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Postgame notes: Waiting on a decision

Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Notes, Podcast on May 26, 2010 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

Yankees Twins BaseballIf tomorrow goes exactly as A.J. Burnett wants it to go, the Yankees will score a few runs in the first inning — actually the sixth — and make Burnett a winning pitcher on a day he doesn’t pitch.

Isn’t that what Burnett will be rooting for?

“Believe it,” he said.

Burnett pitched well tonight, especially in those last three innings when he retired nine straight at one point and looked like the dominant pitcher we saw in April. Four of his last six outs were strikeouts.

“Even in the first I felt like I was a little off,” he said. “But I really started to feel the correct turn, the correct balance, the correct everything in the third and fourth really. After the first I felt pretty good.”

Said Joe Girardi: “He was really good. Attacked the strike zone. Got a lot of ground ball outs. And when he was going good, that’s what he was doing.”

He’ll wait until tomorrow to find out whether it was enough to win.

Here’s Girardi’s postgame — mid-game? — media session.

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• Burnett didn’t go into specifics, but he did say this: “I used certain fastballs differently and pitched some guys differently than I normally would, and saw some positive results from those.”

• As you might expect, Girardi would not announce who his first pitcher will be tomorrow’s game. He said everyone will find out when he tells a pitcher to start getting loose in the bullpen. Just a guess, but it could be one of the left-handed relievers, because three of the first four Twins due up are left-handed.

• As for whether he needs extra relievers to get through 13 innings tomorrow, Girardi said he think the team will be alright, but he’ll talk to Brian Cashman about possibly having a pitcher on standby similar to when Jonathan Albaladejo was on standby during the Detroit doubleheader. “Obviously Serge can give you a lot of pitches,” Girardi said.

• The Yankees could have won this game had they taken advantage of that two-on, no-out situation in the fourth, but the heart of the order couldn’t so much as bring the lead runner to third base. “It’s all part of managing,” Girardi said. “It’s all understanding the ups and downs of the game and knowing that it’s going to change. It could change tomorrow.”

• Said Mark Teixeira: “It’s the ebb and flow of a season. Obviously we haven’t been swinging the bats like we’re capable of, but everyone’s working hard. Everyone’s trying to get the job done and I have a good feeling we’re going to bounce back.”

• Pretty funny line from Girardi about how quickly the crew got the tarp on the field, after not having a rain delay in this city in nearly 30 years: “I wonder how many times they practiced?”

• Teixeira on his personal struggles: “This is my eighth year. I’ve had a lot of ups, a lot of downs. I’ve never tried to reinvent myself.”

• No one thought to ask Girardi, but it could be interesting to see how he uses his catchers tomorrow. We could see Chad Moeller’s first start in the second game. Obviously you’d rather use Moeller in the shortened restart and save Francisco Cervelli for the full game, but that would mean taking Cervelli out of the first game and not having him available for those final four innings.

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391 Responses to “Postgame notes: Waiting on a decision”

  1. Bret the Hitman May 26th, 2010 at 12:22 am

    Rich,

    If the Royals wanted Gardner, I’d have to think long and hard about it although I would prefer to deal Gardner in the off season when can replace him with Crawford.

    Winn’s state of play has really hurt Cashman’s flexibility in the OF.

    I’d hate to play Winn in LF with Thames and Russo but then again, I’d hate to pass up Joakim Soria if the Royals still like BG.

  2. z May 26th, 2010 at 12:25 am

    I saw the name Jonathan Albaladejo and my heart skipped a beat.

    I had to re-read that just to make sure Chad wasn’t intimating he might be called up

  3. m May 26th, 2010 at 12:25 am

    Thanks, Chad (and pat).

    Totally against either Logan or Damaso started the suspended game. They’re both LOOGY’s. If that at all.

    Just put Sergio in and treat it like a start because at 0-0, it just might turn out that way.

    Go, Yankee bats.

  4. Jason May 26th, 2010 at 12:27 am

    Let Logan pitch the 6th tomorrow

  5. UnKnown May 26th, 2010 at 12:27 am

    Well tomorrow is a long day for baseball. Got wet tonight at the game, but hoping for two wins tomorrow.

  6. m May 26th, 2010 at 12:30 am

    Got to put in a long/swing guy. Why burn through your bullpen with a game to start 30 min thereafter?

  7. Rich in NJ May 26th, 2010 at 12:31 am

    I really hate using a bad lefty merely because of handedness, and Logan is a bad lefty.

    Brett

    The Royals would start by asking for Montero plus. They might come down to Romine plus. Either way, no thanks.

  8. pat May 26th, 2010 at 12:32 am

    “On a blog full of crazy, you might be the sanest one here.”

    Thanks? Sort of like being the one who’s the least drunk at last call- It’s all a matter of degree, I guess. :wink:

  9. Rich in NJ May 26th, 2010 at 12:33 am

    Sorry I misspelled your name, Bret.

  10. Ghost May 26th, 2010 at 12:33 am

    Can’t burn Joba and MO in the early game. One needs to be available incase we have a save situation in the night game as well.

  11. Bret the Hitman May 26th, 2010 at 12:36 am

    Rich,

    I don’t think so.

    Soria isn’t so lights out this year.

    http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/.....erId=28688

    The Royals were all over Gardner in the off season.

    If he’s their leadoff hitter every day, it gives the fans the most excitement at the top of their order since Brett Butler.

    The Yanks would have to include more than just Gardner, but Gardner is a strong start to the package since he has leadoff potential, takes pitches, works pitchers, takes walks, steals bases, makes contact, scores runs and plays CF. Day in day out, he’d be an important cog in their offense since they don’t have the glamorous hitters and must scrape for runs.

    Gardner+ McAllister would do it.

  12. CR9 May 26th, 2010 at 12:36 am

    Nick

    Sent you an email!

  13. Joseph May 26th, 2010 at 12:38 am

    Watch Girardi play matchup and only have Mitre available in the 2nd game

    Marte gets in trouble in the 6th and he goes to Robertson vs. a righty to get out of trouble
    Robertson starts the 7th, gets in trouble, Logan comes in to face 1 lefty, Park gets the final out vs. a righty
    Joba for the 8th, MO for the 9th.

  14. Nick in SF May 26th, 2010 at 12:38 am

    Strictly a compliment, pat!

    I think I would tentatively support using Logan or Marte to start the 6th — that would probably take one of them out of play for the second game. :?

    (okay, give it to Mitre)

  15. Nick in SF May 26th, 2010 at 12:39 am

    CR9, I will go look right now.

  16. 7789 May 26th, 2010 at 12:41 am

    Joakim Soria is one of the better closers in the game. The yanks are going to have to give up either montero or romine for him.

  17. CR9 May 26th, 2010 at 12:44 am

    I figured out why the Yankees struggle on West Coast Road Trips!!

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CTVJTt-Gfx8

  18. Bret the Hitman May 26th, 2010 at 12:46 am

    No team is giving the Royals a prospect of Montero or Romine’s caliber for Soria.

  19. Rolex May 26th, 2010 at 12:47 am

    Royals need a CF, so give them Gardner.

    And we give KC Melancon to replace Soria. They fill 2 needs with good cheap young players. For a team not going anywhere, that would be a nice way to rebuild – trade commodities to fill multiple needs.

    If they don’t want Gardner, but want Pena instead to be their SS, 2B, 3B, we can do that also.

  20. Bret the Hitman May 26th, 2010 at 12:48 am

    Plus at this point, Gardner’s value is approaching Ellsbury levels.

    Would the Sox deal Ellsbury for Joakim Soria?

  21. Rich in NJ May 26th, 2010 at 12:48 am

    Bret

    A former Royals GM wanted Phil Hughes for Reggie Sanders. Rationality doesn’t necessarily matter. No one wants to help the Yankees. Plus, what does trading Soria say to their fans?

  22. Rich in NJ May 26th, 2010 at 12:48 am

    The RS would, the Royals wouldn’t.

  23. CR9 May 26th, 2010 at 12:49 am

    I dont usually get into possible trades. But I dont think the Yankees would give up a best prospect in baseball like Romine or Montero for Soria.

    Nor do I think that the Royals would demand that, even from us. Wishful thinking, maybe.

    Im not sure if I would do what Rolex said, but his ideas are more than plausible.

  24. Bret the Hitman May 26th, 2010 at 12:50 am

    Heck I’d give them any combination of Gardner, Pena, Miranda, Melancon, McAllister, Laird, Adams.

  25. m May 26th, 2010 at 12:50 am

    What?! Melancon is our future closer!

    :/

    I don’t know, the Yankees kind of like Gardner. Who were the other teams who “inquired” about Gardner? I think SD was one.

  26. Jon C May 26th, 2010 at 12:51 am

    Sox don’t have to give up Ellsbury.

    Theo calls KC for Soria and they agree swap him for Delcarmen!

  27. the gay Yankee fan May 26th, 2010 at 12:51 am

    If the Yankees trade Gardner during this season (I surely doubt they would), you can be sure this team will not win anything this year.

    He is a big and very important part of this team like it or not although some of you don’t or can’t see it.

    He really is their only burner and without him they will immediately look slow and old.

  28. Bret the Hitman May 26th, 2010 at 12:56 am

    Laird is .300 in AA with 8 HR’s.

    He’s a 3b or 1b.

    Gardner is .300 with near .400 SB and 50 SB potential.

    Pena is capable of winning a gold glove if he ever figures out hitting.

    Miranda has Morales upside with his power swing.

    Adams is one of the top 2b prospects in all of baseball.

    McAllister would start on their staff.

  29. Crook May 26th, 2010 at 12:57 am

    Russo can more than adequately replace Gardner in LF

    Also, move Miranda while his value is high.

    No position here, yet has power and patience and is only 25.

  30. 7789 May 26th, 2010 at 12:57 am

    Bret the Hitman May 26th, 2010 at 12:48 am
    Plus at this point, Gardner’s value is approaching Ellsbury levels.

    Would the Sox deal Ellsbury for Joakim Soria?

    ———————————

    I do agree he is a very similar player to Ellsbury. Even Gardner numbers last year would be similar to Ellsbury if he played a full season. The only question with Gardner is can he keep it up for an entire season playing everyday.

    Anyway even if they didn’t give up one of there catchers they would still ask for alot. Maybe like Gardner, Ivan Nova and Robertson

  31. Bret the Hitman May 26th, 2010 at 12:57 am

    .400 obp

    oops

  32. m May 26th, 2010 at 12:59 am

    I don’t know, I’m not convinced. I need Chip to weigh in on the subject. :)

    Where is Chip?

  33. Jerkface May 26th, 2010 at 1:01 am

    White Sox, Padres, and Royals were all hot on Gardner

  34. Bret the Hitman May 26th, 2010 at 1:01 am

    They might even ask for Gardner, Laird/Adams + Robertson.

    No team can top that package for Soria.

    I would just hate HATE having Thames start most games in LF with Winn coming in as a late inning defensive replacement and Russo being worked into the rotation. That’d be a 3 headed monster out there but we’d find our future closer in Soria and can gamble with house money on getting Joba back into the rotation in 2011. With Soria, Joba isn’t as essential to the pen.

  35. Rich in NJ May 26th, 2010 at 1:02 am

    We don’t really know what Gardner is despite 193 ML games. Russo has played like 4. We have no idea what he is or whether or not Russo could replace Gardner.

    If Gardner is traded, and Granderson gets hurt again, who plays CF?

  36. Bret the Hitman May 26th, 2010 at 1:03 am

    And with Granderson and Posada healthy, Tex producing and Arod’s power hopefully returning, the Yankees won’t lose too much between Thames and Gardner.

    The pen would be lights out with Joakim Soria as a bridge to Mo.

  37. CR9 May 26th, 2010 at 1:04 am

    Bret

    You’re 1:01 post makes so much sense.

    I dont think I could handle Thames/Winn out there everyday!

  38. Crook May 26th, 2010 at 1:04 am

    Rich,

    Golson.

  39. m May 26th, 2010 at 1:04 am

    That’s right. I remember the White Sox was one of the teams.

    Gardner’s cooled off for sure, but I think he’s proved he’s an everyday player. Even with things to learn yet.

  40. truth always hurts May 26th, 2010 at 1:05 am

    An All Star vote for Tex is ridiculous. He is leading the AL 1st base vote. Does anyone realize
    he’s been in a slump for almost three quarters of a year?

    Go back to the last quarter of last year. He was the weakest offensive player the entire postseason as he hit .180, now he’s hitting .203 after 45 games of this year.

    If this guy is an All Star, then the voting should be taken out of the hands of the fans!!

    C’mon as a Yankees fan do you want to be embarrassed by him striking out, every at bat?

  41. m May 26th, 2010 at 1:05 am

    No way that Russo could play an OF like Gardner.

    I know what Gardner is, Russo’s future is a little more cloudy. Could he be a Chone Figgins type? A super UT player that plays everyday?

  42. CR9 May 26th, 2010 at 1:06 am

    Gardner has struggled a bit recently with the stick, but he has shown he can hack it defensively. Also, despite his offensive struggles, he has shown an ability to get the bat on the ball, get deep into counts, and that he is definitely a everyday player for at least 1 team in baseball.

    And as for his offensive struggles, who knows if that has to do with pressing on his part to get on base, due to the rest of the teams struggles.

    He did steal us several runs during his hot stretch, and helped us win some games!

  43. Mike May 26th, 2010 at 1:06 am

    What contending team needs a closer? Maybe only Philly.

    Sox – Papelbon
    Rays – Soriano
    Tigers – Valverde
    Twins – Rauch (thought they might want an upgrade)
    Texas – Feliz
    Angels – Rodney? Fuentes? Add them to the list, maybe.
    Phillies – Madson? Lidge?
    Mets – KRod
    Braves – Wagner
    Cards – Franklin
    Reds – Cordero
    Dodgers – Broxton
    Rocks – Street
    Giants – Wilson
    Padres – Bell

    A lot of teams could use him as an 8th inning guy though.

  44. the gay Yankee fan May 26th, 2010 at 1:06 am

    Crook–

    You can’t be serious right? Russo is not even on the same talent level as Gardner.

    People fear Gardner getting on base and while he is on the bases. No one has any fear of Russo whatsoever.

    Also, Gardner will run circles around Russo in the outfield or anywhere else for that matter.

    It’s like comparing an Acura (Gardner) to a Chevrolet (Russo). Not even close.

  45. Nick in SF May 26th, 2010 at 1:07 am

    “Hot For Gardner” was one of Van Halen’s best songs, iirc.

  46. Bret the Hitman May 26th, 2010 at 1:08 am

    Rich,

    One could argue, without Soria, who closes if Mo gets hurt.

    Chances are, Granderson will remain healthy, he’s in his prime.

    Chances are, Mo won’t get hurt. He takes great care of himself.

  47. CR9 May 26th, 2010 at 1:09 am

    Russo is a completely different guy from Figgins. If Russo, can play all the IF positions except SS, and the corner OF positions adequately, as long he puts up a .330-.350 OBP, he should be a decent role player.

  48. Broken Record May 26th, 2010 at 1:09 am

    With how shaky Papelbon has been and the fact that they don’t seem keen on re-signing him, he would be perfect for Boston.

    The only way I would give up Gardner if it means we keep him away from Boston, i.e. they have a deal on the table and we can get him instea.

    Terrified of him setting up Bard setting up Papelbon for a year, then Bard-Papelbon for the next 10.

  49. CR9 May 26th, 2010 at 1:10 am

    With the Van Halen reference, anybody else getting the new STP release?

  50. Crook May 26th, 2010 at 1:11 am

    We can find 9th place hitters who play CF on the scrap heap

    What about Ronald McDonald… the Sox DFA’d him and he played great for them. Got some big hits. He would do well at the bottom of our lineup.

  51. Jerkface May 26th, 2010 at 1:12 am

    McDonald had a fast start but really sucked after that. He is a career minor leaguer.

    I like Soria but I don’t think I’d trade much for him, or any reliever.

  52. Bret the Hitman May 26th, 2010 at 1:12 am

    I would think the Sox would be in on Soria for the reasons mentioned by Broken Record.

    But again, the package would start with Ellsbury.

    The Sox have no leadoff guy in their future and they still need a big bat since this is the last hurrah for Papi, Tek and Lowell.

  53. CR9 May 26th, 2010 at 1:12 am

    Crook

    Apparently, the Sox did not DFA Ron McDonald. But if they did, I would definitely take him over Winn. He actually showed desire with the Sox in the OF, and a desire at the plate to take pitches and take walks!

    Then again, Winn showed the ability and desire to work counts, but cant catch up to a good fastball.

  54. Nick in SF May 26th, 2010 at 1:13 am

    Why replace good players with scrap heap players?

  55. m May 26th, 2010 at 1:14 am

    Not necessarily looking for a CF, that’s Granderson.

    But Gardner at the bottom of the order is good. Like having 2 leadoff hitters. Our only real base stealing threat.

    Someone mad a sad but true comment today. Half the lineup looked like a SWB lineup.

    I don’t know why, but I’m not fed up with Tex yet. I really wish the writers would stop asking him about his slump. Because I’m not liking the answers.

  56. Lance May 26th, 2010 at 1:15 am

    “What about Ronald McDonald… the Sox DFA’d him”

    So that’s why he was sitting outside McDonalds with graffiti drawn on him today on my way home from work.

    Poor guy.

  57. m May 26th, 2010 at 1:16 am

    That’s made a sad comment. Not :mad: a :( comment.

  58. CR9 May 26th, 2010 at 1:18 am

    Nick

    Im not necessarily suggesting Ron McDonald over Winn. Well, yes I am. Haha!

    You’re right. Why scrap heap career minor leaguers for a proven veteran like Winn (who helped us win a game this year with a 3 run blast)?

    I dont know. To inject some new life into a struggling team, maybe. Maybe because the only thing that I have expected out of Winn was to play solid defense, and he has not done that.

    All the while, Ron McD on his farm in Fenway, has helped contribute to Sox victories.

    Objectively, you’re right. I’d take Winn over McD.

  59. m May 26th, 2010 at 1:18 am

    Nick,

    The premise is that Soria (in theory) would come back. That’s actually a good trade. But my familial allegiance prohibits me from endorsing the proposal.

    Theoretically, Soria would replace Joba as the EIG. What would that mean for Joba? Back to square one as a starter?

  60. Broken Record\ May 26th, 2010 at 1:20 am

    CR9,

    I think he meant why get trid of Gardner for Ron McDonald.

    But in this scenario, we’d be getting a stud reliever, so it’s not like we’re choosing to replace Gardner with Ronald.

  61. Mike May 26th, 2010 at 1:23 am

    Soria would be MO insurance and his replacement, I gather. You could still use Joba in the 8th.

    But if MO dominates for another 5 years, then was this trade worth it? Yeah, we’d have ab beastly pen but it would defeat the purpose of the trade.

  62. Nick in SF May 26th, 2010 at 1:27 am

    Oh, so we’re replacing Gardner with a scrap heaper because we traded Gardner for Soria.

    Gotcha.

    :roll:

  63. CR9 May 26th, 2010 at 1:30 am

    I love the fact that I’ve got people calling him Ron or Ronald McDonald.

    WoooooooooHoooooooo!!

  64. truth always hurts May 26th, 2010 at 1:30 am

    AJ threw 21 pitches in the first, 20 pitches in the 2nd finally he ended with 75 total in the 5th, averaging 15 pitches per inning. His opponent has 50 pitches after 5, averaging 10 pitches per inning. You would think the Yankees would work the count, but they don’t. We won’t mention the two DOUBLE PLAYS when they finally got base runners.

  65. m May 26th, 2010 at 1:34 am

    Pitch counts for this game are meaningless. Neither starter lasted past the 5th. :?

  66. Jon C May 26th, 2010 at 1:34 am

    But look at this way.

    We’re replacing a scrap heap pitcher (Park, Logan, someone) with an elite one

    the scrap heap to good player ratio on the team stays the same, it is just now distributed in different areas of the team. Basically, Park swapped out for Logan.

    Park/Gardner < Soria/Ronald Mcdonald

    Or something like that

  67. Mike May 26th, 2010 at 1:37 am

    CR9,

    I’m sure you love the fact that Justin Masterson is 0-5 this yar and has lost his last 11 decisions dating back to last year.

    His record is 1-12 since going to Cleveland

  68. CR9 May 26th, 2010 at 1:38 am

    Mike

    I didnt know that. But why would I love that??? They got gifted VMart for 2 bums. Because of a “salary dump.”

  69. CR9 May 26th, 2010 at 1:38 am

    Mike

    Are you the same “Mike” who was posting on here a couple nights ago? He was anti-Yankee.

  70. Mike May 26th, 2010 at 1:40 am

    No.

    I am actually part of your anti-Boston brigade.

    I should probably be more specific to my name

  71. Jerkface May 26th, 2010 at 1:40 am

    The problem in that equation is that we’ve replaced a 40 game scrap heap player with a good one and replaced a 130+ game good player with a scrap heap player.

  72. m May 26th, 2010 at 1:41 am

    At what point are the Indians going to realize that the big Jamaican is not a stahtah?

  73. CR9 May 26th, 2010 at 1:42 am

    Mike

    Ok. Just wanted to know, because pieces of carcillo like that, I generally just ignore and move past their comments!

    Oh, I forgot, doesnt Masterson face us in a few days?

    If that piece of carcillo beats us, I will absolutely go ballistic!!!!!

  74. Gator May 26th, 2010 at 1:42 am

    m,

    He is slated to face us on Friday when they come to town

    Will we be the medicine the big Jamaican needs to stay in the rotation? :(

  75. kenny ct May 26th, 2010 at 1:47 am

    Very excited for the NY/NJ superbowl.I am going to buy tickets as soon as they become available.

  76. m May 26th, 2010 at 1:54 am

    Well it’s always murphy’s law with opposing pitchers. Can’t hit scrubs.

  77. antisocial scrooge May 26th, 2010 at 1:57 am

    Soria until 3 days ago hasn’t had a clean 1-2-3 inning dating back to April, but I’d still take the mexecutioner.

  78. Jennifer May 26th, 2010 at 6:54 am

    Yankees better score 10 runs to begin game especially with one of the lefties likely coming in

  79. blake May 26th, 2010 at 7:20 am

    I don’t think there is much chance at all that Gardner gets traded during the season. They are very thin in outfield depths and he’s one of their best outfielders…

    If the Yanks decide to go after Crawford or Werth in the offseason then yea they will probably shop Gardner but I think that’s far from a done deal. If they think Gardner can be 2/3 of Crawford for a fraction of the price then why not stick with him and spend your money elsewhere.

    The bullpen has been an issue thus far this season but you have to be careful not to over-react and start making trades for relief pitchers who as a group are greatly inconsistent from year to year.

  80. upstate kate May 26th, 2010 at 7:25 am

    who wants to trade GGBG and why? He has been a bright spot this season.

    I think the bullpen will come around, they have been pitching better lately for the most part.

  81. Doreen - GTLU Stuff & Photos May 26th, 2010 at 7:26 am

    blake -

    Agree about the bullpen. Just look at Damaso Marte. Before the Yankees actually got him, he was one of the pitchers that people here clamored for on a regular basis. When he came here it was like Cashman had heard the cries and answered the prayers.

    Only, he hasn’t been what we thought the Yankees were getting.

    You just don’t know.

  82. blake May 26th, 2010 at 7:28 am

    The trade the Yanks really need to make is to trade the Ghost of Mark Teixera for the real Tex.

    I think he will eventually come out of this..a guy his age and with his track record doesn’t just fall off a cliff over the winter. However, its just a fact that when your 3 hitter struggles as much as he has then you are going to lose some games that you normally may not lose.

  83. Doreen - GTLU Stuff & Photos May 26th, 2010 at 7:29 am

    BTW, that’s a general statement on Marte – he was amazing in the WS. But on the whole, he’s been inconsistent or unavailable.

  84. upstate kate May 26th, 2010 at 7:34 am

    If Papi can come out of his slump, so can Tex! Thats my story and I am sticking to it!

    Doreen
    CR9 ran GTLU yesterday. I know you said you had to cancel, but it was a quiet afternoon and it kept people happy…altho no one had Tex as DH, so no winners.

  85. blake May 26th, 2010 at 7:35 am

    Doreen,
    Right, making a trade for a relief pitcher is a huge gamble IMO. A plan to trade for Soria and sign Crawford would really spike payroll as well which I doubt they’d be interested in doing.

    Kate, Morning…just read through last nights comments.

  86. Doreen - GTLU Stuff & Photos May 26th, 2010 at 7:39 am

    upstate kate -

    Thanks. :)

    I did process the lineups when I got home last night. I always feel like if people are putting the time in to guess lineups, they should be counted. That’s why on a couple of Saturdays days I ended up doing GTLU when I said I probably would NEVER do that. :lol:

    Darn that Girardi! Even if Girardi hadn’t put Teixeira at DH, there wouldn’t have been any winners, though. Most had Winn hitting 9th, and the two that had Russo batting 9th had Cervelli and Miranda switched in the batting order.

  87. upstate kate May 26th, 2010 at 7:39 am

    Blake
    you are braver than I am, sometimes the game time and late night comments are scary

  88. blake May 26th, 2010 at 7:43 am

    kate,
    You’re certainly right there.

    I think Tex will come out of his slump as well. He just can’t get his timing down for whatever reason this year.

  89. Billy D May 26th, 2010 at 7:50 am

    Got to be Mitre to start the 6th inning, no? Probably Duensing for the Twins. Be nice to add two the “W” column this afternoon/evening.

  90. tampayank May 26th, 2010 at 7:58 am

    I hate games that are suspended and continued, doesn’t have the natural finish of the game

  91. chris May 26th, 2010 at 8:03 am

    Message to Tex: Time to reinvent yourself, because the old you is obsolete.

  92. MTU (aka GBURL) May 26th, 2010 at 8:12 am

    Blake-

    “The trade the Yanks really need to make is to trade the Ghost of Mark Teixera for the real Tex.

    I think he will eventually come out of this..a guy his age and with his track record doesn’t just fall off a cliff over the winter. However, its just a fact that when your 3 hitter struggles as much as he has then you are going to lose some games that you normally may not lose.”

    Good morning.

    Maybe Tex needs to move down in the lineup until he rediscovers what a great hitter he really is ?

    Takes the pressure off, saves outs, and gives omeone else a chance to be productive while Tex heals. ;)

  93. MTU (aka GBURL) May 26th, 2010 at 8:21 am

    The cure for for Anemia is Iron, and the Yankees offense has been “anemic” lately.

    Friday they are gonna get a “shot” of vitamin “G”, and things are going to change for the better.

    Tonite we win 2 and Boston takes care of Tampa again (I hope).

    Net result is we lop 1.5 games off of Tampa’s lead jsut like that.

    2 wins and some Vitamin G and we’re off to the races again. ;)

  94. Rick May 26th, 2010 at 8:26 am

    Teixeira says he’s never tried to reinvent himself but if Kevin Long sees a flaw in his batting approach, he should listen to the advice. If Alex can seek out and work with Long then so can Mark.

  95. Billy D May 26th, 2010 at 8:26 am

    “…and Boston takes care of Tampa again (I hope).”

    Wouldn’t hold my breath on this one. Lackey has really struggled of late and Garza has owned the Red Sox going back to Game 7 of the ’08 ALCS.

  96. MTU (aka GBURL) May 26th, 2010 at 8:28 am

    A corollary to Murphy’s Law says that when you hit bottom there is nowhere to go but up.

    The Yankees have hit bottom so guess where they are going.

    When things turn even a buzzsaw is going to look friendly compared with the sight of the Yankees coming to town. :)

  97. upstate kate May 26th, 2010 at 8:29 am

    I would rather see the Rays win

  98. MTU (aka GBURL) May 26th, 2010 at 8:30 am

    Billy-

    It simple.

    Lackey is due for a good game and Garza a bad one.

    Sometimes the unexpected happens.

    I hope this is one of those times. :)

  99. MTU (aka GBURL) May 26th, 2010 at 8:32 am

    Kate-

    You must be kidding.

    The object is to close the gap between the the Rays and us.

    The enemy of my enemy is my friend, and right now, like it or not, the Sox can be our friend (just temporarily, of course). :)

  100. Damon enjoy 27....think 28 May 26th, 2010 at 8:34 am

    Wow Darryl Strawberry was asked to come give the Mets players a pep talk last weekend. Being his usual aggressive self in tone,. Jason Bay and Jeff Francoeur filed complaints, with the PR director Horwitz , about Darryl’s aggressive tone (both Bay and Francoeur are denying having a problem.) The whole incident has wounded Darryl to declare, he will never set foot in the clubhouse again.

    When have you ever heard that Reggie Jackson’s pep talks ever offended any of the Yankeess players, or a complaint filed?

    I’m surprised at Bay, coming from the heathen nation of beantown, and being so timid with a pep talk. The bosox media is brutal, the worst on the players.

    -Bob Klapisch: Mets recoil from Straw pep talk http://www.northjersey.com/sports

  101. upstate kate May 26th, 2010 at 8:38 am

    MTU

    I am absolutely not kidding! The Rays are bound to come back down to earth, and I would rather not have the sox continue their hot streak.

  102. MTU (aka GBURL) May 26th, 2010 at 8:43 am

    Kate-

    As you just said, It’s a hot streak. So what ?

    That doesn’t mean that the Sox are all of a sudden going to play that way for the rest of the season.

    They can help us close the gap between us and the Rays.

    Why not use their temporary hot streak to our advantage.

    If the Sox beat the Rays again it doesn’t mean anything long term other than that if we win 2 they have helped us lop 1.5 games off of Tampa’s lead.

    The Sox are much more likely to fall back to earth than the Rays IMO.

    The Rays are a much better team than the Sox.

    So in this momentary instance I want the Sox to help us.

  103. Billy D May 26th, 2010 at 8:50 am

    “When have you ever heard that Reggie Jackson’s pep talks ever offended any of the Yankeess players, or a complaint filed?”

    Probably never, but Reggie Jackson has some cache. When you think about it, who the hell is Strawberry to be giving pep talks? What? Wally Backman wasn’t available? Maybe they were offended that the pep talk was coming from a guy who snorted himself useless by the time he was 30.

    How about Tom Seaver for such a talk? Or Hernandez? Or Carter? Seriously. Strawberry?

  104. mick May 26th, 2010 at 8:51 am

    logic does not apply in baseball mtu

  105. upstate kate May 26th, 2010 at 8:55 am

    sorry MTU, I just can’t root for the sox! logical or not!

    partly a family matter too. We are flying down to FL for the long weekend to see my Mom, who is a long time Rays fan…and it is more fun to trash talk my sister’s sox than to deal w/ her gloating

  106. MTU (aka GBURL) May 26th, 2010 at 9:01 am

    Kate-

    Then do it quietly and on the sly.

    Her gloating won’t last when the Sox finish the season out of the money, and we’re back in first place on our way to # 28.

    Then you can be the one who trashtalks all off season.

    Don’t let Sox hatred blind you to what is really important. :)

  107. veritas May 26th, 2010 at 9:03 am

    Jarhead Joe needs to wake up and smell the coffee:

    Teixeira batting third in this epic slump is killing the offense.

    Instead of filling out the lineup by rote, use some imagination, Joe.

  108. randy l. May 26th, 2010 at 9:04 am

    i’m not sure the yankees are going to beat the rays for the division championship.

    to me,that increases the yankees chance of getting into the playoffs.

    it’s obvious that the fourth outfielder, dh position, and middle relief aren’t going to play out like cashman thought they would.

    or how we thought they would.

    the biggest mistake i think he made was going away from having the two spot filled with a guy who runs well or plays small ball well and filling it with the trendy sabermetric high on base percentage guy in nick johnson.

    that move was a tipping point into making the team a station to station team. cashman and girardi’s first job in turning this around is rethink the #2 spot in the order.

    there are several possibilities for the top two spots. jeter, granderson might work. gardner jeter might also. if a right handed pitcher is pitching. gardner, jeter, granderson , alex, cano isn’t bad.

    whatever they decide, if they put swisher in the two spot, i think it just continues the passive station to station baseball that began with putting nick johnson in there.

    they cant win a playoff spot in the next 4-5 weeks , but they can lose it so they need to figure out a way to play .500 ball till they get close to full strength and can make a run.

  109. Doreen - GTLU Stuff & Photos May 26th, 2010 at 9:06 am

    Billy D -

    Absolutely. Strawberry may have really turned his life around this time, and he may be a good motivational speaker outside of baseball. But I don’t think he’s the guy you bring to the clubhouse for that purpose.

    But regardless of that – the Mets air too much dirty laundry.

  110. NYYROC May 26th, 2010 at 9:06 am

    Too bad about Ace. Back problems can haunt you for a long time. I think the NYY should look at him the same as NJ; whatever they get out of them this year consider it a bonus. They need to look at a long term/ full time replacement for Ace. From within maybe Hirsch, Sanchez or Nova. I know Nova is a SP but maybe this could be his way to break in. Regardless it will be hard to find one guy who had Ace’s versaility.

  111. MTU (aka GBURL) May 26th, 2010 at 9:09 am

    Randy-

    While we are waiting for the Volcano that is the Yankees offense to explode again I feel your need for speed.

    Let’s provide a little ignition and add some positive pressure. :)

  112. braeden May 26th, 2010 at 9:10 am

    If the Yankees were on a winning streak, one might be happy the Rays are losing. But…what Yankees fan ever roots for the bloody sox not for nothing?

  113. randy l. May 26th, 2010 at 9:14 am

    “Then you can be the one who trashtalks all off season.”

    mtu-

    not necessarily.

    have you ever tried in the off season to find a red sox fan when the yankees win the world series ?

    they dart into alleyways or bend down to tie their shoes, or simply turn around and walk the other way when they see a yankee fan coming.

    of course if they sweep the rays, i’ll get to see a few . if they pass the yankees, i’ll see a lot of them in the coming weeks.

    of course, since i didn’t get to trash talk after the world series, that’ll be a good time to bring that up :)

  114. Haiku-man May 26th, 2010 at 9:15 am

    Wakefield needed surgery last year for the same thing, after the All Star break, near their seasons end. Ace might need surgery at some point.

  115. Doreen - GTLU Stuff & Photos May 26th, 2010 at 9:17 am

    randy l -

    If you take as a given that Damon was not going to sign with the Yankees for anything less than $10-$13 mil/year for 2 years (or, giving benefit of doubt, one year), I’m not sure what Cashman’s other options were.

    When Johnson was healthy and playing, they were winning. He wasn’t hitting especially, but he was doing the job they wanted – seeing a lot of pitches, and he was getting on base via walk.

    I don’t know what their real options for #2 are at this point. Swisher at least sees a lot of pitches. Granderson does not, but he has a power thread and if he gets on base he’s fast – can score on a single from 2nd, on a double from first.

    I agree that not signing Damon really hurt the team, but I really don’t blame Cashman – he did offer 2 years, which no other team did, and only $1 less per than he’s getting from the Tigers.

    Still, if Tex was hitting, it would help immensely.

  116. randy l. May 26th, 2010 at 9:20 am

    “Let’s provide a little ignition and add some positive pressure.”

    mtu-

    since what we think on the blog takes a while to percolate into the blogshere and eventually to the yankees ( maybe once something here got there) we’ll have to do something creative.

    maybe the blog needs to make a virtual sacrifice to the baseball gods to change the energy of the team.

    you’re out in the wilderness a lot. maybe you can come up with something.

  117. MTU (aka GBURL) May 26th, 2010 at 9:22 am

    Randy-

    “of course, since i didn’t get to trash talk after the world series, that’ll be a good time to bring that up ”

    Money talks and BS walks.

    Have at it. The Sox are legends in their own minds, and if they can help us accomplish OUR goals so much the better.

    We can use ‘em up and discard them just like toilet paper.

    As far as reality goes for the Sox……….

  118. upstate kate May 26th, 2010 at 9:23 am

    I like the idea of Granderson in the 2nd spot, but is that pushing him too much just coming back from an injury? Has he stolen any bases in his rehab? How long will it take for him to be back full strength?

    and I would like to see GGBG back in the 9th spot, hopefully using his speed. since HR #s are down, they need to play more small ball, and make things happen.

  119. MTU (aka GBURL) May 26th, 2010 at 9:24 am

    Randy-

    Maybe.

    I’m climbing mountains to honor Hughes wins so paying some other form of tribute should be a lead pipe cinch.

    Would running 160 miles of the Green and Colorado rivers qualify ?

  120. randy l. May 26th, 2010 at 9:31 am

    “I don’t know what their real options for #2 are at this point. Swisher at least sees a lot of pitches. ”

    doreen-

    i know rationally that a high on base percentage in the two spot makes sense.

    i just think if that if the guy can’t do small ball stuff it’s a tipping point into station to station baseball.

    this issue may be the polarization shaping up on the blog that nick and i were bantering back and forth last night.

    the yankees have the personnel to play small ball. they have a lot of guys who can run. teixeira will see more fastballs if the guys in front of him will run.

    if the yankees don’t want to use the speed they have. then why have it on the team in the first place ? why don’t the yankees have holiday in left field instead of brett gardner ?
    CB said that was the move that the yankees needed to do last winter.

    gardner would be the fourth outfielder and he could be put in a stolen base situation as a pinch runner probably half the games the yankees play. he’d probably get more stolen base opportunities than he does in the two spot.

    so what else could have cashman have done ? as CB said, they needed holiday in left field to wrap up the deal for 2010. that’s looking pretty good right now.

  121. randy l. May 26th, 2010 at 9:34 am

    “Would running 160 miles of the Green and Colorado rivers qualify ?”

    i was thinking more along the lines of sacrificing a virgin.

    throw someone into a volcano

    maybe a baseball signed by all the red sox players though that could backfire.

    i’m not up on volcano sacrificing protocol.

  122. Doreen - GTLU Stuff & Photos May 26th, 2010 at 9:42 am

    randy l -

    Was Matt Holiday going to bat 2nd, though? If not, then who? I do understand your point and I don’t disagree, really. But once they didn’t re-sign Damon, who was perfect in the #2 hole, they really didn’t have anyone close to being that good a fit there.

    I’m looking at practical, considering who they have, what can they do? It’s kind of pointless to try and re-do the off-season, and no disrespect to CB, whom I do respect immensely, but I don’t recall too many people saying the Yankees needed to sign Holiday, and I don’t remember the batting order being part of any such conversation. (Though my memory is not perfect, I’ll admit. :) )

    So, practically speaking – who goes there now?

    You asked yesterday how I dealt with adversity. I don’t cry over spilt milk, basically. And I try not to play the “blame game” because it’s fruitless – most people’s intentions are sound, you can’t always control the results. But looking for workable solutions, or a way to deal with things as they are makes for a lot less agita. :)

  123. MTU (aka GBURL) May 26th, 2010 at 9:42 am

    Randy-

    Neither am I but that is where we turn to m.

    She lives in Hawaii and probably knows everything there is to know about the Volcano Gods.

    Now about finding that Virgin ?

    I hear there might just be one more left in the far reaches of Lapland in Northern Scandanavia but it might only be a rumor.

    It’s kinda like people claiming to have seen “bigfoot” , or the “yeti”.

    You’ll have to figure out who to contact on that one. ;)

  124. chris May 26th, 2010 at 9:43 am

    Undoubtedly Joe will overmanage the bottom of the 6th – bring in Logan or Marte for “matchups”, use about 4 relievers that inning, then wonder why his bullpen is short. Then call up a couple of minor league relievers between games and send down the rest of the bench. So we’re assured that Tex will play and bat 3rd until his average reaches his head size.

  125. randy l. May 26th, 2010 at 9:49 am

    mtu-

    good idea . m is the one near the volcanoes.

    we’ll have to wait until she wakes up for some sacrifice ideas to appease the baseball gods.

    what about nick johnson? he’s not doing anything anyway?

    you know what’s weird , if teixeira would have went down for the past 6 weeks the yankees would be in better shape.

    that really is the biggest problem the yankees have right now.

    teixeira was what separated the yankees form the red sox in 2009.

    now he’s there ,but just taking up space.

  126. Coach6423 May 26th, 2010 at 9:50 am

    Are people seriously suggesting we claim 31 yr old, career minor leaguer, Darnell McDonald, who played an awful CF, and hit a robust .240 off waivers. For real? Christ, just claim Grimmace, Mayor McChese, and the Hamburgler instead…

  127. Steve May 26th, 2010 at 9:52 am

    No mention of when the rained out game starts. The regular game is scheduled for 6:00 PM (central time) – 7:00 PM (eastern time).
    If the rained out game goes into extra innings, we could have an all nighter.

  128. rj May 26th, 2010 at 9:53 am

    I think they should split the #2 between Grandy & Cervelli (vs L). Frankie can handle the bat, has some speed, draws walks. I think that is worth trying.

  129. Doreen - GTLU Stuff & Photos May 26th, 2010 at 9:54 am

    rj -

    That’s an interesting thought.

  130. Coach6423 May 26th, 2010 at 9:55 am

    Cervelli is not a 2 hole hitter…plain and simple.

  131. Patrick from CT May 26th, 2010 at 9:56 am

    None of Tex, ARod, and Cano has come through with runners or and no out for the last 2-3 games. These guys need to wakeup quickly!
    If Gardner is going to continue to be a nearly .400 OPS guy, he should bat 1st and Jeter 2nd.
    Tex need to move down to the 5 or 6 hole untill he starts to hit.
    This team has missed Granderson in that OF. If he’s right, he can hit anywhere in the lineup.
    With Russo getting the start against a righty last night, it would seem like Winn has really dropped down the depth chart. It will be vary interesting who gets bumped for Granderson on Friday if Russo has a good week.

  132. chris May 26th, 2010 at 9:56 am

    @upstate kate: Granderson would be a terrible #2 hitter. He’s lacking all of the qualities that a #2 needs. His lifetime OBP is only .343 and he strikes out 24% of his at bats. In short, he doesn’t get on enough, and he strikes out too often. On this team, assuming Tex will be replaced by the old Tex, Grandy is a good #8 hitter.

  133. MTU (aka GBURL) May 26th, 2010 at 9:57 am

    Randy-

    “now he’s there ,but just taking up space.”

    All things take up space so that really isn’t a criticism but Tex should be moved down temporarily.

    When he starts hitting there will be no getting him out.

    He is capable of carrying a team.

    He’s gonna hit and when he does he will be feared.

    The only thing that could stop him is if he is injured which I hope is not the case.

    You don’t go from consistently great to schlub overnight.

    I gotta run. One of the puppies needs to see the Vet.

    Catch you all later. :)

  134. Haiku-man May 26th, 2010 at 9:59 am

    Jerry Hairston jr, hit a HR (off curve ball) from Adam Wainwright (Cardinals,) and the Padres won 1-0 capturing the teams 9 th shut out this season. The Padres have the best bull pen in the NL.

    -Congrats Jerry !

  135. Jerkface May 26th, 2010 at 10:03 am

    What small stuff did Damon do that NJ did not? He only stole 12 bags last year. NJ gets on base more, see’s more pitches, and doesn’t run poor enough to say that speed is a deciding factor.

    Moreover, we’ve had speed in the 2 hole since he was hurt. The team was better when NJ was crushing the opposing pitcher in the 2 spot with Swisher crushing him in the 8 spot.

  136. ac1 May 26th, 2010 at 10:08 am

    Even though Johnson had a .150 average, his OBP was near .400. he was getting on base for 3-4-5. The whole thing just worked in april, even with the slow offensive starts of tex, alex, etc… Now, they get two on and no out and the next three fail to even move them one base. it’s ugly. It will get better, but it is still no fun to watch now.

  137. pat May 26th, 2010 at 10:09 am

    YankeesPR update from @YesNetwork: resumption of gm will be on My9 today at 5pm; regularly scheduled game on @YESNetwork 1/2 hour after finish or 7pm

  138. upstate kate May 26th, 2010 at 10:12 am

    Chris
    I was reacting to a suggestion made by Randy to get a little speed at the top of the order. Sounds like Granderson isn’t the answer either!

    MTU
    hope your pup is ok

  139. Keeping it real May 26th, 2010 at 10:13 am

    truth always hurt @ 1:05 am (above)

    You are spot on about Teixeira, he will embarrass the Yankees if allowed on the All Star team, thank you for being honest.

    Justin Morneau is better for now, he’s having a monster year so far.
    Mark ended the season batting .180, and as we see now he’s at .203. He’s only picked up where he left off last year.

  140. rconn23 May 26th, 2010 at 10:19 am

    The Yankees are not a small ball team. The most important thing your leadoff and two hole hitters can do is get on base.

    On base percentage isn’t the “only” stat in baseball – but it’s more important than batting average, which is an incomplete stat, and RBI. Mark Teixiera has 30 RBIs. That should tell you all you need to know about RBI.

    OBP wasn’t a stat invented by Billy Beane. It’s been around forever, and Gene Michael was a proponent of it while he was helping to build the most recent Yankee dynasty.

    This isn’t the 82 Cardinals with a bunch of light-hitting knats on the basepaths. That team ran because it didn’t have any power. Can’t win baseball games over the long haul like that anymore.

    The Yankees have one guy with exceptional speed and when he gets on base, he tries to steal. When Granderson is healthy and back in the lineup. He’s another threat. Other than that, there’s not much speed.

    Perhaps, Jeter would steal more, like he did last year, if he actually was adept at getting on base this season. So far, he has not been.

    Brian Cashman wanted the Yankees to get younger and better defensively. He did that by trading for Granderson and making Gardner an everyday player.

    Rolling the dice on Nick Johnson was worth the gamble for $5 million. In the NL got on base last season more than anyone other than Albert Pujols.

    Hoping that he could stay healthy while not playing the field wasn’t an outrageous outlook. It just didn’t work.

  141. Billy D May 26th, 2010 at 10:19 am

    “and doesn’t run poor enough to say that speed is a deciding factor.”

    Seriously? Any slower and he’d be going backwards.

    “The team was better when NJ was crushing the opposing pitcher”

    Last time NJ was crushing the opposing pitcher, he was a Florida Marlin.

  142. Jerkface May 26th, 2010 at 10:20 am

    Granderson isn?t the answer either!

    he was more a replacement for Matsui than Damon. He has good power, but has been struggling with the bat since putting up a really great year about 3 years ago. Thats why NJ was always slotted for the 2 hole.

    Granderson has 2 advantages in the 2 hole: He is fast, and he DOES see a lot of pitches. He is 4th on the team in that category. And it was over 4!

    Problem is he strikes out too much, is far more susceptible to a LHP (NJ was equally good vs left and right), and as of last season is an extreme flyball hitter which means unlikely to move runners.

    NJ does more ‘small things’ than Granderson, but everyone is in love with Grandersons speed (despite the fact that his low OBP will kill about 20-30 rallies)

  143. Jerkface May 26th, 2010 at 10:22 am

    Perhaps, Jeter would steal more, like he did last year, if he actually was adept at getting on base this season. So far, he has not been.

    Last time NJ was crushing the opposing pitcher, he was a Florida Marlin.

    Crushing the pitcher morally, he saw a ton of pitches and still got on base despite not having any of his line drives fall in. If you were around late in the offseason I did a comparison and NJ advances bases equally as often as Granderson and Damon. Which means he scores from 2nd, goes 1st to 3rd, etc equally as well as those guys.

    The only area that Granderson was demonstrably better was scoring from 1st.

    And I brought this up yesterday but Jeter is stealing around the same amount as last year. He just hasn’t had the same amount of opportunities

  144. Jerkface May 26th, 2010 at 10:24 am

    NJ is faster than Posada and not much slower than a guy like Teixeira. His speed isn’t an asset, but it isn’t the detriment that people associate with an injury prone DH.

  145. RMS May 26th, 2010 at 10:25 am

    This team is in a deep slumber. Guys who can steal should steal. What about the hit and run?
    All we see is a runner on base standing there like a statue waiting for something to happen.

  146. RSM May 26th, 2010 at 10:26 am

    Here’s something I completely fail to understand.
    Over the last few days there has been quite a few posts suggesting Jeter be dropped to second in the order.
    Are you guys talking about a different Jeter???
    The Jeter I know doesn’t take many pitches. So if Gardner got on in front of him, he would not have many chances to steal. The Jeter I know also hits A LOT of ground balls, which would translate into A LOT of double plays.
    You guys come up with some bad ideas, but this one is HORRIBLE!

  147. Rick May 26th, 2010 at 10:26 am

    Girardi needs to drop Teixeira and his wiggly bat to 5th in the order until he gets his batting rhythm back again. Until then, let Swisher be the protection for Alex. He can’t possibly do worse from either side of the plate.

  148. YankeeRay May 26th, 2010 at 10:27 am

    Until we get Crawford our best option for the all important 2 hole is Swisher. He hits from both sides, sees a lot of pitches and can put you up 1 or 2-0 in the first inning of a game. He can pull a ball in the hole when batting lefty when either Jeter or 9 hole hitter Gardner are on base and can take pitches for either of them to steal a base.

    Why is this so tough to figure out?

    Yes he provides power down in the line up but if our top is not producing then we need to focus on that first. Sliding Arod to 3 is the way to go and Tex will balance out the line up from the 5 spot when he gets going. Posada 6 and Granderson 7 will provide balance with the 2 headed DH at 8.

    Cmon Joe, get a pair and make the move that will jump start this line up.

  149. Jerkface May 26th, 2010 at 10:28 am

    This team is in a deep slumber. Guys who can steal should steal. What about the hit and run?
    All we see is a runner on base standing there like a statue waiting for something to happen.

    Girardi sends the runners 3-2 LT 2 outs as often as any manager in baseball, and we’ve hit into more than our share of DPs and ran into some Caught Stealings on hit and runs.

    Hitting and Running isn’t a magical elixir.

  150. JohnC May 26th, 2010 at 10:28 am

    I Like Swisher in the 2 spot better. Tex has gone through this before. He will come out of it.

  151. upstate kate May 26th, 2010 at 10:30 am

    Jerkface
    who do you like in the #2 spot?

  152. Wave Your Hat May 26th, 2010 at 10:33 am

    Small ball is not going to save the Yanks.

    It would simply be an attempt to scratch out a few runs while admitting that the Yanks high OBP, high power offense is not working right now for whatever reason (Jeter and Teixeira not hitting, ARod not hitting for power, Granderson and Posada out, Gardner falling back to earth hard).

    In which case, we aren’t going to score enough anyway to win enough to hold onto the playoffs.

    The Yanks live or die with hitting the long ball and getting on base. They have to wait for Jeter to start hitting and Teixeira and ARod to start putting balls in the seats.

    No magic with the lineup is going to fix it either. Changing the lineup around doesn’t help much in the first place, and since Jeter and Teixeira are fixtures at the top of the order whatever they do the lineup is going to live or die with how they hit, not by who bats second.

  153. Jerkface May 26th, 2010 at 10:33 am

    who do you like in the #2 spot?

    In order of preference?

    NJ
    Gardner
    Swisher
    Granderson

    Gardner is really the best choice out of everyone because he is fast, gets on base, should have improving bunting ability, isn’t a power threat but should benefit from seeing more fastballs, and sees a lot of pitches. Walks a lot.

    Gardner, if he can maintain the kind of production aggregate we have now (.290/.370/.390) is better than Granderson for that spot.

    NJ was best because he got on base a lot, saw a lot of pitches, and didn’t really have a lot of power. Granderson in the 2 spot loses some of the punch from his power. I like him hitting after A-rod/Cano/Posada because those guys will get on base and give his HRs some meaning. before Gardner’s break out it wasn’t likely that Granderson would see as many men on situations.

  154. Aaron May 26th, 2010 at 10:35 am

    “What small stuff did Damon do that NJ did not”

    Play?

  155. Aaron May 26th, 2010 at 10:37 am

    Are you guys talking about a different Jeter???

    When Damon hit leadoff, and Jeter hit second, that tandom led the league in double plays…by a lot. Jeter hit’s a ton of groundballs, and doesn’t take enough pitches to let the leadoff guy actually use his speed to take second base.
    We’ve been down that road before, and everyone hated it. Why revisit a broken idea?

  156. Billy D May 26th, 2010 at 10:40 am

    “What small stuff did Damon do that NJ did not”

    Play?”

    LOL.

    Another answer: score runs

  157. Jerkface May 26th, 2010 at 10:42 am

    Thats why in my proposed lineup it was Gardner-Swisher :>

    Jeter hit 7th or 8th :x

  158. randy l. May 26th, 2010 at 10:42 am

    “What small stuff did Damon do that NJ did not? He only stole 12 bags last year. NJ gets on base more, see’s more pitches, and doesn’t run poor enough to say that speed is a deciding factor.”

    jerkface-

    you are the other end of the polarity.

    to me it’s just sabermetric dogma and so easy to beat on the field unless you’re playing another team who believes in the same dogma.

    the yankees won last year by having more base stealing threats throughout the line up.
    right now players not named gardner are running at half the rate as last year.

    i believe that it’s not just the stolen base itself, or hit and run, or bunt that is so effective , but equally effective is the threat of these small ball maneuvers .

    sabermetrics doesn’t have a way of measuring what it does to an infield defensively or how it changes the pitches to a hitter when a team creates the threat of small ball.

    damon created that threat. nick johnson and swisher don’t.

    you will probably see your way of playing baseball with the yankees. cashman and girardi have shown that’s the direction they are going to go.

    i just think it’s a mistake and a waste of the personnel the team has.

  159. Jerkface May 26th, 2010 at 10:43 am

    Another answer: score runs

    Given equal production behind him, NJ will score as many runs as any other guy you put in the 2 hole.

  160. Wave Your Hat May 26th, 2010 at 10:43 am

    The facts are that 66% of Jeter’s AB’s result in ground balls and he is hitting about .200 when he hits ground balls, and Jeter is taking fewer pitches which means Gardner would have fewer pitches on which to run, all of which spell GIDP.

    Plus Gardner is not hitting right now either.

    This line of inquiry is not going to provide a solution to the Yanks’ sudden lack of offense.

    I prescribe patience.

  161. RMS May 26th, 2010 at 10:43 am

    “The Yanks live or die with hitting the long ball and getting on base. They have to wait for Jeter to start hitting and Teixeira and ARod to start putting balls in the seats.”

    So you advocate doing nothing, just waiting.

    I know it’s early in the season, but luckily the RS beat the Rays 2 games or the Yankees would be 8 games behind.

  162. RayVT May 26th, 2010 at 10:44 am

    Did I miss some announcement that Soria is on the blocks?

  163. Jerkface May 26th, 2010 at 10:45 am

    the yankees won last year by having more base stealing threats throughout the line up.

    The Yankees won last year by having a lineup 1-8 that averaged 20+ HRs each and a greater than 120 OPS+ per spot. The yankees aren’t much of a threat right now because they don’t get on base with regularity nor will we hit a HR as often as before.

  164. Wave Your Hat May 26th, 2010 at 10:47 am

    Randy-

    Sabermetrics has nothing to do with it.

    Small ball will result in a big drop off in runs scored from the Yanks’ typical offense. Now I admit that there is already a big dropoff in runs scored, and I’ll also admit that small ball will result in a few extra runs scored than slumping and not playing small ball.

    But in the context of the AL, especially the AL East, small ball will not score enough runs to win, especially with our bullpen.

  165. rconn23 May 26th, 2010 at 10:47 am

    Derek Jeter doesn’t need to be dropped in the leadoff spot until there is a much larger sample size that shows his production dropping. He’s not playing well right now, but he’ll likely get hot soon. I believe he’s 8 for his last 21.

    Jeter was the best leadoff man in baseball last year, largely because he got on base at a .400 + clip. He’s still the teams best option to get on base in the leadoff spot. When he does, you’ll see the 20 to 25 steals. he usually tallies.

    Gardner is not a leadoff hitter, despite his speed. The farther you move him up the lineup, the more he’s gets exposed. He has to prove he can get on base consistently, not just over a few weeks of games, before he gets a leadoff gig.

    The only place he’s a leadoff hitter is on a and team like the Pirates or Royals, who are bereft of talent.

  166. Jerkface May 26th, 2010 at 10:48 am

    If stolen bases were so awesome the pirates and rays and athletics would have better offenses.

    The astros, mets, and white sox stole 100+ bags last year, and they were terrible.

  167. Wave Your Hat May 26th, 2010 at 10:50 am

    “So you advocate doing nothing, just waiting.”

    Yes, because there’s really nothing to be done. All these moves just aren’t going to help enough, although I am in favor of bringing up some of the AAA pitchers to see if they can be of heklp in the pen, and I’m not opposed to trying a Thames/Miranda platoon at DH and I’m not opposed to giving Russo some at bats.

    But in the context of the current power outage, none of this is going to help enough. So I think we need to wait until the hitters start hitting.

  168. mick May 26th, 2010 at 10:51 am

    They lost the perfect #2 hitter in Damon. For what, Nick Johnson.
    Once again as Cash has done with pitchers, he acquires guys and you wonder, has he ever seen him play?
    Who are advising him, if anyone?
    It’s strictly hit and miss with him. No genius here.

  169. Jerkface May 26th, 2010 at 10:52 am

    We could always have our batters steal home should they make it to third. Jeter will be safe 85% of the time!

  170. Wave Your Hat May 26th, 2010 at 10:53 am

    You people seem to believe Damon coming back was a real possibility. But it wasn’t. He wasn’t playing here for what the Yanks were willing to offer. This whole Damon/NJ dispute is baloney.

  171. Jerkface May 26th, 2010 at 10:53 am

    It?s strictly hit and miss with him. No genius here.

    Most general managers either hit or miss? That is what happens in baseball. NJ was part of an offense that was scoring 7 runs per game. 1000 run pace offense.

    Nick Johnson goes down and the offense begins to spurt. Posada goes down and it dies completely. NJ in the lineup > No NJ in the lineup.

    And Damon isn’t fresh roses right now.

  172. Doreen - GTLU Stuff & Photos May 26th, 2010 at 10:53 am

    rconn23 -

    You’re correct – the Yankees are team built around power with some speed thrown in for good measure. They are never going to rely upon speed alone. But at least they recognized that you can’t live on power alone either. The Yankees don’t have a lot of speedsters, but they do have guys who can run the bases well. Johnson and Posada are the only station-to-station guys, I think. Even Swisher isn’t a total deadweight on the basepaths.

    In my heart of hearts, I really don’t think they should tinker too much. I really believe this is a slump, team-wide, that will pass.

  173. blake May 26th, 2010 at 10:54 am

    The Yankees best chance to win is to have their stars play like stars…if that doesn’t happen then nothing else matters much.

    You have to give players like Tex and Jeter a chance to come around because you really aren’t winning another title unless they do anyway..JMO. BTW…the captain has shown positive signs for about a week now….he’s about to get hot.

  174. blake May 26th, 2010 at 10:54 am

    The Yankees best chance to win is to have their stars play like stars…if that doesn’t happen then nothing else matters much.

    You have to give players like Tex and Jeter a chance to come around because you really aren’t winning another title unless they do anyway..JMO. BTW…the captain has shown positive signs for about a week now….he’s about to get hot.

  175. randy l. May 26th, 2010 at 10:54 am

    jerkface-

    jeter stole 30 bases last year.

    he’s at a pace for 15 this year.

    damon stole 12 out of the two spot.

    the two spot is probably at about a 2 rate right now.

    typical sabermetric dogma when you ignore the facts that don’t back up your point.

    we just totally disagree how baseball should be played.

    i think your way is very easy to beat because it’s so predictable.

    for one thing my team playing against your team can have a heavy hitting catcher who can’t throw , but it doesn’t matter because your team doesn’t run anyway.

    that’s just a start of how easy it is to beat a sabermetric team.

    your team has to have a guy who can throw at catcher because my team is going to run.
    so right away i have the advantage over you at catcher offensively.

    you don’t seem to understand the law of unintended consequences.

  176. Billy D May 26th, 2010 at 10:55 am

    “Given equal production behind him, NJ will score as many runs as any other guy you put in the 2 hole.”

    ZERO evidence to support that.

    Johnson’s had 95 PA’s at #2. Reached base 34 times (.379 OBP)
    Gardner has 74 PA’s at #2. Reached base 23 times (.315 OBP)

    Both guys have scored 12 runs out of the 2 hole. Gardner needed 11 less times on base to get there. His speed allows him to do some things Johnson simply can’t do that allow him to score runs despite the lack of production behind him.

  177. mick May 26th, 2010 at 10:55 am

    Wouldn’t Jeter have to take more pitches batting 2nd?
    Or is he on his own?
    I doubt it.
    Necessity being the mother of invention, Jeter takes, Gardner runs.

    Eventually, maybe Friday, he will be batting in front of Jeter, in the 9th spot.

    Let Swish and Grandy bat 2nd, against leftys and rightys.

  178. GC May 26th, 2010 at 10:57 am

    Runs scored are completely arbitrary and nearly wholly dependent on the production of other offensive players in the lineup.

    There is no evidence to suggest that Gardner would score any more runs than Johnson given all other things being equal in the number 2 spot.

  179. Doreen - GTLU Stuff & Photos May 26th, 2010 at 10:57 am

    If I’m not mistaken, the Yankees have been getting men on base; they’re not scoring them is the problem. If they steal more, it’s still no guarantee they’ll score. They’ll still need the timely hit.

    (I’m just thinking out loud.)

    Going to get a haircut.

    Catch y’all later.

    :)

    Randy l -

    You didn’t answer my question about Holiday. How would he have helped the #2 spot situation?

  180. Jerkface May 26th, 2010 at 10:58 am

    jeter stole 30 bases last year.

    he?s at a pace for 15 this year.

    Thats because he isn’t getting on base as much. He has stolen or attempted to steal in 7% of his opportunities. He was at 8% last year!

    I never advocate not stealing. Stealing over aggressively to try and ‘run out of a funk’ is not winning baseball. Winning baseball is not making outs.

    Right now most of our hitters can’t help but make outs.

  181. mick May 26th, 2010 at 10:59 am

    Damon could have been had if Cash wanted him badly enough and not on Boras’ terms.
    It could have been done, they wanted to cut the cord for some reason, as they did with Torre.

  182. Wave Your Hat May 26th, 2010 at 11:01 am

    “Damon could have been had if Cash wanted him badly enough and not on Boras’ terms.
    It could have been done, they wanted to cut the cord for some reason, as they did with Torre.”

    That’s just saying Damon would have come back if the Yanks had paid him enough.

    But that “enough” was significantly more than the Yanks wanted to pay. And it was 2 years not one for the Yanks.

    Damon wasn’t in the Yanks’ budget, and he wasn’t coming back.

  183. Jerkface May 26th, 2010 at 11:01 am

    Johnson?s had 95 PA?s at #2. Reached base 34 times (.379 OBP)
    Gardner has 74 PA?s at #2. Reached base 23 times (.315 OBP)

    Both guys have scored 12 runs out of the 2 hole. Gardner needed 11 less times on base to get there. His speed allows him to do some things Johnson simply can?t do that allow him to score runs despite the lack of production behind him.

    Gardner has had a slightly improved Tex and a much improved A-rod batting behind him in the 2 spot.

  184. mick May 26th, 2010 at 11:01 am

    Damon or Matsui at the DH was the answer.
    To let them both go was ludicrous and a mistake.

  185. rconn23 May 26th, 2010 at 11:02 am

    The Yankees don’t have the personnel for small ball and it’s not the way the the team has made the playoffs 16 out of the last 17 years. These teams have been high .OBP and power teams who wear pitchers out by the sixth inning.

    Gene Michael built a team in the 1990s that focused on guys who could get on base, a revolution that Sandy Alderson really began. Did the team have some guys who can run, of course. Knoblauch had good speed, Jeter and Williams decent speed. But that’s not what made the team successful.

    You want a small ball, fundamental, scrappy team, Watch the Mariners. They are fast, they can’t hit and, surprise – they stink.

    It’s not “sabremetric “dogma”. It’s winning baseball. This isn’t the Pythagorean theorem, for crying out load. OBP measures a hitters ability to basically not make outs.

  186. Jerkface May 26th, 2010 at 11:03 am

    Nick Johnson scored 100 runs in a TERRIBLE nationals offense in 2006.

  187. Shame Spencer May 26th, 2010 at 11:03 am

    Is there a 12 step program for Johnny Damon envy?? Some of the people on this board should start one. I can’t believe its almost June and we still haven’t stopped hearing about this nonsense..

  188. mick May 26th, 2010 at 11:03 am

    WYH
    Are you saying there was no room for compromise?
    Not within the budget?
    They didn’t want him back for some other reason.

  189. Wave Your Hat May 26th, 2010 at 11:03 am

    Matsui:

    .229/.302/ .373/ .675

  190. Wave Your Hat May 26th, 2010 at 11:05 am

    “WYH
    Are you saying there was no room for compromise?
    Not within the budget?”

    Yes, that’s what I’m saying. He wanted 2 years at $14MM per, and while he would have come down he wouldn’t have come down enough to play for us. He wouldn’t have accepted 1/$7MM from the Yanks.

  191. mick May 26th, 2010 at 11:06 am

    Matsui:

    .229/.302/ .373/ .675
    ================
    But would he have these #s in NY?
    Isn’t he playing some LF in Cali?
    Maybe he, as Melky, were more comfortable here?
    It must have some effect on the #’s.

  192. upstate kate May 26th, 2010 at 11:06 am

    thanks for the answer Jerkface
    lots of interesting discussion today

  193. Shame Spencer May 26th, 2010 at 11:07 am

    So of all the things this team could use right now, you guys are trying to say what we lack are aging outfielders that can no longer play the position full time?

  194. testy May 26th, 2010 at 11:07 am

    :-)

  195. mick May 26th, 2010 at 11:08 am

    This board always flows without the naysayers and OPP contingent.
    Oh, and I forgot the worriers.

  196. Billy D May 26th, 2010 at 11:09 am

    “There is no evidence to suggest that Gardner would score any more runs than Johnson given all other things being equal in the number 2 spot.”

    Sure. And it’s a small sample. 64 of Gardner’s 72 PA’s at #2 have come since 5/12, a period during which Teixeira reverted to life in April, Cano hit under .300 and OPS’d in the .700′s, while Arod hit quite well. Most of Johnson’s came in April when Cano was gangbusters, Teixeira was bad and Arod was pretty good. I don’t think there was a huge difference in what was going on behind them.

    You can play with stats a zillion different ways and I’m as guilty as anyone, but I can’t by that a speed guy at #2 isn’t going to score more than the plodding Johnson given the same production behind them.

  197. mick May 26th, 2010 at 11:10 am

    We could use a 1stBaseman who can hit.

  198. JoeV May 26th, 2010 at 11:11 am

    What’s OPP? We got a rap group on here?

  199. Erica - always OPPC - Sesame Street Mafia and GTLU supporter May 26th, 2010 at 11:15 am

    Shame Spencer May 26th, 2010 at 11:03 am
    Is there a 12 step program for Johnny Damon envy?? Some of the people on this board should start one. I can?t believe its almost June and we still haven?t stopped hearing about this nonsense..
    ****************

    As a longtime sufferer of such disease I believe Step One is saying Good bye :cry:

  200. Erica - always OPPC - Sesame Street Mafia and GTLU supporter May 26th, 2010 at 11:16 am

    mick May 26th, 2010 at 11:08 am
    This board always flows without the naysayers and OPP contingent.
    Oh, and I forgot the worriers.
    ************

    I believe thats OPPC

    And complaining about other people constantly always creates a pleasant atmosphere :roll:

  201. Jerkface May 26th, 2010 at 11:17 am

    Because I was bored here are the gamelogs for NJ getting on base and the results:

    - Walk, 2 outs, Tex flies out
    - Walk, 0 outs, Pop out by Tex, DP by A-rod
    - HBP, 0 outs, Tex force out @ 2B with the bases loaded
    - Walk, 0 outs, pop out by Tex, strike out, ground out
    - Walk 2 outs, RBI, fly ball by Tex
    - Walk 2 outs, K
    - Single, 2 outs, K
    - Single, 0 outs, Wild pitch to 2b, ground out, walk, ground out, K
    - Walk, 1 out, ground out to Pitcher / K
    - Walk, 0 Outs (man on 2b), GIDP from Tex
    - HBP, 1 out, Line out / CS
    - Walk, 1 out, K, single, ground out
    - Walk, 2 outs, RBI, single , flyball
    - Walk, 0 outs, Tex GIDP
    - Walk, 0 outs (man on 2b), Tex GIDP
    - Walk, 2 outs, Tex K’s
    - Single 2 outs, Tex K’s
    - Walk, 1 out (man on 2b), K, error, single, groundout (pena got the run)
    - Walk, 1 out, K, ground out

    Basically, Tex hardly ever did anything good after him.

  202. yankee21 May 26th, 2010 at 11:18 am

    have to agree with randy and some others on this point- it is very curious why Joe G refuses to use the running game when he has the tools to run. He seemingly insists on playing station to station baseball, very risk averse, hoping against hope that is stars will hit one out or smack one against the wall to drive a run in. It is frustrating as a fan of the team to watch this team seemingly give up its weapons and try to do battle,, one of their weapons is their speed;
    how often does Jeter, Winn, Russon, Gardner, A-Rod, and Granderson (when healthy) run when they’ve had a chance to run and it made sense? Too few times, very curious why.

    I’d like to see this question asked in an interview, what is the hesitation, he may have a rational answer, but then again he just may be a risk averse kind of mgr- which is ok if that is him but when he was hired, I got the impression he would be the kind of guy to take it to the other team, similar to the way Maddon plays.

  203. Erica - always OPPC - Sesame Street Mafia and GTLU supporter May 26th, 2010 at 11:19 am

    Jerkface-

    You really need more hobbies :-)

  204. Jerkface May 26th, 2010 at 11:19 am

    I should say, when NJ gets on base and DOESN’T SCORE.

  205. Billy D May 26th, 2010 at 11:20 am

    “Nick Johnson scored 100 runs in a TERRIBLE nationals offense in 2006.”

    True. That was before he became a total statue though. 46 doubles that year. Definitely helps a guy like that if he’s starting at 2B. :)

  206. rconn23 May 26th, 2010 at 11:20 am

    Sabremetric seems to be a buzzword today. I’m sure what follows will be the “geeks living in their mother’s basements” line that’s been regurgitated ad naseum by many hack columnists.

    Building a team around guys who have an ability to get on base is “dogma” it is winning baseball. The Yankees won the World Series using that model. Of course, you also need good starting pitching. But the team won more than 100 games last year because they had the best offense.

    The Red Sox 2004 team, specifically, was built around guys who were good at doing one thing – getting on base. Epstein focused on guys he get cheaply and who were undervalued in the marketplace – like Bill Muelller and Kevin Millar who had high .OBPs, and yes, David Oritz, who he got for pennies on the dollar.

    They had the best offense in baseball. It was an absolute machine. How many stolen base threats did they have. Damon.

    Jeter was on base at a .400 clip last year. He got on base a ton, and because he’s the one of the smartest baserunners in the league, he was able to get 30 steals.

    This year he’s around .320. OBP. very bad, especially for a leadoff hitter. You don’t get on base as much, you’re not going to get the opportunity to steal. It’s simple math.

  207. Shame Spencer May 26th, 2010 at 11:20 am

    Erica – I know its hard to say goodbye but at least you’re one of the few that still seems to remember that whole “Johnny Damon being offered a deal with the Yankees and rejecting it” thing. For whatever reason, that little bit of history keeps getting modified. I would have liked to see him or Matsui back as well. I thought for sure we’d have one or the other this season, but that isn’t how it worked out. At least Melky has been playing so badly that (for the most part) people haven’t mentioned it.

  208. Jerkface May 26th, 2010 at 11:22 am

    how often does Jeter, Winn, Russon, Gardner, A-Rod, and Granderson (when healthy) run when they?ve had a chance to run and it made sense? Too few times, very curious why.

    Jeter, A-rod, Gardner, and probably Granderson have the greenlight. If they’re not running they are not certain they can make it. Gardner has trouble running early because he is still working on reading pitchers.

    Winn & Russo are not really basestealers, and getting either on base is a minor miracle so the yankees aren’t going to send them with the offense struggling.

    I have said this a million times: Jeter, A-rod, & Winn can steal a base. They are NOT base stealers. They go in less than 10% of their opportunities. Base stealers go in greater than 20% of their opportunities.

    Russo can’t steal.

  209. Erica - always OPPC - Sesame Street Mafia and GTLU supporter May 26th, 2010 at 11:23 am

    Shame Spencer May 26th, 2010 at 11:20 am
    Erica ? I know its hard to say goodbye but at least you?re one of the few that still seems to remember that whole ?Johnny Damon being offered a deal with the Yankees and rejecting it? thing. For whatever reason, that little bit of history keeps getting modified. I would have liked to see him or Matsui back as well. I thought for sure we?d have one or the other this season, but that isn?t how it worked out. At least Melky has been playing so badly that (for the most part) people haven?t mentioned it.
    **********

    On the 12-step Johnny Damon recovery program (JDA – Johnny Damon Anonymous), I am past saying goodbye. I am up to at least step 3 or 4

    (Although, I haven’t exactly figured out what all 12 steps are yet, so I am making it up as I go along)

  210. yankee21 May 26th, 2010 at 11:24 am

    One other point, how long is Joe G staying with TEX in the 3rd spot? Yes, we all know TEX has an AS history, as a solid middle of the order bat, but his swing has been for the most part so out of whack this year, he is knocking the wind out of this team with his poor ABs in key situations.

    I’d drop him to 5th, and flip him with Cano, and move Cano into the #3 spot.

    Once he returns to the line-up, I’d like to see them try Granderson batting 2nd, particulary against RHP,, against LHP, I am ok with Swisher.

  211. Jerkface May 26th, 2010 at 11:25 am

    True. That was before he became a total statue though. 46 doubles that year. Definitely helps a guy like that if he?s starting at 2B.

    Right, and NJ had more than a few linedrives and hard fly balls caught early in the season. You let him get hot with the bat, collect some doubles and we’d see how many Runs he scored. Especially if Tex got hot.

    I hope my gamelogs proved to you that scoring runs is mostly a function of the hitters behind you and not really endemic of anything Nj was doing or cannot do.

  212. Rick May 26th, 2010 at 11:28 am

    It will be interesting to see who leaves when Granderson is activated on Friday. By right, Randy Winn should be DFA’d. He has no substantive value to this team.
    If only Colin Curtis were healthy ……………….

  213. mick May 26th, 2010 at 11:29 am

    erica, is that you or an imposter?

  214. Jerkface May 26th, 2010 at 11:29 am

    Rick,

    Of course they are going to send down Russo or a pitcher. I’d send down Pena before Russo though. They won’t drop Winn so easily.

  215. BFARBS May 26th, 2010 at 11:30 am

    tonight’s second game GTLU

    jeter ss
    gardner cf
    teixeira 1b
    rodriguez 3b
    cano 2b
    swisher rf
    thames dh
    winn lf
    moeller c
    pettitte p

  216. mick May 26th, 2010 at 11:31 am

    I guess the imposter problem has been solved.

  217. Jerkface May 26th, 2010 at 11:32 am

    (Although, I haven?t exactly figured out what all 12 steps are yet, so I am making it up as I go along)

    One of the steps should be ice cream

  218. Erica - always OPPC - Sesame Street Mafia and GTLU supporter May 26th, 2010 at 11:33 am

    mick-

    Its me. I am trying not to draw attention to that problem and just continue like everything is normal. This blog is too boring without me. The game thread was so dry last night

  219. Erica - always OPPC - Sesame Street Mafia and GTLU supporter May 26th, 2010 at 11:34 am

    Jerkface May 26th, 2010 at 11:32 am
    (Although, I haven?t exactly figured out what all 12 steps are yet, so I am making it up as I go along)

    ?

    One of the steps should be ice cream

    ******************

    I should never have used that metaphor

  220. Peepee Hands May 26th, 2010 at 11:36 am

    Anyone know where I can find the video of CC telling Cervelli to “get behind the $”%@-in plate”?

  221. Shame Spencer May 26th, 2010 at 11:37 am

    Step 5: Remember him with the beard.

  222. upstate kate May 26th, 2010 at 11:38 am

    Jerkface
    why would you send down Pena before Russo? b/c Russo is more versatile? or do you think he is a better player overall?

    it sounds like the real Erica, welcome back :)
    step 12 would be finding a new PBF

  223. Erica - always OPPC - Sesame Street Mafia and GTLU supporter May 26th, 2010 at 11:39 am

    mick May 26th, 2010 at 11:36 am
    Talk about an arrogant statement, ?This blog is too boring without me.? LOL!
    ***********

    Nah. I may have ego issues, but I am not arrogant. I am also the first person to poke fun at myself when I make a mistake. I am really not a monster Mick. Admit it- you want to like me :-)

  224. pat May 26th, 2010 at 11:39 am

    “I’d drop him to 5th, and flip him with Cano, and move Cano into the #3 spot.”

    So Alex could possibly get pitched around until Tex figures it out?

  225. Erica - always OPPC - Sesame Street Mafia and GTLU supporter May 26th, 2010 at 11:40 am

    upstate kate May 26th, 2010 at 11:38 am
    Jerkface
    why would you send down Pena before Russo? b/c Russo is more versatile? or do you think he is a better player overall?

    it sounds like the real Erica, welcome back
    step 12 would be finding a new PBF
    ********************

    I am nowhere near that step. I have not even removed the few Johnny Damon pictures I keep around my computers

  226. Shame Spencer May 26th, 2010 at 11:40 am

    Hey ya know what, I was reading through the comments and realized I don’t know what OPPC stands for either! For some reason I have the words “optimus prime” on the tip of my tongue but I think I’m confusing this blog and my little cousin’s TV habits..

  227. Erica - always OPPC - Sesame Street Mafia and GTLU supporter May 26th, 2010 at 11:42 am

    Jerkface May 26th, 2010 at 11:38 am
    Erica ? you really need a life
    **************

    Do you want to fight? :-)

  228. Jerkface May 26th, 2010 at 11:42 am

    why would you send down Pena before Russo? b/c Russo is more versatile? or do you think he is a better player overall?

    Russo is more likely to contribute with the bat and so far Pena’s defense just hasn’t been good enough to outweigh his noodle bat.

  229. Erica - always OPPC - Sesame Street Mafia and GTLU supporter May 26th, 2010 at 11:42 am

    Shame Spencer May 26th, 2010 at 11:40 am
    Hey ya know what, I was reading through the comments and realized I don?t know what OPPC stands for either! For some reason I have the words ?optimus prime? on the tip of my tongue but I think I?m confusing this blog and my little cousin?s TV habits..
    ************

    Official Positive Posters Club
    Although, I have been considering dropping it from my handle for a while now

  230. Jerkface May 26th, 2010 at 11:43 am

    Do you want to fight?

    Believe it or not, that wasn’t me. :x

  231. randy l. May 26th, 2010 at 11:45 am

    “You didn’t answer my question about Holiday. How would he have helped the #2 spot situation?”

    doreen-

    sorry. i didn’t see your comment. i’m just popping for time to time because of getting my business ready for this weekend.

    what i’m saying is that if cashman is going to be a sabermetric team that doesn’t run or play small ball out of the two hole , then they should have went the other direction all the way and got a basher like holiday.

    having speed guys who don’t use their speed make no sense. you have to match up the players with the style baseball you’re going to play.

    i think cashman is caught between two ways of playing baseball. playing either way is preferable to being in no man’s land.

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    Jerkface, I did see that. Certainly not arguing your point on what’s transpiring behind him being a factor. However, I’ve singled out a few from your list and respectfully ask whether you think a guy with outstanding speed could do some things that may have altered some of these results?

    - Walk, 0 outs, Pop out by Tex, DP by A-rod
    - Walk, 0 outs, pop out by Tex, strike out, ground out
    - Single, 0 outs, Wild pitch to 2b, ground out, walk, ground out, K
    - Walk, 1 out, K, single, ground out
    - Walk, 0 outs, Tex GIDP

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    having speed guys who don?t use their speed make no sense. you have to match up the players with the style baseball you?re going to play.

    The yankees speed threats are stealing as much as last year, they just aren’t as effective with the bats so its making everything look crappy.

    They don’t have the personnel to steal 60 bags per guy (which is what you want).

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    Because he didn’t want to pay premium for declining skills for a player who means little in the grand scheme of things to the history of the franchise. I love Johnny Damon, but he is a mercenary, always has been, always will be. The reason Johnny doesn’t stay some where is because he wants more money. That is his prerogative, but he bluffed, and the Yankees called him on it.

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    I hear all of you that don’t like moving Jeter back in the 2 hole because he has not been taking pitches and because of the double plays. BUT, didn’t the guy hit out of the 2 hole for lots of years; he must have been OK at it. Brett will be on second base after stealing it when Jeter hits behind him. Johnny Damon wasn’t stealing a lot of bases 2 years ago because his legs are old. That has a lot to do with Jeter’s high double play rate.

  238. Jerkface May 26th, 2010 at 11:50 am

    - Walk, 0 outs, Pop out by Tex, DP by A-rod
    - Walk, 0 outs, pop out by Tex, strike out, ground out
    - Single, 0 outs, Wild pitch to 2b, ground out, walk, ground out, K
    - Walk, 1 out, K, single, ground out
    - Walk, 0 outs, Tex GIDP

    Depends on how hard the double plays were hit, not sure how being on 2b with no hits to drive him in what was going to be helped by speed. Tex did hit into 12 double plays last year, and A-rod is always likely to hit in some double plays because he hits the ball so hard.

    Basically, Damon isn’t going to steal every single time on 1st and was part of a ton of DPs with Jeter and he had speed, so I don’t think it is a difference.

    What can be taken from the gamelogs is that our heart of the order has at times, been very ineffective.

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    I do find it amusing that the imposterators have at times, taken to posting completely innocuous things. Whats the intent there?

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    I do find it amusing that the imposterators have at times, taken to posting completely innocuous things. Whats the intent there?

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    No idea-
    But the imposter notified you all yesterday of a new thread in my name

    And there is a new thread right now so
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    I think speed on the base paths CAN help stay out of double plays, but where speed really helps is when the speedy guy is running to first.

    Slow guys will get doubled up on balls running to first that speedy guys wouldn’t, but most players are dead to rights at 2nd on anything normal to hard hit.

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    I didn’t say this 11:54 post either

    I would never call players ineffective

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