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Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Misc on May 20, 2010 
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Just wanted to mention that Sam and I will be video chatting here on the LoHud Yankees Blog on Friday at 1 p.m. Stop by, ask a question or just hang out for a while. We’ll be here.
By the way, Donnie Collins nailed the Montero vs. Moeller argument and summed it up nicely.
Certainly, Montero provides the Yankees with a much better chance to catch lightning in a bottle than Chad Moeller does. But the Yankees don’t need to catch lightning in a bottle. They need to weather the storm, and Moeller is an old storm-weatherer from way back. Bringing up Montero, at this stage, creates more of a storm. He’s just not ready, and too many people around the game know it. Including the Yankees.
“Can you take care of the sick troll that’s hijacking the last thread?”
m-
I did. Twice
there’s trolling
there’s flaming
and there’s THAT
seek help
or a tall building
http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/.....id=2693552 says Miranda also plays outfield. (2006)
I guess he can’t do it anymore.
It’s not just the sheer volume of players out, it’s also the ones that are playing through nagging injuries.
You’d have to be blind to not see Jeter isn’t himself.
A-Rod is a constant question in terms of injuries.
Cervelli has been used as target practice.
I’m sure the list goes on and on.
The Yankees just have to go .500 somehow while their entire team is on the sick ward and in about 2 weeks they have both Granderson and Thames back, which is a big help.
Meanwhile, the onus is on the middle of the lineup 3-4-5 and the starters to come through big.
On the last thread, I got all kinds of excited over the “Golson & Huffman in SWB lineup so I clicked it. It was a LoHud thread from 5/1/10.
The Yankees still haven’t announced the catcher move yet, right?
Can they wait until after the Trenton game and callup Austin Romine after his game which is in progress and probably due to end soon?
“Can they wait until after the Trenton game and callup Austin Romine after his game which is in progress and probably due to end soon?”
They’re bringing up a catcher today. If it was going to be Romine, he would not have played in this morning’s game.
Trenton is in the 6th inning.
That game will be over by 3PM
Plenty of time to fly Austin Romine to NYC from NH.
I blame Eminem.
Just throwing this out there –
Given the Yankees’ need for another outfielder; I wonder if the Yankees and Braves would have talks about the Braves sending the Melk Man back to the Bronx.
Not going to happen Brett. If it were, he wouldn’t be playing right now.
I don’t think it matters that he played in a game today already. Cervelli gets the start regardless. Romine would arrive to sit on the bench and wait for an emergency. Maybe he’d be called on to PR or PH.
That’s not how it works Bret.
If Romine was the guy, he wouldn’t have played today to avoid injury.
They also wouldn’t have played him in case they needed him in NY tonight. There is no way they would have a young guy play in the AM in Trenton and the PM in NY.
Its going to be Moeller.
Chip May 20th, 2010 at 1:16 pm
Just throwing this out there ?
Given the Yankees? need for another outfielder; I wonder if the Yankees and Braves would have talks about the Braves sending the Melk Man back to the Bronx.
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Melky and his .198 and 8 RBIs. Pass
while I agree leaving Montero in AAA is the right thing to do, the fact that hes hitting 250 in AAA should not be the reason. Cervelli was hitting 180 in AA when he was called up.
MOntero should not be called up because he needs to play everyday as a regular, not every 3-4 days as a backup or a DH.
Have any players ever been called after minor league games instead of before them?
I would think so.
amen. ladies they are on pace to win 100 games. they will be fine. what is granderson 10 games away? swisher 3 games?
posada has not played in a week, 2 more weeks he will be back.
weather the storm, they will be fine. joba blowing 2 wins hurts when you have all these injuries.
i call up melancon and golson or huffman(no pinion). dl jorge retoractive and send down the infamous lefty Logan…
the pen is rested, they will be fine…………the rays will not play like this all year…they would in relative terms have the best pitching staff ever………not happening. sorry……….
Guess The Line Up is Open for Business
Sorry for the late opening – I had to run out and, frankly, I forgot.
(Been a hectic week here.)
Good luck.
Randy Winn = Tommy Womack 2004.
Simply an atrocious baseball player
I’d rather have Thames than Melky in the lineup right now, sad to say.
Armchairing it a bit here, but I think they need to slow it down with montero, rather than speed it up.
A little more time at AAA is the best thing imo.
“i call up melancon”
He’s up already. That was him getting roasted in the 8th inning last night.
‘Have any players ever been called after minor league games instead of before them?
I would think so.”
I think it used to happen more now not so much.
it COULD happen though
I don’t think the Yankees have any interest in bringing Melky back.
As far as Melancon, the excuses really have to stop.
Relief pitchers have uneven work schedules and enter games in “undesirable situations”. That’s their job.
If he can get outs, he’s going to have a chance to stick because they are desperately looking for help in the bullpen.
If he can’t outs, its not going to work out.
He’s not going to have pure, pristine conditions to find it. He’s also not going to have 20 appearances to find it. Unfair? Life isn’t fair. Its just the way it is for a rookie trying to break in with the Yankees. Its baptism by fire.
Had he pitched well last night, he could have given them something to think about.
You can’t spin a 2 inning, 3 run, 4 hit, with some of the outs hit hard, outing as a good job. It wasn’t.
Hopefully, he’s better the next time out.
Melancon’s already up, apologists in tow, and stunk up yet another big league appearance. I’d ship him back down for Nunez in a heartbeat, we need healthy bodies right now and not young pitchers trying to rein in their stuff at the cost of divisional wins.
Was nice to talk about the possibilities of Romine or Montero in the Bronx last night and this morning but reality bites as they say, and Chad Moeller will be on the bench tonight and until Jorge is back barring another injury. I am not at all excited by it but that’s the reality, unfortunately.
Given the Yankees? need for another outfielder; I wonder if the Yankees and Braves would have talks about the Braves sending the Melk Man back to the Bronx
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Yanks need Melk man back so we can get Gardner back on the bench for his pinch running duties. Everyone knows Garder can’t hit lefties and is a liability. /sarc
Agree with Erica – Pass
Romine & Montero are exciting young players, but catching is not the big issue for the Yanks. Moeller will do an adequate backup job until Posada returns.
Outfield is the issue.
3 guys are hurt & Winn is a disappointment. Those are the issues Girardi & Cashman need to address with roster moves today.
Melky would play better back in NY – I feel.
I’m not saying Melky’s a big stick problem solver.
Here’s how I look at this particular situation:
Melky is a major leaguer; thus far Greg Golson is not – so if my choices are Melky or Greg Golson I would prefer Melky. At this point I almost prefer Melky to Randy Winn in LF until Curtis Granderson gets back. And I was wildly in favor of the Yankees signing Winn
When everyone’s healthy you then make a decision between Melky and Randy Winn as to which one you want to carry as the fourth outfielder on the bench.
Heck, I would also look at whether or not the Cubs are willing to deal Xavier Nady.
Go with a lineup of:
Derek
Gardner
Tex
Alex
Cano
Cervelli
Nady – DH
Melky – RF
Winn – LF
Melky and his .198 and 8 RBIs. Pass
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That’s oin Atlanta. He has never performed to a .198 in NY.
i meant keep melancon up, give the guy a chance to figure it out….logan cannot throw strikes. melancon can but needs to realize you need more then strikes at this level. you cannot throw it down the middle and expect good hitters to get out.
also on thames front, he will miss a game or 2 so what if shwisher is back it is irrelevant. and then hopefully they can play thames on occassion and as the DH where he should play.
the positives so far are; man brett gardner is a legit legit player, cano appears to be continuing his growth, arod is still arod(he can mash), hughes you know the rest of that, cervelli worse case scenario is a legit backup catcher…jeter’s #’s are bad, check them out.
obp is cano of 2008 like for jeter……miranda will get some ab’s and see if he can play at this level. before he got hurt swisher looked like a 280, 25, 85 rbi outfielder and that aint bad.
Sorry, but Melancon needs to be given a few more appearances before we can make a determination on him. Unlike Logan, who has had enough chances and continues to disappont.
I would definitely go for DFA Winn and bring Melky back. I dont see why the Braves would hang onto him on the bench.
Melancon’s stuff looks good, but hitters seem to have no problem with it. . Melancon gives up lazers to every hitter he faces…
Now we know why last year felt so special.
Because it was.
GTLU-
To play Swisher or not play Swisher.
That is the Question
My take on Mark Melancon = overrated.
Melancon reminds me a little of Kennedy, he gets people out at the AAA level, comes up here, stinks, and then goes back to AAA but rather than make adjustments he looks at the results he’s getting in AAA and thinks everything is dandy.
Forget Melky. He’s an average hitter,nothing more. We don’t miss him at all.
Not saying Melky would take the job back from Gardner, but how is anyone going to say they’d rather have Winn than Melky in LF and the bench?
I, too, am wondering if something is bothering Jeter. He just seems uncomfortable up there. I hope he is not hurt. Arod is fine but Tex and Jeter (assuming he’s not injured) have to pick it up in order for the Yanks to at least tread water for the next two weeks. And of course the starting pitches. AJ can’t afford to lay an egg like he did last night.
Who ever the backup catcher is. they likely know already and are on their way to NY. SO Chad, look through your phone and text text text.
Melky hasn’t played well in Atlanta and while its romantic to think he will morph into something here, that’s not how it usually works.
If Swisher can play, they can get by with Greg Golston as the backup OF for a few more weeks until Granderson returns.
Its not like Granderson and Swisher are going to be out for the season and the Yankees need an OF who can play everyday.
Within the next 2 weeks, both will be back in the lineup.
That’s why I don’t see a Melky II stop in NY.
That excuse about Melancon being brought in under less-than-ideal circumstances doesn’t hold water. First of all, relievers are usually called upon to clean up other pitchers’ messes. Second of all, the game was pretty much a blowout – he didn’t have any pressure on him whatsoever. I’m sure the Yankees want him to succeed, but wishing doesn’t make it so. All the talk about what a nice curve he has or sinker or how hard he throws is really meaningless; the hitters he faces will tell you what kind of stuff he has by their at bats and they’re getting good at bats off Melancon. I hope he does well because we desperately need an arm out there, but it’s sort of put up or shut up time.
starting “pitchers.” sheesh, can’t type
Forget Melky. He’s an average hitter,nothing more. We don’t miss him at all.
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Uhhh. DISAGREE. Melky CAN hit, Winn CANNOT. Melky has performed in NY, Winn (well we have seen that show).
Once we get healthy, Winn needs to go. He contributes nothing to the team. At least Thames has power and mashes lefties. What skill does Winn have?
Winn is basically a poor man’s Melky. and that is not a good thing.
yea kennedy appears to really be struggling in the junior league. he pitched 8 innings last night.
yankee fans have zero patience, zero.. guidry was driving out of town going to quit and his wife talked him out of it..he went on to be a very very good pitcher.
melancon has thrown about 15 innings at the big league level, give the guy a break. his #’s in AAA matter….
Maybe Melky’s not on the team for reasons other than his skill set.
(Just speculating)
Melancon is like most pitchers. Better in minors. He can’t get major league hitters out. He has no plus pitch. He should have been traded when his value was high.
SJ,
Fair point on Melky.
I was also thinking though that Melky would represent an upgrade over Randy Winn (my bad on that one) as the fourth outfielder when everyone’s healthy.
Will be good to see Miranda get more of an opportunity as well. Looks like he has anice swing. If Papelbon hadn’t made a great stab on his ball the other night the game would have been tied. ALso hit an absolute rope last night but right at the rightfielder.
I think we have to go out and get Jermain Dye. We don’t have a choice now.
Kennedy 3-2 with 3.24 ERA isn’t doing too bad.
The kids with talent eventually figure it out.
Melancon will get it.
HEY guys get this:
Buster Olney Just said on ESPN that Tampa Bay Rays remind him of the 98 yankees.
what do you guys think?
What would you give up to get Melky? I mean, that the Braves would be interested in?
ace got the answer… trade him…yep all the scouts are wrong, the scouts that watch him day in and day out. we the experts who have seen melancon throw maybe 150 pitches know how his career will wind up!!111
Classic yankee fan.. the impatience of the fan base is hilarious…..
Maybe Melky’s not on the team for reasons other than his skill set
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Yeah because of arbitration and Javy Vazquez.
HEY guys get this:
Buster Olney Just said on ESPN that Tampa Bay Rays remind him of the 98 yankees.
what do you guys think?
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Agree except there are veteran pitchers like we had in 1998. Recordwise, yes.
the rays do not hit or relieve like the 98 yanks…
upton in cf verse bernie.
bartlet verse a young jeter.
jaso and navaro verse jorge..
no friggin way ladies, long season……..
Well, I’m going to be busy later so I’ll try the GTLU now, without knowing for sure who will be on the roster…
Jeter – SS
Gardner – CF
Teixeira – 1B
Rodriguez – 3B
Cano – 2B
Cervelli – C
Miranda – DH
Winn – RF
Huffman – LF
SJ would like your opinion from comment 1:32 on what buster said.
stanton, mariano, nelson, and othes verse the rays pen……no comparison…….NONE
The Melky boat has sailed.
If winn is DFA’d
For a 4th outfielder we couldn’t do any worse with Golson or Winfree.
Montero not ready for the bigs? Is this from the same people who said Austin Jackson wasn’t ready for the bigs? The same people who said IPK & Hughes were ready two years ago? I really am concerned about how well Yankee management is evaluating their minor league talent.
I’d like to see Mark Melancon make it. He’s a nice kid and its always good when you can solve problems from within.
However, folks have to take a breath here.
In 15 career games in NY, 20 innings, 20 hits, 10 BB, 4 HBP, 1.475 WHIP just isn’t good.
Yes, its a SMALL sample. However, its not an impressive one and that’s the problem.
He’s not going to be given a lot of rope. Whether its uneven work or not, he has to be able to get outs.
For whatever reason, in the early going of his career, his stuff isn’t translating to being effective at the ML level.
Its not like he’s giving up cheap hits. Even the outs are rockets.
Could it change and he fulfills all of the promise people see in him? Sure he can.
However, SO FAR at least, that’s not happening and I don’t think the Yankees are going to give him a bunch of innings right now to find it.
He’s just going to have to pitch better in the limited opportunities he’s going to find in his time in NY.
Melky comes with a 3 million dollar pricetag.
Even though he’s slumping in ATL, McClouth is doing horribly so they have to keep their depth.
Buster Olney’s been harping about that for weeks.
It’s a pointless exercise this early in the season. What if Longoria goes down, is Tampa still going to win 113 games?
I think Buster might want to wait until the season plays out before he compares the Rays to maybe the greatest team of all time………..
The Rays are playing great, but they haven’t had a slump or a rash of injuries yet. Let’s see what happens when they have their share of adversity.
ladies panic time only 122 games left.
where is the white flag????????
bozos like olney annoint teams all the time, for the 10,000 time baseball is a marathon………
Is Miranda just too slow to play in right? Did he stop all outfield activities when he signed with the yanks?
These are the Yankees, not Kansas City.
Melancon has been given numerous chances and all he has done is blow it. Last year he was hitting guys and imploding. This year he has been getting shelled in playoff games.
If he can’t get it done, then they will find somebody who can.
Ian O’Connor on 1050 had interesting story about Posada. Diane Munson once told Jorge that she didn’t watch baseball after Thurman died. But she saw a game or two and noticed Jorge. She thought he played with the same determination as her late husband and told Jorge he (Jorge) was the reason she started watching baseball again. Because he played like Thurman.
Steve K,
I’ve said before (and others are tired of hearing about it), but melky reached the point where he was overvalued. Earning more than he was worth. Approaching free agency soon, they’d have to deal with the question of non-tender/trade/sign. I think they found a taker and said thank you very much. I’ve said, too, that Gardner will meet a similar fate (though he’s trying his best to avoid it
)
As for trading back for him, has there been a case where Cash or any gm took back a non-Rule 5 player? You’re right, Steve, there are many reasons why players, and certain ones in particular, are traded. The gm’s don’t pull names out of a hat or do it video-game style.
What’s Buster going to do? Write a book about the 2010 Rays? LOL He probably already has a contract for it and is trying to plug it a bit early. I think the Rays are a tremendous team with incredibel SP, but they are not the 1998 Yankees.
stuart,
please stop with the ladies. The ladies here are the ones who are calm and rational. Can you be creative and come up with something less sexist?
To be fair, the 1998 Yankees didn’t slump at all after the first week or so of the season……and there is no guarantee the Rays will suffer any serious injuries.
sj 44 of course melancon has to prove to the team that he can produce and then you increase the leverage situations you sue him in.
he can mop up just like logan that is my point. if logan is a lefty specialist then i am donald trump.
allow melancon to be the garbage man and go from there….
took back a non-Rule 5 player in the same year… duh
Also, melky would hit better in this park vs. Atlanta’s. Who wouldn’t?
yankeesfan2 – no one cares what buster olney thinks.
Melky hit .228 .274 .280 .555 from May 6 to the end of the season in 2008.
Buster has been saying that for awhile.
Its a too early to be comparing the Rays to the ’98 Yankees.
What if Longoria and Price get hurt? Still want to compare them to the ’98 Yankees?
Right now, they are getting GREAT starting pitching. That’s what is carrying them right now.
All 5 starters have made all their starts so far this year. If those guys stay healthy and effective, they are going to win a lot of games.
They get bit by an injury or two, they don’t have the resources to fill those needs like the Yankees and Red Sox do for example.
There are 122 games remaining in the baseball season.
Sometimes, those in the media, as well as fans, forget that fact when they go into hype overdrive on a team or player(s).
m – if you think the ladies on here are calm and rational, you can add delusional to that list.
Next up: Buster compares Kings of Leon to Led Zeppelin.
i’m with m.
This “ladies” stuff is offensive. It may be common and accepted in social settings, but it’s still wrong and offensive. As are the words retard, fag, etc.
“I think the Rays are a tremendous team with incredibel SP, but they are not the 1998 Yankees.”
Better starting pitching and defense, but nowhere close to as offensively capable as the ’98 team was and the ’98 Yankees had the better pen.
“Certainly, Montero provides the Yankees with a much better chance to catch lightning in a bottle than Chad Moeller does. But the Yankees don’t need to catch lightning in a bottle. ”
Wrong. When you are starting Winn, Miranda, and who knows what in RF, you need lightening wherever you can find it.
Austin is not coming to the Bronx, nor is Montero…..Chad the Lad Moeller….Give Melancon more ops , because right now the bullpen is the largest of the leaks on the USS NY Yankees…….I don’t know the numbers, but it appears to me that the pen has lost more late inning ( 7-8 -9 ) leads than all of last season….Although the pen had a rough 2009 April ……
The thing with Melancon that is remarkable is how much people just assumed he’d dominate and be a lockdown, late inning reliever. Last year ,both here and on other boards, some folks (not all, but many) showed an incredible degree of faith in a pitcher who had zero MLB experience. Obviously you don’t give up easily on a talented kid, but on the other hand, trust has to be earned and Melancon hasn’t done anything to earn the Yankees’ trust. I hope he improves and shows that he can provide the help we need, but we’ll have to wait and see if he’s up to it.
The problem is that when “ladies” is used, it’s used as a disparaging, demeaning term. It doesn’t matter if the ladies on this board are level-headed or not. It’s the fact that, solely based on GENDER and not on WHO YOU ARE, people are being insulted.
So cut it out. Or I’ll keep talking about it all day.
wil ldo M you are correct.
my point is right now the yanks have 4 or 5 injuries which for most teams would be just to much.. if joba did his job in the minny loss and the boston loss they are 2 behind the rays.. he blew a 4 and 3 run lead I think…
the rays are a good team but not a powerhouse of all time. there statistics are out of whack for their record. there runs scored will go down because there clutch hitting #’a are unusually high at present. true there speed skews these #’s a bit but not to this level.
they have a very good starting pitching staff but not this good. the # of quality starts they have had so far is mind boggling… they have many young pitchers that have never had this type ofwork load and pressure i will say I was wrong if they keep this up into mid august but I have my doubts.
Sadly, mlb.com invoked George.
“Red-hot Rays look to show Yanks who’s Boss”
A split in this short series would go a long way.
Chip May 20th, 2010 at 1:26 pm
My take on Mark Melancon = overrated.
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Would that be the same Ian Kennedy who in sept.’07 made 4 starts and pitched to a 1.80 era
The same IPK who is currently the D Dacks best most consistent pitcher including Haren and is the top 10 in the NL in Ks and just went 8ip with 9ks last night and outpitched Oswalt the other night in a 1-0 shutout?
Again all the evaluators on this board who think that they know what these kids are going to be after 5 games in NY are silly.
IPK’s talent made him an elite pitcher at every level that he played from grade school and into his pro career. He’s been given a shot in AZ and so far his talent is showing through. Maybe he’s not the image of an ace that some of you guys want to see but what he is showing so far is that he is certainly capable of being a very good major league pitcher.
I as a believer in Melancon’s abilities venture that the same will happen with him if he gets an extended look this time.
This reminds me so much of the ongoing arguments a few months ago in the offseason where so many on here were convinced the Gardner wasn’t a major league offensive player and it was the biggest mistake to give him a chance at a starting job and we HAD to spend 150 mil on Holliday.
How’s that look right now? Gardy has become the favorite player for most of the same people that wanted him either as a pinch runner or off the team entirely?
When people start panicking this early in the season with the team on pace to win 100 games, there is only one thing that I think of:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5ilGGP9BDZs
BTW
6-2 starting the 8th inning is not a blowout when the Yanks are playing….
Billy D, so far their SP is better, but let’s see them do it over the course of the year AND in the playoffs.
Irreverant Discourse,
lol, can I say that most of us are calm and rational?
stuart,
Thanks for being such a gentleman.
2008 Yankees?
More likely they’ll be like the 2001 Mariners.
SJ44 – i totally agree with your take on Swisher and Granderson … I think there is a natural reaction by some to knee-jerk and want the Yankees to bring in someone else from outside the organization to play the outfield. But the reality of the situation is that within a couple of weeks both Swisher and Granderson are back on the field (barring a set back, of course).
The other thing people need to keep in mind too is that by this time, next week, the schedule eases up … we have a stretch starting after the Twins series where we play teams like Cleveland, Baltimore, and Houston.
The main thing right now is to do no worse than shoot par between now and the end of the Twins series … if the Yankees can go 4-3 (which takes them into the 4-game weekend series against Cleveland at YS), then all things considered, its not that bad … especially, with reinforcements coming back in June.
Stuart,
To me, its not an argument between Logan and Melancon.
I don’t think Logan should be on the roster at all. I would venture to say that if he threw with the other hand, he wouldn’t be on the roster.
If Girardi wants a second lefty in the pen, I’d give Ring a shot.
Either way, the sooner the Boone Logan Experience ends, the better my stomach will feel when I know he’s not on the roster.
That said, Melancon has to sink or swim on his own merits.
Like I said earlier, I hope he makes it because it makes the Yankees lives a LOT easier if he can give them something positive.
I’m just saying that I don’t think he’s going to be given a lot of opportunities. Hopefully he throws the ball better than he did last night when he gets another shot.
Rays have a very favorable schedule, especially interleague. They also have the least amount of West Coast games of the 3 AL East teams and have already knocked off 9 games from that list.
Boston is the one that is in trouble – 22 West coast games left. Brutal interleague (Giants, Rockies, Dodgers, Phillies twice) while the Rays get to play the Astros, Braves, Marlins twice, and the Padres at home.
If the Rays stay healthy, they are in great shape.
Even the 98 team wasn’t lauded until after the season was over.
Even then , they weren’t mentioned in the same breath as the 96 team.
You can’t judge a team until the season is over.
Even then you can wait to judge.
It’s not only about the amount of wins.
How many games did the 84 Tigers win? They started out 35-5.
Was the 116 win Seattle team better than the 114 win 98 Yanks? Don’t think so.
but the yanks are a very well constructed team I believe even better then last year and this is why.
they are more athletic. gardner and granderson add more speed, defense, etc.
the pen should be as good as last year or better; if the pen produces to what they did last year it is outstandings with; joba, mo, aceves, marte, robertson, and others..
the bench should be better; cervelli offensively is better then molina nad defensively is in the neighborhood. thames and pena are as good or better then last years bench. this team is with out 2/3 of there starting outfiled there DH and strting catcher that is significant…
Gah, you can’t invoke scheduling. You gotta play the games in front of you. That’s all. We’re capable of winning more than we have.
The fact remains is the bullpen’s cost us some, even in games where the pitching starting has been bad.
The one that kills me still, is CC losing when he went 7 IP, 1 ER.
Largo
nice job.
according to jack curry it is chad
Something weird’s going on in Atlanta. Cincy just put up an 8-spot in the top of the 2nd.
Brian Cashman just told me that the Yankees have recalled C Chad Moeller and have shifted Nick Johnson to 60-day d.l.
This is all about surviving until everybody gets back.
If they go 16-16 in the next month (they have 32 games to play until June 24, when Posada will most likely be back), you weather the storm and Swisher, Posada, Granderson and Aceves are back.
Usually, the Yankees don’t even wake up to start the season until Mid-Late June.
You gotta relax and survive the bad patch.
This is one instance where being a veteran team helps.
I would venture to say the fans are in more of a panic mode than the players right now.
Stay close, get everybody back, then make your move leading up to the All Star Break.
SJ44 i agree with everything on logan and melancon. all i am saying on the melancon front is give him some time if it is in mop up work on the big league or AAA. All I am saying is we will see.
on girardi and lefties in the pen, for whatever reason we have had bad luck on that front. Logan has done especially poor against lefties that and his walks are infuriating regardless of the radar gun
jennifer,
Told you or told Jack?
Thanks for that. One more move, please, Cash.
m – you can say it, but the loud ones make it difficult to hear you :p
Pat M,
Agree. I can already remember off-hand the number of games that the pen blew so far this year from the 7th on –
Opening night in Boston, Joba in Anaheim, Marte/Robertson against the White Sox, Robertson vs. Baltimore, Joba/MO vs. Minnesota, Park vs. Boston, Joba vs. Boston, Marte vs. Minnesota
Not to mention the games we were trailing by 1 or 2 runs that the pen increased the deficit (Ace vs. the Angels, Marte vs. the Angels, Opening night, etc.)
Can’t imagine we blew that many last year.
SJ, If we play 500 ball and the Rays have a 10 game lead at the AllStar break, that is a lot to make up. It can be done but will be difficult.
The best thing about tonight is that Andy’s pitching, so the running game won’t be as big of an issue as it was last night.
Chad the Storm-Weatherer Moeller didn’t throw out a single base runner in Scranton (14 SBs).
main thing is that we stay ahead of the Sox, Toronto, and one of Tigers/Twins.
But the division is always the goal. And I don’t think we’ll end up 10 back of them. Not even close.
Oh, yeah, today’s game will be a lot different than yesterday’s. Don’t make any assumptions about the heart of the team.
or any other city he played in.
(get that in before someone calls me on it)
“Something weird’s going on in Atlanta. Cincy just put up an 8-spot in the top of the 2nd.”
All that against Tommy Hanson too. Reds playing pretty inspired baseball of late.
I didn’t write that!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Well, I know the team won’t panic; they didn’t panic last year and they won’t this year. Granderson will be back in a week or two and boy am I looking forward to that. I am not going to count on Aceves because even when he comes back, can you rely on him to stay healthy? What we need is for Tex, Jeter, Alex and Cano to carry the team……they just are going to have to pick up the slack for their injured teammates. Treading water is probably all they can expect to do, but if the Rays keep winning, it will be hard to catch them. That said, there are plenty more games remaining between the two teams (also keep an eye on the Sox – this isn’t a 2 team race).
It’s Moeller, via RAB.
“I didn’t write that!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!”
I think most were on to that, Erica. It’s the same kumquat who everyone successfully ignored in the last post. Attention craving bag of fleas that he is, he’s pulling his shyte under another’s handle.
Erica, anyone here that thinks you did is foolish. If it isnt about the Golden Girls/Sesame Street/Chinese food we know its an impostor.
Billy D,
Division leaders as of yesterday. Hanson had a 2.88 ERA before first pitch today. That’s up to 4.18. Should come down with a few good outings.
mick,
Then you play for the WC.
If the Yankees get healthy in the next month, they are going to win a TON of games because its a very, very talented team.
The bullpen is the biggest problem on the team right now. Even bigger than the injuries.
Look, if they don’t give up 4 more runs after AJ comes out of the game, they could pulled out last night’s game.
Its still a game of pitching. The pen has to get fixed. Meaning, Chamberlain, Robertson, Park and Marte have to pick up their games. If they do, that’s enough guys to be in front of Mo and to support the starters.
z….Moeller is just backing up Cervelli….It is what it is…..Just have to grind through this stretch….It’s all about the rotation going 7 strong innings……….Yanks will be fine, and Tampa will come back to earth……
Exactly Betsy!
There is no reason to panic. Just have to weather the storm until they get the regulars back. Win tonight, and they are back to 3 games behind the Rays.
People keep saying Moeller isn’t a particularly good defensive C – I don’t remember anything about his D from last time, but I hope that’s not true.
I don’t post very often, but Chad and Sam, can we PLEASE get registration. It really isn’t that difficult to implement.
Shame Spencer May 20th, 2010 at 1:58 pm
Erica, anyone here that thinks you did is foolish. If it isnt about the Golden Girls/Sesame Street/Chinese food we know its an impostor.
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LOL. Thanks Shame
I guess I just felt the need to clear that up in case anyone thought I had actually lost it
Chan Ho will be fine, I am more worried about D-Rob/Joba.
I see Joba/Chan Ho regaining form quite easily, don’t see it with D-Rob at the moment though.
The Rays won’t have a 10 game lead at the All-Star Break, all teams get some sort of adversity and they haven’t had theirs yet. They are also on a 115 win pace, which is not going to continue. I do expect them to win 100~ games though.
Looking deeeeep into the schedule, Rays last 10 of the season are against Seattle, Baltimore and Kansas City. Might be good to have a cushion heading into the last couple weeks.
the central has 2 teams minny and detroit. clevaland and the white sox are not very good. the west is not very good. even if the angels come back they are not as good as in recent years.
the blue jays are not going to keep this up. the yanks competition for the playoffs are; tb, boston, minny, and detroit. that 5 teams for 3 spots.
that is the bottom line…texas or the angels will win the west.
the yanks worse case scenario need to have a better record then boston and wither minny or detroit if all the tampa is the best of all time prognostacators are correct.
BTW this yankee team won it all last year and showed a lot of guts and heart…..
Bad, bad move by Cashman, he shows no thinking outside the box, just really no balls.
Moeller is not only maybe the worst hitter in baseball, he is also one of the worst throwing catchers in the sport.
He will not play but one day a week, but the point of bringing up Jesus was to help this offense at dh, and now they will be stuck with Winn and Thames playing every day for another month, and they will be exposed for what they are, guys who can not and should not be playing every day.
Better hope Jeter and Tex wake up soon, if not, Alex, Robbie and Gardner better even lift more of the weight, because Cashman took the easy way out with this move, instead of doing something controversial, but with a chance to reward him many times over.
Betsy you were right as were the others, but Cashman and the writers are all wrong, the best thing for Jesus and the Yankees was to bring him up now, and let the kid hit, because he would have hit, and he would have made the Yankees a better team.
Oh well, lets go Yankees.
John, I’m trying very hard not to be negative about this season – I think I’m partially succeeding. I’m definitely not panicking, but I’m also taking a wait and see approach; that’s about the best I can do, lol. As long as the team is not worried, that’s the most important thing. They’ve got to fix that pen, though.
I hear you, Pat M.
Not trying to rabble-rouse, just puzzled, that’s all.
I’m thinking they might have him catch Phil since he’s done the best job of limiting the other team this year (even better than CC).
As long as Phil stays in the groove, Moeller’s bat shouldn’t be a big issue.
I have faith in Andy. He doesn’t get the fan fare he deserves.
The Yankees got off to a great start this year, that provides a bit of a cushion.
Every team deals w/ injuries, too bad ours are in bunches!
Sj44 is right, fans are making too many excuses for Melancon. Now is the time for him to pitch well, this is a big opportunity for him. Pitch well or go back to AAA.
For sure tonight is an important game to try and stay within striking distance. But the season is long, barely 25% through.
More importantly, there is a bulk of games against the Rays and Red Sox in September. Hopefully everyone is back healthy and 100% rolling by then, and the Yankees have a shot at blowing their rivals out of the water themselves.
Spudz – people have been asking for registration on the blog for (i think quite literally) years. no such luck.
Jason, enough with telling me I was wrong, ok?
I mean, I agree with Cashman absolutely.
Wasn’t it last year the Yankees lost BOTH catchers for a time or was that 2 years ago?
Injuries happen folks. Just gotta deal with it and move forward.
122 games remaining. Way to early to “crown anybody” (to steal Dennis Green’s phrase from his epic rant) and WAY too early to bury the Yankees and declare the season “over”.
Leave that to the trolls that frequent here.
It will make it funnier when they see that’s not the case.
They are not bringing up a catcher to spark the offense, why do people keep bringing that up? They are bringing up a catcher so that if cervelli gets hurt, we have a backup. If Moeller plays 1 game a week I think that will be a lot.
Jason22:
I think the point a lot of the posters have been making is that Jesus is probably not ready to contribute offensively. He is barely hitting .230 in AAA with barely over a .300 OBP.
People have been pointing to Cervelli as an example of someone who hit poorly before and hit well in the majors, but he is by far the exception. If anything, he proves the rule.
I think that Montero, at risk of stunting his development and shooting down his confidence, he’s better off in AAA honing his skills. We’ll see him this year. It’s just going to be later rather than sooner.
jason 22 knows montero is ready to hit now. also why think outside the box for a 2 week backup catcher filler? teams that have to think out the box, the yanks do not need to.
on cashman the thing i laugh at is everyone acts like he is a fool. the fool built the 2009 wc champs. the fool has about 4 legit catching stud prospects in the minors…
the fool allowed gardner to be the starting LF. the fool thought Hughes can be a top end starter even though the radar gun never goes abouve 94…I like that fool.
Moeller is not only maybe the worst hitter in baseball, he is also one of the worst throwing catchers in the sport.
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Better than Pena/Winn/Jeter
SJ44 – it was last year, that’s why we know who cervelli is.
This may very well be a year where Tampa Bay is the class of the division … whether the Yankees are healthy or not … but they win the rest of their games between now and the end of the season and the Yankees can still be in the playoffs as the wild card … right now, you lower your expectations because the team is compromised … hunker down and wait for the things to fall in our favor … there is way too much talent to think that we will wallow in obscurity in 2010.
When all is said and done, if we make it to the playoffs as a wild card winner, then so be it. No great sin … look how many teams over the past decade have played (and won) in the World Series by way of the wild card.
As a Bears fan, I remember Green’s rant………”We are who they thought they are”, lol.
I think you have a few pronouns mixed up there betsy
Looking deeeeep into the schedule, Rays last 10 of the season are against Seattle, Baltimore and Kansas City
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that’s Hubble Deep Field deep by baseball standards.
of course, I do that the day they announce the schedules.
If we win tonight, we’re 3 back. If we lose, then it’s 5 GB.
Just one of the many meaningful moments in a long season. Let’s visit the “settle for the WC” at a later date, please.
I’m not in love with Moeller, but it’s the best available move now.
The job description is backup for a couple of weeks.
It was the responsible & IMO right decision.
Bringing up Jesus or Austin would create problems with their MLB service time, not to mention time away from their current programs.
Posada was out early in 08 as well. It seemed like it was a different catcher every game for awhile, when Phil and IPK were starting out.
The Rays are who we thought they’d be?
We can lose to the rays tonight. It’s not the end of the world. This time last year we were what, 0-8 vs RedSox? Yeah, that mattered.
Posada was out for most of ’08, that was the year of his shoulder surgery. Thankfully his injury problems the last 2 years have been of the approximately 1-month variety, not the multiple months version we saw in ’08.
SJ -
Yep, it was last year. That’s why Cervelli was called up. Both Posada and Molina were hurt and Cash had already been called up.
I ams what I ams and that’s all that I ams
/Popeye the Sailor man’d
swbyankeesTT
Indeed, Moeller gets the call: Jack Curry of the YES Network is reporting that Chad Moeller has been called up by … http://bit.ly/9qaKoL
I think they bring 3 new guys in today for AAA, an OF, C, P…
Doreen, I fear knowone will guess the lineup for a while.
Jeter-SS
Gardy-CF
Tex-1B
Alex-3B
Robbie-2B
Cerv-C
Miranda-DH
Golson-RF
Winn-LF
Betsy, I said nothing of the sort, I said you were right on what you predicted, and Cashman and the writers are wrong, period.
Frankie was not a 190 hitter, Jesus is not a 230 hitter, people need to stop looking at 5 weeks of stats, and look at their actual season #s.
He would hit if they called him up, he is a much better option than Winn, Thames, Pena, Moeller.
You can not treat every prospect the same, that is what I am talking about in terms of thinking outside the box. This kid can hit, if you have ever seen him, anyone would know this fact. He is not going to be overmatched, even if he struggled, he would not be overmatched, it would not hurt his future.
Cashman is not a fool, he is a very good gm, he just showed no balls in his thinking with this move.
Helping the team for a month, and giving the kid a taste of what he hungers for, is a no lose situation, plus he gets to work with one of the best catchers of his generation and the manager who was not bad either.
There was no negatives to this, other than the oh they are rewarding him thing, and that is silly thinking.
Cashman knows what he can do now, he just does not want to stop his catching everyday, however the benefits of him playing with the big club, and getting the coaching he would, while dhing and catching once or twice a week, far outweigh the non catching 6 games a week of it all.
Moeller wins
New thread
“This is all about surviving until everybody gets back.
If they go 16-16 in the next month (they have 32 games to play until June 24, when Posada will most likely be back), you weather the storm and Swisher, Posada, Granderson and Aceves are back.”
sj44-
exactly right.i said a similar things this morning. accept playing .500 ball for a month and still be 10 games over .500 on june 20th.
do not change developmental plans for blue chip players like montero. do not pitch sabathia or pettitte that extra inning or two to win in the short run.
do not play jeter and alex every day and every inning. take the wins that come and they will and take the losses that come to because they will to.
do not force the issue. it’s early. it’s not a pennant push. if it was september, than try to catch lightning on a bottle with montero or have sabathia pitch maybe more than he should, but not now.
cashman has learned a few things as he’s paid his dues. i think he’s thinking the same thing. weather the storm and be in a good position to turn it on when the time comes.
june 20-30 is still real early. the yankees just need to shift expectation gears downward and readjust their short term goals. the long range goal doesn’t change.
win it all again.
alan