Winn designated
Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Misc on May 28, 2010 
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Randy Winn has been designated for assignment to make room for Curtis Granderson.
“It’s the worst part of my job,” Joe Girardi said.
The Yankees chose to keep Kevin Russo for his versatility.
Also, Alex Rodriguez and Francisco Cervelli just have standard days off.
It was the best move. Still good luck to Randy wherever he goes.
Did you guys see Randy Wells got beat up today?
16 pitches, 5 ER and ZERO outs. OUCH!
Very tough day for guys named Randy!
I cant believe I forgot this…
Isnt Pena a switch hitter?
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Bye Randy
Girardi re: Russo over Winn- “We went with the versatility”
I said in March that Winn would be the first player DFA’d, so that makes me like 1 for 100000000000000000000.
Erica
LOL!
But who is Randy Wells (team?)?
Good riddance. Can’t hit, can’t field, it was time to make this move.
He might be able to latch onto some NL team if he so chooses, considering the NL’s mediocreness. The AL East ate him up and spit him out.
Randy Wells is a member of the Chicago Cubs
Its funny, I prayed this day would come since they signed Winn, and yet here we are, and I feel a pang of remorse. Would Randy Winn have won us some important game down the road? Would he be there, like a lion in the batter’s box, facing down a Boston pitcher with the reason on the line, and deliver the knock to end all knocks? Will the yankees miss his sullen expression during momentous home runs?
Will the pitcher’s remember the butterflies they got in their stomach when they saw Winn out there in left field, wondering what amazing catch attempt he would try that game?
Will Joe Girardi miss being able to reliably pencil in Winn on the bench, a luxury not afforded by managers without Randy Winn on their 25 man?
I would be more confident in Joe Girardi getting a hit in a big situation than Randy Winn.
despite his 3 run hr, he did nothing. yanks got better today.
Awful, awful move.
If our CF’ers go down, who plays ther? Swisher?
When we need a pinch hit, wouldn’t we want a professional hitter who switch hits rather than a minor league player like Russo or Pena?
And what about his clubhouse presence?
All for a minor league utility man, no less. Disgusted.
PeterBotte Winn on DFA: “I’m not surprised. I didn’t play well. Now I’m going to go home and play with the kids. ”
Good luck, Randy.
Winn did not make the decision hard for the Yankees.
His lack of defense may have been his downfall. Winn was supposed to have a better than average glove.
Thrilled Granderson has returned.
ARod can use a day off. Nothing wrong with that. Playing 4 straight games this weekend, he is bound to get a day off.
I can see Cano getting a full day off tomorrow vs the indians lefty.
Why isn’t Russo playing third instead of Pena?
Torre saved his house money lineups for getaway days.
Bottom of the first… Jeter singles to right, stolen base on the second pitch to Granderson, who triples to left center.
Poor Randy.
Pena could have been sent down, as all he did was play backup IF. Russo can do that, and play an average/slightly below average SS.
When Russo hits his first HR, Sterling’s call will be, “AAWWWWW, NOTHING CAN GET BY HIM, TURN IT ON AND TRY HIM!”
vblade we lost 2 games to an NL team starting angel pagan and jeff francoeur… that “mediocreness” doesn’t seem to matter much, does it.
pat
Thanks for that. What a classy guy Randy is. I wish all the best to him in his future endeavors.
Awful, awful move.
If our CF?ers go down, who plays ther? Swisher?
When we need a pinch hit, wouldn?t we want a professional hitter who switch hits rather than a minor league player like Russo or Pena?
And what about his clubhouse presence?
All for a minor league utility man, no less. Disgusted
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If Granderson AND Gardner are both hurt the club has bigger problems than not having Randy Winn on the roster. Also Randy can’t play CF reliably anymore. (They’d bring up Golson)
Randy Winn might be a professional, but its hard to call him a hitter. Fastballs over 90 mph can punch through his swing because he is old, slow, and there is a hitch. We have plenty of guys on the bench that can pinch hit now over Pena anyways. If you want to argue Winn vs Pena fine, but they hit about the same and they both suck. Winn vs Thames/Miranda/Russo/Cervelli/Bench guy from AAA is a better argument.
Randy Winn showed no club house presence, was barely on the team and in the lockerroom, showed no excitement in any of our victories. Not going to be missed. I’m sure he was a nice guy, but he wasn’t Damon or Swish in the clubhouse.
A minor league utility man who can play every infield position and half the outfield. Randy Winn could play LF and RF. Good job.
Rich in NJ–Congratulations on your correct prediction. You have now moved ahead of me in the standings. I will get one right. You all just wait.
Russo did more in less time than Winn did. I’m shocked they made this move as I’m sure cutting Winn was something neither Girardi or Cashman wanted to do since he’s considered a respected veteran by some.
Still, this is the right move. Russo is yet another home grown guy to come up and contribute. It’s a testament to the farm system that these guys keep plugging leaks.
Not to mention if your bench includes guy who only know being in the Yankee system their entire pro careers, I’m sure there’s a little fire and pride associated with that.
This sends a message to all the players in the system that they can win jobs by playing hard and rising to the occasion.
Irreverent Discourse May 28th, 2010 at 4:12 pm
vblade we lost 2 games to an NL team starting angel pagan and jeff francoeur… that “mediocreness” doesn’t seem to matter much, does it.
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And the eventual WS champions lost 2 games last year to the Washington Nationals. Hardly the best example, no?
Wave,
Pena is 1-3 vs. Carmona and can hit from the left side
Russo is also a righty.
“When Russo hits his first HR, Sterling’s call will be, “AAWWWWW, NOTHING CAN GET BY HIM, TURN IT ON AND TRY HIM!”
Umm, what??
Question about baseball contracts-
If Winn gets DFA’ed do the Yankees still owe him his millionish?
“PeterBotte Winn on DFA: ‘I’m not surprised. I didn’t play well. Now I’m going to go home and play with the kids.’ ”
Money for nothing and your chicks for free.
Winn was a statue – showed no emotion, didn’t seem excited at anything. Seemed like he would fit in with the corporate Yanks of 2002-2008. Old, washed up, showed no emotion.
If Winn gets DFA?ed do the Yankees still owe him his millionish?
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Yup.
“Russo is also a righty.”
Russo has a reverse platoon split. IOW, he is better against RHP than LHP.
“Pena is 1-3 vs. Carmona and can hit from the left side”
I would argue that the first part of that statement is meaningless and the second part of that statement is debatable.
I’m legitimately surprised by this for a couple of reasons:
1. As you all know I thought Randy Winn was a steal when he signed here. Thought he was going to wind up being the everyday LF.
2. I thought as a pinch runner/defensive replacement they would have kept Winn and let Russo play more regularly in AAA.
Onto other business:
With Johnson probably not coming back anytime soon it’s time to whip out Potential Trade
I agree with Francesa who says that the Yankees will look for a bat that’s capable of playing in the outfield and batting second (though the guy will likely spend a great deal of time at DH)
So here’s my deal:
Royals get: Eduardo Nunez and a low minors pitching prospect
Yankees get: David DeJesus and Robinson Tejada
I know, you want me to shut up about DeJesus, but with Johnson out this just makes a ton of sense.
DeJesus is a gap to gap left handed hitter who can get on base at a very good clip (.360 this season is in line with his .358 career average); and Tejada would be a live arm for the pen and certainly has better upside than Chan Ho Park or Chad Gaudin.
As for what’s going back – Nunez could wind up being a very very good player, there’s no doubt about that – but where’s he going to play here? Jeter’s probably going to sign up for another 3 or 4 years. Nunez does have his flaws, especially in the field, but he would probably start tomorrow for the Royals.
IT’S FIESTA TIME!!!!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m5xgucwxkNc
“Only” 1.1m of Winn’s contract was guaranteed.
Rich,
Oh, I know. I am just explaining TLR’s reasoning for this move, not that it is correct.
I for one thought Randy Winn would be more productive but it’s the right move. There’s enough flexability to get Kevin Russo playing time if Girardi gets creative.
There’s nothing etched in stone that Thames is the righthanded DH or if he’s needed in a corner OF position.
and cashman’s swings and misses continue – now let him go get Paul Konerko and one of the white sox stud relievers for a handful of those average minor league arms that are stinking up scranton wilkes barre and trenton – next on the DFA list
Chan NO Park
Nick Johnson (if he ever comes off the DL which he probably won’t)
Vazquez
I’m disappointed that Cerveli told CC to “sit the %$#%$#% down” when he was trying to talk to him during the game to calm him down.
I hope he apologized.
Weird: I have had “The Chicken Dance” song in my head since I woke up this morning.
I have no idea why. Maybe I was dreaming I was a wedding?
IT’S JUST AN AWESOME DAY!
Moeller you’re next
When you are 36 years old…. they are no down years, no aberrations, nothing.
Cash should have known that. Gomes and Nady were both available. Nady signed like 2 days before we signed Winn. Yeah, we had to pay him more money, but I can understand that – he wasn’t going to get as much PT here as he would in Chi-Town, so he wanted more money. But that money would have been much better well-spent than Winn.
And Gomes had to take a ST invite in March. He is much better than Winn.
I also believed Winn was going to help the Yankees win games in many ways.
Speed, Defense, His Bat, Switch Hitter, etc….
Things did not work out. His age showed. Fastballs around 90 mph were blowing past him with ease. He may as well gone to the plate without a bat and hoped for a walk.
The move was a good move. Could not have been easy, but the team is much better without Winn.
Okay- so the Yankees invested 900K in Thames and 1.1m on Winn and have gotten almost zero return on investment with Winn DFA’ed by June and Thames heading there. Then there is the 5.5 million for Johnson sitting on the 60-day DL
So much for fiscal responsibility
I?m disappointed that Cerveli told CC to ?sit the %$#%$#% down? when he was trying to talk to him during the game to calm him down.
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Well you have your facts a little mixed up. CC had just given up his 6th run and a runner was on 2nd. He missed location badly on 2 pitches and Cervelli stepped into the empty batters box, removed his mask, and yelled some encouragement to CC. CC, having gotten his ass kicked, did not need encouragement, and muttered ‘get back behind the f’n plate’. he didn’t demonstrably yell at Cervelli, or look like he was speaking louder than what someone would say under their breath.
# Jeret May 28th, 2010 at 4:21 pm
I’m disappointed that Cerveli told CC to “sit the %$#%$#% down” when he was trying to talk to him during the game to calm him down.
I hope he apologized.
Um what? Who cares?
vblade thats precisely my points. our bench players don’t determine a damn thing.
Winn’s career was done when he couldn’t hit 91 MPH fastballs down the pipe from Papelbon when everyone else on the team pounded it.
Neither Damon or Matsui was coming back. Cashman plugged the holes the best he could, but not all of these fringe decisions pan out. In the end, the team will be fine with Miranda/Thames platoon at DH until Johnson comes back.
so lets do some math here
nick johnson – 5.5 million down the drain
randy winn – 1.1 million down the drain
chan ho park – 1 million down the drain
vazquez – 11.5 million down the drain
thats almost 20 million dollars right there – and you people call him a smart GM?
Okay- so the Yankees invested 900K in Thames and 1.1m on Winn and have gotten almost zero return on investment with Winn DFA?ed by June and Thames heading there. Then there is the 5.5 million for Johnson sitting on the 60-day DL
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2 million is nothing for the yankees, but I’d really have to argue that they were ‘fiscally irresponsible’ in signing any of them. Thames is arguably a net neutral. Winn is probably leaning towards being net negative. Johnson was a positive in his short time among the living
Is that fake Erica at 4:24? I think so! LOL!
“Thames heading there”
Thames heading where? that fool can hit, worse fielder in the planet but give him the bat w/ the game on the line.
Erica,
Want to compare those two year deals to the Pavano/Wright era?
cashman – vazquez is not money down the drain, get over yourself and your hysterical nonsense.
Erica,
And all that money could have been allotted to a real player like Johnny
Wasted money on 3 players who all suck, 1 of which was already released, once who will be released soon, and one who probably won’t play again for us because he will get injured during his rehab while reading the caloric labels of a Doritos bag.
Not one of Cash’s finest hours.
Erica
I know where you’re going and it will result in a setback to your 12 Step program so fight the urge.
In re: to Johnson, I really believe that Johnson will be a valuable addition upon returning from the DL.
I believe that he played with the injury all season to try and help the team (and rather hurt the team because he could not get around on inside pitches)
Once he comes back 100% healthy, I believe NJ will be like a great addition at the trade deadline.
Jeez. People still biatching about Matsui and Damon. For cryin’ out loud.
Maybe some of the ‘regulars’ here left, not because of the ‘imposters’ but because of the ridiculous crying of the posts.
Jerkface May 28th, 2010 at 4:27 pm
2 million is nothing for the yankees, but I’d really have to argue that they were ‘fiscally irresponsible’ in signing any of them. Thames is arguably a net neutral. Winn is probably leaning towards being net negative. Johnson was a positive in his short time among the living
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The point I am trying to make is that part of the argument against a certain other outfielder, was his cost and the Yankees trying to be “budget conscious”. Cashman said time and time again he would not break his budget to meet his “outragous” demands.
So instead we basically collected two back up outfielders just so Cahman could stay in at his precious budget
that fool can hit, worse fielder in the planet but give him the bat w/ the game on the line.
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Lets not be so hasty, my overexcitable nemesis. Thames can hit for power. That is when he connects. He strikes out 30% of the time, his OBP is usually below .350, and his batting average is generally below .260.
He is a hitter in the loosest sense of the word. I’d call him a slugger.
I would give the bat to anyone on the roster other than Pena, Moeller, Russo, and Cervelli with the game on the line over him.
Phil the Thrill May 28th, 2010 at 4:28 pm
Erica,
Want to compare those two year deals to the Pavano/Wright era?
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LOl.. no. I blocked those out
“i believe he played with the injury all season” … blah blah blah…
so he got hit by beckett on that wrist on purpose so he could end the charade? lol… WHAT?!@
damon was replaced by granderson, not 2 backup outfielders… are you on drugs?
pat May 28th, 2010 at 4:29 pm
Erica
I know where you’re going and it will result in a setback to your 12 Step program so fight the urge.
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I am sorry. I slid back a step or two didn’t I? I can’t help it. The situation bothers me
So instead we basically collected two back up outfielders just so Cahman could stay in at his precious budget
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I get your point. But if we sign Damon instead of NJ, Winn, Thames, who is our DH? Who plays the outfield when Granderson gets hurt? Who is on our bench??
Damon would have cost the yankees a helluva lot more than NJ+Thinns
Cash offered 2/14
This lineup has no shot tonight.
Carmona, a hard throwing sinker baller who doesn’t give up HRs? Against slumping hitters who will roll over that pitch in the dirt over and voer like Jete, Cano, Miranda, Tex, Gardner. And 2 players who can’t hit like Pena/Moeller. And can’t expect Grandy to do much in his first game back.
If Swisher doesn’t hit 4 solo HRs today, we won’t win.
Cashman needs to go May 28th, 2010 at 4:27 pm
LOL! Yankees are 28-19 with 2nd best record in all of MLB. Yeah, I see your logic. At least be fair & add CC, AJ, Grandy, AndyP, Tex & Swish.
Then add that he kept Cano, Hughes, Joba, Gardner, and a lot of MiLB players.
Erica
Cashman recently said that Damon wouldn’t have signed with the Yankees for $8m.
If that’s true, how high would you go?
““When Russo hits his first HR, Sterling’s call will be, “AAWWWWW, NOTHING CAN GET BY HIM, TURN IT ON AND TRY HIM!”
Umm, what??
Look up the Mike and the Mad Dog show intro on Youtube. Then it will all make sense.
feels liek a new day huh?
curtis back
winn gone
moeller catching
we either score 10 or get shut out
“He is a hitter in the loosest sense of the word. I’d call him a slugger.”
Thames will pop you one more times than not.
Moeller needs to go.
The “real player” wanted exorbitantly more money from the Yankees than what he took from Detroit. That ship sailed months ago.
Johnson, Winn, Vazquez, Thames are all 1 year deals for the Yanks. Johnny wanted 2. Plus, though I don’t know if it still holds true, the Yanks found the 2010 FA class more interesting than the 2009 FA class. That’s why they were looking for short deals.
Okay- so the Yankees invested 900K in Thames and 1.1m on Winn and have gotten almost zero return on investment with Winn DFA’ed by June and Thames heading there. Then there is the 5.5 million for Johnson sitting on the 60-day DL
So much for fiscal responsibility
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You should accuse your employer of the same thing. Does he know how much he’s paying you to spend your life on a baseball forum instead of work?
So much for fiscal responsibility.
Irreverent
NJ got hit by Beckett on his wrist?
Irreverent Discourse May 28th, 2010 at 4:31 pm
damon was replaced by granderson, not 2 backup outfielders… are you on drugs?
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No. I just say no to drugs.
I also don’t buy the black and white “Granderson replaced Damon”. No player on a team is a set defined roll. You make improvements where you can as a whole. Not player to player.
I thought letting Matsui walk was the right thing to do. However, I think keeping Damon as a LF/DH would have been a big upgrade WITH Granderson. As far as I am concerned, Johnson replaced Damon. Not Granderson
why does moeller need to “go”? he’s a backup injury replacement who plays what, one game now? christ you are greedy.
Damon chose not to come back to us. It was not Cashman’s decision. It was Boras/Damon’s decision.
Rich in NJ May 28th, 2010 at 4:31 pm
Erica
Cashman recently said that Damon wouldn’t have signed with the Yankees for $8m.
If that’s true, how high would you go?
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I would have offered 10 again at the beginning of February
erica – you can believe what you want, but you’re wrong. i can just make things up too… are you sure that NJ didn’t replace brian bruney?
In addition, if Damon was signed for two years, forget about Crawford/Lee this offseason.
SWEENY STFU
Ray
And don’t leave out Cash getting Alex for Soriano either.
Considering the paths that Alex and Sori have taken over their careers since that deal, I would consider that the steal of the century.
“Cashman recently said that Damon wouldn’t have signed with the Yankees for $8m.”
Damage control by Cash. Just like telling Francessa that Minny wanted Wang AND Hughes for Santana, when none of the media reported that.
yes, we really need damons 3 home runs and 3 stolen bases, something that gardner is outperforming and granderson is almost outperforming even having not played in a month.
Irreverent Discourse May 28th, 2010 at 4:28 pm
cashman – vazquez is not money down the drain, get over yourself and your hysterical nonsense.
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I really wish that i was wrong on that but unfortunately its 3 days from june and he still hasn’t found his fastball velocity – the excuse was he didn’t play in the WBC (or whatever the heck it was called), then it was he wasn’t getting enough pitching time, then it was he was being jerked around, then he hurt his finger – how many more excuses do you have to find for this guy? he obviously can’t pitch in NY and was more suited to stay in the NL – he said so himself when he was first signed (that he felt more comfortable in the NL – or some similar cry for help like that)
if he turns this thing around i will be the first one on here to say i was dead wrong – but i don’t think that will happen – so its not as hysterical as you claim it to be…
lol… Sweeney defending Winn. He sounds disappointed that he was released.
“You should accuse your employer of the same thing.”
No need to get personal.
“Damage control by Cash. Just like telling Francessa that Minny wanted Wang AND Hughes for Santana, when none of the media reported that.”
I said “if that’s true,” so again, how much would you have offered?
btw, I wouldn’t have traded Hughes even up for Santana.
With this move 12 of the 25 players on the active roster came through the yankees minor league system. Those 12 guys also look like they are fairly set and will be on the team for a while barring injuries. None of those 12 looks like he’s going on the roster transiently and is going to be sent down shortly. This will likely last until the trade market really develops.
When Posada comes back that will be 13.
I know last year the yankees definitely had 12 homegrown players on the roster but I don’t think they ever got to 13 other than perhaps for a short lived period of time.
Can’t ever think of a time when over 50% of the roster was internally developed. And yes four of them were from a different generation but that’s a separate issue. They were still internally developed (and their longevity means that there are only functionally 21 roster spots to potentially have the minors fill in so discounting them some how skews the composition of the team).
Keeping Russo was the right decision. He’s the better player at this point in time and helps them win.
You can see where the team’s thinking is heading. Eventually the entire bench and bull pens may wind up being composed of internally developed players. This is where the yankees are going to save some marginal dollars. There may be a couple of veterans, but I’d guess their goal is to fill the pen and bench with players from the system.
The Other Phil (Don’t Feed The Trolls) May 28th, 2010 at 4:29 pm
Jeez. People still biatching about Matsui and Damon. For cryin’ out loud.
Maybe some of the ‘regulars’ here left, not because of the ‘imposters’ but because of the ridiculous crying of the posts.
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I hope this wasn’t some sort of shot at me. I am really not a whiny poster. I am actually one of the most positive. I just brought up the Damon situation again because
1) Its nice to discuss baseball and not the blog problems
2) The Winn DFA makes you re-evaluate the situation with additional hindsight.
Sorry, you don’t like the subject choice
It was all over the media that the yankees were negotiating with Damon. All the reports from Heybrain (a boras mouthpiece) and the Boras camp is that Damon deserved his old salary for 2-3 years because he helped them win the World Series.
Cashman , after getting nowhere with Damon, moved to sign Johnson. He called Damon, and told him if you accept my current offer 2 years, 14 million, then I will back off my deal with Johnson, but you have to accept now. Damon, did not, and so Johnson signed. That is straight from Cash’s mouth on XM radio talking to Jim Bowden.
Boras and company have never refuted it.
Cashman already knew how hard it would be to sign a good player like Damon with a pay cut, its why they did not go after Abreu.
Irreverent Discourse May 28th, 2010 at 4:35 pm
erica – you can believe what you want, but you’re wrong. i can just make things up too… are you sure that NJ didn’t replace brian bruney?
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Yes. Johnson wouldn’t be so wild when he pitched. Although, maybe with his wrist problems.
You don’t have to agree with me, but I can believe what I want. It doesn’t make me a bad person.
cashman – a lot of people feel more comfortable getting FREE OUTS. he got hit on the finger with a pitch, that’s not an excuse it’s a fact. go smash your hand in a door and then come reply to me. tell me how awesome you feel.
matt
There’s no need for those types of comments here.
Hindsight is 20-20
So long bizzaro Bernie Williams.
Sweeney is not… smart…
Erica
If he turned that down, then you’d move on?
matt-
Don’t insult me personally, just because you disagree with me. You don’t know anything about my professional life
Erica in NY May 28th, 2010 at 4:33 pm
Technically,
Granderson replaced Melky
Gardner replaced Damon
NJ/Thames/Miranda replaced Matsui
So I think really Yanks are better with all 3 replacements to date.
Rich in NJ May 28th, 2010 at 4:39 pm
Erica
If he turned that down, then you’d move on?
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Yes. Then I would feel that Cashman really did his best and join the dark side of calling Johnny Damon a mercenary.
I know your job must be part time since you’re on here full time.
In the offseason I was FOR keeping Matsui and against bringing back Damon, because I felt like Matsui would be more likely to return at a discount on a 1 year deal. If the Yankees had signed Damon I would never be opposed, I thought he was a ‘true yankee’ despite being a merc, but there was no way in hell they were getting Damon for a discount.
Boras held out on letting Damon sign with the yankees early because of Holliday, and then held out on money, and it screwed them.
“Sweeney is not… smart…”
What’s he saying?
Matsui was the one who got away, not Damon.
Is there anyone else you want with the game on the line in baseball, except maybe Pujols?
erica – i never said you were a bad person
but you can’t twist facts just to make them fit your argument.
Dragon May 28th, 2010 at 4:42 pm
Matsui was the one who got away, not Damon.
Is there anyone else you want with the game on the line in baseball, except maybe Pujols?
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The Matsui of 2003-2009 is different than the Matsui of 2010.
matt May 28th, 2010 at 4:41 pm
I know your job must be part time since you’re on here full time.
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I have an idea-
Why don’t you go back and count up all of my working hour posts in the month of May.
Then when you actually have facts, you can come back and speak in an informed and rational manner
Winn on DFA: “I’m not surprised. I didn’t play well. Now I’m going to go home and play with the kids. ”
How does he know he’s going to play better with the kids? What was the Winn family’s corresponding roster move to make room for Randy? Eric Byrnes lasted about 2 days playing with the Winn family before he got sent down to a softball league.
Awwww, too bad for Randy, I had much higher hopes and expectations for him as a Yankee.
Oh and Vazquez replaced Wang as a starter. (Mitre,Gaudin, others)
RayVT May 28th, 2010 at 4:31 pm
Cashman needs to go May 28th, 2010 at 4:27 pm
LOL! Yankees are 28-19 with 2nd best record in all of MLB. Yeah, I see your logic. At least be fair & add CC, AJ, Grandy, AndyP, Tex & Swish.
Then add that he kept Cano, Hughes, Joba, Gardner, and a lot of MiLB players.
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RayVT I commend you for your comment and especially since it wasn’t accompanied by some sort of rude remark on how stupid or uninformed i am –
yes i agree that if i point out his bad moves than i should also point out his good ones (and the jury is still out on grandy, AJ, and maybe 1 or 2 more) – but then i can also point out his other head scratching moves – womack, giambi, pavano, igawa, farnsworth, latroy hawkins, not wanting to resign arod when he opted out
the reason i was pointing out the 4 that i did is because supposedly this was the first year that he was working “on a budget” and if you’re working on a budget (like 29 other gm’s do) you would think that you’d get something back for almost 20 million dollars.
i mean the guy literally missed on all of them!!!
Irreverent Discourse May 28th, 2010 at 4:42 pm
erica – i never said you were a bad person but you can’t twist facts just to make them fit your argument.
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Sure I can.
Thats actually half the sport of debate. Using facts and moving them around to support your theories. Political figures do it all of the time! So do sports analysts. You can throw out any stat when its convenient for you
Personally, I think Damon here would put our offense over the top. You all can say Damon has 2 or 3 HRs right now, but look at the team he is on and the players he is surrounded by in Detroit.
I think Damon in the 2 spot again would have minimized Tex and Alex’s slumping.
Cano has taken over the 5 spot nicely.
And he would give us some more flexibility, being able to play LF every so often.
erica – thats fine… but we didn’t replace a starter with 2 backups, and then replace a backup with a starter. that makes no sense.
Nick
Your ability to find a glib angle on the mundane is impressive.
cr9 – damon is having an awful season, it’s not just the HR’s. he is being outperformed by brett gardner, so i ask again… why do we need him and where would he play that he would actually be helping us?
Cashman needs to go May 28th, 2010 at 4:45 pm
Very true! Every GM has their moments and their Moments. I like the path the Yankees are on now. I can’t expect 100% accuracy.
Irreverent Discourse May 28th, 2010 at 4:48 pm
erica – thats fine… but we didn’t replace a starter with 2 backups, and then replace a backup with a starter. that makes no sense.
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Okay, but I still think we could have skipped the Winn and Thames experiments
irreverent Discourse May 28th, 2010 at 4:38 pm
cashman – a lot of people feel more comfortable getting FREE OUTS. he got hit on the finger with a pitch, that’s not an excuse it’s a fact. go smash your hand in a door and then come reply to me. tell me how awesome you feel.
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Irreverent –
he said his finger was fine – if he was indeed injured then it was even dumber to go out there and pitch – his finger wasn’t hurt any other time this year – yet still there are all excuses made for this guy on why his velocity is no better than a high school pitcher right now….until he proves otherwise – thats 11.5 million down the drain
Looks like a lot of the sofa scouts are around today.
Trade deals, Winn’s DFA not being a good thing, fiscal responsibility, Cashman being a horrible GM.
A part of me wishes the Yanks could win every single game they played because I’d be interested to see what kind of wacky S**t some of you would still come up with.
Cashman needs to go May 28th, 2010 at 4:45 pm
I’m sorry if I’ve ever said anything rude t you before.
“Personally, I think Damon here would put our offense over the top. You all can say Damon has 2 or 3 HRs right now, but look at the team he is on and the players he is surrounded by in Detroit.”
It could be the result of park factors. Remember, he tailored his swing to NYS.
That was my point all along about why Damon made a mistake.
Even though he would have made the same or less with the Yankees, thereby causing him to swallow his pride, his increased power output at NYS would have enabled him to have more impressive stats, and as a result, make more money over a multi-year period based on his output in 2010.
# The Other Phil (Don’t Feed The Trolls) May 28th, 2010 at 4:29 pm
Jeez. People still biatching about Matsui and Damon. For cryin’ out loud.
Maybe some of the ‘regulars’ here left, not because of the ‘imposters’ but because of the ridiculous crying of the posts.
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Bingo!!! I will be at RAB if you need me.
Irreverent
I am not second guessing any of Cashman’s decisions. I am just looking at the other scenario.
As I said, Damon is probably having a ‘bad’ season because of the team he plays for, the players in the lineup he is surrounded by, and because of a letdown because he enjoyed playing NY with the likes of Jeter, etc.
I also believe NJ will greatly help us when he comes back. But I think that Damon would be our DH/occasional LF.
CB – your last point is spot on.
It will be reasonably hard for a position player from the farm to find a permanent spot on this roster. But the farm is perfectly positioned to keep churning out bench players, bullpen guys and spot starters. List below. Over the next couple of years there is a chance a C, outfielder and SS will come from the minors, but certainly for OF and SS a free agent is likely the route. But, if the Yankees focus their resources on purely top tier starting pitching and position players, because everything else is filled from within it is a phenomenal strategy.
Guys legitimately positioned to help now or really soon:
Nunez, Corona, Colin Curtis, Laird, Melancon, Romulo Sanchez, Nova, Macallister, Adams, Joseph, Snyder.
Then of course you have a few guys with legit shots at being regulars: Montero, Romine, Almonte (it sucks he is out the whole year with labrum)
erica – i don’t think signing anyone worse would have helped the public opinion of this situation. if there were better players available i’m fairly sure we would have attempted to get them. or at least heard about it.
am shocked with the way we r hitting, that joe would throw that lineup out there
shocking
Rich in NJ May 28th, 2010 at 4:52 pm
It could be the result of park factors. Remember, he tailored his swing to NYS.
That was my point all along about why Damon made a mistake.
Even though he would have made the same or less with the Yankees, thereby causing him to swallow his pride, his increased power output at NYS would have enabled him to have more impressive stats, and as a result, make more money over a multi-year period based on his output in 2010.
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Well said Rich
Bingo!!! I will be at RAB if you need me.
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Rest assured, you won’t be.
Rich
Yes. I forgot all about that. Different stadiums as well for Damon.
This is too funny not to share-
According to this Yahoo article, Winn was Damon’s replacement
http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/ru.....mlb,244290
Cashman needs to go May 28th, 2010 at 4:45 pm
Vazquez could easily be a key to a lot of things.
1) If he pitches like last year then that is great.
2) If not, he could easily be trade to NL team for something very good. (Even a 3-way trade)
3) Vazquez gives the Yankees innings, which I think he will, then he saves the BP and is better than a lot of #4/#5 starters for Yankees.
RayVT May 28th, 2010 at 4:51 pm
Cashman needs to go May 28th, 2010 at 4:45 pm
Very true! Every GM has their moments and their Moments. I like the path the Yankees are on now. I can’t expect 100% accuracy.
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like i said I hope cashman shuts me up and johnson, vazquez and the rest come back to contribute like they were supposed to – or even if they don’t that the rest of the team can carry the yankees to another WS win – but saying that he is the archtect of a world champion, although technically correct, isn’t telling the whole story here…
have a great memorial day weekend..
That is funny! But we all know Winn did not replace Damon, and was not brought here to do that.
I am on the side of those that believe that Johnson replaced Damon.
For the reasons that the Yankees seemed to want to allow Matsui to leave because of his desire to play LF.
So it was going to be Damon/Granderson or Johnson/Granderson.
I have an idea-
Why don’t you go back and count up all of my working hour posts in the month of May.
Then when you actually have facts, you can come back and speak in an informed and rational manner
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One month out of 12. You’re still stealing from your employer.
Cashman needs to go May 28th, 2010 at 4:45 pm
You too! Be safe!
JJ May 28th, 2010 at 4:36 pm
lol… Sweeney defending Winn. He sounds disappointed that he was released.
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Sweeny is lost. He is talking about how Swisher doesn’t have a late inning defensive replacement now. Swisher is fine in the outfield he doesn’t really need one.
You can tell who his favorites are on a personal level. He is not blaming Javy for pitching bad against the twins. Then when Mike talked about Sabathia struggling in last couple of outings Sweeny started talking about Burnett. Burnett is 5-2 with a 3.55 era and just threw 5 scoreless against the twins he is pitching fine. Why is he worried about Burnett.
# Phil the Thrill May 28th, 2010 at 4:32 pm
Johnson, Winn, Vazquez, Thames are all 1 year deals for the Yanks. Johnny wanted 2. Plus, though I don’t know if it still holds true, the Yanks found the 2010 FA class more interesting than the 2009 FA class. That’s why they were looking for short deals.
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Talk about cutting to the chase!
Cashman needs to go — you are spot on. Cashman’s winter was a dismal failure.
RayVT May 28th, 2010 at 4:51 pm
Cashman needs to go May 28th, 2010 at 4:45 pm
I’m sorry if I’ve ever said anything rude t you before.
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Ray you haven’t (at least i don’t think so) – but some of the regulars on here (and i consider you one – me not so much) tend to degrade posters when they come up with comments that they don’t agree with – regardless of how absurd some of the comments actually are –
and i think that this is why you now have this place infested with imposters that attack the regulars – because the regulars are just as nasty as the non regulars at times – and no i’m not am imposter – as i’ve been posting with this name for quite sometime now
anyway we are all yankee fans and are also entitled to our opinions regardless if they are in agreement or not with everyone else…in my opinion i wish we had more RayVT’s on here
“in my opinion i wish we had more RayVT’s on here”
You got that right!!!!
matt May 28th, 2010 at 4:59 pm
I have an idea-
Why don’t you go back and count up all of my working hour posts in the month of May.
Then when you actually have facts, you can come back and speak in an informed and rational manner
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I don’t believe you could have done it that quickly. And also did you check the times that I am posting. Cause I eat lunch at my desk sometimes 12:30-1:30ish. Those can’t count silly!!!! I demand mathmatical accuracy
“and cashman’s swings and misses continue”
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It was a low/no risk move.
There were just as many pea-brains ripping every move last season too. That worked out well.
Winn came here and gave it everything he had. It didn’t work out. He seems like a class act. I wish Randy well.
For those pining for Matsui, he who is hitting .238 this season, why do you not remember that he didn’t want to sign to be the DH? He still wanted to play the field? There was no way that Matsui was going to sign with the Yankees A: for a 1 year deal which is all they were willing to offer of B: if they had no intention of ever playing him in the field, which they didn’t.
Not a big surprise to see Winn go
Oh wait- I misread matt. I thought he actually did the analysis.
Trust me, I am not stealing from my employer. I work insane hours and get extremely wonderful evaluations.
But I appreciate your concern for my professional life. However, I think you should stay out of it!
“I don?t believe you could have done it that quickly. And also did you check the times that I am posting. Cause I eat lunch at my desk sometimes 12:30-1:30ish. Those can?t count silly!!!! I demand mathmatical accuracy”
Why are you even responding?? Sad.
Bsoton Dave-
Thanks for Neimann. He did GREAT yesterday!
“Cashman needs to go”. Yet they won the WS last year.
Brilliant.
I bet you want Girardi fired, too. And to drop Tex in the line up or bench him.
Again, brilliant.
How will registration get rid of the fans who wanted Damon to be re-signed?
Erica,
I was thinking about that. Niemann has been an automatic quality-start every time out and he’ll get plenty of wins with that offense.
That might end up being one of those trades that I end up regretting (sooner than later)
BD – thats what you get for reading those sell high articles hehe
BD (Boston Dave) May 28th, 2010 at 5:07 pm
Erica,
I was thinking about that. Niemann has been an automatic quality-start every time out and he’ll get plenty of wins with that offense.
That might end up being one of those trades that I end up regretting (sooner than later)
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He scored 29.5 points last night. Its funny, I now have 2/5 of the TB rotation.
I was frustrated with Greinke. I almost always got the QS, but then the bullpen blows the lead. The guy couldn’t get wins
wow, has the blog sunk to an even lower low?
criticizing one of the few rational contributors because they should be more focused at work?
who cares?
Erica,
How could Winn be Damon’s replacement when Damon was a Yankee starter and Winn was a bench player? Yahoo is not the voice of authority. Use your noggin.
Phil the Thrill May 28th, 2010 at 5:10 pm
Erica,
How could Winn be Damon’s replacement when Damon was a Yankee starter and Winn was a bench player? Yahoo is not the voice of authority. Use your noggin.
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I know that! Thats why I thought it was hilarious
Pretty sure Erica posted that in a ‘ha ha look at these dumbos’ way
Erica,
I definitely went with the big name and I do believe Greinke is the superior pitcher. But like you said, in this league, wins/losses is a huge factor. Greinke could pitch better but lose 5 points if KC doesn’t score any runs while Neimann gets 7 points.
I felt like I had good depth so I could roll the dice. We’ll see…
Jerkface May 28th, 2010 at 5:11 pm
Pretty sure Erica posted that in a ‘ha ha look at these dumbos’ way
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You are correct.
Why are you even responding?? Sad.
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Because she got caught with her pants down and is pulling out the excuse-o-meter trying to cover up. That’s why.
Didn’t some one here say Winn would be the starting LFer (replacing Gardner) by Memorial Day?
“# Irreverent Discourse May 28th, 2010 at 5:09 pm
BD – thats what you get for reading those sell high articles hehe”
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True. At least I still have Jose Bautista starting at 3B
BD (Boston Dave) May 28th, 2010 at 5:12 pm
Erica,
I definitely went with the big name and I do believe Greinke is the superior pitcher. But like you said, in this league, wins/losses is a huge factor. Greinke could pitch better but lose 5 points if KC doesn’t score any runs while Neimann gets 7 points.
I felt like I had good depth so I could roll the dice. We’ll see…
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You trounced me the week I went up against you.
I had big hopes for Greinke but the guy seemed to have awful luck. If it wasn’t run support, the bullpen blew the lead.
no worries matt-
I am officially done with you.
criticizing one of the few rational contributors because they should be more focused at work?
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Rational contributer about what? A pretend boyfriend and the muppets?
“Didn’t some one here say Winn would be the starting LFer (replacing Gardner) by Memorial Day?”
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probably a couple who felt that way.
I personally thought Winn would be an acceptable bench OF especially considering his versatility in the field (all 3 OF positions).
It’s possible he would have played better over time but I certainly can’t argue with cutting ties now. He didn’t give them much of a choice.
If Thames continues to work out, you have to consider it a “win”. When you sign two bench OF with little risk, if even one of them provides good value, that should be considered a fair return, no?
I’m going to take a wild guess here (you tell me if I’m out of line):
We will lose this game.
You guys are too funny.
Anyway, I have enough time for a nap before my plans tonight.
Bye Yankee people!
matt – you can’t even keep the people you are trying to make fun of straight. just give it up you sorry little boy.
“# matt May 28th, 2010 at 5:16 pm
criticizing one of the few rational contributors because they should be more focused at work?
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Rational contributer about what? A pretend boyfriend and the muppets?”
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I’m pretty sure that stuff is just in fun. I think Erica is fairly level-headed when it comes to talking Yankees… whether I or anyone else agrees with her opinions.
I’d take a handful of Erica’s over the people who think the Yankees will win the WS after every win and miss the playoffs after every loss.
hobbs – you are out of line. go look at the cleveland lineup and tell me why its better.
Hobbs,
Carmona scares me a little bit. I’ll never forget how nasty he was in the 2007 playoffs against the Yanks (I realize he has regressed a bit since then). I think it will be a good game.
Yanks have been solid at home this season. I’ll say 4-3 Yanks win.
The next week or so is the time for the Yanks to get back on track. I hope it starts tonight.
“If Thames continues to work out, you have to consider it a “win”. When you sign two bench OF with little risk, if even one of them provides good value, that should be considered a fair return, no?”
Oh, absolutely. Thames has done great so far for his role. That walkoff vs. Paps will buy him plenty of rope lol
go look at the cleveland lineup and tell me why its better.
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They have this johnny peralta
Sox don’t have a better lineup than us.
Mets don’t either
Neither does Detroit
Neither does Minny
We lost all those games. Indians can’t score 3 runs against us? With the way we are hitting, that might be all they need.
Especially with their best pitcher going who has a 3.4 ERA this year and who has nasty stuff and keeps the ball in the yard.
I think Erica is fairly level-headed when it comes to talking Yankees… whether I or anyone else agrees with her opinions
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When does she ever talk about the Yankees? She talks about Damon as her boyfriend, the muppets, or herself. Not necessarily in that order either.
They have this johnny peralta
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hate you
Matt,
“When does she ever talk about the Yankees? She talks about Damon as her boyfriend, the muppets, or herself. Not necessarily in that order either”
Although I think you are out of line in attacking Erica, but it is hard to find fault with your characterization of her posts.
All Winn wanted to do was Win, now his dream is over. That`s the breaks.
arod not in the lineup?
Jon Heyman
yankees plan to seek 2 players this trading season: a hitter (to replace nick johnson) and a reliever.
I am surprised that Girardi didn’t sit Arod and Cervelli on seperate days. The lineup is already short with them playing. Carmona being a sinker baller is a bad pitcher for the Yanks to face with the way they are hitting.
The Yankees now have a 39-man roster with Randy Winn gone. Either keep it open for a July deal or give the spot to Royce Ring in case Marte falters.
Nobody seems to feel good about Boone Logan.
http://newyork.yankees.mlb.com.....p?c_id=nyy
Though it comes at the cost of a fractured foot, maybe this forced early-season break will actually pay dividends for Posada and the Yanks:
a. He’s not going to be hurt while he’s on the DL
b. He’ll be fresher, theoretically, at the end of the season
c. The Yanks will have a much better idea what they have in Cervelli
Not saying it outweighs the negatives (losing a power-hitting catcher), but at least there may be some positives in the situation.
clearly you guys are trying too hard and confusing erica with betsy… but keep it up! you don’t look stupid at all.
Winn was already unpopular with the fanbase. I understand that Cashman doesn’t cow-tow to the fanbase but Winn a) didn’t hit much b) his glove was not as advertised c) was already being branded as a rally killer by a large percentage of the fanbase. I’m not surprised he was made to turn in his pinstripes.
Chan-Ho will be the next to be sent packing in my opinion. He won’t last the season.
jerkface – lol, how could i forget the fearsome peralta… and PRONNNNNK. I recind my statement, they are going to whoop us.
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Chad, Sam, Jeff….
I implore you to do something before this blog self-destructs!!
I have seen this happen before:
Stage 1: A new blog is created- not many readers
Stage 2: There are some good posts, and good commenters are attracted and the blog grows, and hopefully develops a great reputation.
Stage 3: Others are attracted to the blog and arguments/fights/disputes/imposters/random crap start occurring. At this point, the blog managers have to decide if they want to moderate things, or just let it evolve “naturally”. Hopefully, they begin moderating comments, blocking IP addresses, and maybe requiring registration.
Stage 4: If nothing is done, the good commenters leave– one at a time at first, but then more quickly as they realize there are fewer and fewer of the good commenters still around.
Stage 5: The blog is dominated by “trouble-makers” of all sorts, and there is very little valuable commentary any more.
Stage 6: Finally, even the trouble-makers find it uninteresting, and they all leave as well.
In my opinion, we are part way into Stage 4 at this point, and the blog is in serious jeopardy of self-destructing.
I seriously implore you to do something before this happens!!
“A blog that is not well managed ends up becoming cantankerous or argumentative or something. It will never cross the Delaware.” George Blogashington
“One if by land, two if by sea, three if by spam comments on the blog.” Henry Wadsworth Blogfellow
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# CR9 May 28th, 2010 at 2:29 pm “… they have nothing to do with whether or not registration is implemented.”
Actually, I’m sure the decision to implement registration involves input and discussion among multiple people, including Chad/Sam/Jeff. I would have to believe that the Newspaper company listens to their beat writers, and considers their requests, especially requests which are made strongly and with good justification.
… so I believe that to say that Chad and Sam and Jeff have “nothing to do with whether or not registration is implemented.” is very much mistaken.
The Chan Ho Park watch is on. He will be gone soon. Get the national league players like Winn and Park off the team!!!!!!!!!!!
I believe Park is still suffering from his hamstring problem.
His problem has been pitches up in the zone. That’s what you get when you’re leary of landing on your leg, so you wind up not following through on your pitch, and it winds up going high. thing happened to Phil Hughes in 2007, when he injured his hammy, and it took most of the season to get right. He finally did, getting that playoff win against Cleveland (relieved Clemens).
If anyone out there – Randy, Pat M, for instance – has insight, please feel free to chip in here. But, if that’s the problem for Park, I hope it gets better before the end of the season.
Apparently, Jacoby Ellsbury’s ribs are made out of tissue paper. Who knew?
j/k.
“The Chan Ho Park watch is on. He will be gone soon. Get the national league players like Winn and Park off the team!!!!!!!!!!!”
Agree 100%. Johnson also needs to be put out of his misery…
Never again get a player from the NL.
the only problem park has is that he’s a terrible pitcher and pulls Houdini acts every offseason to keep getting paid.
candle – johnson is not a “player from the NL”… lol… how is getting hit on the wrist a failure on his part?
Jerkface -
I was busy with dinner and just came back and read your post, skipped ahed about 100 posts to say:
Were YOU in the clubhouse? How in heck do you know what kind of a teammate or clubhouse guy he was?
Everything I read said exactly the opposite of what you posted.
He may not have produced as hoped on the field, but you have NO IDEA AT ALL what he did or didn’t do in that clubhouse and have no right to speak of that part of his tenure here. I’ll give you that he was a disappointment on the field. That is all.
No player wants to do poorly. It’s a sad day for Randy Winn. He’s a major league baseball player who lost his job because he didn’t execute. He handled the situation with a lot more class that you did in that post.
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Park is never going to be a shutdown pitcher, he never has been. But he should be expected to be able to be a reliable 6th or 7th inning arm if he is not over-exposed. What they can’t have is what he has been so far. He is the start of a big inning every time out, and that is unacceptable. Problem is, there is nowhere for him to go to get straightened out except to keep running him out there and hope he doesn’t lose the game.
“I was busy with dinner and just came back and read your post”
Doreen,
Great post, that must be some spicy dish that you’re cooking!
chan ho needs to go