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Right and wrong: The bullpen

Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Misc on May 24, 2010 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

What’s gone right and what’s gone wrong in the bullpen has really been a matter of when you’re asking the question. Right now, Mariano Rivera fits the wrong category, but 10 days ago he was as good as any pitcher in baseball. Joba Chamberlain was great two weeks ago, bad last week, then great again on Friday.

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What’s gone right?

More than you might think
During the most recent home stand, the Yankees bullpen seemed to be a complete mess, and the problems centered on Chamberlain and Rivera. But heading into the home stand, the relievers seemed to be  a strong point for the Yankees, and they remain 23-0 when leading after eight innings.

Despite his recent outings, Rivera remains 8-for-9 in save situations with a 2.03 ERA that’s lower than his career ERA of 2.25. Opponents are hitting .170 against him, which would be the third lowest opponents batting average of his career.

Other bright spots: Chamberlain’s velocity has improved; Dave Robertson in the previous week; Sergio Mitre as a long man; Yankee debuts from Ivan Nova and Romulo Sanchez.

What’s gone wrong?

Inconsistency
Frankly, this is true of almost every bullpen in baseball. Relievers as a whole are a hit-or-miss group, and the Yankees have been no different. Even Rivera has proven that he’s human.

The low point of the bullpen might be Chan Ho Park. He has the highest ERA on the team — other than Mark Melancon — and he’s allowed five home runs in six appearances. What seemed to be a good, low-cost pickup in spring training has become an unreliable middle reliever (although six games is hardly enough to pass a final judgment).

Other problem areas: Can’t ignore Rivera’s recent outings; Robertson has been knocked around more than once; Hard to know how often Aceves might go down with that sore back; Melancon and Boone Logan were clearly the top Triple-A relievers when the season started, but neither has done much to prove himself out of the New York bullpen.

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163 Responses to “Right and wrong: The bullpen”

  1. Jerkface May 24th, 2010 at 1:04 pm

    The thing that could be worrisome about CC is not his walks, thats around career average, its the fact that his HR rate is doubled. His velocity is inline with his career. Its 92.9, his career average is 93.5 and we haven?t even gotten into the hottest parts of the summer where he will get real loose.

    Right now CC is giving up 1.4 HR/9, which is double as much as he normally gives up. His HR/FB rate is also double his normal perceentage. And above league average. That will probably come down. He is giving up a career low in LD%, a career high in GB%, but 35.6% of his balls put into play are FBs and 14% of those are turning into HRs!

    Not worried about CC at all.

  2. G. Love May 24th, 2010 at 1:07 pm

    I’m not going to get down on Jeter. We’ve seen this before. When you start hearing reports of him getting hit hard in the hand, you know you’re in for a prolonged slump from him.

    He didn’t fall off a cliff. He actually started the season looking like he was hitting with more power.

    Clearly something is wrong with the guy and since it’s Jeter, you know he will NEVER take himself out of the game and play (almost to the detriment of the team) through anything. It’s why he’s an all time great and why a lot of us love him.

    That said, Girardi needs to reshape the order. He does not have the presence in the #2 hole he’s had for the past few years.

    Gardner and Jeter need to be flip flopped.

    I would also move Arod to 3rd to get him the guarantee of getting up in the first inning.

    If Tex is still slumping, let Cano hit 4 and figure it out from there.

    Jeter won’t ground into as money double plays with Gardner on in front of him. In fact, it should be understood that if Gardner is on first, Jeter has to give him every chance to steal.

    If Gardner gets on and steals 2b. Then, if Jeter grounds out, it’s a productive out that can move Bret to 3rd with one out and our 3rd place hitter up.

    Cashman’s off season decisions are looking horrible right now. I don’t think there’s a Yankee fan out there who wouldn’t have Damon and Matsui on this roster for this season.

    But the injuries happened and the drop off is real and the team needs to attempt to address the issues with the offense.

    The pitching was on such a hot streak earlier it was bound to come back to earth, but this offense can’t slump when the pitchers let down a bit.

    Losing Jorge, Granderson and Nick Johnson are huge, but there has to be solutions out there who can drive in runs.

    Perhaps a batting order shuffle can help.

    Gardner is a catalyst for this team. Let him lead off. He gets on base at the start of the game and he’ll score more often than not.

  3. pat May 24th, 2010 at 1:09 pm

    In another episode of sample size theater, Pujols isn’t having a typical year for himself.

    .303/.413/.527/.941 with 8 HRs, 29RBI and 24 Ks.

  4. Erica - always OPPC - Sesame Street Mafia and GTLU supporter May 24th, 2010 at 1:09 pm

    Has anyone considered what the loss of a solid #2 hitter could be doing to Tex?

  5. Jim Mason May 24th, 2010 at 1:12 pm

    Has anyone considered what the loss of a solid #2 hitter could be doing to Tex?

    No. He’s not hitting. That would be if he wasn’t just not drvining in runs. He’s batting .205 or whatever it is. That has nothign to do with who the No. 2 hitter is.

    He’ll be fine. Yankees will be in the playoffs.

  6. I Collect Brett Gardner Cards May 24th, 2010 at 1:13 pm

    this is not up for discussion.
    Mo is always right.

  7. Jim Mason May 24th, 2010 at 1:14 pm

    Losing Nick Johnson is not huge. He was going to become a part-time player as the season went on with ARod, Jeter Posada and others all getting turns at DH.

  8. Erica - always OPPC - Sesame Street Mafia and GTLU supporter May 24th, 2010 at 1:14 pm

    Jim Mason-

    I am not worrying about Tex. The guy is on my fantasy team and I have had him active every week believeing he will “snap out of it”

    I am just wondering outloud if he is being thrown different pitches due to his place in the order

  9. Jerkface May 24th, 2010 at 1:15 pm

    I would say Tex not hitting is having a tangible effect on the #2 hitter :)

    Damon saw the third most fastballs in the league last year. I wonder how thats stacking up for our #2s now as pitchers breeze through Jeter and aren’t terribly worried of Tex.

  10. Andrew May 24th, 2010 at 1:16 pm

    Granderson returning and playing up to his abilities, combined with Vazquez keeping on the roll he’s on and getting his numbers back to earth will make Cash’s offseason look a lot better. The only real definitive flop has been Johnson thanks to his severe injury (and you could argue for Winn but he was signed to be the 4th/5th OF and has been exposed by having to play too much due to injuries). Again, it is still extremely premature to judge his offseason considering it’s not at all deep into the season. If in July the team is still scuffling mightily and the new guys brought in aren’t contributing, then I say go for it.

  11. GreenBeret7 May 24th, 2010 at 1:17 pm

    Granderson is 2-4 and Montero is 2-3 with a walk. Middle of the 7th inning, 3-2 scranton losing.

  12. randy l. May 24th, 2010 at 1:17 pm

    stick teixeira down to the 6 hole until he sorts it out.

    put gardner first and run, run and run some more.

    even when alex is up.

    there is no place for miranda and thames in the opening line up if they perceive themselves to be a running defensive team trying to scrap and win lower scoring games that rely of defense and starting pitching.

    if they want to play station to station baseball with a lot of slumps going on, by all means put them in there in the slumping slugger lineup.

  13. Bret the Hitman May 24th, 2010 at 1:17 pm

    What went right?

    Cashman traded Brett Gardner for Joakim Soria in the 2010 offseason.

    Gardner was replaced by Carl Crawford which weakened the Rays as much as it strengthened the Yanks coming off their 2nd WS in a row.

  14. Betsy - Hughes rules (Pleading the Fifth) May 24th, 2010 at 1:17 pm

    I would hardly put Mo in the category of what’s gone wrong; he’s just had a few bad outings. Most of the rest of the pen has been awful the whole year……

    Joba is still inconsistent…..

  15. Jerkface May 24th, 2010 at 1:18 pm

    Jeter and the combined #2 only have an OBP of around .330 , Jeter last year and Damon put up OBPs of .400 and .365. So Tex should be seeing less ABs with men on. He might see more situations with men on 2 outs, as the bottom of the order is kicking ass.

    What should that mean? More fastballs for Tex, as they aren’t going to walk Tex to get to A-rod. Unfortunately he isn’t doing anything with fastballs, and is getting eaten up first pitch and 2 strikes by offspeed.

    He should be hitting better!

  16. Betsy - Hughes rules (Pleading the Fifth) May 24th, 2010 at 1:18 pm

    Actually, yes you can ignore Mo’s recent outings……..

  17. Erica - always OPPC - Sesame Street Mafia and GTLU supporter May 24th, 2010 at 1:20 pm

    Jerkface May 24th, 2010 at 1:18 pm
    Jeter and the combined #2 only have an OBP of around .330 , Jeter last year and Damon put up OBPs of .400 and .365. So Tex should be seeing less ABs with men on. He might see more situations with men on 2 outs, as the bottom of the order is kicking ass.

    What should that mean? More fastballs for Tex, as they aren?t going to walk Tex to get to A-rod. Unfortunately he isn?t doing anything with fastballs, and is getting eaten up first pitch and 2 strikes by offspeed.

    He should be hitting better!
    *****************

    Thats why this blog needs a Jerkface. I wonder outloud, you actually put together numbers that make my eyes glaze over :-)

  18. Arno May 24th, 2010 at 1:20 pm

    The problem I have with Jeter is that when he is hurt and obviously not producing he should take himself out. He’s not helping and him being in there is not helping himself so why not do the right thing FOR THE TEAM and take a few days off.

  19. Betsy - Hughes rules (Pleading the Fifth) May 24th, 2010 at 1:21 pm

    I don’t think we can count on Ace at all this year – at least, I won’t.

  20. G. Love May 24th, 2010 at 1:21 pm

    Actually, Nick Johnson would be a huge part of this team if healthy. He would get on base at well over .400 and he was showing power to RF.

    Yeah, he was slow, but if the bases were constantly full for 3-4-5 runs will score.

    Plus he enabled Bret to hit at the bottom of the order and make the lineup longer.

    There’s a big drop off from what Nick Johnson can do as DH to what a Thames/Miranda platoon can do.

  21. randy l. May 24th, 2010 at 1:22 pm

    girardi has to take stock of his team and rethink it.

    the whole # two hitter thing has thrown this team off.

    when you put a slug in it you are not a running team even if you have players who can run.

    put a burner in the two hole and the team becomes a running team.

    swisher doesn’t belong there. nick johnson doesn’t belong there .

    jeter, granderson, or gardner needs to be there for the team to run.

  22. I Collect Brett Gardner Cards May 24th, 2010 at 1:22 pm

    Hitman, watch that Brett trade talk! lol
    tho i like that deal actually. A Lot.
    :)

  23. MTU (aka GBURL) May 24th, 2010 at 1:23 pm

    repost:

    Randy-

    “i’m extremely disappointed in the conservative approach he takes with the game.”

    I’m a very practical person.

    I can only hope (though I doubt) that Girardi can/will be also.

    As you may know, I am a big fan of creative, and out-of-box thinking.

    Necessity IS the mother of Invention.

    There is a need and I think it will necessitate Joe G. making changes.

    I hope they work and are forthcoming. He seems to love that book.

    The longer it takes to figure out what to do the worse it it is.

    But I still think with their strong rotation and some tweaking the Yankees are in a very strong postion to compete.

  24. z May 24th, 2010 at 1:24 pm

    Cashman traded Brett Gardner for Joakim Soria in the 2010 offseason.

    Gardner was replaced by Carl Crawford which weakened the Rays as much as it strengthened the Yanks coming off their 2nd WS in a row.

    ——————–

    No ‘Spoiler Alert!’?

  25. randy l. May 24th, 2010 at 1:25 pm

    i’m not optimistic about girardi using the speed the team has.

    i’m expecting him to run out the slug line up with swisher in the #2 spot with miranda hitting somewhere behind the slumping teixeira at least until the red sox overtake the yankees and then maybe we’ll see some creative thinking out of necessity.

    the teams a mess and girardi’s not helping .
    he’s just playing out a program that’s not working.

  26. NYYROC May 24th, 2010 at 1:26 pm

    During last night’s game the announcers gave stats of Tex’s last 65 games(going back to 2009) as a NYY. Don’t remember stats but they weren’t good. Not sure what he is going through is a simple slump. He has a hard time with slow stuff, I noticed that even last year. He may be what they call Betwixt and Between: ahead of the slow stuff and behind the FB. Team really needs Tex to get going. 30+ HR and 120+ RBI are hard to replace.

  27. Crawdaddy May 24th, 2010 at 1:27 pm

    How many bases Damon stole last year? It was 12. How many has he stolen this year? Just 3. So if we didn’t steal a lot of bases out of the 2nd hole last year, why do we need to do that this season?

  28. MTU (aka GBURL) May 24th, 2010 at 1:28 pm

    Brett-

    I don’t know if you are interested but I posted some pics of my recent visit to Navajo and Hopi lands in a previous thread.

    If you are really interested in their cultures you might want to view them. ;)

  29. Crawdaddy May 24th, 2010 at 1:28 pm

    Is there an imposter for Randy today?

  30. randy l. May 24th, 2010 at 1:29 pm

    “But I still think with their strong rotation and some tweaking the Yankees are in a very strong postion to compete.”

    mtu-

    so do i.

    girardi’s idea of tweaking seems to be standing on the other side of the dug during the game to see if that works.

    running is always there. it doesn’t go in a slump.
    they need to run.

    put maddon as manager of this team and i guarantee they’d run.

  31. RMS May 24th, 2010 at 1:30 pm

    “Actually, Nick Johnson would be a huge part of this team if healthy”

    That’s the problem, he can’t stay healthy even when he isn’t on the field. Cashman took a shot and it hasn’t paid off.

  32. Bret the Hitman May 24th, 2010 at 1:30 pm

    Yes MTU,

    I am definitely interested.

    Can you link them?

    Thanks!

  33. MTU (aka GBURL) May 24th, 2010 at 1:32 pm

    Brett-

    Here you go.

    http://picasaweb.google.com/cy.....aterHoles#

  34. randy l. May 24th, 2010 at 1:33 pm

    “Is there an imposter for Randy today?”

    crawdaddy-

    no , i’m just ticked off and tired of watching girardi play station to station slug baseball when he doesn’t have the horses to play it.

    they attempted one freaking stolen base against the red sox in the last two game series.

    girardi is just plain stuck between approaches. he has guys who can run just sit on first while sluggers slump at the plate.

    screw the sluggers. run.

  35. Gil L May 24th, 2010 at 1:33 pm

    any discussion about mo is pointless. bottom of the ninth, ALCS 2010, yankees up a run – there’s NO OTHER PITCHER in the world i would prefer out there to close the game. and i believe i echo the general sentiment of yankee fans.

    trying to re-write this off season by clinging to fiction is quite sad – people claiming that cashman didn’t fail because “grandy and vazquez will definitely pick it up”.
    really? have y’all been given the gift of ESP?
    just look at facts, not fiction:
    1) NJ was an injury prone 1B – and he’s injured. wow, unpredictable…
    2) CG was a player on the statistic decline having an off year, so cashman went out and got him – going against his own rule of not tearing apart the farm system – and tear it he did. you don’t give up your no. 2 prospect, an ML ready pitcher and an ML proven LHP for a declining player. regardless of CG’s performance, this was a horrible trade.

  36. YankeeRay May 24th, 2010 at 1:34 pm

    Time to change the line up until Granderson comes back

    Jeter
    Swisher
    Arod
    Cano
    Tex
    Thames/Miranda
    Cervelli
    Russo/Winn
    Gardner

    Post Granderson return

    Jeter
    Swisher
    Arod
    Cano
    Tex
    Granderson
    Thames/Miranda
    Cervelli
    Gardner

    Post Posada return

    Jeter
    Swisher
    Arod
    Cano
    Tex
    Posada
    Granderson
    Thames/Miranda
    Gardner

  37. YankeeRay May 24th, 2010 at 1:35 pm

    Your 3 hitter is supposed to be your best hitter. Tex is clearly not our best hitter right now. Cano protects Arod more than anyone else at this time.

  38. Jerkface May 24th, 2010 at 1:36 pm

    Jeter, Winn, et all don’t get on base enough to justify stealing with them.

  39. randy l. May 24th, 2010 at 1:36 pm

    ” So if we didn’t steal a lot of bases out of the 2nd hole last year, why do we need to do that this season”

    because your # 3 hitter who hit about 40 homers last year is doing his best david ortiz impersonation. and your # 4 hitter is at a 20 homer rate after almost 40hr too

    things change, so you change.

    it’s not hard to understand.

  40. mick May 24th, 2010 at 1:37 pm

    Doreen-
    It’s “Round Here” by Counting Crows, Adam Durtz.

    Let Lee know if he sings it, he will win Idol. Might not be too late.

  41. randy l. May 24th, 2010 at 1:37 pm

    “Jeter, Winn, et all don’t get on base enough to justify stealing with them.”

    really stupid response

  42. gfd May 24th, 2010 at 1:37 pm

    Mo was a big hit to the team. He came in a game, (after Joba loaded the bases,) walked in a run and served up a grand slam. It had to shake the team. HIS NEXT OUTING , gave a run again before he came back to his norm. Mo’s the Ace of the pen, the stopper, it had to have some effect on the teams confidence when the other teams got to MO.

    I do believe he’s self correcting and will be great this season, if they get the ball to him, with good fielding.

  43. Joe from Long Island May 24th, 2010 at 1:38 pm

    I think Joe will start looking a whole lot smarter once the starters pick it up, the pen gets straightened out, and Granderson, then Posada, get back into the lineup.

  44. MTU (aka GBURL) May 24th, 2010 at 1:39 pm

    Randy-

    Another potential source of frustration, if you want to call it that, might be the fact that it seems that fundamentals like bunting may not be being taught in the minors.

    It seems to be something that so many young guys are unable to do well.

    It’s should be like knowing how to put your pants on, or brushing your teeth for a ballplayer.

    it’s BS to say that some guys can’t learn to bunt well. It just takes practice that’s all.

    I don’t know why learning the fundamentals of baseball aren’t requisite knowledge before guys are promoted to the majors.

    Should be like learning your ABC’s before your move on to middle school, or higher learning.

  45. Jerkface May 24th, 2010 at 1:41 pm

    really stupid response

    You’re going to throw away outs for guys who barely get on base at the moment? This team needs outs more than it needs RISP chances for guys that can’t hit.

    Jeter and Winn aren’t guaranteed steals. You steal with Gardner because he is going to be safe 85+% of the time. I’d steal with Granderson and Gardner. Jeter is not a sure bet to make it 75%+ , neither is Winn. You only run them when you’re sure they have a solid chance of making it.

    Having 16 stolen bases last year means you can steal a base, it doesn’t mean you should be stealing bases.

  46. Andrew May 24th, 2010 at 1:43 pm

    How is it a given that Teixeira and A-Rod will no longer be productive in 2010 in terms of slugging and run production and therefore the offensive strategy needs to be drastically changed on a dime, exactly? Especially given that it’s still May? Seems completely shortsighted and it would do more harm than good, plus I find it extremely odd to stick a fork in the prospects of two of the better offensive players the team has.

    Advocating doing all this running doesn’t provide much of a solution because the guys who could steal bases aren’t hitting right now. There is no chance the mindset is going to do a 180 because the team has hit an offensive funk in May.

  47. GreenBeret7 May 24th, 2010 at 1:43 pm

    Granderson is now 3-5 with a 2 run single in the 8th inning.

  48. Coach6423 May 24th, 2010 at 1:43 pm

    Granderson now 3 for 5, 2 run single….

  49. randy l. May 24th, 2010 at 1:44 pm

    “I think Joe will start looking a whole lot smarter once the starters pick it up, the pen gets straightened out, and Granderson, then Posada, get back into the lineup.”

    joe-

    that’s a long time from now.

    what’s to say some one else won’t be injured by then.

    the yankees have the personnel to run.

    girardi is simply not using it.

    he’s totally stuck playing an idea that’s not working.

    they are 5-10 in their last 15 games.

    things are not going to be back to normal for at least 5 weeks.

    girardi needs to have a meeting with himself and really rethink what this team is.

    if he’s not going to use the speed he has, then cashman needs to trade it before the break and get some more slugs in there so the team can play station to station bash brothers baseball.

    as it is the sluggers are not slugging so why keep playing that strategy ?

  50. mick May 24th, 2010 at 1:44 pm

    Granderson now 3 for 5, 2 run single….
    -=———————————
    can we have him up tmw?

  51. MTU (aka GBURL) May 24th, 2010 at 1:45 pm

    GB-

    It appears we are fortunate that Grandy is a fast healer.

    With a grade 2 strain the minimum healing time would have been about 1 month.

    Looks like CG will achieve that if nothing else goes wrong.

    fingers crossed. :)

  52. RMS May 24th, 2010 at 1:45 pm

    Yankees have guys who can steal. Turn them loose. How about the hit and run. Maybe that will wake up the team.
    Girardi managed in the NL. Do something different instead of station to station base running.

  53. randy l. May 24th, 2010 at 1:48 pm

    jerkface-

    i’m not in the mood for your sabermetric BS.

    the yankees can run and it’s a way to win.

    if girardi doesn’t want to do it , he can continue playing your kind of brain dead baseball and go 5-10 in his next 15 games using that strategy like he has in the past 15 games.

    back to work.

    have a nice day.

  54. I Collect Brett Gardner Cards May 24th, 2010 at 1:48 pm

    I agree with Tex moving to 5th and Cano to th 3rd spot.
    Its the right move, but Joe will NEVER do it.
    it will be an indictment of Tex.
    We wont do it.

  55. mick May 24th, 2010 at 1:48 pm

    In order to run, you must first get on base.

    Lately Jeter, Gardy and Winn!!?? my god , have not.

    Not happening.

  56. Mixinitup May 24th, 2010 at 1:49 pm

    With the shift being on in the extreme for Teixeira, and him not hitting as it is, why isn’t he working on his bunting so he could take advantage of the shift? Mickey Mantle would bunt, so its not like bunting takes away his power threat (not that he is much of a threat at this time).

    If he bunts a few times it will make teams think twice about putting on the heavy shift and give him more open areas to hit toward. (This being when he bats from the left).

    All of them really need to work on bunting skills. Its something that has become almost a lost art, and yet with the game of today it could be very effective.

  57. Jerkface May 24th, 2010 at 1:50 pm

    I’m glad that station to station has somehow become a buzzword. What about the yankees is station to station? No one is hitting at the moment, so its not really any kind of offense. Stealing isn’t going to help get runners in from 3rd with less than 2 outs, or give us a 2 RBI single when we need it.

    The yankees need a realignment of the lineup, not radical steal every base theory that would probably do more harm than good.

    Tex is still hitting 50% XBH. He just isn’t getting that many hits period. But half of what he hits is for power! Thats his game. Putting a guy on second isn’t going to fix Tex’s problems with a changeup. Or stop A-rod from King or Cano from grounding out.

    Not to mention most of our base stealing threats aren’t getting on base.

  58. mick May 24th, 2010 at 1:50 pm

    Why would Tex bat 5th behind Arod?
    Think about that. He’s not hitting and you want to protect Arod with him?

    Maybe 6th to wake him up. That or bench him a game.

  59. GreenBeret7 May 24th, 2010 at 1:50 pm

    Big difference in hitting bad minor league relievers and ML starters. If Granderson can just come back to finish the season with a pro-rated average season (for him), it’ll be a big boost to the offense.

  60. Coach6423 May 24th, 2010 at 1:51 pm

    Mantle’s speed>>>>>>>>>>>>Teix’s speed

  61. Patrick from CT May 24th, 2010 at 1:51 pm

    I’m more worried about the fact that the Yankees are not getting hits when it counts most.
    Tex absolutly stinks right now so I believe he should be moved to the 5 or 6 hole.
    Also, if Gardy is going to be at the top of the lineup, he should bat first a Jeter 2nd. Jeter will see lots of fastballs when Gardy is on and I think it’s better that the #2 guy does not run a bunch in front of the big bats.

  62. Crawdaddy May 24th, 2010 at 1:52 pm

    “it?s not hard to understand.”

    What I didn’t understand or realize is you being such a ledge jumper. So you want to transform the Yankees mid-season from one kind of team to another. Yeah, I can see why you’re frustrated with Girardi for not thinking your way.

  63. Jerkface May 24th, 2010 at 1:52 pm

    i?m not in the mood for your sabermetric BS.

    the yankees can run and it?s a way to win.

    if girardi doesn?t want to do it , he can continue playing your kind of brain dead baseball and go 5-10 in his next 15 games using that strategy like he has in the past 15 games.

    Classic Randy! LOL!

    You don’t seem to understand the non-sabermetric, completely baseball sound theory that sending guys who aren’t used to stealing all the time … well, ALL THE TIME isn’t going to help them. Jeter is too old, he can steal bases, but he isn’t a base stealing threat. Randy Winn is the same.

    You want to put Gardner and Granderson 1-2 and steal with them? Fine. You start wasting your outs with Jeter and Winn (when you’re lucky to have either of those 2 get on base lately) and you’ll end up 0-15, forget 5-10.

  64. Andrew May 24th, 2010 at 1:53 pm

    I figured that LoHud would have wanted to advertise this great guest commenter appearance by Joe Morgan today.

  65. mick May 24th, 2010 at 1:53 pm

    it worked for the go go sox.

  66. Pat M. May 24th, 2010 at 1:54 pm

    Randy I ( The Original Tin Cup )….I’m with you on the 2 hole in the lineup…….I’ve always been an advocate for speed there , and ever since they acquired Granderson, it was he that I wanted hitting in the 2 hole……

  67. RMS May 24th, 2010 at 1:56 pm

    Okay, then have base runners stand on first base with their arms folded waiting for something to happen.

  68. Bob(the original) May 24th, 2010 at 1:56 pm

    About a month from now all you whining about Teixeria will be looking pretty foolish.

    Great hitters don’t forget how to hit.

  69. Jerkface May 24th, 2010 at 1:56 pm

    Granderson and Gardner are legitimate base stealing threats. A-rod, Jeter, Winn are guys you send when you desperately need a base and they are all you have. Same with Ramiro Pena, who isn’t really a base stealer.

    You can’t try and change the entire approach of the team when you don’t have the pieces.

    A good start would be re-aligning the batting order:

    Gardner-Swisher-Cano-A-rod-Tex-Miranda-Jeter-Cervelli-Russo

    When Granderson comes back, you can put him in the 2 hole if you want. And kick Jeter down to 8.

    Let Jeter swing away, the top of the order will be seeing 8+ pitches before it gets to Cano and A-rod.

  70. Erica - always OPPC - Sesame Street Mafia and GTLU supporter May 24th, 2010 at 1:56 pm

    The sad part is I actually had to stop and think to remember who was supposed to be in the #2 spot.

    The Opening Day line up feels like a lifetime ago

  71. Mark in Tampa May 24th, 2010 at 1:57 pm

    At least 3 times in the last few games, the Yankees had runners on 2nd and 3rd with no outs, and the heart of the order coming up, and got no runs. That cannot happen ever, to happen this often in this few games is going to mean a losing stretch. It cost them at least one Rays game and at least one of the Mets games.

    They also continue to have a harder time than they should in scoring runners from 3rd with less than 2 outs no matter who is up. That inability cost them at least the one Boston game.

  72. GreenBeret7 May 24th, 2010 at 1:58 pm

    2.2 innings for Melancon. He didn’t give up any of his own runs, but, he did allow an inherited runner to score. gave up 5 hits, 1 walk and 3 strikeouts with a wild pitch. 45 pitches, 30 strikes. Not really that effective.

  73. mick May 24th, 2010 at 2:01 pm

    The myth of Gardner leading off or even 2nd in the order is just that, a myth.
    He, like Cervelli, performed over their heads when we were at full strength.
    Now, when asked to carry the load, they are withering away.

    Bat Gardner 9th, where he was before. He is still hitting in front of Jeter, who will NOT be lowered in the order. Swish up 2nd will take pitches for the both of them to run.

  74. RMS May 24th, 2010 at 2:02 pm

    “Gardner-Swisher-Cano-A-rod-Tex-Miranda-Jeter-Cervelli-Russo”

    Tex protecting Alex? Don’t think so.

  75. GreenBeret7 May 24th, 2010 at 2:02 pm

    Montero is 2-4 with a walk. Last at bat was a line drive up the middle that hit the pitcher and knocked him out of the game. Top of the 9th inning, 6-3 Scranton.

  76. Mark in Tampa May 24th, 2010 at 2:02 pm

    “2.2 innings for Melancon”

    Melancon may be effective someday, but I don’t think that day is close. For all that was said and written about him prior to his first callup; he has been very underwhelming. Not just in results, but the way batters react to his pitches make it seem to me that he has rather average stuff.

  77. Jerkface May 24th, 2010 at 2:04 pm

    Tex protecting Alex? Don?t think so.

    Protection is largely a myth.

  78. Doreen - GTLU Stuff & Photos May 24th, 2010 at 2:09 pm

    Thanks, mick.

  79. Michelle May 24th, 2010 at 2:10 pm

    Gardner’s early hitting success came when he was batting 9th, he needs to be moved back down there. He seems to be pressing hitting at the top of the order. He gets a ton of fastballs to hit early in the count but he isn’t aggressive enough. He needs to swing the bat earlier in the count. Yanks don’t have a perfect #2 hitter but Granderson against righties and Swish against lefties is the best options right now.

  80. raymagnetic May 24th, 2010 at 2:16 pm

    The pitching staff has looked terrible the past week+. When your starters are giving up 6 runs a game you aren’t going to win many games, plain and simple.

    This team was built on the pitching staff and when they struggle the team’s gonna struggle.

    I would guess that the pitching staff has a 6 ERA during this 5-10 stretch

  81. P- May 24th, 2010 at 2:17 pm

    WHATS GONE WRONG??!!??

    1. Nick Johnson

    This guy has nothing, OBP? uhh.. go take a look at his career stats. WIth his injury history, he should never even been thought about more than a fart in the wind.

    2. Hal being cheap and platooning LF

    Losing Damon was all Hal, not Cashman. Matsui is too smart, he saw the penny pinching Hal coming and said I am not going to wait around for this guy.

    3. No Damon/Matsui production

    This lineup is much much less intimidating without Mats and Damon.

    4. Girardi

    He really is not that great of a manager.. Don’t tell me he won the WS last year.. The team won the WS last year. Joe made dumb moves last year just like he does this year and every other year.

    5. REPEAT – CHEAP HAL

    Oh we won a WS we don’t need to spend anymore we gave the fans the WS, we can start saving money now. The guy is an idiot. (don’t believe public perception).

    6. SHAKE THINGS UP

    Mark Tex needs to be moved down the lineup to say the least. NJ needs to be forgotten about, how he ever was considered a 50% replacement for mats or damon is beyond me.

    7. RANDY WINN

    COMPLETELY LOST OFFENSE AND DEFENSE. ENOUGH SAID!

    8. LOSS OF POWER

    How many HR’s do we have right now? Ewwwww.

  82. Jerkface May 24th, 2010 at 2:18 pm

    There is no data which backs up Gardner being exceptional in any position because the sample sizes are too small:

    Batting first: .667 .800 .667 1.467

    2nd: .265 .315 .368 .683

    7th: .273 .429 .273 .701

    8th: .400 .526 .600 1.126

    9th: .286 .344 .321 .666

  83. Cashman needs to go May 24th, 2010 at 2:20 pm

    Gardner-Swisher-Cano-A-rod-Tex-Miranda-Jeter-Cervelli-Russo

    *********************

    Although I kind of like this lineup I have to laugh at it for this one reason.. Jeter’s ego wouldn’t allow him to bat 7th – he’s said so himself that he doesn’t care where they put him as long as its not the 7th, 8th or 9th spot. So basically he’s saying he will not be embarrased by being dropped that low in the lineup.

  84. GreenBeret7 May 24th, 2010 at 2:20 pm

    Jeter, Gardner, Rodriguez and Granderson can steal any time they want and they all steal at a rate of nearly 80% sucess rate. No reason not to run, though, with Cano hitting behind Rodriguez, it’s doubtful that he’ll steal 20+ bases this year. Early this season, they were stealing bases and they were scoring and the team was winning. They haven’t run in 2 and half weeks.

  85. YankeeRay May 24th, 2010 at 2:21 pm

    mick May 24th, 2010 at 1:50 pm
    Why would Tex bat 5th behind Arod?
    Think about that. He?s not hitting and you want to protect Arod with him?

    Maybe 6th to wake him up. That or bench him a game.

    ——-

    He wouldn’t, check my line up above. Tex belongs 5th behind Cano who can protect Arod as good as anyone on this team right now.

  86. Jerkface May 24th, 2010 at 2:22 pm

    If Jeter and A-rod could steal anytime they wanted they’ve have 50+ steals every season. Thats unrealistic. Gardner is, REALISTICALLY, the only guy on that list who can ‘steal any time he wants’. I think Granderson is fast enough and young enough to steal a lot at a good rate.

    A-rod’s hip and Jeter’s declining speed don’t make them safe bets to steal ‘any time they want’.

    A-rod is 2 out of 4 this year on SB.

  87. GreenBeret7 May 24th, 2010 at 2:22 pm

    Scranton beats Louisville 6-3. Here’s the game day box.

    http://web.minorleaguebaseball.....a_louaaa_1

  88. mick May 24th, 2010 at 2:23 pm

    The current roster did not take into account the possibility of injury.
    This is shortsightedness on the part of the GM, not Hal’s fault.
    Hal thinks he is fiscally responsible and has spent enough to win again.
    Not a penny more.

    I would like to know who gagged and tied Hank and where is he?

  89. mick May 24th, 2010 at 2:25 pm

    He wouldn’t, check my line up above. Tex belongs 5th behind Cano who can protect Arod as good as anyone on this team right now.
    ========================
    Doesn’t Cano deserve to be protected? :)

  90. SJ44 May 24th, 2010 at 2:25 pm

    206 million dollar payroll and people are calling Hal “cheap”.

    Blogs are really funny sometimes.

  91. Bret the Hitman May 24th, 2010 at 2:25 pm

    MTU,

    You take fantastic pictures!

    Those scenes remind me of a visit I once made here

    http://www.heyokamagazine.com/.....ment-4.jpg

    It was the site where Geronimo surrendered to Custer.

    Chiricahua is a very spiritual place.

    Did you get that vibe in Hopi land?

  92. Bring in the Goose May 24th, 2010 at 2:25 pm

    Gardner is a part of the solution to the 2010 Yankees.

    He’s just struggling – he’s not as good as he was earlier, and not as bad as he is now.

    I think many of his hits he had off Beckett, etc. were fastballs he took the other way.

    Right now, he’s not getting extended enough to do that again – he’s getting jammed and is bouncing offspeed outer-half plate stuff to the left side of the infield.

    I truly believe he’ll settle in around .260-.270, which should be acceptable.

    He needs to adjust to how pitchers attack him now.

    As for his place in the order…I like him at #9, but I see no better #2 alternative right now.

  93. mick May 24th, 2010 at 2:26 pm

    Doreen
    Hear that song yet?

  94. Jerkface May 24th, 2010 at 2:27 pm

    Gardner has made a lot of outs right at the third baseman, his approach is still solid. He is getting pitched a little tougher in this rough stretch, but it seems like every yankee is.

    Sometimes those slashes to the left side are going to get fielded.

  95. Doreen - GTLU Stuff & Photos May 24th, 2010 at 2:28 pm

    Mick -

    I went to iTunes and I am trying to listen to it as we speak. Don’t ask. :)

  96. Patrick May 24th, 2010 at 2:29 pm

    Jerkface,

    I took your advice and started watching Spartacus. As of last night I’m through 10 episodes (just saw Varro die). You were right, the show is awesome. The pilot was atrocious but since then it’s been pretty great.

  97. Mark in Tampa May 24th, 2010 at 2:30 pm

    “If Jeter and A-rod could steal anytime they wanted they’ve have 50+ steals every season.”

    I think he meant that they have the green light to go anytime they want, and the trust of the manager that they will only go at the right times and when they know they can make it.

    Not that they are capable of stealing anytime against anybody.

  98. Jerkface May 24th, 2010 at 2:30 pm

    Patrick,

    Atleast something swell has come out of his rough patch, then! The season finale of Spartacus > LOST series finale.

  99. Steve May 24th, 2010 at 2:30 pm

    One part of the puzzle should be fixed when Granderson returns for the 4-game Cleveland series.

  100. Joe from Long Island May 24th, 2010 at 2:30 pm

    randy – oh, I never said they should sit still. I firmly believe that successful organizations, whether in sports or anything, should always examine where and who they are, so to speak.

    Clearly, they are not the same team they were a month ago, and strategies that might be effective with one set of players may not work with another. If anyone wants more proof of that, look at the Angels. Same manager, same philosophy, different players, and, viola, a mediocre record.

    Having said that, the players are the ones who play and deliver results. I would expect when the injured players, who are better than their stand-ins, come back, the results will be better. Doesnt’ mean the Yanks should sit still till then, using incorrect strategy for the stand-ins.

  101. Jerkface May 24th, 2010 at 2:31 pm

    I think he meant that they have the green light to go anytime they want, and the trust of the manager that they will only go at the right times and when they know they can make it.

    Not that they are capable of stealing anytime against anybody.

    I’m pretty sure my interpretation was correct, because if what he is saying is that they have the greenlight, then its on them and not the manager.

  102. P- May 24th, 2010 at 2:31 pm

    The entire team is hitting like garbage… they all are swinging at crap.. nobody as bad as Tex I mean Tex has more strikeouts then hits .. LOL.

    This team is getting very frustrating to watch right now no doubt… and if we don’t make any moves soon, this is what we’ll have .. a mediocre team that lost its synergy from last year.

  103. Erica - always OPPC - Sesame Street Mafia and GTLU supporter May 24th, 2010 at 2:31 pm

    Patrick-

    We battle again this week… Are you ready :-)

  104. GreenBeret7 May 24th, 2010 at 2:33 pm

    For the most part, Gardner is an ideal #2 hitter in that he sees a lot of pitches, makes contact, has speed, draws walks and gets hits. The problem is that his hits usually can’t move a runner two bases, meaning he can’t steal 2nd base. That means that #8 or #9 spot is his ideal spot for the time being.

  105. mick May 24th, 2010 at 2:34 pm

    Why no word from Cash?
    Is he busy watching Hank in the basement?
    Injuries are the obvious reason we are struggling but maybe a few words might lighten the load a little.

  106. randy l. May 24th, 2010 at 2:35 pm

    “So you want to transform the Yankees mid-season from one kind of team to another. ”

    that’s about it.

    i started getting really ticked off when the yankees didn’t make victor martinez prove he can throw in the last series.

    you have to admit that’s pretty pathetic to attempt one stolen base off a guy who couldn’t throw a few weeks earlier.

    may he had a sore arm that was healing.

    why not find out of you can unheal it?

    the yankees let the red sox and martinez off the hook which is par for the course with girardi.
    he just plods along going by his book . he even has a dated boring version of the book which is even worse.

    now with martinez back to being a solid throwing catcher ( he must be if the yankees didn’t run on him) the red sox are a team to reckon with again. martinez is a player that gives that critical mass( that cb was talking about earlier) to the rest of the red sox lineup.

    matter of fact they have the advantage at catcher again.

    i’m sorry , but girardi is just plain missing the point that his station to station baseball isn’t working.

  107. Billy D May 24th, 2010 at 2:35 pm

    The following is from an April 2010 piece in Forbes. Before jumping on the Steinbrenner clan for perceived cheapness (and perceived is all it is), folks really need to have some appreciation of the debt the organization absorbed with the new stadium.:

    No one has enjoyed more financial and competitive success than the billionaire owner of the New York Yankees, George Steinbrenner. Worth $1.6 billion before debt, the Yankees are the most valuable team in baseball. A new stadium and a 27th World Series championship helped to push revenue up 7% to $440 million last year.

    But the new $1.1 billion stadium has saddled Steinbrenner with crushing debt. In fact, net of debt, the Yankees are worth just $181 million. Still, Steinbrenner keeps his billionaire status thanks to his stake in the Yankee’s regional sports channel, the YES network. Forbes valued Steinbrenner’s fortune at $1.1 billion in its 2010 list of the World’s Billionaires, down from $1.3 billion in 2009 as his Yankees debt took a bite from his fortune.

  108. Jerkface May 24th, 2010 at 2:35 pm

    I think Gardner leadoff is the best spot. He sees alot of pitches and isn’t afraid of hitting with 2 strikes. If you HAVE to keep Jeter at the top, put him in the 2 spot where he should be more comfortable swinging away.

    Gardner is the one guy we have who could reliably attempt a steal every time he reaches base, and it’ll open up the hole on the 1st base side because they have to hold him.

    Damon 1-Jeter 2 wasn’t that great because Damon had good speed and could steal, but wasn’t a threat to go every time. So he was still on 1st often enough for Jeter to GIDP.

  109. mick May 24th, 2010 at 2:35 pm

    bases, meaning he can’t steal 2nd base. That means that #8 or #9 spot is his ideal spot for the time being.
    ======================
    In front of Jeter where he belongs.

  110. Doreen - GTLU Stuff & Photos May 24th, 2010 at 2:37 pm

    mick -

    I heard a snippet of it but I liked what I heard. I think between the guitar and the vocal, it would definitely be a good song for Lee. It was hard to tell from the small sample I heard, but it sounded like there might be some emotional range too?

  111. Jerkface May 24th, 2010 at 2:38 pm

    If you bat Gardner 9th you’re giving more AB’s to guys who don’t deserve it, like Winn / Russo / Cervelli. Gardner is one of our most effective hitters. You have to give him more ops than the worse batters.

    In a full lineup you bat Gardner 9th. Short handed you can’t afford it.

  112. GreenBeret7 May 24th, 2010 at 2:39 pm

    I’m pretty sure my interpretation was correct, because if what he is saying is that they have the green light, then its on them and not the manager.

    ———————————————————————————————————————-

    Once again, you’re wrong. Don’t try interpreting what I said because you’re not good at it. Girardi has given those five players the green light to run when they want to. The others run on orders.

  113. mick May 24th, 2010 at 2:39 pm

    yes doreen definitely a song for Lee, can you contact him? :)

    lots of range to explore.

    why can’t you hear the entire song?

  114. Mark in Tampa May 24th, 2010 at 2:40 pm

    Is it best to have Gardner in front of Jeter with Jeter’s propensity to swing at everything he sees this year? And not only that, to hit quite a few of those first pitches on the ground to short.

  115. randy l. May 24th, 2010 at 2:40 pm

    “It was the site where Geronimo surrendered to Custer.”

    the problem was geronimo was playing station to station cowboys and indians instead of hit and run raids and stealing as much as possible :)

  116. Patrick May 24th, 2010 at 2:41 pm

    Atleast something swell has come out of his rough patch, then! The season finale of Spartacus > LOST series finale.

    I believe that. I don’t hate the LOST ending like a lot of people do but it was nothing special.

  117. Jerkface May 24th, 2010 at 2:42 pm

    Once again, you?re wrong. Don?t try interpreting what I said because you?re not good at it. Girardi has given those five players the green light to run when they want to. The others run on orders.

    Then everyone should be blaming the players (outside of Gardner) for not stealing and not Girardi. A-rod and Jeter are smart base runners, they aren’t going to steal unless they know they are going to get it. Not to mention Granderson hasn’t even been in the lineup for a month, and when he was he stopped getting on base.

    You also only mentioned 4 players.

  118. Billy D May 24th, 2010 at 2:42 pm

    “If you bat Gardner 9th you’re giving more AB’s to guys who don’t deserve it,”

    Gardner’s dumped about 50 points in batting average over the last 20 games or so. Not sure he’s showing he deserves it anymore than the next guy at this point.

  119. raymagnetic May 24th, 2010 at 2:43 pm

    The way Gardner has looked the past couple of weeks I’m not sure if he is one of the more effective hitters.

  120. mick May 24th, 2010 at 2:43 pm

    Try YouTube, Doreen.

  121. randy l. May 24th, 2010 at 2:44 pm

    “I think Gardner leadoff is the best spot”

    i agree.

    that’s a start.

    if girardi did that it utilizes gardner and changes the dynamic of the team.

    plus jeter needs a change. he’s in a rut.

    and when gardner gets on ahead of jeter , he should run sooner than later.

  122. mick May 24th, 2010 at 2:44 pm

    Gardner will be gone soon in a trade for Crawford.

  123. Doreen - GTLU Stuff & Photos May 24th, 2010 at 2:44 pm

    mick -

    ‘Cause I don’t own the song (yet). I went to the iTunes store and they give you 20 seconds of the song to sample.

    Wish I knew him to contact him. :lol:

    I thought we owned a Counting Crows CD but we don’t. I think I may need to remedy that. (Although I won’t buy a CD, I’ll download digital.)

  124. champ809 May 24th, 2010 at 2:44 pm

    I gotta say it gets crazier and crazier on this blog everyday.

    Most of the guys on here that have the radical solutions on how to shake up the Yanks don’t even know what they’re watching when they watch a ballgame on TV much less how to manage or put together a veteran roster.

    The same yokels who now want to drop Jeter to 7th because he’s been slumping for 3 1/2 weeks probably are the ones who wanted to run Torrre out of town for dropping ARod to 7th in the order in an elimination game when he was 1 for 50.

    This is not a roster of overachievers that Bobby V can reshuffle every night and take credit for an offensive breakout. This is a team of mostly HOF caliber veterans and the last thing that Girardi wants to do is lose his clubhouse by panicking and overmanaging them.

    It’s funny actually Girardi gets criticized (deservedly so at times) for overmanaging and now the idea is for him to overdo it with the overmanaging? Really?

  125. Doreen - GTLU Stuff & Photos May 24th, 2010 at 2:46 pm

    mick =

    Ah, yes. Youtube. I don’t automatically do these things. :lol:

  126. NYY626 May 24th, 2010 at 2:46 pm

    does the person who said Jeter refuses to bat 7 – 9 because of his ego have a link to this article/interview? Just wondering.

  127. mick May 24th, 2010 at 2:47 pm

    Do what Billy Martin did.

    Throw the names in a hat and randomly pull them out.

    Voila, there’s your lineup.

    They won that game.

  128. MTU (aka GBURL) May 24th, 2010 at 2:48 pm

    Brett-

    Thanks. Nice picture.

    First and foremost I am a hiker but I have to say that being in the presence of the remains of a 700 year civilization is, if not spiritual, awe-inspiring to say the least.

    What these people were able to accomplish with so little was really amazing. Their building skills were phenomenal. Why they left a mystery although there are many theories.

    When visiting wild places it gives me a certain kind of feeling that might be described as spiritual. It certainly is peaceful and beautiful, and I truly love it.

    That much I can say with certainty.

  129. Patrick May 24th, 2010 at 2:49 pm

    Why is the lineup the main concern right now? It’s not just the lineup that’s been the problem. Or the bullpen. Over this stretch of losing it’s been the starting rotation that hasn’t performed. Everyone but Vazquez (funny enough..) has had poor starts recently.

  130. Steve May 24th, 2010 at 2:51 pm

    mick May 24th, 2010 at 2:44 pm
    Gardner will be gone soon in a trade for Crawford.

    _________________

    The Rays and the Yankees have seldom, if ever, did transactions with the Rays.

  131. Jerkface May 24th, 2010 at 2:51 pm

    Patrick,

    I think the lineup is a problem. They have done a lot of ‘garbage time’ offense in 9th while down by a lot. Some of that is on the pitching for putting them in that situation, but no one is really hitting well at the moment. More than a few of their runs have come on defensive errors by the opposition.

  132. GreenBeret7 May 24th, 2010 at 2:51 pm

    randy l. May 24th, 2010 at 2:40 pm
    “It was the site where Geronimo surrendered to Custer.”

    the problem was geronimo was playing station to station cowboys and indians instead of hit and run raids and stealing as much as possible

    ———————————————————————————————————————-

    Not sure who thought that geronimo surrendered to GA Custer, but, that’s wrong. He surrendered to B Troop, 4th US Cavalry. Captain Henry Lawton was the Commanding officer of B Troop and 1LT Charles Gatewood was his XO. That’s why the city outside of Ft Sill, OK is named “Lawton”. Ft sill is where Geronimo lived the rest of his life, selling autographed pictures of himself and blankets to the visitors untill he died. He is buried on Ft. Sill.

  133. Jerkface May 24th, 2010 at 2:52 pm

    The yankees almost lost a game in which Vazquez threw 6 1 hit shutout innings. Thats ridiculous. Against the mets!

  134. MTU (aka GBURL) May 24th, 2010 at 2:53 pm

    Randy-

    “indians instead of hit and run raids and stealing as much as possible ”

    No, he did. He just ran into a team like the “Yankees” with superior power. ;)

  135. GreenBeret7 May 24th, 2010 at 2:55 pm

    Gardner hasn’t stolen a base in 8 games and 1 base in the last 11 games. He’s not running either.

  136. P- May 24th, 2010 at 2:55 pm

    Patrick, but it’s are SP that has got us the wins we have thus far. Our offense just hasn’t done much at all this year.. in fact, it’s been a long time since I’ve been so bored watching this team hit.

  137. Jerkface May 24th, 2010 at 2:56 pm

    Another problem is power, 51 hits in the last 5 games, only 11 XBH. 19 Walks 41 K’s :(

  138. Billy D May 24th, 2010 at 2:59 pm

    GB:

    How much for your autographed Geronimo picture?

  139. Billy D May 24th, 2010 at 3:00 pm

    “The Rays and the Yankees have seldom, if ever, did transactions with the Rays.”

    I’d guess it’s NEVER in the case of the Rays.

  140. Pat M. May 24th, 2010 at 3:00 pm

    Club’s Flat right now

  141. mick May 24th, 2010 at 3:00 pm

    Cesar Geronimo?
    Played for the Big Red Machine.

  142. Tom in N.J. May 24th, 2010 at 3:02 pm

    Geronimo Berroa use to kill the Yankees.

    I hated that guy

  143. Jerkface May 24th, 2010 at 3:02 pm

    Gardner has been on base 11 times in the last 8 games.

    He was picked off once, he had once chance to steal with 2 outs and Tex up. Tex went 1-2 and then struck out. The next chance he was down 8 runs.

    So he had 3 chances out of 11 times on base to steal. He was picked off once, didn’t go once, and was down 8 runs once and probably should have taken off on defensive indifference but didn’t.

  144. mick May 24th, 2010 at 3:04 pm

    And they say speed doesn’t slump.

  145. Mixinitup May 24th, 2010 at 3:04 pm

    Why would the Rays look to trade anyone, let alone Crawford, when they are doing so well? They know they will have to give up some of their players after this season but the Rays feel pretty good about their ability to draft talent.

    From all I’ve heard, they are trying to make the push this year to get to the top and win the championship. They’ll take the draft picks for the player and roll along. I don’t see them trading anyone unless its to improve their team.

  146. austinmac May 24th, 2010 at 3:05 pm

    I think Gardner should hit lower in the order. His running, if he gets on base more regularly, would still be limited by power bats behind him. I don’t want Tex or AROD taking pitches they can drive to give Gardner a change to run. I do think Gardner is having some of the issues I worried about earlier. However, he is still having some decent at bats and making the pitchers throw a lot of pitches.

    When will Granderson be deemed ready? He has had about 10 at bats but has only played 5 innings in the field. He needs to hit second against right handers, and Swisher against lefties.

  147. ray (sox fan) May 24th, 2010 at 3:06 pm

    Good day GB.

    I didn’t have a chance to respond to your message last night. My children are grown up and I am divorced so I headed up here to Alaska solo, but I am having a great time.

    My Sox seem to have a little bit of momentum going now, but that could change in a hurry facing Tampa Bay. I thought Tampa would be good this year but didn’t anticipate them being this good at least this far through the season.

    As for your Yankees I have to believe that Tex will turn things around at the plate. I still think he was an excellent pick up for you guys and wish the Sox had been willing to go one extra mile to sign him. I think as much as any player he shifted the balance of power to you guys.

    Ortiz is having a momentary lift in his production, but I would be willing to bet the house that the Sox don’t extend his option at the end of the year.

  148. Billy D May 24th, 2010 at 3:07 pm

    “Why would the Rays look to trade anyone, let alone Crawford, when they are doing so well?”

    Exactly. Barring a collapse of mounmental proportions between now and late July, Crawford is there to stay this year. He won’t be back, but they seem somewhat comfortable with the idea that Dexter Jennings can be an adequate replacement if he remains healthy.

  149. Doreen - GTLU Stuff & Photos May 24th, 2010 at 3:08 pm

    Every year they go into a deep team-wide slump. Sometimes there’s injured players involved, too. And every year we have the Bill Martin “pull the names out of the hat” scenario (I think I’ve said it myself in the past). And every year we have the “they should play more small ball” scenario. And every year no matter what is tried, the slump continues until it’s ready to pass. And it shall pass.

    I think we feel helpless on this end, because we can only watch and because we have limited information. But Girardi is not stupid or stubborn and he doesn’t live in the middle of Red Sox nation and he has the perspective of someone who has played the game himself on the major league level and who has won a manager of the year award managing a team that wasn’t the same team he thought he was getting when he took the job and getting them to perform way above what was anticipated.

    I am not saying Girardi can’t or doesn’t make mistakes and I’m not saying he’s perfect and above being questioned or criticized. But I’m feeling like to make panic moves at this point is exactly the wrong thing to do. Moving Jeter to the bottom of the order could be a panic move. Making too many changes at once could be a panic move. I think he needs to play with the spots he plays with every day – #2, #7, #8 and #9 and sometimes #6. There’s enough leeway there. Don’t mess with the bones – Jeter, Tex, Arod & Cano. Fit the other guys around them. I definitely would put Gardner #9 and Swisher at #2. I would have Grandy at #7 for a while. #6 and #8 I’m not sure. When Posada comes back, you can revisit.

  150. austinmac May 24th, 2010 at 3:08 pm

    On GB’s behalf, I would like to say Geronimo died before he was born. Geronimo died in 1909 and GB was born until the teens. Isn’t that right? Now me, I remember Geronimo’s death well.

  151. MTU (aka GBURL) May 24th, 2010 at 3:14 pm

    Austin-

    I beg to differ. I think GB knew Geronimo extremely well otherwise how do you explain the fact that every time GB jumped out of a plane he always called out his name ?

    They were close. :)

  152. SJ44 May 24th, 2010 at 3:15 pm

    Carl Crawford isn’t getting traded. He will leave as a free agent at the end of the year.

    There aren’t going to be any fantasy trades to snap the team out of it.

    Play better and get healthy and things will take care of itself.

  153. Wave Your Hat May 24th, 2010 at 3:15 pm

    You can shake up the lineup all you want and it won’t have more than a marginal effect on the number of runs the Yanks score.

    You can change the Yanks from a power hitting team to a speed team and the result will be a huge drop in the number of runs the Yanks score. Now with the power hitters slumping or injured we are already getting a big drop in runs scored so either way you just have to face the reality of fewer runs scored than we all thought they would.

    The Yanks’ offense ultimately lives and dies with Teixeira and ARod. They both have to start hitting.

    Jeter’s slump doesn’t worry me, but his slump combined with the way he looks in the field does worry me.

  154. GreenBeret7 May 24th, 2010 at 3:21 pm

    ray (sox fan) May 24th, 2010 at 3:06 pm
    Good day GB.

    I didn’t have a chance to respond to your message last night. My children are grown up and I am divorced so I headed up here to Alaska solo, but I am having a great time.

    My Sox seem to have a little bit of momentum going now, but that could change in a hurry facing Tampa Bay. I thought Tampa would be good this year but didn’t anticipate them being this good at least this far through the season.

    As for your Yankees I have to believe that Tex will turn things around at the plate. I still think he was an excellent pick up for you guys and wish the Sox had been willing to go one extra mile to sign him. I think as much as any player he shifted the balance of power to you guys.

    Ortiz is having a momentary lift in his production, but I would be willing to bet the house that the Sox don’t extend his option at the end of the year.

    ———————————————————————————————————————-

    afternoon, Ray. You should have rented a family to take with you…at least rent a wife. That’s great that you’re having a great time. Make sure to post your pix when you get back. What a great place to vacation.

    Yeah, things have sort of flipped on the 2 teams, but, NYYs going to spend a lot of time against the lower ranked teams and playing at home, while Boston hits the road. Not sure what Teixeira’s trouble is, but, yeah, he’s way to good to have this go much further. I’m torn between Boston winning the Tampa games so NYYs get closer or Boston losing and falling further off the pace. Maybe a a Boston 2-1 series win would be best for NYYs. Enjoy your time up there and be safe on the road.

  155. GreenBeret7 May 24th, 2010 at 3:25 pm

    Mac, you and MTU are fast moving into the same “Revenge Against Randy” area. Randy quakes in his sandels at the very mention of my name. You’d better be nice or, I’ll open up with my best stuff against you.

  156. Mark in Tampa May 24th, 2010 at 3:25 pm

    I think Brett Gardner is doing fine for the Yanks, and can be star soon, or at least as close to a star as a player can be w/o 20 HR power.

    A couple of things I would like to see him improve, though, to be an elite basestealer:

    1 He doesn’t seem to read lefties very well. Elite basestealers often say they find it easier to read lefties b/c you can see what they are doing. Of course, most of them never went against Pettitte, but neither does Gardner.

    2 He needs to be more confident and proficient about stealing third. With his speed, he should find third easier to steal-Rickey always said third was easier to steal if you had the speed. Gardner seems tentative about getting a good lead and jump from second base.

    3 He needs to be able to go on any pitch, not just after being at first a bit and seeing the move. I am sure he has, but I don’t remember him stealing on the first pitch. If he is truly going to be serious about being a great basestealer, he should be studying all the pitchers all the time, to at least get a mental book on their moves, if not actual written notes.

    He has the speed to be great, if he studies his craft, he can get there. Bear in mind, I don’t consider any of today’s players to be elite basestealers, though a few are close. I am talking about guys who studied it, thought about it all the time, and committed 100% to stealing. Guys like Rickey Henderson, Lou Brock, Vince Coleman, and Davey Lopes, among others.

  157. trisha - OPPC member who sees, hears, and knows all. 28 is on its way!!!!! May 24th, 2010 at 3:29 pm

    Chad, I haven’t read any of the day’s posts but instead just your lead ins. Thank you for taking the time to give the forum much-needed (IMO) perspective.

    I think that most posters, well many posters anyway, would probably have been able to apply perspective themselves but for the fact that the “wrong” end of the equation seemed to happen all at once and it most areas!

    There are posters who were able to remove themselves far enough away from the immediate implosions that they could sort things out and bring out the same points you have brought out – yes Joba was terrible on certain recent dates but he was very good before that and very good again since. And you also point out that bullpen inconsistency isn’t an unusual phenomenon. Add to it the Yankee injuries – and who knows if players are coming back too soon just to try to help right the ship – well then on paper you have a formula for here-and-now disaster.

    To simplify the whole thing, because there is so much going wrong at this point in time, everyone is pressing. It’s a team effort if you will. Starting pitching is probably trying to be too fine and hitting is trying to get runs with one swing, and everyone is probably trying a little too hard – and we always know the result when a player presses. Well when just about the whole team is doing it, everything is out of synch.

    The magic is in how it actually comes back together. Maybe the return of injured players does more than just adds bats to the lineup. I think there is a psychological component there. It appears to me that as soon as the Sux knew that Ellsbury was just minor league assignments away from returning, everyone relaxed and things turned around.

    I’m still not impressed or worried about the Sux. If the Yankees hadn’t seen their fortunes put on hold, it really wouldn’t have mattered what the Sux were doing. And as soon as the Yanks start to turn it around – tomorrow night for example – things will get back in the right direction.

    GO RAYS!!!!!

  158. randy l. May 24th, 2010 at 4:04 pm

    “I’m still not impressed or worried about the Sux. If the Yankees hadn’t seen their fortunes put on hold, it really wouldn’t have mattered what the Sux were doing. And as soon as the Yanks start to turn it around – tomorrow night for example – things will get back in the right direction.”

    seeing how the red sox have made up about 6-7 games in a little over a week and the yankees have been playing at a 10-15 rate with one of their best players in posada out for another month, the positive energy stuff is pure bunk.

    this team is in trouble and needs someone to make some changes with a sense of urgency instead of continuing a policy of wishful thinking.

    girardi is doing nothing to change their approach and is just playing out something that’s not working and isn’t going to work.

    when the red sox pass the yankees in the standings which could be in the next week or so, then we’ll see girardi and cashman snap out of their funk.

    until then , they are going to plug along with their overly optimistic winter plan that was based on people who aren’t there anymore or are not performing.

    the 10-15 record is not an aberration. the yankees earned it by the way they played.

  159. CanoJOBAJeterFan May 25th, 2010 at 2:53 pm

    . . . Joba is still inconsistent – in your eyes.

    The entire team is inconsistent currently. Your bias makes Joba a target for you. Where is the “mad” icon you posted last week against Joba’s name?

    Fans. this Yankee team is too talented to remain in this slump very long. They will be fine and back on the road to the WS.

  160. CanoJOBAJeterFan May 25th, 2010 at 3:03 pm

    MTU,

    Great slides of your recent visit to the southwest. Geronimo was a great leader. It was sad that he ended up at Fort Sill.

    Another great leader and strategist was Chief Joseph of the Nez Perce in Idaho. Recently we were at the place in White Bird when the Nez Perce war began. When you see the hills it is hard to imagine taking woman & children over those hills. But beautiful this time of year.

    Also among the informational plaques is this: The Nez Perce reservation included parts of Idaho, Oregon and Washinton. The reservation was diminished 90 %. That is a true and sad fact. No wonder I turned into a bitter old lady!

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