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Postgame notes: Winning the close ones

Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Notes, Podcast on May 26, 2010 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

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One week ago, the Yankees were winless in one-run games. After tonight’s wins, their past three victory have been one-run wins.

“If you’re going to win the division,” Mark Teixeira said. “You have to win the close ones.”

There were a lot of stars today, and that includes A.J. Burnett, who didn’t throw a single pitch and still picked up a win.

Target Field has been a tough park for home runs. The Twins have hit 38 homer this season, only 10 of them in their new stadium. The Yankees, though, won today on solo home runs from Derek Jeter and Nick Swisher. Then Mariano Rivera closed out both games for only his second and third saves of the month. All three of those saves, of course, have come in the Yankees three one-run wins.

“I actually thought his stuff was better the second game than in the first game,” Joe Girardi said. “But I won’t make a habit of that.”

Here’s Rivera talking about his day, especially his day compared to his struggles last week. “Everything,” he said. “The ball coming out of my hand. The movement. The location. Everything was better.”

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• Andy Pettitte was awesome. Plain and simple. No pitch today was bigger than his eighth-inning cutter to Joe Mauer, getting the MVP to ground into a double play that stranded the go-ahead run at third base. Awesome quote from Pettitte: “It’s a tough situation because he’s such a great hitter. I threw him a ball in the first inning that I didn’t think he could hit and he drives in a run, hit it the other way. You don’t know how he does it. He’s just amazing to watch. He’s like Derek. He can take balls that other hitters can’t handle and hit them the other way.”

• Speaking of Pettitte, he said his changeup was the best it’s been in a long, long time. He was especially happy with his command of the fastball, cutter and change.

• Good line from Swisher about the difficulty of getting a ball out of Target Field: “In this ballpark with the height of the fence, you really have to hit it up in the air. I was talking to a couple of guys on the Twins and they were talking about how balls travel down the line pretty well, but once you get into the gaps, 403 with a 30-foot wall, I’m not going deep over there. It’s not possible for me. I understand that.”

• As early as the seventh inning of the second game, Girardi called down to the bullpen to make sure Rivera knew to be ready. He was going to use him if the Yankees got a lead.

• Finally free to acknowledge the signing of Chad Gaudin, Girardi said he expects Gaudin to move into the long relief role while Sergio Mitre will move into that middle-inning role that Alfredo Aceves filled before he was hurt. Basically, Mitre replaces Aceves, Gaudin replaces Mitre.

• Remember when the Yankees were winning so many games early in the season? A lot of that was due to production at the bottom of the order. Tonight No. 7 hitter Francisco Cervelli walked twice and scored a run, No. 8 hitter Kevin Russo had two hits, an RBI and a run and No. 9 hitter Brett Gardner had a game-tying triple.

• Dave Robertson was hit in the lower back by that first-game line drive. “I probably wouldn’t use him anyway tomorrow because of pitches, but he’s OK,” Girardi said.

• Derek Jeter seems to have found his stroke again, and that includes a home run and a double today. “It’s good to see him get back in his legs,” Girardi said. “I think that’s important when you see him drive the ball like that. That’s a good sign.”

• Juan Miranda pinch hit for Marcus Thames in the second game and positively crushed a ball to center field. “That ball is way out in most stadiums,” Teixeira said.

Associated Press photos of Swisher and Robertson.

 
 

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136 Responses to “Postgame notes: Winning the close ones”

  1. I Collect Brett Gardner Cards May 26th, 2010 at 11:39 pm

    Bench gardner! lol he doesnt steal! lol

  2. CR9 May 26th, 2010 at 11:41 pm

    Im back. Night ruined. What a joke. Perkins received his 7th technical foul of the playoffs, and that’s an automatic suspension.

    But ESPN is saying the NBA will review it and rescind the technical so he is not suspended for Game 6.

    THIS IS A JOKE! A TRAVESTY!

    A technical is a judgment call the ‘great referees’ of this world. HOw can that be rescinded. What about balls and strikes, or foul calls!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  3. GreenBeret7 May 26th, 2010 at 11:43 pm

    15 walks in Lincecum’s last 3 starts and 11 earned runs in the last 9.2 innings. Does he need a boost? Is he hurt? Is he in need of “One Toke Over The Line” to get him through this downturn?

  4. I Collect Brett Gardner Cards May 26th, 2010 at 11:46 pm

    15?
    plus Doc getting lit up a bit, makes andy’s start look even better!

  5. Mike May 26th, 2010 at 11:46 pm

    CR9,

    They are a Boston team and they are starting to lose momentum – of course the NBA wants to assist them, even if it means bending their own rules.

    Wouldn’t expect anything else from the National Boston Association.

  6. CR9 May 26th, 2010 at 11:49 pm

    Mike

    Im going to remain hopeful that fairness and justice will prevail. He should not have either revoked. Bottom Line.

    Double Technicals are meant to defuse a situation. If Perkins cant keep his murderous nose out of other people’s business, he deserves the technical.

    And according to ESPN, Eddie Rush the referee could not see Perkins on his 2nd tech.

    Leaving out completely, maybe Perkins said something that Rush heard. But far be it for ESPN to speak the truth, those worthless pieces of carcillo.

  7. MTU (aka GBURL) May 26th, 2010 at 11:49 pm

    We’ve taken another series.

    Granderson returns Friday.

    The easy part of our schedule is upon us.

    We’ve managed to keep it close while banged up and underperforming.

    These are the signs of good things to come.

    Nite all. :)

  8. CR9 May 26th, 2010 at 11:51 pm

    Here is some sick delusional freak Celtics fan on the ESPN boards.

    “It’s momentum. You are playing and the refs are blantantly cheating it has an effect on the players. I think Orlando would have won if the refs would have called a straight game, but they had a clear agenda tonight to force a game 6. Did the refs cause a 20pt blowout? No, but they helped. “

  9. m May 26th, 2010 at 11:52 pm

    lol. That Lincecum sure likes to partake.

    As for the one-run wins. First thing I did when I came home was to check out mlb.com. First thing I noticed was that both wins were 1-run wins and I couldn’t remember the last time we won a 1-run game.

    Good times all around. Except Boston :mad: But then Tampa lost 3 games. :)

  10. Joba Tips his Cap May 26th, 2010 at 11:54 pm

    Both Jeff Van Gundy and Jackson agree that those 2 technical fouls should be rescinded.
    And I don’t think both of them are Boston fans.

  11. pistol pete May 26th, 2010 at 11:54 pm

    The Suns got screwed a couple years ago when their teammates came to Nash’s defense after Robert Horry hammered Nash. Even though justice would have let Amare play game 6 the league stuck to the rules. They must also do this with Perkins to keep any level of fairness. I believe Perkins will not play, if he does play it’s a joke and the league pandering to the famed Celtics. Here says he won’t play.

  12. CR9 May 26th, 2010 at 11:56 pm

    Joba

    Van Gundy (despite Stan being his brother) is up Bostons ***. And Jackson, while he is respectable, is rubbed off on by the 2 dirtbags, Gundy and Breen.

  13. CR9 May 26th, 2010 at 11:57 pm

    pistol pete

    They also screwed the Knicks in the fight between PJ Brown and Charlie Ward against the Heat with the knicks up 3-1 in the series in the 1990s.

    It turned out to be the only series of 4 we lost to the Heat in the 90s.

  14. I Collect Brett Gardner Cards May 26th, 2010 at 11:58 pm

    MTU (aka GBURL) May 26th, 2010 at 11:49 pm

    We’ve taken another series.

    Granderson returns Friday.

    The easy part of our schedule is upon us.

    We’ve managed to keep it close while banged up and underperforming.

    These are the signs of good things to come.

    Nite all.

    my new favorite poster

    :)

  15. antisocial scrooge May 26th, 2010 at 11:58 pm

    D-Rob looks a bit scary in that AP photo.

  16. Joba Tips his Cap May 26th, 2010 at 11:59 pm

    Joba

    Van Gundy (despite Stan being his brother) is up Bostons ***. And Jackson, while he is respectable, is rubbed off on by the 2 dirtbags, Gundy and Breen.

    wow, I wouldn’t go that far.

  17. CR9 May 27th, 2010 at 12:00 am

    that’s enough out of me!

    I’ll just continue hoping fairness prevails, and if it doesnt, then I’ll whine and complain!

    Nite all again!

  18. stuart May 27th, 2010 at 12:02 am

    they may DFA Winn and keep russo….

    that is not out of the question.

    btw logan going down is good news.

  19. m May 27th, 2010 at 12:02 am

    Anyhoo. Enough about Boston.

    Just watched a highlight of Gardner’s triple. (nice!)

    GB7,

    You’ve seen a lot of Russo. How fast is he on the speed scale? He’s having a nice debut so far.

  20. Spy May 27th, 2010 at 12:03 am

    CR9,

    Just think of Tim Olyphant to calm you down ;)

  21. Marcus May 27th, 2010 at 12:04 am

    Once Granderson comes back, Russo goes down.

    Why should he stay up here when he will only play once a week? Winn is fine in that role.

  22. Azaz May 27th, 2010 at 12:07 am

    cr9

    you are a delusional freak.
    I being a die hard knick fan hate the c’s ut perkins didnt deserve either technical.

  23. pat May 27th, 2010 at 12:16 am

    Gardenhire angry that Andy came out to warm up for the 9th to stall so Mo could get warmed up.

    “There should be a rule against such stalling, Gardenhire said.”

    “It’s a situation Major League Baseball needs to take care of. If your starter goes out there, he should have to face a hitter. That’s just the way it should be,” Gardenhire said. “You don’t get a guy up, that’s the way it should be, unless the other team makes a change.”

  24. GreenBeret7 May 27th, 2010 at 12:17 am

    Mel, Russo is no burner, but, I’d put it about where Jeter was about 5 years ago. He’s a good base runner and if he was playing every day, would probably steal 12-15 a year.

  25. CB May 27th, 2010 at 12:21 am

    Good starting pitching makes up for a myriad of sins. That’s been much of the story to the yankee’s season so far to date. Good to see the rotation starting to get straightened out again after those two bad turns through.

    What can you say about Andy. He’s a better pitcher now than he was 10 years ago. It wasn’t even that surprising to see him get Mauer to hit that ball on the ground with that cut fastball – even after he fell behind. They way he worked Mauer in that at bat – the quality of the pitches just out of the strike zone was tremendous. And it was unbelievably impressive to watch mauer take those pitches. But in the end that cut fastball in the zone had that late movement and just flinched away from the sweet part of the bat.

    Right now this team just needs to survive and get through this tough patch. These two games are the kind that you need to win when you’re scuffling. The offense right now reminds me of how it looked last season when the team went dry before that trip down to Atlanta. It’ll turn around.

    This team really misses Posada in the line up. The different is really remarkable. Cervelli has done a phenomenal job filling in but there’s just no substitute for a balanced, power bat like Posada’s – especially when that production come from behind the dish – it makes the line up so much longer.

    Jeter is starting to look better recently. He’s getting more lift on the ball and driving through on more of his swings.

    That swing that Swisher put on the ball he hit out – that was one of the best swings he’s put on the ball since he’s been a Yankee. The difference between him this year and last year is just truly hard to get over. He has a much, much more balanced swing. He absolutely rocketed that ball out of the park – but he didn’t try to dead pull the ball like he used to when he’d hit homers last season. Instead he kept his swing relatively short, stayed closed and turned on the ball and most importantly – hit the ball where it was pitched. He pulled the ball tonight because that was the natural thing to do given it’s location – not because he was trying to put a big swing on it or jerk it out. He looks like an all star caliber RF right now.

    Last year when the team struggled it got a very big shot in the arm from the minor league system – especially cervelli and in the bull pen. Watching Russo and Miranda you get a feeling that hopefully they are about the get a similar kind of pick me up from the minors again only this team in terms of position players. Russo has done a bang up job – both offensively and defensively. This is a guy who only played LF around 7 games or so in the minors. For him to be able to make that catch today – very impressive. And then he follows it up with that beautiful double. He has a very nice stroke. Miranda came up empty but he also looks like he’s going to be a solid contributor.

    The pitching getting back into form is the big story. That’s what’s going to give them the time needed to sort out their other issues, like getting Tex finally started again. He’ll do it – but they need time and only the rotation can give them that now.

  26. m May 27th, 2010 at 12:21 am

    pat,

    Just read about that on the espn recap. We probably would be yelling, too, if Boston did that to us. ;)

    I didn’t realize that we’ve won 12 out of the last 13 regular season games. and the ALDS sweep. Hope we can win tomorrow. It’d be nice to get on a roll.

  27. GreenBeret7 May 27th, 2010 at 12:22 am

    pat May 27th, 2010 at 12:16 am
    Gardenhire angry that Andy came out to warm up for the 9th to stall so Mo could get warmed up.

    “There should be a rule against such stalling, Gardenhire said.”

    “It’s a situation Major League Baseball needs to take care of. If your starter goes out there, he should have to face a hitter. That’s just the way it should be,” Gardenhire said. “You don’t get a guy up, that’s the way it should be, unless the other team makes a change.”

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    That’s just sad. I expected more from Gardenhire, espectially since he does it quite often. I’m guessing that it’s frustration doing most of that talking because of the fast 3-4 years against the Yanks.

  28. m May 27th, 2010 at 12:23 am

    From marchand’s blog:

    As a whole, the Yankees still aren’t hitting much in the clutch. They were 0-for-14 with runners in scoring position in the two games.

  29. GreenBeret7 May 27th, 2010 at 12:26 am

    CB, Miranda really clocked that ball in his 1 at bat. Hit it to dead deep center and just got under it. That bomb from Swisher was more like a high line drive and nailed the back wall on the fly. Probably his most impressive homer that I’ve seen.

  30. CB May 27th, 2010 at 12:30 am

    “That bomb from Swisher was more like a high line drive and nailed the back wall on the fly. Probably his most impressive homer that I’ve seen.”

    GB7-

    That’s exactly it. That’s why that home run from Swisher was so great to see. It was a mammoth line drive. It wasn’t one of those high fly ball homers he used to hit where he puts a huge swing on the ball and happens to make contact. His swing is much more balanced and much shorter now. It’s not an accident that he’s hitting for a higher average – there’s a real reason why. It’s the alteration of his swing mechanics. Good for him. He really does look like a legit all star.

    And Miranda – again he’s a guy like Russo who has a very good swing. He clocked that ball and almost anywhere else it’s a homerun. He’s going to be a very valuable piece this season given Johnson’s uncertain injury recovery. Hard to predict wrists.

  31. GreenBeret7 May 27th, 2010 at 12:31 am

    Vazquez can really give the Yanks a boost if he gets cloose to what Burnett and Pettite gave them. He’s got a tough customer facing him in Blackburn. The guy never walks anybody, so, attacking early is their best chance.

  32. GreenBeret7 May 27th, 2010 at 12:36 am

    I was shocked with Jeter’s homer in the first game. He hits a lot to left center, but, that ball just doesn’t seem to carry in Minnesota. Impressive in the length and the yiming.

    Did you read my post with Brandon Laird’s night, tonight. NYY would be making a mistake in putting him in a deal. 4-5 with a 2 run walk-off homer to left center, 3 RBI and hit for the cycle. He’s #4 in the minor leagues in RBI…not just the Eastern League, where he leads. Average up to .305.

  33. GreenBeret7 May 27th, 2010 at 12:37 am

    Correction: Impressive in the length and the ***timing***.

  34. Al Rivera May 27th, 2010 at 12:39 am

    CB

    With swish hitting 2nd, he will do what nick was suppose to do when healthly.

    And I also like the move of gardy going back to the ninth spot

  35. hmph May 27th, 2010 at 12:39 am

    I wonder when Ortiz had his last drug test… err…. vitamin test. I’m not buying that his resurgence is totally natural, not with how slow his bat had been.

  36. Bo knows May 27th, 2010 at 12:39 am

    Totally agree on Swisher, kudos to him for willing to change his whole approach while he’s a Major League ball player. When the guy showed up in a Yankee uniform I dreaded every facet of his game. I hated those cartwheels in the OF, those rainbow throws, all that bobbing and weaving in the batters’s box. Give him credit, he’s improved in every facet of the game. I actually stop and watch his at bats now. Nice to see.

  37. pat May 27th, 2010 at 12:40 am

    m

    I guess the PC thing to do in that spot is feign an injury. :wink:

  38. Rich in NJ May 27th, 2010 at 12:40 am

    I guess Swish is healing.

  39. Al Rivera May 27th, 2010 at 12:45 am

    Even the ball russo tried to get, the ball just died half way.

    But target field is a beautiful ballpark.

  40. GreenBeret7 May 27th, 2010 at 12:50 am

    pat May 27th, 2010 at 12:40 am
    m

    I guess the PC thing to do in that spot is feign an injury.

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    When a manager as good as Gardenhire pulls out that card (warm-ups), you know that the Yankees are in his head, and probably in the team’s head as well.

  41. Al Rivera May 27th, 2010 at 12:52 am

    Did you read my post with Brandon Laird’s night, tonight. NYY would be making a mistake in putting him in a deal. 4-5 with a 2 run walk-off homer to left center, 3 RBI and hit for the cycle. He’s #4 in the minor leagues in RBI…not just the Eastern League, where he leads. Average up to .305.

    *******************************************

    GB, defensively could he play OF?

  42. Bo knows May 27th, 2010 at 12:55 am

    One thing I was remiss in not mentioning. Long is fast becoming the batting instructor in the Majors. He doesn’t have a formula as such but tailors his work to the individual batter. He starts with basics and then works with the hitter. Totally amazing what he’s done with a number of players. The next challenge – Granderson. It will take time but I have complete confidence in Long. Going back to Swisher he would be the perfect before and after example of hitting in the Majors. From blind squirrel to the seeing eye dog.

  43. pat May 27th, 2010 at 12:59 am

    GB

    Twins haven’t hit a HR in the last 7 games so the frustration was already mounting. Jeter and Swish may have put them over the edge a bit today.

    Morneau is starting to get the same look David Wright had last year.

  44. 7789 May 27th, 2010 at 12:59 am

    Bo knows May 27th, 2010 at 12:55 am
    One thing I was remiss in not mentioning. Long is fast becoming the batting instructor in the Majors. He doesn’t have a formula as such but tailors his work to the individual batter. He starts with basics and then works with the hitter. Totally amazing what he’s done with a number of players. The next challenge – Granderson. It will take time but I have complete confidence in Long. Going back to Swisher he would be the perfect before and after example of hitting in the Majors. From blind squirrel to the seeing eye dog.

    ————————

    I agree Long has done a very nice job. I remember last world series they started making adjustments to Swisher swing. He has done a nice job with the young players like Gardner and Cervelli too. Gardner swing when he first came up two years is completely different now.

  45. GreenBeret7 May 27th, 2010 at 1:01 am

    Al, yeah, I’m pretty sure that both Laid and Romine could play corner outfield, Romine better, but, Laird would do about what swisher gives them. Pretty decent footspeed and a gun for an arm. Romine has very good speed.

  46. GreenBeret7 May 27th, 2010 at 1:04 am

    pat May 27th, 2010 at 12:59 am
    GB

    Twins haven’t hit a HR in the last 7 games so the frustration was already mounting. Jeter and Swish may have put them over the edge a bit today.

    Morneau is starting to get the same look David Wright had last year.

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    Morneau at least gets his on the road, but, Mauer isn’t even doing that right now. 2, I think and one of those at YS. It will be interesting to watch over the summer when it warms up in Minnesota. If it gets real bad, I’d bet the bring the fences in for next year.

  47. austinmac May 27th, 2010 at 1:07 am

    Here is an pretty amazing stat. Craig Heyer of the Tampa Yankees has pitched 35.2 innings with no walks allowed. He has also given up only 27 hits for that matter and has an ERA of 1.26. Don’t know if he is a prospect, but impressive numbers.

  48. robny May 27th, 2010 at 1:08 am

    2008 New York Yankees: Used 13 starting pitchers; Phil Hughes and Ian Kennedy without a win in 17 starts. Posada a key injury; starting pitching had more to do with absence from 2008 playoffs.

  49. Bo knows May 27th, 2010 at 1:10 am

    I agree Long has done a very nice job. I remember last world series they started making adjustments to Swisher swing. He has done a nice job with the young players like Gardner and Cervelli too. Gardner swing when he first came up two years is completely different now.

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    Gardner has a very nice stroke when he pulls the ball. His arms fly away when he goes to the opposite field. He seems disconnected – show him tape of Cano. To me, that’s the ulimate swing.

  50. GreenBeret7 May 27th, 2010 at 1:15 am

    Not sure about Heyer. He’s basically always been a relief pitcher until just recently. He’s adapting pretty well. He’s still just 24, but, he’s in High A ball. Strictly a pitch to contact type, much like Wang. 238 innings pitched and 37 walks, 125 strikeouts. I should say that he’s been a middle reliever and spot starter. Hard to argue with what he’s done, though. Drafted 3 times, twice by arizona in the low 30s rounds…22nd round by NYY in 2007.

  51. Damon enjoy 27....think 28 May 27th, 2010 at 1:29 am

    Would be nice to have an update on Robertson after he was nailed in the back by a pitch.
    Mariano between the 2 games threw 25 pitches, I wonder if Joe will use him tomorrow?

    Joe moving Swisher and Gardner in the line up created a win. Andy so deserved this win, he left the game with 94 pitches , just great.

  52. pistol pete May 27th, 2010 at 1:31 am

    The starters are saving this team and if Vasquez gets right the rotation is very very solid. That said the bullpen has been below avg and our hitters are struggling. Overall ops is down, we lack power, and need a bat. The hitters have been blessed with better than expected performance from Gardner, Cervelli, Russo, and Miranda. Pena needs to go back to the minors and we need a veteran utility guy like we had in Hairston last year and we really need to end another of Cashman’s mistakes by DFAing Winn. Poor guy is done, I hated this signing all winter and unfortunately was proven right. We need to replace him with a bat that can hit DH and play outfield. Time for Cashman to start shopping. This lineup simply isn’t long enough even when Granderson and Posada return. The Johnson signing killed us, we need a bat, now.

  53. trisha - Yanks on the way to 28! May 27th, 2010 at 1:36 am

    “If you’re going to win the division,” Mark Teixeira said. “You have to win the close ones.”

    Yep!

    Drat, I wanted to respond to SJ and GF but don’t know if either is still around. Norton was downloading one of my restores and I couldn’t break away (they take over your computer from a remote location and then they own it!)

    In case they’re around -

    SJ, players can still act as leaders even if they aren’t playing. You’ve seen injured players cheering the team on from the dugout. I don’t know whether Posada made the trip or not.

    ********************

    GF, to tell you the truth, there are several posters here who use every opportunity possible to interject Posada into the conversation whenever there is talk about Cervelli and to me it is always in a defensive posture. I have seen you do that on occasion. Maybe you don’t know you’ve done it. It’s almost as if the group goes tit for tat and feels the need to play “me up you down” whenever Cervelli is mentioned.

    You say it looks like I am always looking for an opportunity to take a shot at Posada. Not true at all. You have never seen me jump in and feel the need to talk about Cervelli if someone makes a comment about Posada. It would be ridiculous to do that because there is no comparison. In fact, earlier I referred to one poster in particular who was basically attributing the entire teetering of the team to the fact that Posada isn’t in the lineup. That’s why I pointed out that no one player causes the team to sink or swim. The team stepped up when we were without Arod, Molina, AND Posada – and they did admirably well. They stepped up when Jeter was taken out of service the first game of the season (I think it was the first game) and was out for six weeks. Do they miss Posada’s bat? Of course. Is it the difference between the team making the division or not making the division? Hardly.

    But I can always count on a run of lengthy posts that find a way to mention how necessary and missed Posada is, when there has been talk of Cervelli. It is very obvious that these posts are always by the same several posters and always motivated by their need to “strike back”. It’s the same group who were ballistic last season when the Posada-Cervelli talk began. I can set my clock by them.

    Meanwhile, I mention Cervelli anew because he happens to be in the lineup right now and happens to be our catcher. That’s the motivation – none other. I am more and more impressed with him all the time. He isn’t the grown up Posada, but neither was Posada his first few seasons with the Yankees!

  54. GreenBeret7 May 27th, 2010 at 1:40 am

    Not exactly what people are looking for from Winn. He only had 13 at bats in April, and his numbers are the same as Jeter’s in May (actually, Winn is hitting better in 40 fewer at bats). Are they supposed to DFA Jeter, too?

  55. GreenBeret7 May 27th, 2010 at 1:42 am

    Correction: Not exactly ***sure*** what people are looking for from Winn

  56. trisha - Yanks on the way to 28! May 27th, 2010 at 1:44 am

    On another note and a happy one IMO – Gaudin is back!!!!

    Whoda thunk it? Good for us. Timing is everything.

    And oh yeah, Tim Lincecum was handed his first loss of the season by none other than those precocious Washington Nats!!!!

    :)

  57. trisha - Yanks on the way to 28! May 27th, 2010 at 1:45 am

    GB – people are looking for perfection in Winn OR a reason to say “I told you so!” Both are flawed approaches. I’m still on board with Winn.

  58. The Other Phil (Don't feed the trolls) May 27th, 2010 at 1:46 am

    GB stop making sense.

    Some commenters here are beyond ridiculous. In the past few days, these are but a few of the comments I’ve seen:

    Drop Tex to 7th.
    Bench Tex for Miranda.
    DFA Winn.
    DFA Thames.
    Go get Oswalt!!1!11
    Cashman completely screwed up the off-season. He doesn’t know what he’s doing.
    Joe G. should be fired.

    The bridge jumpers never change and it’s one of the big reasons I’ve greatly reduced commenting.

  59. trisha - Yanks on the way to 28! May 27th, 2010 at 1:51 am

    “2008 New York Yankees: Used 13 starting pitchers; Phil Hughes and Ian Kennedy without a win in 17 starts. Posada a key injury; starting pitching had more to do with absence from 2008 playoffs.”

    Rob, absolutely correct. I remember hearing that the Elias Bureau said the Yankees set the record for the most starts by different pitchers in a season, and I think the number was more in the 40s! I will have to try to find it, but we did set a record for starts by different pitchers! That season was a disaster in terms of trying to find starting pitchers and keeping the rotation solid. And even with that the Yankees still came close to winning the wild card! Wow to that. It was definitely our pitching that season that kept us out of the playoffs. Maybe Posada’s bat might have helped us to win a game or two more but face it. If we had even semi-credible starting pitching all season we probably would have made the playoffs easily.

  60. Seven May 27th, 2010 at 1:53 am

    Wow Andrew Marchand is an idiot. The yanks just beat the twins twice today and are 10 games about 500. And he is ripping the team because they are struggling w/ RISP. Saying these two wins are just a mask covering up the team deficiencies. They will start hitting again with RISP like they have been doing most of the year there hitters are too good. They just been struggling a little this past week.

  61. Unknown May 27th, 2010 at 1:55 am

    Great day at the Park today. How Pettitte got out of that 8th inning is amazing. The crowd was sure worked up into a frenzy when Mauer stepped in. Old Yankee Dynasty showed up today. Pettitte, Mo, and, Jeter. I guess for today without Jorge it was the Core Three. GO Bombers!!

  62. pistol pete May 27th, 2010 at 1:56 am

    You Winn supporters are a joke, he’s being outplayed by Russo who is a minor league infielder, the guy’s done, finished. No power, can’t hit leftys, and he’s played a lousy leftfield. There are a million guys better than he is and he makes $2m, what a joke. For all you supporters how do you explain Girardi having more confidence in Russo than Winn who’s been a starter in MLB for over 10 yrs. Russo is a low ceiling minor league infielder called up strictly because of injury. I’ll bet when Granderson is activated Winn is gone and they’ll keep Russo. Winn and Johnson were $7.5m wasted in the offseason.

  63. GreenBeret7 May 27th, 2010 at 1:56 am

    trisha – Yanks on the way to 28! May 27th, 2010 at 1:45 am
    GB – people are looking for perfection in Winn OR a reason to say “I told you so!” Both are flawed approaches. I’m still on board with Winn.

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    It makes no sense. He had 13 at bats in April. The guy has been a starter his whole career, and a very good one. It’s like he’s going through ST again. He made a mistake in the outfield in his game the other night, but, he’s a solid outfielder and he can still hit and he’s a very good base runner. He’s won a couple of games with late inning hits. Basically, he’s filling Hinske’s roll from last year. He’s just fine for the job he’s asked to do, and, he makes no excuses and he never complains…at least not to the media. I’m happy with him.

  64. trisha - Yanks on the way to 28! May 27th, 2010 at 1:57 am

    And yes Posada’s bat would probably help drive in some badly needed runs. But we don’t have it so we have to make due without it. Simple as that. Good teams step up and get the job done. The Yankees are a good team.

  65. GreenBeret7 May 27th, 2010 at 1:58 am

    Watergun Pete, you still don’t know what the Hell you’re talking about. Go play with your dollies.

  66. GreenBeret7 May 27th, 2010 at 2:00 am

    Lord, that’s an ugly mistake.

    Correction: Hinske’s ***role*** from last year

  67. pistol pete May 27th, 2010 at 2:00 am

    The Winn love fest is laughable. He’ll be gone soon, hopefully when Granderson returns. He stinks, last years numbers showed he was finished, he hit 154 right handed with a 184 obp and 200 slugging. And we gave him $2m, please.

  68. Unknown May 27th, 2010 at 2:03 am

    Gardenhire is complaining that Girardi sent Pettitte out in the 9th to warm up and then had Mo come in to start the inning. Just a stall tactic to get Mo warm. Gardenhire is just plain sick and tired of losing to the Yankees. What a cry baby.

  69. Damon enjoy 27....think 28 May 27th, 2010 at 2:03 am

    Can you believe the Cardinals are in California playing the Padres in a 1-1, 12 inning game. Heath Bell blew the save 1-0 in the 9th, and now they are in the nightmare of a 12th inning.

  70. trisha - Yanks on the way to 28! May 27th, 2010 at 2:05 am

    GB, don’t forget you are on a forum of knee jerkers. They love Thames, they hate Thames. They love Winn, they hate Winn. Cripes I saw a total turn-around on poor Russo. The poor kid comes up fresh from the minors and does one hell of a job and then has a poor AB and some fool had a hostile comment to make about the “really poor AB” and wanted him out of the lineup.

    How in the world do they have the energy to flip flop on a daily basis or even moreso several times during a game???

    You and I have witnessed the ability to apply perspective to a season, and I think we do it as well as any and probably better than most. I don’t remember seeing you flip out based on a bad game, a few bad games, a bad streak, etc. In fact I don’t remember seeing you flip out. You wait and watch, you have faith in the players, and you realize that ups and downs are part of a season, and even more importantly, that bench players do not necessarily have the consistency that players do who get to play every day. That’s not rocket science. Look at Brett Gardner to get a handle on that one. And Francisco Cervelli. And any other player who gets to play in game after game, as opposed to a game here and a game there.

    I think the thing I find most offensive is people trashing players who are out there trying but for whatever reason aren’t having the results. Why trash them? Did they kill your dog? Are they not members of the team you supposedly root for? I’ll never understand it. I actually think it is really low rent behavior. JMO

  71. Damon enjoy 27....think 28 May 27th, 2010 at 2:10 am

    Cards /Padres 1-1 top of the 13th they go, this is a marathon. Padres beat the Cards yesterday 1-0 already.

  72. Carl May 27th, 2010 at 2:19 am

    J Hair!!

  73. Damon enjoy 27....think 28 May 27th, 2010 at 2:24 am

    Two games back to back Jerry Hairston jr has hit the game winning run for the Padres, to beat the Cardinals. So far he’s hit 2 runs all year, both against the Cardinals in this series, way to go Hairston.

  74. gfd May 27th, 2010 at 2:32 am

    bosox have passed Toronto and sit 5.5 GB in 3rd place.

  75. The Other Phil (Don't feed the trolls) May 27th, 2010 at 2:42 am

    Pathetic Pete: Granderson hit .163/.245/.239 v LH pitchers last year. Is he done?

    Winn is a ROLE player. His role is to play off the bench. That’s what depth players are. If Randy Winn is going to play a pivotal role in the Yankees success this year, the team has bigger problems than Randy Winn. But how nice for you to be able to pat yourself on the back and tell us all that you were right. Here’s a gold star.

    “Cash needs to go shopping”… the typical statement that makes people to hate Yankees fans.

  76. Jerkface May 27th, 2010 at 2:58 am

    Winn has been put back on the bench by a minor league infielder. When Granderson comes back they might as well get rid of him and keep Russo.

  77. Carl May 27th, 2010 at 4:02 am

    http://www.nypost.com/p/sports.....;FEEDNAME=

    Surgery may be season ending for Ace :(

  78. Bring in the Goose May 27th, 2010 at 7:17 am

    Where else can you get such great analysis after a game?

    This really is a great blog.

    Full of whiners, sure, including myself from time to time, but the postgame notes and insight from Sam and Chad are outstanding.

    Thanks for all the hard work guys.

  79. SJ44 May 27th, 2010 at 7:37 am

    Trisha,

    Being a leader isn’t about cheerleading on the bench and no, Posada didn’t isn’t on the road with the team.

    Honestly, when it comes to things between the lines, you really need to learn a few things instead of shooting from the hip and hoping you are correct.

    If you don’t believe this team misses Posada’s leadership, you really don’t watch the games.

    I know you have bizarro hatred of Posada for reasons only you know.

    But, that’s not even the point.

    The point is, you should try to learn more about the game before commenting on game/team dynamics.

    The belief that being a cheerleader is being a leader being another example of you not understanding some things.

  80. Fire Bud Selig May 27th, 2010 at 7:47 am

    What sort of season puts Pettite into HOF territory? 20 wins / 5x WS rings?

  81. blake May 27th, 2010 at 7:48 am

    The Yanks have almost weathered the storm.

    The schedule really lightens up after today and stays that way pretty much all of June and Granderson comes back tomorrow.

    Posada and Aceves will still hurt but given the schedule and injuries I think you have to be happy with being 3 back and 10 over .500…it could be much worse.

    Let’s hope they take advantage in June.

  82. upstate kate May 27th, 2010 at 7:51 am

    wow 2 exciting games, and people were complaining Jeter was washed up!

    I guess it is too early for the fake posters.

  83. sunny615 May 27th, 2010 at 7:57 am

    I’m hoping that the return of Granderson and eventually, Posada, will turn Tex and Arod around. They seem to be pressing some more – and it’s weird that I see Arod pressing because Tex is still slumping. Once everyone is healthy and productive, Tex will stop pressing as will Arod. For a while, Arod was the only power hitter hitting for a while and I think it played to his head. Cervelli is a great back up. But Posada is brings both lineup length and leadership to this team that Cervelli is still learning (the power not so much).

  84. GreenBeret7 May 27th, 2010 at 8:02 am

    upstate kate May 27th, 2010 at 7:51 am
    wow 2 exciting games, and people were complaining Jeter was washed up!

    I guess it is too early for the fake posters.

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    How do we know that you’re not the Fake Upstate Kate, or worse, her evil sister, Downstate Kate?

    j/k, Kate. How are you this morning?

  85. Doreen - GTLU Stuff & Photos May 27th, 2010 at 8:10 am

    sunny615-

    Tex had some nice cuts yesterday, including the non-double single in his last at-bat. Encouraging, anyway. :)

  86. Billy D May 27th, 2010 at 8:11 am

    “The schedule really lightens up after today and stays that way pretty much all of June and Granderson comes back tomorrow”

    Schedule really lightens up for everybody. Yankees, Boston and Tampa have a pretty easy month ahead.

  87. sunny615 May 27th, 2010 at 8:18 am

    True Doreen.

    I’m hoping he’s turned a corner, but he needs to do it more consistently before I start hoping again. I had thought so back in early May, but once the others went on the DL, he started pressing again and not-hitting. So that’s why I’m hoping that the return of Granderson and Posada will help him relax a little. Kinda funny that it has all the appearances that Tex and Arod are both somewhat of a headcase when it comes to hitting. But then, isn’t everyone?

  88. JM May 27th, 2010 at 8:36 am

    Like I have said repeatedly, I believe Posada is the heart and soul of this team. His competitive fire, his experience calling games, and his ability to hit situationally and for power are sorely missed. This not a knock on Cervelli, who has been terrific. But when Posada returns I really expect this team to go on a roll. Until then, if the pitching rights itself like it did today, the Yanks will be fine.

  89. BFKAD May 27th, 2010 at 8:38 am

    Selig,

    Nothing puts Pettitte in the HOF.

    He took steroids, he is out. I like to think someday the voters will lighten up, but if Rose doesn’t get in, no steroid user gets in.

  90. Fran (the original) and OPPC member May 27th, 2010 at 8:38 am

    The pitching was great the last two games. Mariano looked much better yesterday too. Hopefully he’s all the way back.

    I would like to see Granderson in the 2 spot and leave Gardner down in the 9 spot. Makes a circular line-up and gives the Yankees speed at the top and the bottom.

  91. mick May 27th, 2010 at 8:43 am

    Grandy cannot bat 2nd against lefties, at least not now.
    A platoon of Swish and him in the 2 spot will be fine.

  92. GreenBeret7 May 27th, 2010 at 8:46 am

    BFKAD May 27th, 2010 at 8:38 am
    Selig,

    Nothing puts Pettitte in the HOF.

    He took steroids, he is out. I like to think someday the voters will lighten up, but if Rose doesn’t get in, no steroid user gets in.

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    He didn’t take steroids. HGH isn’t steroids and there’s next to no proof or very little proof that HGH does anything to help an athlete.

  93. SJ44 May 27th, 2010 at 8:49 am

    I wouldn’t hit Gardner second because you lose the advantage of his legs.

    He’s a better hitter batting 9th because its like having another leadoff hitter in that spot and he is able to run more hitting 9th.

    Swisher or Granderson can hit second. Once Granderson gets in the swing of things, I’d try him there so the order isn’t set up to have back to back lefties in it.

    Jeter
    Granderson
    Tex
    Arod
    Cano
    Swisher
    Thames/Miranda platoon at DH
    Cervelli
    Gardner

    When Posada gets back:

    Jeter
    Granderson
    Tex
    Arod
    Cano
    Posada
    Swisher
    Miranda/Thames DH platoon
    Gardner

  94. GreenBeret7 May 27th, 2010 at 8:50 am

    Fran, I think that all Rivera needs is consistant playing time. He hasn’t had that all season, whether because of the injury or no game close enough to get him into. I think that as long as he’s healthy, Girardi will get him into at least 3 games a week, regardless of the score.

  95. Billy D May 27th, 2010 at 8:50 am

    “He took steroids, he is out. I like to think someday the voters will lighten up, but if Rose doesn’t get in, no steroid user gets in”

    Jury is still out on how PED users will be considered by HOF voters. Further they get away from the PED era, if indeed we’re actually getting away from it, the more likely some of these guys will be voted in.

    That said, I don’t think Pettitte is quite HOF level.

  96. BFKAD May 27th, 2010 at 8:53 am

    I knew someone would correct it to HGH but in the grand scheme he took PEDs in the voters eyes.

    Big Mac “only took Andro” it does not make a difference to the voters. Pettitte, unfortunately, cheated during his career.

  97. Rick May 27th, 2010 at 8:54 am

    And they want a new venue in Tampa Bay ? Tropicana Field seats 36,973 and for the 3-game Boston series the attendance was 22,147, 24,310, and 21,430.
    Joe Maddon said, ” I think the Trop is a little bit angry with us right now based on the commentary regarding a new ballpark. We’ve got to settle it down somehow. Either that or we’ve just got to go back on the road at some point. ”
    Their road record is 19-5 and home record is 13-10.

    Ortiz maximized the milkshake affect in the 3-game sweep. Isn’t he under random testing ?

  98. upstate kate May 27th, 2010 at 8:55 am

    Hey GB
    it is the real me! we leave today for a long weekend in Rays territory to visit family…I will be sure to bring Yankee gear w/ me :)

  99. GreenBeret7 May 27th, 2010 at 8:57 am

    Not saying that Pettitte is HOF worthy…yet. I wouldn’t count him out of pitching for at least 2 more years, though. Barring injury, he’ll finish this season at about 245-250 wins and 2250-2300 strikeouts, a .640 winning percentage with about a 3.90 career ERA. That gets him into the talks.

  100. SJ44 May 27th, 2010 at 9:00 am

    The Trop is on the wrong side of the bay.

    If they had a downtown Tampa stadium, they would draw a lot better.

  101. GreenBeret7 May 27th, 2010 at 9:02 am

    upstate kate May 27th, 2010 at 8:55 am
    Hey GB
    it is the real me! we leave today for a long weekend in Rays territory to visit family…I will be sure to bring Yankee gear w/ me

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    Sounds like a long trip, Kate. Are you driving down the I-95 corridor? Enjoy your time and watch out when you get in the water around Tampa. Those rays can hurt you. Have a safe trip and if you get the chance, take in a game at Steinbrenner Field. Beautiful place to watch a game with quality baseball.

  102. Billy D May 27th, 2010 at 9:04 am

    “The Trop is on the wrong side of the bay”

    Plus they draw poorly on weekday series (Mon-Thurs) anyway.

  103. GreenBeret7 May 27th, 2010 at 9:05 am

    I always thought that they should have enlarged Baseball City in Haines City and put the team there. Right off of I-4 and about 20 miles from Disney World. KC built it and it was a great place to watch baseball.

  104. upstate kate May 27th, 2010 at 9:07 am

    GB
    actually we were able to get a direct flight from Plattsburgh to St Pete, less tha $600 for the 3 of us. We will have to see about the baseball. I offered to take my Mom to a game, as we used to do, but she gets too tired these days.

    Other than moving to Tampa or Orlando, I don’t know what more the Rays can do to increase attendance. They have an exciting young team, they have a Sat night concert series, and other events.

  105. BFKAD May 27th, 2010 at 9:07 am

    That is another problem, given his on the fence HOF numbers and his use of PEDs, he has no chance.

    Clemens, Bonds, McGuire, Sosa, some of the greatest players of their generation will never sniff the hall. Pettitte could win 300 and still be left out of the party.

    Is Griffey Jr. a no brained?

  106. SJ44 May 27th, 2010 at 9:10 am

    I wouldn’t be so quick to judge HOF voters.

    Time will change a lot of minds.

    If Andy plays this year and next year, wins over 260 games, and has close to 20 post-season wins, he’s in the conversation.

  107. NYYROC May 27th, 2010 at 9:11 am

    Wouldn’t it be something if Andy made the HOF and his buddy Clemens didn’t.

  108. 86w183 May 27th, 2010 at 9:11 am

    Tampa Bay needs something in the same area as the Hockey arena. The location of the giant tupperware bowl they call a stadium is as big a deterrent as the god-awful facility itself.

    I wish people would stop calling those who used PEDs “cheaters”. There was no baseball rule against it and self righteous sanctimony doesn’t change that fact.

    This is another example of the failure of Baby Doc Selig to accept responsibility for the steroid era keeping an argument going that is absolutely against the best interests of baseball.

    Pettite has the same Hall of Fame chance as Mussina which is slim at best, but not because of HGH. Hall voters have failed to adjust their thinking and use of statistical milestones to the five-man rotation era. What 300 wins was 20 years ago is now 240 with starters getting 20 percent fewer opportunities.

    Mussina and Pettite had equal, and I would argue better careers than Gaylor Perry, Phil Niekro and Don Sutton…. but then again so did Bert Blyleven, Jim Kaat and Tommy John.

  109. JohnC May 27th, 2010 at 9:12 am

    How do they justify sending Russo down after the way he has played when Granderson comes back? Winn should be the one to go I agree. I like what I’ve seen from Miranda. He crushed that ball last night. Most parks, that ball is out, except Comerica.

  110. pat May 27th, 2010 at 9:12 am

    Clemens and Bonds, yes; but I’ve never thought of McGwire and Sosa as “some of the greatest players of their generation”.

  111. BFKAD May 27th, 2010 at 9:14 am

    The Trop is in a great location, tons of parking, right off I-275, easy access from Tampa. The problem is simply the market. I’ve been to games with 8000 and games with 30000 (yankees)

    Lightening don’t do well in downtown TB, Bucs sell out 7-9 games. The unemployment rate is high and no one wants to buy.

  112. NYYROC May 27th, 2010 at 9:14 am

    I noticed the Twins have #s of some of their star players on the OF wall: Killebrew, Puckett, Hrbek, Oliva. I was surprised Bert Blyleven’s # isn’t on their wall. It’s bad enough he can’t get into the HOF. But he can’t even get on his own team’s “Wall of Fame”.

  113. Billy D May 27th, 2010 at 9:14 am

    Actually like Mussina’s chances better than Pettitte’s. He was a better pitcher. Pettitte has never been a great pitcher, IMO. Rather, he’s been a good to very good pitcher who has played largely and very good to great teams. Mussina I believe has at least scratched greatness over his career.

  114. GreenBeret7 May 27th, 2010 at 9:14 am

    The Devil Rays problem is that there are 10 High A minor league teams in the area that are cheaper and easier to get to and the Tampa Yanks are drawing close to 2000 a game as are the other teams in the area. Only fans of the other teams are funneling money into the ball park. Nobody’s working because, other than tourism, there is no industry.

  115. 86w183 May 27th, 2010 at 9:15 am

    GB 7 — I went to baseball city and enjoyed it, but you have maybe 1,500 people living within ten miles of the park. You could never succeed with a big league team there.

    Downtown would work. East edge of Tampa near I-4, I-75 might be the perfect spot if there’s enough land available.

  116. randy l. May 27th, 2010 at 9:15 am

    “If you don’t believe this team misses Posada’s leadership, you really don’t watch the games.

    I know you have bizarro hatred of Posada for reasons only you know.

    But, that’s not even the point.

    The point is, you should try to learn more about the game before commenting on game/team dynamics.”

    sj44-

    thanks for putting that directly and simply.

    the obsession with cervelli and the obsession against posada is an insult to both cervelli and posada because the two guys are teammates who support each other as teammates.

    for someone who says no single player is more important than the team, it’s amazing how much focus went towards a player who had none of the yankees 15 hits in the two games.

    how about some love for jeter’s or swisher’s homeruns?

    the think i liked about cervelli in the second game was the 23 pitches he faced which led the yankees in the second game .

    now that’s something legitimate to applaud cervelli for.

  117. pat May 27th, 2010 at 9:16 am

    “How do they justify sending Russo down after the way he has played when Granderson comes back?”

    Russo- young player who needs consistent playing time because he has value to the organization and he won’t get that playing time sitting on the bench.

  118. blake May 27th, 2010 at 9:18 am

    I don’t think its a coincedence that the only year that the Yankees have missed the playoffs in the “Jeter era” was the year Posada got hurt…now granted that team had a lot of other issues but Jorge is the field general…he has been over looked and underappreciated for years.

  119. BFKAD May 27th, 2010 at 9:18 am

    Big Mac and Slammin Sammy revived baseball for many. I would put them in the best of their generation for that alone.

  120. NYYROC May 27th, 2010 at 9:18 am

    Cervelli’s hustle on the would be DP grounder enabled him to be on base to score on Russo’s double. Gotta like his hustle.

  121. blake May 27th, 2010 at 9:22 am

    I think there are 5 things that separate Pettite from Mussina..titles and playoffs success should count for something in my book. You could argue that Andy has been the best big game pitcher of this era….certainly one of them. They use that argument when they discuss why Kirby is a HOF and Mattingly isn’t right?

  122. NYYROC May 27th, 2010 at 9:23 am

    Back when Sosa and McQuire were hitting all those HRs I (and most people) never heard of PEDS. But it just seemd that something was odd because in the history of the game only 2 players (Ruth & Maris) had ever hit 60 HRs in a season. Now suddenly 2 or 3 guys were doing it in the same year. I believe Sosa topped 60 3 consecutive years. I couldn’t explain it but it just seemed suspicious.

  123. 86w183 May 27th, 2010 at 9:24 am

    No knowledgeable baseball fan would downgrade Posada’s value. That’s just dumb. But Cervelli has been very important this year and will probably end up catching 70 games and maybe more.

    Mussina is slightly ahead of Pettite in most statistical categories, but I see them as very comparable overall.

    Mussina 270-153 3.68, two losing seasons, one 20 win season, ERA+ 123, 7-8 post-season

    Pettite 235-136, 3.88, zero losing seasons, two 20 win seasons ERA+ 116, 18-9 post-season

  124. TheDrB May 27th, 2010 at 9:24 am

    “SJ44
    When Posada gets back:

    Jeter
    Granderson
    Tex
    Arod
    Cano
    Posada
    Swisher
    Miranda/Thames DH platoon
    Gardner”

    I might platoon Cervelli at DH as well as at catcher when Posada comes back. He doesn’t hit for power, but there is plenty without the #8 spot.

  125. randy l. May 27th, 2010 at 9:24 am

    the yankees are back to ten games over .500.

    that’s the number than keeps me happy while they weather the injuries and slumps.

    on another note , i really like the twins ball park.

    there are so many interesting plays in the outfield caused by the dimensions and shape.

    gardner would be really valuable to the twins in that ballpark.

  126. pat May 27th, 2010 at 9:25 am

    Being a one dimensional sideshow attraction does not make you a great baseball player.

  127. GreenBeret7 May 27th, 2010 at 9:25 am

    86w183 May 27th, 2010 at 9:15 am
    GB 7 — I went to baseball city and enjoyed it, but you have maybe 1,500 people living within ten miles of the park. You could never succeed with a big league team there.

    Downtown would work. East edge of Tampa near I-4, I-75 might be the perfect spot if there’s enough land available.

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    With Orlando less than 30 miles away and all of the other towns around there, mostly retirees from other areas and Disney being 15 miles away, they’d draw at least as much as Tampa does. Those minor league cities around Tampa syphon off a lot of fans and money.

  128. SJ44 May 27th, 2010 at 9:28 am

    Randy,

    That’s what I don’t get. Its not a Cervelli v. Posada thing.

    Especially when its “conveninent” to leave out some of Cervelli’s mistakes.

    Such as the dumb throw to second in the Tampa game, which changed the Crawford AB and the momentum of the game in Andy’s last start.

    Notice last night, Cervelli didn’t waste throws to the bases in Andy’s start. He was much more quiet back there and stole some strikes because of it.

    Its also funny how she doesn’t discuss CC telling Cervelli to “get his @#@ back behind the @##@$ plate” as he did Sunday night. Funny how that’s left out of the “analysis”.

    Look, Cervelli has done an outstanding job filling in for Posada. “Filling in” the key phrase here.

    He’s not a better player than Posada. In fact, he’s not close to that level and this team NEEDS that level from the catching position. Its what separates it from their major competitors.

    Posada lengthens the lineup, leads by example, and is not a guy easily replaced. As we have seen when the team struggles in the games he misses.

    I just don’t get the Posada hate from some. Especially when reality slaps them in the face everytime when you see how much less of a team this is when he isn’t in the lineup.

  129. TheDrB May 27th, 2010 at 9:28 am

    Anyone have any idea when Venditte might start moving again?

    I’m interested to see if he can defy expectations at some higher levels. He’s been pretty good at High-A.

  130. BFKAD May 27th, 2010 at 9:28 am

    Two guys hitting HRs like that was suspicious, but everyone in baseball knew why.

    PEDs were revamping the game the $ was great. Then, after baseball was back, Selig wanted to throw his best employees under the bus. Some leader.

  131. Steve May 27th, 2010 at 9:30 am

    As said in the last few weeks by many posters, all Mariano needs is regular work, be it save or no save situations. Other than the brief soreness he had on his left side, he’s been available in games he wasn’t used in.
    Being a team guy, he NOT all about save situations. His place in the HOF is assured. All he needs is a steady diet of 3 appearances each week and his pitching mechanics stay sharp.

  132. GreenBeret7 May 27th, 2010 at 9:30 am

    The difference between Pettitte and Mussina was pretty obvious last night. Mistakes or errors behind Mussina would rattle him quite often and he’d have trouble pitching around them. Pettitte seems to get more determined. There were 3 innings that it could have gotten away from him last night, and it didn’t happen.

  133. GreenBeret7 May 27th, 2010 at 9:36 am

    Posada gives the Yankees something else that other players don’t…much like Jeter, Pettitte and Rivera…..attitude. Posada’s attitude is more apparent and right out there for all to see. It’s like a “You don’t want to screw with me or this team” attitude. That means a lot when teams are as closely talented as the AL East teams are. Youkilis has that kind of attitude.

  134. randy l. May 27th, 2010 at 9:49 am

    “Its also funny how she doesn’t discuss CC telling Cervelli to “get his @#@ back behind the @##@$ plate” as he did Sunday night. Funny how that’s left out of the “analysis”.

    sj44-

    i didn’t know that happened but it doesn’t surprise me. when things are going bad, over enthusiasm doesn’t play out well with veterans.

    that said,i think both of us agree cervelli’s young legs and energy is a good thing. he’s actually a good compliment to posada at this point in his career.

    i really have had to separate cervelli in my mind from the posada bashers. it’s not his fault they’re pitting him against posada.

    i figured that girardi would, behind the scenes, privately tell cervelli to tone it down throwing to bases trying to catch napping runners. it’s just risky baseball doing it too much and is trying to force the game instead of letting the game come to him.

    he’s young though and with a veteran team will learn quickly when he crosses the lines.

    a big dog like sabathia will correct a young pup with a swat and it won’t happen again.

  135. Rick May 27th, 2010 at 9:53 am

    GB-7

    The only “High A” minor league cities that can have a direct effect on Rays attendance are Dunedin, Lakeland, Clearwater, Tampa, Bradenton, and Port Charlotte where the Rays also have a High A team.
    All others are too far east and south to have an impact. Going back to the mid 90′s, the Rays (or Devil Rays) franchise was never marketed correctly to begin with. They were awarded a franchise out of indifference in the last expansion (with Arizona in the NL) after being used by ‘Frisco, Minnesota, Cleveland, and the White Sox as those teams wanted a new venue and used St. Pete as a wedge.
    The Steinbrenner infuence in the Tampa Bay area remains strong.

  136. 86w183 May 27th, 2010 at 10:03 am

    Rick —

    I agree the team was not marketed properly. Nor did it make intelligent personnel decisions early on, starting with trading young OF Bobby Abreu for a journeyman caliber SS (Kevin Stocker) in the expansion draft.

    Then they wasted $$$ tens of millions on guys like Wilson Alvarez and Greg Vaughn among others.

    They are running the team well now, but won’t be able to sustain it without a ballpark that is properly located and designed for baseball.


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