Garcia released, Lindsay claimed
Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Misc on May 14, 2010 
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The Yankees have claimed RHP Shane Lindsay off waivers from the Rockies. He will report to the minor league complex before being assigned to a minor league team.
To make room on the 40-man roster, injured prospect Christian Garcia was released. Garcia is loaded with talent but hasn’t been able to stay healthy throughout his career.
Who?
Some team is going to pick Garcia up………I don’t blame the Yankees for releasing him, but for Shane Lindsay?
Good luck to Christian Garcia. Hope he makes it back. Just not with the Red Sox.
Lindsay’s Australian. Not terribly tall and a righty. I don’t know what we love about him.
Does Garcia has to go through waivers? If not, he can be re-signed by the Yankees to a minor league contract right?
Phil do you know if this is a spot where they talked to him before the release to let him know it was a roster thing, and he will resign soon after as a free agent?
Considering the current issues that have occured to the club, this really isn’t a bad lineup guys………Did anybody else see how quickly LeBron removed his jersey last night???? Ten feet into the tunnel…Just an observation………Bsh, James & Lee , the new Law firm on 8th Ave & 33rd Street, commonly known as Madison Square Garden
I don’t get it ……….. I don’t think Garcia will ever be what people hoped he would be because of his injuries, but the Yankees don’t have many arms like his in the system. He’s not all that young, but he’s not old, either. The Yankees would rather have some mediocre prospect (if Lindsay is even a prospect) then Garcia?
Betsy,
Didn’t Garcia have a second arm surgery? If so, that’s an awfully long time to hold a roster spot. If the Yankees were patient and took care of him all this time, then maybe they came to an agreement, or at the very least parted on good terms.
Shane Lindsay? The Yanks put him on the 40 man? Why?
CB brought up an interesting point about this just being a roster move. I suggest those interested in Garcia/organization business take a look at end of last thread.
Z’ing is believing May 14th, 2010 at 4:21 pm
So Posada isn’t out because of some long-held grudge from the late-’90s?
I thought maybe that troll from this morning was onto something.
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When you claim a guy off waivers from another team’s roster, he has to go on your roster. You can’t just claim him and throw him into your minors.
The Yanks are probably hoping Garcia’s injuries get him through waivers and he continues rehabbing with them.
Garcia I understand, Lindsay I don’t.
“CB brought up an interesting point about this just being a roster move. I suggest those interested in Garcia/organization business take a look at end of last thread.”
I suggest that you consider that the roster is in the same position it was before as a result of claiming Lindsay.
“When you claim a guy off waivers from another team’s roster, he has to go on your roster. You can’t just claim him and throw him into your minors.”
Phil, that just begs the question.
Via LoHud, the Yankees have released Chris Garcia, who had his second Tommy John surgery last month. They could still re-sign him to a minor league contract, similar to what they did with Humberto Sanchez last year. That would remove Garcia from the 40-man roster and keep him in the organization without allowing him accrue service time, which a 60-day DL assignment would.
The move frees up a roster spot for righty Shane Lindsay, who the Yanks claimed off waivers from the Rockies. Baseball America ranked Lindsay as Colorado’s 23rd best prospect coming into the season, noting his “mid-90’s fastball that can touch 98, as well as a knuckle-curve that he can throw for quality strikes.” He’s strictly a reliever, but his numbers this year are ugly: 13.2 IP, 15 H, 10 R, 10 ER, 17 BB, 19 K, 4 WP. ·
http://riveraveblues.com/2010/.....cia-28371/
begs what question?
Poor Christian Garcia.
This might really be his theme song:
http://www.youtube.com/watch#!.....re=related
I’m not saying it’s end, and I certainly hope for his sake that it’s not (whether it’s w/the Yanks or some other team).
Garcia will resign with the Yanks. This business with Lindsay is just a shot in the dark. A lottery ticket if you will. They can get rid of him whenever they want.
“………Did anybody else see how quickly LeBron removed his jersey last night???? Ten feet into the tunnel…”
Yep, he couldn’t wait to get that Cav jersey off and put orange and blue on.
“begs what question?”
Why the Yanks would want Lindsay on their 40 man roster?
Saw this from 2006
This Rockies prospect might be the best young baseball pitcher you haven?t heard about. The Australian righthander has struck out 198 batters in 130 innings in the lower minor leagues over the past two years. Lindsay?s repertoire includes a sharp curveball and a 97 mph fastball, so there?s little question that he can succeed at higher levels of competition if two important developments occur. First, he needs to refine his control. Second, he just needs to stay healthy. Lindsay only pitched 66 innings last year and spent much of this season recovering from a partially torn rotator cuff in extended Spring Training. He will pitch for Waikiki this month.
Note, he pitched for Rockies this year & walks a lot of folks. He has incredible stuff though. 12-6 curve & exciting 95 to 97 mph FB.
sorry for the bad link. let’s try that again:
http://www.youtube.com/watch#!.....re=related
If they claim Lindsey, he has to be put on the 40 man roster. They are probably taking a shot at big arm and see if there is anything there. If there isn’t, they will release him.
arrggh.
you win this time, HTML.
(it’s “Born Under a Bad Sign” by Cream)
So Garcia can still be-resigned and other teams don’t get a crack at him first?
If the Phillies waived Halladay and the Yankees claimed Lindsay instead I could understand the complaining.
Since that didn’t happen, teams may not want to add a guy 1 month into TJ surgery so he could end up back in the system and Lindsay has a better chance of contributing than Garcia does in the near future, I don’t see the problem.
Lindsay has had injury problems as well. He was once highly regarded, but his stock has fallen.
Baseball America ranked Lindsay as Colorado’s 23rd best prospect coming into the season, noting his “mid-90’s fastball that can touch 98, as well as a knuckle-curve that he can throw for quality strikes.”
I imagine the Yankees feel very confident Garcia will clear waivers.
Que paso mi amigos. Hope i wasnt forgotten. Been really busy moving and closing my business. Pretty stressful and relieving at the same time. Just thought i would drop by just to say im still kicken.
BTW, i have not watched a full game all season. So i will have to rely on my bad jokes to fit in. I was trying to cut my addiction for the family. Its hard but its all good.
Hate this move so much… What do we need another Brian Bruney for?
SJ44, I understand why Lindsay has to be put on the roster if the Yanks claim him. I get less why they claimed him, were they worried the Phils or the Rays would claim him?
Oh well, I think they just wanted somebody to hang with Andrew Brackman…
“If the Phillies waived Halladay and the Yankees claimed Lindsay instead I could understand the complaining.”
People should feel free to complain, but it’s merely taking a shot at pitcher who was once well thought of. It’s nothing more than that.
Girardi to be on with Francesca at 5……….
It’s the electric arm policy. You take a shot when you can. He’s healthier than Garcia now, so, it’s a calculated risk.
I suspect that the Yanks saw Shane Lindsay in Rockies organization when they scouted Hirsch. Similar type issues as Shane had rotator cuff surgery in 2006 & missed almost all of 2007 with a hand injury due to some temper issues. He was a quality prospect before all that. He had a great AFL in 2008 and has improved since then with the quality of his pitches. He appears to have not taken kindly as a RP, but he may flourish with a regular schedule and some mechanical adjustments as a SP.
My guess is Hirsch is coming up to Yanks & Shane will take Hirsch’s spot in rotation. Both guys were great prospects at one time or another and caught in the altitudes of Colorado and their quality arms.
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I think there’s a good chance that the Yanks will resign Garcia.
They made the move because they couldn’t afford to keep a 40 man roster slot occupied with Garcia.
Better to make the move now rather than later on when he’s further along in his recovery.
It’s in Garcia’s best interest to resing with the yanks given how patient they’ve been with him and how well they know him. I’d guess they discussed this with him prior. Shane Lindsay is most likely just a secondary issue.
They did this same thing of releasing and then resigning Sanchez to clear a 40 man roster spot as well, IIRC.
S.o.S,
Good to know you’re doing well. I can take off the S.o.S now.
Maybe this is a Towers influenced signing.
I still don’t know what the uproar is about. They can get rid of him whenever they want. It’s not like he’s making 3 mil.
“It’s in Garcia’s best interest to resing with the yanks given how patient they’ve been with him and how well they know him.”
I’m not sure it’s in Garcia’s best interests, but it is in the Yankees’.
I’m not sure it’s in Garcia’s best interests, but it is in the Yankees’.
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What would be in Garcia’s better interests than re-signing? I don’t think signing with a new organization while still injured is in any players best interest, unless its the mets or cardinals and you want to get away from their medical staff
The Yankees are taking a flier on Lindsay. He’s just a marginal shot in the dark. If he doesn’t work out he’ll be released.
This isn’t a surprise with Garcia and I don’t think the two moves are directly related.
There was no way the yankees could afford to keep Garcia on their 40 man roster for the 18 months it may take him to come back from TJ #2. That wasn’t remotely feasible.
The best chance to keep him in the organization is to release him early.
If it wasn’t Lindsay they would have just released him for someone else.
You can’t keep Garcia on your 40 man roster while he’s recovering from a repeat TJ. They could put him on the 60 man now but he’d have to go back on the 40 man over the winter prior to the rule V draft. It makes no sense to lose a guy in the rule 5 to protect Garcia given the probability of him ever coming back. You can’t utilize roster spot resources like that.
Releasing him now is the right move.
Imagine the complaining on here if the soxs picked him up and he turned out to be something. (just hypothetical, I know the soxs had first crack and passed) I am merely making a point.
Thanks mel. I peaked in here a coupel times and didnt see any of you here. Hope your all doing well. Ill drop by again when i can catch my breath.
I guess you kept the BFF charm after all.
Good point about Towers…….I don’t mind taking chances on players, so if they can re-sign Garcia, it’s an ok move. Granted, I think it is the longest of longshots that the Yankees get anything out of Garcia, but I would hate to see another team take the shot and hit the jackpot.
“What would be in Garcia’s better interests than re-signing? I don’t think signing with a new organization while still injured is in any players best interest, unless its the mets or cardinals and you want to get away from their medical staff”
No, I’m saying that looking at it purely from Garcia’s perspective, why wouldn’t he want to remain on the 40 man?
CB-
I don’t have a problem with the Garcia move, it was going to happen sooner or later anyway.
The Lindsay move is just mystifying, if the Yanks claimed him a lot of teams passed on him, the Yanks could have signed him to a minor league contract after he passed through waivers if they think they can do something with him. 7 years in the minors and he hasn’t found the plate – his 2010 stat line is a wonder: 13 IP, 17 BB, 19 Ks, 4 WP, 2 HBP, just…wow!
S.o.S.(out of the desert, home sweet home.) May 14th, 2010 at 4:41 pm
Que paso mi amigos. Hope i wasnt forgotten
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Hi S.o.S!!
You guys will never guess who has the lowest ERA in the majors AND the best record in the NL. bwahaha.
It is most likely in Garcia’s best interest to resign with the yanks.
They drafted him. They’ve overseen his development. They’ve already overseen his comeback from TJ #1. And they have extensive experience dealing with guys who throw hard who have had TJ.
The yankees have invested a great deal in Garcia in terms of time and attention. No other organization will have close to that level of investment in him.
The organization has been extraordinarily patient with him. It’s not likely another organization who doesn’t know him at all will exhibit similar patience.
As yankee fans it’s great to dream on Garcia’s potential. But most other organizations haven’t even seen a glimpse of that upside. To them he’d just be a flier.
In other words, to most other organizations Garcia won’t be much more than Rob Lindsay is to the yankees.
We got Red Ruffing from the Sox because Waite Hoyt or one of the other old time Yankee pitchers had seen something they thought they could fix in his delivery. The rest was history.
No, I’m saying that looking at it purely from Garcia’s perspective, why wouldn’t he want to remain on the 40 man?
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What does being on the 40 man get him while injured?
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You make more dough on the 40, but that’s about it.
Good to see you Erin.
Talk to you all later.
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I really don’t think this Lindsay thing is any big deal. They’re just taking a look. Maybe they see a mechanical glitch they’d like to try to fix. It’s no big deal. If they didn’t happen to have a 40 man spot that was functionally open then I don’t think they made the effort to sign him.
It’s not a big deal. If he’s released in a month or two I wouldn’t be surprised.
You make more dough on the 40, but that’s about it.
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You sure about that? I don’t think that’s the case…
Garcia should go to Boston so he can stick it to the Yankees for releasing him….
“What does being on the 40 man get him while injured?”
In theory he accrues service time to hasten the 6 year period at which he either becomes a minor league free agent or has to be put on the 25 man roster.
Functionally to a guy with Garcia’s history that’s of little value compared to getting his arm back in shape and doing so in an organization that knows his baseball and medical history very well.
Yes, players on the 40 are paid more money than other minor leaguers.
pat,
Ooh. Wasn’t clear was I? Lowest team era and best team record. Top Dawg.
“What does being on the 40 man get him while injured?”
Wait. If you were in Garcia’s shoes, you would prefer to be off the 40 man roster? If so, why?
Again, this is in the Yankees’ best interests, which is all they should care about, but if I’m Garcia, my preference is to stay on the 40 man because it would demonstrate that the Yankees’ were committed to me.
If Garcia doesn’t think the Yankees are committed to him despite all his injuries, the I don’t know what to tell him; at some point, practicality has to kick in.
Joe on with Mike F. now……..
“Wait. If you were in Garcia’s shoes, you would prefer to be off the 40 man roster?”
It’s not exactly his call.
I would think that Garcia’s disappointed, but that he would also understand that the Yankees had little choice but to make moves around him.
Rich,
Agree. And it’s not like they removed him from the 40 man for some good prospect or some useful ML player that we need. We released him for some shot in the dark guy.
Anybody know anything about the upside of Zolio Almonte down in Charleston? Seems to be putting up some decent numbers this year. Always liked him when he was playing down in the GCL
CB, no I agree it’s not a big deal. Unless the Yanks hesitate to promote someone onto the 40 man who might help now while they wait to see what Lindsay can do, although other than Montero or Colin Curtis when he gets healthy I don’t know who that would be.
I do get a kick out of his stats, though.
You accrue service time, and are paid more money, if you are on the 40 man roster and/or the 60 Day DL.
As far as a “committment” to Garcia, at this point, its pretty tough to be committed to a guy that is 12-18 months away from pitching again.
The odds a guy comes back from 2 TJ Surgeries is also very slim.
This is one of those decisions that is strictly business on the part of the Yankees. They really have no other choice but to do it.
Betsy,
If you go to milb.com, they have a nice profile on Lindsay. Was once the number 1 prospect in his minor league league and was a highly rated prospect in the Rockies system. Seems to have some injury problems and hasn’t been too sharp this year with a 6 ERA and almost a 1:1 K to BB ratio. Had a 1.89 ERA with a107 K’s to just 34 BB in 2005 and even last year was effective with a sub 3 ERA. I’m intrigued by this move. Major upside here.
Yanks need to let him try and pitch through injuries. He has a little elbow soreness and they send him for surgery.
Why not let him pitch through it? Force him to show toughness by pitching through pain, not give him surgery everytime he has a little soreness…
The should cut his rehab short and then turn him into a reliever when he comes bakc. Make him air it out for 1 inning and throw 95 with that split change – reminds me of Papelbon. Make him pitch through pain.
Of course Garcia would naturally rather be on the 40 man. But he has no leverage in the transaction.
Teams don’t often stick with guys who have thrown almost no innings since being drafted 5 years ago and are now on their second TJ surgery.
That’s not a real position of strength to be in.
Despite that, resigning with the Yanks given the situation he’s in would likely still be in his best interest.
“Make him pitch through pain.”
yes, a new solution to pitching injuries has been developed. Brilliant.
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Wave Your Hat May 14th, 2010 at 4:54 pm
Lindsay spent over 2 yrs of that 7 hurt. Rotator cuff surgery missed 2006 (injured in 2005), & missed 2007 with a hand injury. That put him basically out of baseball for almost 2.5 years. Then he came back in 2008 and excelled in Az Fall league. The Rockies thought enough of him to protect him as a Rule 5 guy & also to have him in the MLB this year. He is a flame thrower and is only 25 yrs old now. High upside IMO.
Tyler, thanks – hey, it’s a shot in the dark.
So Garcia isn’t tough because his body has betrayed him? I’m sure he’s having surgery for kicks…….
“Unless the Yanks hesitate to promote someone onto the 40 man who might help now while they wait to see what Lindsay can do, although other than Montero or Colin Curtis when he gets healthy I don’t know who that would be.”
I don’t think this is going to happen if for no other reason that the minors are so thin now that there aren’t any close to major league ready prospect not on the 40 man.
Colin Curtis was already added to the 40 man over the winter to protect him in the rule V.
Zach McCallister is the one guy but he’s pitching pretty poorly and I don’t know if he’ll be ready this year as it is. If he is – they’ll cut Lindsay.
If Montero for some reason looks ready to help the team later on in the season – Lindsay is not going to stop them.
Other than that there really isn’t much major league ready talent not on the 40 man.
And remember – they still have Albie on the 40 man.
Tie
I’m not against the move.
SJ
I’m not saying they should be committed, I’m merely saying that this move wasn’t in Garcia’s best interests which, again, is fine, but it’s the fact. Baseball is a business, but we knew that.
get the pen up, he can’t throw strikes with this ump
The Yankees have scored some true thunder from Down Under with Shane Lindsay. Watch this space Yankees fans! Remember Graeme Lloyd, he’s an Aussie too! Nicholas R.W. Henning – Australian Baseball Author
I think the Yankees liked Lindsay in 2006 but missed out on getting him. I guess they are thinking he has matured somewhat and could be about to enter his best years. 2010 is certainly make or break for him. I agree though… whats the big deal? If he doesnt work out they release him. What if he does work out? Its a stroke of genius.