Tonight’s rainy lineup in Detroit
Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Misc on May 11, 2010 
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As of right now, Juan Miranda is not listed as an available hitter for tonight’s game.
Derek Jeter SS
Brett Gardner CF
Mark Teixeira 1B
Alex Rodriguez DH
Robinson Cano 2B
Jorge Posada C
Nick Swisher RF
Randy Winn LF
Ramiro Pena 3B
RHP Javier Vazquez
It remains to be seen whether they’ll actually play. Here’s the view from the press box.
hopefully they play today
We have no winners today for Guess the Lineup. However, Jay was the closest. He had ARod as DH and Pena at 3b. Unfortunately, he had Swisher batting 2nd and Gardner batting 7th.
Thank you all for playing.
# Patrick May 11th, 2010 at 3:35 pm
CR9, at least inject some humor into your homo-erotic ramblings. Like talk about how much you’d love to bang David Ortiz while Manny is watching or something. At least that’s funny
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Patrick
Well, now that would be inappropriate and worthy of banning me.
But if you want to replace Ortiz’s name with Jeter and Manny’s name with my gf’s name, then your above comment would be one of my wishes!!
the yanks could actually take a rain-out… only two scheduled days off in May
I didn’t win.
Dallas,
Get off my blog!!!
Patrick
Creepy or gross? You’re the one who made the original comment. I dont make comments like that.
For humor’s sake, you can replace Ortiz with McNabb and Manny with Andy Reid!
the yanks could actually take a rain-out… only two scheduled days off in May
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except then they have a double header, then a day game and travel that night to play friday.
congrats to Jay for being close…I guess a lot of us got sucked into the possibility of Miranda playing!
CR9,
Your revision of my comment was creepy and gross.
Ask Jerkface how to be creepy and funny, he’s an expert.
Did we need Strawberry speaking about “moundgate” once things have started to settle down? Supportive but bad timing.
I have to tell you all that I was not a big believer in ‘trolls’ however last night the thread was so awful, I just watched the game. It didn’t even improve during the post game. Right night it is pleasant for the most part ((CR9) just talking baseball.
Half day for Alex on a wet field. Smart move, IMO.
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I have no idea, Patrick. Read the articles – I have no idea what to believe. He’s messed up mentally? Physically? I have no idea, but just saying that he absolutely, positively will turn it around doesn’t make it so. I didn’t say he wouldn’t, I just said that I personally don’t have confidence that he will
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The fact is, Javy has been a good pitcher for the last 10 years and he’s 33 years old. There is no reason to believe he won’t have a good season this year too. Saying you have no confidence in him turning it around is silly based on previous data. It would essentially be like saying you have no confidence in Tex turning it around after his terrible April.
Patrick
Whatever, man! If the ladies can comment on the hotness of athletes, then so can I!
this blog has changed a lot in the last couple weeks… it rarely has updates, and the comments for the most part are non baseball related… Sad!
Patrick, ok…..I don’t know what to say. If we continue even a civil debate, it’s just going to end up like yesterday and I’m not going through that again.
Funny…
craigcalcaterra @ gbakermariners Clubhouse closed for team meeting. Players no doubt ticked at one another.- Maybe they’re just napping?
CR9
I don’t comment on players looks, but there is a big difference from saying someone is cute, has great eyes and going overboard.
The ladies around here don’t do it constantly and don’t describe staring into someone’s eyes while you both lie in bed.
And you don’t see guys on here describing how much they fantasize about sleeping with Minka Kelly or some other girl
lol. I just read some Sox fans think if/when the Sox release Ortiz the Yankees will pick him up because NJ is hurt and the short porch in right.
I have to admit that would be pretty funny to see.
YankeesWFAN Irony defined: Weather & Science Day at Coors Field has been cancelled due to the inclement weather and cold temperatures.
Patrick
Like I said, I respect your opinion. And my comment about Frankie was in NO WAY sexual. Sorry it was misinterpreted!
Javy Vazquez’s success or failure is not going to determine the Yankees playoff fate Betsy.
That’s an overstatement.
The guy has been one of the worst pitchers in baseball so far this year and the Yankees have the second best record in the game.
They still have 4 starting pitchers the rest of baseball would KILL to have in their rotation, a dynamic offense, and an excellent team.
Its not going to be nearly as big a dogfight as you think since the Yankees talent level is head and shoulders above almost everybody else’s in the AL, despite Javy’s struggles.
Does GTLU get rained out if the game is cancelled?
Javy has been just an average pitcher for 12 years, who had one great season last year for Atlanta. I think there were terribly unrealistic expectations set for him, particularly by Cashman when he announced the trade. We should view Javy as a #5 starter, no more, no less. Of course, having said that, he hasn’t pitched like even a #8 bullpen man this year, let alone a starter. Given his “mechanics” issues and loss of velocity, I’m guessing he’s hiding an injury, like he says he did in the last half of 2004.
CR9
By the same token, you do make cogent well expressed remarks so I never know which ones to read.
Pat
Funny about the Mariners.
I though cold shower day on Lohud was two weeks ago.. I swear I leave my computer for 2 hours and you guys get all sorts of rowdy.
I’ll let CB chime in on this, but I have an issue with labeling poor results over a limited period of time as being “small sample size” and letting it go at that.
Most of us have no clue whether any given number of data points (games, innings pitched, ABs, what have you) are sufficient to produce a statistically significant result.
For instance, let’s assume that Javy Vazquez is “really” a 4.00 ERA pitcher in the AL East. Then let’s say in 5 starts he manages 23 IP, with a 9.78 ERA and a 2.043 WHIP. At what point are you statistically justified in saying that your original assumption is false and that Vazquez is not “really” a 4.00 ERA pitcher but worse?
I don’t know.
The thing is, Vazquez may really have an issue, or maybe he doesn’t, and if he does have an issue small sample size isn’t the problem. The problem is telling if there is an issue or not.
In Javy’s case, there seems to be a clear issue, his velocity is down and his command is off. It’s not like he’s just been the victim of an absurdly high BABIP or something.
I’m usually sympathetic to the track record argument but it is also possible that the underying quality you are measuring is not in a steady state or in changing in some measurable linear or non-linear way. It could be a discontinuous function of some type.
Winn started me thinking this way, Javy has me wondering.
Dont worry guys and gals, as the season progresses, I post less, as the games seem to have more importance.
At that point, I will usually only post when we are getting cheated or for good luck!
Guys who average 10+ wins , 200+ innings, and the number of K’s per year, Javy has averaged in the last 10 years is not an “average pitcher” in today’s baseball.
That is an incorrect statement.
In fact, that makes him an above average starting pitcher.
Not an all star but, an above average starting major league pitcher.
CR9,
How is this not sexual?
“Can anyone imagine being in bed next to Frankie. I mean, one could stare at his dreamy eyes for an eternity. A person could get lost in those beautiful eyes!”
Patrick
Please dont continue this! Thanks! The comment was about his eyes, and nothing more!
I was closer with my train of thought of DHing Jeter and playing Pena.
I knew Miranda wouldn’t be in the line up. I didn’t get sucked into that
Wave,
The entire season seems like a reasonable sample size to me. You can take chunks out of any player’s season and make completely opposite determinations. Even guys that end up hitting .300 will have samples where they are hitting under .200. And it’s not always because of bad luck but because their mechanics get screwed up or whatever.
For example, Sabathia wasn’t so great early on last year and it wasn’t because of bad luck it was because he couldn’t locate his fastball. Well he ended up having a great season because he went on a run of being really great. I think it will end up being the same for Vazquez.
We’ll see, SJ. I agree the Yankees rotation is good, but IMO, they do have some issues. I also never said they didn’t have a good team.
Javy’s lifetime record is 143-142. His ERA+ is 99 for his tenure in the AL (about average) and 106 for his tenure in the NL (slightly above average).
That is an average pitcher, not a good one.
Damn no one here talks about baseball its all about guessing a lineup.. pretty sad
anyone think the yankees will get this game in tonight? 30% chance of rain from 7pm-11pm
Hat……You just keep working him until he straightens himself out which he will…..I remember Catfish Hunter losing his first five starts back in 1975…..He went on to win 25 gsmes that season……I’m not saying Vasquezis by any stretch is Catfish, however he’s a better than average MLB Starting pitcher & you ride this out for awhile…….Give him some time to work out of his slump……It happens
BryanHoch Probably not a great sign that with rain falling, the only players I’ve seen in clubhouse are CC, Marte and Mitre.
BryanHoch Probably not a great sign that with rain falling, the only players I’ve seen in clubhouse are CC, Marte and Mitre.
Ledger_Yankees Tarp still out on the field, tractors parked on top, to keep it from blowing away.
Wve,
From a velocity standpoint, I think we will find out some things tonight if they play.
He’s had some time off, two heavier than normal bullpens, and his velocity should be better in this start.
If it isn’t, that’s concerning.
I’m not as concerned about his velocity as I am his inability to attack the zone. I think that’s been the more concerning of his issues.
I still think its too early to give up on him, regardless of the results of this start.
However, it would be nice if we saw some improvement.
Erica – always OPPC – Sesame Street Mafia and GTLU supporter May 11th, 2010 at 4:05 pm
I was closer with my train of thought of DHing Jeter and playing Pena.
I knew Miranda wouldn?t be in the line up. I didn?t get sucked into that
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I thought about putting Miranda in, but ultimately didn’t. Lot of good it did me though.
Matt May 11th, 2010 at 4:07 pm
Damn no one here talks about baseball its all about guessing a lineup.. pretty sad
anyone think the yankees will get this game in tonight? 30% chance of rain from 7pm-11pm
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I thought you were looking for baseball talk, not the weather report.
IDCWYT -
I’m making a ruling that GTLU does NOT get cancelled just because the game is rained out.
looks to me like they’ll get the game in. sure hope so, last night left a terrible taste in my mouth.
and not that i want to see the yanks losing in the 9th, but man does valverde needs to be taken down a peg or two or what?
Chris do you really want to do this?
Vazquez has averaged 216.1 innings and 200 strikeouts per season over the last 10 years. He also has a 3.67 xFIP in that period.
There is no way that’s an average pitcher.
Good post, Pat M, Catfish took some heat for that start but it wasn’t even in the same universe as the heat taken by Vazquez right now, that’s how much the world has changed in 35 years (and not necessarily for the best).
Oh wow, here I was thinking the guy was terrible only to find out Javy is actually an above average pitcher. Thanks for clearing that up SJ, I’m sure that will quiet a lot of the criticisms around here lol.
Patrick – I agree with Wave’s point about sample sizes but I also have to wonder if even a season is considered a good indicator. That is what my initial thought was but then I think back to a guy like Swisher who had a god awful season pretty recently and am not so sure a season is even an acceptable time period. Maybe its dependent on how long a player has been in the majors? How consistent within that time frame? There really is no set number for a “small sample size” I suppose, but a full season is probably the best starting point. I just even have to wonder how accurate that would be as a predictor.
# LGY May 11th, 2010 at 3:42 pm
Dallas,
Get off my blog!!!
Oh yeah… Well my Grandma says to stick it…. not how i do things in the 202
Mike B May 11th, 2010 at 4:11 pm
and not that i want to see the yanks losing in the 9th, but man does valverde needs to be taken down a peg or two or what?
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My brother e-mailed me this morning and asked “people think Joba is bad?”
Betsy,
Every team has rotation issues. The Yankees have fewer of them than anybody in the league.
Boston: Lester is terrific, IMO. Beckett has been awful. As bad as Javy in some ways. Lackey hasn’t been good. Buchholz? So so. Dice-K has been awful and Wakefield is shot. Nothing special there. Their bullpen? Ok, not great, and logging a lot of innings this early in the season. That’s never a good sign.
Tampa: No real #1 and you are asking young guys like Price, Wade Davis and Randy Niemann to hold up all season. Risky to say the least. Their bullpen is nothing special.
The Yankees: CC, Hughes, AJ and Pettitte have been very good. Javy has been awful.
I’d say the Yankees have fewer problems than their competitors in the pitching department.
I’m not even mentioning the fact that nobody else has as good 8th-9th finishers as Joba and Mo.
And over the same career Javy has averaged 198 k’s and 219 innings per season.
Is that average?
But Erica, you DH’d the wrong guy. Jay had all the right guys, just in the wrong order.
Ken_Rosenthal Sweeney called #Mariners’ meeting: “We will support and fight and take a bullet for Ken Griffey Jr. if we have to. He’s our teammate
Nothing is going to divide this clubhouse, especially a makeshift article made up of lies…”
Detroit has a heckova bullpen.
I cant imagine any player truely wanting to be in the town though, real dump…
Most fans, especially the one’s on here, have no idea how to evaluate pitchers.
They are too emotional, get too caught up in a series of bad or good starts, and don’t use the data available to measure what constitues a “good” or “above average” pitcher these days.
Compare his numbers, all of them, not just the one’s you don’t like, to every other starter in the last 10 years and it shows he isn’t an “average” pitcher.
Don’t let your emotions cloud your judgment.
“Doreen – GTLU Stuff & Photos May 11th, 2010 at 4:11 pm
IDCWYT -
I?m making a ruling that GTLU does NOT get cancelled just because the game is rained out. ”
Fair enough.
The Red Sox wanted Javy and Cashman snatched him away.
Is this news or have I been out of the loop?
Yeah what’s Valverde doing out there?
It looked like praying but I wasn’t sure. I’d have Joe West take a look at that.
Rain is ending. Game will be played.
Doreen – GTLU Stuff & Photos May 11th, 2010 at 4:15 pm
But Erica, you DH?d the wrong guy. Jay had all the right guys, just in the wrong order.
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But I would have been closer!!!!!!! LOL
Either way, it still counts as one big, fat loss
pat -
I never heard Boston wanted Javy, either. Maybe the first time around?
Erica -
On second thought, I’d call it a toss-up! You got the order and players right, but the DH wrong. He got the DH and players right but the order wrong.
Patick, Pat M and SJ44,
I agree the Yanks should continue to start Javy, but I’d like to see some progress.
Sample size is a tricky thing, it depends on what is being measured and why you are doing the measuring. Sometimes a season is too short, sometimes 30 IPs can be too many.
If Javy doesn’t shape up soon, I think the Yanks may begin to believe in the “30 IPs are too many” rather than “the season is too short” point of view.
Slumps or downward cylcles occur in every facet of life, even professional atheletes…I understand this is a difficult concept for some here to digest…….Just look at your own lives and you’ll see !!!!
TylerKepner Dallas Braden takes the field here in Arlington, sitting in a director’s chair w/ a camera crew. Reading the Letterman top 10 list maybe?
Will this guy please just go away? LOL
I kind of like ERA+ and OPS+ but they have become like “one-stop shopping” in evaluating statistics.
As if you could just look at the one number and know everything about a player.
SJ: I agree about the Sox…
The Rays? You could say that, but then you also have to say that about Phil. What is the difference between Phil and any of those guys except that he has innings limits and he’s never gone through a full season as a starter?
Why is it that SSS only work when it’s negative? You’re talking about Javy and his SSS and how we need to give him time. Fine, ok. However, Phil has made exactly 5 starts. You think he’s going to pitch this way all year? You don’t think he’s going to have bumps in the road (that just means struggles for anyone inclined to twist that comment)? You said he would in ST, so unless you completely changed your tune, what has changed? The Yankees are depending on him a lot more than they wanted to…….. and no, this is not treating him with kid gloves. There’s a reason why they got Javy and that was in part to allow Phil (or whomever the winner of the 5th spot was) to develop without putting inordinate pressure on him.
What do you guys think about the Yanks looking into Catalanatto. He can hit righties, excellent pinch hitter, not a liability in the field. He cant be much worst then Winn or Thames.
Pat M.,
Maybe everyone who disagrees have perfect lives? I don’t know about them but I go into slumps on an hourly basis. Wait does that make me bipolar?
“Yeah what?s Valverde doing out there?”
Think Mo will be so happy to return to action that he will break out some moves like that?!? Personally, I didn’t really mind him celebrating the strikeout to end the game, but I thought it was absurd for him to celebrate each and every out he recorded.
Doreen
Gammons on WFAN just said Cashman was a step ahead of Theo this offseason making the Vazquez deal because Boston was interested in trading for him.
Wave, I think he gets until Memorial Day or roughly 5 more outings before seeking out options….Unless of course the wheels completely fall of the cart, which I cannot see occurring…….I’m a half glass full type guy
No way this game will be played.
Tomorrow’s game looks OK, but Thursday’s forecast looks awful.
So play a day/night tomorrow and makeup Thursday’s game when the season ends.
I guess you can come up with any peripheral stat that shows just about anything, but Javy is average. Lots of innings, but average results.
“TylerKepner Dallas Braden takes the field here in Arlington, sitting in a director?s chair w/ a camera crew. Reading the Letterman top 10 list maybe?”
Which do you think is greater: 1) the odds he will throw another perfect game in his next start or 2) the odds that whatever list he is reading or interview he is doing will not include an A-Rod reference?
Patrick….No, not bipolar, just a realist
Think Mo will be so happy to return to action that he will break out some moves like that?!? Personally, I didn’t really mind him celebrating the strikeout to end the game, but I thought it was absurd for him to celebrate each and every out he recorded.
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agreed. people comparing it to joba are dumb too. joba reacts at the end of the inning. i would have had no issue with valverde celebrating after striking out the side of the three he did, but after each one was a bit tacky.
tk May 11th, 2010 at 4:24 pm
?Yeah what?s Valverde doing out there??
Think Mo will be so happy to return to action that he will break out some moves like that?!? Personally, I didn?t really mind him celebrating the strikeout to end the game, but I thought it was absurd for him to celebrate each and every out he recorded.
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Exactly-I wouldn’t have minded at all if it had been after the final out. But every time?? LOL
weather should break by 7 and hold till around 10 might be able to squeeze it in
Doreen – GTLU Stuff & Photos May 11th, 2010 at 4:20 pm
Erica -
On second thought, I?d call it a toss-up! You got the order and players right, but the DH wrong. He got the DH and players right but the order wrong.
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Thanks fo rtrying to make me feel better, but I was way off. I had Swisher in the #2 spot
What do you guys think about the Yanks looking into Catalanatto. He can hit righties, excellent pinch hitter, not a liability in the field. He cant be much worst then Winn or Thames.
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Isnt Frankie C a NY/NJ guy too?
yea he a NY guy…. Smithtown
Betsy,
Phil Hughes doesn’t have to babied. Just as some guys struggle out of the gate, or have tough seasons, this is a breakout season for Hughes.
Obviously, he’s not going to pitch to a 1 ERA this year.
However, there is no reason to think he can’t win a lot of games this year and be one of the best pitchers in the league because he has the TALENT to do so.
If he has to step up, he will. That’s what its all about being a professional athlete.
Last year, most people on here were POSITIVE going to the bullpen would “ruin” Phil Hughes.
It ended up being the best thing that has ever happened to him.
Personally, I think Hughes wins at least 15 games this year if he continues to throw the way he is throwing. He’s too good, and this team is too good, not to win that many games the way he is pitching.
Vazzy’s remaining month of May starts are
@ Detroit
vs. Minnesota
@ NY Mets
@ Minnesota
Not the easiest of tasks. However, 3 of those games are on the road, two of them in big ballparks.
Or, you can learn how to read an interpret all of the stats surrounding any pitcher, not just Vazquez, to make a more informed conclusion on his talents.
Chris,
Even if that is the case, that is sufficient for the Yankees’ needs. An average to above-average #4/#5 pitcher who will give innings.
How many times do I read on here that W/L does not tell the story of a pitcher?
pat -
That’s interesting; I just wonder why it’s come up now and not earlier?
You stat guys may or may not find this a little funny.
I spend an inordinate amount of my day with GTLU. It’s interesting to me that I find my mind wandering to things like, “I wonder how many of these correct guesses come when Girardi fields his opening day lineup,” and actually considering drawing up the numbers on it. Baseball just lends itself to quantification, doesn’t it? In even the most out-there scenario of GTLU stats.
(Since my husband already thinks I’m crazy, I’m not going there, though!)
I’m really pulling for Javy tonight (I swear!). I’m hoping for 5 innings and maybe 3 runs. I think he can do it, but my question to all the regulars is when are people going to be allowed to criticize him without being told we’re overreacting, fair-weathered fans, don’t know anything about baseball, etc? I just want to know how many poor starts the guy is allowed based on whatever rules of fan-hood you guys are utilizing. And I promise this is a legitimate question and not meant as sarcasm, I really am curious.
Chad, the Yanks are playing tonight…
Just look at the radar and it’s pretty clear that the Rain will be gone in an hour or two.
“but my question to all the regulars is when are people going to be allowed to criticize him without being told we’re overreacting, fair-weathered fans, don’t know anything about baseball, etc?”
I can’t speak for the other regulars, but once I begin to criticize Javy I will allow you to do so as well.
SJ,
You’re right…Phil’s time in the pen was the best thing that could have happened to him. He’s a different pitcher than he was the last go around in the rotation. Hopefully I will have the same effect on Joba…early signs are good.
SJ44,
Even given Hughes’ unsustainable BABIP he’s still pitching like one of the top 10 pitchers in the league. My question for you is, how are the Yankees going to limit him to only 170 innings? It was easy last year because Joba was pretty mediocre but if Phil continues to pitch like an ace it’s going to be awful tough to skip him.
He looks ready right now to be a front of the rotation starter. I have more confidence in Phil when he takes the mound than any other pitcher on the Yanks outside of CC and Rivera.
SJ, maybe it came off as me trying to baby Phil, but that was not my intention. I won’t try to temper anyone else’s expectations, just mine.
I was dead, dead wrong on the bullpen being a waste of time. I was very annoyed when they didn’t send him down to start, but that did end up being a great thing for him. I’ve never been so glad to be so wrong.
Wave, thanks for clearing that up for me. Now once you and everyone else decide on what consists of a small sample size I guess I’ll get a real answer lol.
Javier has a been very good pitcher throughout his career. This year will be no different, unless he develops or has some sort of injury.
By the end of this year, he’ll be back at 200 IP and 12-15 wins.
It starts tonight against a fairly ordinary Tigers lineup in a pitcher’s park!
7IP 2R
Nobody is saying you can’t criticize the guy.
Its when the criticism becomes moronic, as in, “he’s never been any good” (wrong), “its all in his head” (pretty tough for me to believe a fan knows that), “he’s gutless” (NOBODY who becomes a professional athlete is gutless), or “he’s the reason why the Yankees lost in 2004″ ( moronically incorrect. Which, is the genesis of ALL of the criticism this guy is receiving so far), is when the criticism of him makes little sense.
Good question, Patrick, especially since he keeps giving us innings. He’s a lot more efficient now than he ever has been…… Maybe skip some starts around the All-Star break?
CR9,
I like your take on Vazquez but the real question is, how hot is he?
kidding…
You cannot just look at a pitcher’s career ERA+ and conclude he is therefore an average pitcher. There are just so many other things and variables before putting such a baseless label on someone. Also, does anyone really know what the exact definition is of an “average” pitcher? If you do, I would like to know.
The sheer amount of innings he pitches alone puts him in a different category than most pitchers in today’s game. And those extra innings are very valuable especially with how bad bullpen pitchers typically are and how much worse they pitch from being overworked over the course of a season.
Also Javier Vazquez in 2010 is not the same Javier Vazquez in 2008, 2004, 1998, whatever. It is as if some fans think that player’s just gradually improve in a straight line until they hit a peak and then start coming back down as they get older. These guys are human beings. They are not pre-set robots.
Shame,
The sample size will be large enough for different people at different times, closely correlated with when each individual can’t take it anymore.
Betsy,
Yeah the thing that bugs me about innings limits is that Phil is only throwing 100 pitches a start but he’s going 6, 7, 8 innings a go. And the innings are easy, low stress innings for the most part. Joba last year would get 4.2 innings at 100 pitches and 15 baserunners. 170 innings for him is not the same as it is for 2010 Hughes.
Patrick, I suspect the Yanks know that as well.
Patrick -
That is an excellent point about the quality of Phil Hughes’ innings versus Joba circa 2009.
SJ, I understand what you’re saying. I guess even though I know the numbers tell me he will get better, I’m apprehensive. Its sort of how I felt with Wang last season. Even though he’s been pitching for fewer years than Javy, I really wanted to believe the guy was gonna find “it” and turn things around. (I’m not comparing situations, I know that the context of Wang’s injuries and Javy’s struggles are different). I’m just giving you a frame of reference for why I am cautious with relying on numbers as indicators of success. Now with guys like Jeter, who I’ve been watching play for his entire career, its easy for me to say “hey, its just a slump, he’ll be fine over the course of a season.” But with Javy, its more of an unknown entity. So I’m not so quick to think “well, he’ll be fine because his career numbers say so.” I know that the logic should be the same no matter the player, but its more of a comfort thing I guess.
Patrick,
The way I see it, 30 starts, 6 innings per start= 180 innings.
If you figure a skip here and there, some short outings when he has bad days, or lighter work in the last week of the season if they have playoff spot clinched, is a doable thing.
That covers his innings limit and gives the Yankees what they need.
If he is a Game 4 post-season starter, he starts another 2-3 games at most.
All in all, very doable, IMO.
Patrick
Well, only since you brought it up. Scale of 1 to 10, between a 6.5 and 8. A bit of a receding hairline, but that’s fine with me.
Wave – that might be the best response I’ve gotten since I’ve been posting here. Fantastic!
Patrick, I suspect the Yanks know that as well.
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Yeah I know but it’s still infuriating because they only talk about innings limits, not pitch limits or whatever. I’m sure they chart all of this stuff and know exactly what’s going on but the announcers, reporters, even Girardi and Cashman only talk about innings limits. Sorry, it’s just a pet peeve of mine.
Shame Spencer May 11th, 2010 at 4:44 pm
Wave ? that might be the best response I?ve gotten since I?ve been posting here. Fantastic!
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I pay attention!
CR9,
Jeter’s hairline is receding too.
SJ44,
You’re right, it’s doable. Just as a big fan of his, it will be very hard for me because I want to see him pitch all the time.
And with the way he’s going right now, I want him pitching game 2 of the playoffs, not game 4
“I guess you can come up with any peripheral stat that shows just about anything, but Javy is average. Lots of innings, but average results.”
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Innings are part of the result. A big part.
Teams do account for stressful innings in their innings caps.
If you are throwing say, 7 innings of 93 relatively stress free innings, that’s a little different than throwing 105 pitch, 5 1/3 inning outings.
Its why I don’t believe the Yankees are going to run into the problem with Hughes’ innings than they did with Joba. Especially since I’m guessing Hughes’ innings cap will probably be 20-25 innings higher than Joba’s was last year.
I’m sorry Erica, you know I prefer to discuss Betty White and mac and cheese.. but as far as sarcastic, illogical baseball fan talk goes, that was pretty good.
I still think the Yankees did Joba a disservice in the middle of last season by telling Joba he would “start”, but only go 4 innings or so.
I understand the need to control innings, but I still think that would lead to a strong mental lapse when you know you have no chance of finishing what you are starting.
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Patrick -
Even though you and many people are keenly interested in that, the Yankees are proprietary about that and it’s not really surprising that they are. In reality, it’s of no consequence to anyone but them and Phil, and maybe it’s not even necessary for Phil to know in all its exactness.
Patrick, exactly so. Baltimore was a high stress game for him, but even in the Sox game where he gave up as many hits as innings pitched, I just never got the idea that Phil was working that hard. There have been games he could have gone longer, but with big leads, it made sense to pull him.
I probably need to clarify my comments. Phil has the talent right now to be a real winner – I do not doubt that for one moment (I’ve never doubted him). My hesitation to be as bold as to predict some huge breakout season comes from my natural caution. When I say he’s going to hit bumps in the road, I just mean he’s going to have some bad games. I guess now that I write it out like that it, it seems kind of silly for me to have concerns since it’s a given that every pitcher will have bad games. If the Yanks want to preserve his arm and keep it somewhat fresh (right now, he’s just flying high), maybe skipping him every so often would be better instead of skipping him later. I’m not sure there’s an easy answer.
Is there any way we can mute SJ44? What a know it all
Shame Spencer May 11th, 2010 at 4:47 pm
I?m sorry Erica, you know I prefer to discuss Betty White and mac and cheese.. but as far as sarcastic, illogical baseball fan talk goes, that was pretty good.
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Only because no one usually values my hardcore baseball opinions.
But they do appreciate my thoughts on Ernie and Blanche Deveraux
You have to wonder that if Curtis wasn’t hurt, would he be the # 2 stick in the lineup ???? Everytime Brett is inserted in that slot I just think Curtis would have been very comfortable there….Just me rehashing my old worn out opinoin…..But Giradi has played the speed guy there quite often since Johnson went down….
Patrick
I know. Jeter and Vazquez have a few similar features. Both are better than Damon.
Damon tops out at 7.5, whereas Jeter is a 10 and Vaz tops out at an 8.
You’re right Doreen, but it still frustrates me
Shame Spencer.
Thanks. Never let it be said I don’t pay attention around here.
Betsy
The Yanks are relying on Phil anymore than they always planned to….He was always expected to take the ball every 5th day or whenever his start came up and pitch to the best of his abilities just as any of the other starters are expected to…
He has so far probably exceeded those expectations somewhat but it’s not as if Girardi and Eiland are planning around Phil throwing shutouts everytime out.
He is a very very talented young pitcher as they always believed he was and is now beginning to establish himself is his career, good for him.
However Vazquez’s struggles aren’t putting any undue pressure on Phil or CC or AJ or Pettite for that matter. they are only adding to his own sense of pressure on himself….he needs to throw a good game so that he can exhale or exhale so that he can throw a good game.
BTW the only difference between Javy and Beckett is that Josh has 1 good game on his ledger this season. Are they calling for him to be dumped into the Boston Harbor along with crates of tea yet?
CR9
enough already with the whose hot garbage! it’s annoying and frankly takes away from th real sports talk…..I’m sure TMZ has a blog somewhere or Perez Hilton go post that crap on there.
Sandy May 11th, 2010 at 4:48 pm
Is there any way we can mute SJ44? What a know it all
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Don’t read his comments if you don’t like what he has to say. Pretty simple. In fact not much harder than pushing the mute button on your TV.
Sandy….Were you not in Grease ???? Go back !!!!
Sandy,
No but, thanks for playing.
Champ, good points.
Erica – always OPPC – Sesame Street Mafia and GTLU supporter May 11th, 2010 at 4:47 pm
I still think the Yankees did Joba a disservice in the middle of last season by telling Joba he would ?start?, but only go 4 innings or so.
I understand the need to control innings, but I still think that would lead to a strong mental lapse when you know you have no chance of finishing what you are starting.
(This next part is a test- Big Bird)
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Will I be the only one that responds to Big Bird???
But I do agree with you on Joba-I think that really messed him up last year.
I love how people are always trying to tell people here to shut up – I’ve had that happen to me and this is not the first time SJ has been told to stuff it.
Wrong Sandy, Pat M – I think this is the one from Annie.
Erin-
Just trying to get an actual idea if anyone other than you reads my posts. LOL
Erin-
Just trying to get an actual idea if anyone other than you reads my posts. LOL
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Are you talking to yourself again?
CR9,
Ok now you’re making me laugh, good job
What about the ugly Yankees like Jorge, Robbie, Joba?
I heard on the radio today that dallas braden(ARod’s #1 fan) will be on the next
SI cover.
Anybody heard of the SI jinx, LOL!!!
Patrick May 11th, 2010 at 4:58 pm
CR9,
Ok now you?re making me laugh, good job
What about the ugly Yankees like Jorge, Robbie, Joba?
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Patrick!! Take Robbie off of that list right now
Phil and Joba are where they need to be now. It’s a shame Joba was toyed with the last year or so…. But he is getting back to form and i think he will be the best pre-closer in the league and if someday Mo ever retires (hoping never), i feel confident in bullpen joba.
New Post: Standing around a clubhouse
Patrick!! Take Robbie off of that list right now
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Wow really? Shows how much I know…
new thread
A makeshift article filled with lies? Well! Either two teammates said he was sleeping or not.
If they didn’t, then shun the guy who wrote the makeshift article filled with lies.
One, thing, though. Apparently the manager was evasive when asked why Griffey wasn’t available to PH that day.
Betsy -
Ouch!
Patrick
Thanks! I hope it doesnt take away from the humor, but Im serious!
Joba is sort of cute, like a chubby faced kid! Joba tops out at a 6.
Jorge, you have to know him to love him. And since he’s a Yankee, he gets rated much higher than if not a Yankee. Not a Yankee, he’d top out at a 2 or 3. Since he’s a Yankee, he tops out at a 6.
Robi is downright cute/gorgeous. His gleaming radiant smile is like a picture that’s worth a thousand words! Robi tops out at an 8 or 9.
Don’t read his comments if you don’t like what he has to say. Pretty simple. In fact not much harder than pushing the mute button on your TV.
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Not necessarily. Muting allows you to eliminate all sound.
They way this board is designed, you have to actually read the posters name to determine if it’s someone you want to ignore, and due to eyeballs, you have to at least see some of the text they type. This is also due to scrolling downwards (or upwards). Please learn the difference between sight and sound before posting. Thank you.
Fortunately for my sake I have the IQ level to see “they see me trollin” and know not to read anymore.
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