2010 at 7:00 pm

    Uncle Ellsworth May 5th, 2010 at 6:57 pm
    or maybe he didn’t write it idk

    ***********************
    I think he did, Uncle E. I think I remember hearing that too.

  133. Uncle Ellsworth May 5th, 2010 at 7:00 pm

    speaking of Optimism and pessimism
    what happened with Rebecca she still post here?

  134. Benny Blanco May 5th, 2010 at 7:01 pm

    We have 3 against boston and 4 against the tigers. I will gladly accept a 3-4, 4-3 record on the road.

    We are not going to win every single series, even though we look like we could win every one.

  135. Uncle Ellsworth May 5th, 2010 at 7:01 pm

    True or false I probably heard it here when Wang got hurt in 08

  136. GreenBeret7 May 5th, 2010 at 7:01 pm

    MTU (aka GBURL) May 5th, 2010 at 6:51 pm
    GB-

    “Al Czervik is a better golfer than Randy.”

    A remark like that could crush Randy GB.

    He might need a permanent Mulligan, or go off into an endless Bogey loop.

    Perhaps, he will not see your taunt.

    ———————————————————————————————————————-

    If I were really vicious and cruel and really wanted to bury the barb, I’d tell him that I’m a better golfer than he is.

  137. m May 5th, 2010 at 7:01 pm

    Doreen,

    The funny part is some people have changed and are conscious about what they write.

    I do feel for Betsy, though. She’s constantly explaining herself.

  138. gfd May 5th, 2010 at 7:01 pm

    Andy is all heart. He was feeling badly and still only walked in 1 run in 5 innings, to get his 4th win on 77 pitches. Glad the injury treatable, and not season ending.

    The thing I see in ail the non-everyday players, (Cerevelli, Thames, Winn, Pena, is, they see a need and have stepped up and performed. Mitre, and Javier might want to make a good impression too !!

  139. SJ44 May 5th, 2010 at 7:01 pm

    So tonight the trolls on here are pitching:

    Andy is done for the year.

    The Yankees will get blown out in every game in Boston.

    The Yankees are done.

    Both predictable and sad.

    I guess that’s what happens when you lose troll creativity.

    You drift into wishful thinking.

  140. my 2 cents May 5th, 2010 at 7:01 pm

    I think the problem most have with ‘the worriers’ is that the Yanks are coming off a WS victory.

    How would you like to be a Cubs fan? Or a Royals or Pirates fan?

    We’re given a perennial winner, and yet some aren’t satisfied or grow concerned over every set-back.

    They also know that the moment a player is pulled from a game the usual suspects will be freaking out.

    It doesn’t mean you’re a bad fan, just a worry-wart. People, typically, don’t like worry-warts.

  141. Doreen - GTLU Standings, Updates, Calendar & Rules May 5th, 2010 at 7:01 pm

    And one more thing – what happens with the Yankees, good or bad, happens. No amount of worry or optimism or wearing purple socks and taking showers is really going to make any difference (sorry, Erica :) ).

    There are things in this world that are truly worthy of worry, and there are things that are not.

  142. Erin May 5th, 2010 at 7:02 pm

    Joba_62 Great series for everyone! A day off tomorrow, so a night of relaxing and a great dinner. Everyone enjoy the rest of their day.

  143. Yank 97 May 5th, 2010 at 7:02 pm

    Cards/Phillies on ESPN

    Can see first hand if anyone runs on the field tonight

  144. MTU (aka GBURL) May 5th, 2010 at 7:03 pm

    See.

    I never worry on the blog.

    Because I have TCD to protect me.

    I take my worries off site and bury them in the graveyard of forgotten ideas. ;)

  145. Uncle Ellsworth May 5th, 2010 at 7:03 pm

    Uncle Ellsworth May 5th, 2010 at 7:01 pm
    True or false I probably heard it here when Wang got hurt in 08

    that was to you Erin

  146. MTU (aka GBURL) May 5th, 2010 at 7:05 pm

    GB-

    “If I were really vicious and cruel and really wanted to bury the barb, I’d tell him that I’m a better golfer than he is.”

    Oh, The inhumanity.

  147. Bronx Born May 5th, 2010 at 7:05 pm

    Bobby McFerrin – Don’t Worry Be Happy

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l9K4BKkLaCI

  148. m May 5th, 2010 at 7:05 pm

    z,

    U had baseball withdrawals? How about a double tilt of Sox @ 7, TB @ 10.

    Garza @ Cliff Lee should be a doozy.

  149. Erin May 5th, 2010 at 7:06 pm

    Uncle Ellsworth May 5th, 2010 at 7:03 pm
    Uncle Ellsworth May 5th, 2010 at 7:01 pm
    True or false I probably heard it here when Wang got hurt in 08

    that was to you Erin

    **********************
    Ummm…I’m going to say true.

  150. Bronx Born May 5th, 2010 at 7:06 pm

    Doreen, are you saying that my purple socks are not why the Yanks are doing so well?

  151. Doreen - GTLU Standings, Updates, Calendar & Rules May 5th, 2010 at 7:06 pm

    GB7 -

    LOL! It was hard enough keeping a detailed scoresheet without counting pitches!!!!! :) And truthfully, I didn’t think about counting pitches until about the 3rd inning.

    But he didn’t go to a lot of full counts, and no one fouled off a lot of pitches. He put people away. Seven full innings. I guess 100 or so.

  152. RayVT May 5th, 2010 at 7:06 pm

    LOL! Sometimes we just need to worry about whether we are worrying enough!! LOL!

    We have a lot of depth ready to see who steps up. For the missing SP position we have Mitre, Ace, Joba, Hirsch, Nova, McCallister & others to see who is ready to step up. Most teams go thru this every year, but have a lot less to address it. Yanks could even make a trade if things get bad, but lets not worry yet. Let SJ, Trisha or GB tell us when it is time to worry! LOL!

  153. Nick in SF May 5th, 2010 at 7:07 pm

    “Well, I was a gloomy soul
    Never thought I’d see a brighter day
    The dark interior
    Blows those silver clouds away

    ‘Til now this was my view
    But I’m counting on you
    How am I ever going to make you see?
    Nothing in this ugly world comes easily
    I want you to be…

    My lovely hooligan
    Come by and smash my pane
    ‘Til I can see right through
    My little blue window”

    – Elvis Costello

  154. blake May 5th, 2010 at 7:07 pm

    Just finished watching the game (DVR). Nice win and good job getting the sweep. Good to see NJ get it going with a big day. Hopefully that will carry over and kick start his season.

    The injuries that have cropped up all appear minor and the good thing is they are still winning so theu can afford to be catious with them. Especially with Andy they should be very catious. Mitre can fill that spot and Javy needs to step up until Pettite is 100% again.

    Love the sweep but boy are the Orioles bad…amazing that they swept the Sox.

  155. Bronx Jeers May 5th, 2010 at 7:07 pm

    “Don’t Worry” ? Marley?
    Forgettable B-Side to
    No Woman , No Cry?

  156. Erin May 5th, 2010 at 7:08 pm

    Uncle E-appearantly Bobby McFerrin did write “Don’t Worry Be Happy”. Maybe Marley covered it???

  157. Uncle Ellsworth May 5th, 2010 at 7:10 pm

    Erin May 5th, 2010 at 7:08 pm
    Uncle E-appearantly Bobby McFerrin did write ?Don?t Worry Be Happy?. Maybe Marley covered it???

    Yes Sorry for posting a vile rumor!!

    but…. Marley was dead long before that song came out by McF

  158. MTU (aka GBURL) May 5th, 2010 at 7:11 pm

    You see what I have done.

    I have created a reggae controversy.

    Sorry folks.

    I meant well. :(

  159. SJ44 May 5th, 2010 at 7:11 pm

    Doreen,

    Truer words have never been spoken.

    Unfortunately, it will fall on deaf ears to the worry warts, chicken littles and trolls who will live on this blog the next 4 days.

  160. Doreen - GTLU Standings, Updates, Calendar & Rules May 5th, 2010 at 7:11 pm

    m -

    I think the piling on with Betsy is out of control. It’s simply not nice. Yes, she is a self-proclaimed worrier, but not everything she has to say is from worry. She is very smart and knowledgable about baseball and the Yankees. And not all her concerns are misplaced. My suggestion would be to totally ignore the nitpicking and pretend it’s not even there, as difficult as it is. Because telling someone you’re ignoring them is not ignoring them.

  161. MT. May 5th, 2010 at 7:11 pm

    Wow, Doreen…that was perfect.

  162. Nick in SF May 5th, 2010 at 7:12 pm

    http://tinyurl.com/395gof8

  163. MTU (aka GBURL) May 5th, 2010 at 7:12 pm

    Blake-

    “Love the sweep but boy are the Orioles bad…amazing that they swept the Sox.”

    And the fact that they did tells ya ? ;)

  164. Bronx Born May 5th, 2010 at 7:12 pm

    Marley covered it but it was written by Bobby McFerrin. I posted this earlier but here is a link to McFerrin’s video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l9K4BKkLaCI

  165. Erin May 5th, 2010 at 7:12 pm

    Uncle Ellsworth May 5th, 2010 at 7:10 pm
    Erin May 5th, 2010 at 7:08 pm
    Uncle E-appearantly Bobby McFerrin did write ?Don?t Worry Be Happy?. Maybe Marley covered it???

    Yes Sorry for posting a vile rumor!!

    but…. Marley was dead long before that song came out by McF

    ************************
    That’s true-I had forgotten about that. lol

    I could have sworn I heard somewhere that Marley had written it though.

  166. GreenBeret7 May 5th, 2010 at 7:13 pm

    Betsy doesn’t need to explain anything to anybody. All she needs to do is tell idiots like little Matty, Miggles and Smuckley to stick their posts up their wazoo and just ignore them. Their only goal is attacking to provoke controversy. They have to have the saddest of lives. Apparently, not even their imaginary playmates will talk to them.

  167. Doreen - GTLU Standings, Updates, Calendar & Rules May 5th, 2010 at 7:13 pm

    Bronx Born -

    You wear purple socks, too???? :lol:

  168. Uncle Ellsworth May 5th, 2010 at 7:14 pm

    truly sorry for posting that – stupid youtube vid!

  169. ---.---. May 5th, 2010 at 7:15 pm

    m

    Betsy suffers from “Open-mouth-in-go-foot-itis” she can’t help it!!1

  170. Nick in SF May 5th, 2010 at 7:16 pm

    Bad info on LoHud — something to worry about????

  171. stuckey May 5th, 2010 at 7:16 pm

    I refuse to accept as a premise that something someone posts here is out of bounds for discussion.

    That is, afterall, the entire point of it all.

  172. CB May 5th, 2010 at 7:16 pm

    Evaluating the impact of injuries and risk factor’s for injuries really doesn’t have a lot to do with optimism or pessimism.

    Injuries and risk factors for injuries are largely issues of probabilities or more often, chains of linked, contingent probabilities.

    That’s largely the extent of it.

    Those probabilities may be hard to bound, but you can estimate them, either quantitatively via some form of categorization.

  173. z May 5th, 2010 at 7:17 pm

    I am definitely all over Garza vs. Lee, m. Too bad Seattle has such a pathetic offense. I feel bad for Compass Rosy.

    Extra Innings is a beautiful thing.

  174. Bronx Born May 5th, 2010 at 7:17 pm

    Doreen, I was not going to tell anyone, but yes I do. I confess. I love the color purple.

  175. Benny Blanco May 5th, 2010 at 7:17 pm

    Lackey throwing 96??…he’s amped up!

  176. GreenBeret7 May 5th, 2010 at 7:17 pm

    Doreen, you picked a great day to go and watch Stoneburner. He must have felt like he had died and gone to hog heaven with all of that run support. Not sure that he’s had 2 runs in a game before today. He really has been hard luck when it comes to getting run support and the bullpen and defense has killed him.

  177. MTU (aka GBURL) May 5th, 2010 at 7:18 pm

    Be careful or we will form an infinite Mobius loop of worry on the blog.

  178. Uncle Ellsworth May 5th, 2010 at 7:19 pm

    Nick as you are well aware pop culture is serious business on the lohud.

    —————
    I don’t think Marley had anything at all to do with DWBH

  179. pat May 5th, 2010 at 7:19 pm

    How many pitchers can throw 77 pitches and have an MRI an hour later and not have inflammation in their elbow?

  180. Doreen - GTLU Standings, Updates, Calendar & Rules May 5th, 2010 at 7:19 pm

    Bronx Born -

    I have a friend who is a priest. He performed the wedding ceremony for my husband and me; we met him in college (St. John’s). Of course he had to wear his “uniform” every day – black. But, everyday a colorful or crazy pair of socks.

  181. MTU (aka GBURL) May 5th, 2010 at 7:20 pm

    “Lackey throwing 96??…he’s amped up!”

    How would you feel if you had that underbite ? :)

  182. Erin May 5th, 2010 at 7:20 pm

    Uncle Ellsworth May 5th, 2010 at 7:19 pm
    Nick as you are well aware pop culture is serious business on the lohud.

    ***********************
    I agree. I take my pop culture very seriously. :)

  183. Bronx Born May 5th, 2010 at 7:21 pm

    Marley left in 1981. Don’t Worry Be Happy written in 1989. So now I am really confused because there are all these listing of Marley writing it, they must be wrong. McFerrin wrote it.

  184. stuckey May 5th, 2010 at 7:21 pm

    “Betsy doesn’t need to explain anything to anybody.”

    You copy and past that from when I posted the same thing 15 minutes ago?

    Being an crank usually requires you disagree with your fixation.

    “All she needs to do is tell idiots like little Matty, Miggles and Smuckley”

    Ah, I see what you did there. You changed letter around in names to make them sound funny.

    Well done sir!

    “Apparently, not even their imaginary playmates will talk to them.”

    Life has never been the same since Harvey passed on…

  185. Doreen - GTLU Standings, Updates, Calendar & Rules May 5th, 2010 at 7:21 pm

    I just saw Johnson’s HR. He really did not need the short porch for that, did he? And then Tex just missed one? Wow.

    Nick and Tex could not be breaking out of their slumps at a better time.

  186. Uncle Ellsworth May 5th, 2010 at 7:21 pm

    we know Erin, we know

  187. Bronx Jeers May 5th, 2010 at 7:22 pm

    The correct order of events are as follows:

    Bobby McFerrin smoked a fat spliff.

    Then he got very hungry but having nothing to eat, he resorted to consuming a Bob Marley vinyl LP

    Later he took a dump which he fished out of the toilet and tuned into “Don’t Worry, Be Happy”

  188. Betsy - Hughes rules (pleading the Fifth) May 5th, 2010 at 7:22 pm

    Ok, Doreen…..

  189. Bronx Born May 5th, 2010 at 7:22 pm

    Doreen, wearing crazy socks is one of the things that make life worth living. You can look all conservative and just slide up your trousers and totally freak out the world!

  190. Betsy - Hughes rules (pleading the Fifth) May 5th, 2010 at 7:23 pm

    By the way, I do not believe being an optimist or a pessimist is a choice – it’s part of your personality.

  191. Doreen - GTLU Standings, Updates, Calendar & Rules May 5th, 2010 at 7:23 pm

    GB7 -

    He pitched like he didn’t expect to get any runs. And there were none for the first couple of innings. And later in the game they were set up to score a third, but did not. I think they had 2 on and no one out, and didn’t score.

    One of the runs scored on a pick-off/rundown play with 2 out. :)

  192. Uncle Ellsworth May 5th, 2010 at 7:23 pm

    Bronx yes
    Completly wrong – I’m sorry
    and I apologize to Bob Marley

  193. MTU (aka GBURL) May 5th, 2010 at 7:23 pm

    Doreen,

    My favorite homer combination is when both Nick’s hit one.

    I call that Nick-squared homers. ;)

  194. Benny Blanco May 5th, 2010 at 7:24 pm

    MTU (aka GBURL) May 5th, 2010 at 7:20 pm
    “Lackey throwing 96??…he’s amped up!”

    How would you feel if you had that underbite ?
    ==============================

    LOL!

  195. Bronx Born May 5th, 2010 at 7:24 pm

    All Good Uncle

  196. Erin May 5th, 2010 at 7:25 pm

    Uncle Ellsworth May 5th, 2010 at 7:21 pm
    we know Erin, we know

    ********************
    LOL

    It’s an addiction. I don’t try to hide it.

  197. Nick in SF May 5th, 2010 at 7:25 pm

    Bronx Jeers, I wish you had sent me to Millbrae before posting your “Don’t Worry, Be Happy” origin theory. :shock:

  198. Betsy - Hughes rules (pleading the Fifth) May 5th, 2010 at 7:26 pm

    Really, SJ? I thought Doreen’s post was – well, never mind. I won’t get into it here.

    I’m sorry if you don’t like my posts, but this is the way it is. I LOVE how people who don’t worry at all are SO much better than worriers like me.

    Ok, I’ll make you happy. I’m not worried ONE bit about Andy.

  199. Betsy - Hughes rules (pleading the Fifth) May 5th, 2010 at 7:27 pm

    M, I appreciate it, lol.

  200. GreenBeret7 May 5th, 2010 at 7:28 pm

    Doreen – GTLU Standings, Updates, Calendar & Rules May 5th, 2010 at 7:23 pm
    GB7 -

    He pitched like he didn’t expect to get any runs. And there were none for the first couple of innings. And later in the game they were set up to score a third, but did not. I think they had 2 on and no one out, and didn’t score.

    One of the runs scored on a pick-off/rundown play with 2 out.

    ———————————————————————————————————————-

    LMAO. He did well not to expect any runs. If he had to eat runs for nurishment, the poor kid would be skin and bones right now.

  201. Betsy - Hughes rules (pleading the Fifth) May 5th, 2010 at 7:28 pm

    GB, now it’s not even the trolls. LOL I’ve annoyed the regulars, lol. Well, there’s nothing I can do about it….:)

  202. m May 5th, 2010 at 7:29 pm

    Betsy,

    Nobody is saying anyone’s better than anyone else.

    How about less concern/worry and more jokes? You’re pretty fun when you’re not projecting. :)

  203. debbie downer May 5th, 2010 at 7:30 pm

    Hi.

    The end is near.

    Betsy. Keep up the good work.

  204. Betsy - Hughes rules (pleading the Fifth) May 5th, 2010 at 7:30 pm

    GB, thanks by the way……..I’m tough, though, lol

  205. MTU (aka GBURL) May 5th, 2010 at 7:30 pm

    Betsy-

    You never annoy me.

    Don’t worry.;)

  206. Betsy - Hughes rules (pleading the Fifth) May 5th, 2010 at 7:30 pm

    M, I’m not projecting anything. I read Doreen’s post and I read SJ’s post ; they made themselves perfectly clear.

  207. Betsy - Hughes rules (pleading the Fifth) May 5th, 2010 at 7:31 pm

    MTU, thank YOU!

  208. mick May 5th, 2010 at 7:32 pm

    Kay lives for people to comment on his proclamations.

    On one hand he says he does not believe in jinxs, i.e. speaking of no-hitters while they are happening and on the other hand he questions the Sports Illustrated jinx of the Yanks Core 4. Last week they were on the cover, now 3 of them are hurt.

    Make up your mind. Or not. Whatever it takes.

  209. pat May 5th, 2010 at 7:32 pm

    Betsy

    Why not try ignoring back the people who are “ignoring” you rather than commenting on it? That would cut the “worrying” conversation in half. :wink:

  210. CRAWDADDY (Boycott ESPN-NY) May 5th, 2010 at 7:32 pm

    We’re not talking about Betsy’s posts again?

  211. Erin May 5th, 2010 at 7:33 pm

    Betsy-I always enjoy reading your posts-I may not always agree, but I do enjoy your perspective. There’s nothing wrong with being a worrier. :)

  212. MTU (aka GBURL) May 5th, 2010 at 7:33 pm

    Betsy-

    No need for thanks.

    Just use your mezuzah more.

    It works. :)

  213. CB May 5th, 2010 at 7:33 pm

    The phillies pitching after Halladay is really poor. Kyle Kendrick is terrible. How could they trade Cliff Lee rather than trying to move Blanton? And that doesn’t even get into the whole expenditure for Ryan Howard.

  214. Betsy - Hughes rules (pleading the Fifth) May 5th, 2010 at 7:33 pm

    Doreen, I didn’t see your subsequent post – thank you. It’s not only the trolls that are becoming a problem, but whatever – I can deal with them.

  215. Doreen - GTLU Standings, Updates, Calendar & Rules May 5th, 2010 at 7:33 pm

    No, Betsy. You can choose to go against your own grain. You can. I have.

  216. GreenBeret7 May 5th, 2010 at 7:34 pm

    For Trenton, The pontiff, Pope Ryan The First has 1 inning, 1 hit, 0 runs, 0 walks and 0 strikeouts

    Krum and Adams had singles and Romine and Laird had RBI singles to give Trenton a 2-0 lead.

  217. Betsy - Hughes rules (pleading the Fifth) May 5th, 2010 at 7:35 pm

    Pat, I’m not sure what you’re talking about. If someone’s ignoring me, I would have no way of knowing it. I try to hold back in responding to snippy posts because it doesn’t do any good, but I draw the line when people respond to my posts differently than they do to someone elses when the other person has said the same thing.

  218. MTU (aka GBURL) May 5th, 2010 at 7:35 pm

    CB-

    Ruben Amaro must have had too many peyote buttons.

    He’s got some twisted logic to say the least. :)

  219. m May 5th, 2010 at 7:36 pm

    projecting in general…

  220. Bronx Jeers May 5th, 2010 at 7:36 pm

    Apologies to all the McFerrin fans.

    It is a popular method for creating bad music. Do you realize how many hits were made from recycled “White Album dung”?

    Not Paranoid Android though. That song is awesome.

  221. Betsy - Hughes rules (pleading the Fifth) May 5th, 2010 at 7:36 pm

    Doreen, neither of us are psychiatrists so we’ll just have to hold our own opinions (and being an optimist doesn’t make you a better person than someone who’s a pessimist).

  222. ... May 5th, 2010 at 7:36 pm

    Anybody know where I can immediately look up things like all-time highest/lowest BABIP, or will I have to look through fangraphs year by year?

  223. CB May 5th, 2010 at 7:36 pm

    .250 .319 .423

    Hideki Matsui’s numbers so far this season.

  224. GreenBeret7 May 5th, 2010 at 7:36 pm

    Betsy – Hughes rules (pleading the Fifth) May 5th, 2010 at 7:28 pm
    GB, now it’s not even the trolls. LOL I’ve annoyed the regulars, lol. Well, there’s nothing I can do about it….:)

    ———————————————————————————————————————-

    Regular regulars or regular trolls?

  225. Betsy - Hughes rules (pleading the Fifth) May 5th, 2010 at 7:37 pm

    Erin, you would think I ran over some of these posters’ dogs……..I doubt any of us has agreed 100% with every poster here; that’s what the blog is for – discussion. If everyone agreed, it would probably be pretty boring; disagreement makes for good discussion.

  226. Uncle Ellsworth May 5th, 2010 at 7:37 pm

    what is “white album dung”

  227. CB May 5th, 2010 at 7:37 pm

    MTU-

    So you’re hypothesizing that Amaro has been a McFerrin collaborator?

  228. m May 5th, 2010 at 7:37 pm

    Though to be fair, you get banged for saying what many say or think.

    You must be the DPB

    Designated Punching Bag. :(

  229. GreenBeret7 May 5th, 2010 at 7:37 pm

    … May 5th, 2010 at 7:36 pm
    Anybody know where I can immediately look up things like all-time highest/lowest BABIP, or will I have to look through fangraphs year by year?

    ———————————————————————————————————————-

    yes.

  230. mick May 5th, 2010 at 7:38 pm

    Betsy , admit it, you enjoy the attention you are getting.

  231. Betsy - Hughes rules (pleading the Fifth) May 5th, 2010 at 7:38 pm

    Regular regulars, GB, but I can’t worry about that. If I spent my life worrying about what people thought about me, I’d probably be paralyzed with fear.

  232. CRAWDADDY (Boycott ESPN-NY) May 5th, 2010 at 7:38 pm

    “Doreen, neither of us are psychiatrists so we’ll just have to hold our own opinions (and being an optimist doesn’t make you a better person than someone who’s a pessimist).”

    No, it generally makes you a happier person, but there are pessimists that really enjoy being filled with worry.

  233. Betsy - Hughes rules (pleading the Fifth) May 5th, 2010 at 7:39 pm

    M, I think so………..but I’m either tough or stupid because I keep coming back for more. Maybe I’m masochist, lol

  234. Erin May 5th, 2010 at 7:41 pm

    Uncle Ellsworth May 5th, 2010 at 7:37 pm
    what is “white album dung”

    ***********************

    I don’t know, but I don’t like the sound of it. :x

  235. MTU (aka GBURL) May 5th, 2010 at 7:41 pm

    CB-

    “So you’re hypothesizing that Amaro has been a McFerrin collaborator?”

    I would seem they shared the same mushrooms, or smoked the same pipe, no ? :)

  236. Uncle Ellsworth May 5th, 2010 at 7:42 pm

    sounds like something Bungalow Bill stepped in.

  237. mick May 5th, 2010 at 7:43 pm

    # Betsy – Hughes rules (pleading the Fifth) May 5th, 2010 at 7:39 pm

    M, I think so………..but I’m either tough or stupid because I keep coming back for more. Maybe I’m masochist, lol
    ==============================
    Or like I said, maybe you enjoy the attention.

  238. Bronx Born May 5th, 2010 at 7:44 pm

    Should Andy miss a couple of starts, will the Yanks bring anyone up or will they use Ace or Mitre? Any thoughts?

  239. Erin May 5th, 2010 at 7:45 pm

    Uncle Ellsworth May 5th, 2010 at 7:42 pm
    sounds like something Bungalow Bill stepped in.

    *************************

    :lol:

    Or perhaps Rocky Racoon?

  240. MTU (aka GBURL) May 5th, 2010 at 7:45 pm

    Betsy-

    “Maybe I’m masochist”

    In my professional opinion you a a Sado-Masochist.

    But hey, what do I know.

    I’m crazier than a bent nail. :)

  241. Erin May 5th, 2010 at 7:46 pm

    Bronx Born May 5th, 2010 at 7:44 pm
    Should Andy miss a couple of starts, will the Yanks bring anyone up or will they use Ace or Mitre? Any thoughts?

    **********************
    My guess is they’ll just use Mitre. From what I’ve been reading, it doesn’t sound like he’s expceted to miss much time, so I they should be able to get by with Sergio. :)

  242. Uncle Ellsworth May 5th, 2010 at 7:47 pm

    Andy Racoon “I’ll be better, I’ll be better as soon as I am able”

  243. Tom in N.J May 5th, 2010 at 7:47 pm

    Eat to many savory truffles and glass onions gives one white album dung…

  244. CB May 5th, 2010 at 7:48 pm

    “Anybody know where I can immediately look up things like all-time highest/lowest BABIP, or will I have to look through fangraphs year by year?”

    Looking up all time highest BABIP isn’t the right approach because it’s one of the single biggest differences between the dead ball and live ball eras.

    If you look up the highest babip of all time almost all of them will be from the dead ball era. It was just an entirely different game.

    Here are the highest babip over the past 50 odd seasons or any player with at least 500 plate appearances. I was looking this up myself the other day:

    “Over the past 50 years, in seasons of at least 502 plate appearances (the number needed to qualify for the batting title) the highest BABIP marks have been .411, by Rod Carew in 1977; .408, by Manny Ramirez in 2000; .406, by Jose Hernandez in 2002; and .405, by Andres Galarraga in 1993 and Roberto Clemente in 1967. Ichiro Suzuki, Derek Jeter, and David Wright are the only others to have reached a .400 BABIP. Thus, in 50 years, a batter has had at least a .400 BABIP while qualifying for the batting title only eight times.”

    Highest career BABIP of current players:

    Top Career BABIP (Min. 1,800 PA)

    Player BABIP Career K%
    Matt Kemp .366 24.8 %
    Derek Jeter .362 16.9 %
    Ichiro Suzuki .359 9.8 %
    Matt Holliday .354 18.7 %
    Hanley Ramirez .354 18.4 %
    Bobby Abreu .351 21.5 %
    David Wright .350 20.1 %
    Miguel Cabrera .350 21.0 %
    Joe Mauer .349 11.5 %
    B.J. Upton .345 27.7 %

    http://www.ballyourbase.com/po.....to-hit-400

  245. Doreen - GTLU Standings, Updates, Calendar & Rules May 5th, 2010 at 7:48 pm

    Betsy -

    I knew what I wrote first was going to upset you. I am thankful mel gave me the opportunity to give the other side to it. I don’t think whether a person worries or doesn’t worry has anything to do with their value as a person or the validity of their fandom. I have no right to criticize anyone. I don’t agree with everything you say; you don’t agree with everything I say. That is not a problem at all. I worry, too. I had to learn to let a lot of worries go; there’s simply no room for things I can’t control. And I can’t control the Yankees. So I don’t “worry.” BUT I can’t stay in the room when Mo pitches for a save and I don’t like to watch pitching innings. I shut the game off in the top of the ninth today. So, is that rational? It’s totally ridiculous. But it’s funny.

  246. LGY May 5th, 2010 at 7:48 pm

    Generalizations about people on this board are thrown around far too often.

    Currently, the phenomenon is to label and dismiss posters as “worriers.”

    The purpose of this forum is to discuss baseball and more particularly our thoughts/feelings about the New York Yankees.

    Not everything has to lead to a macro analysis and push aside all the micro issues, thoughts, reactions, feelings, etc. If it did there would be very little reason to have this forum.

    In the past week, an important part of their rotation continued to flounder, they lost their CF, their catcher is hurt and has missed some games, their closer is nicked up, the bullpen is struggling, portions of the lineup are anemic, and another important part of the rotation has some sort of elbow issue.

    These are all acceptable things to be concerned about and more importantly to discuss in their own right without dismissing people and cramming the macro party line down their throat.

    This type of discussion happens constantly on this board (for example concern about A-Rod earlier today) without incident, dismissal, or writing someone off as a worrier.

    The most interesting aspect of the recent discourse is that often in life the underlying motivation of people who are most adamant about dismissing those with concerns are actually trying to convince themselves nothing is wrong instead of that other person.

  247. Bronx Born May 5th, 2010 at 7:49 pm

    Thanks Erin, that’s what I thought but was interested in what the crew here had to say.

  248. Erin May 5th, 2010 at 7:49 pm

    Uncle Ellsworth May 5th, 2010 at 7:47 pm
    Andy Racoon “I’ll be better, I’ll be better as soon as I am able”

    *********************
    Love it. :D

  249. Bronx Jeers May 5th, 2010 at 7:49 pm

    I think it’ll be Mitre if Andy can’t go Tuesday.

    But I’m sure they want come to that decision sooner rather than later as Mitre wouldn’t be available over the weekend and they may want another arm.

  250. Uncle Ellsworth May 5th, 2010 at 7:49 pm

    a ginger sling with a pinapple tart?

    probably my favorite album – most of it is utter nonesense

  251. Nick in SF May 5th, 2010 at 7:50 pm

    “Paranoid Android”
    Nice “OK Computer” song
    Like “Optimistic”

  252. MG May 5th, 2010 at 7:50 pm

    Andy’s injury has no impact on the Sox series, he wasn’t pitching anyway. The Yankees have Phil, CC and AJ lined up, for some reason that gives me comfort that they aren’t running into trouble against a Sox team that is sub 500 at home this year.

    Being realistic is not showing optimism, it’s understanding that the team is really good and can win without all the parts-maybe not a World Series, but certainly over the short term while these injuries are being healed. Losing Andy for 1 or 2 games out of the next 10 isn’t going to make that much difference because the other 3 top guys are pitching great and Vazquez will probably make at least one good start between now and the next milennium. Plus, they haven’t really hit yet-when Johnson, Teix and Arod are all hot together this is a lineup that will score 7+ runs a game so the pitching won’t have to be as sharp as it’s been so far.

  253. S.A.--Serenity Now May 5th, 2010 at 7:51 pm

    Come soon Friday 7:10pm

  254. CB May 5th, 2010 at 7:51 pm

    The angels aren’t the defensive team they used to be.

  255. champ809 May 5th, 2010 at 7:51 pm

    Betsy

    I think what’s kinda hard to understand about you is how, as a Yanks fan, you are so consumed with worry and pessimism regarding your own team but you are an undying optimist when it comes to the Yanks.

    case in point;

    The RedSux have been playing like crap and their pitching staff has been getting hammered. The entire RedSux bullpen has been horrific.

    Yet earlier you posted how they have a great staff and a juggernaut offense and they will turn it around and be a force in the AL East!…?

    two posts later Melancon hasn’t shown you anything and can’t be trusted…you spent all winter saying that Gardy wasn’t a major leaguer hitter, Cano can’t hit in the #5 spot etc…

    I mean if I didn’t feel like I know you somewhat after all these months sharing opinions on this blog I would think that you were anything but a Yanks fan and more of an admirer of the Sux.

    p.s. I know that that’s not the case, I’m just saying…

  256. Erica - always OPPC - Sesame Street Mafia and GTLU supporter May 5th, 2010 at 7:51 pm

    Doreen – GTLU Standings, Updates, Calendar & Rules May 5th, 2010 at 7:01 pm
    And one more thing – what happens with the Yankees, good or bad, happens. No amount of worry or optimism or wearing purple socks and taking showers is really going to make any difference (sorry, Erica ).

    **************

    Showers are a proven science!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    Try again Doreen :-)

  257. Tom in N.J May 5th, 2010 at 7:52 pm

    Cry baby Cry is my favorite Beatles song…

  258. GreenBeret7 May 5th, 2010 at 7:52 pm

    Betsy – Hughes rules (pleading the Fifth) May 5th, 2010 at 7:38 pm
    Regular regulars, GB, but I can’t worry about that. If I spent my life worrying about what people thought about me, I’d probably be paralyzed with fear.

    ———————————————————————————————————————-

    Betsy, the next time just “paste those pathetic palookas with a powerful, paralyzing, perfect pachydermous percussion pitch right between the eyes”.

  259. ... May 5th, 2010 at 7:53 pm

    CB: Awesome, thanks

    I was thinking about BABIP cause I remember hearing about how Austin Jackson’s BABIP was unsustainably good, but I couldn’t really grasp how rediculous it was, relatively.

  260. Betsy - Hughes rules (pleading the Fifth) May 5th, 2010 at 7:53 pm

    Doreen, I’ll try to respond later. Right now, I’m in a cooling down period. I am sick and tired of defending myself when I don’t need to. I’m sick of being stalked by an obsessive poster and I’m just tired overall. I just didn’t want you to think I was ignoring you.

  261. pat May 5th, 2010 at 7:53 pm

    Betsy

    Not sure this is a better explanation but here goes….

    Telling someone you don’t care what they say or think about your worrying is really caring what they say because you’re responding to it. Not responding to it is the best way to show you don’t care what they think.

  262. Erin May 5th, 2010 at 7:54 pm

    Tom in N.J May 5th, 2010 at 7:52 pm
    Cry baby Cry is my favorite Beatles song…

    ****************************
    That’s definitely up on my list. Love that song.

  263. Tom May 5th, 2010 at 7:55 pm

    An optimist IS a better fan than a pessimist.

    Fans who complain and worry all the time are not real fans, period.

  264. Erin May 5th, 2010 at 7:55 pm

    Uncle Ellsworth May 5th, 2010 at 7:49 pm
    a ginger sling with a pinapple tart?

    probably my favorite album – most of it is utter nonesense

    ************************
    I love The White Album, but nothing beats Rubber Soul for me.

  265. Betsy - Hughes rules (pleading the Fifth) May 5th, 2010 at 7:55 pm

    Champ, I think that is really unfair. So, because I respect the Red Sox, you think that I sound like a Sox fan? I am in no mood to argue so let’s just agree to disagree. That’s my motto from now on.

  266. Bronx Born May 5th, 2010 at 7:56 pm

    Doreen, I know exactly what you mean. There are times when I have to switch channels I get so pent up. :)

  267. CB May 5th, 2010 at 7:56 pm

    Jackson’s current BABIP is really just amazing by historical standards. It’s not even close to the highest BABIP recorded over the past 50 years. It’s not even in the ball park as you can see from the data.

    That said, I’ve liked what i’ve seen from Jackson at the plate. He’s using a real inside out swing and taking a lot of pitches the other way. Not trying to do too much.

    It’s not a swing that will generate much power at all but it’s going to get him hits.

  268. Uncle Ellsworth May 5th, 2010 at 7:57 pm

    Julia is a great one
    Blackbird

  269. MG May 5th, 2010 at 7:57 pm

    Betsy, some of us just want you to worrry a little less and enjoy a little more so we try to explain how things aren’t as bad as it may seem to you.

  270. Betsy - Hughes rules (pleading the Fifth) May 5th, 2010 at 7:57 pm

    Pat, I think that’s true. However, I’m only human – when I’m constantly told I’m overreacting (when, in fact, that same person has said something similar not long before), there’s only so much I can take before I respond.

  271. Uncle Ellsworth May 5th, 2010 at 7:58 pm

    What song from Rubber Soul?

  272. Erin May 5th, 2010 at 7:58 pm

    Uncle Ellsworth May 5th, 2010 at 7:57 pm
    Julia is a great one
    Blackbird

    ********************
    Dear Prudence!!

  273. Uncle Ellsworth May 5th, 2010 at 7:59 pm

    I find it much easier to watch close games this year – house money until Oct

  274. CR9 May 5th, 2010 at 7:59 pm

    CB

    No. Did not see the match today, just the 4th Madrid goal.

    Sir Alex did not want him to go. He had wanted to go to Madrid the year before as well. We got lucky keeping him for an extra year, getting the opportunity against Barca in the CL Final with him. He was never staying for another year.

    ___

    Watching Tom Caron on NESN’s pregame today, and TC said about Andy’s injury:

    “Could be bad news for the Yankees, good news for the Sox.”

    :lol:

  275. champ809 May 5th, 2010 at 7:59 pm

    “Undying optimist when it comes to the RedSox”…sorry it is Cinco de Mayo

  276. Erin May 5th, 2010 at 8:00 pm

    Uncle Ellsworth May 5th, 2010 at 7:58 pm
    What song from Rubber Soul?

    *************************
    So many to choose from!!

    Nowhere Man (which if I was forced to pick, would probably be my favorite)
    Norwegian Wood
    You Won’t See Me
    In My Life

  277. Tom in N.J May 5th, 2010 at 8:00 pm

    “I’ve Just Seen a Face”

  278. Uncle Ellsworth May 5th, 2010 at 8:00 pm

    Right On Erin

  279. mick May 5th, 2010 at 8:01 pm

    # Betsy – Hughes rules (pleading the Fifth) May 5th, 2010 at 7:57 pm

    Pat, I think that’s true. However, I’m only human – when I’m constantly told I’m overreacting (when, in fact, that same person has said something similar not long before), there’s only so much I can take before I respond.
    ==================================
    You have no problem not responding to me.

  280. Bronx Born May 5th, 2010 at 8:01 pm

    Jeez can you just leave Betsy alone. Just let her be. So she worries. She doesn’t hurt anyone or anything here. I don’t agree with her a lot but this is a public forum and she is entitled to her opinion. There is no reason to pick at her. Bullying is uncalled for. If you don’t like her posts don’t read them

  281. Erica - always OPPC - Sesame Street Mafia and GTLU supporter May 5th, 2010 at 8:01 pm

    I can’t choose a favorite Beatles album or song. So I will give a Top 5

    (Or at least my top 5 at this second)

    I’m Looking Through You
    I’ll Get You
    I’ll Follow the Sun
    Helter Skelter
    If I Fell

  282. Erin May 5th, 2010 at 8:02 pm

    Tom in N.J May 5th, 2010 at 8:00 pm
    “I’ve Just Seen a Face”

    **********************
    Love that song.

  283. Erica - always OPPC - Sesame Street Mafia and GTLU supporter May 5th, 2010 at 8:02 pm

    Tom in N.J May 5th, 2010 at 8:00 pm
    “I’ve Just Seen a Face”

    *************

    I ALMOST put that on my list!

  284. Bronx Born May 5th, 2010 at 8:02 pm

    Erin,

    I am with you on Norwegian Wood, that is my favorite Beatles song of all time

  285. Betsy - Hughes rules (pleading the Fifth) May 5th, 2010 at 8:02 pm

    LOL GB

    MG, maybe so, but it comes off as lecturing and condescension from some people. I made a comment about how I expected Phil to go through some growing pains this year (this was last night) and I got raked over the coals from some of the same people that said the same thing in ST. I wasn’t worried, I was being realistic, but you would have thought I was chicken little. This board is a perfect example of a pavlovian reaction. If I say something, the automatic kneejerk response from people is that I’m worrying; if someone else says the same thing, it’s a pearl of wisdom.

    I am not optimistic about the Yankees, I am not pessimistic about the Yankees. I have no clue as to where they will finish in their division. My concerns about Andy and the rotation are well-founded (thank you LGY). I have not said one thing that anyone could construe as over the top.

  286. CRAWDADDY (Boycott ESPN-NY) May 5th, 2010 at 8:02 pm

    Right, there must be something else to talk about other than Betsy’s posts.

  287. Uncle Ellsworth May 5th, 2010 at 8:03 pm

    Wow Erica
    Great list

    I’m looking through you……….You;re not the same!

  288. Betsy - Hughes rules (pleading the Fifth) May 5th, 2010 at 8:04 pm

    Why should I respond to you, Mick? You are purposely trying to antagonize me………….you and Miggs can get your jollies together.

  289. Nick in SF May 5th, 2010 at 8:04 pm

    Whoa, Austin Jackson!
    Unsustainable BAPIP
    A reverse Phil Hughes

  290. Erin May 5th, 2010 at 8:05 pm

    Erica – always OPPC – Sesame Street Mafia and GTLU supporter May 5th, 2010 at 8:01 pm
    I can’t choose a favorite Beatles album or song. So I will give a Top 5

    (Or at least my top 5 at this second)

    I’m Looking Through You
    I’ll Get You
    I’ll Follow the Sun
    Helter Skelter
    If I Fell

    *********************
    It’s impossible to do a top 5, isn’t it?

    Great list, though. :)

  291. Doreen - GTLU Standings, Updates, Calendar & Rules May 5th, 2010 at 8:05 pm

    This “Mighty Fix It” product looks pretty good.

  292. Uncle Ellsworth May 5th, 2010 at 8:05 pm

    top 10 beatles songs that were not released as singles??

  293. raymagnetic May 5th, 2010 at 8:05 pm

    Marley’s don’t worry song is actually called “3 little birds”.

    He also has “no woman, no cry” which is sort of a dont worry type of song.

    State of mind really is a choice however. We choose how to react to situations. Some people choose to worry about everything, some worry about nothing, others are in the middle.

    “People will always be who they are, and that’s what really makes the world go round” – Damian “Jr. Gong” Marley

  294. CR9 May 5th, 2010 at 8:06 pm

    Watching some highlights of Nomar Garciaparra night in Boston, it is awesome.

    Nomar is such a laughingstock joke. It’s fun to watch. Watching Nomar crawl back to the Sox, just so he can have his job on ESPN. I love watching Nomar. He is the lowest of the low.

  295. Erin May 5th, 2010 at 8:06 pm

    Bronx Born May 5th, 2010 at 8:02 pm
    Erin,

    I am with you on Norwegian Wood, that is my favorite Beatles song of all time

    **********************
    It’s such a beautiful song. I think that would come in at a very close second to Nowhere Man.

  296. Bronx Jeers May 5th, 2010 at 8:06 pm

    Sure, but does the song
    score me enough points for a
    photo in Milbrae?

    :wink:

  297. mick May 5th, 2010 at 8:06 pm

    Betsy, you have a target on your back and you like it. It gets you attention. Is it a coincidence so many react the same to you or is it intentional on your part for the attention you get?

    How would you feel if everyone ignored you? Pretty bad, I’d guess.

  298. MTU (aka GBURL) May 5th, 2010 at 8:07 pm

    I am a summa cum laude graduate of the distinguished Alfred E. Newman of worrying.

    I hold advanced degrees in Absurdity, Obtuseness, Iconoclasm, Skepticism, and Cryptics.

    I highly recommend the school and the courses to all.

    They are pure fun and will get you down the road of life in style. :)

  299. CRAWDADDY (Boycott ESPN-NY) May 5th, 2010 at 8:07 pm

    Heyward left the Braves game, looks like he might be hurt too.

  300. Mark May 5th, 2010 at 8:07 pm

    Yankees have too many “old” players ( “old” in baseball terms means anyone over 30).

    But, yes the Yanks have more older players than some other rivals (Tampa) and this is what happens — days off, “not sure when he’ll be back”…, etc.

  301. GreenBeret7 May 5th, 2010 at 8:07 pm

    Alfonso Soriano’s bat is smoking hot right now. 5 game hitting streak with homers in 4 straight games with 11 RBI with just 2 strikeouts. On;y 16 so far with 8 walks and a .326 BA.

  302. Erica - always OPPC - Sesame Street Mafia and GTLU supporter May 5th, 2010 at 8:08 pm

    e Ellsworth May 5th, 2010 at 8:03 pm
    Wow Erica
    Great list

    I’m looking through you……….You;re not the same!
    ***********

    Thanks Uncle E!

  303. Betsy - Hughes rules (pleading the Fifth) May 5th, 2010 at 8:08 pm

    http://sportsillustrated.cnn.c.....ses/1.html

    28. Phil Hughes, who came into spring allegedly in competition with the likes of Sergio Mitre (plus Joba Chamberlain, Chad Gaudin and Alfredo Aceves) for a starting slot, has a 0.88 WHIP to go with his 3-0 record and 1.44 ERA.

    29. Ian Kennedy, once closely associated with Hughes when the two were Yankees prospects, is almost as good. He’s 2-1 and the supposed soft tosser has 30 strikeouts for the Diamondbacks

    ****

    Since when was Ian Kennedy ever considered anywhere close to the prospect Phil was?

  304. Uncle Ellsworth May 5th, 2010 at 8:09 pm

    Something
    While my Guitar gently weeps

    don’t forget the quiet one

  305. Erin May 5th, 2010 at 8:09 pm

    Uncle Ellsworth May 5th, 2010 at 8:05 pm
    top 10 beatles songs that were not released as singles??

    **************************

    Two that spring immediately to mind: All My Loving and I Don’t Want to Spoil the Party

  306. Erin May 5th, 2010 at 8:10 pm

    Uncle Ellsworth May 5th, 2010 at 8:09 pm
    Something
    While my Guitar gently weeps

    *********************
    Here Comes The Sun-my favorite Harrison song!!

  307. CRAWDADDY (Boycott ESPN-NY) May 5th, 2010 at 8:10 pm

    Closely associated means they were both in the Yankee rotation together back in 2008 when the Yankees tried to go with basically two rookie starters.

  308. Erica - always OPPC - Sesame Street Mafia and GTLU supporter May 5th, 2010 at 8:10 pm

    Erin May 5th, 2010 at 8:05 pm

    It’s impossible to do a top 5, isn’t it?

    Great list, though.

    ************

    There were like 5 other songs I couldn’t decide on- Other faves:

    I Feel Fine
    I Don’t Wanna Spoil the Party
    You Won’t See Me
    Got to Get You Into my Life
    I’ve Got a Feeling

  309. Nick in SF May 5th, 2010 at 8:11 pm

    Happy Beatles songs
    Make me happy (redundant)
    “For No One: sad times

  310. Erica - always OPPC - Sesame Street Mafia and GTLU supporter May 5th, 2010 at 8:11 pm

    Something was my parent’s wedding song!

  311. Erica - always OPPC - Sesame Street Mafia and GTLU supporter May 5th, 2010 at 8:12 pm

    Nick in SF May 5th, 2010 at 8:11 pm
    Happy Beatles songs
    Make me happy (redundant)
    “For No One: sad times

    **********

    For No One is great too, but too sad-

    Happy Just To Dance With You = Super Happy!

  312. Betsy - Hughes rules (pleading the Fifth) May 5th, 2010 at 8:12 pm

    Craw, I don’t think that’s what he meant even though that’s the only thing that makes sense. I find it hard to believe that IPK has been nearly as dominant as Phil has, but he definitely has been good.

  313. GreenBeret7 May 5th, 2010 at 8:12 pm

    Betsy – Hughes rules (pleading the Fifth) May 5th, 2010 at 8:04 pm
    Why should I respond to you, Mick? You are purposely trying to antagonize me………….you and Miggs can get your jollies together.

    ———————————————————————————————————————-

    Perfect pitch, Betsy. a high, hard one to knock ‘em in the dirt. Drill them in the ribs with the next one.

  314. Erin May 5th, 2010 at 8:12 pm

    Uncle E-two more great ones never released as singles: “You’ve Got to Hide Your Love Away”, “Two of Us”

  315. raymagnetic May 5th, 2010 at 8:13 pm

    “Since when was Ian Kennedy ever considered anywhere close to the prospect Phil was?”

    I believe Kennedy was rated as the number 2 Yankee prospect at one point.

  316. Uncle Ellsworth May 5th, 2010 at 8:13 pm

    no sign of love behind the tears

  317. Erin May 5th, 2010 at 8:13 pm

    Nick in SF May 5th, 2010 at 8:11 pm
    Happy Beatles songs
    Make me happy (redundant)
    “For No One: sad times

    *************************
    “For No One” is one of my favorites :)

  318. Erin May 5th, 2010 at 8:14 pm

    Erica – always OPPC – Sesame Street Mafia and GTLU supporter May 5th, 2010 at 8:11 pm
    Something was my parent’s wedding song!

    **********************
    For my parents it was “In My Life”

  319. MTU (aka GBURL) May 5th, 2010 at 8:14 pm

    Nowhere Man
    Fixing a Hole
    Gooday Sunshine
    Here comes the Sun
    Obla Di Obla Da

  320. Uncle Ellsworth May 5th, 2010 at 8:14 pm

    till there was you – cover

  321. Betsy - Hughes rules (pleading the Fifth) May 5th, 2010 at 8:15 pm

    LOL GB, not worth my time…..

  322. pat May 5th, 2010 at 8:15 pm

    Spoke with Cashman. He thinks Pettitte likely misses a start. DL not an option right now.
    6 minutes ago

  323. CRAWDADDY (Boycott ESPN-NY) May 5th, 2010 at 8:16 pm

    “Craw, I don’t think that’s what he meant even though that’s the only thing that makes sense.”

    I think that’s what he meant by being closely associated because that experiment gone wrong basically sunk the Yankee season along with Wang’s and Joba’s injuries which caused Cashman to get CC and AJ that offseason.

  324. CRAWDADDY (Boycott ESPN-NY) May 5th, 2010 at 8:17 pm

    Why do people quote a tweet, but without knowing which person’s tweet it was?

  325. Uncle Ellsworth May 5th, 2010 at 8:18 pm

    I don’t know why you say good by I say hello

  326. Erin May 5th, 2010 at 8:19 pm

    pat-who is that tweet from?

  327. MTU (aka GBURL) May 5th, 2010 at 8:19 pm

    GB-

    Warren at it again for Tampa. :)

  328. CRAWDADDY (Boycott ESPN-NY) May 5th, 2010 at 8:20 pm

    Looks like my first two games at Comerica Park next week might not be as good of a pitching experience as I was planning them to be. Luckily, I have tickets to all four games so CC and AJ are pitching the series too.

  329. GreenBeret7 May 5th, 2010 at 8:21 pm

    Erica – always OPPC – Sesame Street Mafia and GTLU supporter May 5th, 2010 at 8:11 pm
    Something was my parent’s wedding song

    ———————————————————————————————————————-

    What kind of daughter are you that doesn’t even know your parents’ ‘wedding song”. You only know that it was something? I know my parents. It was “Something Stupid.” They must have know there was an ill wind blowing to have 7 kids.

  330. Tom in N.J May 5th, 2010 at 8:21 pm

    All together now?

  331. Erin May 5th, 2010 at 8:21 pm

    Have a good rest of the night, LoHuders. I’m off to catch up on some of my DVR. :)

  332. Bronx Jeers May 5th, 2010 at 8:21 pm

    I recall in college having to recite a poem from memory.

    I thought I could do one of Shakespeare’s sonnets but I choked at the last second. Luckily “Eleanor Rigby” was also one of the selections and I knew it so I gave it a shot.

    “Aaahhh look at all the lonely people……Aaahhh look at all the lonely people” just does not sound very good in spoken word form.

  333. Betsy - Hughes rules (pleading the Fifth) May 5th, 2010 at 8:21 pm

    Craw, that’s a good point. I think, however, that if Phil hadn’t gotten hurt, the experiment wouldn’t have been such a bad one because I think he would have been fine……. as a 5th starter. The reason why it was bad was because IPK was given a spot based on 3 starts. Phil should have been the #5 and the Yanks should have found a #4. As it turned out, Phil pitched with an injury with disastrous results.

    He’s not gotten as much publicity as I would have thought considering the fact that the media piled on him when he was struggling…..but, I guess it doesn’t matter.

  334. pat May 5th, 2010 at 8:21 pm

    Crawdaddy-

    Laziness. I can double tap and get the tweet but have to hold down buttons to get the name.

    jimbaumbach Spoke with Cashman. He thinks Pettitte likely misses a start. DL not an option right now.
    10 minutes ago

  335. Betsy - Hughes rules (pleading the Fifth) May 5th, 2010 at 8:22 pm

    Think positive, Craw, lol – Javy could pitch great and whoever replaces Andy also might throw a gem. Detroit’s a good young team…

  336. CRAWDADDY (Boycott ESPN-NY) May 5th, 2010 at 8:22 pm

    He keeps pitching like he’s doing, he won’t have to worry about publicity.

  337. Betsy - Hughes rules (pleading the Fifth) May 5th, 2010 at 8:23 pm

    Pat, thanks – that’s good news.

  338. pat May 5th, 2010 at 8:25 pm

    So Ortiz just bought himself another week I presume.

  339. Betsy - Hughes rules (pleading the Fifth) May 5th, 2010 at 8:25 pm

    That’s what I keep telling myself, Craw, lol. It was really more of an observation than anything else as I’m not bothered by it. I’m just enjoying watching him pitch…..

  340. CRAWDADDY (Boycott ESPN-NY) May 5th, 2010 at 8:25 pm

    I’ve been taking a lot of ribbing from Tiger fans and I would like nothing better than to see the Yankees dominate them next week in Detroit. In the offseason they were all crying about Granderson going to the Yankees for Austin Jackson. Now, Austin Jackson is the best thing since sliced breed. Damon’s hot start got them excited too, but I see he left the game today with his usual calf problem.

  341. Uncle Ellsworth May 5th, 2010 at 8:26 pm

    no one was saved

  342. CR9 May 5th, 2010 at 8:27 pm

    Piniero has been getting cheated all game. And Lackey actually received a few strike calls that started out and ended in the other batter’s box.

  343. Yank 97 May 5th, 2010 at 8:27 pm

    Ortiz goes yard

    2-0 Sox.

  344. Betsy - Hughes rules (pleading the Fifth) May 5th, 2010 at 8:28 pm

    Boy, the Angels can’t get out of their own way…..

  345. CR9 May 5th, 2010 at 8:28 pm

    repost

    Watching Tom Caron on NESN’s pregame today, and TC said about Andy’s injury:

    “Could be bad news for the Yankees, good news for the Sox.”

  346. Betsy - Hughes rules (pleading the Fifth) May 5th, 2010 at 8:30 pm

    I’m just waiting for Granderson to come back and be his usual terrific self; I would make that trade every day of the week and thrice (just wanted to say that word) on Sunday.

  347. Banjo May 5th, 2010 at 8:30 pm

    CR9 – Don’t expect the Angels and Scocia to help us out when he faces the Angels.

    He did once last year after 6 years of failure, now he and the Angels are back to their old tricks. Save yourself the aggravation and expect the Sox to win all 4 of these games and be pleasantly surprised if the Angels show some guts and take one.

  348. My Parenthood May 5th, 2010 at 8:31 pm

    (alpha) The Red Sox have no offense.

    (beta) The Red Sox bullpen is mediocre.

    (gamma) We Yanks have the best bullpen in the league.

    (delta) The Red Sox starting rotation is a mess.

    (epsilon) We Yanks have the best lineup in baseball.

  349. GreenBeret7 May 5th, 2010 at 8:32 pm

    MTU, warren has pitched a lot better than that 3-2 record indicates. 36 innings, 34 hits, 8 total runs, 6 walks and 26 strikeouts and just 1 homer allowed.

  350. pat May 5th, 2010 at 8:32 pm

    Life could be worse, you could be an O’s fan. :wink:

    http://weblogs.baltimoresun.co.....oles/blog/

  351. CR9 May 5th, 2010 at 8:32 pm

    Banjo

    Don’t worry! That is my point of view, but I cannot help but get angry anyways at the complete lack of effort, and help of umpires.

    Such is life, I guess!

  352. My Parenthood May 5th, 2010 at 8:32 pm

    (zeta) Austin Jackson is “Unsustainable”

    (eta) Ortiz is done.

  353. Erica - always OPPC - Sesame Street Mafia and GTLU supporter May 5th, 2010 at 8:34 pm

    GreenBeret7 May 5th, 2010 at 8:21 pm
    Erica – always OPPC – Sesame Street Mafia and GTLU supporter May 5th, 2010 at 8:11 pm
    Something was my parent’s wedding song

    ———————————————————————————————————————-

    What kind of daughter are you that doesn’t even know your parents’ ‘wedding song”. You only know that it was something? I know my parents. It was “Something Stupid.” They must have know there was an ill wind blowing to have 7 kids.
    ********************

    Hahaha. My dad always likes to tell about when he was at a wedding or something and he requested the dj to play “Something” by the Beatles. So the DJ played “Michelle”

  354. MTU (aka GBURL) May 5th, 2010 at 8:34 pm

    GB-

    “MTU, warren has pitched a lot better than that 3-2 record indicates. 36 innings, 34 hits, 8 total runs, 6 walks and 26 strikeouts and just 1 homer allowed.”

    Promotion to Trenton at halftime. :)

    What has happened to Z-Mac lately ?

  355. My Parenthood May 5th, 2010 at 8:36 pm

    (theta) Tex and Nick Johnson will turn their season around.

  356. CR9 May 5th, 2010 at 8:36 pm

    Did anyone hear that Lackey talked smack about the Angels (the only team he has won a World Series for)

  357. Al May 5th, 2010 at 8:36 pm

    Sox are such a streaky team

    They lose 4 in a row to Tampa, then go into Toronto and win 3.
    They get swept in Baltimore 3 and are probably going to sweep the Angels 4

    Both teams will be going into the series hot.

  358. blake May 5th, 2010 at 8:37 pm

    I just don’t think the Angels are all that good. Morales and Matsui are the only guys that scare in that lineup, their pen isn’t nearly what it used to be, and to me their rotation is the most overrated rotation in baseball. They are a solid team but are significantly weaker than a year ago IMO.

  359. MTU (aka GBURL) May 5th, 2010 at 8:37 pm

    My Parenthood-

    Try this. It’s stylin’

    &apha;
    β
    χ
    δ
    &episilon;
    γ

    Etc. :)

  360. GreenBeret7 May 5th, 2010 at 8:38 pm

    “Michelle”? I can only assume that is not your mother’s name, Erica. Hope your mom has a good sense of humor.

  361. R+ May 5th, 2010 at 8:39 pm

    Os finished a 12 game stretch against the Yankees and Sox at 5-7. They were 5-4 before we swept them.

    Not bad at all – Shater probably saved his job. That stretch had 2-10 written all over it.

  362. Betsy - Hughes rules (pleading the Fifth) May 5th, 2010 at 8:39 pm

    I think so too, Blake. I still respect them, but let’s face it – the 3rd best team in the AL East is better than most of the other division leaders in baseball.

  363. Betsy - Hughes rules (pleading the Fifth) May 5th, 2010 at 8:40 pm

    Well, the pitching matchups in Boston are droolworthy………here’s hoping we come out on top in at least 2/3.

  364. blake May 5th, 2010 at 8:41 pm

    “Well, the pitching matchups in Boston are droolworthy…”

    they really are. Should be some good games.

  365. Bronx Jeers May 5th, 2010 at 8:41 pm

    I think Abbey Road is my favorite. There’s a couple of minor clunkers in there but from ” I Want You” and on…I just love that sequence.

  366. Betsy - Hughes rules (pleading the Fifth) May 5th, 2010 at 8:43 pm

    I think CC/Lackey is the least “appealing”, which says a lot for the quality of the other matchups.

  367. Giuseppe Franco May 5th, 2010 at 8:44 pm

    Kennedy was always linked to Hughes and Joba.

    Not because of raw talent, but simply because these guys all came up at the same time and were expected to be an integral part of the team for years and years.

  368. CR9 May 5th, 2010 at 8:44 pm

    Betsy

    CC/Buchholz

  369. blake May 5th, 2010 at 8:45 pm

    “I think CC/Lackey is the least “appealing”, which says a lot for the quality of the other matchups.”

    I thought it was CC/Bucholtz? Lackey is throwing tonight. I

  370. Nick in SF May 5th, 2010 at 8:45 pm

    Awaiting email, Bronx
    Millbrae is still viable
    As part of golf trip

  371. Erica - always OPPC - Sesame Street Mafia and GTLU supporter May 5th, 2010 at 8:46 pm

    GreenBeret7 May 5th, 2010 at 8:38 pm
    “Michelle”? I can only assume that is not your mother’s name, Erica. Hope your mom has a good sense of humor.
    *************

    Nope-

    But in a way the DJ came though. He asked for “Something” by the Beatles… and he sure played something :-)

  372. GreenBeret7 May 5th, 2010 at 8:46 pm

    And the Greek God Of Strikeouts makes it 3 straight tonight.

  373. Dave May 5th, 2010 at 8:46 pm

    Hughes/Beckett
    CC/Buchholz
    AJ/Lester

  374. LGY May 5th, 2010 at 8:47 pm

    2009 was a very special season. It was no accident and no fluke what happened. The solutions did not arise out of thin air. That team was specifically designed to withstand the problems they encountered.

    The Yankees are a team with an aging core and one of Brian Cashman’s main goal the past few years has been to get younger and more athletic to mitigate the obvious risk associated with that. However, that is not an end within itself and it cannot happen overnight.

    Last year in order to mitigate that risk, Cashman assembled a team with incredible and enviable depth. He had a player pitching incredibly right now waiting in the wings in AAA. Think about that. Phil Hughes could have be in almost any other team in baseball’s rotation, yet he was there waiting in AAA. He put together a flexible and cheap bullpen with tons of pieces on the parent club and AAA that could be switched out and shuffled around. He put together the best offense in baseball, and still had a very good player in Nick Swisher on the bench. How many teams can say in recent memory they had a player of Nick Swisher’s caliber on the bench?

    All the problems the Yankees had last year were basically taken care of because they were more or less forseen by Cashman and protected against as such. While 2009 is described as “magical” by some and “lucky” by guys like Wally Matthews, it was very well planned and calculated by our General Manager.

    This year, as CB has pointed out, Vazquez and Granderson were acquired to mitigate the risks of an aging core and a heavily worked rotation. The risk-planning Cashman did this year was not one of depth like 2009. There is no one close to Hughes’ caliber in AAA, there is no one close to Nick Swisher on the bench, and most of the major bullpen pieces are already in the major leagues.

    Vazquez and Granderson were the guys brought in that were the Phil Hughes’ and Nick Swishers of last year. They were calculated to be the “safe” parts of the team.

    It is concerning when those guys are injured/ineffective because they are here in large part to protect against other injuries. We got a scare with Pettitte today, but the point was that this was fairly foreseeable going into the season. And it was not supposed to be a concern because of Vazquez. He needs to step it up for this team to run properly and the way it was designed to.

    Just 2 years ago, the Yankees were not designed to absorb significant injuries or ineffectiveness and it came back to bite them. The Yankees can and very likely will be fine with the current rash of injuries/problems (especially since this is not turning out to be the 3 team race most people thought it would be), but the road is a lot bumpier and riskier that way.

  375. CR9 May 5th, 2010 at 8:47 pm

    The 0-1 pitch that was just called a ball to Bobby Abreu was the same pitch location as numerous strikes for Lackey tonight.

    Lackey is doing the same thing each start, working outside to LH batters, putting the ball in the other batter’s box, and getting it called strikes some/half the time.

  376. Betsy - Hughes rules (pleading the Fifth) May 5th, 2010 at 8:48 pm

    Oh duh………thanks guys!

    GF, that’s true. I think I was reading too much into what Heyman was saying – big surprise, lol.

  377. BBYanks May 5th, 2010 at 8:48 pm

    Betsy,

    Well, the pitching matchups in Boston are droolworthy………here’s hoping we come out on top in at least 2/3
    ———————————

    Might be 2 out of 3; but since we are hoping, I hope its 3 out of 3 for NYY

  378. GreenBeret7 May 5th, 2010 at 8:49 pm

    That’s too funny, Erica. Rule of thumb: never hire a discount redneck DJ for weddings and bar mitzvahs.

  379. Nick in SF May 5th, 2010 at 8:49 pm

    Generation Trey
    Eternal linkage, thanks Kay
    Ian gone, you stay :(

  380. Betsy - Hughes rules (pleading the Fifth) May 5th, 2010 at 8:53 pm

    LGY, excellent post. Granderson is going to be back and he’ll still have plenty of time to make an impact. I wish people weren’t always focusing on his slump and assuming that that’s the player he is; if we judged all players on their slumps, no one would be in the HOF. Javy is absolutely key – I’m torn on whether to feel confident or not that he’ll turn it around. I believe he has the talent to do so and I believe his issues do not stem from any fear of NY, but he could use some positive reinforcemente.

    IPK has pitched very well, but I never thought he had a future here. IMO, he’s not a pitcher that would thrive in the AL; this trade was a very good one for him as I’m sure he’ll be fine in the weaker NL.

    I meant to add to my response to GF that, while I agree with him about IPK being associated with Phil and Joba because they came up together, they really should not have been mentioned in the same breath. Phil and Joba had ace-type ceilings that Ian did not have.

  381. MG May 5th, 2010 at 8:53 pm

    LGY, you make some good points but I see Vazquez as a 1 year rental, the prize for 2011 is Cliff Lee since Javy will be 34 and this is the final year of his contract.

  382. champ809 May 5th, 2010 at 8:53 pm

    “Since when was Ian Kennedy ever considered anywhere close to the prospect Phil was?”
    **************************************************************************

    since they were in the minors and IPK had a better year than Phil.

    While most felt that Phil had more upside because he has a plus fastball IPK had shown incredible pitchability and in ’07 they were closely ranked.

  383. blake May 5th, 2010 at 8:56 pm

    Rays going up against Cliff Lee ..descent chance the Yanks can pull into a tie tonight…Not that it matters on May 5th…..

  384. MG May 5th, 2010 at 8:57 pm

    you can’t compare Kennedy’s 2010 stats with Hughes, they aren’t even in the same universe. Kennedy has pitched decently but that’s about it, just look at his game logs.

  385. Betsy - Hughes rules (pleading the Fifth) May 5th, 2010 at 8:57 pm

    Generation Trey: blech

  386. MTU (aka GBURL) May 5th, 2010 at 8:57 pm

    Blake-

    Let’s hope Lee doesn’t fall off a Cliff. ;)

  387. blake May 5th, 2010 at 8:59 pm

    MTU,

    Yea, I think there is a better chance he loses 1-0 or 2-1 considering Garza is throwing well and Seattle can’t hit a lick.

  388. Betsy - Hughes rules (pleading the Fifth) May 5th, 2010 at 8:59 pm

    MG, I wasn’t going to make a big deal out of it, but I thought Heyman’s comments were just a bit off, lol (and IPK has pitched well, I don’t mean to imply that he hasn’t).

  389. Betsy - Hughes rules (pleading the Fifth) May 5th, 2010 at 9:00 pm

    Phil was the #1 pitching prospect in baseball – he was touted as a sure ace. Kennedy was just not considered in the same way………

  390. Betsy - Hughes rules (pleading the Fifth) May 5th, 2010 at 9:00 pm

    Lee will probably have to pitch a no-hitter…….

  391. champ809 May 5th, 2010 at 9:01 pm

    Again Bets

    If you compare the ’07 years that Phil, IPK and Joba put up in ’07 which was the only year that they spent together IPK had the best year of the 3 of them.

    Maddux wasn’t considered to be a future “ace” or 350 game winner when he was making his way through the minors because he lacked a plus fastball but what wasn’t projected was how much his skill and talent for pitching would play up.

    I’m not saying that IPK will be the next Maddux but I do believe that a kid who’s been as dominant at every level of playing the game as he has in his baseball life has a chance to be special. I for one am rooting hard for him to have a great season for the D’Backs and a very good if not great career.

    watching him outpitch Oswalt last night made me feel somewhat proud a I felt like he had an interlocking NY on the t-shirt he had on underneath his AZ jersey.

  392. MTU (aka GBURL) May 5th, 2010 at 9:02 pm

    Blake-

    “Seattle can’t hit a lick.”

    Or a baseball either.

  393. MG May 5th, 2010 at 9:02 pm

    Betsy, I didn’t even read who posted the stuff about Kennedy in the comments but it looked like a writer made the comparison, another lame attempt to sell newspapers by drawing attention to something sort of related to the Yankees

  394. champ809 May 5th, 2010 at 9:03 pm

    I was comparing their ’07 minor league stats and regarding their ’10 stats Kennedy has 1 bad game against I believe it was the Phils on his res…He’s thrown the ball real well….

    Hughes has been other worldly so far this season…

  395. blake May 5th, 2010 at 9:04 pm

    Does Daniel Bard pitch in every Red Sox game?

  396. Dave May 5th, 2010 at 9:05 pm

    Great game for Pinerio… the umps cheated him of dozens of strikes, yet he didn’t wilt.

    A shame the Angels batters haven’t helped him out. Santana yesterday and Pinero both did their jobs.

    Now the Sox can add a few tack on runs against their dreadful pen. Their favorite Scorr Shields should pitch the next ining

  397. MTU (aka GBURL) May 5th, 2010 at 9:05 pm

    Blake-

    “Does Daniel Bard pitch in every Red Sox game?”

    He’s getting the Scott Proctor treatment.

  398. MG May 5th, 2010 at 9:06 pm

    I’m neither rooting for or against Kennedy but he’s given up 7 HRs in 37 innings, that’s not exactly All Star material. The bad game was against the Dodgers, he pitched well against the Phils. Hughes has just been on another planet, there is no comparison in either performance or potential to be made between the 2 at this point in their careers.

  399. blake May 5th, 2010 at 9:06 pm

    “He’s getting the Scott Proctor treatment.”

    He really is…I guess you can’t blame Tito, who else do they have out there.

  400. MTU (aka GBURL) May 5th, 2010 at 9:09 pm

    Blake-

    “He really is…I guess you can’t blame Tito, who else do they have out there.”

    Complete with “clicking” elbow music.

  401. Betsy - Hughes rules (pleading the Fifth) May 5th, 2010 at 9:10 pm

    MG, it was just part of Jon Heyman’s article on surprises around MLB. I’m don’t think he meant anything by it, but if he really thinks that Phil and Ian are on the same planet in terms of how they’ve pitched (or will pitch), then he needs help. Still, it was just one comment – I don’t want to read too much into it.

    IPK will have a good career; frankly, he’s off to a better start than I thought. I’m not particularly paying attention to him, though – I admit that.

    Champ, was Phil even in the minors in 2007 for more than a few weeks?

  402. ray (sox fan) May 5th, 2010 at 9:11 pm

    How often do we see this? When a player is playing against his former team there just seems to be that extra motivation.

    Lackey has pitched 7 innings against the Angels and has allowed only two hits and one run.

    I haven’t been on here much lately. I just took a seasonal job in Alaska!!!

  403. champ809 May 5th, 2010 at 9:12 pm

    Actually in ’06 Phil was the 30th ranked prospect in baseball…Liriano was the highest ranked starter followed by Verlander and Lester and then Hughes…Joba and IPK were in college…

    In ’07 Joba was the #7 ranked minor league prospect and the highest ranked SP and IPK was the #26 ranked prospect and the 4th highest ranked SP…Hughes wasn’t in the top 40 at all due to an injury shortened season…

  404. champ809 May 5th, 2010 at 9:15 pm

    Hughes spent the first 6 weeks in the minors came up to the Bronx made like 3 starts got hurt missed 2 months and then spent maybe another month in Scranton before being called up in August to the big club…

    But if you look at IPK’s #’s they were sick he had like a 1.69 era over 3 levels with a 12k/9ip ratio and gave up like 30 fewer hits than innings pitched…he just dominated

  405. Betsy - Hughes rules (pleading the Fifth) May 5th, 2010 at 9:16 pm

    Ray, no way!

    How cool – what are you doing in Alaska? It is my DREAM to go there one day – I just need to do it.

  406. stuckey May 5th, 2010 at 9:17 pm

    “Generalizations about people on this board are thrown around far too often.”

    “The most interesting aspect of the recent discourse is that often in life the underlying motivation of people who are most adamant about dismissing those with concerns are actually trying to convince themselves nothing is wrong instead of that other person.”

    Now THAT, LGY, is impressive in its dexterity.

  407. Betsy - Hughes rules (pleading the Fifth) May 5th, 2010 at 9:17 pm

    Ray, Lackey’s been good for the Sox, I think. Your SP has certainly rounded into form…

  408. blake May 5th, 2010 at 9:17 pm

    Hideki with the outfield assist…not really the greatest throw but counts just the same.

  409. Betsy - Hughes rules (pleading the Fifth) May 5th, 2010 at 9:19 pm

    Lester was that highly ranked? Did Verlander go to college? Remember that Phil was drafted out of HS….

    I don’t know the individual years; I just know that people had Phil or Homer Bailey (mostly Phil, though) as the #1 pitching prospect.

  410. ray (sox fan) May 5th, 2010 at 9:19 pm

    Hi Betsy. I am driving a tour bus and being a tour guide in Ketchikan. It is in Southeast Alaska and is usually the first stop for many of the cruises.

    I am excited, but it is more of a challenge to keep up with the Sox and the Yankees.

  411. Betsy - Hughes rules (pleading the Fifth) May 5th, 2010 at 9:23 pm

    Ray, that is so amazing! When I get out there one day, I will look you up, lol. Yes, I think you will have a hard time following the Sox and Yanks, but you can log onto here and we will give your our honest opinions on both teams – with no bias whatsoever, lol.

    I have a twenty something year old cousin who drove cross-country from NY to Alaska to go to college – it still amazes me.

  412. Joe from Long Island May 5th, 2010 at 9:23 pm

    blake – I just saw that. I think the short LF in Fenway was a factor there. But, Matsui got the job done. Fenway is probably a good LF for him, despite the Monster. It’s relatively small, not much for him to run to.

  413. Betsy - Hughes rules (pleading the Fifth) May 5th, 2010 at 9:28 pm

    Nice article on Brett:

    http://sports.espn.go.com/new-.....id=5166504

    Gardner said he thinks the quickest he’s been timed to first base after an at-bat is about 3.9 seconds. Hughes, who shook his head, said it isn’t just Gardner’s sheer speed that’s bothersome to a pitcher — “It’s like he stands over there saying, ‘I don’t care if you know I’m going, because I’m going anyway’” — it’s that Gardner works hard on all the subtleties like studying what a pitcher’s move is, how quickly he’s been timed to home plate, how he holds his hands when he comes set, the catcher who’s playing. The works.

    Just the other day, as Hughes was preparing for his last start, Gardner came into the video room and said he wanted to study the pickoff move of some new reliever the White Sox have.

    Laughing, Hughes said, “A couple of us just looked at him and said, ‘Dude? Just go. They’re not going to throw you out.’”

  414. G. Love May 5th, 2010 at 9:30 pm

    I really hope we call someone up to start Tuesday. I don’t like shorting the pen by using the long man for a start while keeping Andy active (and unable to pitch).

    I don’t have the confidence the rest of you seem to have in Mitre. I feel once he goes through a lineup for a 2nd time he’ll get crushed.

    I’d rather see Ace get the start since he has better potential to go deeper into the game than I think Mitre will go.

    Either way though, our pitching is going to be short.

    I’d DL Andy just to have the other arm available and give the team a better staff to deal with the next 6-7 games with.

    If they don’t DL Andy, I’d take it as a sign that all is well and his arm is just being cranky.

    I hope he’s okay. He’s been lights out this year and it’s been fun watching him carry his post season over to this season.

  415. MTU (aka GBURL) May 5th, 2010 at 9:32 pm

    Betsy-

    As long as GGBG continues to get on base at a decent clip he’s deadly. :)

  416. Pel May 5th, 2010 at 9:32 pm

    My posts are being eaten.

  417. blake May 5th, 2010 at 9:32 pm

    Gardner is very fast but I almost think the legend of Gardner’s speed is becoming more of a factor than how fast he actually is. I know a month is a pretty small sample, but I can’t recall a guy causing this many fielding mistakes since Ichiro first came into the league. He puts infielders in panic mode as soon as he hits the ball.

  418. G. Love May 5th, 2010 at 9:35 pm

    blake,

    Gardner is that fast. I don’t think it’s legend that is driving how teams are forced to play him when he’s on base. If he continues to get on base close to his current clip, he will wreak havoc on the rest of the league.

    They’re on their toes and making mistakes because they have to, not because they are fearful of his legend.

  419. Pel May 5th, 2010 at 9:35 pm

    http://minormatterstrenton.blo.....video.html

  420. Pel May 5th, 2010 at 9:36 pm

    ^ videos of S t o n e b u r n e r

  421. stuckey May 5th, 2010 at 9:38 pm

    51-7 in career stolen bases for guy who’s basestealing instincts are somewhat questionable spell v-e-r-y f-a-s-t to me… :-)

  422. MTU (aka GBURL) May 5th, 2010 at 9:40 pm

    60 steals for GGBG this year ?

  423. blake May 5th, 2010 at 9:41 pm

    G. Love,

    I don’t disagree that if he continues to get on base at this clip then he will wreak havoc, he absolutely will. Its not because they are fearful, its because they know they have very little time and it causes them to rush, you make mistakes when you rush.

    Just like Tejada today, ball bunted right to him and he just froze up instead of throwing to second when he had plenty on time to get Gardner. Could be just a coincedence and a bad play by Tejada but there have been several examples of things like that this year. I think you misunderstood what I meant by “legend”, I wasn’t suggesting that Gardner isn’t fast as lightning, just that he’s causing people to rush plays and make more mistakes than they normally would.

  424. Betsy - Hughes rules (pleading the Fifth) May 5th, 2010 at 9:42 pm

    GLove, Mitre’s been pretty good this year, but I admit that I don’t exactly have confidence in him. I don’t even know if he could go past 4 innings or so – it’s not like he’s stretched out. I would not pitch Ace, though, after what happened last year…

    Our pen is short and I’m not that comfortable with it myself. We’ve got Joba, Ace, Marte and Robertson – obviously I’m not counting Mo. Mitre can’t pitch because he’s going to start. I can not see how the Yankees go into Fenway with this pen – it does make me nervous to not have a long man there.

  425. stuckey May 5th, 2010 at 9:42 pm

    MTU, that’s pretty much where I’d set the over/under, though I’d be inclined to take the under at between 55-60.

  426. CR9 May 5th, 2010 at 9:44 pm

    Pel

    If you use Mozilla Firefox, you can go back on the browser, and it will be as if you never submitted your comment. The comment that got eaten will be there for you to edit to try and get it through the filters.

  427. CR9 May 5th, 2010 at 9:46 pm

    LOL @ the Angels!

    LOL @ Orsillo yelling “struck him out and the Red Sox win” after a foul ball!

  428. blake May 5th, 2010 at 9:46 pm

    So thoughts on NJ’s mustache? Is it the source of his power? Will it make him hit?

  429. MTU (aka GBURL) May 5th, 2010 at 9:46 pm

    Stuckey-

    GGBG has shown a very good eye at the plate.

    Hit contact rate is insane.

    Has his swing been altered to help maximize contact, or do you think it was this way last year as well ?

    Why do you think he doesn’t bunt more, especially drag bunt ?

  430. Giuseppe Franco May 5th, 2010 at 9:46 pm

    Interesting stuff on Gardner. He really doesn’t have the best base-stealing instincts.

    He’s just so fast that any kind of jump is nearly impossible to throw him out unless the throw is right on the money.

    I’ve always been a Gardner guy, even during the countless and tiresome “Gardner vs. Melky” discussions we had in late 2008 and all of 2009.

    But he has so far exceeded even some of the most optimistic (but not absurd) expectations.

    They really need him to keep doing his thing because the offense really needs him with the injuries and lack of production from the heart of the order.

    So much for the the uncreative “he can’t steal 1st base” argument his detractors always used against him.

  431. Icebird753 May 5th, 2010 at 9:49 pm

    Anyone see IPK’s stats this yr? He rlly might be something; he’s got like 30 K’s already too

  432. MTU (aka GBURL) May 5th, 2010 at 9:51 pm

    Blake-

    The stache is part of it but I think it’s the golden thong he borrowed from Giambi that really makes the difference. ;)

  433. BBYanks May 5th, 2010 at 9:52 pm

    Giuseppe,

    Agree about the drag bunt; I noticed in today’s first at bat he was showing bunt on the first pitch.

    Usually when bunting he squares around and just tries to drop the ball, but today if you watched his feet and his hands on the bat it looked like a drag bunt attempt.

    He has been working on it and when he gets it down, it will put another wrinkle in the defenders mind about stopping him.

  434. MTU (aka GBURL) May 5th, 2010 at 9:52 pm

    meant to say “his” not “hit”. sorry.

  435. Pel May 5th, 2010 at 9:53 pm

    CR9, for some reason my posts triggered the filter by typing G r a h a m S t o n e b u r n e r (without spaces).

    At least, that’s what it seems like. Can somebody confirm this?

  436. stuckey May 5th, 2010 at 9:53 pm

    “Has his swing been altered to help maximize contact, or do you think it was this way last year as well ?”

    His swing has been altered to maximize his speed for sure, but I think the contact this is a byproduct of approach, due to an overlooked quality – bat speed.

    He’s letting the ball get in on him “late”, and has enough batspeed not to be too late on good fastball. As a result, he’s hardly ever out in front, and is recognizing pitches.

    “Why do you think he doesn’t bunt more, especially drag bunt ?”

    No idea. If I were to haphazard a pure guess, I’d say he was apprehensive to try it early in the year wanting to get off on a good start, and now he’s going so well he doesn’t want to mess with a good thing.

  437. I Hate Exams... May 5th, 2010 at 9:54 pm

    THE SI COVER CURSE AT WORK AGAIN!!! First Posada, then Rivera, now Andy. How has no one noticed this? Jeter is next (knock on wood)…

  438. JZ May 5th, 2010 at 9:58 pm

    LOL

    Angles are shameless. From now on, I am rooting against this team.

  439. Doreen - GTLU Standings, Updates, Calendar & Rules May 5th, 2010 at 9:59 pm

    Pel -

    I was at that game today and when I tried to type a report about Gr-a-ham’s performance it ate the post. I think it is because of a series of letters similar to Abr-a-ham.

  440. CR9 May 5th, 2010 at 10:00 pm

    Stoneburner

    Doreen

    You are right about ham

  441. stuckey May 5th, 2010 at 10:01 pm

    I of course hope Pettitte misses no time at all, but I have to admit, I’d look forward to seeing Mitre make a start.

    I’m bullish on the guy. I tend to think when players experience flashes of success, that it can often be extrapolated and expanded upon.

    Mitre showed flashes last year for sure, which usually fizzled out, but I’d like to see if he can get over that.

    Today’s HR aside, the indicators have been pretty good on him since day 1 of spring training.

  442. stuckey May 5th, 2010 at 10:04 pm

    Wasn’t that long ago the Angels were the Yankees nightmare scenario, not the Sox.

    I can’t say I mind seeing a perennial division power perhaps dig a large hole for themselves early, although in that division, they need to do more digging.

  443. MTU (aka GBURL) May 5th, 2010 at 10:04 pm

    Stuckey-

    GGBG is certainly doing well.

    Personally, I wish he would bunt more and especially drag bunt.

    The other thing I wish he would try to do intentionally from time to time is pound the ball into the ground- baltimore chop style.

    If he did those 2 extra things I think it would help his game even more.

    Perhaps, he will feature those things if he begins to slump ?

    He is so fast that there is very little margin for error on the part of the defense.

    They are forced to make a nearly perfect play on almost everything that comes their way via the ground.

    A hesitation, a bobble, a weak throw and it’s over. Base hit. :)

  444. blake May 5th, 2010 at 10:04 pm

    “So much for the the uncreative “he can’t steal 1st base” argument his detractors always used against him.”

    I’ll raise my hand…I honestly didn’t think he would make solid contact this consistently. Thing is he has changed both his approach and swing to better fit his skill set. He simply isn’t swinging and missing pitches often and he’s putting the ball in play and keeping it on the left side of the field for the most part. He keeps doing that and he will score a ton of runs and steal a ton of bases this year. Hey I’m happy to be wrong and hope he continues to prove that I was wrong.

  445. THE TRUTH May 5th, 2010 at 10:08 pm

    “mild-tendonitis” could mean so many thing. Yankees are 19-8, I would be ultra conservative with Pettite. Let Mitre start until Pettite feels 100%

  446. blake May 5th, 2010 at 10:09 pm

    Stuckey,

    I agree on Mitre. He’s not a great pitcher but he’s better than people think and I think he could do an admirable job if called upon to spot start. His sinker is night and day better than last year. He’s not a guy thats going to throw 8 shut out innings but pitching for this team he wouldn’t have to on many nights.

  447. MTU (aka GBURL) May 5th, 2010 at 10:10 pm

    Blake-

    Right now GGBG is Kickin A– and takin’ names.

    I was open-minded about GGBG and wanted to see him get a chance but I have to admit I did not think the odds favored this outcome.

    His approach right now is great, and if he adds a few things he is gonna be nearly unstoppable.

  448. THE TRUTH May 5th, 2010 at 10:11 pm

    Edit: I meant mild INFLAMMATION could mean so many things.

  449. Giuseppe Franco May 5th, 2010 at 10:12 pm

    I don’t have a whole lot of confidence in Mitre myself but he’ll be serviceable as long as Pettitte isn’t out for an extended period of time (and it doesn’t appear that will be the case).

    A start or two here and there is fine. I just wouldn’t want to see him out there longer than that.

  450. blake May 5th, 2010 at 10:12 pm

    MTU,

    he’s an exciting player right now. When he gets on base its a double and he’s scoring more often than not when on base. He’s become a nice and unexpected weapon for a team that already had a lot of them.

  451. Betsy - Hughes rules (pleading the Fifth) May 5th, 2010 at 10:14 pm

    http://sports.espn.go.com/new-.....id=5166390

    I thought this was a far article…….Our guys are aging and the schedule has done us absolutely no favors.

  452. Betsy - Hughes rules (pleading the Fifth) May 5th, 2010 at 10:15 pm

    Again, though, how many innings can Mitre go?

    Oops, I meant fair….

  453. Dave May 5th, 2010 at 10:17 pm

    20 games in a row, all against playoff teams, 13 on the road.

    Brutal.

  454. Giuseppe Franco May 5th, 2010 at 10:19 pm

    Betsy – Hughes rules (pleading the Fifth) May 5th, 2010 at 10:15 pm

    Again, though, how many innings can Mitre go?

    ————-

    5 IP from Mitre is probably reasonable. He’d then be backed up by Aceves.

    I would hope that Girardi wouldn’t be doing so much mixing and matching on that day.

  455. the gay Yankee fan May 5th, 2010 at 10:20 pm

    I would not advocate Gardner “pound the ball” into the ground. He should always be trying to hit line drives.

    He has such a sweet swing that to ask him to do what is not necessarily a good habit (intentionally grounding out) is just silly.

    Any line drives that gets past any of the outfielders easily becomes triples and inside-the-park homers.

  456. THE TRUTH May 5th, 2010 at 10:20 pm

    Vazquez becomes huge now too, he needs to turn it around and give us some length.

    I can’t remember exactly who or the injury, but I remember a couple times over the past few years a pitcher would have “inflammation” and that would turn into a month long thing. I was told I had “mild inflammation” in my shoulder several years ago and its hurt ever since.

  457. Giuseppe Franco May 5th, 2010 at 10:21 pm

    # Dave May 5th, 2010 at 10:17 pm

    20 games in a row, all against playoff teams, 13 on the road.

    Brutal.

    ————

    This team can handle it. They had a brutal April schedule too and came out of it smelling like roses.

  458. jz166 May 5th, 2010 at 10:22 pm

    Vazquez will fail, no matter what.

  459. Betsy - Hughes rules (pleading the Fifth) May 5th, 2010 at 10:22 pm

    GF, I would hope not – but he did it today.

  460. Betsy - Hughes rules (pleading the Fifth) May 5th, 2010 at 10:24 pm

    I just hope Andy will be ok – I think CB said it earlier; the Yankees are going to have to monitor him. They have to monitor the old man and the kid, lol.

    It’s a tough schedule (I think things get easier in June), but good teams will handle that. The Yankees have always been a good road team….If they have a game or so where they just don’t have it, so be it.

  461. REZ May 5th, 2010 at 10:27 pm

    I despise the series we have against the Sox. Too much pressure, too much stress, every platter on the team is judged on that series.

    I really hope we don’t get swept or lose 2\3, then the mediots will say the Sox are legit and are about to go on a run and the Yanks might be the odd team out for the playoffs and are too old, etc. to compete.

    And if Phil has a bad start and Buchholz does well, we have to deal with that nonsense from ESPN about how Buchholz is a star and Hughes is nothing more than a 2,3 starter etc.

    And if AJ doesn’t do well, we will hear from the likes of Joel Sherman about how he pitches well against the Orioles but can’t pitch against the big teams and how inconsistent he is.

  462. stuckey May 5th, 2010 at 10:28 pm

    I suppose I will be accused of trying to convince myself that things are okay (is it relevant that I’ve genuinely be able to convince myself?), but I’m okay that a portion of the inevitable 162 game adversity is happening now.

    This team is deep enough to tread water for a few weeks. 100 game winners are built on doing pretty good against the strong teams, but beating the snot out of the weaker ones. June is the Yankees snot month.

    Stretches like this build character. They force people to emerge.

    And they’ve built themselves a little cushion. I’ve convinced myself the Yankees will play the rest of the month at a better than .500 clip.

    Time will tell if I’m a snakeoil salesman to myself.

  463. Giuseppe Franco May 5th, 2010 at 10:30 pm

    Gardner has 7 infield hits already this season because his game is to pound the ball into the ground and legging out hits.

    Unless you’re Mickey Mantle, it is imperative that guys with Gardner’s speed pound the ball into the ground.

    Gardner can’t leg out line drives and fly balls hit at the fielders. But he can leg out grounders.

  464. CB May 5th, 2010 at 10:31 pm

    Casey Kotchman is hitting .216 with a .720 OPS.

    And he’s hitting 3rd for the mariners. And it’s not like he has a track record hitting of excellence over his career like Tex to fall back on.

    That Kotchman deal was where the M’s really went unneccessarily over the top with the run prevention approach.

    They desperately needed power and they opted to go with a glove first guy at 1b.

  465. stuckey May 5th, 2010 at 10:33 pm

    “I really hope we don’t get swept or lose 2\3, then the mediots will say the Sox are legit and are about to go on a run and the Yanks might be the odd team out for the playoffs and are too old, etc. to compete.”

    I’m becoming increasingly convinced approval by the media holds as much appeal to some fans as winning does.

  466. THE TRUTH May 5th, 2010 at 10:33 pm

    Its all about being conservative with Pettite so this injury doesn’t become something more then it is. Yankees should push his start back now so he doesn’t rush coming back. Id rather suffer a bit now and rest him as long as necessary then rush him back and have it become worse. Yankees need to be ultra conservative here and think long term.

  467. CB May 5th, 2010 at 10:39 pm

    One of the most important differences in gardner between this year and last is that he’s hitting far more ball on the ground than he is in the air.

    Gardner’s line drive rate is actually down so far this season compared to last and his batting average and on base percentage are way up.

    The reason why that is may be because Gardner’s swing last year produced line drives at the cost of also producing infield pop ups and fly balls at an inappropriate rate for his speed based skill set.

    Now Gardner’s BABIP is high so that will come down some. But even so his BABIP is .382 and given his speed I’d expect his BABIP to remain significantly over the league average of .300 – as long as he hits the ball on the ground. That’s what’s going to protect his batting average.

    One of the weakest parts of Gardner’s game last season was how frequently he was hitting the ball in the air with the strange slice swing of his. This year 56% of his contact put into play has been on the ground. That’s exactly what he needs to do and why his revamped swing has worked for him.

  468. the gay Yankee fan May 5th, 2010 at 10:42 pm

    People hit balls on the ground even when they don’t want to. It happens anyway. It is hitting a ball on a line that is more difficult.

    It doesn’t matter how fast you are, even if you faster than a cheetah, they will throw you out.

    If Gardner was to adopt such a strategy, then his average will come tumbling down and then naturally all the same people asking him to ground the ball into the ground will be the same ones saying he isn’t a good hitter.

  469. Patrick May 5th, 2010 at 10:43 pm

    The mariners did a great job getting Lee and I thought the Bradley deal was great at the time but they don’t look so good right now. A lot of people called Jack z a genius in the offseason but his moves haven’t really panned out thus far.

  470. trisha - OPPC member who sees, hears, and knows all. 28 is on its way!!!!! May 5th, 2010 at 10:43 pm

    Just reading through these posts. Betsy, the push and pull with you and your posts is that as someone already stated, you are one of the nicest people around. And I mean that from the .heart. :) I think it is impossible not to like you. You are such a genuinely good person. And on the other hand, your posts can be exasperating. I obviously can’t know what it’s like to be in your skin, but I don’t think it must be a very pleasant way to live. I like what Doreen said about choices, and I have seen you do it, so I know that you can. Sometimes you will say that you are going to work at being positive, and for a while you’ll go along and post some positive things, or you’ll say you are not going to worry about something. And it is just so nice and so refreshing to read those posts from you. And I will always say that I am very impressed when I see you take that step, because I’m sure it can’t be easy.

    I agree with you that nothing says that people who are optimists are better fans than people who are worriers. But I bet they’re more fun to be around! :) I think you and I are probably on opposite ends of the spectrum when it comes to worrying. You never stop doing it and I never start doing it.

    Well here’s another way to look at it if you want to take yourself out of the equation and just look at the end result of your worry. I would predict that about 95% of what you worry about here never happens. If you see that’s the case, maybe you can intellectualize on it and convince yourself that you’re probably worrying needlessly and then, maybe when people try to show you reasons that a certain thing may be a needless worry, maybe you can do one of those things that you do so well – say “I’ve decided I’m not going to worry about it.”

    Here’s one good reason to try to overcome having pessimism be your umbrella. Studies show that people who are pessimistic get sick more often and don’t live as long as people as people who are optimistic! Isn’t that reason enough to say screw it. I refuse to worry!

    I know. Easy for me to say.

    ;)

    By the way, I have to say in all honesty that I had thought the same things Champ did about the way you aren’t convinced the Yankees are going to pull this out in the end (I don’t mean to misstate your position, just the questioning stuff you do all the time about whether or not the Yankees have what it takes to beat some of the other teams) and the Yankees have the best record at this point in the season that they’ve had in forever – and then you can’t seem to say enough about the Sux and praise their rotation and offense all the time – and they are a 4th place team who had a losing record going into tonight’s game and also had a losing record at home! I think I know why you do it. Actually you explained it quite well one time. You prepare yourself just in case they end up being good. In not, then you’re pleasantly surprised, right?

    I still say when all is said and done, you’re one of the nicest people on here.

    :)

  471. Mike May 5th, 2010 at 10:44 pm

    Hitters are going to change the way they pitch to Gardner now. They are not going to give him stuff outside to slap away, a la Matt Thorton. They are going to jam him inside with heat.

  472. trisha - OPPC member who sees, hears, and knows all. 28 is on its way!!!!! May 5th, 2010 at 10:47 pm

    And assomeone who has a great deal of respect for baseball superstitions, I’m certainly not crazy about the fact that 3 of our 4 SI players have turned up “lame” at the same time. I guess the person performing the voodoo thankfully didn’t get the pin in the right place in one of them…

    :(

  473. Jeremy May 5th, 2010 at 10:47 pm

    I am really getting tired of hearing how old the Yankees are. Give me a break ! The Sox are slightly older then the Yankees and the Yankees older players actually have more talent. The fact is that all teams deal with injuries no matter how old or young they are. Who cares what the media says because they are nothing more than no talented hacks just spewing garbage.

  474. CB May 5th, 2010 at 10:49 pm

    Patrick-

    Seattle is a really oddly put together team. The pieces and roster construction just don’ t work.

    Their games are perplexing to watch. It’s as if they forgot that hitting the ball matters.

    And despite what people were saying about Milton being “low risk high reward” when you look at how the roster is constructed they were implicitly depending on Bradley to have a big year. That’s the only way the roster even made half sense.

    Way too much back slapping among the mariner’s fan base. And from what I’ve seen they’ve disproporitionately blamed Griffey Jr and Mike Sweeney’s presences on the roster for their inability to produce runs. The problems is much more global than the DH/ bench spot.

  475. trisha - OPPC member who sees, hears, and knows all. 28 is on its way!!!!! May 5th, 2010 at 10:49 pm

    Would you ever expect to be reading this as a fantasy question sent to one of the fantasy gurus?

    “Would you dangle Chris Young or Brett Gardner in trade talks? In a Dynasty league are they sell high candidates or is one or the other a keeper?”

    It would appear that Brett Gardner has arrived.

    :)

  476. the gay Yankee fan May 5th, 2010 at 10:51 pm

    CB –

    What I’ve noticed this year is that he has more bat control than last year. I think that is the biggest difference between this year and last.

    Last year, he swing at the ball hoping to just make contact and hit the ball somewhere, anywhere.

    This year, seems like he has a better idea on what he wants to do with the pitch. More control over what to do with the pitch.

    And I find it funny how some doubters (yes, they’re still out there) still think he will “come back down to earth” and hit .270 or something.

    Folks, hate to burst your bubble but those days for this Brett Gardner is over. He is just improved his game so much that it would be difficult for him to go too long without hits. In other words, it would be hard for him to hit anything less than .300

    That’s how good he is going to be. He reminds me a lot of Tony Gwynn and even Wade Boggs. Doesn’t try to hit the ball out the ballpark. Just get good wood on the ball and get a basehit.

  477. CB May 5th, 2010 at 10:54 pm

    “If Gardner was to adopt such a strategy, then his average will come tumbling down ”

    You mean the exact strategy Charlie Lau preached for years to significant success?

    Gardner himself has chosen to hit more balls on the ground. He’s intentionally doing it. It’s by his choice and design, likely after discussing things with Girardi and Long.

    56% of all his contact is resulting in ground balls. That’s one of the highest rates in baseball. That’s not an accident. It’s intentional. He’s altered his swing plane significantly.

    So it has nothing to do with what other people “want.” It’s what Gardner appears to have decided to try to do.

    It’s a very sound strategy. Statistically the probability of a ball being hit on the ground turning into a base hit is higher than it is for a ball in the air.

    And this general phenomenon is why Charlie Lau felt that hitting the ball on the ground off your front foot was central to the “Art of Hitting .300.”

  478. Pel May 5th, 2010 at 10:57 pm

    Pel -

    I was at that game today and when I tried to type a report about Gr-a-ham’s performance it ate the post. I think it is because of a series of letters similar to Abr-a-ham.

    Ah, so that’s it. That stinks. Thanks for verifying.

  479. Bronx Jeers May 5th, 2010 at 10:57 pm

    Right now it could be Mitre vs Porcello if Andy misses a start.

    I’ll take that. Porcello’s been struggling somewhat. Looks like Willis, Porcello, Bonderman and then Verlander. Hopefully these guys can get their offense into 4th gear as a unit this weekend.

    May looks tough. Even the homestand. I don’t see any patsies until the Indians roll in for the holiday weekend. Then comes June and it’s 2 weeks of some of the easiest schedule they’ll see.

  480. Giuseppe Franco May 5th, 2010 at 10:58 pm

    The worst strategy in the world for a guy with Gardner’s elite speed (and lack of power) is for him to modify his swing to hit more fly balls and line drives.

    It’s a losing strategy 100% of the time.

    Even Gardner himself has said that hitting the ball on the ground and using his speed is the reason why he’s gotten this far.

    He’s not going to change what has worked for him.

  481. trisha - OPPC member who sees, hears, and knows all. 28 is on its way!!!!! May 5th, 2010 at 11:02 pm

    “Right now it could be Mitre vs Porcello if Andy misses a start.

    I?ll take that. Porcello?s been struggling somewhat.”

    Definitely agree. Porcello has been awful.

  482. Mike_Boston May 5th, 2010 at 11:05 pm

    the gay Yankee fan May 5th, 2010 at 10:51 pm
    That’s how good he is going to be. He reminds me a lot of Tony Gwynn and even Wade Boggs. Doesn’t try to hit the ball out the ballpark. Just get good wood on the ball and get a basehit.

    Boggs and Gwynn, really, 2 of the best hitters in the last 30+ years and you’re comparing Gardner to them after a month of hitting over .300? Look I love him as much as anyone and on this board in the spring said he will hit at least .270, be a pest on the bases and play solid D, but saying something like that is just insanity!

  483. CB May 5th, 2010 at 11:06 pm

    “What I’ve noticed this year is that he has more bat control than last year.”

    He does. That’s very true. But it’s true because he’s ditched that awful slice swing he had which was producing far too man balls in the air.

    15% of all Gardner’s contact last year resulted in an infield pop up. That’s just horrible for a guy with his wheels. It completely wastes his legs.

    On top of that he struck out 16% of the time. So think about it – a guy whose main weapon is speed is either popping the ball up or striking out 1 out of every 3 at bats. That’s what he did last year. That’s horrible because popping up and striking out completely waste his speed. They prevent his speed from even entering the game in a meaningful way.

    He’s now swinging on a much more level to downwards swing plane and he’s able to do that because he’s preferentially trying to hit everything the other way. He’s using a “slap swing” to great effect. Now that slap swing may make it less likely to put the ball on a line but it’s also making it less likely to pop up in the infield or to hit a fly ball that has a low probability to leave the park.

    I’m also hopeful that this swing is going to allow him to continue striking out less. Gardner struck out 18% of his minor league at bats. Last year he struck out 16%. This year he’s striking out 11% – that is a huge improvement over his past career marks.

    Can that continue? I hope so. But it’s much more likely with the simpler swing he’s using now which makes it much simpler for him to make contact because he’s no longer trying to hit the ball in the air as much.

    The Charlie Lau approach isn’t for everyone. But it’s the best thing possible for Gardner and the yankees.

    If Gardner could ever turn into a contemporary version of Brett Butler (with more speed) both he and the yankees should be ecstatic. To do that he needs to continue doing what he’s doing and hitting the ball on the ground, preferably the other way.

  484. Bronx Jeers May 5th, 2010 at 11:07 pm

    And this general phenomenon is why Charlie Lau felt that hitting the ball on the ground off your front foot was central to the “Art of Hitting .300.”

    As opposed to Tex who is unsuccessfully pitching to numerous publishers “The Art of Hitting .178″ by hitting fly balls of your back foot.

    At least so far. He did hit a big double today. He’s progressing slowly but surely.

  485. m May 5th, 2010 at 11:07 pm

    LGY,

    Here’s the thing about worrying. Why worry about things that may not come to pass? Especially in baseball when anything can happen?

    The best of the best can fail. And the scrappiest scrub can surprise.

    In essence, worrying (like for real) about the Yankees and their opponents is a waste of time.

  486. the gay Yankee fan May 5th, 2010 at 11:15 pm

    “but saying something like that is just insanity!”

    —-

    Um dude, I wasn’t comparing Gwynn and Boggs overall careers to Gardner. I was comparing how their approach to hitting balls were very similar. Simple swings, with goals of getting a basehit and not wild swings to try to jack the balls 500 feet.

  487. CB May 5th, 2010 at 11:17 pm

    Bronx-

    That’s so true. Tex is about as anti-Lau as is possible for a hitter to be.

    If those back foot fly balls don’t leave the park or find a gap for doubles, it’s not pretty.

    It’s interesting to see how few singles Tex hits. Last year he only hit 93 singles. That’s it.

    He hit 39 home runs.

    Overall last year Tex had almost as many extra base hits – 85 as he did singles – 93.

    And that’s because he’s hits off his back leg to such an extreme degree.

    It’s really amazing to see a major league player hit like tex does but he makes it work (though if he didn’t draw so many walks it would be a hard balancing act to pull off…)

  488. Erica - always OPPC - Sesame Street Mafia and GTLU supporter May 5th, 2010 at 11:19 pm

    new thread :arrow:

  489. the gay Yankee fan May 5th, 2010 at 11:26 pm

    “If Gardner could ever turn into a contemporary version of Brett Butler (with more speed) both he and the yankees should be ecstatic.”

    —–

    I think he will easily surpass Brett Butler. You are setting too low of a target for Gardner.

    I also see Gardner hitting for more power as he progresses more and more. Maybe not 30 homeruns but 15 – 20 homeruns a year is entirely possible.

    He is very strong. People don’t realize that.

  490. stuckey May 5th, 2010 at 11:30 pm

    “In essence, worrying (like for real) about the Yankees and their opponents is a waste of time.”

    I’d say misuse.

    I wasn’t going to get into this again, but lost in the discussion about the virtues of optimism versus pessimism, completely lost is the context.

    Will or won’t the U.S. economy improve? Will my kid get into a good college? I can better understand different people having different outlooks on such things. These are issues that one has no choice to have to deal with.

    But baseball, is fundamentally, entertainment – a “pastime”, something that exists to provide people some level of enjoyment. And no fan can claim to have as great an opportunity to maximize the enjoyment than NY Yankee fans.

    So to immerse yourself in a pastime that produces a high level of angst (and in varying cases, quite obvious anger), whereas the concern about winning tomorrow seems to supplant the satisfaction of winning today confuses me (and please, no one person has to regard this as solely directed towards them … really. I use term “bridgejumpers in a genuine collective sense).

    I work in an entertainment industry where “fans” do much of the same. The entertainment value has long since given way to obsessive protection of their concepts held dear in childhood memories.

    I think when the dominating sensation is angst that things won’t culminate ideally, something, somewhere, is being misplaced.


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