Great Stuff! It did seem like a great game. Hughes truly showing all the doubters he had left he could do it on the big stage, Beckett showing that he probably has always been overrated, just an overall beatdown. If we could just have Robbie and Nick back it would be truly perfect!
And tel Joba to stay away haha. Last thing we need is Joba to go all LT on us!
Honestly, the Sox fans seemed to be just going through the routine.
They cheered when they were supposed to. They booed when they were supposed to.
But it didn’t seem like there was much “life” in the crowd.
It’s almost like deep down they know the team is in trouble. If the team wins, great. But it’s like they are already preparing themselves for a 3rd/4th place finish so it won’t hurt so bad… kinda like they aren’t getting their hopes up.
The Yankees are a professional mature veteran team. A lesser team would’ve rumbled in the 6th. The Yankees are too smart to get guys suspended/hurt when they’re already short-handed.
Have to give Girardi some credit for that although did you see Jeter wave him back to the dugout when he got hit.
Thats awesome! I never really got down on Hughes even through his struggles. I actually bought a signed picture of him with dirt from the mound from his first game at Yankees Spring Training in 2008 before the fateful year where him and Kennedy started in the rotation. I remember him just destroying people at Trenton and Charleston and Giambi calling him a Clemens clone baseically lol. I think after tonight people are recognizing how good he is as they can’t use the Orioles and A’s excuse anymore. He’s gonna be special and is still cost-controlled!
Randy, I am assuming that you watch Sux games the same way I do and because of your proximity to beantown have a lot of awareness about the team. Were you at all worried about facing Beckett going into this? Beckett has a pretty recent history of melting down and being inconsistent. Their team is in disarray. That?s why I am trying to figure out the gap between others worrying about the Yankees playing the Sux and my absolute feeling to the contrary.
CB, do you watch Sux games on a regular basis? I am only asking that because I have the same question in my mind as I did in asking Randy. Since Beckett has gone into many games starting off well and then losing it, why would you have been concerned last night that he started off okay?
Betsy, if you had to search your heart of hearts, are you yet at a point with Hughes where you know he has arrived and there is nothing to worry about, or do you still think he has a way to go before you feel confident that no matter what happens, you know that Phil has established himself.
I know my personality (as well as my habit of ultimately looking at the big picture) plays into my being able to feel really confident in the team. But to me, Hughes could have 5 bad outings in a row and I wouldn?t feel a whit of worry about his being able to right the ship because I know how he can pitch. I am wondering if a bad outing is going to put Betsy and others into a tailspin or whether they will go on without missing a beat?
I ask these questions because I try to figure out what causes the gap in the way different people think and process. I am constantly thinking that if I can see the stability in the team and the ?fact? that they have everything they need to pick up and go on without missing a beat despite injuries, why don?t others automatically see it that way?
Maybe I am just trying to figure out why people see things differently. Maybe there is no good answer and maybe our personality traits will automatically cause us to see things through different lenses and it could be as simple as that.
All of this was meant in a spirit of cameraderie and inquisitiveness, nothing else.
I’m watching Phil’s innings right now. But I did suffer through the top of the 6th. Girardi came out, but it was with the trainer. So, it seemed like Jeter waved him off (physically was okay) and Girardi turned around. I would’ve liked to see a little barking at the ump, “You gonna take control of this game or what?!). But maybe the Yankees already had a talk before the game about playing their own game and not taking the bait.
if the Yankees go .500 the rest of the year, they’ll win 87 games.
3 AL teams won’t 87 games last season.
The Yankees have a run differential of +62.
3 AL teams had a run differential above 60 for the entire 2009 season (the same 3 teams as above).
Yes, it’s only 28 games into the season, but for the Yankees not to be a virtual lock for the postseason, something will have to go catastrophically wrong with them, or something will have to go very, VERY right for the Tigers, Sox or Jays.
“Yes, it’s only 28 games into the season, but for the Yankees not to be a virtual lock for the postseason, something will have to go catastrophically wrong with them, or something will have to go very, VERY right for the Tigers, Sox or Jays.”
I dont like Gardner in the 2 hole. If you are going to bat him in top he should be batting leadoff and Jeter should hit 2nd. You can utilize his speed more with Jeter hitting behind him then you can when Teix and A-Rod are hitting behind him.
Beckett is a coward and a bully and bullies don’t like to get hit. He has anger issues, after Swisher hit his HR he lost it. He tried to take Cervelli’s head off twice angered by him stepping out, hit Jeter, and hit Cano again angered that he took his time. He didn’t care about the Red Sox at that moment only had to avenge what was bothering him. He’s a jerk and I hope MLB does something about it, but I’m sure they won’t. As for Johnson now that others are hurt and we could use his left handed bat he’s hurt again. I’m tired of his act. It’s time for the Yankees to cut bait with him. We need a bat and can’t wait for him to return only to watch another injury to float up to the surface. Dump him, he’s got no guts , can’t play under pressure and has a career of injuries. I hated it when Cashman got lured in by his obp and I hate the signing even more now, get someone else, now!
Might have to take a look at Jermain Dye as our DH. I don’t expect much from Johnson now. This could be his last year in baseball given the frequency and way he is injured. Swinging the bat is an elemental part of the game. He lacks the strength/stamina to partake of intensive coaching sessions. That said Yes I’m disappointed but I thought the Johnson signing was good one at the time. Maybe we get a platoon of Juan Miranda and Thames as our DH? Or of course Johnson could be alright.
We now have two starters hurt with wild pitches that hit them in the knee area. Fortunately nothing seems to be broken. The MO seems to be if you can’t beat “em, hit ‘em. No, maybe Beckett didn’t hit them on purpose, purpose but he choose to throw inside when he didn’t have control. That’s flagrant disregard for the careers of other players. Guthrie and others do the same thing.
Also, CC hasn’t been great in Fenway… even last year, he gave up 4 runs in each of his games there and blew a 5-1 lead last month there. Like AJ, he dominated Fenway prior to coming to the Yankees but not so much as a Yankee. Hasn’t been bad, but not great either.
There better be retaliation today. Protect your teammates – show them you don’t endorse Jeter getting drilled in the back, Cano being drilled in the leg, and Cervelli/Tex being brushed back all in the same inning. Cervelli twice almost got hit in the head and was on his back at least 3 times that inning.
Retaliation is very important today. Don’t let the psychopath Beckett get away with injuring our players and let the Sox (and other teams) think it is OK to do so because there are no consequences, like the Torre Yankees.
If I didn’t know any better, I would think you were penciling us in for 100 games already. Are you Rob Neyer in disguise? I am not sure it is the most intelligent assumption to make that the Yanks are guaranteed to win 100 games given the age and injury history of the players unless you have some sort of foresight that the rest of us lack. However, if that is the case, could you provide me with tomorrow’s lotto numbers…thanks in advance.
If Miranda isn’t getting a call up with Johnson out, then he should be traded. He could start as a 1B/DH for many major league clubs. It’s apparent the Yankees have no intention of using him and he’s wasting time languishing in the minors.
Pete was on WFAN this morning. Said there is no way Beckett hit them on purpose because he had handled Jeter all game and had no reason to hit him with a sinker and had no reason to hit Cano with a cutter. Also said he doesn’t think we’ll win the division because Tampa is that good and we’ll be battling for the WC.
I am sorry, but can you please stop referring to every player as “hot” and “cute” constantly? I don’t mind it occassionally, but these are ball players. Lets admire their baseball abilities and not their looks
This is the best post I’ve seen on the subject, from a poster on NYYFans:
****If I had to guess I’d say the smirk was a product of him being victorious or being in control. He was losing it, he felt it, Swisher had not backed down from him and worked a two-strike count into a 3-run HR, and he wasn’t in control of the normal interactions between a pitcher and a hitter.
As he became more and more helpless, he started panicking more and more, trying to reclaim his lost swagger by getting outs. Because he can’t keep his emotions in check, instead of calmly resetting himself he just kept ramping things up further and further, well out of the realm of “baseball sanity.” When he hit Cano, whether it was intentional or not, it gave him a sense of control and victory in his riled up mental state – seeing Cano limp and be marginalized as a threat at his doing gave Beckett a sense of authority again. The smirk was a product of that moment in my opinion – Beckett trying to show himself, and others, that he was in control and a badass (regardless of if the beaning was intentional) – despite it being perfectly obvious that he was spiraling out of control.
He wasn’t good enough mentally to stay on the mound, and he tried to resort to bullying/intimidation tactics to make himself feel in control. Because the Yankees are a really good team they didn’t fall victim to these secondary tactics, Beckett had no where else to turn in his escalating mental state than to keep up the secondary tactics.
After the game, when he had finally been rescued by his manager and had a chance to regroup and get himself under control, he was back to being a normal human being. That’s what made last night so enjoyable to me – he didn’t just meltdown in the generic sense of the word (getting shelled, lose the strikezone, etc), he was legitimately crushed mentally for a brief period. It was really amazing to watch.
Does anyone think Michael Kay is wrong about the Rays ? He keeps thinking that they dont have enough pitching and wont make the playoffs. He doesnt like their bullpen at all… I dont know what to make of the Rays.
Fine, don’t retaliate. But nobody should be complaining if Jeter or A-Rod get hit on the wrist and down for 2 months because opposing pitchers are comfortable throwing inside and moving us off the plate. Guys like Guthrie and Beckett who lose their control are not even going to think twice about coming inside and hitting us because they know there are no consequences because the it’s not the “Yankee way”. Don’t be surprised if Beckett himself does it again next week when we face him at the stadium.
If you don’t want to stand up to the bully, don’t complain when he continues to steal your lunch money and inevitably does worse.
Forget the fact that we are talking about Germaine Dye specifically. He is unemployed and earning nothing. $1.5 million sounds like a lot more than nothing to me. I am not sure anyone wants to pay him at all but….
Im pencilling them in for 105 wins. and with the Wild Card now, does it matter who wins the Division? We are going to the playoffs no matter what. Its the downside of the WC in my mind. Takes a little of the fun out of competing for a division
great job by Phil last night, he has turned into the pitcher we knew he could be.
I think Robbie was hit intentionally. He hits well against Beckett, who would probably rather have him on 1st, then give up a double or HR. After that, IDK. Perhaps he was trying to spark his team, and then it all unravelled.
While Torre never cared for retaliation, I don’t think that is true w/ Girardi. However, you don’t want to have a pitcher suspended. I would wait until the 3rd game, keep them guessing when/if it will happen. AJ is often wild anyway.
Pitching inside is critical against a team like the Yankees. Yes, I hate to see our guys get hit. But when you have a power house offense the only strategy is to pitch inside. These arent the Kansas Cities of the world where you can pitch outside and get them to go fishing. They dont mind taking walks. So as a result we are going to get hit more. Heck Jeter has a habit of leaning right over the plate Im surprised he doesnt get hit more often
If TB is so good, then why can’t they ever beat the Yankees? I mean seriously, they have lost the season series to NY every year including 2008, and they already lost a home series in which Vazquez was pitching.
Betsy, that’s absolutely what would happen. If there was obvious retribution today, Bob Watson would come down hard and fast on the Yanks. Look what happened to AJ for not even hitting someone last year. Doesn’t mean that there won’t be payback at some point, though.
I think they’ll take a long look internally for a bat for the DH spot. Miranda, or maybe even the great Jon Weber.
But the idea that the yankees somehow embarrassed themselves or let Beckett get off free is ridiculous.
They pummeled him in that game and embarrassed him immeasurably on his own home field. That’s a great deal of the reason for why he flew off the handle.
Beckett – the pitcher many yankee fans, led by talk radio hosts, bowed down to as the “great” clutch pitcher of his generation – has an ERA of 6 against the yankees.
Does anyone thing Becket isn’t familiar with his own impotence against the yankees?
People keep talking about that smirk on his face. Did you see it?
Sure. But that look lasted an instance.
What lasted much longer was the look of utter embarrassment and despair on his face as Tito walked slowly to the mound and Beckett knew he was finally going to be walking off the mound to the showers with his tail between his legs.
You want to be macho? That’s not something you can do when the manager is asking you for the ball in the 6th inning of what was the biggest game of the season to date for your team.
The talk in Boston had been about the Sox finally “righting the ship.” That with the sweep against the angels things had stabilized and that they were ready to make their move to compete.
They had their ace on the mound for a big series against their chief rival.
And that ace came up completely hollow.
He walked off that mound shattered. Everyone on his team knew he had let them down.
Don’t yet again give Beckett more credit than he deserves for his limited accomplishments on the playing field.
Don’t fool yourself again. The Yankees maintained their backbone in that game.
The “ace” who sulked off the mound – the player being skewered now by the fickle Sox fan base today – is the one who left Fenway yesterday without the spine.
I read the Jermaine Dye article. He was talking about playing for a bad team. A contract with incentives might change his mind. That being said, the Yankees are doing OK without him. Surely, Nick Johnson was hitting well. Miranda or another minor league play might fit in just fine.
The only reason I wrote what I did is that players now think $1.5 million is nothing. Give me a break. I guess he is a very rich man who is happy to retire now.
CB thanks for your thoughts. I know Dye was terrible in the second half of last year both in the field and at the plate. I didn’t know he wouldn’t fit in Yankee stadium, although I know RH batters have a tougher time there.
As for retaliation I think of it only as a deterrent , not just to prove something. It should be used sparingly. After all it means your team has to resort to the same base kind of play and you don’t get to retaliate against Beckett but an innocent teammate. We might not like Youk but he had nothing to do with Beckett’s behavior last night which was cowardly. That’s where I stand on retaliation. Retaliation if absolutely necessary, but not necessarily retaliation.