Pena starting at second, still no Posada
Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Misc on May 08, 2010 
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Derek Jeter SS
Brett Gardner CF
Mark Teixeira 1B
Alex Rodriguez 3B
Nick Swisher RF
Marcus Thames DH
Randy Winn LF
Francisco Cervelli C
Ramiro Pena 2B
LHP CC Sabathia
Still no Jorge.
Bummer.
well is smart, might have to dl posada.
yanks going to battle without 4 starters. thats not good
Awesome lineup!!
Who do we have on the bench? russo, and Jorge?
repost:
Great game to be at last night..
- Phil looked great
- Beckett got clobbered
- got a game ball
- my friends 10 month old got to walk around the OF
- got to meet Joba (and watch him get the phone # of a (hot) girl who looked 16/17. I told him she was jailbait!)
- got to see Andy but he wasn’t in a talking mood I guess… just told him to rest the elbow
Too wet for Jorge. Why rush it?
BD-
I hope you said hi to JC for me and told him I have not lost the faith.
Good advice on the young hot one that’s all he needs.
BD
Great Stuff! It did seem like a great game. Hughes truly showing all the doubters he had left he could do it on the big stage, Beckett showing that he probably has always been overrated, just an overall beatdown. If we could just have Robbie and Nick back it would be truly perfect!
And tel Joba to stay away haha. Last thing we need is Joba to go all LT on us!
Ooh. I had Swisher in the 2-spot. Lucky thing I didn’t submit a lineup. I’m still undefeated.
That lineup looks awful.
Mick-
“Too wet for Jorge.”
He wasn’t leaving the infield was he ?
I’m A-OK seeing Cervelli behind the plate.
Don’t get me wrong, I’m not down on Posada…just “Up with Cervelli!”
“BD
What was the fan reaction to Becketts meltdown?”
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Honestly, the Sox fans seemed to be just going through the routine.
They cheered when they were supposed to. They booed when they were supposed to.
But it didn’t seem like there was much “life” in the crowd.
It’s almost like deep down they know the team is in trouble. If the team wins, great. But it’s like they are already preparing themselves for a 3rd/4th place finish so it won’t hurt so bad… kinda like they aren’t getting their hopes up.
We’ll see…
“That lineup looks awful.”
This usually translates to 10+ runs.
I’m not joking, either.
m,
yeah I don’t know what joba was thinking! I took pics of the phone number exchange but if I ever did blackmail him it would only be for Yankee gear!
Tyler,
I took pics (and thought of Betsy
) of some Yanks fans holding up Phil Hughes signs.
“Hey Sox fans! Get Hughes to it!!”
I loved that one!
BD
It sounds like the Yankees have put the RS back in the pre 04 way of looking at things.
Joba getting dating advice from LT?
Hey.
If the Sux can put McDonald, Hermida, and Van Every out there then why should we complain about our super subs ?
let’s hope Karma shows up for the Yankees today. We’re gonna need something w that line up.
# mick May 8th, 2010 at 12:21 pm
m May 8th, 2010 at 12:18 pm
mick,
The Yankees are a professional mature veteran team. A lesser team would’ve rumbled in the 6th. The Yankees are too smart to get guys suspended/hurt when they’re already short-handed.
==================================
Have to give Girardi some credit for that although did you see Jeter wave him back to the dugout when he got hit.
oh, man, posada not even dh-ing. i almost went with that…
Keaton ( Buster ??? ) That line-up shows depth……
mtu true
BD
Thats awesome! I never really got down on Hughes even through his struggles. I actually bought a signed picture of him with dirt from the mound from his first game at Yankees Spring Training in 2008 before the fateful year where him and Kennedy started in the rotation. I remember him just destroying people at Trenton and Charleston and Giambi calling him a Clemens clone baseically lol. I think after tonight people are recognizing how good he is as they can’t use the Orioles and A’s excuse anymore. He’s gonna be special and is still cost-controlled!
These are sincere questions.
Randy, I am assuming that you watch Sux games the same way I do and because of your proximity to beantown have a lot of awareness about the team. Were you at all worried about facing Beckett going into this? Beckett has a pretty recent history of melting down and being inconsistent. Their team is in disarray. That?s why I am trying to figure out the gap between others worrying about the Yankees playing the Sux and my absolute feeling to the contrary.
CB, do you watch Sux games on a regular basis? I am only asking that because I have the same question in my mind as I did in asking Randy. Since Beckett has gone into many games starting off well and then losing it, why would you have been concerned last night that he started off okay?
Betsy, if you had to search your heart of hearts, are you yet at a point with Hughes where you know he has arrived and there is nothing to worry about, or do you still think he has a way to go before you feel confident that no matter what happens, you know that Phil has established himself.
I know my personality (as well as my habit of ultimately looking at the big picture) plays into my being able to feel really confident in the team. But to me, Hughes could have 5 bad outings in a row and I wouldn?t feel a whit of worry about his being able to right the ship because I know how he can pitch. I am wondering if a bad outing is going to put Betsy and others into a tailspin or whether they will go on without missing a beat?
I ask these questions because I try to figure out what causes the gap in the way different people think and process. I am constantly thinking that if I can see the stability in the team and the ?fact? that they have everything they need to pick up and go on without missing a beat despite injuries, why don?t others automatically see it that way?
Maybe I am just trying to figure out why people see things differently. Maybe there is no good answer and maybe our personality traits will automatically cause us to see things through different lenses and it could be as simple as that.
All of this was meant in a spirit of cameraderie and inquisitiveness, nothing else.
BD,
Awesome signage.
mick,
I’m watching Phil’s innings right now. But I did suffer through the top of the 6th. Girardi came out, but it was with the trainer. So, it seemed like Jeter waved him off (physically was okay) and Girardi turned around. I would’ve liked to see a little barking at the ump, “You gonna take control of this game or what?!). But maybe the Yankees already had a talk before the game about playing their own game and not taking the bait.
May 8th reality check:
if the Yankees go .500 the rest of the year, they’ll win 87 games.
3 AL teams won’t 87 games last season.
The Yankees have a run differential of +62.
3 AL teams had a run differential above 60 for the entire 2009 season (the same 3 teams as above).
Yes, it’s only 28 games into the season, but for the Yankees not to be a virtual lock for the postseason, something will have to go catastrophically wrong with them, or something will have to go very, VERY right for the Tigers, Sox or Jays.
Because of his dominant performance in the ’03 WS, some may think of Beckett as a Yankee killer (not a bean ball reference).
However, the fact is in 116 regular season innings, Beckett is pitching to a 6.11 ERA against them.
They’re in his head, and he’ll keep plunking them at every available opportunity.
He’s like a mangy dog that needs to be put down.
Who would have guessed this line up correctly? Personally, I would have put Mattingly at DH and Paul O’Neill in right field, but then no one asked me…lol
There’s only one thing to do if we play today:
BEAN THE LIVING CRAP OUTTA THE SOX!
Intentional my butt. He was smirking after Cano..
Beckett is suffering from the “Who’s your Daddy” syndrome that plagued Pedro.
Mick-
“Beckett is suffering from the “Who’s your Daddy” syndrome that plagued Pedro.”
Maybe so, but I bet he wanted to run home to Mommy after last night’s game.
h/t to RAB.
It’s “Hughes Your Daddy?”
“Yes, it’s only 28 games into the season, but for the Yankees not to be a virtual lock for the postseason, something will have to go catastrophically wrong with them, or something will have to go very, VERY right for the Tigers, Sox or Jays.”
That would be a bingo.
Beckett needs a sport psychologist.
# mick May 8th, 2010 at 12:01 pm
KInd of a metaphor for a downtrodden franchise.
I dont like Gardner in the 2 hole. If you are going to bat him in top he should be batting leadoff and Jeter should hit 2nd. You can utilize his speed more with Jeter hitting behind him then you can when Teix and A-Rod are hitting behind him.
Ledger_Yankees Cano doesn’t think it’s serious. Knee is sore and a little swollen, but he tbinks he can go tomorrow. We’ll see.
It is time to put Gardner in the lead off spot. He is now ready for that role.
Him and Jeter at the 1-2 spot will be a very good combo, provided Jeter is more patient and gives him a chance to steal.
“Beckett needs a sport psychologist.”
Do they sell giant sized condoms the kind that would fit over Beckett’s head ?
I didn’t know that.
The Swish 3 run shot was telling.
He was sailing along.
That got into his head.
Swish is on fire!!!
By the way, the sun is shining brightly only 200 miles from Beantown.
Boy, Posada must be in bad shape……….
Poor Robby
How is Jorge not playing yet and damn, this lineup is weak.
Why don’t we see more RS fans in here during these times?
Imo, you need to have at least five certified ass-kickers on your team to ensure the crap we saw last night doesn’t happen in the first place.
You send the message early in the season, one of ours equals three of yours, and if you want to rumble, that’s just fine.
What if Cano had suffered a serious injury? You have to be preemptive w/this sort of thing.
Ledger_Yankees Girardi didn’t want to risk trotting Posada out there w a wet field. Will DH first before returning as a catcher.
Trisha, I think you and I see some things the same way.
I understand people have micro-concerns and questions.
But from a macro standpoint, this team IS going to the postseason. There is time to worry about homefield and postseason health/rotation in September.
For the next 4 months, I’m just going to enjoy some baseball, played at a very high level.
“BD-
I hope you said hi to JC for me and told him I have not lost the faith.”
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I was lucky I got to say hi to him. He was just hanging out 30min after the game and meeting with some friends/family of other Yankee players and I kinda just snuck in that crowd.
I took some pics but they didn’t come out well.
He seems like a really good guy.
Trisha…it was tough but I stayed positive last night. Of course, I missed the beanings and only heard about them.
I bet Jorge is chomping at the bit to take a bite out of somebody who wears the color Red.
There’s a guy who loves battle.
“Imo, you need to have at least five certified ass-kickers on your team to ensure the crap we saw last night doesn’t happen in the first place.”
Here’s the hole I find in this logic.
Last night DID happen in the first place.
So does this mean the Yankees have done something wrong in the PAST?
If the Yanks win today, and with the pitching matchup it’s quite possible, I think they rest Posada and Cano for sure tomorrow.
As SJ44 said last night, even winning 1 game out of the 3 is ok. If they win the series, it’s mission accomplished.
The Yanks don’t come back to Fenway until the last series of the season, and the way things are going, the Sox may be starting more September call-ups than regulars by then.
Our manager seems to move Gardner all around the lineup and he has continued to produce – good Job Brett. He has been a nice option for Girardi.
He also seems to be able to handle Beckett. Good at bats against him.
Oh yeah, must add the “so far” qualifier so the anti Gardner crowd won’t be upset.
“If the Yanks win today, and with the pitching matchup it’s quite possible, I think they rest Posada and Cano for sure tomorrow.”
Yeah, Girardi is (astutely) playing with his house money.
LoHudYankees Posada said he would have played if not for the wet field. He expects to DH tomorrow… Cano hopeful he can play tomorrow.
Ledger_Yankees Posada tried to lobby Girardi to get in the lineup. It didn’t work out too well.
Ledger_Yankees Cano just walked by with a big wrap around his knee.
I think it was CB who reiterated this.
The consolidation of power in the AL is so great. There just aren’t any teams that can match up to the Yanks or Rays.
The Sox are probably going to end up as a good team, which may be enough for a top 5 AL finish.
the problem is, the Rays and Yanks are so much better than everyone else (perhaps the Twins can hang for a bit if their pitching holds up) that it just doesn’t matter.
It doesn’t if the Sox end up with the 3rd best record in baseball…. because it will still only be the 3rd best record in their own division.
BD, that’s hilarious! Get Hughes to it? That’s fantastic, lol……..What more can you ask for from a game? Beckett melted down and Phil manned up, lol.
The lineup is not ideal, but man – what can Girardi do? I’ve learned never to underestimate the will of this team to win, but if they lose, they lose.
Boot Boston’s ass into a shallow grave tonite.
TB in the crosshairs next.
Maddon. We’re gunnin’ for you. Watch your back buckeroo.
If my argument is cogent, then yes, Stuckey, the message is out there that there will likely will not be ramifications to the type of actions we saw last night.
That first up-and-in on Cervelli was a pretty clear sign that Beckett felt he had cart blanche to bean away.
This can not stand.
Ledger_Yankees Javy out to throw his bullpen now.
“Oh yeah, must add the “so far” qualifier so the anti Gardner crowd won’t be upset.”
Brett Gardner now has a CAREER .272 avg//345 OBP.
Our bench is certainly strong especially is Cano can pinch hit. We know Posada can.
I wonder is blake is enjoying last night’s game as we speak.
Can he hold back from commenting after seeing the fireworks in the 6th inning?
Ok, that makes a lot of sense giving Po a day off with the field the way it is. I could see Buchholz having a field day today, but then CC is CC….
erin,
thanks for the ledger_yankee updates.
LGY-
He was on his honeymoon (2nd one) yesterday.
He’ll chime in sooner or later.
As for chiming, I’m chiming out for now.
Kevin Russo stats, baseball reference stats
AB 106
GM 26
PA 126
R 16
H 32
HR 1
RBI 11
SB 3
BB 10
BA .302
OBP .383
SLG .425
OPS .808
Should be fun watching Gardner run on Martinez today, if Varitek is out!!
Boston will regret giving Beckett the 4-year contract extension through 2014. Once he flames out and loses velocity, he’ll be an ordinary, back of the rotation starter.
3 years/$30M (2007-09), plus 2010 club option
4 years/$68M (2011-14)
4 years/$68M (2011-14)
signed extension with Boston 4/5/10
$5M signing bonus
11:$15.75M, 12:$15.75M, 13:$15.75M, 14:$15.75M
Safe to say that Beckett is our new Pedro.
Betsy
I think you’re giving Buc. to much credit and the Yankees lineup not enough.
I hope the game gets called today – give Robbie and Po an extra day.
I didn’t submit a lineup but I would have guessed this exact same one, except I thought Posada was going to DH and bat 6th instead of Thames.
But if Girardi is planning to DH Posada tomorrow, does that mean Thames will play LF? Since Lester is pitching and Joe likes to start Thames against lefties…
muffinstump May 8th, 2010 at 12:49 pm
erin,
thanks for the ledger_yankee updates.
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you’re welcome!
RS,
I didn’t submit a line-up today wither. I figured Joe Girardi would win. Too many question marks with Jorge and Robbie.
Anybody think that the Orioles would trade us Kevin Millwood.
The Orioles are already out of it, he’s got something like 1 year and 10 million remaining on his contract.
The Orioles would have to be glad to get rid of his contract, knowing they have no chance at winning this year.
We can add rotational depth. And if Andy comes back clean, we have 6 starters, or 5 if Javy continues to falter.
Bad news for Bucky!
“Ok, that makes a lot of sense giving Po a day off with the field the way it is. I could see Buchholz having a field day today, but then CC is CC…”
You don’t think Thames, Winn are good enough to hit Bucholtz?
Hard to believe someone like Clay Buccholz can marry a Deal Or No Deal model.
Maybe she’s a big fan of free laptops?
Btw, I thought this poem was funny:
Beckett’s a loser, a jerk, doncha know –
Rattled and hitting batters, nailing Cano.
Hey — Ortiz got a hit, couple RBI’s — and two K’s.
7 srikeouts for young Hughes, the Yanks are okay.
Beckett gave up 9 runs — what an ERA!
Can’t wait for tomorrow, hope Cano’s okay.
Wake looked good in relief, time to dump Dice-K –
Gonna be a long season, Sox trailing all the way!!!
Btw, I thought this poem was funny:
Beckett’s a loser, a jerk, doncha know –
Rattled and hitting batters, nailing Cano.
Hey — Ortiz got a hit, couple RBI’s — and two K’s.
7 srikeouts for young Hughes, the Yanks are okay.
Beckett gave up 9 runs — what an ERA!
Can’t wait for tomorrow, hope Cano’s okay.
Wake looked good in relief, time to dump Dice-K –
Gonna be a long season, Sox trailing all the way!!!
“I hope the game gets called today – give Robbie and Po an extra day.”
I do as well, but I doubt it happens. MLB hates double headers so they’ll try to get the game in even if it turns into a night game.
Beckett is a coward and a bully and bullies don’t like to get hit. He has anger issues, after Swisher hit his HR he lost it. He tried to take Cervelli’s head off twice angered by him stepping out, hit Jeter, and hit Cano again angered that he took his time. He didn’t care about the Red Sox at that moment only had to avenge what was bothering him. He’s a jerk and I hope MLB does something about it, but I’m sure they won’t. As for Johnson now that others are hurt and we could use his left handed bat he’s hurt again. I’m tired of his act. It’s time for the Yankees to cut bait with him. We need a bat and can’t wait for him to return only to watch another injury to float up to the surface. Dump him, he’s got no guts , can’t play under pressure and has a career of injuries. I hated it when Cashman got lured in by his obp and I hate the signing even more now, get someone else, now!
RS May 8th, 2010 at 12:52 pm
I didn’t submit a lineup but I would have guessed this exact same one, except I thought Posada was going to DH and bat 6th instead of Thames.
But if Girardi is planning to DH Posada tomorrow, does that mean Thames will play LF? Since Lester is pitching and Joe likes to start Thames against lefties…
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Posada will DH, Thames will be in left and Winn will be in center. Gardner will get an off day tommorow against Lester.
What’s the forecast in Boston like? I’m in northern NJ and it was raining this morning, but now it’s clear skies and sunny.
I still can’t forget, their Ace is 1-1, and our # 5 starter is 4-0!!
Might have to take a look at Jermain Dye as our DH. I don’t expect much from Johnson now. This could be his last year in baseball given the frequency and way he is injured. Swinging the bat is an elemental part of the game. He lacks the strength/stamina to partake of intensive coaching sessions. That said Yes I’m disappointed but I thought the Johnson signing was good one at the time. Maybe we get a platoon of Juan Miranda and Thames as our DH? Or of course Johnson could be alright.
We now have two starters hurt with wild pitches that hit them in the knee area. Fortunately nothing seems to be broken. The MO seems to be if you can’t beat “em, hit ‘em. No, maybe Beckett didn’t hit them on purpose, purpose but he choose to throw inside when he didn’t have control. That’s flagrant disregard for the careers of other players. Guthrie and others do the same thing.
Comet
Maine, not really. I said earlier that I’ve learned never to underestimate the Yankees regardless of lineup. My comment about Buchholz was not a prediction in any way….
Thames against a hard throwing righty?
That is not going to end well.
YESKimJones Joe just said Robbie is going to the cage, feels ok and might play today. Keep your lineup, for now, “in pencil,” Joe said.
Ledger_Yankees Girardi: Johnson getting an MRI in DL. Cano could start today. Gametime decision.
Give Miranda a shot to spell Nick Johnson…..
Pat, Erin – thanks!
I would not push it with Cano…..if the field is too wet for Po, then it’s too wet for Robby
YESKimJones Rob Thomson just intro’d me to Kevin Russo. Where can he play? “Anywhere on the infield,” he said, “and outfield.”
“if the field is too wet for Po, then it’s too wet for Robby”
He’s got a bruise not a strain or a pull so slipping is not a big concern.
LOL I love that attitude – good on you, Russo!
Milwood would be an excellent addition. His contract expires at the end of this year.
Kim Jones:
Hughes said his outing — 7IP, 7H, 2ER, 1BB, 7K — was “probably not enough” to continue string of BPTV “innerviews.” The bar is set high.
about 13 hours ago via web
**Phil, say it’s not so, lol!
Miranda will hit RH pitching decently in the bigs. If Johnson is out for a while Miranda will be fine.
Pat M. May 8th, 2010 at 1:12 pm
Give Miranda a shot to spell Nick Johnson?..
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The thump in that bat would give teams someone else to fear in the lineup.
Pat, good point!
Ledger_Yankees Girardi thinks he’ll rotate a bunch of people in the DH spot.
Ledger_Yankees Girardi thinks he’ll rotate a bunch of people in the DH spot.
Ledger_Yankees Girardi said his plan all along was to plan on Posada’s return on Sunday.
YankeesWFAN Girardi: Cano could be in lineup today if he feels ok in the cage
Their “ace” is a psychopath.
Our #5 is a class act.
Phil Hughes ftw.
I hope so, but all we have to go on with Miranda is his minor-league history. I won’t even ask what we’ll do if he doesn’t work out because I’m going to think positive
I hated the idea of rotating DH in ST and I hate it now….
What an awful lineup
Please put Cano in there.
Also, CC hasn’t been great in Fenway… even last year, he gave up 4 runs in each of his games there and blew a 5-1 lead last month there. Like AJ, he dominated Fenway prior to coming to the Yankees but not so much as a Yankee. Hasn’t been bad, but not great either.
YankeesWFAN Girardi: “I really don’t believe Josh Beckett was trying to hit anyone.”
NYYs need to get these two games in by tomorrow. I don’t want to see a lot of Double Headers piling up close together. At least one of the Detroit games is already looking shakey (Wednesday).
The way this team was put together the DH spot doesn’t have as much importance as teams that use it for their power spot. That’s one reason Ortiz not hitting really hurts the RS.
“To do a little right, do a great wrong ..”
Revenge is a dish best served cold.
The weather forecast for Boston calls for 50 degrees and “the whirlwind” on Sunday night.
Oh, Baby!
YESKimJones Is there a need for Yankees to send a message back to Sox today? “Even if there is, I wouldn’t tell you,” Joe said with a laugh.
“Anybody think that the Orioles would trade us Kevin Millwood.”
To what end? To win 108 games instead of 100 and Millwood in the bullpen in the postseason.
Talk about lack of perspective.
I vote for a Miranda/Thames DH platoon before we even think about signing someone like Dye.
I think Thames has looked good at the plate and isn’t this years Morgan Ensberg/Josh Phelps/Richie Sexson.
And Miranda deserves his shot to show what he can do. He’s already on the payroll, so save the money for later in the season to address any needs.
Cano not being able to plant that left leg without pain is not the Cano we need today.
Russo is a hitting machine. I suggest if you want more pop in the lineup put Russo at 2nd instead of Pena if Cano cant go.
It seems like the Yanks are going out of their way to placate Josh Beckett.
Sure, he didn’t mean to buzz Cervelli twice. That was purely accidental.
Give me a break!
There better be retaliation today. Protect your teammates – show them you don’t endorse Jeter getting drilled in the back, Cano being drilled in the leg, and Cervelli/Tex being brushed back all in the same inning. Cervelli twice almost got hit in the head and was on his back at least 3 times that inning.
Retaliation is very important today. Don’t let the psychopath Beckett get away with injuring our players and let the Sox (and other teams) think it is OK to do so because there are no consequences, like the Torre Yankees.
Dye is largely a non starter for DH. Not only was he terrible the second half of last year and still wanting to play in the field (he’s turned down DH/ part time jobs) but Dye is right handed.
You do not want the DH spot for the yankees to be manned by a RH bat unless that is a very special RH bat, especially one with considerable opposite field power.
The yankees are going to have a LH bat at DH for at least a platoon.
That’s why Miranda and Thames will work nicely.
Miranda has a good swing. He is likely to hit for quite a bit of power, especially at yankee stadium.
stuckey
“To win 108 games instead of 100″
If I didn’t know any better, I would think you were penciling us in for 100 games already. Are you Rob Neyer in disguise? I am not sure it is the most intelligent assumption to make that the Yanks are guaranteed to win 100 games given the age and injury history of the players unless you have some sort of foresight that the rest of us lack. However, if that is the case, could you provide me with tomorrow’s lotto numbers…thanks in advance.
Erin and Pat,
Thanks for all of the updates. How do you get all of those?
Conspiracy
We cant take the chance with CC on the mound.
Or for that matter, in Fenway Field.
The last thing we need is Youkilis charging CC and breaking his left arm.
Everyone must remember:
The Red Sox ARE VIOLENT, SICK, CRIMINALISTIC, DANGEROUS, HOMICIDAL MANIACS
BryanHoch Looks like the grounds crew is getting ready to take the tarp off here at Fenway Park.
BryanHoch Cano isn’t in the lineup, but he’s about to hit in the cages. Girardi said to keep the lineup in pencil, he might get in
One thing is for sure: this sh*t wouldn’t happen if Clemens was still around.
Where is the backbone on this team?
Millwood would be nice… sinker baller in our stadium and he kills the Red Sox. He also pitches well against the Yankees.
Fran
Twitter.
If Dye is such a great option, why hasn’t any team signed him yet?
If Miranda isn’t getting a call up with Johnson out, then he should be traded. He could start as a 1B/DH for many major league clubs. It’s apparent the Yankees have no intention of using him and he’s wasting time languishing in the minors.
The Yankees are not going to call Miranda up until they know for sure Robi is 100% and how long NJ is out for.
Youkilis couldn’t even handle string bean Rick Porcello.
CC would squash him.
YESKimJones Is there a need for Yankees to send a message back to Sox today? “Even if there is, I wouldn’t tell you,” Joe said with a laugh. 16 minutes ago
Porcello’s pretty tall but CC’s easily 100 lbs heavier.
If Porcello hip-flipped Youk, CC could probably piledrive him.
(Not that I want to see it!! )
“If Dye is such a great option, why hasn’t any team signed him yet?”
Not fair! You can’t inject logic into this!
a realist,
If we don’t retaliate for this by the end of the weekend – this team has no backbone.
a realist May 8th, 2010 at 1:36 pm
?If Dye is such a great option, why hasn’t any team signed him yet??
Not fair! You can?t inject logic into this!
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I thought I could sneak it in after a win.
Youkilis charging C.C. would only end badly for one man and that’s Youkilis.
Yes, CC could handle Youkilis. But what if Youk just tries to break CC’s left arm, and is successful.
WHAT THEN?
How lucky are we to have Ramon Pena? I am serious about that.
Fran (the original) and OPPC member May 8th, 2010 at 1:30 pm
Erin and Pat,
Thanks for all of the updates. How do you get all of those?
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Fran, the wonderful world of Twitter.
So much for retaliation…….
♥ Ramiro Pena! He’s such a cutie!
By the way, Kay called Romulo Sanchez during yesterday’s broadcast, Ronaldo Sanchez!
Pat,
Thanks
Trisha,
Did you get my 2 emails from this afternoon?
Who’s Ramon Pena?
It’s ridiculous to say this team has no backbone. Actually its disgraceful for anyone who calls themselves a fan of this team to say that. These are the defending world champions.
Just because Beckett melted down last night and embarrassed himself doesn’t mean the Yankees need to turn this weekend into a full-scale brawl.
http://www.dailymotion.com/vid.....shortfilms
Erin,
Thank you too.
Pete was on WFAN this morning. Said there is no way Beckett hit them on purpose because he had handled Jeter all game and had no reason to hit him with a sinker and had no reason to hit Cano with a cutter. Also said he doesn’t think we’ll win the division because Tampa is that good and we’ll be battling for the WC.
Ramon Pena?
Actually, that’s Tony Pena’s hermano .
Welcome aboard Ramon!
Doesn’t Ramon Pena have a monument in the new park?
Getting CC suspended accomplishes nothing either. Had Robertson or Logan done it last night or today if given the opportunity that is completely different. Robertson could even us the down time.
“Actually, that’s Tony Pena’s hermano”
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Can he catch?
CR9-
I am sorry, but can you please stop referring to every player as “hot” and “cute” constantly? I don’t mind it occassionally, but these are ball players. Lets admire their baseball abilities and not their looks
Bronx Jeers May 8th, 2010 at 1:44 pm
Ramon Pena?
Actually, that’s Tony Pena’s hermano .
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Who’s saying they have no backbone?
rconn23
Agreed 100%
Again, who cares what Pete A. has to say about the Yankees.
Jermaine Dye also will not play for 1.5 million.
This is the best post I’ve seen on the subject, from a poster on NYYFans:
****If I had to guess I’d say the smirk was a product of him being victorious or being in control. He was losing it, he felt it, Swisher had not backed down from him and worked a two-strike count into a 3-run HR, and he wasn’t in control of the normal interactions between a pitcher and a hitter.
As he became more and more helpless, he started panicking more and more, trying to reclaim his lost swagger by getting outs. Because he can’t keep his emotions in check, instead of calmly resetting himself he just kept ramping things up further and further, well out of the realm of “baseball sanity.” When he hit Cano, whether it was intentional or not, it gave him a sense of control and victory in his riled up mental state – seeing Cano limp and be marginalized as a threat at his doing gave Beckett a sense of authority again. The smirk was a product of that moment in my opinion – Beckett trying to show himself, and others, that he was in control and a badass (regardless of if the beaning was intentional) – despite it being perfectly obvious that he was spiraling out of control.
He wasn’t good enough mentally to stay on the mound, and he tried to resort to bullying/intimidation tactics to make himself feel in control. Because the Yankees are a really good team they didn’t fall victim to these secondary tactics, Beckett had no where else to turn in his escalating mental state than to keep up the secondary tactics.
After the game, when he had finally been rescued by his manager and had a chance to regroup and get himself under control, he was back to being a normal human being. That’s what made last night so enjoyable to me – he didn’t just meltdown in the generic sense of the word (getting shelled, lose the strikezone, etc), he was legitimately crushed mentally for a brief period. It was really amazing to watch.
So we’re going to let our hitters be used as target practice because we’re “afraid” of a potential brawl?
Weak. I hope that isin’t the case.
“Who’s saying they have no backbone?”
Evidently, Josh Beckett, for one.
Did you not see that sh_t-eating grin on his face?
AJ gets killed by fans/media/pundits for losing control, but Beckett has escaped the same treatment – amazing
I never knew Ramon’s last name… I thought he was just ‘the pool boy’:
http://notthebeastmaster.typep.....jacott.jpg
“Can he catch?”
Can he hit lefty? Girardi seems to be looking for one of those today.
Many people seem obsessed with Pete for some reason, They cant seem to grasp the fact that he is gone. He has become a bit of a lightning rod.
Yeah, right – and Beckett’s team took the loss while he comported himself like a 5 year old. If he went to sleep last night thinking HE has the backbone, then he’s deluded.
a realist
I am the biggest Red Sox despiser/conspiracy finder in the world! And I know 100% Beckett was intentionally throwing at our guys to send us a message for stepping out of the box.
But I NEVER saw a sh*t eating grin on his face!
Does anyone think Michael Kay is wrong about the Rays ? He keeps thinking that they dont have enough pitching and wont make the playoffs. He doesnt like their bullpen at all… I dont know what to make of the Rays.
It really stinks that the Yankees, if they took any action, would be suspended, but the Sox would get away scot-free; there’s something wrong with the system
Betsy
It’s everything that’s right with the system. Help the Sox, hurt the Yanks! It’s why we are the underdogs!
“If I didn’t know any better, I would think you were penciling us in for 100 games already.”
You don’t need to know better. I am.
As I detailed earlier, if they play .500 for the remainder of the year, they win 87 games.
13 more over 5 months isn’t that steep of a hill.
I think we all know what Trisha meant! No need blow it out of proportion!
Fine, don’t retaliate. But nobody should be complaining if Jeter or A-Rod get hit on the wrist and down for 2 months because opposing pitchers are comfortable throwing inside and moving us off the plate. Guys like Guthrie and Beckett who lose their control are not even going to think twice about coming inside and hitting us because they know there are no consequences because the it’s not the “Yankee way”. Don’t be surprised if Beckett himself does it again next week when we face him at the stadium.
If you don’t want to stand up to the bully, don’t complain when he continues to steal your lunch money and inevitably does worse.
Forget the fact that we are talking about Germaine Dye specifically. He is unemployed and earning nothing. $1.5 million sounds like a lot more than nothing to me. I am not sure anyone wants to pay him at all but….
Im pencilling them in for 105 wins. and with the Wild Card now, does it matter who wins the Division? We are going to the playoffs no matter what. Its the downside of the WC in my mind. Takes a little of the fun out of competing for a division
The Rays look great right now. Their pitching. Just wow.
But it’s a long season, and we’ve always played them well, even during their WS run.
People need to worry about the Yankees.
And why can’t Pete admit that the Yankees might win the division?
Here’s the problem: Beckett isn’t going anywhere. The Yanks will have to face him 3 to 4 times every year for the next several years.
If he’s under the impression that drilling guys comes w/absolutely no ramifications, well that’s just a terrible precedent to set.
Whether intentional or not, it simply can not be tolerated.
Cano dodged a bullet this time. Who’s to say the next one doesn’t wipe Jeter out for the year?
This is a very slippery slope. Simply trying to wipe it under the carpet is a recipe for disaster.
CR9
I’m not a despiser or a conspiracy finder but Beckett definitely did “smirk” a few times last night. Might have been smuginess but also might have been embarrassment.
CR, I’m not going there……..at all. It has nothing to do with the Sox and Yanks and everything to do with the fact that the team that hits first has the upper hand.
great job by Phil last night, he has turned into the pitcher we knew he could be.
I think Robbie was hit intentionally. He hits well against Beckett, who would probably rather have him on 1st, then give up a double or HR. After that, IDK. Perhaps he was trying to spark his team, and then it all unravelled.
While Torre never cared for retaliation, I don’t think that is true w/ Girardi. However, you don’t want to have a pitcher suspended. I would wait until the 3rd game, keep them guessing when/if it will happen. AJ is often wild anyway.
I continue to hope the Tigers will fall out of contention by the trade deadline and will offer the Yankees an opportunity to acquire Damon.
It wouldn’t surprise me in the least if Catscan Nick is out for the season with ligament damage in his wrist.
cr9,
the “sh**-eating grin” was more like a split-second smirk immediately after he hit cano.
Great post from the fan on NYYfans.
If he did indeed smirk, he must have felt he had no power to locate pitches, but he still wielded the power and control to injure someone!
Pitching inside is critical against a team like the Yankees. Yes, I hate to see our guys get hit. But when you have a power house offense the only strategy is to pitch inside. These arent the Kansas Cities of the world where you can pitch outside and get them to go fishing. They dont mind taking walks. So as a result we are going to get hit more. Heck Jeter has a habit of leaning right over the plate Im surprised he doesnt get hit more often
Ha, I just saw that episode the other day. That actor was very funny in Noah Baumbach’s “Kicking & Screaming” (not the Will Ferrell movie)
But seriously, Ramon Pena is Tony’s brother. He pitched 18 inns. for The Tigers in 1989.
http://www.baseball-reference......ra01.shtml
If TB is so good, then why can’t they ever beat the Yankees? I mean seriously, they have lost the season series to NY every year including 2008, and they already lost a home series in which Vazquez was pitching.
SAS:
Well, I mentioned that specifically because of
http://www.suntimes.com/sports.....30.article
Second to last paragraph
CB notes that Dye’s been terrible the past second half and doesn’t fit what the Yankees want.
I just wanted to add that Dye will not play for 1.5 million to note that he won’t be cheap either.
“It?s ridiculous to say this team has no backbone. Actually its disgraceful for anyone who calls themselves a fan of this team to say that. These are the defending world champions.
Just because Beckett melted down last night and embarrassed himself doesn?t mean the Yankees need to turn this weekend into a full-scale brawl.”
I couldn’t agree more. Talk about a blood-thirsty society! Fan disappointment at not seeing someone get a ball thrown at them. Uh, okay.
Betsy, that’s absolutely what would happen. If there was obvious retribution today, Bob Watson would come down hard and fast on the Yanks. Look what happened to AJ for not even hitting someone last year. Doesn’t mean that there won’t be payback at some point, though.
I think they’ll take a long look internally for a bat for the DH spot. Miranda, or maybe even the great Jon Weber.
New post
Fran, was working from the other computer. Just saw the emails now.
Whenever a Red Sox fan brings up Joba’s mother’s drug arrest, this usually ends the conversation:
http://cbs13.com/local/Pedroia.....92918.html
Can’t really think of anything more embarrassing that that:)
new thread
Cano remains a possibility
(And somewhere Erin squeals with joy!)
I guess Beckett is sicker than I thought. To smirk after injuring people is pretty damn sick!
Ledger_Yankees MRI on Johnson reveals tendon inflammation, got a cortisone shot, will miss several weeks, Cash says
Ledger_Yankees Cano to DH
Quite a wiff-feast with Verlander. Through three innings, Verlander is perfect with 6 strikeouts.
If you want to argue for retaliation that’s fine.
But the idea that the yankees somehow embarrassed themselves or let Beckett get off free is ridiculous.
They pummeled him in that game and embarrassed him immeasurably on his own home field. That’s a great deal of the reason for why he flew off the handle.
Beckett – the pitcher many yankee fans, led by talk radio hosts, bowed down to as the “great” clutch pitcher of his generation – has an ERA of 6 against the yankees.
Does anyone thing Becket isn’t familiar with his own impotence against the yankees?
People keep talking about that smirk on his face. Did you see it?
Sure. But that look lasted an instance.
What lasted much longer was the look of utter embarrassment and despair on his face as Tito walked slowly to the mound and Beckett knew he was finally going to be walking off the mound to the showers with his tail between his legs.
You want to be macho? That’s not something you can do when the manager is asking you for the ball in the 6th inning of what was the biggest game of the season to date for your team.
The talk in Boston had been about the Sox finally “righting the ship.” That with the sweep against the angels things had stabilized and that they were ready to make their move to compete.
They had their ace on the mound for a big series against their chief rival.
And that ace came up completely hollow.
He walked off that mound shattered. Everyone on his team knew he had let them down.
Don’t yet again give Beckett more credit than he deserves for his limited accomplishments on the playing field.
Don’t fool yourself again. The Yankees maintained their backbone in that game.
The “ace” who sulked off the mound – the player being skewered now by the fickle Sox fan base today – is the one who left Fenway yesterday without the spine.
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I read the Jermaine Dye article. He was talking about playing for a bad team. A contract with incentives might change his mind. That being said, the Yankees are doing OK without him. Surely, Nick Johnson was hitting well. Miranda or another minor league play might fit in just fine.
The only reason I wrote what I did is that players now think $1.5 million is nothing. Give me a break. I guess he is a very rich man who is happy to retire now.
CB thanks for your thoughts. I know Dye was terrible in the second half of last year both in the field and at the plate. I didn’t know he wouldn’t fit in Yankee stadium, although I know RH batters have a tougher time there.
As for retaliation I think of it only as a deterrent , not just to prove something. It should be used sparingly. After all it means your team has to resort to the same base kind of play and you don’t get to retaliate against Beckett but an innocent teammate. We might not like Youk but he had nothing to do with Beckett’s behavior last night which was cowardly. That’s where I stand on retaliation. Retaliation if absolutely necessary, but not necessarily retaliation.