Yankees in space
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That’s awesome!
The correct thread title is
Yankees in Spaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaceeeeee
Joba’s refuse-to-acknowledge-failure post failure interview
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fL493R15Mqo
Wow, that’s neat! Next thing left to do is plant a Yankee pennant on the Moon!
Jerkface May 19th, 2010 at 1:44 pm
The correct thread title is
Yankees in Spaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaceeeeee
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Very nice.
very cool. those are some brave people. great view, but one hell of a risk.
hey, in space Randy Winn can hit a fastball (it’s just floating there)
It the movie “Muppets in Space” was playing in the background, the best of everything would officially collide!
Joba-Lost in Space? I kid, I kid.
Betsy,
They need to plant 27 Championship flags!
http://baseballanalysts.com/ar....._under.php
Article on infield flies and why they should be categorized separately from flyballs. An IFB is an out 99% of the time with no advance, so its basically as good as a strike out. Tango Tiger developed a new FIP metric bbFIP that includes inflied flies in the formula.
includes some leaderboard from 2009 and 2010 to show the pitchers who led in SO+IFB / PA , its mostly really good pitchers. Phil Hughes is in the top 10 for 2010
Nah M, the Moon belongs to everyone, even Sox fans!
I used to get spam e-mails offering a piece of the Moon for $24.00, lol. Let’s see – a piece of the Moon or Manhattan for $24.00? Which one should I choose? It’s harder to get to the Moon, but there’s a lot less traffic…….hmm.
SJ44 May 19th, 2010 at 1:40 pm
Not true again Chip. Your BA is as weak as believing the Yankees could trade Joba for Mike Stanton.
You don?t believe the info because its true. Its hard to argue with facts.
Curtis Granderson was a financial BARGAIN given his talent and current contract. It wasn?t a money deal.
The Yankees didn?t believe Austin Jackson could max out to be Curtis Granderson.
That deal falls well within my point.
Also not true about Johnny Damon being gone when the Yankees signed Nick Johnson.
If that?s true, why did they negotiate with him for another MONTH?
Why did they call Hal Steinbrenner, ON HIS HONEYMOON, to talk Johnny into taking the one year deal?
If they didn?t want him, they don?t have to put on a charade to make you feel better, they would have just moved on.
????????
Again, saying I?m wrong because you have facts that the rest of us don?t isn?t compelling unless you can prove your facts as true?you can?t. You are offering opinions and saying that they are based on your ?sources? that aren?t available to the rest of us. There is no reason for anyone to believe that to be true unless you are willing to provide an offer of proof. Anyone here can type the words ?I have sources within baseball? or ?my nephew is a catcher with the Pirates? without backing it up.
As for the Damon negotiations ? that?s pure logic. Johnny was a productive offensive player and the Yankees figured that the longer he was on the market the more likely it would be that they could convince him to take a 1 year low cost deal. Would the Yankees have rather had Johnny Damon than Marcus Thames or Randy Winn, certainly, but they weren?t going to give him the contract he wanted regardless of whether or not they spent money on Javy Vazquez.
And no the Austin Jackson vs. Curtis Granderson deal doesn?t prove your point. Your point was that no GM would opt for a high cost player over a cost controlled one. You?re correct, Austin Jackson is not as good as Curtis Granderson. And Joba Chamberlain is not as good as Javy Vazquez, but that?s not the same thing as saying Austin Jackson or Joba Chamberlain are not good players. And at 1 year 11.5 mil Javy would be just as great a bargain as Granderson if he repeated last year’s performance.
So to sum up the comments from the past 24 hours:
1. Joba should be tarred, feathered and traded for someone spectacular.
2. Mo is never to blame.
3. Chinese food is messy.
Does that about cover it?
Jerkface, I was surprised to hear SJ refer to Phil’s curve as near-plus; wasn’t it always considered plus?
Anyone been listening to Francessa today?
What is he saying? Is he killing Joba? Is he talking about how this win will propel the Red Sox?
I have no interest in listening to what he or any other mediot says, but I am curious how he is reacting to yesterday
I’m a doctor, not a relief pitcher, Damn it!
$24 gets you a piece of manhatten? Its probably a piece from queens repainted
Shame – And the Yankees are in space.
Yunesky Maya has now been unblocked. Apparently a pitcher from Cuba with an excellent pedigree (although in his upper 20s). MLBTraderumors has the Yankees linked to him.
Jerkface, I was surprised to hear SJ refer to Phil?s curve as near-plus; wasn?t it always considered plus?
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I always heard it was plus. But maybe its inconsistency the last few years had it just near plus??? He did have a slower curve for a while.
Yunesky Maya has now been unblocked
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Yunesky Maya to the bullpen!
Shame, actually no it doesn’t. There is reason to be concerned about Joba and those who are are not flying off the handle reactionaries. We’re talking about a kid who has been up and down for the last year and a half and who seems to be hard to reach in terms of being coachable. Suggesting that he’s not the same and that he’s so far been a study in frustration is not the same as suggesting he be tarred and feathered (obviously not literally).
Joba needs to get in shape. Look how big and out of shape he is. You can tell the guy didn?t do any work in the offseason. The difference between Hughes is that he takes his craft seriously unlike overrated Chamberlain.
Joe Girardi told me personally that Phil Hughes beat out Joba Chamberlain because he finds “Hughes” easier to write out.
See – anyone can claim to have inside information without some way of backing it up it’s useless.
“You all read SJ wrong.”
Takes one to know one!
LOL Jerkface……Who knows what that $24.00 is worth with inflation? We are talking about many, many years ago……in a galaxy far, far …..wait, sorry. Wrong blog.
I think it’s time to send Joba into space.
Chip: ass.
Shame Spencer-
also, Boone Logan has to go!
Jetes – SS
GGBG – CF
Tex – 1B
Alex – 3B
Cano – 2B
Jorge – DH
Swish – RF
Cisco – C
Winn – LF
Thanks Doreen!
So to sum up the comments from the past 24 hours:
1. Joba should be tarred, feathered and traded for someone spectacular.
2. Mo is never to blame.
3. Chinese food is messy.
Does that about cover it?
Shame,
I would simply add that many took umbrage at the Yankees’ performance last night.
Chip,
You need a better effort than that!
Jerk, that could be the case. I heard Jayson stark refer to Phil in one of his chats as having 3 plus pitches…..In any case, no big deal. Thanks!~
Chip,
You want to question my contacts and knowledge of the business of the game coming from a place where you believe the Yankees can trade Joba for either Mike Stanton or Matt Kemp? Really?
You may not like the answers I give but, they are the truth. If you don’t agree, its ok. Trust me, I’m not losin’ sleep over it.
Shame Spencer May 19th, 2010 at 1:50 pm
So to sum up the comments from the past 24 hours:
1. Joba should be tarred, feathered and traded for someone spectacular.
2. Mo is never to blame.
3. Chinese food is messy.
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You should be more specific. Egg drop soup was the source of the misery
Also, bad fortune cookies suck
Why not blame A-Rod? He is the one who shifted the momentum of the game with that error.
When a fielder makes an error late – it almost ALWAYS comes back to haunt them. Look at Ryan Franklin last year in Dodgers Stadium after Holliday dropped the fly ball.
A-Rod is more to blame than Joba. He makes that routine play, we win.
Continuing the Cervelli bunt discussion:
Although the book says play for the tie at home, there are exceptions to every rule. I didn’t like the tie last night, we were in trouble with the pen and the bench if the game had gone extra innings.
I don’t think moving the runner over to third and giving up the out sufficiently increased our chances of tying the game to make up for the decreased chance of winning the game in the 9th, given the extra innings prospects.
Chip,
Its pointless to go down this avenue of argumentation. SJ44 can peddle his sources to back up his completely set in stone facts for whatever argument he is trying to win, so its best to just not argue with him. He is not going to prove anything. His reasons will be nebulous, “I don’t want to give up my sources.”
Best just not getting into it with him and just take his opinion-facts (hereafter referred to factinions or Opacts) with a grain of salt.
Betsy, we are in agreement.
I just saw someone say they think he isnt in good shape and thats the issue, but I actually had the opportunity to meet Joba last summer and he looks much more fit in person than on television. I was almost convinced it wasn’t him he seemed so much slimmer. His issues must really be mental more than physical. I mean, I’m no expert, so it could be hogwash but the kid just seems to get out of his rhythm very easily. When he struggled his last appearance, the first thing I noticed was him walking around the mound more, taking his sweet time. I didnt see last night, but I’m wondering if it was a similar scenario.
I prefer to focus on blaming Thames
Thankyouverymuch
My concern out of the gate was the bullpen. I’m glad I’m not alone. Means I’m not crazy…yet.
“Hey, I can see my house from here!”
I don’t buy that excuse. There was 1 runner on after that; all Joba had to do was make his pitches …….but he didn’t. He didn’t pick up Alex- and believe me, Alex has picked up his team more than once – like the night before.
Nick in SF in Larkspur May 19th, 2010 at 1:55 pm
Chip: ass.
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Nick…you’re obviously a deep thinker with that post so let me ask you this. How gullible do you have to be to allow someone to post on here time after time claiming to know things based on some mysterious inside information that no one, not any of the writers who cover the team, none of the national baseball insiders, or anyone else is reporting and buy it as gospel.
I asked SJ to provide one source to validate his claim that the reason the Yankees skipped Joba in the playoffs was because they were “tired of his antics” he wouldn’t (couldn’t) do it. To me, that smacks of a person attempting to artificially inflate his opinion by making it sound like he has some insider information.
Doreen,
Hope you get this line-up. I am having major computer trouble and am posting this from my Blackberry.
Derek SS
Gardner CF
Tex 1B
Alex 3B
Cano 2B
Jorge DH
Swish RF
Cervelli C
Winn LF
Thanks for hosting
You might not think what I am saying is true… but it is. So there.
This is a grade school style hoedown atm
Shame Spencer: are you sure it wasn’t the Joba imposter you met? I heard he lost a lot of weight on his Jersey shore bagel diet.
SJ44 May 19th, 2010 at 1:56 pm
Chip,
You want to question my contacts and knowledge of the business of the game coming from a place where you believe the Yankees can trade Joba for either Mike Stanton or Matt Kemp? Really?
You may not like the answers I give but, they are the truth. If you don?t agree, its ok. Trust me, I?m not losin? sleep over it.
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Unlike you I do not claim that my opinions are anything other than opinions.
Chip,
Nick was showing you that your mysterious 3 letter word is indeed not filtered. Unless SJ44 is pulling sources out of his #*$ which depending on you read that, would be gross… and difficult , and inhumane!
Chip,
You are trying too hard now and all you are doing is discrediting yourself and not me.
You don’t understand the business of the game. That’s why your trade proposal make little or no sense.
That’s ok. Plenty of people don’t understand the business of the game.
However, if you read my posts today and THINK, not react, THINK, you will see the logic in them and understand the business reasons behind them.
You don’t have to agree with them. However, instead of taking shots at me, if you learn a little bit about the business of the game through the posts, you won’t be trying to sell folks the Yankees could trade Joba for either Mike Stanton or Matt Kemp.
In other words, when you write something like that, and then question my credibility, it doesn’t make you look good. In fact, it makes you look foolish.
SJ
I agree Joba currently is a failed starter. I don’t agree that they should dispose of him. He still has a very high upside either as a starter or even a closer. He isn’t either right now IMO.
The reason I’d keep him is basically talent. In 2007 Joba was lights out because IMO he was in the best shape of his life and he had the strength from working as a starter to pitch effectively out of the bullpen.
Now he isn’t in shape and is trying to gut it out. His core is out of balance and is weak. Therefore, his results are out of kilter too. Still he is better than most in the BP even this year.
I would require Joba to work out with a personal trainer all off-season. (Entice with extra bonus $ or whatever) Get him in shape. Then lets see what the Yanks have in him.
Joba should wear one of those electrical impulse belts while sitting in the bullpen to strengthen his core
SJ doesn’t owe anybody any explanations or proof of his credentials, Chip.
Re: Arod’s error
It is an error in the books, but the mistake was made by the umpire. He was out at first, Tex’s foot was still in contact with the bag. Official blame goes to Arod, real blame to the ump.
SJ -
Instead of trying to shut me down by talking about my hypothetical trades, which I fully admit are based on nothing more than my opinions, all you have to do is give me one nationally recognized source who can back up the inside info you claim to have. You can’t do it. You’re a fraud. You get a thrill out of some of the lemmings on this board looking at you as a supposed insider.
Blame maybe for the play, but not for the inning that resulted.
SJ doesn?t owe anybody any explanations or proof of his credentials, Chip.
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Which makes him a combatant in forum war, whose opinions should be mistaken with the thoughts of Joe Girardi and Brian Cashman unless sources are cited.
m May 19th, 2010 at 2:04 pm
SJ doesn?t owe anybody any explanations or proof of his credentials, Chip.
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M –
If he’s going to claim that his opinions are backed up by information that he has at his disposal, information that in some cases completely contradicts what accredited sources are reporting, then I’m sorry, but yes he does.
should not be mistaken
Joba should wear one of those electrical impulse belts while sitting in the bullpen to strengthen his core
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unfortunately, he’s more likely to wear one of these:
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/__C0z.....er-Hat.jpg
I agree about the Cervelli bunt. He’s been their best hitter with runners in scoring position. If you had Swisher and Posada coming up behind him its a different story. But with Thames ad the rookie Miranda and then Winn? Not the best options to leave it up to there.
There were plenty of stories last year written about the Yankees frustrations with Joba.
They talked about the meetings they had with him. The frequent shakeoffs. The laboring and lack of pace.
Derek Jeter actually went to the mound during his meltdown at the Stadium in his Mets start and reamed him out. Everybody saw it. Its not news.
They had a rotation set in stone all season. They changed it in September, no they were NOT going to announce it publicly, that they were going to a three man rotation.
This with CC throwing a ton of innings and AJ and Andy as injury risks.
Do you really believe they wanted to do that? They did it because they had no confidence in Joba.
That’s not a ringing endorsement of him as a starter and the off-season moves furthered that feeling.
Like I said, if you want to believe otherwise, its ok.
Jerkface May 19th, 2010 at 2:05 pm
SJ doesn?t owe anybody any explanations or proof of his credentials, Chip.
?
Which makes him a combatant in forum war, whose opinions should be mistaken with the thoughts of Joe Girardi and Brian Cashman unless sources are cited.
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Exactly. I have no problem with him (or anyone else) sharing an opinion, but trying to pass it off as anything more than that without a credible source is irresponsible.
Chip,
I take as a compliment you think I’m a fraud. I really do! lol
hoping that Swish and Po return tonight!
SS Jeet
CF GGBG
1B Tex
3B Alex
2B Robbie
DH Po
RF Swish
LF Winn
C Cisco
thanks Doreen
I wouldn’t say its irresponsible, Chip. Unless Brian Cashman reads this comment section and goes, “Huh, I thought that? Well ok!”
*trades all yankees*
Credibility — it’s serious business on the internet.
Chip, I wasn’t doing any deep thinking, I was just letting you know that the filters allow the word ‘ass’ to be posted here, as you had previously alluded to it as something you weren’t allowed to say.
A teaching moment?
As for the rest of your question, are you suggesting that anyone who reads SJ44′s comments without pestering him to name his sources every time is gullible? You might be a tad gullible yourself if you think only brave truth tellers like yourself are skeptical about everything they read here and everyone else slurps it all up without a thought.
I will give you a pass for simply not knowing what you’re talking about (though you get no pass for the juvenile way you often end up lashing out at GB7, SJ, and others).
Way back in olden times on this blog, the original author, Pete Abe, contacted SJ to find out who he was. Many other people on here know who SJ is generally, and some even specifically. He is a person who does indeed have contacts in the baseball/professional sports business.
That does not mean that everything he says is gospel or should be swallowed without question. Nobody is always right. But if your rebuttal to something SJ posts is “if you can’t tell me the name of the person who said that, you are making it up”, you are most likely wrong.
Jerkface,
lol. I don’t believe everything SJ claims, but I don’t get offended by it either. Either accept it or ignore it. I only wish the lineup was as circular as the argument between those two, sigh.
I want to guesS the line-up please;
Jeter-SS
Gardner-CF
Tex-1B
ARod-3B
Cano-2B
Posada-C
Swisher-RF
Miranda-DH
Winn-LF
Chip, I think what SJ is saying makes sense and I don’t have ANY inside information. I absolutely believe that Javy wouldn’t be here if the Yankees had faith in Joba as a SP for 2010. I don’t believe it showed a lack of confidence in Phil and, in fact, it’s not hard to see (if you do enough digging) how the Yankees feel about Phil. I say this as somone who still can’t quite see why it was always Phil’s job to lose (the 5th spot that is). It just makes sense to me that if the Yankees could have 2 homegrown stud talents in their rotation they would, but the Yankees didn’t feel Joba was on solid enough ground and would provide enough of a buffer for Phil as the #5. You don’t need inside information to come to that conclusion.
Does this blog give the Yankees bad karma??
Nick,
You have some questionable imagery in that text block.
SJ44 May 19th, 2010 at 2:06 pm
There were plenty of stories last year written about the Yankees frustrations with Joba.
They talked about the meetings they had with him. The frequent shakeoffs. The laboring and lack of pace.
Derek Jeter actually went to the mound during his meltdown at the Stadium in his Mets start and reamed him out. Everybody saw it. Its not news.
They had a rotation set in stone all season. They changed it in September, no they were NOT going to announce it publicly, that they were going to a three man rotation.
This with CC throwing a ton of innings and AJ and Andy as injury risks.
Do you really believe they wanted to do that? They did it because they had no confidence in Joba.
That?s not a ringing endorsement of him as a starter and the off-season moves furthered that feeling.
Like I said, if you want to believe otherwise, its ok.
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The messing around with his starts was attributed to attempting to manage his workload – the Joba Rules.
Yes, there were multiple stories about him shaking off Posada and laboring – I never saw anything that said that Joba was left out of the playoff rotation because Joba was shaking off Jorge.
On the other hand – I do have this (from ESPN with quotes from Girardi) explaining why they were going with a 3 man rotation in the ALCS:
New York swept Minnesota in the opening round and used Chamberlain as a setup man in all three games. He pitched 1 2/3 scoreless innings, allowing two hits, and combined with Phil Hughes and the rest of the bullpen to bolster the link between starters and closer Mariano Rivera.
“That was pretty good with us in the first round,” Girardi said. “If you go to a three-man rotation, obviously he stays in the bullpen. But if you go to a four-man rotation, then we have to weigh the benefits of either putting Joba in the bullpen or putting Chad in the bullpen.”
Sabathia made his final three regular-season starts for Milwaukee on three days’ rest in 2008, then started again on short rest in the playoffs against Philadelphia. He lasted just 3 2/3 innings and lost to the Phillies.
New York limited him to 230 innings during the regular season — down from 253 the previous year. He will start the opener against the Angels on eight days’ rest, another factor the Yankees think will enable him to be effective in Game 4.
“Not getting him to 250 innings during the regular season allows us to consider that,” Girardi said. “We’ve told him, though, to concentrate on Game 1. That’s the most important game, and we’ll go from there.”
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That took me 30 seconds to find on Google – I’m sure I could find more on both the ALDS and WS if I put some effort into it.
It’s up to each of us to decide what and who we want to believe. I personally do……but I have also asked questions when I wasn’t sure about some of the facts that SJ posted. So far, the answers satisfied me.
So far
LOLZ. People actually take SJ seriously to the point where you’re offended that he’s ignoring your demands of proof. (No offense to SJ because I truly believe you are who you say you are)
But it’s a baseball blog with anonymous posters. You guys are taking this way too seriously.
If you’re smart enough, you can disseminate fact from fiction and truth from hearsay.
Stop being so serious and take it all with a grain of salt.
Doreen—
SS Jete
Cf GGBG
1b Teix
3b a-rod
2b Cano
DH Posada
RF swisher
C cervelli
LF Winn
Thanks
Elias
Er. That’s “discern” not “disseminate” [insert stupid jerkface joke]
accuscore is bullish on the Yanks tonight (62% chance of victory)
don’t let us down, accuscore.
That?s ?discern? not ?disseminate? [insert stupid jerkface joke]
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Once I insert I disseminate stupid jokes.
Are we talking about that Mike Stanton, the one the Marlins hit the jackpot with, the one who is 20 years old in AA knocking the cover off the ball?
The one who if he were in the Yank system would be deemed untouchable by every person on this blog?
That Mike Stanton, or another one?
champ809 May 19th, 2010 at 1:58 pm
Putting Joba on the table in potential trade packages for Halladay is not shopping him around…
Shame on you because you know better.
Cash has said repeatedly that there are no untouchables in the organization and that he listens to all offers.
Since Joba became the 8th inning guy his stat line is;
14 appearances
12 1/3 innings pitched
8 hits
2 earned runs(only bad appearrence vs. Angels)
1 HR allowed
18 k’s
sub .180 baa
heading into Sunday with the Twins….
So where exactly has he not been effective this year out of the pen?
It’s 2 bad games and I think maybe a lil over use this weekend between the on field pitches and warming up twice on Sat.
Chip,
Let me ask you a serious question. Do you believe everything Joe Girardi says in an interview is the truth?
Let me re-phrase it another way….
Do you believe Joe Girardi, in your observations of him in the 3 years he has been manager of this team, is going to go public with his short term or long term plans and thinking about how he wants to utilize his roster?
Do yourself a favor and read Nick’s 2:09pm post. Its 100% accurate.
Betsy
Do I think the Yankees looked at Javy and thought he would be better in the rotation than Joba, absolutely. I’m not a proponent of Joba being a starter (frankly I’m not a proponent of Joba being on this team, but that’s another story entirely)
Javy Vazquez is a proven pitcher who was a credible Cy Young candidate last year, Joba Chamberlain is a 24 year old with one full year of starting under his belt – Vazquez was available for a kid in Short Season ball, a fourth outfielder, a minor league relief pitcher and cash – there was absolutely no reason to not make that trade.
Prior to the deal the Yankees were looking at Joba and Hughes in the four and five spots. The last time the Yankees went with two unprovens in the back of the rotation was 2008 when both Hughes and Kennedy fell flat and the Yankees had to scramble with guys like Sidney Ponson. Brian was not going to make that mistake again.
In what universe will a Yankee official publically say “We are sick of Joba’s antics!”?
Not in the Yankee Universe!
(sorry for the slurping, Jerkface)
Re-post from previous thread …………………….
The difference in professional maturity with Joba Chamberlain and Phil Hughes is like day and night.
During the last series in Boston, I believe it was Boston Dave that posted he saw Joba taking dollar bills with phone numbers from young groupies near the Yankee bullpen and putting the bills in the uniform pockets of his pants.
I saw him do the same thing in Tampa during spring training only he was diving for the bills in the bullpen like a 15-year old kid before putting them in his pockets. He teammates were not amused.
What players do after games is their business but in full view of fans at a ballpark speaks volumes about where his head is at.
Wave,
Nope, that’s the guy. Chip’s opinion is that Joba could bring back a guy like that in a potential trade.
In the alternate LOST universe, the Yankees are pleased with Joba’s antics.
Joba to AAA?
Maybe he needs a wakeup call.
jeter ss
swish rf
tex 1b
arod 3b
cano 2b
posada dh
gardner cf
cervelli c
winn lf
The new Miss USA has also been observed accepting dollar bills.
“Nope, that’s the guy. Chip’s opinion is that Joba could bring back a guy like that in a potential trade.”
That reminds me of a song, “To dream the impossible dream…”
Joba will be just fine.
2 terrible performances DOES NOT mean he should be traded or demoted.
SJ44 May 19th, 2010 at 2:18 pm
Chip,
Let me ask you a serious question. Do you believe everything Joe Girardi says in an interview is the truth?
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No I do not. But, unless you are willing to give me, and everyone else, some credible source to back up your claims, I’m going to put a lot more stock in what these outlets report than in what you say.
As for Pete Abe checking you out. I have no idea what sort of research he did to validate your claims.
Let me ask you a serious question…If Pete, or Chad or Sam had access to someone with your kind of “inside information” why aren’t they using you for that? Why is their “inside info” so much on par with that we hear from guys at the other outlets?
Who the hell does this Ivan Draggo wannabe think he is?
The Vazquez trade wasn’t a no brainer to make if they believed Joba could be an effective starter.
Having 2, cost controlled guys in the rotation, plus Dunn and Vizcaino in the minors (either to develop or trade for something else), 11.5 million in payroll room, AND Melky (who they could have either traded for someone else, or kept on the roster) isn’t a “no brainer” decision.
It probably would have enabled them to keep Damon.
That trade was made because they lost confidence in Joba as a starter and needed someone to fill the innings they lost with him out of the rotation. Especially since they were going to have Hughes on an innings limit this year.
Betsy
Look it is what it is Joba has 3 plus pitches and a better arsenal than Hughes!
Hughes is a much more level headed, more professional player and put together person at this point in their careers.
It’s probably not to hard to gather that their backgrounds,upbringings and environments have contributed greatly to that.
Joba has more to overcome than Hughes but if he ever does he has the potential to be better just based on the FACT that he has more pure “stuff” than Phil.
Having said that right now Hughes looks like the better bet as far as his pro career is concerned. Phil is mature and Joba’s immature is the simplest way to say it.
One of my biggest surprises on the two games with Boston is that we did not run on them very much. I would have thought with their catching problems that we would have stealing more than we did. Anyone understand why the Yanks did not run much on Martinez?
I would be surprised to learn that Joba & Mo are available tonight.
That’s ok because A.J. will go 8 strong innings. Roberston can pitch the 9th and
THE YANKEES WIN!
In MLB2k9, that trade is a no brainer. The computer never lets me do it unless I turn off fair trades.
Chip,
What makes you think they aren’t?
Joba’s ERA has shot up something like 3 full runs over his last two appearances.
It’s up to 4.91.
I don’t know if it’s the board or what, but that’s some bad juju.
How much has Mo’s ERA shot up in the last week?
I know, nobody is concerned with Mo. Fine.
No reason to be concerned with Joba either.
M –
I really have never wanted to be one of those people who take blogs like this too seriously, and in 99.9% of the cases I think I do a pretty good job.
That said, I could care less if someone disagrees with my opinion, but if that person wants to justify their opinion by saying that they have inside info on the situation, I think we all deserve more than that person’s say so on the matter.
Look, if SJ thinks that Joba’s future is in the pen, that’s fine…I happen to agree with him. But if he’s going to say that he knows for a fact that the Yankees consider Joba a “failed starter” then I think we all deserve to know how he knows that.
The thing with Hughes v Joba is that Joba’s fastball was plus based on his velocity+marginal command of the pitch. Hughes fastball was plus based on command+movement+velocity.
I take Hughes fastball any day of the week over Jobas. But I’d love it if Hughes had Joba’s slider and Change
SJ44 May 19th, 2010 at 2:26 pm
Chip,
What makes you think they aren?t?
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Well, as one example, I don’t remember any of them quoting a source as saying that, despite Girardi’s comments, the real reason the Yankees went to a 3 man rotation in the post season was because they were tired of Joba’s antics.
That would constitute a fairly significant story and a glaring omission on their part if they ignored it.
Joba threw a great pitch to “the midget” with an 0-2 count. How “the midget” was able to get the bat on the ball, past Cano is a mystery.
The pitch to “youk” busted his bat. Unfortunately the ball found an empty space and another hit for the sox.
How many times have we seen Mo bust a bat, only to have the ball land in an empty space for a single.
Is this blog kerfuffle just a case of semantics antics?
Chip
You seem like a nice guy with a big ego. You are not the standard bearer of all truth. Quoting the internet doesn’t make it so either. Quoting Girardi’s press conferences doesn’t either. Things are not always Black or White clear.
Questioning someone’s character use to be an offense punishable by duel till death. Your disregard for Sj is repulsive. It takes away from your usually good points, ideas and thoughts. Trade suggestions are just that.
Don’t take yourself so seriously! There is a saying, “Angels can fly because they take themselves so lightly!” Lighten up.
SJ has forgotten more than you will most likely ever get the chance to know about Baseball and the business side of things. That doesn’t make him right, but it certainly doesn’t make you right by questioning his every statement.
I also want to clearly state that your post show you are highly intelligent! Your cheap responses unfortunately seem to indicate a lack of maturity or a disrespect for authority.
I look forward to seeing your ideas. Just lighten up a bit ok?
“Anyone understand why the Yanks did not run much on Martinez?”
Couple possible reasons:
1) Pretty big lead early on Monday.
2) Sloppy track last night.
Is this blog kerfuffle just a case of semantics antics?
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Chips real name is Chipstein
Also RayVT you just said about 5 offensive things in that post. Duel to the death, really? You’ve just lost about 1000 LOHUD points.
Joba’s stuff was better, don’t know if that claim can be made now. If people insist on comparing the two, please compare the present-day pitchers not the past. The two are headed in opposite directions.
Just because a pitcher can hit (or used to hit) close to 100 on the radar doesn’t make them an ace.
Joba’s biggest obstacle is himself I think. If he opens himself up to the help and advice being offered to him, he can achieve the potential everyone envisioned.
Did anybody else see the words “Yankees in space” and think this was going to be a thread about last night’s game?
kerfuffle
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highlight
right click
search Google for “kerfuffle”
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Why are people so critical of Joba today? I don’t quite understand the logic.
He’s our 8th inning guy who happened to have a couple poor performances of late.
BIG DEAL!
Is the season over?
Should we demote him to AAA?
Should he be traded today?
NO
NO
NO
Times like this I actually miss CR9 naming hotties…
SJ44 May 19th, 2010 at 2:24 pm
The Vazquez trade wasn?t a no brainer to make if they believed Joba could be an effective starter.
Having 2, cost controlled guys in the rotation, plus Dunn and Vizcaino in the minors (either to develop or trade for something else), 11.5 million in payroll room, AND Melky (who they could have either traded for someone else, or kept on the roster) isn?t a ?no brainer? decision.
It probably would have enabled them to keep Damon.
That trade was made because they lost confidence in Joba as a starter and needed someone to fill the innings they lost with him out of the rotation. Especially since they were going to have Hughes on an innings limit this year.
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Dunn (a hard throwing LHP with control issues) was replaced by Logan, (a hard throwing LHP with control issues) so that’s a wash.
The $11.5 mil was easily in the budget because of the expiration of the contracts of Matsui and Damon. Even if you assume that the Yankees wanted to bring back Damon, they weren’t going to do it for that kind of money.
Show me an example of the Yankees turning down a deal based on a guy who is as far away from making a contribution to the major league club as Vizciano was?
Again – I don’t disagree when you say that the Yankees made the deal because they were uncertain about Joba, but I think they were just as uncertain about Hughes as they were about Chamberlain.
Hughes, coming into this spring, had actually been far worse than Joba as a starter. I think Cashman was deathly afraid of going into 2010 the same way he went into 2008, with two unknowns in the rotation.
If Hughes and Chamberlain failed the way Hughes and Kennedy did in 2008 then he would be looking at some combination of Mitre, Gaudin and Aceves in the rotation – by bringing in Javy he limited his risk to one spot in the rotation.
“Questioning someone’s character use to be an offense punishable by duel till death.”
Nah, it was just a chance of death, usually neither party died. However, even the chance of death makes you think twice about getting too personal, I’d think.
and he did so without giving up anything he couldn’t replace and without locking the team into a long term deal.
Jerkface May 19th, 2010 at 2:33 pm
LOL! I realized that reading what I said! Dock Me! Sorry Chip!
I guess I feel an empathy for Chip because when I was younger I was very much like him!! LOL!
We need a topic change:
Bert: Why did he become the lost Sesame Street character? Was it the unibrow?
I have taken SJ and others to task a bit for name calling. However, I have no doubt he has information most of us do not. Many things he has expressed have come true. His ananysis is often good. Always right? That person doesn’t exist(see Nick Johnson, Mr. Cashman).
I’m in your camp, Wave Your Hat.
He’s 24, w/flashes of brilliance.
Who knows what his ceiling is, but I’d rather see it pitching for the Yanks than against them.
They weren’t exactly raking him or Mo last night, either.
Ortiz’s ball was the hardest hit, iirc.
“No reason to be concerned with Joba either.”
“Joba will be just fine.
2 terrible performances DOES NOT mean he should be traded or demoted.”
“Why not blame A-Rod? He is the one who shifted the momentum of the game with that error.”
wow, that’s some heavy nonsense stuff.
OK, then trade A-Rod (or just release him) and let Joba be SP.
Nah, it was just a chance of death, usually neither party died. However, even the chance of death makes you think twice about getting too personal, I?d think.
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On the same topic, were a ruffian to come into the Highlanders Pub and start claiming to know Old Roddy Senior down at the diamond, and was proven to be a fibber, he’d probably have an equally likely chance of injury.
Chip,
You know, you’re right. I was a little unfair, and that is unfair of SJ, too.
But had he not invoked the “my sources” slant, he’d still have an argument. Nothing he says contradicts what 1)actually happened 2) was reported to have happened 3) probably happened or 4) logically could have happened. (although personally, I’d like a link to the Hal contacting Damon on his honeymoon story, but I can live without it-in the words of Nick in SF it’s kerfluffle (sp) )
Next time SJ parries with the pseudo-source, just counter with, “I’m a one-armed bandit. How can I defend myself against that?”
You have every right to your opinion and shouldn’t be ridiculed for it. I do side with you on that.
I’m sorry, I meant ‘Warning Track Power’.
Multi-tasking, not my biggest strenght.
To change topic, Japanese hiragana? Hard symbols to write, or hardest symbols to write?
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m, you are one of the biggest Joba/Phil comparers! And Joba psychoanalysts!
(that doesn’t make anything you say incorrect, per se)
Studies have shown that Phil’s most ‘special’ fans on the LoHud often have the strongest opinions about Joba and delight in drawing negative comparisons between Joba and Phil.
Ray -
I really do not take myself seriously at all and I have absolutely zero ego.
What I have is a frustration level and it has been reached.
Dude, for the last couple of years all this guy has done is come on here and say “Chip, you’re wrong” and that’s cool…I have no problem with that since, for the last two years I have said the same thing back to him. But I’m not claiming my opinions are based on anything other than opinion, he is.
“Because I said so” didn’t work on me as a kid and it doesn’t work on me now; and believing facts not in evidence is just silly no matter what the forum is.
As the saying goes “don’t sing it, bring it”
Erica – always OPPC – Sesame Street Mafia and GTLU supporter May 19th, 2010 at 2:38 pm
We need a topic change:
Bert: Why did he become the lost Sesame Street character? Was it the unibrow?
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I hate that Bert is so unappreciated these days. To me, you can’t have Ernie without Bert. And I love the unibrow.
I miss Pete’s exceptional detail to this blog. Along with his great coverage, he would always add informative posts that made me feel as if I was following the team too. Who could forget “Greetings from Gate….” Love those posts. I still read him at the Globe, but it’s hard to swallow since it’s all Red Sox coverage
Joba be the 8th inning guy?
He has to EARN it.
Current trend is he’s down, and I don’t see any reversal sign yet.
Nick,
LOL. That’s true. But I’m living in the present. I don’t hold on to the fact that Hughes was bad in the past. And I certainly wouldn’t be able to survive living off the fact that Joba was good in the past.
Let’s just keep it real. The two are headed in different directions and one has nothing to do with the other.
Ah, yes, who could forget the deep connection with the readers Pete brought with his prose about the Dunkin Donuts International Air Hub. I truly felt like I was crammed next to his bloated hide, the air rank with the smell of cheetos and unwashed shirts.
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My old camp was that I would have tried to trade Joba for Nelson Cruz or Shin-Soo Choo in the off-season, but it was a lonely camp then.
My new camp is that we wouldn’t get anything for Joba now that would help us in 2010 more than Joba actually does.
M –
Thank you
Ray VT –
I’m sorry if my shots at SJ make you look at the rest of my posts with a certain slant…I just find his “I know all, you know nothing and everyone on this board is better off because I’m here” hard to take.
Erin May 19th, 2010 at 2:42 pm
I hate that Bert is so unappreciated these days. To me, you can?t have Ernie without Bert. And I love the unibrow.
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I agree. For the first few years of my life I would go to sleep every night rubbing the unibrow
I bought my little 18 month old cousin a big Ernie for his first birthday. He loves it and carries it everywhere. I tried to find him the same Bert, but it doesn’t exist. So sad
“I know, nobody is concerned with Mo. Fine.
No reason to be concerned with Joba either.”
Mo has a slightly better track record than Joba so you can’t really mean that. Having said this, I think the Joba angst on here today is way overdone.
Joba be the 8th inning guy?
He has to EARN it.
Current trend is he’s down, and I don’t see any reversal sign yet.
OK so please list some names who should replace Joba
as the 8th inning reliever
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And I agree with you, SJ is absolutely entitled to his opinions and they have merit. It would be nice if he was willing to see merit in the arguments of those who disagree with him.
Chip,
I have brought more information to this blog over the years than you have done in any post.
If you don’t want to believe, its ok, really.
You are discrediting yourself in your efforts to discredit me.
If you can’t see that, I can’t help you.
Now tell us again why the Florida Marlins would trade Mike Stanton to the Yankees for Joba Chamberlain.
Did anybody catch the footage of beckett cursing the Yankees mound last night?
That was very, very funny. If you’re a lip reader, it was clear to understand what he said
“fix the f###### mound”
for 3 yrs, Joba’s pitching skill declined, post game interview skill improved, and gained 30 pounds. Job well done.
Nick in SF in Larkspur May 19th, 2010 at 2:42 pm
I am one of those both camps!! I like both Jba & Phil. Both have frustrated me over the years as well as excited me with their performances.
I see them as Andy Pettite (Phil) & Roger Clemens (Joba). Joba is much more emotional & Phil very stohic. Andy & Roger both had a terrific workout routines and so does Phil. Joba apparently does not. To me that is his only limiting factor. Even the shaking off pitches crap would be silly if he was making the pitches where he wanted them. Joba’s stuff is electric. He is a keeper IMO still. If Joba worked out with Andy, then Joba’s ceiling would not have one!
Beckett then took his ball and went home.
Chip,
You’re not that special. SJ’s disagreed with a lot of people. Not just you!
Who cares who has brought more info to this blog. No one did more than Pete.
As Liam Neeson said during “Taken,” now is not the time for d**k measuring!
Erica – always OPPC – Sesame Street Mafia and GTLU supporter May 19th, 2010 at 2:45 pm
I agree. For the first few years of my life I would go to sleep every night rubbing the unibrow
I bought my little 18 month old cousin a big Ernie for his first birthday. He loves it and carries it everywhere. I tried to find him the same Bert, but it doesn?t exist. So sad
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The unibrow is very comforting.
That’s so cute w/your cousin!
I’m always trying to find a little Bert to go with the Ernie I have on my desk, but I always come up empty.
Joba be the 8th inning guy?
He has to EARN it.
Current trend is he’s down, and I don’t see any reversal sign yet.
OK so please list some names who should replace Joba
as the 8th inning reliever
Mr. Ace. A shaky Ace is better than a ‘normal’ Joba.
regardless of the series split with the red sox, i am not concerned with them in 2010.
our competition is the rays and the rays only.
Chip May 19th, 2010 at 2:45 pm
Chip I read every one of your posts! 9 out of 10 are spot on! I just know you have a lot more to offer than being defensive. Please don’t take offense at what I said about you, as I just want better for you!
Wouldn’t want to be a dead horse around Chip and SJ today.
I still would like to know why we did not run on Martinez… Putting that kind of pressure on catcher and pitcher would have changed the complexion of the games especially when they got tight. Just curious if anyone has any ideas on this.
Doreen, I hope I’m not too late.
SS Jeter
CF Gardner
1B Teixeira
3B Rodriguez
2B Cano
DH Miranda
RF Swisher
C Cervelli
LF Winn
“Taken” is FAR too stupid of a movie to quote during an IMPORTANT blog argument.
JMO
You?re not that special. SJ?s disagreed with a lot of people. Not just you!
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But Chips issue is not the disagreement, its the way SJ44 disagrees. Which tends to be in black and white. Usually with some kind of source lending credit to his side.
I can see where Chip would be annoyed by that. SJ44 always takes many unreasonable shots at guys who get into it with him. For example, I don’t think Chip is discrediting himself at all, but you have to have credit to be discredited, and this is a blog. No credits necessary.
Enough silliness, onto baseball stuff…
I don’t know that the team can move Joba out of the 8th inning role right now simply because there aren’t any other options.
Robertson is just starting to come around, best to let him do it the way they are in relatively pressure free outings than jamming him into the set-up role.
With Boone Logan struggling the Yankees need to keep Marte in the role against LH batters
Chan Ho is just coming back from injury
Melancon is an unknown
And there really isn’t anyone in AAA or AA right now who can do it.
I think you just have to keep running Joba out there and hope that this is just a bump in the road.
If it continues I’m sure the Yankees will look outside the organization to address it – there will likely be plenty of late relievers available.
Ace as the 8th inning guy, LOL
OK let’s put him out there tonight as the bridge to Mo.
Oh wait, Ace is on the DL. Unavailable to pitch
Next………………
Joba might could net the other mike stanton..we need a lefty
Chip, but if Joba had proven himself a solid starter in 2010, I think he would have done just that; they know Phil is a starter and they think he’s a top of the rotation starter. Therefore, their preference would be to get him in the rotation as soon as possible. If Joba had been good last year, there would be every reason to expect him to improve, thereby allowing Phil to slide in gracefully to the #5 spot. In 2008, that was a different story. Phil was hurt – it’s not fair to judge him. IPK? That was a mistake.
Jose,
Pete would have to find it to measure it, so I can see why he’d want to forego the contest.
Red Sox nation huh? That picture is proof its a Yankees universe….
Now tell us again why the Florida Marlins would trade Mike Stanton to the Yankees for Joba Chamberlain.
Because I was playing golf yesterday with Jeff Loria and he told me that he would do that deal in a second.
Champ, I think you are underselling Phil, but I’m not going to get into that as what’s the point?
honestly give drob at least one shot at the 8th inning role. He got the stuff, if he does good he can keep it. If not, try melancon after
And I agree with you, SJ is absolutely entitled to his opinions and they have merit. It would be nice if he was willing to see merit in the arguments of those who disagree with him.
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Give it a break, the guy bleeds Yankee blue and is usually right on the money.
He has strong opinions like most in here but some can’t handle the authority with which he speaks.
Perhaps he really does have more insight than others here and deserves the benefit of the doubt.
Sure he doesn’t tolerate novices who profess to know more than him, but can you blame him for that.
Some people in here shoot from the hip and change their opinions like dirty underwear.
Also, it is what it is? Phil has damned good stuff – he’s got dominant stuff and I don’t care if he doesn’t throw 98 MPH.
I helped start a blog and I use to have inside information to share. What I found out was there were others who had even more inside info, especially a guy named “Insider” by the blog host! LOL! If Sj were just given the title “Insider” maybe no one would questions his posts as much! LOL!
It would be a real loss to the Lohud board if Sj were to leave. I think that is why some of us get defensive for him. We appreciate what he brings to the table. That doesn’t mean we don’t appreciate others (Yes GB I read your stuff too!), just we like the angle SJ shares.
Erin May 19th, 2010 at 2:50 pm
The unibrow is very comforting.
That?s so cute w/your cousin!
I?m always trying to find a little Bert to go with the Ernie I have on my desk, but I always come up empty.
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Send me a pic of the Ernie. I’ll keep my eyes open. I have sources!
SS Derek Jeter
CF Brett Gardner
1B Mark Teixeira
3B Alex Rodriguez
2B Robinson Cano
DH Jorge Posada
RF Nick Swisher
C Francisco Cervelli
LF Randy Winn
On the bright side, I did learn a new word: kerfluffle.
unfortunately, the odds of me ever being able to effectively drop it in a conversation without getting the stink eye: 0.00001%
Jerkface, Phil doesn’t need a slider and, frankly, if it causes stress on the arm, I’m glad he got rid of it. He’s got an excellent curve, a good/very good cutter which I’m sure will improve and a decent change……. I don’t think Phil needs to envy Joba’s arsenal (not that that’s what you are saying). Don’t take this the wrong way – I KNOW you are not criticizing Phil.
Chip – look, I don’t want to get involved in someone else’s war, especially if they seem to be having a good time waging it – but can’t you just and SJ bury the hatchett, agree to disagree on this, and move on? I mean, SJ has a long history of bringing up logic and good points, he’s had guest posts here on the blog back in Pete’s day, and he seems to know what of he speaks.
You also have brought up some good points, and try to back them up.
But none of us agree with someone else 100% of the time. That’s part of life.
Can’t we just accept this, and move things along, so this doesn’t get any more tedious?
Erica – always OPPC – Sesame Street Mafia and GTLU supporter May 19th, 2010 at 2:56 pm
Erin May 19th, 2010 at 2:50 pm
The unibrow is very comforting.
That?s so cute w/your cousin!
I?m always trying to find a little Bert to go with the Ernie I have on my desk, but I always come up empty.
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Send me a pic of the Ernie. I?ll keep my eyes open. I have sources!
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Really?? Awesome-will do!
I’m sorry if my shots at SJ make you look at the rest of my posts with a certain slant…I just find his “I know all, you know nothing and everyone on this board is better off because I’m here” hard to take.
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I have seen this board border on insanity and SJ has taken the time to step in/up to calm things down.
Most wouldn’t bother if they could and he deserves credit for that.
If he didn’t post here who would be the voice of reason?
Both m and z inserted a spelling error into the word “kerfuffle” that was not there when I used it — no wonder you chose names with a single letter!
If he didn?t post here who would be the voice of reason?
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This implies a blog needs a voice of reason. Lets not make SJ44 out to be a hero. As one would say about Joba and Phil, it is what it is.
Chip, you are talking about Phil without even considering the circumstances surrounding his starts in the majors. He nearly pitched a no no in his 2nd start and then suffered terrible injuries. Ok, he struggled when he came back – and then he pitched well in September and October. It’s rather hard to pitch with a broken rib, so his numbers in April 2008 should be thrown out. He came back and dueled AJ to a draw in Toronto. Last year, he was fine as the #5. Cashman has always had faith in Phil, always…….I don’t think you are taking that into account. If Joba had developed last year into a good, dependable starter, then his age wouldn’t matter to Cashman.
Joe –
I’m taking a new tact. I’m not going to rip into SJ anymore. Seriously I won’t.
When he questions my opinions I’m just gonna say that they’re based on my “sources” in the industry. As the former editor of a national publication I have sources.
See Chip, that’s why I make fun of you on here.
You, not I, made that trade proposal. Its a moronic trade proposal. One in which even the trolls that frequent this blog wouldn’t make because its so dumb, even THEY wouldn’t post it.
You can take all the shots at me you want. Here is what it doesn’t do…
It doesn’t faze me. Nor give you any ground to even intelligently debate your points.
You are welcome to believe whatever you want about me. Nick’s 2:09pm post said it all when it comes to me.
If you neither choose to believe it or make fun of it, not a problem.
But, when you post something as ridiculous as proposing a Mike Stanton for Joba Chamberlain trade, don’t get your panties in a wad if you get ridiculed for it.
The Red Sox do give of the stench of an also-ran.
I’m not saying they’re a bad team, necessarily, but terminally flawed as far as 2010 is concerned.
You, not I, made that trade proposal. Its a moronic trade proposal. One in which even the trolls that frequent this blog wouldn?t make because its so dumb, even THEY wouldn?t post it.
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I’d like to see your source for this.
Why not blame A-Rod? He is the one who shifted the momentum of the game with that error.”
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It wasnt an error. Tex was on the bag. blown call by the ump.
“Nick’s 2:09pm post said it all”
Don’t mess with the 209!!!
Betsy,
You’re 100% right on Hughes, but wouldn’t his propencity for injuries worry the Yankees as much as Joba’s uneven performace in his first full year as a starter?
So on the one hand he couldn’t be sure that Joba would be good and on the other he couldn’t be sure that Hughes would be healthy.
Also, AJ had an uneven year and has been oft injured in his career and Andy is an old man with a cranky elbow…
My only suggestion is that there was more than concern over Joba motivating Cashman to bring in Javy.
*give off
Chip: Did it ever occur to you that you might be talking to one of the many SJ impersonaters?
And they do say impersonation is the greatest form of flattery, you know.
Joba Chamberlain could be traded for Mike Stanton.
Chamberlain + Montero + Ramirez for Mike Stanton. Throw in anyone else you like. Anyone can be got.
But, when you post something as ridiculous as proposing a Mike Stanton for Joba Chamberlain trade, don?t get your panties in a wad if you get ridiculed for it.
See you’re wrong – my sources say it could happen.
Same sources, fyi, who told me that the Yankees will pursue Manny if the price is right around the trade deadline and they find a need for a DH.
That Granderson injury is really starting to rear its ugly head.
Guys forced out of position, coming up in big spots, etc.
Looks like he’s a quick healer, fortunately. Groin injuries can typically be slow to heal.
If you think about it, the Yankees C team gave a near fully-healthy Boston team all it could handle.
There’s definitely some positive in that.
lol you guys crack me up. Joba for Stanton. Yeah outfielders who hit .300 with 15 homers so far and hitting 500 foot bombs are a dime a dozen. I’m sure the Marlins want to trade his cost-controlled self away at first possible opportunity. Joba will work it out eventually. But even if he works it out, you’re not getting Stanton unless you want to include Hughes in that package.
Incidentally –
Joba and Montero for Mike Stanton is a trade I would make in a heartbeat.
A relief pitcher and a catcher who may not be a catcher for a RF who can rake…easy call.
Speaking of ridiculous trade proposals, and Chip you’ll like this. SJ last year actually said that the Yankees should trade Phil Hughes STRAIGHT UP for Shin Shoo Choo – but the Indians would probably want more….
Keep fighting the good fight brother!!
Hey everybody…what’s your favorite planet? Mines the sun!
Mike Stanton’s gotta be -what- about 45 yrs old by now ?
Jerkface,
You want Stanton at this point you are giving up Hughes. I dont even think Montero gets it done. The guy is an absolute stud.
And In other news:
Chip and SJ are both LoHud posters and neither is going away.
Hughes is the current Yankee hero, and Chamberlain is the current whipping boy.
Nick is the blog Grammarian.
Thames still can’t field and Mo is still Mo.
GGBG challenged a cheetah to a footrace, and the cheetah lost.
Joe G. will NEVER throw away his stat book.
Jeter will always be a professional
Jorge will continue to be fiery.
A-Rod has refused to remove the Minotaur picture from his house.
Pettite will continue to be a Warrior, CC a Horse, and AJ a Hillbilly Tatoo artist.
And Finally, Johnny Damon will not be back.
Other items of great importance will be forthcoming in the future.
It was a typo, he meant Joba for Scranton.
Well said MTU
MTU,
The A-Rod Minotaur thing got me haha. I hope that report isnt true hahah. A-Rod just cracks me up. What a player though.
MTU-great post. You don’t happen to have video of the GGBG/cheetah race do you???
lol you guys crack me up. Joba for Stanton. Yeah outfielders who hit .300 with 15 homers so far and hitting 500 foot bombs are a dime a dozen.
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Well Stanton is an awesome prospect, but he isn’t a great defender and he has contact issues. Strikes out 150 times in the minor leagues. He isn’t likely to be a .300 hitter in the majors.
blake May 19th, 2010 at 3:12 pm
Hey everybody?what?s your favorite planet? Mines the sun!
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I have been upset with the planets since Pluto got shafted
Chip, I think the Yanks probably realized Phil’s injuries were flukish…..plus he did stay healthy for 2009.
I don’t think it was all about Joba because you’re right – there were some question marks – but I don’t think those question marks overrode Cash’s desire/preference to have a couple of home grown studs in the rotation.
I think we all know that the Yankees view Phil as a starter. If you believe Klapisch, Phil was basically the #5 starter unless he screwed it up. Again, that Newsday article: he repeats his delivery over and over and over again. Plus, clearly they think the world of his ability. In any case, if you believe Klapisch, they traded for Javy so that he could be a buffer of sorts for Phil as the #5. That means they were not so much into Joba as a starter for 2010. I also think they wanted to get Phil into the rotation as soon as possible because of their faith in his ability; he pretty much blew them away with what he did in the pen and he didn’t let them down this ST either.
MTU(aka GBURL) May 19th, 2010 at 3:13 pm
And Finally, Johnny Damon will not be back.
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Johnny Damon is not coming back?!?!??!?!
A little upset you didn’t find a way to get me on this list. My need for attention rears its ugly head!
MTU chose to use his power for the forces of good
Let’s sign Yunesky Maya and make him the set-up guy.
Actually, Saturn is my favorite planet; I told that to one of my friends and he said that he was happy with Earth. I replied that Saturn runs rings around Earth……:)
Erin-
The Cheetah was so embarrassed that he requested that all photos of the race be destroyed.
Jerkface,
I know Stanton has the strikeout issues and isn’t the greatest defender and is probably much less of a prospect than Heyward but I just can’t see getting the guy off the Marlins hands at all. I honestly think it takes Hughes. Joba and Montero I don’t think even do it at this point. Stanton’s value is at an all-time high right now with how he is tearing it up. Its kinda stupid to even talk about it lol. The Marlins aren’t going to give up a cost-controlled guy like that. Now Matt Kemp I woudl love haha.
Betsy,
Nice science burn. Erica, you’re on my list, but if LGY is right you better watch out.
And Finally, Johnny Damon will not be back.
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Don’t be so sure of that.
Erica – always OPPC – Sesame Street Mafia and GTLU supporter May 19th, 2010 at 3:16 pm
blake May 19th, 2010 at 3:12 pm
Hey everybody?what?s your favorite planet? Mines the sun!
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I have been upset with the planets since Pluto got shafted
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Haha I was just about to post something about Pluto being taken out as bogus. Poor little guy. Definetely got the shaft.
MTU(aka GBURL) May 19th, 2010 at 3:19 pm
Erin-
The Cheetah was so embarrassed that he requested that all photos of the race be destroyed.
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I see. Who could blame him??
My sources in the cosmos tell me that I’m in line to be named Supreme Lord and Master of the Universe. And when that happens…Look out!
Pluto is a failed planet. what a bust.
MTU, I don’t think that’s a fair categorization. It’s possible to criticize a player without making him a whipping boy (that suggests that Joba is without blame) and to praise a player without making him the hero du jour.
Jerkface May 19th, 2010 at 3:19 pm
Betsy,
Nice science burn. Erica, you?re on my list, but if LGY is right you better watch out.
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I missed something. What list??????
mick May 19th, 2010 at 3:20 pm
And Finally, Johnny Damon will not be back.
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Don?t be so sure of that.
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I am trying to work my magic on this.
Please note, if the universe sends Johnny Damon back to the Yankees I will take all of the credit myself
Jerkface,
Are you calling Pluto the Drew Henson of planets?
I missed something. What list??????
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I won’t miss
Oh,and I almost forgot.
Using the most accurate instruments known to Man opinions have been carefully weighed for comparison with each other and have generally found to be be lighter than a feather but no where as heavy as a fact.
That is all the news that is fit to print (for now).
MTU, speaking of a ballplayer racing an animal: The RS CF McDonald, once played for the Rochester RedWings (AAA Twins). There was a local race horse named Zippy Chippy who had never won a race, something like 0 for 100. Before a RedWing game a promo had McDonald race Zippy Chippy. I think it was 60 yards. McDonald got off to a quick start but Zippy Chippy beat him and won his only race.
Tyler May 19th, 2010 at 3:20 pm
Haha I was just about to post something about Pluto being taken out as bogus. Poor little guy. Definetely got the shaft.
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Not only that, but there was the really great sentance you’d learn in Elementary school to remember the names of all the planets.
My Very Educated Mother Just Served Us Nine Pickles.
Now with out the pickes the sentance sucks.
good post MTU
and Blake, the sun is a star not a planet…was that a trick question?
Jerkface May 19th, 2010 at 3:24 pm
I won?t miss
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I think I just blushed
If you drop an opinion and a fact they will both fall at the same rate in a vaccuum
Poor Pluto…..he just couldn’t handle playing with the big boys. He’s a AAAA planet.
GTLU is Now Closed for Today
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My apologies for not knowing this but someone earlier mentioned that the yankees should put nick johnson on the 60 day dl and call someone else up. Isn’t someone already on the team in place if NJ, or did they mean to put NJ on the 60 day dl in order to put someone on the 40 man roster so that they don’t have to drop somebody off of it?
Poor Pluto?..he just couldn?t handle playing with the big boys. He?s a AAAA planet.
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Chip should suggest trading him for Planet X
Betsy-
I apologize to you for the fact that my lunacy was insufficient to make you smile.
Perhaps, i can do better next time.
Signed,
your friend MTU
Jerkface, true, even though the fact would be weighted down with proof……
LOL I thought the Saturn joke was clever myself. I would die to see it Saturn through a telescope; actually, I have one at home. My parents got me a telescope for my birthday, but I have no clue how to work it.
did they mean to put NJ on the 60 day dl in order to put someone on the 40 man roster so that they don?t have to drop somebody off of it?
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Second one. A 25 man replacement is up for NJ, but his 40 man spot could be punted for 2 months.
Erica-
I remember that…. What is a kid to do now-a-days. That sentence had to have raised teh United States science scores tenfold. Now are levels are even going to be lower
The Sun’s pretty cool but is it even a planet per se? I don’t think so.
Pound for pound Saturn’s the best planet. (Those rings!)
Jupiter used to be cool but what’s up with that big spot? They say it’s a monster storm but hello…. there’s like doctors for that nowadays.
Tyler May 19th, 2010 at 3:30 pm
Erica-
I remember that?. What is a kid to do now-a-days. That sentence had to have raised teh United States science scores tenfold. Now are levels are even going to be lower
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The only solution I could think of was modifying it as follows:
My Very Educated Mother Just Served Us Nails.
Doesn’t have the same ring though
Kate,
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Well planet or star when that thing burns out were all gonna be in trouble
*our levels. Jeez all this studying is making me brain dead.
The sun is a star, not a planet. If the red sox were astral bodies, Pedroia would be a planetoid.
Erica-
Yeah that just doesn’t ring. Actually is pretty violent and gruesome. Sounds like a mean mother and our kids just can’t be exposed to that.
Neptune = underrated
Erica – always OPPC – Sesame Street Mafia and GTLU supporter May 19th, 2010 at 3:25 pm
Not only that, but there was the really great sentance you?d learn in Elementary school to remember the names of all the planets.
My Very Educated Mother Just Served Us Nine Pickles.
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The version I learned was pizzas instead of pickles. Lets face it-pizza is better than pickes.
Blake
don’t we have enough to worry about w/o worrying about the sun burning out?!
If you wanted to trade for Jupiter, you’d have to trade Saturn, a few of it’s moons and maybe Venus. However, I wouldn’t do that as I don’t want to destroy our farm solar system.
Not to blow any of your minds, but there is a star out there in space that were it to take the same position as our Sun, would engulf our entire star system up to Neptune.
Space is scary.
Billy, I LOVE Neptune and I do think it’s underrated. Not only is it spectacularly blue (and blue is my fav color), but it’s got a neat storm and a really cool moon in Triton. Neptune rocks.
BTW, I know the sun is a star…google will ferrell as harey Carey and you will understand….tough crowd.
Question: What does Star Trek and toilet paper have in common?
Answer: They both search Uran us looking for cling-ons
Bronx, actually pound for pound Saturn is a lightweight. If you put Saturn in water, it would float……..like a butterfly and sting like a bee, lol. It really would float, though – it’s very buoyant.
# Erica – always OPPC – Sesame Street Mafia and GTLU supporter May 19th, 2010 at 3:23 pm
mick May 19th, 2010 at 3:20 pm
And Finally, Johnny Damon will not be back.
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Don?t be so sure of that.
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I am trying to work my magic on this.
Please note, if the universe sends Johnny Damon back to the Yankees I will take all of the credit myself
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I knew you would come out of your shell for that one!
Neptune isn’t even rated. Mercury for life.
Better than a hemorrhoid……..
The sun won’t be burning out for another 5 billion years; we’d better watch out for the black hole in our own galaxy, though….NASTY
Erin May 19th, 2010 at 3:34 pm
The version I learned was pizzas instead of pickles. Lets face it-pizza is better than pickes.
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I agree. But pickles used to make me laugh
Ledger_Yankees Posada getting MRI on foot as a precaution; Swisher still out of the lineup.
BTW, I know the sun is a star?google will ferrell as harey Carey and you will understand?.tough crowd
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Its hard to tell that you were using your ‘Will Ferrell as harey Carey’ voice.
# Betsy – Hughes rules (Pleading the Fifth) May 19th, 2010 at 3:34 pm
If you wanted to trade for Jupiter, you’d have to trade Saturn, a few of it’s moons and maybe Venus. However, I wouldn’t do that as I don’t want to destroy our farm solar system.
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Now that’s all we need, trade rumors of planets.
Saturn is like the perfect woman (erica?) , beautiful and buoyant.
New Post w/lineup
Thankfully we can leave this terrible thread behind. New post.
Phil is the Saturn of pitchers……CC is Jupiter. AJ is Neptune because it’s “out there”. Andy is Mars and Javy is Mercury.
remember the days when players merely had hemorrhoids (George Brett era) and not all these nagging bone and tissue injuries to keep them out of the lineup ?
The sun won’t be burning out for another 5 billion years; we’d better watch out for the black hole in our own galaxy, though….NASTY
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That always bothered me. A guy in a planeterium once said that and I called him on it. Too scary for children and knowing the world will end at anytime is not something to be taken lightly.
mick May 19th, 2010 at 3:37 pm
# Erica ? always OPPC ? Sesame Street Mafia and GTLU supporter May 19th, 2010 at 3:23 pm
mick May 19th, 2010 at 3:20 pm
And Finally, Johnny Damon will not be back.
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Don?t be so sure of that.
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I am trying to work my magic on this.
Please note, if the universe sends Johnny Damon back to the Yankees I will take all of the credit myself
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I knew you would come out of your shell for that one!
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When I had my annual review with one of the managing partners, I acted like a normal person.
Afterwards, he announed to the HR rep in the room that I seemed very shy and needed to “come out of my shell a little”.
She laughed so hard she had to leave the room. And told him she’s been trying to push me back into my shell for years
Ledger_Yankees Posada getting MRI on foot as a precaution; Swisher still out of the lineup.
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UGH!!! Just put Posada on the DL so we can get someone up from the minors.
Mick, we’ll probably be ok , but still – Space is scary. I’m fascinated by black holes, have been ever since I saw the cheesy Disney movie of the same name back in the late 1970′s.
I wish I knew how to re post what I wrote early this morning when all was asleep……It expresses my feelings rather well about Joba…….Chip, It’s admirable that you are a person of conviction, however you must open your eyes to the possibility that you may just not be seeing things very clearly……..SJ, Beware of the shifting winds and the splash that comes with pissing in the wind
I thought everyone had seen that skit
Ok Blake……A skit ????
Chip -
SJ -
Instead of trying to shut me down by talking about my hypothetical trades, which I fully admit are based on nothing more than my opinions, all you have to do is give me one nationally recognized source who can back up the inside info you claim to have. You can’t do it. You’re a fraud. You get a thrill out of some of the lemmings on this board looking at you as a supposed insider.
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100% spot on!!
It is IMPOSSIBLE that time and time again SJ’s “inside info” is not reported anywhere by the media. Coming back to making fun of Chip’s trade idea is just a way of avoiding dealing with the facts:
FACT: SJ, you are just a dude with your own opinion like everyone else here. But unlike everybody else here, you claim to be “in the know”. You are not dude. Get over yourself.
Peace!
As a parent of older children I had no idea that Bert has been shunned. Unlike some–uhmm-as an adult I don’t watch a lot of Sesame Street. However, I am willing to sign any petition to rescue Bert from oblivion. I liked him.