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Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Today in the Journal News on May 19, 2010 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

One day after he played the role of hero, Marcus Thames dropped a fly ball, leading to a pair of unearned runs and a 7-6 Yankees loss against the rival Red Sox. For the second time in three days, Joba Chamberlain and Mariano Rivera combined to blow a late-inning lead.

Jorge Posada sat out the loss because of an odd foot injury, but he hopes to return to the lineup tonight against the Rays. The notebook also has items on Nick Swisher’s sort biceps, Nick Johnson’s wrist surgery, Alfredo Aceves’ bad back and a player move to add a reliever.

 
 

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223 Responses to “Today in The Journal News”

  1. Betsy - Hughes rules (Pleading the Fifth) May 19th, 2010 at 9:28 am

    Ray, I’m sorry Joba had a tough life, but that’s not relevant now. If he can’t handle success and needs failure to spur him on, he will never be a success, with the Yankees or any other team. He’s a professional – he shouldn’t need a babysitter to hold his hand and guide him.

  2. JM May 19th, 2010 at 9:32 am

    Not really concerned about one loss in the grand scheme of things but the bullpen has blown two of the past three games and almost blew Monday’s game if not for the comeback. How big a lead would we need against Tampa Bay in the eighth inning before you’d feel comfortable? 8 runs? 9?

  3. Chip May 19th, 2010 at 9:32 am

    I know that the Yankees are in a tough situation with guys who are too hurt to play but not injured enough to be DL?ed and the pen being a mess, but you can?t go into a game with only one available player on the bench.

    Chad Huffman (or the recently re-signed Justin Christian) should be brought up as an extra outfielder in place of either Boone Logan, David Robertson or Mark Melancon and the club should bring up either Moeller or Pillitere to back up Cervelli and put either Jorge or Swish on the DL.

    If Colin Curtis was healthy the best solution would be to call him up and go with a lineup of:

    Jeter
    Gardner
    Tex
    Alex
    Cano
    Cervelli
    Thames/Miranda
    Winn
    Curtis

    But he’s hurt which means, unfortunately, Marcus Thames is going to have to play the field – but you absolutely need someone who can come in late in games to replace him on defense.

    Also, with Posada, Swisher and Granderson out I don’t think you can afford to give Alex or Jeter or Robbie days at DH and put Ramiro Pena’s non-bat in the lineup.

  4. sunny615 May 19th, 2010 at 9:35 am

    wow – this year is totally the antithesis of last year. Everyone is hurt but we have a gerat record… unlike last year when we were near .500 and everyone was healthy.

  5. Chip May 19th, 2010 at 9:35 am

    and the club should bring up either Moeller or Pillitere to back up Cervelli and put either Jorge or Swish on the DL.

    Obviously when I said that I was going with the assumption that Jorge would be the one put on the DL. If Posada’s able to play tonight (and going forward) the Yankees could DL Swisher and bring back Golson or bring up Winfree as an extra bat – something they will absolutely need heading over to Citi Field where they are going to have to pinch hit for a pitcher.

    That’s another thing – If Swisher isn’t back by the weekend – do you really feel comfortable with the idea of Marcus Thames roaming around in that massive outfield in Queens?

  6. RayVT May 19th, 2010 at 9:36 am

    re-post
    WOW! Folks, it was just one loss! Relax. They will lose more and may even look worse when they do. You are never as good as you look when you win or as bad when you lose.

    Joba is being Joba. He needed Posada. Joba is one of those guys who needs a kick every once in a while, because he has had a very rough life and perhaps has a me against the world attitude because of it. Sometimes, I think he needs to fail to bring out the best in him. Confidence is hard to teach.

    Winn has looked both good and very bad. When he plays every day he is exposed. He wasn’t meant to be the everyday starter in the OF.

    Thames I still like and he has a place on this team because of his bat. So he made an error. I know it should have been caught, but that is why they call them errors. If someone else made an error, we would have been upset, but would have said that they usually make that play. We don’t think that with Thames, so every mistake is amplified.

    There is no way they should DL Posada for 15 days if he can play after 5 days or less. It just doesn’t make sense.

    Let’s see! Yanks are in 2nd place and have had injuries to Park, Ace, Granderson, Posada, Swish, Pettite, & NJ! And the Yankees are usually slow starters. Remember, relax!

    The Yankees won split games with RSox, a desperate team that was in an almost must win game in mid-May. They are on life support, but they are still a good team. As SJ pointed out, a call here or there on a strike & they lose this one too.

  7. ac1 May 19th, 2010 at 9:37 am

    for thames, already not a great fielder, he may have been distracted by cano who was literally right in front of him.

    Also, if the ump at first called right, arod wouldnt have had the error, joba sucked, and why was winn so close in left?

    Also, hurt or not, i would have put posada or swish up against paps. They wouldnt have had to run (in posada’s case), a hit wins it an out loses it.

  8. ac1 May 19th, 2010 at 9:37 am

    wow – this year is totally the antithesis of last year. Everyone is hurt but we have a gerat record… unlike last year when we were near .500 and everyone was healthy.

    ___

    ARod was hurt

  9. Erica - always OPPC - Sesame Street Mafia and GTLU supporter May 19th, 2010 at 9:38 am

    Can someone explain to me how Joba failed to take responsibility last night??

    He said in two threads ago it was his loss for not being able to make better pitches. Do you want him to stand there and cry??? There is no crying in baseball!

  10. upstate kate May 19th, 2010 at 9:40 am

    my guess is we see Swish and Po back in the line up tonight. I think, given the weather, Girardi wanted them to have the extra day off. Altho as fans we hate to lose to the sox, it is more important to beat the Rays, who are ahead of us.

  11. Erin May 19th, 2010 at 9:40 am

    ac1 May 19th, 2010 at 9:37 am
    for thames, already not a great fielder, he may have been distracted by cano who was literally right in front of him.

    *************************
    You’re right- I read something this morning about Thames saying that he took his eye off the ball to see where Robbie was.

  12. RayVT May 19th, 2010 at 9:41 am

    Betsy – Hughes rules (Pleading the Fifth) May 19th, 2010 at 9:28 am

    Hello Betsy!!!
    That kind of missed my point about Joba! I am not making an excuse for him, just an observation. All players (people) need to be coached differently. Carrott or whip type mentality. This is who he is.

  13. ac1 May 19th, 2010 at 9:41 am

    its just one loss. the alarming part is they have blown 3 games in a row. they happened to win on monday, but they still blew a confy lead.

  14. Rico May 19th, 2010 at 9:42 am

    Joba may have a short attention span. He can’t remember the good things he was doing 2-3 weeks ago and has regressed back to the mound presence of a year ago.

  15. Tom in N.J. May 19th, 2010 at 9:42 am

    Erica, Joba should have flagellated himself last night on YES. Only then would we really know that he has taken responsibility for his actions.

  16. Trevor May 19th, 2010 at 9:43 am

    I can’t believe Joba is still throwing 3-2 sliders as if it’s 07. Isn’t it time that he makes an adjustment? Everyone knows what’s coming 3-2 but he throws the slider anyway. That was an awful one to Ortiz that almost went out.

  17. Billy D May 19th, 2010 at 9:43 am

    “How big a lead would we need against Tampa Bay in the eighth inning before you’d feel comfortable? 8 runs? 9?”

    Other thing to consider is the Rays catch everything. They won’t be giftwrapping runs the way Boston (and the Yankees) did the last 2 nights. Both teams should be thanking their lucky stars they got a split of this series. The baseball was putrid.

  18. blake May 19th, 2010 at 9:43 am

    I think Ray made a good point about the Yanks missing Posada’s on field leadership (something greatly overlooked).

    I think if Swisher and Jorge are healthy then they probably win thag game…something that can’t be helped.

  19. Betsy - Hughes rules (Pleading the Fifth) May 19th, 2010 at 9:44 am

    Ray, when we all thought CAno needed Bowa to prod him, I thought that was ridiculous as well. It must be a very exhausting job coaching Joba………

  20. Billy D May 19th, 2010 at 9:45 am

    “Also, hurt or not, i would have put posada or swish up against paps.”

    Agreed. Can’t let Winn hit there.

  21. upstate kate May 19th, 2010 at 9:46 am

    off topic to Erica
    am I correct in thinking you recently purchased a kindle? how do you like it? my son decided to invest in one b/c he discovered he can download textbooks at a lower cost then buying them. He just got it and is enjoying it so far.

  22. ac1 May 19th, 2010 at 9:46 am

    they made a good effort in the 9th though. paps got lucky and gloved that ball off miranda’s bat. if they gets to 2nd, cano scores and ties the game.

  23. MTU (aka GBURL) May 19th, 2010 at 9:46 am

    Just for the record.

    All of the armchair Psychoanalysts need to produce their degrees or just back off on analyzing what is or isn’t going thru Joba’s head.

    No one really knows.

    What matters, and what is relevant IMO is his performance, and that has been inconsistent.

    I wish people would stop trying to parse his every word.

    I hope he can fix himself, be fixed, or just be traded because all the rest is just pure BS.

    And just like with any young player with talent I am still pulling for him to succeed rather than being ready to discard him now that he
    is struggling.

    You want him gone fine. You want him executed by firing squad that’s your choice.

    Mine is to stick with him until I can’t.

    Not everyone is cut out to play for the Yankees.

  24. ac1 May 19th, 2010 at 9:49 am

    Girardi is hoping to replay the game from the moment of the rule infraction.

    ____

    Would this ever happen? No way Selig gives the yankees the chance to replay the second half of this game.

  25. Chip May 19th, 2010 at 9:50 am

    I’m sorry if my ripping of the decision to only have Pena on the bench last night sounds like a second guess – truth be told I was furious about it when I heard that was the move last night I just wasn’t around to post.

    I like Marcus Thames as a DH/PH but I’m sorry – you can’t use him in the field right now. I have a much bigger problem with that than I do with them having Randy Winn hit in that spot at the bottom of the 9th.

  26. Erica - always OPPC - Sesame Street Mafia and GTLU supporter May 19th, 2010 at 9:50 am

    upstate kate May 19th, 2010 at 9:46 am
    off topic to Erica
    am I correct in thinking you recently purchased a kindle? how do you like it? my son decided to invest in one b/c he discovered he can download textbooks at a lower cost then buying them. He just got it and is enjoying it so far.

    ************

    I absolutely love my Kindle. I carry it everywhere with me now because its small enough to fit in my purse and I couldn’t do that with books. Downloading books is quick and easy and I have been usinbg it for a week and haven’t had to recharge yet

    I also purchased the reading light for it and I love it. I have been reading before I go to sleep and the light doesn’t refect badly or hurt my eyes at all light most reading lights do.

  27. Patrick May 19th, 2010 at 9:51 am

    Joba looked great prior to his last two outings. He’ll be fine.

    I don’t get the panic about the bullpen. Does nobody remember what the bullpen was last year early on? Albaladejo, Ramirez, Veras, etc. The Yanks transformed their bullpen last year and they’ll do it again this year, if necessary.

    Melancon is ready to step in and be a big part of the pen. Robertson will be fine. Joba will be fine. Mo is mo. Everyone else’s jobs are up for grabs and the Yanks have no problem bringing guys in and out to see who works.

  28. Patrick from CT May 19th, 2010 at 9:51 am

    Bad Loss last night for sure…
    Let’s hope AJ spins a gem tonight.
    Those Rays need to be taken down a notch or 2…

  29. Tom in N.J. May 19th, 2010 at 9:51 am

    Betsy, why does Hughes get a pass from you for haveing a bad game the night before (he’s 23! He’s going to have bad games!), yet you seem to want Joba to repent for his actions?

    It’s baseball. Pitchers have off games. Thames catches that Pop-up, or Alex makes a good throw on his error, who knows…..

  30. RayVT May 19th, 2010 at 9:51 am

    Last year ARod & Wang were both hurt. Then Bruney (setup guy) got hurt. Marte & Nady got hurt. Gardner, Matsui & Damon all got hurt too.

  31. Bronx Jeers May 19th, 2010 at 9:53 am

    What time is the bullpen intervention?

    A week ago Joba was pitching phenomenal. Now he’s pitching like it’s March 1st. Honestly I feel at this point you gotta have a guy warming up as soon as he puts a man on.

  32. randy l. May 19th, 2010 at 9:56 am

    without looking, am i correct that the yankees attempted one stolen base in two games against a catcher who hasn’t been able to throw all year?

    to me that’s just letting victor matinez and the red sox off the hook.

    attempting stolen bases is something you can control.

    now maybe no one who runs well was on base in a situation that they could run, but in two games i find that unlikely.

    i know it’s possible that if jeter takes off on the first pitch last night with the batter NOT trying to hit the ball to give him a chance to steal second that jeter could be thrown out.

    it’s a probablity game with the odds highly in jeter’s favor. girardi for whatever reason is not stepping on the red sox jugular when he could.

    i have no idea why he doesn’t .

    martinez made a good throw to almost get cano at second when he threw down after a pitch. if he can throw again, the dynamic changes with the red sox. if he can throw again, is it because he’s healthy again or is it better technique ?

    why not probe him and see if he can throw 5-6 times a game. can the arm hold up under pressure?

    we don’t know because girardi didn’t decide to find out.
    one major advantage that the yankees have over the red sox was tossed aside by letting martinez not have to throw.

    if martinez can throw again, the red sox have a catcher and that dramatically increases the red sox odds of being a good team this year. they had no chance when martinez couldn’t throw.

  33. dan l May 19th, 2010 at 9:57 am

    Girardi needs to go!

  34. Billy D May 19th, 2010 at 9:58 am

    “Let’s hope AJ spins a gem tonight.”

    Burnett owns the Rays. 12-4, 2.76 lifetime. Good matchup tonight for the Yankees against Wade Davis. Kid puts a lot of guys on base.

  35. RayVT May 19th, 2010 at 10:02 am

    Betsy – Hughes rules (Pleading the Fifth) May 19th, 2010 at 9:44 am

    LOL! Betsy it is a trying job. These athletes have been pampered all their lives and told how great they are. Some can’t handle failure. An example of this is my HS Pitcher. He never lost a game anywhere all the way from Little League, Pony, Colt, American Legion, Valley League thru Sr year of HS. He later pitched for the Yankees. He didn’t understand failure. When he would throw a pitch that was hit by someone (didn’t happen often LOL) he’d get upset. He had to be coaxed back into reality.

    What I’m trying to say is everyone is different. A great Coach recognizes this. One of the best Managers (Business world) I ever had once said “He was fair, but never equal!” One way doesn’t fit everyone. Posada is the kick Joba needs. (Hughes whom I really like, got his kick last yr from Damon & he only needed 1 kick, some need more.) If the pitch Posada asks for gets hit, then its Posada’s fault. If Cervelli’s pitch gets hit its Joba’s fault. No way do you throw a slider to Ortiz who can’t catch up to a 90 mph fastball. It is all a learning experience.

  36. Jerkface May 19th, 2010 at 10:02 am

    without looking, am i correct that the yankees attempted one stolen base in two games against a catcher who hasn’t been able to throw all year?

    They might have scouted them and realized that Martinez’s times down to second have been approaching passable which takes away the yankees ability to steal with ‘anyone’, and that it is better to let Matsuzaka do all the work for them.

    Secondly, they just haven’t had many chances with speed guys on 1st and a base open ahead of them. Jeter has been DHed so much and doesn’t look great, you want him to steal? A-rod is still coming back from his hip isn’t a sure shot to steal. Pena doesn’t really get on base, and when he did there wasn’t an opportunity.

    Tex has been swinging a lot lately and not giving Gardner a shot. And gardner did steal!

  37. Jay May 19th, 2010 at 10:02 am

    So, I’m assuming we must play the Sox AGAIN over the weekend or next week sometime, probably after our regularly scheduled games for next week (ie. day / night double headers). We’ve seen them more than Toronto. Oh wait, we haven’t played Toronto yet.

  38. Patrick from CT May 19th, 2010 at 10:02 am

    Winn can’t hit and Thames can’t field, that is why they are backups. The Yankees lost last night because they had backups on the field. They need Granderson and Swisher back healthy soon.
    One positive from last night is that Miranda looks like he can fill Nick Johnson’s roster spot as a leftly DH and backup 1B.

  39. Jerkface May 19th, 2010 at 10:04 am

    About Mariano: I wouldn’t worry about Mariano. There comes a time every year , sometimes early, sometimes late, where Mariano loses command/movement/whatever and might blow 1 or 2 games. Then magically he corrects and is lights out again.

    Until he is getting consistently crushed like Trevor Hoffman is, I wouldn’t worry about it. And supposing he DID lose it this year: Guess what? Joba ain’t replacin him. We’d be trading for Heath Bell/Soria in a heart beat.

  40. Jeff in MA May 19th, 2010 at 10:06 am

    (re-post from the last thread)

    [..agreeing with other people on bunting and playing the outfield in for Hermida..]

    [...] One more thing — it sure looked like Thames could have had a play on the Ortiz single to the wall – he just jogged after it as if he expected it to go out.

  41. Dylan May 19th, 2010 at 10:07 am

    I’m still physically ill over that loss last night. It was like the Yankees were trying as hard as possible to lose the game. I have seen high school games that were less sloppy than the game last night. I thought that huge win on Monday night would give the Yankees some momentum, but instead they followed it up with their worst loss of the season. I’m very concerned about this bullpen. Joba and Mo were our only reliable relievers, and now they are giving up runs left and right. Btw, Thames should not be playing RF when the score is close late in games. If Golson is in right, the Yankees win the game. And what in the world was Winn doing a couple feet away from the infield grass. I know Mo give up some broken bat singles, but there is no way he should have been playing that far in. If he is playing in his regular position thats a routine fly ball. It seems like every move Girardi has made as of late has backfired.

  42. Andrew May 19th, 2010 at 10:07 am

    Another thing to consider with the stolen base attempts, it’s possible that Girardi is even more hesitant to take chances on the basepaths right now because the lineup is so short at the bottom. Baserunners become even more valuable than usual when you are missing 2 guys that are extremely talented at getting on base (Swisher & Posada, 3 if you count NJ but he’s been gone for so long that I’m not thinking in those terms) that perhaps offensively, Girardi wanted to maximize his chances for his better hitters (1-5 basically) to come up with men on. Therefore he didn’t value the risk, even if the risk is lower with Martinez behind the plate, of having guys like Winn, Jeter, Gardner etc. attempt a large # of steals when they were on base.

  43. Billy D May 19th, 2010 at 10:07 am

    “if martinez can throw again, the red sox have a catcher and that dramatically increases the red sox odds of being a good team this year. they had no chance when martinez couldn’t throw”

    Think I read he’s been about 25%, right around his career average, since going 0-13 or 14 to start the year. Nothing special, but as you suggest, it probably qualifies as passable.

  44. RayVT May 19th, 2010 at 10:07 am

    randy l. May 19th, 2010 at 9:56 am

    Good point Randy! I agree. I think Pena stole 2b in 1st game against RSox, so Cano’s steal would make it 2. Do you think the Rays would play RSox and only attempt one steal a game? That said, I don’t know what the field conditions were for running last night.

  45. Betsy - Hughes rules (Pleading the Fifth) May 19th, 2010 at 10:08 am

    Patrick, there’s no Phil to step into the pen. As to Melancon, he certainly is going to get his chance, but he’s no lock to do well – I’m going to wait and see with him. I hope he’s up to it because it would be a big help if he is.

  46. ac1 May 19th, 2010 at 10:09 am

    Mo wasnt great, however he did throw strike 3 to mcDonald that was called a ball, and there was the routine fly ball that winn should have been playing back on. Again, we are going to lose 60 – 65 games and this is just one of them. Time to go beat the Rays (who have problems scoring runs).

  47. Jerkface May 19th, 2010 at 10:10 am

    The Yankees are either going to make some trades with the teams out of contention already, or start going to the well.

    We might see guys like Sanchez/Nova/Duff/etc make it to the big leagues before their time. Either coming up early as relievers or eschewing starting for a bit to help the pen.

  48. Betsy - Hughes rules (Pleading the Fifth) May 19th, 2010 at 10:10 am

    Ray, I do understand what you are saying…….and you make some very good points.

  49. Dylan May 19th, 2010 at 10:12 am

    ac1,

    Not to mention A-Rods “error” where Tex’s foot was clearly still on the bag. I think there was also a strike 3 to Pedroia that the ump didn’t call. The officiating has been awful for the past couple seasons. The more I watch, the more I think its time for instant replay.

  50. jennifer May 19th, 2010 at 10:12 am

    Hopefully tonights lineup has Jorge at DH and Swish in right.

  51. MTU (aka GBURL) May 19th, 2010 at 10:14 am

    It uncanny to me how upset many people get over just 1 loss.

    Was it ugly ? Without a doubt.

    Does it mean the Yankees have major insoluable problems that defy
    solution ?

    Holy smoke. It’s May. The Yankees have kept it close in spite of everything. And yet all is lost.

    If we knock off the Rays just watch how the tone changes.

    It’s a 162 game season. A Marathon. It requires adjustments. It will have ups and downs.

    Things will improve even more. There is no reason to think we are witnessing the Titanic in action. ;)

  52. Betsy - Hughes rules (Pleading the Fifth) May 19th, 2010 at 10:15 am

    Tom, you need to point out to me where I even suggested that Joba needed to repent. I have not mentioned ONE word about his post-game reaction…you must be confusing me with someone else.

    If you can’t see that Joba is maddeningly inconsistent and that there may be something up with him, either physically or mentally, that’s fine – we’ll have to agree to disagree.

  53. Betsy - Hughes rules (Pleading the Fifth) May 19th, 2010 at 10:16 am

    MTU, stating the Yankees have bullpen issues is hardly tantamount to panicking; it’s frankly stating the obvious.

  54. William Buckner May 19th, 2010 at 10:16 am

    “Thames can’t field”

    The sad part is, they knew this. He’s only here to DH. But this is what injuries do to a team.

    “Miranda looks like he can fill Nick Johnson’s roster spot”

    Totally agree. As soon as Granderson and Swisher are back, Thames and Miranda make a capable DH platoon.

    The guy I don’t get is Winn. He is 2010 Tony Womack. I’d rather see Golston or Russo. Winn looks old in every aspect of his game and I don’t want to hear the playing time excuse, cause he’s getting that and looked old last year too.

  55. Patrick May 19th, 2010 at 10:16 am

    Guess what? Joba ain’t replacin him. We’d be trading for Heath Bell/Soria in a heart beat.

    BUT he’s teh closer of the future!? He’s born to be a closer, you can just see it in his eyes. When he comes out of the pen he’s spitting flames, you can see the steam blast out of his nostrils. Also his fist pumps play much better out there

  56. Patrick May 19th, 2010 at 10:18 am

    Patrick, there’s no Phil to step into the pen. As to Melancon, he certainly is going to get his chance, but he’s no lock to do well – I’m going to wait and see with him. I hope he’s up to it because it would be a big help if he is.

    1. But we do have Joba. He was really looking good before Sunday’s game, this could be just a rough patch.

    2. Don’t expect Melancon to be as good as Phil or Joba in the pen. He’s good but he’s not Phil Hughes good.

  57. Rick May 19th, 2010 at 10:18 am

    Nick Swisher was clearly missed in last night’s game. He would have put hurt on Beckett and would have caught the ball Thames muffed.

  58. SJ44 May 19th, 2010 at 10:18 am

    The only thing you take from last night is the bullpen is a problem. No spin is going to make it otherwise.

    Aside from Mo, every other guy is inconsistent. Some to the point where you simply can’t use them in close games.

    There is no evidence any of these guys will be “fine”. The very nature of bullpen guys shows they aren’t “fine” from year to year. Its a very voliatile position on a team.

    Unfortunately, there aren’t a lot of options right now. They are going to have to ride this out until a trade market forms.

    In the meantime, if a guy like Melancon can step up and do the job, he secures a spot for the rest of the year in the pen.

    Its pretty clear Girardi isn’t sold on any of the guys he has.

    Meaning, if someone steps up and gets outs, Girardi will have no problem putting that guy in the bullpen rotation.

    Hopefully, Melancon takes advantage of this chance.

  59. Jerkface May 19th, 2010 at 10:19 am

    Targets: Soria (though they should probably make him start lol), Farnsworth ( :x ), Chris Sampson, Rafael Perez (having a bad year tho), Octavio Dotel (same), David Aardsama, Aaron Heilman, Billy Wagner (but he wants to get his saves milestone), Takashi Saito.

    As more teams drop out other guys might become available.

  60. LGY May 19th, 2010 at 10:19 am

    Declaring Joba as the “8th inning guy” looks rather silly now by Girardi.

    Park needs to step up now and be the guy he was for the Phillies last year.

    Can’t trust a guy like Joba in the 8th inning, because like I said last night, Joba is like a box of chocolates, you never know what you’re gonna get.

  61. Mark in Tampa May 19th, 2010 at 10:19 am

    Re: Yankee protest

    It is very unlikely that the protest will have any effect. Protests will only result in a replay if the rules were misinterpeted. They will not uphold the protest, because you can’t prove/disprove an injury. The only leg to stand on would be that the move to the pen was made before any injury concerns were raised. However, in the rule book, there is no penalty for this. So, to replay the game from that point, Delcarmen would come in, and b/c the game is starting from that point, would still have unlimited pitches to get ready. So there would be no negation of any advantage gained. Not to mention the logistical nightmare.

    In the famous Pine Tar game, the Royals protest was upheld. However, it was upheld because oour buddy Tim McClelland made his own rules. The rule only says that the batter shall not have pine tar any further than 18″ up the bat. It does not provide for the batter to be called out for using such a bat. Yet, Timmy called Brett out incorrectly. So, they restored the HR and played from there.

  62. sunny615 May 19th, 2010 at 10:19 am

    Taking things one step further ? lets address why this team gave up 5 runs in the past two games?
    1 ? bullpen stinks right now.
    2 ? Thames/Winn/Miranda/Golson/insert AAA OF here is in the lineup on a regular basis.

    on point 1:
    Barring some Cashman miracle ? Heath Bell for Winn ? no one is giving up on the season in mid May so getting decent relievers from other teams is pretty much out. And those teams that are pretty guaranteed out ? (KC, Baltimore) have craptastic bullpens anyway. So that leaves for the time being the hope that DRob finds his 2009 self, Park is totally healed and also returns to his 09 self (WS that is), Rivera and Joba find their mojo again (more Joba than Mo), Marte somehow improves, and Boone gets sent to Poland.

    on point 2:
    Again, no one is going to be giving up Gold Glove cheap outfielders in mid May. And I?m pretty sure no one here wants Dye (who?s been sitting on his behind for the last 6 months) or Burrell on this team. Off the top of my head there aren?t any other viable free agents out there so again ? that leaves AAA : Golson, Colin Curtis, Reid Gorecki, and Chad Huffman. Not exactly All-Stars, but given what we?ve seen, all of them are better than Winn right now and are defensive upgrades to Thames by a W I D E margin.

    That aside ? I?m still trying to find the upside that the bandaged, patch work Yankee team almost plastered the Sox twice. If only there were 7 innings in a game?

  63. Patrick from CT May 19th, 2010 at 10:19 am

    The Yanks made 3-4 bad plays in the field, Mo and Joba didn’t pitch well, and the Yankees still had a chances to win the game in the bottom of the 9th. They stunk last night; a team loss in so many ways.
    The Sox are not that good right now but the Rays are. The Yankees need to play a lot better to win these next 2.
    I’m looking for AJ to dominate and Jeter to lead the O with a 3 or 4 hit night!

  64. Trevor May 19th, 2010 at 10:19 am

    Evan needs to calm down. No one listening cares.

  65. William Buckner May 19th, 2010 at 10:21 am

    “It uncanny to me how upset many people get over just 1 loss.

    Was it ugly ? Without a doubt.”

    MTU,

    I think it’s more than the loss, it’s the last three games were ugly. The pen is a tire fire. Due to injuries the lineup, defense, and bench are scary.

    God bless the rotation, cause they’ve been great. I’m confident that once Granderson, Posada, and Swish are healthy it will help a lot. Especially Swisher and Posada, they’re killing the depth cause they are active but unusable.

  66. Dylan May 19th, 2010 at 10:22 am

    The problem with Joba is that once something goes wrong, he completely loses it. He starts trying to be too precise and then he gets behind in counts and is forced to either walk the guy, or give the batter something easy to hit. Hughes had the same problem in the past but he was able to fix it. Hopefully Joba can too. Btw, has anyone else noticed that he is starting to look more and more like Roger Clemens? Maybe its just me lol.

  67. Mark in Tampa May 19th, 2010 at 10:24 am

    “Time to go beat the Rays (who have problems scoring runs).”

    Problem is, the runs that the Rays have scored lately have come in the late innings against bad bullpens. Let’s hope AJ can go 9 tonight.

  68. MTU (aka GBURL) May 19th, 2010 at 10:24 am

    Betsy-

    No one singled you out as panicking.

    And I am not trying to minimize the importance of having a reliable BP.

    What I am saying is that it is still fairly early in the season and their is time to find solutions to the problem.

    I very much doubt that the yankees seeing this hole are going to sit idly by and not address the problem.

    Either they will find some in-house solutions, or they will make a trade at some point.

    The world is not coming to an end because our BP is not solidified in May.

    If it were later in the season I would be a lot more concerned.

    Instead there is time to fix it. The sooner the better of course.

  69. Billy D May 19th, 2010 at 10:25 am

    Don’t really see the Royals moving Soria unless someone is willing to A) pony up some nice prospects or B) eating a contract sandwich. Soria is pretty short money right now thru 2012.

  70. Jerkface May 19th, 2010 at 10:25 am

    Problem with the bullpen right now:

    1 Everyone is missing location

    Joba, CHP, Robertson, Logan, and especially Marte!

    2 Everyones stuff is diminished (except logan but he sucks anyways)

    Joba has had a few games with his old stuff, but for the most part he is pitching with 2009 quality junk. It should be good enough to be a major league reliever, he needs to trust it. CHP hasn’t got a groove yet, but he hasn’t had many outings. Robertson doesn’t have the same fastball, and his curve doesn’t look great yet. Marte has no idea where anything is going out of his hand and he has lost velocity and movement from all of his pitches (RAB had a good write up on this).

    3 No regular work!

    Our starters tend to go deep, and our offense can mash, so we’re talking like hardly any save situations and using 2 maybe 3 guys. Hopefully as the off days come less, there will be more even amount of chances for everyone to get in a groove. Other than Logan the rest of our BP is pretty ‘top quality’, so its not like we’d be pitching garbage relievers.

    4 Logan is still a part of the pen

    For some reason.

    5 Mariano had a hiccup

    And it happened at the worst time. Perfect storm of suck for the yankees, they’ll get through it.

  71. Billy D May 19th, 2010 at 10:26 am

    “The problem with Joba is that once something goes wrong, he completely loses it.”

    Let’s call this “The Beckett Sydrome” :)

  72. Mark in Tampa May 19th, 2010 at 10:26 am

    “Btw, has anyone else noticed that he is starting to look more and more like Roger Clemens?”

    Too bad it’s the ’99/’07 version of Clemens, and not the ’86, ’97, or ’98 versions. :)

  73. Jerkface May 19th, 2010 at 10:26 am

    A) pony up some nice prospects or B) eating a contract sandwich. Soria is pretty short money right now thru 2012.

    I’d take Guillen to go with Soria and use him at DH. And I would give up good prospects for Soria, as he would be our closer of the future. Duh!

  74. SJ44 May 19th, 2010 at 10:26 am

    Its not one loss. The last three nights, against good teams, the bullpen was the worst in baseball.

    There is no other way to say it.

    If this team wants to make the playoffs, they can’t afford to have 6 of the 7 guys in the pen be completely unreliable in games against good teams.

    Its a problem. Unlike the lineup issues, which will take care of themselves when Posada, Swisher and Granderson are back, there are no easy answers for the bullpen issues right now.

    When you have this many guys completely unreliable, it makes it tough on the manager. I doubt he has confidence in anybody but Mo out there right now. He never knows what to get from these guys on a day to day basis. How can he have confidence in them?

    Unfortunately, they are just going to have to ride it out since nobody is riding in on a white horse to save the bullpen.

    They are going to have to mix, match and pray every night until Ace gets back and another 1 or 2 guys show they are capable of getting major league hitters out on a consistent basis in close games.

  75. YANKEEFAN May 19th, 2010 at 10:27 am

    HERE’S A THOUGHT FOR THE YANKEE BRASS — THEY PLAYED IN TERRIBLE CONDITIONS LAST NIGHT. MAYBE 20,000 PEOPLE SHOWED UP. WHY DON’T THEY THANK THE FANS AND GIVE THEM SOMETHING? A FREE SODA, TICKET, ANYTHING? THAT GAME SHOULD HAVE BEEN CALLED OFF. NO REASON TO PLAY IT.

  76. RayVT May 19th, 2010 at 10:28 am

    I know everyone says we are short handed with everyday players out, but also short handed with the Pitchers. Pettite’s injury caused the Yanks to use the lone long man Mitre and starter Vasquez which prevented both from being available. Ace missing & Park just coming back and pitching the night before left the Yanks thin in BP.

  77. Jerkface May 19th, 2010 at 10:28 am

    Joba has had 5 appearances where he has given up a run in relief. Unfortunately, 3 out of the 5 were 2 runs or more. Common factor in those games? No strike outs (2 total), a lot of hits.

    Things Joba shouldn’t be doing out of the bullpen with his stuff

    1 not striking people out
    2 giving up 1 hit per inning pitched

  78. SJ44 May 19th, 2010 at 10:29 am

    If Soria ever hit the trade market, that’s a guy you pony up good prospects to get and not get caught up with the “we are draining the farm” nonsense.

  79. MTU (aka GBURL) May 19th, 2010 at 10:29 am

    SJ-

    I am confident a solution(s) will be found. :)

  80. Bronx Jeers May 19th, 2010 at 10:29 am

    There is no reason to think we are witnessing the Titanic in action. ;)

    ———————————————————————————————————–

    But if we are, I have CC lined up to play The Unsinkable Molly Brown.

    Various members of the pen can play deckchairs.

    Michael Kay is the guy that dresses up as a woman in order to get on a lifeboat.

  81. Billy D May 19th, 2010 at 10:31 am

    Jerkface:

    Fair enough. What do yo give ‘em? Catcher’s been a black hole for them. You send Romine and something else a little less than Romine? Guillen would be OK I suppose, but he’s supposedly less than a great clubhouse guy. I’m not a big chemistry guy, but maybe it’s a concern to the club.

  82. MTU (aka GBURL) May 19th, 2010 at 10:31 am

    “Michael Kay is the guy that dresses up as a woman in order to get on a lifeboat.”

    I’d rather save one of the pets. Much more value. :)

  83. RayVT May 19th, 2010 at 10:31 am

    Betsy – Hughes rules (Pleading the Fifth) May 19th, 2010 at 10:10 am

    I like you even when you disagree with me! LOL! And of course when you agree! LOL!

  84. Erica - always OPPC - Sesame Street Mafia and GTLU supporter May 19th, 2010 at 10:32 am

    Soria is on my fantasy team. He gets the saves, but I am unimpressed.

    He usually makes my heart race in each appearance and is never 1-2-3. He always seems to wiggle in and out of trouble

    Lets face it, no one is Mariano Rivera

  85. Wave Your Hat May 19th, 2010 at 10:32 am

    The Yanks need to be more proactive and ruthless in the bullpen. Remember last year? The bullpen from the start of the year wasn’t getting it done, and around this time they brought up a slew of other guys some of whom did work out.

    There are guys pitching pretty well in AAA – Melancon (just called up), Royce Ring, Jason Hirsch, for example. They need to get those guys up here, send down Logan and Robertson. One of those guys may work out, if not, find some other guys, maybe give Albaladejo another look, in the pen just because you didn’t pitch well one year doesn’t mean you won’t pitch well the next.

    The offense is going to be mostly bad (we can keep our fingers crossed for some lucky surprises like Monday night) until Granderson gets back and Jorge and Swisher can play, but the Yanks could do something about the pitching right now.

  86. SJ44 May 19th, 2010 at 10:32 am

    Jerkface,

    Excellent points.

    That’s the problem with Joba and has been for over 2 years.

    He’s pitching DOWN to the level of his skillset.

    With his talent, there is no logical reason for him to be this bad coming out of the bullpen.

    Unfortunately, focus and concentration are real issues for Joba. Some call it being “too comfortable”.

    Either way, he’s now a liability and that shouldn’t be the case given the talent he possesses.

    He is the biggest enigma on the team. I wouldn’t be shocked if management and Girardi are beginning to lose patience with him.

  87. Jerkface May 19th, 2010 at 10:33 am

    Fair enough. What do yo give ?em? Catcher?s been a black hole for them. You send Romine and something else a little less than Romine? Guillen would be OK I suppose, but he?s supposedly less than a great clubhouse guy. I?m not a big chemistry guy, but maybe it?s a concern to the club.

    Depends on what they want. I’d really only trade for Soria if it looked like Mo was losing it.

  88. randy l. May 19th, 2010 at 10:33 am

    “They might have scouted them and realized that Martinez’s times down to second have been approaching passable which takes away the yankees ability to steal with ‘anyone’, and that it is better to let Matsuzaka do all the work for them.”

    jerkface-

    i haven’t been watching red sox games that much , but the stats show martinez is up to 17% in throwing out runners so he’s made a significant improvement.

    when i was a kid, we all boxed ,just like little league. i learned really young( eight years old) to go after weaknesses. willie pep would come and give lessons. we learned to open up a cut and to body punch to wear down an opponent.

    victor martinez may have a weak arm because of injury. it may not be totally mechanical. why not find out? bad sportsmanship to pick on an injury ? i don’t think so.

    even if martinez threw out a few guys , like with body punching , keep doing it to see if you can break what he’s trying to fix.

    if it was just mechanical and martinez is back to throwing out 20% of runners, the yankees are going to have to get better because the red sox have just improved dramatically.

  89. Wave Your Hat May 19th, 2010 at 10:33 am

    Joba pitches great with the bases empty. With runners on he doesn’t seem to pitch so great.

  90. SJ44 May 19th, 2010 at 10:36 am

    Wave,

    Agreed re: the pen. Just create the Scranton Shuttle and run guys up and down until you find a guy or two who can get outs.

    No reason not to do it at this point. The guys they have aren’t doing the job.

    They have rebuilt the pen on the fly the last 2 May’s and they are going to have to do it again this year, IMO.

  91. Jerkface May 19th, 2010 at 10:37 am

    Joba appears to be a guy completely comfortable in his celebrity and who might be unwilling to work harder now that he is ‘established’.

    He will always be a little big because its evidently his body type, but I find it hard to trust anyone in the majors who looks fat and isn’t over 6’5. Broxton can be fat, he is just huge, Joba? His head is like a medicine ball.

  92. MTU (aka GBURL) May 19th, 2010 at 10:37 am

    SJ-

    If the Yankees are losing patience with Joba why not give him the “Halladay” treatment ?

    Give him that one last chance to suceed with the Yankees.

    Perhaps the severe demotion will be just what the Dr. ordered.

    Like “shock therapy”.

  93. Billy D May 19th, 2010 at 10:37 am

    “Lets face it, no one is Mariano Rivera”

    Nope, but in 2008 he did a pretty good Mariano imitation. He’s tailed off a little since, especially in terms of putting guys on base, but he’s still pretty young and he’s still pretty good.

  94. Betsy - Hughes rules (Pleading the Fifth) May 19th, 2010 at 10:37 am

    Patrick, I understand about slumps, but Joba is just very inconsistent even going back to last year.

    I definitely do not expect Melancon to be like Phil last year; not only is he not close to being as good, but that’s just unrealistic. I would just like him to do a solid job; he’s got talent – now show it. The Yankees could really use him now.

  95. MTU (aka GBURL) May 19th, 2010 at 10:40 am

    I know this a bit unorthodox but I would Z-Mac a try out of the BP.

    He is known for throwing a ton of strikes and he has an excellent sinking FB.

    Just a thought.

  96. Andrew May 19th, 2010 at 10:41 am

    I’m sorry, how is now the time to send down Robertson? He is not fully back to 2009 form yet but he has been solid 2 of his last 3 most recent outings and has not given up a run in total in his last 4 outings. He seems trending in the right direction as opposed to Joba who is trending on the downside right now. I understand wanting turnover but it makes more sense to demote Logan for someone like Sanchez, then to send out Robertson.

  97. Bronx Jeers May 19th, 2010 at 10:41 am

    Somebody on that team needs to give Joba a new nickname.

    Call him “Arb-el”

    As in arbitration eligible.

    Isn’t he next off-season? Doesn’t he want to turn that Beamer into a Benz?

  98. Jerkface May 19th, 2010 at 10:42 am

    I would send down Logan for sure right now and bring up Ring, he just had a nice outing in scranton 1.1 IP zeroes and 4 ground balls. 67% strikes

  99. Erin May 19th, 2010 at 10:42 am

    Bronx Jeers May 19th, 2010 at 10:29 am
    There is no reason to think we are witnessing the Titanic in action.

    ????????????????????????????????????

    But if we are, I have CC lined up to play The Unsinkable Molly Brown.

    Various members of the pen can play deckchairs.

    Michael Kay is the guy that dresses up as a woman in order to get on a lifeboat.

    ************************

    :lol:

  100. Patrick May 19th, 2010 at 10:43 am

    I agree that the bullpen is a problem but I see a path towards fixing the problem and therefore I’m not too worried.

    The Yanks had a terrible bullpen last year and dipped into the minors to fix it. I think they can possibly do the same this year, and if none of the options in the minors work out there will be plenty of trade opportunities.

    Joba and Robertson are particularly troubling and frustrating but I think they are two guys that have too much talent to fail. It’s true that bullpens are volatile from year to year but I feel Robertson and Chamberlain are two guys that will mostly buck that rule.

    I think you have to stick with Robertson, Chamberlain and Rivera as a core of the pen. Park still hasn’t proven one way or another that he’s unreliable so he can stay. Melancon deserves a shot. Logan blows, get rid of him. We’re stuck with Marte unfortunately. I think you have to eventually give Sanchez and Nova extended looks.

  101. SJ44 May 19th, 2010 at 10:44 am

    MTU,

    The focus on this team can’t be “fixing Joba”. Its to win a WS.

    Sending him down to A Ball to become a starting pitcher again isn’t “fixing” him because not starting isn’t Joba’s problem.

    They have had more meetings with Joba Chamberlain than maybe every other guy on the team COMBINED the last 2 years. He doesn’t listen. THAT’S his problem.

    At some point, you just have to recognize he is what he is. A talented, inconsistent guy who, at least at this point, lacks the focus, concentration and dedication to get the most out of his enormous gifts.

    I wouldn’t waste any more development time with him.

    At some point, if one guy doesn’t get it, you eliminate him.

    The success of the team is more important than any individual.

  102. Betsy - Hughes rules (Pleading the Fifth) May 19th, 2010 at 10:44 am

    Jerkface, if that’s the problem, then I don’t know what the Yankees do with him. He may need the shock treatment that riding the buses in AAA will bring…….

  103. Jerkface May 19th, 2010 at 10:45 am

    If marte continues to be unreliable I would just DFA him. The Royals DFA’d Juan Cruz, I think we should be allowed to DFA Marte.

    or put him on the 60 day DL every year and activate him for the playoffs.

  104. LGY May 19th, 2010 at 10:46 am

    I am on the train that is losing patience with the “loyalty” to the bullpen guys this year.

    The point of having cheap and young guys out there is so that if they are not getting the job done, you don’t feel any type of obligation to stick with them.

    Logan, Robertson, and maybe even Joba should be sent down.

    Call other guys up and see what you got.

  105. Billy D May 19th, 2010 at 10:47 am

    “I’m sorry, how is now the time to send down Robertson? He is not fully back to 2009 form yet but he has been solid 2 of his last 3 most recent outings and has not given up a run in total in his last 4 outings”

    He’s allowed 9 baserunners in 4 1/3 innings over his last 4 appearances. He’s been more lucky than good.

  106. SJ44 May 19th, 2010 at 10:47 am

    Patrick,

    That’s a good base for another few weeks. However, if Robertson and Chamberlain continue to pitch like they have, you can’t keep them in featured roles in the bullpen.

    Once you get to June, tryout season has to end. Guys that can’t get outs can’t take up space on the roster.

    Its a big problem for the Yankees because going into the season, the bullpen looked like the strongest spot on the team.

    Now, its the biggest liability with no easy or quick fixes.

  107. Jerkface May 19th, 2010 at 10:47 am

    if the 2009 yankees did this well while working things out in May last year, the yankees would have won 120 games :x

    When this team really gets going in the second half they are going to distance themselves from the rest of the pack.

  108. Betsy - Hughes rules (Pleading the Fifth) May 19th, 2010 at 10:47 am

    Patrick, I think I agree with you for the most part.

    Dump Logan. Bring up Hirsch and/or Nova (I know he’s a starter, but as Cash has said, the needs of the many (the big team) outweight the needs of a few (Nova developing as a starter). I do think Robertson is a good pitcher who will eventually be fine, but Joba is starting to almost not be worth the trouble. If what SJ said is true, then what else can the Yankees do? He would not be the first pitcher to fail to live up to his ability……….I’m not giving up on him yet, but this has been going on now for a year – it’s not a small sample size anymore.

  109. bud s. May 19th, 2010 at 10:49 am

    I hope the yanks play boston again tonight.

  110. Rick May 19th, 2010 at 10:49 am

    To DFA Randy Winn would not be a huge financial hit.

    1 year/$1.1M (2010)

    signed by NY Yankees as a free agent 2/8/10
    performance bonuses: $0.1M each for 50, 75, 100 PAs against left-handed pitchers; $0.15M each for 125, 150, 175, 200 PAs against left-handed pitchers.

    Greg Golson or Kevin Russo could replace Winn.

  111. Jerkface May 19th, 2010 at 10:50 am

    Can’t DFA winn until Russo proves he can play OF in the minors & Granderson/Swish get healthy.

    If I were choosing outfielders who can field but not hit, I’d go with Golson over Winn.

  112. Patrick May 19th, 2010 at 10:51 am

    SJ44,

    You’re right, you can’t keep letting guys pitch that can’t get the job done. But I think the coaches (and myself) think that those two guys in particular will get better given time. But it’s a fine line to walk. You have to keep pitching them to let them work out their problems but there comes a point when they just aren’t getting it done. I think the Yanks were close to sending Robertson down and giving up but he had a good outing this weekend.

    Joba is a different story. He’s inconsistent but I think he’s made improvements this year. His stuff is better, he’s put together strings of good outings. I can’t judge his stuff last night due to the weather. Beckett was throwing 92, CC was throwing 92 – the weather was clearly a factor.

    It’s time Melancon gets a legitimate shot to make an impact. The next step is sending Logan down and bringing Sanchez or Nova back up. Maybe Ring.

  113. Jerkface May 19th, 2010 at 10:52 am

    And you know, Winn HAS hit in May. he has put up a very respectable line for the month, about a .700 OPS. But those stats realy don’t tell the whole story with Winn, which is that he looks very awkward at the plate, almost nervous or scared, hoping that when he swings he can get a piece.

    Amateur opinion, but 2009 is looking like it was the beginning of the end for him.

  114. Billy D May 19th, 2010 at 10:53 am

    “The Yanks had a terrible bullpen last year and dipped into the minors to fix it.”

    Did they? Aside from Robertson, who from the minors made a significant contribution to the team’s success? The fix was Phil Hughes and there is no Phil Hughes at SWB or Trenton this year. Not sure it’s as simple as “we’ll just go to the minors for help”

  115. Andrew May 19th, 2010 at 10:54 am

    The easiest fix is guys actually performing to their capabilities. Park has been gone for a month and went 2 innings in his first live action back, 1 inning good 1 inning terrible. Yet he has had no chance to really establish a rhythm yet considering how little he’s pitched thus far, so I think he is capable of stepping up and pitching better and being a solution in the pen.

    Similarly, Robertson has looked better of late and is capable of getting on a roll where he is consistently in the good parts of the strike zone with his fastball which makes him the kind of shutdown reliever he was last year. I don’t buy that his stuff is somehow off from last year, it’s all been location with him so far this year.

    Chamberlain has been maddeningly inconsistent, and it seems mechanical. I thought the bullpen was supposed to correct his mechanical issues? Still though I don’t think there’s any chance he gets sent down. His responsibilities will get lower leverage in the near term, maybe, but they are going to ride it out with him, IMO

  116. Tom in N.J. May 19th, 2010 at 10:56 am

    In the span of 5 days Joba went from people saying he’s “back” to people saying he needs to be sent down?

  117. THE TRUTH May 19th, 2010 at 10:57 am

    What is the deal with Ian Nova? Any chance he can step in later in the season for a late inning bullpen role? I admittedly don’t know much about the guy.

  118. Jerkface May 19th, 2010 at 10:57 am

    They really do need to get rid of Logan. He can work on getting command of his newly found 95+ mph fastball in AAA. Carrying a lefty in the pen because he is a lefty over a guy who is fair vs both sides is stupid when they are so ineffective.

    You bring in Logan because he is lefthanded, and the batter at the plate is a lefty and has a platoon split. However, no lefty batter hits NOTHING vs lefties. They always bat like .200, .240, .260, something worse than their normal average.

    You know where they get those hits from? Guys like Logan. Lefties who suck.

    You have your lefties that get out everyone (Wagner, Marte in his prime, Thornton)

    Your lefties that really crush lefties (Shouse, Marte in the playoffs, Okajima)

    And then your lefties that suck, so left handed hitters are going to do well and righties will crush them (Boone Logan)

    Girardi liked having 2 lefties in the pen, but at this point Logan is so ineffective it negates the benefit of carrying 2 of them.

  119. THE TRUTH May 19th, 2010 at 10:58 am

    Robertson is over throwing his fastball. Once he regains fastball command he will be fine- but that is easier said then done.

  120. Wave Your Hat May 19th, 2010 at 10:58 am

    Winn has a role as long as you hide him from LHP. Against righties he can help, although it looked like Papelbon overpowerd him last night. But not all pitchers are Jonathon Papelbon.

    The Yanks have to forget the “set-up” guy for now. We don’t have one. It’s a mistake to give Joba that much rope. The Yanks need to find another hot arm or two, maybe Melancon, mayber Ring, maybe someone else, and just go with the hot arm, and be quick with the hook in the 8th if Joba or whoever gets in trouble.

    If the Yanks do that, the pen will sort itself out.

  121. Patrick May 19th, 2010 at 10:59 am

    Girardi liked having 2 lefties in the pen, but at this point Logan is so ineffective it negates the benefit of carrying 2 of them.

    Girardi is also a child so…

  122. Erica - always OPPC - Sesame Street Mafia and GTLU supporter May 19th, 2010 at 11:00 am

    Tom in N.J. May 19th, 2010 at 10:56 am
    In the span of 5 days Joba went from people saying he?s ?back? to people saying he needs to be sent down?
    ***********

    No one is that reactionary :roll:

  123. THE TRUTH May 19th, 2010 at 11:00 am

    Joba will be fine, that was a weird inning yesterday.

  124. Jerkface May 19th, 2010 at 11:01 am

    The bullpen last year was

    Mo
    Coke
    Hughes
    Aceves
    Robertson
    Gaudin
    Mitre

    Coke, Robertson, Aceves, Hughes, Mitre were from the minors

    They replaced Bruney, Albaladejo, Edwar, Tomko, Veras

  125. Trevor May 19th, 2010 at 11:01 am

    Scranton Yankees are on MLB network.

  126. upstate kate May 19th, 2010 at 11:01 am

    so Jerkface, let me get this straight…you don’t like Logan?

  127. Erin May 19th, 2010 at 11:02 am

    Tom in N.J. May 19th, 2010 at 10:56 am
    In the span of 5 days Joba went from people saying he?s ?back? to people saying he needs to be sent down?

    **************************
    That pretty much sums it up. ;)

  128. JM May 19th, 2010 at 11:02 am

    I don’t know if Joba will be fine, but you can’t send him down. They need him and they need to try to fix him. But although I wanted to believe that he could consistently produce good outings like the ones last week, it seems he is still the same old Joba that he’s been for the past two years. Just like someone said, you cross your fingers and close your eyes when he comes in, because you never know what you’re going to get with him.

  129. Wave Your Hat May 19th, 2010 at 11:02 am

    Robertson is not pitching that well right now. In his last outing, he walked 2 guys in 2 innings and seemed like he was behind in the count all the time. In the outing before that, a walk and a hit in a third of an inning. The outing before that, a walk and 2 hits in 1.2 innings.

    Robertson is a good reliever, but he would benefit from working on his control issues out of the limelight, like in Scranton.

  130. Betsy - Hughes rules (Pleading the Fifth) May 19th, 2010 at 11:02 am

    Not everyone said Joba was back after those two outings……and saying he’s inconsistent is hardly overreacting. He’s been this way since last year………

  131. Betsy - Hughes rules (Pleading the Fifth) May 19th, 2010 at 11:03 am

    Kate, who could possibly like Logan? He’s awful……….

  132. THE TRUTH May 19th, 2010 at 11:04 am

    Aceves role as a superb swing man is in serious jeopardy by this back injury, IMO. I am a big fan but backs are tricky things. Definitely worried about how he will respond.

  133. Jerkface May 19th, 2010 at 11:04 am

    I like Logan’s potential down the line, but he hasn’t shown any control whatsoever out on the mound. We have a guy in the minors *right now* who could be good. DFA Albaladejo, put Ring on the 40 man and see what he has got. Or put NJ on the 60-day

  134. Erica - always OPPC - Sesame Street Mafia and GTLU supporter May 19th, 2010 at 11:05 am

    Betsy – Hughes rules (Pleading the Fifth) May 19th, 2010 at 11:03 am
    Kate, who could possibly like Logan? He?s awful???.
    ************

    I am sure someone out there likes him.

    His mom and dad are good possibilities

    However, someone saw enough good in him to put him on the Yankees 25-man roster

  135. upstate kate May 19th, 2010 at 11:06 am

    Betsy, I am just teasing, not disagreeing…Jerkface has had a negative comment about Logan in almost every post today :)

  136. pat May 19th, 2010 at 11:06 am

    “Kate, who could possibly like Logan? He’s awful……….”

    People here have liked worse.

  137. THE TRUTH May 19th, 2010 at 11:06 am

    DAM…. Jose Tabata playing CF… remember that name?????

  138. Jerkface May 19th, 2010 at 11:07 am

    We need to see what that Shane Lindsay guy has got, because our only pitchers on the 40 that are BP candidates right now are:

    Albie
    Wilkins De La Rosa
    Shane Lindsay
    Melancon
    Nova
    Romulo

    That is it. Those are the current reinforcements barring some 40 man moves. Eduardo Nunez, Kevin Russo, Reegie Corona, Chad Huffman, and Greg Golson are the position players we can get without making a move.

  139. m May 19th, 2010 at 11:07 am

    Is there anyone who does like Logan? :P

    Seriously, Logan has a hard time finding the plate. Not much to like there. I’m sure he’s a great kid, though.

    Joba pitches better with a chip on his shoulder. Find ways to challenge his manhood or something. Perhaps they went with the slider at 3-2 because …. nope, can’t come up with one there.

    Jerkface,

    RAB used your Thames line in their recap. Disappointed, though, that you posted it in their comments section too. Turncoat. :mad:

  140. Trevor May 19th, 2010 at 11:09 am

    Get to see Montero behind the plate.

  141. Jerkface May 19th, 2010 at 11:09 am

    Betsy, I am just teasing, not disagreeing?Jerkface has had a negative comment about Logan in almost every post today

    His continued existence on the 25 man roster perplexes me. It is obvious that he is at best inefficient and at worst a complete disaster whenever he is out there. He has never been great in the majors, but he hasn’t improved. He may have got worse! The yankees found some extra MPH on his arm with a mechanical change (supposedly) but it hasn’t done much except allow him to throw pitches out of the strike zone even faster.

    Its not even difficult to send him down. He has options! We have guys able to replace him! Omg get him off the 25 man!! :x

  142. Wave Your Hat May 19th, 2010 at 11:09 am

    This is the problem with claiming a guy like Shane Lindsay, a team could be tempted to actually let him pitch.

  143. austinmac May 19th, 2010 at 11:10 am

    Hughes has learned to trust his fastball. A 94-95 mph well located fastball is very difficult to hit. Joba, with two strikes, rarely throws his and batters, who also know that, can lay off his slider. He needs to throw more fastballs and trust the results.

    I have watched baseball for too many years to get too worked up over one or two losses. However, they do show a significant bullpen problem which will affect the post-season chances unless fixed. Some bullpen members must step up. There is no other practical solution out there. A principal reason for last years slow start was the bullpen. Don’t doubt the same can cause an extended downturn this year. And to think the bullpen was one of my least concerns at the start of the year.

    Was anyone surprised that the bottom of the order didn’t drive in the run from third? Winn looks lost at the plate. Thames can’t play the field. Boy, do they need Granderson and Swisher back.

  144. Jerkface May 19th, 2010 at 11:10 am

    RAB used your Thames line in their recap. Disappointed, though, that you posted it in their comments section too. Turncoat.

    I don’t engage in the silly RAB vs Lohud WAR. I don’t like RABs comment section because of the nesting comments, but I’ll post there if I see something dumb and want to make an argument or to opine about our minor leaguers in their DOTF.

    Plus I had to post that comment EVERYWHERE so I would be able to defend it in copyright court. :x

  145. Wave Your Hat May 19th, 2010 at 11:11 am

    jerkface, you left out Royce Ring. And, if you are including starters, Hirsch.

  146. Billy D May 19th, 2010 at 11:11 am

    JF:

    Coke and Aceves were on the team from Day 1 in 2009 and Hughes wasn’t far behind, and was brought up to start anyway. All three were part of the team’s plans, in some shape or form, from Day 1. Robertson was the only true contributor who wasn’t necessarily part of the Big Club’s 2009 plans when the season began. I don’t think they came into this season A) believing they’d face many problems with their pen based on 2009 performances or B) with designs on any specific pitcher currently in the minors playing a significant role in the success of the 2010 team.

  147. Jerkface May 19th, 2010 at 11:12 am

    jerkface, you left out Royce Ring. And, if you are including starters, Hirsch.

    They aren’t on the 40 man.

  148. Wave Your Hat May 19th, 2010 at 11:12 am

    Oh I misread, you were just going off the 40 man. Sorry.

  149. Andrew May 19th, 2010 at 11:13 am

    WYH the game in Detroit featured a misplay defensively that resulted in a hit and a luck-aided bloop hit, IIRC. Behind in the count with 2 walks over 2 innings, yet still, no hits and no runs? The middle outing, against Min, was not pretty. Yet his stuff is still there. How is this all tantamount to demotion exactly, and who at Scranton is going to immediately be better than him while he works his way back to consistency? If he didn’t get demoted after a much worse stretch in late April/beginning of May I highly doubt it is happening right now considering how many problems there are elsewhere in the pen in terms of effectiveness and availability. It is worth conjecturing over on the Internet but it seems highly unlikely to happen, save for another blowup, which is of course possible. But I remain optimistic.

  150. pat May 19th, 2010 at 11:13 am

    Too many guys in the minors are like a back-up NFL QB around here.

    The guy most popular to fans when the guy ahead of him is struggling but reminds you why they are the back-up once you see them play regularly.

  151. randy l. May 19th, 2010 at 11:14 am

    with the bullpen problems, the yankees really need to get vazquez going.

    he’s historically an innings eater who would ,if he’s right, shorten the time the bullpen is out there.

    the yankees need to get every inning out of their starters that they can until they get bullpen relief.

    getting vazquez going is no longer a luxury.

  152. Jerkface May 19th, 2010 at 11:17 am

    The opening day bullpen was:

    Mariano
    Phil Coke
    Albaladejo
    Brian Bruney
    Edwar Ramirez
    Jose Veras

    Aceves was the long man

    We dropped Albie/Edwar/Veras/Bruney, replaced them with Hughes/Robertson and moved Aceves to the real pen and Mitre to the long role. Gaudin came on the team and was pitching with Mitre and sometimes out of the pen.

    The Yankees might not have a ‘Hughes’(it would be joba if he could get some consistency) but they should be able to get something roughly equivalent out of the minors.

  153. m May 19th, 2010 at 11:18 am

    If you look at the box score, you’ll see that the Sox scored 6 runs in the 8th & 9th innings.

    Please stop talking about the bottom third. 4 starters had 0-fers last night and they still put up 6 runs.

    The problem was pitching (Joba), officiating ( :mad: ), and no defensive replacements on the bench. Would’ve been really nice to have Golson in the OF to help protect a 5-1 lead in the 8th. Really nice.

    Add me to the list of people who will be supremely irritated if either Swisher or Posada shows up in the lineup. Don’t get me wrong, I’ll be glad to see them. But if they weren’t well enough to PH last night in the last of the 9th, then how can they be ready to go less a day later? And there’s no law that says Swish has to pitch according to the handedness of the pitcher.

  154. Billy D May 19th, 2010 at 11:18 am

    MLBTR has a post up about available right handed relievers. Most compelling name to me is Matt Lindstrom, who is presently doing a nice job in Houston. Can’t explain why, but my sense is that both Aardsma and Dotel would be disastarous here.

  155. Jerkface May 19th, 2010 at 11:20 am

    And last year a lot of guys got shots in the pen, either for 1 day, or whatever, and ended up DFA’d back in the minors.

    Jackson, Towers, CLagget, Tomko, Dunn, Kennedy, and Melancon

  156. Wave Your Hat May 19th, 2010 at 11:21 am

    “Please stop talking about the bottom third. 4 starters had 0-fers last night and they still put up 6 runs.”

    We had help from the Boston fielding, don’t forget.

  157. Billy D May 19th, 2010 at 11:21 am

    JF:

    Not only do they not have a Hughes, or anything close to it, in the minors, I’m not sure they have an Aceves down there. They’re probably going to have to try and find out at some point, but I don’t really see the minors as an answer this time around.

  158. Jerkface May 19th, 2010 at 11:21 am

    Please stop talking about the bottom third. 4 starters had 0-fers last night and they still put up 6 runs.

    Now imagine how many runs we put up with a real bottom third :x

  159. randy l. May 19th, 2010 at 11:22 am

    jerkface-

    do you have a iink to a site with the Pitch F/x graphs that RAB uses.

  160. z May 19th, 2010 at 11:22 am

    Shoddy D and a leaky pen will kill you every time.

    Something tells me we want have to worry about Joba trying to protect a late lead against the Rays.

    Whatever weaknesses the Yanks have, the Rays will expose them.

  161. Erin May 19th, 2010 at 11:22 am

    Forgive me if this has already been posted, but here’s Joba’s tweet from last night:

    Joba_62 Success is a journey, not a destination! -Ben Sweetland. Have to get better and keep workin. Rays in town for 2.

  162. Wave Your Hat May 19th, 2010 at 11:23 am

    “They’re probably going to have to try and find out at some point, but I don’t really see the minors as an answer this time around.”

    When it comes to relievers you often don’t know what you have until you try them.

  163. Green Man May 19th, 2010 at 11:24 am

    m,

    Everything you said is dead on.

  164. Trevor May 19th, 2010 at 11:24 am

    “Joba_62 Success is a journey, not a destination! -Ben Sweetland. Have to get better and keep workin. Rays in town for 2.”

    Talk is cheap.

  165. m May 19th, 2010 at 11:24 am

    You guys are still missing the point….But carry on! :)

    Erin,

    I was thinking last night, at least we won’t see any of Joba’s saccharine-sweet stupid tweets. Boy was I wrong!

  166. Erin May 19th, 2010 at 11:26 am

    m May 19th, 2010 at 11:24 am

    Erin,

    I was thinking last night, at least we won?t see any of Joba?s saccharine-sweet stupid tweets. Boy was I wrong!

    ***********************
    LOL Sorry, m! :)

  167. blake May 19th, 2010 at 11:26 am

    Task at hand…win tonight and tomorrow and take care of business against the mets this weekend and last nights game is a distant memory..

  168. Jerkface May 19th, 2010 at 11:26 am

    do you have a iink to a site with the Pitch F/x graphs that RAB uses.

    Its probably brooks pitchfx, google that. Or google texas leaguers pitchfx. Those are the 2 big ones.

  169. m May 19th, 2010 at 11:26 am

    Mr. Green,

    :green:

    Except I don’t want to see Swisher “pitch”, that was supposed to be “hit”.

    As for Joba, it’s not always about the journey or the war. Sometimes, the pit stop or the battle are important, too.

  170. LGY May 19th, 2010 at 11:26 am

    It is funny you mention the defensive replacement m.

    With a short bench last night and Thames in the OF, they decide to send down Golson.

    I really don’t understand why Boone Logan is still on this team. Well, I do understand to a certain extent, because Girardi is obsessed with the idea of lefty-lefty matchup.

    It is not Logans fault he is still here, but your right, it sure would have been nice to have Golson around yesterday.

  171. Jerkface May 19th, 2010 at 11:27 am

    Wait a second, if success is a journey, doesn’t that mean success is judged by the route you take?! Joba you’re going off the wrong exit!

  172. m May 19th, 2010 at 11:28 am

    LGY,

    I mentioned it before the game.

    Never did I realize that it would result in losing a 4 run lead. :(

  173. m May 19th, 2010 at 11:29 am

    “imagine”

    I’m still upset. :lol:

  174. Just Sayin' May 19th, 2010 at 11:29 am

    Randy Freaking Winn

    why, Lord, why?

    That is all.

  175. Chip May 19th, 2010 at 11:30 am

    Totally different point:

    The Mets have announced their ticket sale numbers – they’re about a million off from where they were last year. That means that a million fewer tickets have been sold for past and future games this season than by this time last season.

    That means a huge financial loss for the Mets which means someone (likely the manager) is going to be fired.

    Here’s the thing – the manager isn’t the problem.

    The manager didn’t give Ollie Perez a big contract
    The manager didn’t make the decision to pass on guys like Lackey and Piniero
    The manager didn’t hire inept medical staff
    The manager didn’t give Luis Castillo a big contract

    The problems for the Mets lay at the feet of Omar Minaya, yet you can’t fire a GM mid-season. It just doesn’t work. If you want to remove a GM you have to do it towards the end of the season so that a new GM can bring in his own scouts, his own talent evaluators, and his own manager/coaches both at the major and minor league levels and have everyone in place heading into a winter of clear rebuilding.

    Steve Phillips had an interesting take on what the Mets need to do this year, and that’s tear it down. If the club is going to lose that much money this year, that can impact the next two winters. The only solution is to pare the payroll as much as possible to minimize the difference between payroll and revenue.

    The problem is that the way the Met roster is structured, that’s easier said than done. Their big money players are Wright, Bay, Beltran, Santana, Perez, K-Rod, Castillo – those are guys who you either wouldn’t want to trade or guys no other team is going to take.

    If Beltran comes back healthy then he’s someone that they might be able to trade, but his timetable keeps getting pushed back.

    If we assume that the only way the Mets could rid themselves of Perez or Castillo would be to buy them out or trade them for bad contracts (self defeating in this regard) then they have to decide whether or not they are willing to move the following players:

    Wright
    Reyes
    Francouer
    Johan

    Of those four I think Reyes and Francouer would be the ones they decide to move. Francouer isn’t going to bring a ton back because of his limitations as a player, and the value for Reyes is low due to his recent injuries and his uneven play of late.

    And even if you could make franchise altering deals – would you trust Omar, who is likely to be gone after this summer, to be the one to make that move?

    Here’s what I would do if I was in Wilpon’s shoes:

    1. Accept the fact that I’m going to lose a bundle this season and put a 3 year plan in place that doesn’t take this season’s financial losses into account when dealing with next season’s free agent class.

    2. Let Omar and jerry finish out the string. Firing the manager is not going to fix the deeper problems and besides, Omar has done nothing to justify the decision to let him hire a new manager.

    3. Ideally I would like to get Omar’s replacement in place before the end of the season so that he can evaluate players (at every level) while they play. This is only possible if the person I’m targeting is not currently employed by another team. That greatly limits my options.

    The question becomes whether or not to go after a seasoned GM or go with a first timer. If you decide to go with a vetern you’re looking at Kevin Towers as probably the best option. If you go with a first timer, I think the issues facing the Mets are so big that you need a sage “advisor” in place to help with the transistion, espcially since that person is probably not going to be available to you until after the season. With that being the case I would offer a proven GM who is tired of the day to day work (John Hart, Pat Gillick) a great deal of money to come on as a consultant. This person would have the autonomy to bring in an idependant scouting team that would provide the new GM with a dispassionate scouting report on the organization.

    4. Break ‘em up. I think it’s time to move either Wright or Reyes. Of the two I think Reyes is the one who should go. As Yankee fans we used to talk alot about potentially sending Cano to the Dodgers for Matt Kemp – would such a trade work with Jose Reyes going to LA instead?

    5. Two players can’t be traded: Castillo and Ollie, and yet they also can’t stay on the team. I know it’s a lot of money, but you have to change the culture and part of that means clearing out guys who are just targets of ire by the fan base. The Yankees sort of did this with Jeff Weaver. They didn’t release the player, they just took back a guy who was overpaid to get rid of him (Kevin Brown). The Mets should cut bait with both players; sign Jarrod Washburn to fill Ollie’s role in the rotation and call up Ruben Tejada to play 2b.

    6. Let the kids play. You have to see what these guys can do. I would instruct Omar to deal Frenchy to open up a spot for Fernando Martinez. The Mets need to find out if guys like Martinez, Thole, and Tejada are part of the future or not. Most fans will say that if your team is going to stink they would rather have it stink with young prospects getting a shot than with veterans who aren’t part of the long term future of the club. Yes, Rod Barajas is playing well, but if the club is going to stink then there is a greater benefit to getting Josh Thole into the games and see if you have a catcher of the future or not.

    In short – yes, Joba has stunk over the last two games, but good gosh things could be so much worse.

  176. Erica - always OPPC - Sesame Street Mafia and GTLU supporter May 19th, 2010 at 11:30 am

    Joba is a walking fortune cookie!

  177. Just Sayin' May 19th, 2010 at 11:31 am

    I’m NOT blaming Winn for the loss, obviously, just wondering why Cashman can’t find a better alternative.

    He can’t hit a straight 91 mph fastball, hence he is useless.

  178. Jerkface May 19th, 2010 at 11:31 am

    Not sending down Boone for CHOP was ridiculous. We have a MILLION pitchers right now.

    Mariano
    Mitre
    Joba
    Robertson
    Marte
    Logan
    Chop
    Melancon

    8 man bullpen aaaaa

  179. Patrick from CT May 19th, 2010 at 11:31 am

    Melancon is going to get his shot now, he needs to throw strikes.
    Nova looked to me like he could be an option but I think they are a few weeks away from taking him from the AAA starting rotation.
    Joba is going to get traded in July if he does not become more consistant; let’s hope that doesn’t happen.
    Logan needs to be sent down and replaced by an outfielder before the weekend if Swish is not able to play every day.

  180. Erin May 19th, 2010 at 11:33 am

    Erica – always OPPC – Sesame Street Mafia and GTLU supporter May 19th, 2010 at 11:30 am
    Joba is a walking fortune cookie!

    **************************
    I had a fortune cookie last week

    No joke-my fortune was “learn Chinese”

  181. Jerkface May 19th, 2010 at 11:34 am

    No joke-my fortune was ?learn Chinese?

    The irony is that the fortune was actually written in chinese.

  182. LGY May 19th, 2010 at 11:35 am

    Boone Logan on this team hurt them 2 straight nights against Boston.

    Although the Yankees won the first game he gave up that HR and in the second game his mere presence lurking in the bullpen cost the team.

    I have never been more :mad: with a reliever sticking around too long, because the premise for why he is here is so flawed. :mad: :mad: :mad:

  183. m May 19th, 2010 at 11:35 am

    Had Panda’s yesterday.

    The fortune cookie’s fortune read, “No worry! Joba lights out after trade deadline.”

    I would post a picture, but I tore it up. :mad:

  184. THE TRUTH May 19th, 2010 at 11:37 am

    Something about Joba being on Twitter pisses me off.

    Billy-

    I think Aardsma would be a disaster but would take a shot at Dotel. He was actually a Yankee a couple of years ago but he was fresh off TJ.

  185. Chip May 19th, 2010 at 11:37 am

    Joba is going to get traded in July if he does not become more consistant; let?s hope that doesn?t happen.

    I know I’m in the minority on this opinion but I would absolutely deal Joba if I could get an everyday RF, or top OF prospect, back for him.

    I know it would be out of character for both teams, but would the Yankees and Marlins talk about a Joba for Mike Stanton trade? The Marlins could put Joba back in a starting role along with Johnson, Nolasco and Sanchez. Maybe expand the deal by throwing in a prospect and get the Marlins to send back Leo Nunez to take Joba’s spot in the 8th?

  186. LGY May 19th, 2010 at 11:38 am

    Whatever type of journey Joba is on he needs to get the car out of reverse.

  187. m May 19th, 2010 at 11:38 am

    Gack, gotta brush up on my Chinese. “No worry! Joba lights out before trade deadline.”

  188. Jerkface May 19th, 2010 at 11:39 am

    Mike Stanton is on pace for 60 HRs in AA or wherever he is hitting. I don’t think the Marlins trade him for Joba Chamberlain.

  189. THE TRUTH May 19th, 2010 at 11:39 am

    Why trade Joba now? That is the epitome of selling low. Joba is here to stay, IMO.

  190. LGY May 19th, 2010 at 11:39 am

    Joba has as much trade value as m’s fortune cookie.

  191. bud s. May 19th, 2010 at 11:40 am

    mike stanton? what about jeff nelson?

  192. G. Love May 19th, 2010 at 11:40 am

    That was a complete meltdown last night. I stayed away from here as long as I could since I despise games like last night where it feels like the Yankees just crumbled.

    My issue with the team right now is this nonsense of letting injured players stay on the active roster.

    They’ve done it all season long. With Mo, Posada and Swisher. I understand losing a player for 15 days to the DL stinks, but losing a game because you don’t have the room to put a RF in who can catch a ball is worse than losing a player for 2 weeks in my opinion.

    That was a winnable game last night and it was given away by Joba melting down and the defense that let Mo down. I won’t even get into the umpiring other than Mo was getting squeezed (again) and Tex’s foot was on the bag.

    That said, the team needs to stop catering to these injured vets who throw a hissy fit when the word DL is mentioned. It’s selfish and it hurts the team.

    I have no problem with bringing up Melancon last night as the pen needed something to try to get through.

    I do have a problem with exchanging a pitcher for a defensive oriented OF who could have been the difference in the game last night.

    Swisher should have been DL’d and if Jorge isn’t fit enough to play for several days, he should be DL’d too. If both of them were not capable of hitting/playing last night, we’re supposed to believe they’re going to be 100% this weekend?

    It makes no logical sense.

    The DL is there for a reason. The team needs to use it. I know spots on the 40 man are precious, but they have to figure a way out of messes like last night.

    Thames is a good hitter and a good part of the team, but he’s an atrocious OF and shouldn’t be in there to close out a game ever again.

  193. blake May 19th, 2010 at 11:40 am

    Winn isn’t the problem..you take 2 starting outfielders off any team in the big leagues and the back end of the lineup is going to be below average. They are scoring runs..they aren’t holding leads right now.

  194. LGY May 19th, 2010 at 11:41 am

    BTW m, I :lol: at your fortune cookie.

  195. Betsy - Hughes rules (Pleading the Fifth) May 19th, 2010 at 11:41 am

    LOL LGY…..

    I’m sorry, that’s a really cheesy tweet. Did he tell that to his teammates last night? If so, I would have been tempted to slap him upside the head.

  196. Tom in N.J. May 19th, 2010 at 11:41 am

    Joba for Mike Stanton the younger?

    Maybe the Marlins will throw in Han-Ram!

  197. Erica - always OPPC - Sesame Street Mafia and GTLU supporter May 19th, 2010 at 11:41 am

    Erin May 19th, 2010 at 11:33 am
    Erica ? always OPPC ? Sesame Street Mafia and GTLU supporter May 19th, 2010 at 11:30 am
    Joba is a walking fortune cookie!

    **************************
    I had a fortune cookie last week

    No joke-my fortune was ?learn Chinese?
    ****************

    I once got one that said “Eat More Chinese Food”.
    I was outraged by the blatent self-promotion!

  198. THE TRUTH May 19th, 2010 at 11:41 am

    Joba ’07 opens talks for Mike Stanton, Joba ’10, not so much.

  199. Betsy - Hughes rules (Pleading the Fifth) May 19th, 2010 at 11:42 am

    This :mad: is getting more popular by the day, lol.

    :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad:

  200. Patrick May 19th, 2010 at 11:42 am

    Chip, thanks for the 1000+ word essay on the Mets. Interesting, but what was the point?

  201. Steve K. May 19th, 2010 at 11:42 am

    I feel bad for Thames. He seems like a decent, family-oriented man. He looked absolutely devastated in the dugout after the game.

    The fact is, he is doing exactly what he was brought in to do: hit.

    He should not have been in the field, it’s that simple.

    A great manager puts his players in a position where they can succeed. That’s the exact opposite of the position was in last night.

    w/e

    1 game in a 162 game schedule is near meaningless and should be quickly forgotten.

  202. Betsy - Hughes rules (Pleading the Fifth) May 19th, 2010 at 11:43 am

    Joba has as much trade value as the paper the fortunes are written on. There are two sides to a fortune – one side has a wise saying, the other side has the “Learn chinese” comment, with a word in chinese.

  203. Stan May 19th, 2010 at 11:43 am

    Girardi will get the pen straightened out eventually. He has shown a knack for being able to do that.

    Probably be some more ugly blow ups until then though.

    Of course this wouldn’t be such a hot button topic today if Mo wasn’t required to get 5 outs per inning.

  204. Billy D May 19th, 2010 at 11:44 am

    “I know it would be out of character for both teams, but would the Yankees and Marlins talk about a Joba for Mike Stanton trade?”

    Never. Even if Joba were going great the Fish wouldn’t do it. Joba is arb eligible next year. Stanton will arb eligible in 2014. Contract status alone would kill it when you’re talking about the uber cheap Jeff Loria on the other side.

  205. Betsy - Hughes rules (Pleading the Fifth) May 19th, 2010 at 11:44 am

    GLove, word.

  206. Andrew May 19th, 2010 at 11:44 am

    Indications were that Swisher could have played yesterday, or at least that his arm felt exponentially better. I was surprised that he was not used as a pinch hitter when Thames/Winn were up against Okajima in the 8th inning, that would have allowed him to stay in and play RF also which may have resulted in a different outcome in the bottom of the 9th. But we will never know. I also don’t think Bard was ready by the time Winn’s place in the lineup was up, even though he came in to face Teixeira.

  207. Patrick May 19th, 2010 at 11:45 am

    I still can’t get over the fact that Chip wrote 1041 words about the Mets and posted it on this blog. Chip, you truly are the best troll of all time

  208. blake May 19th, 2010 at 11:45 am

    I doubt the Marlins would trade Stanton for anyone on the Yankee roster when payroll is considered….much less Joba.

  209. Jerkface May 19th, 2010 at 11:45 am

    I once went to a fortune cookie factory in San Fran and made my own fortunes, I made some for fun (Trapped in Fortune Cookie Factory! Send Help!) and some for my GF (Well aren’t you going to get a nice surprise… in my pants! :x ) and my mom made some fortunes for her employees “You guys are doing great! Keep up the good work!” etc.

    Unfortunately we mixed up our cookies and half of my raunchy cookies and half of my play cookies (“If you ate this cookie, you have bird flu!”) went to my Mom’s work

    :x

    :x !!

  210. m May 19th, 2010 at 11:46 am

    lol, LGY.

    I vote for more fortune cookie LoHudisms (FCL) and more of these: :mad:

    _________________________________________________

    FCL #1 Confucius have no time to Twitter around. :mad:

  211. Erica - always OPPC - Sesame Street Mafia and GTLU supporter May 19th, 2010 at 11:46 am

    Pitching match ups :arrow:

  212. Chip May 19th, 2010 at 11:47 am

    Patrick May 19th, 2010 at 11:42 am
    Chip, thanks for the 1000+ word essay on the Mets. Interesting, but what was the point?
    ————————

    2 fold:

    1. Point out that things could be much much worse than the pen blowing 3 games in a row

    2. Needed to kill some time.

  213. Stan May 19th, 2010 at 11:47 am

    Yeah, the Marlins are going to trade Stanton……right.

    He’s only one of the elite prospects in the game, who is just about ready to join the big club.

    There is a market for Joba out there though. Although if the Yanks were serious about doing it, they can’t wait that much longer.

  214. THE TRUTH May 19th, 2010 at 11:47 am

    I think the fact that Yankees haven’t had an off day in a looooooooong time has taken its toll. Some off days will do the pen justice.

  215. UnKnown May 19th, 2010 at 11:48 am

    Can someone explain to me how yesterday Jorge says that he is available “if necessary”. Was the last out in the 9th not a neccessary situation. That leads me to believe that him and Nick are really banged up. Brings me to my second point, if both or either one of them are in there tonight, how “banged up” were they really last night? Just mind boggling. Any insights? Maybe from an SJ or CB or anyone else who can tackle those questions with a great baseball mind. Thanks.

  216. Billy D May 19th, 2010 at 11:50 am

    “Can someone explain to me how yesterday Jorge says that he is available “if necessary”.”

    I can only assume that last night, necessary = if Cervelli were injured.

  217. Patrick from CT May 19th, 2010 at 11:55 am

    If Swish does not start in RF tonight then they made a big mistake sending Golson down.
    If Thames starts in the OF, you have to have a late game replacement for him, no if ands or buts!
    The Yankees are really missing Granderson the last few days against these good teams.

  218. champ809 May 19th, 2010 at 11:56 am

    It’s amazing how quickly the worm turns on this blog. I guess you guys just need “issues” to have something to discuss on here.

    Friday night against the Twins Joba strikes out the side on 14 pitches and everybody’s in love with him.

    Saturday Joe ha him get up twice as though he’s coming into the game and Joba throws about 40 pitches in the ‘pen only to not he used.

    Sunday he comes in the game and ends up throwing 30 pitches because of Tex’s error and blows a game.

    Joe should have tried to stay away from both Mo and Joba yesterday to give them both another day and instead gone to Melancon in the 8th and if he pitched a clean inning then the 9th as well until and if it bacame a save situation as he was the freshest arm.

    Now Joba needs to be fixed, he needs to go to the principal’s office or he needs to be “eliminated”.

    Just incredible.

  219. champ809 May 19th, 2010 at 12:00 pm

    GTLU

    SS- Jeter
    CF- Gardy
    1B- Tex
    3B- ARod
    2B- Robbie
    RF- Swish
    DH- Miranda
    C- Velli
    LF- Winn

  220. jussayin May 19th, 2010 at 12:03 pm

    It could be that the weather had some factor in last night’s game, yet it isn’t being mentioned. It was wet out, it was cold. Given those conditions, it might be why Mo wasn’t having as good a control, it might be why they weren’t trying to steal bases.

    The bullpen is the weak link right now, and with the various injuries it will mean some games get lost. CC was very good in keeping it close, even though it was obvious that he didn’t have his best.

    Girardi has his hands somewhat tied right now, and he has to have some concern over the up coming interleague play.

    It will be interesting to see how things turn out with the playing under protest. It is probably a tricky issue, in that this could open a pandora’s box of other teams trying to do what the Red Sox did, gaining plenty of time for a reliever to come into a game to warm up. Beckett didn’t look great last night, but then he hasn’t been all that throughout this season so far. He didn’t move like he was hurt, he didn’t walk off the field as if he was hurt. The only thing he did was stumble a bit on the last pitch he threw. No action he did after that indicated injury.

    If MLB doesn’t uphold the protest then the Yankees should purposely do the same thing in a game to make a point. MLB has a tough decision to make with this protested game. To let it go sends a message to the whole league that you can get away with not playing by the rules. To uphold can mean a whole different ballgame result.

  221. GreenBeret7 May 19th, 2010 at 12:06 pm

    As those that are watching, the Scranton game, you can see two things. Number one, Montero can catch. He just threw Tabata out who leads the league in steals. Sanchez has 3 inninfs in and has thrown 57 pitches. Great fastball and a really good change-up and can’t find the plate or his ass with both hands.

    Something else that was mentioned on another part of the broadcast is that miley and Wynegar have told Montero to be more patient. it’s getting him in the hole time after time. he’s Cano with power and he’s no down to being a singles hitter with no agression whatsoever. Pop time was given at 1.9 seconds.

  222. champ809 May 19th, 2010 at 12:46 pm

    Chip

    I really gotta tell you sometimes your trade suggestions are so one sided it’s almost as though you don’t ever take into consideration that the other team would be trying address their needs as well.

    First off Joba for Stanton straight up is nutty…They would never make this trade. Ando to suggest that a team with bullpen problems would trade a guy in Nunez who is so far this season the best closer in the game for an extra prospect is just childish almost.

    There is a much better chance that the Marlins seriously explore trading Hanley this offseason than them trading Stanton at the deadline or anytime within the next 4-5 yrs even.

  223. Jim May 19th, 2010 at 3:42 pm

    I am just curious why they opted to send Golson down when they seem to be short on outfield depth, especially with CC on the mound, who is typically good for at least 6 innings even on an off day. It appears that they could have used the defensive replacement late in the game last night…


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