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Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Today in the Journal News on May 27, 2010 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

Playing in a hard-to-homer ballpark, the Yankees hit two big home runs on Wednesday and won a pair of games against the Twins. The home runs were huge, but the Yankees couldn’t have won without masterful performances from their pitchers who ultimately allowing two runs in 18 innings, with Mariana Rivera getting the save in each game.

That very same pitching staff got some help on Wednesday when Chad Gaudin signed a major league deal and rejoined the bullpen as a long reliever, bumping Sergio Mitre into more of a middle relief role. The notebook also has items on Alfredo Aceves, Boone Logan, Curtis Granderson and Kevin Russo.

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  1. Kevin Youkilis' Halitosis May 27th, 2010 at 9:23 am

    what a difference a day can make! 2 HUGE wins.

  2. JohnC May 27th, 2010 at 9:25 am

    Yep,And with hardy any offense. Anyone happen to see the Bon Jovi concert? Have tickets for his last show at Meadowlands Jul. 9. Have never seen him in concert before. Hope he does alot of his old hits.

  3. YankeeRay May 27th, 2010 at 9:29 am

    Joe got it right with Swisher in the 2 hole.
    Now if he would only listen and drop Tex to the 5 hole and move Arod and Cano up 1 spot we will be in business.
    This will allow Tex to relax a little and get him going while putting your best 2 hitters in the 3/4 holes. Why doesn’t this make sense?

    Is Joe afraid to hurt Tex’s feelings? He hasn’t hit at all and dropping him won’t hurt but only help.

  4. JohnC May 27th, 2010 at 9:32 am

    Congrats to Lee DaWyze as the ew American Idol. I’ll miss Simon though. Auditions won’t be the same without his snarky comments.

  5. SJ44 May 27th, 2010 at 9:33 am

    Tex had better swings last night than he has had in 3 weeks.

    I don’t think you can move him. Especially without Posada and Granderson in the lineup.

    You just have to ride it out a little while longer.

  6. Eric May 27th, 2010 at 9:39 am

    MARIANA RIVERA? Is that Mo’s sister???

  7. GreenBeret7 May 27th, 2010 at 9:40 am

    The difference between Pettitte and Mussina was pretty obvious last night. Mistakes or errors behind Mussina would rattle him quite often and he’d have trouble pitching around them. Pettitte seems to get more determined. There were 3 innings that it could have gotten away from him last night, and it didn’t happen.

  8. GreenBeret7 May 27th, 2010 at 9:40 am

    Posada gives the Yankees something else that other players don’t…much like Jeter, Pettitte and Rivera…..attitude. Posada’s attitude is more apparent and right out there for all to see. It’s like a “You don’t want to screw with me or this team” attitude. That means a lot when teams are as closely talented as the AL East teams are. Youkilis has that kind of attitude.

  9. Doreen - GTLU Stuff & Photos May 27th, 2010 at 9:40 am

    Yankee Ray-

    One Change at a time. Let’s see if he keeps Swisher in the #2, and see how that maybe affects Tex’s at-bats. If not, then maybe you make a further adjustment, but last night Tex showed some positive signs (I know, he’s done that before). :)

  10. MTU (aka GBURL) May 27th, 2010 at 9:42 am

    Tex is just saving it up for the second half.

    And it’s gonna come on like a wave. A tsunami that is ! :)

  11. MTU (aka GBURL) May 27th, 2010 at 9:44 am

    GB-

    Posada and Mo.

    Fire and Ice.
    :)

  12. Wave Your Hat May 27th, 2010 at 9:45 am

    The big drag on Pettitte’s HOF chances is his career ERA. It is very, very high for a HOF pitcher, and while there are reasons for it such as pitching in the AL East and during a high scoring ERA, the guys he will be compared to – Maddux, Glavine, Pedro, Roger for instance – all had much lower career ERA’s. He’s never won the Cy Young award.

    On the other hand Andy is undoubtedly famous, has pitched in a lot of post-season games, and has won a lot of them. He’s finished in the top 10 of Cy Young voting 5 times. Those things will help.

    If he should manage to win the Cy Young award this year it would be a huge boost. Otherwise I think he’s got to get close to 300 wins, at least over 275 and without a Cy Young I’m not sure that does it.

    I’d vote for him but then I’m a big fan of his.

  13. MTU (aka GBURL) May 27th, 2010 at 9:45 am

    Kate-

    Have a safe trip. :)

  14. blake May 27th, 2010 at 9:46 am

    The ball tex lined to 1B last night was maybe the best swing I’ve seen him make all season..now it was from the right side but still a positive sign in the approach.

  15. Bob Aboey May 27th, 2010 at 9:47 am

    If Tex would work on getting his swing more level and not upper cutting the ball, he might be able to connect better.

  16. ac1 May 27th, 2010 at 9:47 am

    i also like swish in the 2 hole and gardner back to 9th. With Granderson back this weekend, they should be able to ride the games until Posada gets back.

  17. Paul T May 27th, 2010 at 9:47 am

    I know this takes a ton of hard work, but the number of typos on this blog continue to amaze me.

  18. blake May 27th, 2010 at 9:48 am

    Johnc,
    I saw bon jovi in Charlotte about a month ago….me, my wife, and about 20,000 middle aged women had a blast. Seriously it was a great concert…played most of his old stuff.

    For the encore he came out and said…”whoops its 1984 again”..awesome.

  19. upstate kate May 27th, 2010 at 9:48 am

    thnaks MTU
    just a quick family visit, no hiking this time :)

  20. GreenBeret7 May 27th, 2010 at 9:49 am

    Aceves is going to be missed, but, he came out of nowhere two years ago to do his thing. His stuff is no better than Gaudin’s or Mitre’s, just that he’s done it. Gaudin did it for the Yanks during his stay and Mitre has do it this year. They can make up for the loss. They key is getting Granderson back and Posada healthy. The bullpen will shake out their issues and end up being a force again. There are few if any better 5 man rotations than what the yankees roll out there every night.

    The Post had an article on some flaws that Sabathia and Eiland found in Sabathia’s mechanics, so, his next start against Cleveland should be interesting.

  21. ac1 May 27th, 2010 at 9:49 am

    Wave, the other glitch on Pettitte’s career is the HgH. TThat being said, how can one argue with his sustained success and postseason career over 16 years?

    I will scream if Schilling gets in but not Pettitte.

  22. MTU (aka GBURL) May 27th, 2010 at 9:50 am

    Kate-

    It’s nearly impossible to hike on a flat surface.

    Dolphins love the area though. :)

  23. vblade May 27th, 2010 at 9:55 am

    I didn’t know Mo’s sister was pitching :D

  24. MaineYankee May 27th, 2010 at 9:59 am

    By the time Andy is eligible for the HOF they may find some PED users are already in. The chances that some are now is high imo.

  25. Patrick May 27th, 2010 at 10:00 am

    This isn’t Yankee related but has anyone been paying attention to Ubaldo Jimenez?

    Last year he had a good season – 15-12, 218 innings, 3.51 ERA. Plus he led the majors in average fastball velocity at 96.1. Well during the offseason several of us were discussing pitchers that might break out. I thought Porcello and Kershaw would have stellar seasons (sort of half right). But CB said Jimenez was going to have a great season. So I thought I’d give CB his props because he was 100% right. Look at Jimenez’s stats as of right now:

    9-1, 0.88 ERA, 0.93 WHIP and once again leading the majors in fastball velocity at 96.8! Yeah he legitimately sits at 97+

  26. MaineYankee May 27th, 2010 at 10:02 am

    GB7

    Some like to use Posada’s disposition as a negative instead of realizing that is needed on a team.

  27. rodg12 May 27th, 2010 at 10:03 am

    I’m a fan of Swisher in the 2 hole. I think him at 2 and Gardy at 9 is a better arrangement for all concerned. Miranda/Thames can handle the 6 hole.

    Patrick – well aware of Ubaldo’s success. I picked him up for $1 in my big money keeper auction league last year. :)

  28. Patrick May 27th, 2010 at 10:05 am

    I did not see the Bon Jovi concert but it was the reason I was stuck in traffic for awhile going home last night :(

  29. Patrick May 27th, 2010 at 10:05 am

    rodg12,

    Haha not a bad deal for the best pitcher in baseball so far this year :)

  30. GreenBeret7 May 27th, 2010 at 10:07 am

    One thing that happened in the trenton game last night that made it unusual was that Erie catcher had 3 homers, that helped to blow DJ Mitchell’s outstanding game. Laird hit a walk-off 2 run, 2 out homer with Trenton down by a run and a runner on first base, to complete his cycle. It was only the 2nd cycle ever for a Trenton team. Laird was 4-5 and is hitting .305. The youngster is a lot better hitter than people give him credit for.

    http://web.minorleaguebaseball.....;fext=.jsp

  31. rodg12 May 27th, 2010 at 10:10 am

    Patrick -
    Yeah, I’ve been really happy with that selection the last two years. Get to keep him for one more year after this at that price too. I also have him in our lohud blog readers CBS sportsline league that Fran put together.

  32. Patrick May 27th, 2010 at 10:12 am

    rodg,

    I have him in a Yahoo fantasy league I’m in. He’s basically carrying my pitching staff right now

  33. pat May 27th, 2010 at 10:13 am

    A quick peek at a Twins blog this morning shows fans are the same everywhere.

    Alot less volume and venom than would have been posted here had the Yankees lost the last 2 games but the themes were similiar- When is this gutless, overpaid offense going to start hitting. :wink:

  34. GreenBeret7 May 27th, 2010 at 10:14 am

    MaineYankee May 27th, 2010 at 10:02 am
    GB7

    Some like to use Posada’s disposition as a negative instead of realizing that is needed on a team.

    ———————————————————————————————————————-

    Not only does his attitude annoy the other teams, but, it seems that the Yankees get a good chuckle over it, and that helps to keep things loose. He just wants to win. He doesn’t have that overbearing type attitude of an AJ Piersynski or a Varitek, but, I don’t think anybody wants to make him mad. Much like his post season numbers aren’t that great, but, his timing is. He just knows when to unleash “THE TUDE”.

  35. 86w183 May 27th, 2010 at 10:15 am

    As I mentioned in the previous discussion a key area where Hall of Fame voters have not adjusted their thinking is the five man versus four man rotation. Most guys in the Hall were making 40-42 starts a year while newer candidates will have been making 32-34. That’s basically 20 percent fewer starts over the same career.

    The benchmark of a 20-win season up to say 25 years ago calculates to 16 in this era. That’s basically winning half your starts. Andy has 235 wins and 467 starts. Two other things that should help him… he has 18 post-season wins and has never had a losing record.

    Mussina’s candidacy will be fascinating because if you consider the five-man era, the steroid era and pitching in baseball’s toughest division his numbers are vastly superior to current Hall of Fame members Don Sutton, Phil Niekro and Gaylord Perry among others. The level of support he receives will be a clear indicator of Pettite’s chances.

  36. How about that!! May 27th, 2010 at 10:20 am

    anyone see david ortiz hit the ball through an empty left side of the infield for a hit in last nights game? Someone should put a replay of that on a continous loop and put the TV right next to Tex’s locker today

  37. GreenBeret7 May 27th, 2010 at 10:23 am

    Only two pitchers in history have started their careers of at least 15 years without ever having a losing season….Cy Young aand Andy Pettitte. The record is Pettitte’s if he finishes this season over or at .500. That’s impressive.

  38. Chip May 27th, 2010 at 10:24 am

    While Aceves will be missed, I don’t believe that losing him for the season will break the Yankees.

    If the combination of Robertson, Park, Melancon, Gaudin, Mitre, Sanchez can’t fill the gap I have no doubt that the Yankees will be able to go out and add another arm to the pen.

    Personally, the guy I would target is Matt Thornton out of Chicago – even though he’s a left hander. I’m not in favor of giving up a lot for a middle reliever, and even if the White Sox were to fall out and become sellers, I think Thornton would be a pricey target – but he might well be worth dealing a good prospect like Melancon for.

    Check out his line:
    19 G, 19 IP, 4BB, 9H, 28K, 1.89ERA, 0.68 WHIP

    Also, with Granderson coming back this weekend (most likely) I have to wonder what the roster move will be.

    The obvious move would be sending Russo back to AAA, but would the Yankees keep him up and release Randy Winn? I think it would be kind of a waste to keep Russo up and sit him on the bench, but I think we can all agree that the Yankees think Winn is toast as evidenced by the fact that Russo is now the starting LF and Winn can’t get on the field.

    One more point:
    I’m in agreement with Jack Curry. I know Cervelli is a young guy but he’s caught every inning since Posada went down. It might be time to give Chad Moeller a game.

  39. Patrick May 27th, 2010 at 10:25 am

    Mike Mussina 100% deserves to make the HoF. I’m undecided on Pettitte but with the way he’s pitching now I don’t see why he can’t keep playing for a few years and make it in too.

  40. GreenBeret7 May 27th, 2010 at 10:25 am

    How about that!! May 27th, 2010 at 10:20 am
    anyone see david ortiz hit the ball through an empty left side of the infield for a hit in last nights game? Someone should put a replay of that on a continous loop and put the TV right next to Tex’s locker today

    ———————————————————————————————————————-

    There’s nothing that Big Hefty can teach Teixeira about baseball, either hitting it or fielding it.

  41. Duff Mulligan May 27th, 2010 at 10:28 am

    43 RBI already for Brandon Laird. That’s pretty damn impressive.

    He can obviously hit. Does he project as an MLB-caliber defender?

  42. Patrick May 27th, 2010 at 10:29 am

    Thornton is legit but the White Sox aren’t trading him unless they fall out of the race and the Yankees offer a top prospect. I’m not sure Cash would be willing to give up a top guy for a reliever.

    It’s a tough call with Randy Winn. When Granderson comes back I suspect the 4th outfielder will get some playing time but not a whole lot. Thames becomes the platoon partner at DH so he’s not going to play the OF much until Johnson comes back. I think the Yanks go with Russo because even though it won’t help him to sit in on the bench a lot, he helps the team more than Winn.

  43. MTU (aka GBURL) May 27th, 2010 at 10:29 am

    GB-

    “There’s nothing that Big Hefty can teach Teixeira about baseball, either hitting it or fielding it.”

    Sounds like a trash bag. :)

  44. randy l. May 27th, 2010 at 10:31 am

    patrick-

    mussina could have walked into the hall of fame had he thrown up an in before his last season when he was told to do so or go to the bullpen.

    his refusal to do this earlier cost him and the yankees a lot of wins .

    so if he doesn’t get in , it’s his own fault.

  45. blake May 27th, 2010 at 10:31 am

    GB,
    Wow that post about Pettite and cy young is impressive. Talk about consistency.

  46. GreenBeret7 May 27th, 2010 at 10:32 am

    Duff Mulligan May 27th, 2010 at 10:28 am
    43 RBI already for Brandon Laird. That’s pretty damn impressive.

    He can obviously hit. Does he project as an MLB-caliber defender?

    ———————————————————————————————————————-

    He can play solid defense at 3rd and 1st. I’d try to get him some time in a corner outfield spot, though, along with Romine. That’s where the Yanks need help in the system. Power bats in the outfield.

  47. Backbench May 27th, 2010 at 10:34 am

    Just another note as to how entertaining and unpredictable this season could be, Tyler Clippard has more wins with the Nats (7) than Doc has with the Phills (6).

  48. Ron May 27th, 2010 at 10:34 am

    Yanks minor league teams doing well. Seems to be some good young talent down there. Way to go Organization !

  49. GreenBeret7 May 27th, 2010 at 10:34 am

    blake May 27th, 2010 at 10:31 am
    GB,
    Wow that post about Pettite and cy young is impressive. Talk about consistency.

    ———————————————————————————————————————-

    Yeah, it is. Young, like Pettitte had on .500 season in those first 15 seasons. Anytime you can do something as a pitcher that only Cy Young did, that’s impressive.

  50. GreenBeret7 May 27th, 2010 at 10:36 am

    Pettitte had ***one*** .500 season

  51. Damon enjoy 27....think 28 May 27th, 2010 at 10:37 am

    Pitching all around has been stellar these last 2 days. Andy was under 100 pitches, 94 to be exact going 8 innings , Aj had a shut out, Mariano closes 2 games in a day.

  52. RayVT May 27th, 2010 at 10:38 am

    The Yankees minor leagues, as weak as some skeptics say they are/were, have provided relief for the NYY. DRob, Hughes, Gardner, Russo, Cervelli, Miranda, Pena, Romulo Sanchez, & Nova have given the Yankees some quality time.

    Pending stars like Laird, Montero, Romine, Colin Curtis, McAllister, DJ Mitchell, Heathcoat, DeLeon, Banuelos, Heredia, Murphy, and others brighten our outlook for years to come.

  53. Patrick May 27th, 2010 at 10:41 am

    randy,

    You’re right, he could have helped himself (and the team) had he learned to throw up and in earlier in his career. But I just think his numbers are so good that he has to make it in. And if you put the numbers in context of the era he was pitching in, his career is even more impressive.

  54. Duff Mulligan May 27th, 2010 at 10:43 am

    Good info. Thanks, GB7.

  55. ac1 May 27th, 2010 at 10:50 am

    bad news for #’stros. #yankees unlikely to become heavily involved in oswalt. “we like our starters,” one official said
    ___

    Starters is one place we do not need to improve.

  56. champ809 May 27th, 2010 at 10:52 am

    GB

    Wilkin Ramirez is a CF not a catcher….

    Chip

    The White Sox ain’t trading Thornton…they will move Jenks and Putz and make Thornton their closer as he’s their top RP and makes no $….

    Again it’s important when you are imagining these trade scenarios that it at least makes some kind of sense for the other team as well as this is the real world and not some office fantasy league.

  57. Joe from Long Island May 27th, 2010 at 10:52 am

    I think that, given the differences between eras, both Andy and Mussina are legitimate HOF candidates. Baseball has always been a dynamic, ever evolving game/sport, and I think the differences between 4-5 man rotations, games started, steroids, even differences in training and nutrition and air travel/more intense scheduling, should factor into the voting.

  58. I Collect Brett Gardner Cards May 27th, 2010 at 10:52 am

    johnc: I’ll take those tickets!
    lol

    yes he wil do ALL the hits and then some.
    don’t worry.

  59. GreenBeret7 May 27th, 2010 at 10:53 am

    My pleasure, Duff.

  60. champ809 May 27th, 2010 at 10:54 am

    Here’s the most important thing to keep in mind about Andy when talking his HOF chances…

    Since his major league debut he has won more games than any starting pitcher in baseball.

    That’s what h

  61. Steve May 27th, 2010 at 10:57 am

    Derek Jeter is the Captain through his leadership, respect, and ability to defuse a potential situation with the media. He serves his purpose well.
    Jorge Posada is by definition, the Assistant Captain with a no nonsense approach and with no fear of speaking to a teammate in such a way that his message gets across.
    I their own ways, Pettitte and Rivera are held in high regard for their approach toward preparation of each day’s work.

  62. pat May 27th, 2010 at 10:59 am

    An 8:10 ET start on a get away day with a game tomorrow stinks. :sad:

  63. Things that make you say uhm May 27th, 2010 at 11:02 am

    I wonder how CC feels with Javier being close to the same amount of wins that he has?

    The (cough) Ace has flopped a few times on the mound, his next outing will be his 4th attempt at win number 5

  64. NYYROC May 27th, 2010 at 11:03 am

    Diane Munson once told Jorge that she started watching baseball again (didn’t watch after Thurman died) after she saw Jorge catch. Told him he reminded her of Thurman with his toughness and attitude. Jorge is always the first guy at the top step when some nonsense starts. I still remember the look he gave Figgins (?) when Figgins got in Jorge’s way attempting to catch a foul pop that he caught without his glove (it had come off in the collision). He has always been one of my favorite Yankees. The team does miss him in many ways.

  65. How about that!! May 27th, 2010 at 11:03 am

    Hi GB,

    I agree & disagree with that comment – true there is nothing ortiz can teach him on the field but if tex ever needed shall we say a quick “pick me up” then big po-opi would be able to show him how to do it without getting caught

    and on the same note – i’d put the tv in front of tex not to teach him anything but to show him that if a washed up ped infested slob can go the other way with the pitch then an all around better hitter and athlete shouldn’t have a problem with doing it once in awhile as well..

  66. NYYROC May 27th, 2010 at 11:04 am

    Pat, I was thinking the same thing. Whatever happened to afternoon games on getaway day? Most likely, since it is the NYY, the Twins figure they can sell more tix for a night game.

  67. Wave Your Hat May 27th, 2010 at 11:06 am

    Andy’s HOF chances are also affected with the pitchers in line for the HOF who Andy is also behind:

    Roger Clemens
    Randy Johnson
    Greg Maddux
    Pedro Martinex
    Tom Glavine
    John Smoltz
    Curt Schilling

    And don’t forget Mo and Trevor Hoffman

    And he and Mussina are close, although I think Andy will pull ahead due to longevity.

    And there are pitchers behind him who will begin to crowd out his chances if Andy takes to long to get elected, like Sabathia, Halliday and Santana.

    If Andy pitches a few more years at a high level, he’ll be in the mix with Smoltz, Glavine and Schilling, but he needs a few more excellent years.

  68. Cameron May 27th, 2010 at 11:08 am

    Things that make you go uhm :-(

    CC will get it together just watch.

  69. How about that!! May 27th, 2010 at 11:09 am

    NYYROC May 27th, 2010 at 11:04 am
    Pat, I was thinking the same thing. Whatever happened to afternoon games on getaway day? Most likely, since it is the NYY, the Twins figure they can sell more tix for a night game.

    ********************************

    Or they’d rather the yankees get home at 4am sothey’ll be tired to play the next day and hopefully lose against a far worse team – benefitting both the rays and redsox

  70. Wave Your Hat May 27th, 2010 at 11:09 am

    “Most likely, since it is the NYY, the Twins figure they can sell more tix for a night game.”

    The Twins sold out all three games with the Yanks, they are averaging 38,000+ out of a capacity of 39,500, I don’t think that ticket sales were the reason.

  71. upstate kate May 27th, 2010 at 11:12 am

    and no doubt it will be a pathetically long game…

  72. it's true May 27th, 2010 at 11:14 am

    Andy is 99 games over .500 in his career (235 wins, 136 losses).

    That doesn’t even factor in his post-season record (18-9).

    Those certainly look like HoF #s to me.

    (By comparison, Shilling finished his career 60 games over .500.)

  73. it's true May 27th, 2010 at 11:14 am

    *Schilling

  74. Patrick May 27th, 2010 at 11:15 am

    Not so sure I’d put Schilling ahead of Andy or Moose..

  75. NYYROC May 27th, 2010 at 11:16 am

    Upstate Kate, Are you channeling Joe West!? LOL! :)

  76. pat May 27th, 2010 at 11:16 am

    “I don’t think that ticket sales were the reason.”

    It’s always about money. For an afternoon game in May, they may not have been able to sell 38,000 tickets because people are working and kids are still in school.

  77. Steve May 27th, 2010 at 11:17 am

    Wave Your Hat -

    If Schilling is deserving of the HOF in part because of his postseason history, he doesn’t measure up with Andy in any way both in regular season wins and postseason wins.
    Schilling is marginal at best.

  78. ac1 May 27th, 2010 at 11:19 am

    the last of consideration for the yankees travels is also evident in having 3 west coast trips (2 in 1 month), where Boston only has 2.

  79. Billy D May 27th, 2010 at 11:20 am

    “Those certainly look like HoF #s to me.”

    Wins, Losses, winning percentage are team number more than individual numbers. If Pettitte had been allowing 12 baserunners per nine innings and an ERA around 4 for the Mariners over the years, he probably has fewer wins, more lossess and a lesser winning percentage.

    Not saying this to diminish Pettitte’s career. It’s been a very good one. The fact that he’s come up big in many postseason games only serves to bolster his resume, but the wins/losses need to be taken in some context.

  80. upstate kate May 27th, 2010 at 11:20 am

    yes NYYROC. West, what a joke he is, tossing Buehrle and Ozzie yesterday. I think Ozzie summed it up perfectly when he said fans don’t go to a game to watch the umpires

  81. GreenBeret7 May 27th, 2010 at 11:20 am

    In two more seasons, both Pettitte and Mussina will have 18 years in the Majors. Longevity won’t be a factor. About the only thing Mussina will have on Pettitte is strikeouts and an ERA of about 20 points. Wins, starts, innings will be about even, though, Mussina will have quite a few less walks, complete games and shutouts. Pettite will have allowed fewer homers and has hit more. Basically, in 2 years, they’ll be the same pitcher, except in post season wins. Mussina has the better ERA in PS, though.

  82. NYYROC May 27th, 2010 at 11:22 am

    The best umpires/ refs are the ones you don’t notice. Maybe West wants the pub to help sell his country CDs (“Country Joe West” as he’s known)LOL!

  83. Billy D May 27th, 2010 at 11:23 am

    “If Schilling is deserving of the HOF in part because of his postseason history, he doesn’t measure up with Andy in any way both in regular season wins and postseason wins”

    Schilling postseason numbers are much better than Pettitte’s as are all his other numbers with the excpetions of wins and losses, which again is more a function of the team than the pitcher.

    Schilling is no lock in my mind, but he was a better pitcher than Pettitte.

  84. Wave Your Hat May 27th, 2010 at 11:25 am

    Patrick-

    I think Schilling has Andy right now on All-Star appearances (6 vs 2), ERA (3.46 vs 3.88 and Andy will probably finish his career with an ERA higher than 3.88), and award voting.

    Andy will win significantly more games and have a higher winning percentage, although the voters are going to remember Andy pitched for better teams than Schilling did.

    There was a period in Schilling’s career when he was considered one of the top five pitchers in baseball – I’m not sure the same is true of Andy.

    Andy has his post-season fame (18-9, 3.90 ERA post-season) going for him but Schilling was great in the post-season too (11-2, 2.23 ERA) and while Andy pitched famous games in the post-season you have to admit Schilling did too.

  85. GreenBeret7 May 27th, 2010 at 11:27 am

    No way does Schilling get in without somebody explaining why pitchers like Morris, Tiant, John, Blyleven, Dennis Martinez and Kaat aren’t in.

  86. Wave Your Hat May 27th, 2010 at 11:29 am

    GB7-

    You are correct on the Mussina-Pettitte longevity point.

    You would be as you are probably an expert on longevity yourself. :)

  87. Billy D May 27th, 2010 at 11:30 am

    Dennis Martinez? Seriously?

  88. it's true May 27th, 2010 at 11:30 am

    As bad as the umpiring seems to have been so far this year, I have to say Brian Onora called a really good game last night.

    No floating strike zone, no b.s. strikes called on pitches 6″ outside (that I saw, anyway).

    I’m usually one of the first to rip the umps, but I have no qualms giving them credit when they call a good game.

  89. Patrick May 27th, 2010 at 11:32 am

    Wave, Before I read your post I went back and looked at Andy vs Schilling. It’s pretty clear that Schilling was the better pitcher and has the better HoF resume.

    There are two arguments here. We could argue how deserving these guys are of the HoF (Schilling is more deserving) but a completely different argument is which of them are more likely to actually make it in. Because of the wins Andy is probably more likely.

    I guess if I was ranking which guys deserve HoF the most I’d make it this:

    1) Schilling
    1a) Mussina
    2) Pettitte

    Schilling has an ever so slight edge on Moose but he is definitely better than Andy Pettitte (as much as it pains me to say…)

  90. GreenBeret7 May 27th, 2010 at 11:32 am

    Wave Your Hat May 27th, 2010 at 11:29 am
    GB7-

    You are correct on the Mussina-Pettitte longevity point.

    You would be as you are probably an expert on longevity yourself.

    ———————————————————————————————————————-

    just because I gave ol’ Cy some pointers on throwing his Staten Island sinker doesn’t make me THAT old.

  91. randy l. May 27th, 2010 at 11:32 am

    patrick-

    it also shows how good mussina was that he won all those games with a self imposed limitation.

    he had to have amazing talent to have the luxury of not pitching up and in.

    actually hall of fame talent.

  92. Wave Your Hat May 27th, 2010 at 11:34 am

    Patrick, Schilling has the bloody sock…

  93. GreenBeret7 May 27th, 2010 at 11:37 am

    Billy D May 27th, 2010 at 11:30 am
    Dennis Martinez? Seriously?

    ———————————————————————————————————————-

    If you’re crediting Schilling for putting up numbers with some bad teams, then Martinez should get the same credit. A lot of bad Baltimore and Montreal teams.

  94. MTU (aka GBURL) May 27th, 2010 at 11:38 am

    WYH-

    ” Schilling has the bloody sock…”

    You mean Schilling is still trying to get mileage showing off one his old tampax’s ?

    Man that dude is really desparate.

    He sometimes pretends he is an announcer or commentator as well. ;)

  95. How about that!! May 27th, 2010 at 11:42 am

    ac1 May 27th, 2010 at 11:19 am
    the last of consideration for the yankees travels is also evident in having 3 west coast trips (2 in 1 month), where Boston only has 2.
    ************************************

    also don’t bet against MLB giving the yankees one of the hardest early season schedules (alot of good teams and alot of away games) and the rays and sox easier ones since they know the yankees are historically not so good at the beginning of the year and get better as the temps warm up- therefore hopefully putting them in a huge hole where they may not get out of -

    unfortunately for Selig and the MLB conspirators the yankees actually have had a great start of the year..

    S**T, i’m starting to sound like CR9

  96. ac1 May 27th, 2010 at 11:42 am

    the best ejection ive seen in months was in tampa with crawford and maddon. That ump thought he was the center of the universe. he should be fired for many reasons, now the least of which was what i can describe as the worst strike zone i have ever seen in a non yankee game. of course it benefitted boston. i am happy the sox swept tampa. it helped us and put a halt to tampa’s run, but that was just unacceptable.

    we dont even needs umps anymore at home plate other that to call plays at the plate. use the CF K Zone.

  97. it's true May 27th, 2010 at 11:42 am

    Schilling looks solid in the ‘Black Ink’, ‘Gray Ink’ & ‘Hall of Fame Monitor’ #s on baseball-reference:

    http://www.baseball-reference......cu01.shtml

  98. blake May 27th, 2010 at 11:43 am

    Andys consistency if translated to a position player would land him in the HOF…he would be a Paul Molitor type, accumulate 3,000 hits and would go to Cooperstown.

    Schilling’s best was better than Pettite’s but 5 titles (maybe more) and a career of remarkable consistency and showing up in big games should count IMO. The baseball HOF is too much the hall of 300 wins and 3,000 hits and not enough of the Hall of the best players.

  99. MTU (aka GBURL) May 27th, 2010 at 11:44 am

    Someone should stuff that “bloody sock” in Shilling’s mouth.

    At least that would shut him up.

  100. Billy D May 27th, 2010 at 11:44 am

    “If you’re crediting Schilling for putting up numbers with some bad teams, then Martinez should get the same credit. A lot of bad Baltimore and Montreal teams”

    I love Dennis Martinez. Always a favorite of mine, but he never pitched for a bad Orioles team. In fact, he pitched for 1 team with a losing record in 23 seasons of baseball.

  101. Mr Sarcasm May 27th, 2010 at 11:46 am

    Schilling will have Gammons lobby for him just as he did with Jim Rice. It makes no difference if Gammons has gin on his breath or not, he’ll just work some magic with his yellowtoothed smile.

  102. MTU (aka GBURL) May 27th, 2010 at 11:48 am

    I hear Schilling is thinking of running for Potlical office.

    He would make a perfect Politician. Sanctimonius, pot-bellied, and arrogant.

  103. ac1 May 27th, 2010 at 11:49 am

    Someone should stuff that “bloody sock” in Shilling’s mouth.

    At least that would shut him up.

    ___

    Rub the ‘blood’ on a cheeseburger.

    That game was when i started to turn on Torre. How does a team not bunt on a pitcher with a supposedly broken ankle? no excuse.

  104. MTU (aka GBURL) May 27th, 2010 at 11:50 am

    That was “Poliltical” not “Potlical”.

    By the way, some “weed” might do him good. Might loosen him up.

  105. blake May 27th, 2010 at 11:53 am

    I actually think Schillng and Pettite both should be in the HOF…in this era who who would rather have on the mound in a big game than those two? smoltz maybe..can’t think of many more.

    If you ask that question and the guy is in the conversation then that’s a HOFer IMO.

  106. Jerkface May 27th, 2010 at 11:53 am

    The Trop is in a great location, tons of parking, right off I-275, easy access from Tampa. The problem is simply the market. I’ve been to games with 8000 and games with 30000 (yankees)

    The trop is certainly NOT in a great location. You have to get through malfunction junction during rush hour to get to a game, the bridge is terrible, you still have to drive through 30 minutes of traffic after crossing the bridge, parking is a hassle, its a bad area, theres nothing around the stadium.

    They should have the stadium on the outside of TAMPA close to Orlando.

  107. Jerkface May 27th, 2010 at 11:53 am

    When did CC tell Cervelli to get back behind the plate? What inning?

  108. ac1 May 27th, 2010 at 11:59 am

    wait. CC is having issues with Cervelli? Or was he just upset? I can see Cervelli’s peppiness grating on a pitcher who is not in a good mood. I personally like the fire.

  109. ac1 May 27th, 2010 at 12:00 pm

    AndrewMarchand The chat is on. Plesae join me at ESPNNewYork right now. First question: Will the Yankees trade for Cliff Lee, using Montero

    __

    Dumb question right off the bat. The yankees dont need starting pitching. Esepecially if Javy gets it back.

    They will sign Lee in the offseason and NOT give up Montero.

  110. CR9 May 27th, 2010 at 12:03 pm

    Happy Anniversary to all the New York Rangers fan on here!!!!

    Matteau, Matteau, Matteau!!!!!

  111. it's true May 27th, 2010 at 12:03 pm

    In this era I’d take Pedro (when he had the heat) over Andy or Schilling in a big game.

    He was a force of nature.

    I still laugh thinking about the Dodgers trading him to the Expos for Delino DeShields. No matter how the Dodgers tried to spin it, they looked like buffoons on that one.

  112. Patrick May 27th, 2010 at 12:04 pm

    ac1,

    Haha true.

    Would you rather have Cliff Lee for 5.5 years and Montero for 0 years or Cliff Lee for 5 years and Montero for 6 years?

  113. Chip May 27th, 2010 at 12:04 pm

    Jon Heyman is completely lost.

    He was just on WFAN with Joe and Evan and said that while he’s not going to say “I told you so, I’m getting pretty close to it. As I said all winter the Yankees should have brought back Johnny Damon instead of Nick Johnson and never should have done the Curtis Granderson deal. In fact, if you include Winn, Park and Vazquez none of Cashman’s deals have worked out”

    First thing – Heyman backed off the Vazquez comment when it was pointed out that Melky stinks and Javy may be turning things around.

    Second – Winn and Park cost the Yankees chump change

    Third – Never once heard or read Heyman be critical of the Granderson deal and even if he was, that still doesn’t make him right. If everything goes right for Austin Jackson then maybe he’ll be as good as Curtis Granderson. Jackson leads the AL in strikeouts and his BABIP is still obscenely high which means that the .333 BA is likely to come on down.

    The only move I can’t argue right now is Damon vs. Johnson; but at the time Damon wasn’t going to sign for less than a 2 year deal at 8 mil per and the Yankees weren’t going to sit and wait around for him.

  114. Chip May 27th, 2010 at 12:06 pm

    The only people who want the Yankees to trade for Cliff Lee are the ones who want Hughes and Joba to both be in the pen. It’s nuts.

  115. CR9 May 27th, 2010 at 12:07 pm

    I would not be surprised if Andrew Marchand made up that question.

    For the sole purpose of making Yankees fans look like dopes.

    How ridiculous. I dont believe for a minute anyone suggested that to him.

  116. blake May 27th, 2010 at 12:09 pm

    The Yankees wanted Damon he chose to leave them…not sure why folks don’t get that. They offered him a better deal than he signed and he didn’t take it.

  117. RayVT May 27th, 2010 at 12:11 pm

    Let me say this, I am not a fan of Schilling. I didn’t like him in Balt, Houston, Philly or Boston. He is a jerk and a sanctimoniuos one at that.

    Now that said, he gets into the HOF IMO. He was very good. He shined on the big stage as well. He was consistently in the CY Young race too. He gets in, unless they find out he used PEDS. (Which I believe he did, but my thoughts carry zero weight on this issue.)

    I like Andy & Moose but they are a notch below, unless Andy gets the CY Young award.

  118. ac1 May 27th, 2010 at 12:11 pm

    Does anyone on ESPN mention the Yankees have the 2nd best record in the AL? NO! Just that Boston moved from 4th to 3rd and Tampa is AMAZING, even though they just got it handed to them by the 3rd place team.

    Andrew Merchand Question #2 probably looks like: Should the Yankees give Ortiz a 4 year deal this offseason?

    Idiot!

  119. MTU (aka GBURL) May 27th, 2010 at 12:11 pm

    Blake-

    That dead horse has been beat into a bloody pulp.

    Damon and Borass simply blew it. ;)

  120. How about that!! May 27th, 2010 at 12:12 pm

    question to all the minor league experts out there –

    whats the deal with mark melancon? do you think he has the makeup to pitch in the majors – if not can the yankees get anything of value for him in a trade

    also assuming CC, AJ, Hughes and Cliff Lee are 4/5ths of your starting rotation next year and beyond (and this is assuming Joba will stay in the bullpen) how many starters in the minors are close to major league ready? And since you can’t have them all starting for the yankees who would be a good possibility to trade for oh lets say a Paul Konerko or some good outfielder (or whomever else to fill the DH spot and/or play somewhere in the outfield) come July?

  121. CR9 May 27th, 2010 at 12:14 pm

    Clearly, Marchand is making up these questions!!!!!

    Without any doubt!!!!

  122. blake May 27th, 2010 at 12:15 pm

    MTU,
    I agree but reporters (who should know better) keep bringing it up.

    how’s life today?…Javy gonna get uhm tonight :)

  123. CR9 May 27th, 2010 at 12:16 pm

    RayVT May 27th, 2010 at 12:11 pm

    I’ve had this discussion on here many times. If Schilling were to get into the HOF, so should Cone have gotten in.

    Cone has comparable numbers all the way around, having pitched in the AL most of his career. Schilling pitched most of his career in the NL.

  124. RayVT May 27th, 2010 at 12:16 pm

    CR9 May 27th, 2010 at 12:07 pm
    I would not be surprised if Andrew Marchand made up that question.

    For the sole purpose of making Yankees fans look like dopes.

    LOL! Unfortunately, like all teams the Yankees have their dopey fans. Just go to Lohud on Game times.

  125. Wave Your Hat May 27th, 2010 at 12:17 pm

    If Andy were to continue pitching the way he is, win 20 games with a sub-3.00 ERA and either win the Cy Young or be seriously in the mix, then he’s got 250 wins, he’s brought down his career ERA some, he’s got new award recognition and he’s very close – if he wins the Cy Young he’d be in I think, if he gets everything but the Cy Young then he’s very close.

  126. RayVT May 27th, 2010 at 12:19 pm

    CR9 May 27th, 2010 at 12:16 pm

    Cone should be in HOF! I believe he will get in.

  127. pistol pete May 27th, 2010 at 12:24 pm

    I hate Schilling, his mouth, his politics, I hate Boston, that said he should be in the HOF. He carried a city, a franchise, and 86 years of ghosts on his back in ’04. He competed at his highest level when the stakes were the highest, he should get in. Morris is similiar, he should get in too. Andy is still borderline, but close as is Mussina. They pitched their careers in the toughest division and league during the steroid era. Pettitte’s weakness is that he’s never won a cy young, never been a team no 1 and the hgh issur, Mussina’s is his lack of toughness in big spots but the more his body of work is analyzed he really was something. 270 wins in the al east, a 20 game winner in this era is amazing and probably won’t be matched for years. Both are close but at the top of their games neither were as dominite as Mr mouth Schilling. I don’t like Schilling but he should get in.

  128. Shame Spencer May 27th, 2010 at 12:25 pm

    Good afternoon all,

    Just my 2 cents, I always thought of Mussina as the “almost” pitcher. Almost had a World Series ring, almost threw a no hitter, i used to be able to say he ‘almost won 20 games’ but luckily we got that much for him. He’s an ‘almost’ hall of famer. I really wish he woulda stayed with us 1 more year.

  129. ac1 May 27th, 2010 at 12:27 pm

    is javy’s finger 100%?

    i’d hate to see him regress.

  130. Just Sayin' May 27th, 2010 at 12:29 pm

    Schilling is a 1st ballot lock for the Summer’s Eve Hall of Fame.

  131. Brandon's Awesome (B/c my AWESOMENESS believes in letting Thames bat vs scrubs like Fernando NIEVES!) May 27th, 2010 at 12:30 pm

    I’m wondering when Randy Winn is going to get DFA’d. Is there anybody that doesn’t think Kevin Russo took his job and ended the debate whether he belongs on the 25 man roster? Pls DFA him. I mean that nicely. And Nick Johnson when he gets healthy trade him so Miranda can step into his role.

    P.S. it’d be nice if the Yankees got Nunez prepped to play in the UTY role in SWB.

  132. I Like Inge May 27th, 2010 at 12:33 pm

    Winn should get DFA’d tomorrow when Granderson gets activated. If Winn can’t get starts over Russo, who has outplayed him, he has no role on this team.

  133. Billy D May 27th, 2010 at 12:34 pm

    “Mussina’s is his lack of toughness in big spots but the more his body of work is analyzed he really was something”

    Seems a tad harsh. Relief appearance in Game 7 of the 2003 ALCS and Game 3 of the 2001 ALDS come to mind as him coming up big in very difficult spots. Not to mention his brilliant 1997 postseason. Things got a little uglier as he got older, but he has a better postseason ERA than Pettitte has.

  134. YankeeRay May 27th, 2010 at 12:34 pm

    SJ44 May 27th, 2010 at 9:33 am
    Tex had better swings last night than he has had in 3 weeks.

    I don?t think you can move him. Especially without Posada and Granderson in the lineup.

    You just have to ride it out a little while longer.

    ——

    SJ, while I respect your opinion I would challenge it on this. I have been coaching a long time and changing the order can many times be effective. After 200 at bats Tex is still pressing. I am a believer that your best hitter hits 3rd. Tex is not our best hitter.
    I only hope Joe is not avoiding the change due to ego as I think many other managers would have made a change by now. The Sox moved Ortiz and actually looked like they would release him and now he is on fire.
    You earn your way into spots in the line up like Swisher will do.
    The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results.

    Try moving Tex to 5th and see what happens.

  135. MTU (aka GBURL) May 27th, 2010 at 12:34 pm

    Blake-

    Things are sweeter than strawberry wine out here.

    Leaving fri. for a 160 mile run of the Green and Colorado Rivers on my friend’s boat.

    All javy has to do is give us 6 strong and I will be happy.

    How’s the drillin’ and fillin’ buisness going ? :)

  136. blake May 27th, 2010 at 12:38 pm

    When Granderson gets back the Winn/Russo role will go back to being a bench player…I’m not sure the Yanks want Russo riding the pine in NY when he could be playing everyday and increasing his skills and/or trade value in Scranton. I mean at this point I’d rather have him on the team than Winn also but that’s something they will probably consider.

  137. blake May 27th, 2010 at 12:42 pm

    MTU,
    Eh, its good. Doesn’t sound as fun as what you’re up to out there.

    Yea 6 strong would be nice from javy tonight..I feel good about him tonight.

  138. GreenBeret7 May 27th, 2010 at 12:43 pm

    Brandon’s Awesome (B/c my AWESOMENESS believes in letting Thames bat vs scrubs like Fernando NIEVES!) May 27th, 2010 at 12:30 pm
    I’m wondering when Randy Winn is going to get DFA’d. Is there anybody that doesn’t think Kevin Russo took his job and ended the debate whether he belongs on the 25 man roster? Pls DFA him. I mean that nicely. And Nick Johnson when he gets healthy trade him so Miranda can step into his role.

    P.S. it’d be nice if the Yankees got Nunez prepped to play in the UTY role in SWB.

    ———————————————————————————————————————-

    Why would you waste any developement time to improve Russo’s hitting and fielding skills by having him ride the bench and play once a week. He has 18 ML at bats. They have Pena playing once a week now, and he’s no more the same hitter that he was last year. Russo is not a budding superstar, but, riding the bench isn’t going to help him very much.

  139. Crawdaddy May 27th, 2010 at 12:45 pm

    I would play Russo everyday in the outfield in SWB because otherwise, he might get into one game a week with the Yankees and he needs more experience in the outfield.

  140. Brandon's Awesome (B/c my AWESOMENESS believes in letting Thames bat vs scrubs like Fernando NIEVES!) May 27th, 2010 at 12:46 pm

    “When Granderson gets back the Winn/Russo role will go back to being a bench player…”

    You keep Russo, you DFA Winn, it’s not that hard. I can’t even say he fields better than Russo as an arguement. And when Colin Curtis comes off the DL if Russo is slumping, Colin gets the shot.

  141. SAS May 27th, 2010 at 12:47 pm

    Good afternoon All,

    What a pleasure to read this morning’s blog. Lots of little tidbits and no arguing. It is amazing.

    I would love to see both Mussina and Pettitte in the Hall, but it is harder to get in if you play for the Yankees. I do think if Pettitte is willing to pitch a couple of more years basically as he is pitching now he has a chance. With 5 world series rings and all those years in the post season, it has to count for a lot. He has been an integral part of the Yankee Dynasty and later playoff games. I don’t think even the HOF voters can sweep those things under the rug. He also pitched well for the Astros.

    Mussina, it seems to me, falls a little short because his best years were the the Orioles. The Orioles were awful. When he came to the Yankees, he certainly was an important cog in getting all those teams to the playoffs. I just don’t know if that will be enough. I would like to see him get in.

  142. Steve May 27th, 2010 at 10:25 pm

    “Mussina’s is his lack of toughness in big spots but the more his body of work is analyzed he really was something”

    Seems a tad harsh. Relief appearance in Game 7 of the 2003 ALCS and Game 3 of the 2001 ALDS come to mind as him coming up big in very difficult spots. Not to mention his brilliant 1997 postseason. Things got a little uglier as he got older, but he has a better postseason ERA than Pettitte has.

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