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Pregame notes: One-more-day kind of thing

Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Notes on May 19, 2010 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

Yankees Red Sox BaseballNick Swisher said he feels better today than he did yesterday, and he felt better yesterday than he did the day before. He acknowledged this afternoon that the initial problem was a little worse than he indicated back in Detroit.

“Just a one-more-day kind of thing,” he said. “It feels good but there’s still something there.”

When Swisher tried to take some dry swings in the late innings last night — he was anticipating a possible pinch hit appearance — he didn’t feel pain in his biceps, but he could tell it wasn’t quite right.

“This biggest scare for everybody is the swing and miss,” he said. “I have a tendency of swinging a little harder than I should, so they just want to make sure everything is cool.”

Swisher remains day-to-day, and he seems to believe he can be available tomorrow, but we’ve seen Joe Girardi move with precaution when it comes to these sort of injuries.

• Joe Girardi clarified a previous statement to say he wasn’t sure whether Jorge Posada went for an MRI or a bone scan. Whatever it is, it’s a precautionary thing because the foot is taking longer than expected to heal. “We expected him to be sore, and we expected him to be a lot better at this point,” Girardi said. “Because he wasn’t last night, we thought an MRI would be a good thing.”

• Posada “has to be” available as the team’s emergency catcher. If something happens to Francisco Cervelli, Girardi said he would go to Posada before Ramiro Pena behind the plate.

• Nick Johnson is here with his arm in a sling.

• Four names listed for batting practice Group 3: Pena, Posada, Swisher and Granderson. That’s either good news for Granderson or bad news for Pena. I think the Yankees utility man probably wants to stay far, far away from those three. There’s been nothing but bad luck there.

• Sergio Mitre won’t be available until tomorrow, so the Yankees will stick with 13 relievers. As for why he sent down Greg Golson to add Mark Melancon, Girardi said, “We felt we needed the pitching more in case we got into some crazy games, which, it was kind of a crazy game last night.”

• Someone asked if Girardi was worried about Mariano Rivera after two shaky outings in three days. “I haven’t been concerned with Mo since 1996,” he said.

Shelley Duncan is back in the big leagues, called up by Cleveland to take the place of injured Grady Sizemore.

UPDATE, 5:24 p.m.: The Rays lineup.

Jason Bartlett SS
Carl Crawford LF
Ben Zobrist RF
Evan Longoria 3B
Carlos Pena 1B
B.J. Upton CF
Hank Blalock DH
John Jaso C
Reid Brignac 2B

 
 

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153 Responses to “Pregame notes: One-more-day kind of thing”

  1. v2 May 19th, 2010 at 5:13 pm

    • Nick Johnson is here with his arm in a sling.

    which arm?

  2. Grey 45 May 19th, 2010 at 5:14 pm

    Girardi just said the long man tonight is Logan and Malancon. “They can throw 100 pitches between the 2 of them”

    LOL!!!!

    If AJ doesn’t have it, this game is going to get ugly.

  3. m May 19th, 2010 at 5:14 pm

    lol, 13 relievers sounds about right. :)

  4. Kevin Youkilis' Halitosis May 19th, 2010 at 5:14 pm

    We’re gonna win tonight

  5. Michelle May 19th, 2010 at 5:15 pm

    Girardi just said he would like to stay away from Joba tonight because he threw 31 pitches last night. Joba is really costing the team, the bullpen is already short enough. It’s his fault that he needs to throw 25+ pitches an inning since he stinks recently. He needs to be more effective with less pitches thrown.

  6. Shame Spencer May 19th, 2010 at 5:15 pm

    Can we all agree that there are no easy solutions to this whole injury thing?

    The people that want Swish batting from the other side are failing to see that this whole thing is a farce and the guy is simply injured. No matter what side he’s gonna be hitting from, he’s still risking making his injury worse.

    The people that want Jorge to be DLed.. I understand your points and it makes perfect logical sense other than this one problem: We really don’t have people to fill that hole. I’d take an injured Posada on the bench over an active Moller. Is that absurd? Probably, but thats my take.

    Either way, we’re pretty much treading water until Granderson is back and can improve our outfield situation. Everyone take the time, regardless of what faith/religion/spirituality you follow, to send some good vibes his way. A setback with him and we could be in real trouble.

  7. Bronx Jeers May 19th, 2010 at 5:15 pm

    “I haven’t been concerned with Mo since 1996,”

    Concerned about what exactly. Mo was awesome in 96′ :smile:

  8. m May 19th, 2010 at 5:15 pm

    Visions of Nick Johnson looking like a poor soldier in the revolutionary war with a bandage wrapped around his head, arm in a sling, and hobbling on one crutch. :cry:

  9. Jay May 19th, 2010 at 5:16 pm

    “Girardi just said he would like to stay away from Joba tonight because he threw 31 pitches last night. Joba is really costing the team,”

    Joba being unavailable HELPS the team.

  10. Mike May 19th, 2010 at 5:17 pm

    Getting NJ back around the all-star break is going to be a huge boost… it’s going to be like making a trade for a .280/.450 OBP player. While other teams have to scrape their farm for Berkman, we get a legit #2 bat right around the All-star break.

  11. Jerkface May 19th, 2010 at 5:17 pm

    We have a million relievers right now.

    :x

  12. Nick in SF on the streets of Larkspur May 19th, 2010 at 5:17 pm

    The psychological advantage of the Rays not knowing if they’ll face Cervelli-Thames-Miranda-Winn 3 or 4 or 5 times cannot be overestimated.

  13. Michelle May 19th, 2010 at 5:19 pm

    “Joba being unavailable HELPS the team.”
    ————–

    Not when your other options are AAA Melancon and Logan

  14. Drain003 May 19th, 2010 at 5:20 pm

    How are our injured hitters going to help us protect 4 run leads in the 8th inning?

    Will Granderson being in CF prevent Joba from throwing 3-2 sliders?

  15. m May 19th, 2010 at 5:20 pm

    No offense, but I don’t think NJ’s back any time soon. Even Girardi portrayed it as a long row to hoe.

  16. Betsy - Hughes rules (Pleading the Fifth) May 19th, 2010 at 5:20 pm

    That’s asinine, I’m sorry. There’s still something there? Just diagnose whatever the heck it is before taking any chances – Swish needs to be put on the DL.

  17. Jerkface May 19th, 2010 at 5:20 pm

    The psychological advantage of the Rays not knowing if they?ll face Cervelli-Thames-Miranda-Winn 3 or 4 or 5 times cannot be overestimated.

    If they anticipate facing Cerveli-Thames-Miranda-Winn 4 or 5 times I think the advantage goes back to the Yankees :x

  18. David May 19th, 2010 at 5:21 pm

    My peeking order of relievers:

    Mo
    Marte
    Robertson
    Park
    Melancon
    Mitre
    Joba
    Logan

  19. Macfan May 19th, 2010 at 5:21 pm

    “# v2 May 19th, 2010 at 5:13 pm

    • Nick Johnson is here with his arm in a sling.

    which arm?”

    +++++++++++++++++++++

    Bwahahahahahaha

    I really thought this guy could stay healthy by just DHing but even that was foolhardy to believe.

    I frankly don’t care what Nick Johnson does he could go catch the last train to Istanbul for all I care.

    He is not reliable enough in his health to be counted on for a ballclub.

  20. Patrick May 19th, 2010 at 5:21 pm

    That’s asinine, I’m sorry. There’s still something there? Just diagnose whatever the heck it is before taking any chances – Swish needs to be put on the DL.

    GOnna need a source on that…

  21. Jerkface May 19th, 2010 at 5:22 pm

    My peeking order of relievers:

    Mo
    Marte
    Robertson
    Park
    Melancon
    Mitre
    Joba
    Logan

    Mo is a saint, no peeking.

  22. Wes May 19th, 2010 at 5:22 pm

    Out of general principle, I wouldn’t use Joba tonight no matter what the circumstance was.

  23. m May 19th, 2010 at 5:22 pm

    Betsy,

    The crazy part is that when you hear biceps in a ball player, you think, “Huh. Sounds kind of bad.”

    Yet eveyone involved plays it off as something minor. Oh, well. As long as it heals, doesn’t matter how long it takes.

  24. Warning Track Power May 19th, 2010 at 5:22 pm

    Joe continues to work around the “day to day” injuries.
    I’m sure he is not having fun juggling the line-up like he has lately, but sooner or later
    the players will be 100%.
    Then Granderson will return and the next thing we know, our team is back to being
    a full-squad.

  25. MTU(aka GBURL) May 19th, 2010 at 5:22 pm

    “My peeking order of relievers:”

    I think you meant “pecking”. ;)

  26. z May 19th, 2010 at 5:23 pm

    Is this a baseball team or a M*A*S*H unit?

  27. Betsy - Hughes rules (Pleading the Fifth) May 19th, 2010 at 5:23 pm

    Mike (Manville,NJ)

    With his hot start this year in AA do you think Romine is the Yankees catcher of the future?

    Klaw (2:20 PM)

    I think the chances have improved. He had a couple of major questions to answer, and the hit tool was one – in a limited sample he’s shown a lot of improvement. Good sign.

  28. Macfan May 19th, 2010 at 5:23 pm

    “# m May 19th, 2010 at 5:15 pm

    Visions of Nick Johnson looking like a poor soldier in the revolutionary war with a bandage wrapped around his head, arm in a sling, and hobbling on one crutch. :cry:

    ++++++++++++++++

    Don’t forget to throw in the eye patch and 1 chipped front tooth for good measure, :)

  29. Uncle Ellsworth May 19th, 2010 at 5:24 pm

    I think Beijing is the proper term these days

  30. Patrick May 19th, 2010 at 5:24 pm

    Klaw says something good about a Yankee prospect? How is this possible? I thought he was the antichrist.

    Source:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Devil

  31. Fidel May 19th, 2010 at 5:25 pm

    We are not maximizing our chances of winning with the roster.

    Pena is not better than Russo. Russo is considerably better with the bat and Russo can also play 4 OF positions.

    Winn is not good at anything. He is basically a defensive replacement, except Golson is much better at that too. Anybody over Winn is upgrading the roster.

    Logan on the roster is a detriment as well. Anyone from SWB – Ring, Nova, anyone is better than Logan.

    Soon, Joba will be in that category as well.

    We are giving away free roster spots when we don’t have to. Russo should be up here. Winn should be toast. Logan should be down. Joba needs to get it together or he is nothing more than a mop up man with explosive stuff.

  32. Jerkface May 19th, 2010 at 5:25 pm

    Klaw says something good about a Yankee prospect? How is this possible? I thought he was the antichrist

    he did say that Romine had to answer questions about his hit tool. Which AFAIK was never in question. He has always been one of the top offensive catchers in whatever league he is in.

  33. Macfan May 19th, 2010 at 5:26 pm

    “# Mike May 19th, 2010 at 5:17 pm

    Getting NJ back around the all-star break is going to be a huge boost… it’s going to be like making a trade for a .280/.450 OBP player. While other teams have to scrape their farm for Berkman, we get a legit #2 bat right around the All-star break.”

    +++++++++++++++++++++

    Mike can I have some of that stuff you’re smoking, You actually would hedge your bets on Nick Johnson coming back.

    You’re a brave individual, I said when Cashman signed Nick Johnson, fine he can DH and stay healthy that way. Nope couldn’t even happen then. Fool me once, fool me twice, etc.

    What next Carlos Beltran will be back for the Mets. The two of them can race each other to see who will be back before October baseball.

  34. The Question Is Moot May 19th, 2010 at 5:26 pm

    KLaw jokes?

    Very innovative.

  35. Robe May 19th, 2010 at 5:27 pm

    Romine is one of my favorites so I hope he is right, but I despise Keith Law and cannot take anything he says seriously.

  36. Jerkface May 19th, 2010 at 5:27 pm

    The two things that Winn has over Golson is that he can play LF CF and RF, Golson is limited to CF really and maybe RF. And Winn is better equipped to take a walk.

    I don’t know if you can say that Golson is capable of out hitting Winn, but if I had my choice of wastes of a roster spot, I’d play Golson.

  37. 7789 May 19th, 2010 at 5:27 pm

    Joba had two bad games. He didn’t get much help from the defense either. He would of been out of that mess against the twins if Teix caught that liner.

    He had a 2.16 era with 2 saves before sunday. He had been doing a good job and Robertson has only pitched 9 innings he will be fine too. I’m not really worried about them.

  38. Doreen - GTLU Stuff & Photos May 19th, 2010 at 5:28 pm

    Russo can’t play all the infield positions.

  39. Gold 98 May 19th, 2010 at 5:29 pm

    “Getting NJ back around the all-star break is going to be a huge boost… it’s going to be like making a trade for a .280/.450 OBP player. While other teams have to scrape their farm for Berkman, we get a legit #2 bat right around the All-star break.””

    Hilarious. I hope this isin’t a serious post.

    NJ is done as a Yankee.

  40. Nick in SF in Larkspur May 19th, 2010 at 5:30 pm

    Very well done, Uncle Ellsworth.

  41. Patrick May 19th, 2010 at 5:30 pm

    he did say that Romine had to answer questions about his hit tool.

    Answer questions about his hit tool? Just ask the ladies of Charleston, Tampa and Trenton. Should put that question to rest

  42. Coach6423 May 19th, 2010 at 5:30 pm

    So two nights ago Joba was Joba circa 2007, tonight he is useless, schizophrenic blog…

  43. Fidel May 19th, 2010 at 5:31 pm

    Russo can fill in at SS for a game, I’m sure.

    I mean, we are playing Marcus Thames in left often and he is an atrocious fielder and has cost us numerous runs (and 1 game at least).

    The SS thing should not take away from how much better offensively he is than Pena and the fact he is a valuable guy because he can play the OF and has more experience than Pena there.

  44. Patrick May 19th, 2010 at 5:31 pm

    NJ is done as a Yankee

    Source pls

  45. 7789 May 19th, 2010 at 5:32 pm

    Swisher can still play the field and can bat against leftys. The mets are throwing two leftys over the weekend. Dont think he needs to be put on the dl.

    I am assuming with Posada they are waiting for the MRI results before they do something.

  46. Giambisgoldenthong May 19th, 2010 at 5:32 pm

    Yea Melancon, Park, Mitre and Drob are ahead of Joba. That really makes sense. Wow

  47. hardwired May 19th, 2010 at 5:33 pm

    Semi-interesting stuff about the impact of steroids on pitchers:

    “After controlling for variables such as the month of the season and whether pitchers had Tommy John surgery or were knuckleballers, Addona and Roth found that steroid use increased average fastball velocity by 1.07 mph, and the results were strongly significant. The effect was more powerful for relievers than for starters, and increased with age: 35-year-old relief pitchers who used steroids, for example, boosted their AFV by 1.44 mph. That may not sound like much, but it is: MLB pitchers average 90.2 mph on their fastballs with a standard deviation just below 3 mph, so every extra mph is huge. ”

    from Peter Keating

    http://insider.espn.go.com/ins.....id=5198020

  48. Jerkface May 19th, 2010 at 5:33 pm

    That is the peeking order, Giambi’s Golden Thong. I’d want to peek at D-rob, Mitre, or Park, and even Melancon before I’d sneak a peek at Joba.

    Dudes fat. And has nipple piercings.

  49. Uncle Ellsworth May 19th, 2010 at 5:33 pm

    thanks Nick

  50. Doreen - GTLU Stuff & Photos May 19th, 2010 at 5:35 pm

    Not everyone, Coach642. Not everyone.

    jerkface-

    What besides run does Golson definitely do better than Winn? Because you said Winn was better at a couple of things, but you would choose Golson anyway.

  51. Pat M. May 19th, 2010 at 5:36 pm

    The guy to watch out for is Juan Miranda !!!! He’ll make Nick Johnson’s return meaningless, much like his signing

  52. Rich in NJ May 19th, 2010 at 5:37 pm

    I don’t believe what anyone says about injuries until it’s clear that they are not injured.

    I like Miranda too, Pat.

  53. Trevor May 19th, 2010 at 5:37 pm

    “Dudes fat. And has nipple piercings.”

    Thanks, I now have a bad image in my head.

  54. Patrick May 19th, 2010 at 5:37 pm

    What besides run does Golson definitely do better than Winn? Because you said Winn was better at a couple of things, but you would choose Golson anyway.

    He’s better at getting picked in the first round. Other than that, I have no idea what GOlson has over WInn. I guess more potential at this point in their careers?

  55. Macfan May 19th, 2010 at 5:37 pm

    I think it just shows how schizo relief pitching can be.

    It is truly the worst part of MLB teams

    I mean who out of that pen do we trust right now on form.

    Park
    Robertson
    Marte
    Joba

    Don’t even get me started on Boone Logan, how is he still on the roster is beyond me.

    Even in the limited appearances lefties are hitting .357 off of him, some specialist that is.

    He reminds me of the fodder we used to have like Billy Traber, Chris Hammond, Mike Myers.

    If you have a kid teach them to throw lefty, they can have a job in MLB for sure.

  56. Patrick May 19th, 2010 at 5:37 pm

    CHOP is at the top of my peeking order.

  57. Jerkface May 19th, 2010 at 5:38 pm

    What besides run does Golson definitely do better than Winn? Because you said Winn was better at a couple of things, but you would choose Golson anyway.

    Golson might be able to put balls in play with more authority than Winn. He is much faster. He can play better defense than Winn at other outfield positions. Has a strong arm. Can steal.

    I think Winn is better at drawing walks than Golson, but I don’t necessarily think that Winn will draw a lot of walks. And he can play better D in LF than Golson (Who for some reason hates LF!)

    Its like if I put it this way:
    Winn
    Get a Hit : 1
    Walk: 2
    Defense: 2
    Speed: 2

    Golson:
    Get a hit: 2
    Walk: 0
    Defense: 3
    Speed: 4

    Can’t really put numbers on it, but thats just a generalization. And he is younger, and a developing player so I’d rather give him time than Winn, who looks cooked.

  58. Rich in NJ May 19th, 2010 at 5:38 pm

    I can understand that Girardi is not concerned about Mo, but to configure an OF alignment based on what Mo isn’t at the moment, is not optimal.

  59. Doreen - GTLU Stuff & Photos May 19th, 2010 at 5:38 pm

    Do we know for sure that Russo will be able to hit major league hitting?

    Look, I’m not against trying him out if they choose to do that; but let’s not pretend that Russo will be “all that” off the bench. He is an unknown. And he can’t play SS.

  60. Jerkface May 19th, 2010 at 5:39 pm

    Basically, I think that Winn is going to get a hit every once in a while, and I think Golson can accomplish that while also bringing more to the table off the bench (pinch run, d replacement)

  61. Nick in SF in Larkspur May 19th, 2010 at 5:39 pm

    I’m not completely seoul’d on Park yet.

    sorry. :oops:

  62. Rich in NJ May 19th, 2010 at 5:40 pm

    I would play Russo in the OF everyday at SWB, and have him in NY to play OF within two weeks.

  63. Rich in NJ May 19th, 2010 at 5:40 pm

    Nick getting ethnic (as a WFAN host might say).

  64. Doreen - GTLU Stuff & Photos May 19th, 2010 at 5:41 pm

    Thanks jerkface. I appreciate the thoughtful answer. :)

  65. Jerkface May 19th, 2010 at 5:41 pm

    Look, I?m not against trying him out if they choose to do that; but let?s not pretend that Russo will be ?all that? off the bench. He is an unknown. And he can?t play SS.

    Well we know Pena can’t hit major league pitching, so really he is here just to backup the defensive spots, but he is playing almost every day.

    Russo has a better swing than Pena. Its not a stretch to imagine he could outhit him.

  66. Jerkface May 19th, 2010 at 5:41 pm

    I?m not completely seoul?d on Park yet.

    sorry.

    Much like kimchee, this was in bad taste

  67. Trevor May 19th, 2010 at 5:41 pm

    “Do we know for sure that Russo will be able to hit major league hitting?”

    You can ask that about any minor league player.

  68. The Question Is Moot May 19th, 2010 at 5:41 pm

    Did someone before actually say they’d rather have Tony Womack than Randy Winn?

    Not funny.

  69. Joe May 19th, 2010 at 5:42 pm

    “The guy to watch out for is Juan Miranda !!!! He’ll make Nick Johnson’s return meaningless, much like his signing”

    Agree. Miranda will save Cashman’s bacon for signing that stiff Nick Johnson

  70. Tom in N.J. May 19th, 2010 at 5:42 pm

    Adrian Beltre has to lead the bangkok order, right?

  71. Nick in SF in Larkspur May 19th, 2010 at 5:43 pm

    kimchee? I am not familiar with that reference.

  72. Doreen - GTLU Stuff & Photos May 19th, 2010 at 5:43 pm

    Rich in NJ -

    Within 2 weeks, they could have both Swisher and Granderson back, no?

    And then Pena is fine as the utility infielder.

  73. Outlawz May 19th, 2010 at 5:43 pm

    Well, considering Pena isin’t good at hitting ML pitching, Russo can’t be worse, can he?

  74. m May 19th, 2010 at 5:43 pm

    All in favor of switching out Golson & Russo for Winn & Thames raise your hand. ;)

  75. Jerkface May 19th, 2010 at 5:43 pm

    Kimchi :x

  76. Mr. May May 19th, 2010 at 5:44 pm

    It’s not like Gardner is a known quantity either.

    He is on a hot streak now, but we need to see if he can keep it up.

  77. Macfan May 19th, 2010 at 5:44 pm

    “Basically, I think that Winn is going to get a hit every once in a while, and I think Golson can accomplish that while also bringing more to the table off the bench (pinch run, d replacement)”

    ++++++++++++++++++++++++

    I think what we see from Randy Winn is what you get, honestly outside of that HR against Baltimore, can we recall anything he has done at the plate.

    I would have had 0 issues of this guy was riding the pine as he was early in the season and we never heard about him.

    Having to watch him every SINGLE day is sheer torture.

    Last night when that ball was hit by Hermida I’m like this will be close, the camera then shows the frame of Left Field and Winn was nowhere in the picture.

    I just shook my head, even Thames was running off the field thinking it was an out.

    Curtis Granderson returning to the lineup every day cannot happen soon enough for me.

  78. Rich in NJ May 19th, 2010 at 5:44 pm

    Doreen

    As we have just seen over the last few weeks, unexpected contingencies occur without warning all the time, so why not have your best 25 man on the roster at all times? Why is “fine” enough?

  79. Jerkface May 19th, 2010 at 5:44 pm

    All in favor of switching out Golson & Russo for Winn & Thames raise your hand.

    Thames stays, he won’t hurt the team at DH or pinch hitting. Golson & Russo for Winn & Pena I’m down for .

  80. Erica - always OPPC - Sesame Street Mafia and GTLU supporter May 19th, 2010 at 5:45 pm

    Erica is Awesome

    Source: http://www.ericaisawesome.com

  81. Tom May 19th, 2010 at 5:45 pm

    m,

    We’re fine with Thames, as long as he doesn’t see the field and Miranda is the DH against lefties.

    It is Winn that we want to run out of town with pitchforks.

  82. Rich in NJ May 19th, 2010 at 5:45 pm

    I don’t think seoul’d was in bad taste, it’s just a bad pun.

  83. Patrick May 19th, 2010 at 5:46 pm

    Has anyone complained yet that Girardi is rotating the DH tonight?

    If not, consider this the first.

    Girardi *shakes fist*

  84. Alfred May 19th, 2010 at 5:46 pm

    Papelbon is one of the best closers in baseball. Expecting Winn to hit a 97 MPH fastball followed by a split down at the knees is unrealistic. It is unrealistic for any player to do.

  85. Patrick May 19th, 2010 at 5:46 pm

    I don’t think seoul’d was in bad taste, it’s just a bad pun.

    Bad puns are the best puns

  86. m May 19th, 2010 at 5:46 pm

    It could be that Cash wasn’t sold on Miranda, so he hedged by signing Nick Johnson.

    SJ44′d\

  87. Jerkface May 19th, 2010 at 5:47 pm

    Atleast he rotated the DH properly, by keeping Miranda in the lineup.

  88. Patrick May 19th, 2010 at 5:47 pm

    Papelbon is one of the best closers in baseball. Expecting Winn to hit a 97 MPH fastball followed by a split down at the knees is unrealistic. It is unrealistic for any player to do.

    Papelbon has gotten 5 of the last 12 batters out. And he was throwing 92 not 97

    Randy Winn has a huge hitch in his swing, he’ll never catch up to a half-decent fastball unless he times it perfectly

  89. Jerkface May 19th, 2010 at 5:48 pm

    Papelbon is one of the best closers in baseball. Expecting Winn to hit a 97 MPH fastball followed by a split down at the knees is unrealistic. It is unrealistic for any player to do.

    All the yankee regulars seemed to have no problem? And Papelbon blew a 93 mph fastball by Winn. Not 97!

  90. Rich in NJ May 19th, 2010 at 5:49 pm

    Winn should have thrown himself in front of a pitch for the sake of the team.

  91. Ythan May 19th, 2010 at 5:49 pm

    Posada gets hit on the foot and it’s not getting better… sounds like a fracture.

  92. Nick in SF in Larkspur May 19th, 2010 at 5:49 pm

    Tom in NJ, that hurt.

  93. Erica - always OPPC - Sesame Street Mafia and GTLU supporter May 19th, 2010 at 5:49 pm

    Rich in NJ May 19th, 2010 at 5:49 pm
    Winn should have thrown himself in front of a pitch for the sake of the team.

    **********

    If you can’t hit the ball, let the ball hit you :lol:

  94. Jerkface May 19th, 2010 at 5:50 pm

    Winn should have thrown himself in front of a pitch for the sake of the team.


    He slid out of the way of one early in the at bat, I threw my hands up in exasperation. Just let it hit you , Winn :x

  95. MTS May 19th, 2010 at 5:50 pm

    Bronx Jeers says:
    May 19, 2010 at 5:15 pm
    “I haven’t been concerned with Mo since 1996,”

    Concerned about what exactly. Mo was awesome in 96?
    _______________________
    weren’t they trying to make him into a starter in ’96?

  96. Macfan May 19th, 2010 at 5:50 pm

    “# The Question Is Moot May 19th, 2010 at 5:41 pm

    Did someone before actually say they’d rather have Tony Womack than Randy Winn?

    Not funny.”

    +++++++++++++++++++++++

    That is like choosing between Jock Itch and Crotch Rot, both are pretty nasty.

  97. Rich in NJ May 19th, 2010 at 5:50 pm

    “It could be that Cash wasn’t sold on Miranda, so he hedged by signing Nick Johnson.”

    No, I think Cash thought that signing a homegrown player who put up a 122 OPS+ in 133 games was worth the risk.

  98. Tom in N.J. May 19th, 2010 at 5:52 pm

    Nick, unlike your pun, mine was in poor taste….

  99. Patrick May 19th, 2010 at 5:53 pm

    weren’t they trying to make him into a starter in ‘96?

    ’96 was the year that Mo threw an inhuman amount of innings out of the pen.

    107.2 ip in 61 appearances, zero starts.

    10.87 k/9

    probably one of the best years by a reliever ever

  100. Doreen - GTLU Stuff & Photos May 19th, 2010 at 5:54 pm

    Rich in NJ -

    Pena’s role is defense and when he’s in the field, the Yankees lose nothing. If all else is getting back to normal, I don’t care that he’s weak offensively. I’m not willing to switch a known quantity for an unknown quantity.

    Hey, if the Yankees decide to try Russo, and it works out, great. But for what Pena has ever been asked to do, he does his job.

  101. z May 19th, 2010 at 5:54 pm

    The Rays are doing a nice job of mixing in their youth. Brignac and Jaso are no slouches, and will be cost effective when they go into penny-pinching mode next yr.

    If Desmond Jennings pans out, they’ll have even more flexibility moving forward.

    They’ll find it impossible to battle the Yankee payroll after this yr, though.

  102. Bronx Jeers May 19th, 2010 at 5:56 pm

    # MTS May 19th, 2010 at 5:50 pm

    Bronx Jeers says:
    May 19, 2010 at 5:15 pm
    “I haven’t been concerned with Mo since 1996,”

    Concerned about what exactly. Mo was awesome in 96?
    _______________________
    weren’t they trying to make him into a starter in ‘96?
    ———————————————————————————–

    He didn’t start any games in 96′

    In 95 he got 10 starts.

  103. Tom in N.J. May 19th, 2010 at 5:56 pm

    Mo gave up 1 home run in ’96.

  104. Macfan May 19th, 2010 at 5:56 pm

    “# Tom May 19th, 2010 at 5:45 pm

    m,

    We’re fine with Thames, as long as he doesn’t see the field and Miranda is the DH against lefties.

    It is Winn that we want to run out of town with pitchforks.”

    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    That’s been my sentiment all along,

    Thames as a strict DH against lefties primarily, along with Miranda

    Its when Thames has to take the field you cringe.

    Winn meanwhile what is their to say that we haven’t seen already.

    Remember the Detroit game, 8th inning, runner on 3rd, less than 2 outs he couldn’t get the runner in, he popped up just beyond the infield.

    Minnesota game runner on 3rd less than 2 outs, he struck out
    Last night, winning runs on 2nd and 3rd, struck out

    He is not good at the plate. Soon as he gets to two strike he is liable to strike out.

    I noticed he doesn’t do the little things, I don’t expect this guy to hit HR’s but he seems incapable of choking up on his bat, making contact, advancing the runners. Little things to help the team ala David Eckstein.

  105. Bronx Jeers May 19th, 2010 at 5:58 pm

    ‘96 was the year that Mo threw an inhuman amount of innings out of the pen.

    107.2 ip in 61 appearances, zero starts.

    10.87 k/9

    probably one of the best years by a reliever ever

    —————————————————————————

    And 1 very lonely HR allowed

  106. Rich in NJ May 19th, 2010 at 5:58 pm

    Doreen

    But as I said, unexpected events often cause roles to change, so why not have the best roster possible so that we are prepared for anything?

    At some point, even Derek Jeter was an unknown quantity. The point is that he projected to be worth giving a shot (although if Tony Fernandez didn’t get hurt in ST of 1996, he may not have).

    So to go from the specific to the general, we shouldn’t be afraid of the unknown. We should embrace it.

    Granted, Russo won’t be Jeter, but he should be a lot better than Pena.

  107. m May 19th, 2010 at 5:59 pm

    That was a joke about Golson/Russo & the SJ44′d\ was, too.

    But getting back to Pena. Russo can’t play SS (so I’m told), so there’s that.

  108. Erin May 19th, 2010 at 5:59 pm

    JackCurryYES The Yankees just finished 2 games with Red Sox, play next 2 vs Rays and then have 3 vs Mets. Brian Cashman called it “drama week.”

    LOL

  109. Betsy - Hughes rules (pleading the Fifth) May 19th, 2010 at 6:00 pm

    I :) at Nick’s pun

  110. Doreen - GTLU Stuff & Photos May 19th, 2010 at 6:03 pm

    Pat M – are you around? You knew a little something about Randy Winn, didn’t you? I was under the impression that even when Winn was having a down year last season, he was able to have productive outs (sac flies and the like). I didn’t expect him to hit a lot this year, but I was expecting him to be able to do that. That’s what’s been disappointing. Of course, he was the third out last night, so only a hit or a walk would have been acceptable anyway. I thought Cash made a good call getting a solid veteran outfielder who could play all three OF positions and help out in little ways with the bat.

    It hasn’t turned out that way yet, but I’m not ready to join the run him out of town posse.

  111. Dale May 19th, 2010 at 6:03 pm

    It’s safe to say that the overhype and Jobamania gig has run the full gamut.

  112. Bronx Jeers May 19th, 2010 at 6:05 pm

    If Joba could just pitch better, the Yanks might be able to Winnegamo.

  113. Doreen - GTLU Stuff & Photos May 19th, 2010 at 6:06 pm

    Rich in NJ -

    As I said, if the Yankees decide to call up Russo in place of Pena, it may be worth the shot, but I think expectations may be too high for him. You’re right, of course, that you don’t know until you try. But they seem pretty convinced he can’t play SS and that’s a bit of a problem. And you (not you personally) don’t want both Russo AND Pena.

    But I’m not sure Jeter was a total shot in the dark. :)

  114. Bronx Jeers May 19th, 2010 at 6:06 pm

    I thank you in advance for not berating me.

  115. MTU(aka GBURL) May 19th, 2010 at 6:07 pm

    I πne for our full lineup.

    If we don’t ψ it soon.

    How are we gonna keep winning $gamma;’s ? ;)

  116. Rich in NJ May 19th, 2010 at 6:07 pm

    m

    They have too many pitchers. They could actually keep Pena and Russo. Winn can’t be the only viable BUO.

  117. Rich in NJ May 19th, 2010 at 6:07 pm

    Doreen

    It’s not about expectations, it’s about team needs.

    Anyway, see my post to m, they could have both.

  118. Uncle Ellsworth May 19th, 2010 at 6:08 pm

    Umbrage ! Umbrage!

  119. Marcus May 19th, 2010 at 6:11 pm

    Russo is the new Melancon… fans clamor and clamor for him based on minor league numbers but the organization doesn’t believe them.

  120. z May 19th, 2010 at 6:11 pm

    Do you know what this party needs?

    Another round of “Should Cervelli Have Bunted?”

    Am I right?

    **crickets chirping**

  121. MTU(aka GBURL) May 19th, 2010 at 6:12 pm

    This used to be our lineup:

    O

    Now it looks like this :

    http://chronicwanderer.files.w...../glass.jpg :(

  122. m May 19th, 2010 at 6:13 pm

    “They have too many pitchers.”

    That.

  123. Jerkface May 19th, 2010 at 6:15 pm

    Trevor Hoffman might be dead: http://www.brewcrewball.com/20.....n-save-was

  124. Rick May 19th, 2010 at 6:17 pm

    Eduardo Nunez is doing well at AAA. GB-7 would know as much as anybody.

    http://web.minorleaguebaseball.....pid=456488

  125. Danny May 19th, 2010 at 6:18 pm

    I want Randy Lose off my team

  126. Pat M. May 19th, 2010 at 6:20 pm

    Doreen….Yes I did get to watch Randy Winn play about 30 games at least ( Nick in SF most likey saw him more ), and I was fine with his signing as the Hot Stove season was winding down…….What has taken be back is how Randy is having trouble catching up to the high octaine …….I think Cashman will stick with him for awhile longer, maybe July 4th or sa they move into the trade deadline peroid……I think he’ll come around with a couple of good games…….However with Granderson returning soon, Randy is on the bubble…Especially with some good young guys who are showing improvements in AAA

  127. z May 19th, 2010 at 6:22 pm

    It’s hard to remember Hoffman’s days as a power pitcher. He used to be able to bring it.

    Multiple shoulder surgeries, the death knell for power pitchers.

    Amazing that he could re-invent himself and still thrive.

    It’s almost sad to see it come to this.

    We can’t all go out like James Dean, I guess.

  128. m May 19th, 2010 at 6:24 pm

    James Dean! Talk about hot!

  129. Jeremy(Joba needs to go) May 19th, 2010 at 6:24 pm

    Joba should not be in any big situation unless it’s clean up duty.

  130. Jeremy(Joba needs to go) May 19th, 2010 at 6:27 pm

    Yeah I think Hoffman’s days are over. He had a great career and will be in the Hall of Fame.

  131. Doreen - GTLU Stuff & Photos May 19th, 2010 at 6:30 pm

    Thanks, Pat M. Appreciate your take. :)

  132. Erin May 19th, 2010 at 6:31 pm

    BloggingBombers Jeter believes that Casey will be sent packing tonight on Idol. Like everyone else, he’s been predicting the Crystal-Lee finale for weeks.

  133. Also Ran May 19th, 2010 at 6:32 pm

    Would anyone here be for bringing Hoffman in as a setup man?

    He can’t hack it as a closer anymore, but as a 8th inning man, with less pressure on himm in a winning situation for one of the few times in his career… he could thrive here.

    Imagine opposing teams seeing a Joba-Hoffman-MO from the 7th inning on? Teams would know they are screwed if they dont’ score after 6

  134. m May 19th, 2010 at 6:33 pm

    Looking at the standings, the Reds have to be the biggest surprise of the season, with honorable mention to the Friars.

    Anyway, how r is it that there’s 4 teams in one division and 6 in another? :?

  135. Jerkface May 19th, 2010 at 6:34 pm

    Would anyone here be for bringing Hoffman in as a setup man?

    He can’t hack it as a closer anymore, but as a 8th inning man, with less pressure on himm in a winning situation for one of the few times in his career… he could thrive here.

    You didn’t read the article. He is throwing BP. He is done.

  136. The Question Is Moot May 19th, 2010 at 6:38 pm

    You didn’t read the article. He is throwing BP. He is done.

    ————————–

    So he’ll fit right in.

  137. trisha - OPPC member who sees, hears, and knows all. 28 is on its way!!!!! May 19th, 2010 at 6:38 pm

    I’m not convinced that Jorge Posada can stay healthy enough to be the Yankees full-time catcher. I think he really needs to continue sharing the job and also try to get used to DHing so he can do both. I would think that a catcher takes a lot more physical abuse over time than any other player on a team.

    A real test for Cervelli starts now. Last season he had help from different people when Jorge went down and then went Molina went down, and there was no question that his role was extremely temporary. This year with no Molina and nobody backing him up and with Jorge’s role potentially being a little more limited, I think he is going to be viewed and judged in a different light. I know I’m expecting more from him than I did last season.

    *********************

    If this is old news, so be it. Today J. P. Howelll had season-ending surgery on his shoulder.

  138. Billy D May 19th, 2010 at 6:40 pm

    ‘96 was the year that Mo threw an inhuman amount of innings out of the pen”

    Inhuman? Mike Marshall had a 5 year stretch, all in relief, in which he averaged 145 innings per year. Did it well too. 1 Cy Young and 2 other Top 4 finishes over those 5 years.

  139. m May 19th, 2010 at 6:42 pm

    Oh, speaking of setup men & closers who can’t get anyone out…

    Stupid Angels fan producer & mets fan host were talking about mo’s blown save against the twins. mets fan said there’s not many better than mo. Stupid Angels fan dared to utter quietly “Brian Fuentes”. I’m yelling, “R U KIDDING?”

  140. Betsy - Hughes rules (pleading the Fifth) May 19th, 2010 at 6:44 pm

    I think the Jays are big surprise, but I could go back to ST and point to posts where I said I thought they were going to be good, lol

  141. Billy D May 19th, 2010 at 6:45 pm

    “Stupid Angels fan dared to utter quietly “Brian Fuentes””

    Lordy! Good thing he said it quietly. If he said it loudly, his tongue may have snapped off its roller.

  142. z May 19th, 2010 at 6:47 pm

    Stupid Angels fan dared to utter quietly “Brian Fuentes.”

    ———————————–

    He sounds like a real mouth breather.

  143. RayVT May 19th, 2010 at 6:48 pm

    Billy D May 19th, 2010 at 6:40 pm

    Mike Marshall was an animal! His knowledge and training are too advanced for Sabermetrics! LOL! If I were a GM, I’d have him working out with my pitchers.

  144. trisha - OPPC member who sees, hears, and knows all. 28 is on its way!!!!! May 19th, 2010 at 6:49 pm

    Betsy I could be wrong but I thought when you were talking about the Sux and teams they were going to beat up on you mentioned both the Orioles and the Jays as “bad” teams. I know that I didn’t have a lot of forum support when I was trying to say that the Jays were a good team this season. In fact I don’t know if I had any.

  145. SAS May 19th, 2010 at 6:49 pm

    :arrow:

  146. Tom in Fiji May 19th, 2010 at 6:50 pm

    Can’t they just use Nick Johnson for spare parts? At least the parts on NJ that work?

  147. mick May 19th, 2010 at 6:53 pm

    # Betsy – Hughes rules (pleading the Fifth) May 19th, 2010 at 6:44 pm

    I think the Jays are big surprise, but I could go back to ST and point to posts where I said I thought they were going to be good, lol
    =========================
    They were a big surprise last year at this time, wha’ happnd?

  148. Joe from Long Island May 19th, 2010 at 6:53 pm

    Hi all – settling in after work, ready for dinner and a ballgame – a Yankee win, of course.

    My feeling is that these nagging injuries are just that – nagging. The guys will come back, Granderson will come back, they will play to their baseball cards, and then we will see a roll.

    Guys, Randy Winn was a lost cost signing – if Theo did it, he would be proclaimed a genius ;) He will have a little more time to get it together, at least until Curtis comes back, maybe a bit longer. Remember, if you look at backup OFs as a commodity (as GMs do), they are a dime a dozen. (Pat M – I hope you do not take that personally.)

  149. mick May 19th, 2010 at 6:54 pm

    # Erin May 19th, 2010 at 6:31 pm

    BloggingBombers Jeter believes that Casey will be sent packing tonight on Idol. Like everyone else, he’s been predicting the Crystal-Lee finale for weeks.
    =========================================
    Just heard Round Here by Counting Crows today. If Lee does that next week he wins.

  150. Smarter than you May 19th, 2010 at 8:05 pm

    # Tom in Fiji May 19th, 2010 at 6:50 pm

    Can’t they just use Nick Johnson for spare parts? At least the parts on NJ that work?

    ———————————————————————————————————————

    I doubt he could have sex without getting hurt !

  151. Smarter than you May 19th, 2010 at 8:08 pm

    # Joe from Long Island May 19th, 2010 at 6:53 pm

    Hi all – settling in after work, ready for dinner and a ballgame – a Yankee win, of course.

    My feeling is that these nagging injuries are just that – nagging. The guys will come back, Granderson will come back, they will play to their baseball cards, and then we will see a roll.

    Guys, Randy Winn was a lost cost signing – if Theo did it, he would be proclaimed a genius ;) He will have a little more time to get it together, at least until Curtis comes back, maybe a bit longer. Remember, if you look at backup OFs as a commodity (as GMs do), they are a dime a dozen. (Pat M – I hope you do not take that personally.)
    ——————————————————————————————————————–

    You’re right to an extent, but this dime (Winn) of the dozen is turning into a “gross!”

  152. Smarter than you May 19th, 2010 at 8:09 pm

    Did anyone watch Winfree today ? Rather have him right now than Winn !!!!!!!

  153. Rich in NJ May 19th, 2010 at 8:39 pm

    Chipping away.


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