Chamberlain: “I let the team down”
Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Podcast on May 29, 2010 
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Dave Robertson and Sergio Mitre didn’t do much to help, but the bulk of the seventh-inning blame certainly falls on Joba Chamberlain who was asked to get one out and let six runs score before finally striking out Shin-Soo Choo.
“We had the game where we wanted,” Joe Girardi said. “We had our eighth-inning guy in. We needed four outs from him (counting the eighth). Other guys helped create that issue, but when you hit two guys, you walk a guy, you give up free base runners, it’s going to cost you.”
Chamberlain has pitched 11 times this month. In eight of those outings he’s combined for 9.1 scoreless innings with three hits, three walks and 15 strikeouts. In the other three he’s allowed 10 earned runs in two innings.
“It always comes down to location, it really does,” Girardi said. “That’s what pitching is all about, being able to be down in the zone and living on the outer edges. When you don’t, when they’re up, hitters are going to hurt you. That’s really the common thread.”
As for the bottom line…
“I let the team down,” Chamberlain said. “There’s no long and short of it. I’ve got to make better pitches in that situation. They fought and clawed the whole game and I was supposed to come in and get one out, and I didn’t do my job.”
Here’s Chamberlain.
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I really dislike Joba’s postgames because of their jeterian nature. Even though most of what he says is true, about needing a short memory and work on things and go to your strengths and blah blah blah.
Guess he forgot to wear his magic necklace that lets him throw baseballs through brick walls to the applause of small children.
explain it to the arbitrator, Joba.
meanwhile, the Yanks should give Hughes a long-term deal.
Joba you suck. Go back to Scranton and learn how to pitch you putz.
Not his fault. He shouldn’t even be up here. Cashman has him here because of his name. His EA is almost 6. He sucks and should not be up here.
Worthless. Pathetic. Couldn’t even trade him for a half eaten bag of chips.
I don’t know what I fear more: Joba’s next appearance or Joba’s next tweet.
EPIC FAIL
EPIC FAIL
EPIC FAIL
EPIC FAIL
EPIC FAIL
EPIC FAIL
EPIC FAIL
GET BACK TO AAA, JOBA
this guy blows large
Trevor, thanks for the info!
I’m not counting on Ace and now Robertson is hurt? Sigh.
Vasquez is a problem, too……
Well, that’s something. No sugar coating. No excuses. I guess he’s learning something.
But he’s in a situation where he can’t be THAT BAD. As good as he’d been, he can’t be that bad. He didn’t even have to be perfect today. Just a lot better than he was.
I don’t know why, but those words from Joba make me feel better. Because he was accountable. And he actually has a clue.
Why should Joba care? He has his ML salary, his guaranteed roster spot that Cashman will never take away from him. Maybe if he had to earn something, he wouldn’t suck so badly.
Nick
Joba’s next tweet. Trust me.
Joba’s not here because of his name. He has (or had?) a huge amount of success early on in the Major leagues, and not just relieving, but starting. I believe the Yankees still see that.
The name is what still draw the fans in, though. Joba. Joba Rules. He became larger than life – way too soon. Perhaps if he went with his given name, Justin, it wouldn’t have been so bad. “Justinmania??” Nah.
i personally don’t care what joba says in words.
i’d love to see him go back to scranton for long enough to get him to just take this mlb gig a little more seriously.
pat, Nick -
Oh yeah. Joba needs to become tweetless. For a long while.
I despise Joba almost as much as Mel Hall.
swbyankeesTT The first hit of the game comes off Strasburg. It belongs to Jon Weber, who hit a sharp single to center on a 97 mph heater.
We can talk about Joba until we’re all blue in the face OR…
…we can start to talk about the RS and Rays games.
Joba’s tweet should be. CC battled, the guys put up 11 runs but I threw 5 meatballs.
CC’s 3rd bad start out of 4 too.
We score 11 runs and still loose lol
Buchholz starting, fathers put away your betsies.
wow, some of you people are insane.
randy l -
Wouldn’t you think he needs a lower level – more instructional – than AAA if the idea is to re-work him, rather than AAA?
pat: yeah, you’re right. Joba could BRING IT the next time he’s on the mound.
“Absent your representation that you emailed him and he verified that he made the comments, I would still absolutely believe it was an imposter.”
I love that — my representation! West Coast represent!
I will stick with my ‘representation’ that I said it wasn’t a Pat M imposter for a variety of reasons and that I confirmed it via email with Pat M.
I’ll take that to the jury.
Joba’s latest tweet:
Joba_62
http://tl.gd/1ifpr7 Life is about perspective! Have to get better as a father, friend, and baseball player! Sun comes up tomorrow!!
Get rid of this guy, now.
m -
I agree with you on that – Joba’s statement.
pat,
This isn’t directed at you at all. But I find it silly to report (seemingly) every ball put into play against Strasbourg.
Dump Joba. I’d take Melacon over joba at this point. So much for that electric arm. Not so much as a spark in it now.
On that note, I’m supposed to be somewhere north of the GG Bridge, so I’ll take my reply off the air.
Thanks all for making a train wreck of a baseball game more
enjoyableinteresting!Enjoy your evening, though I will likely check in via mobile and present further representations.
Shouldn’t the yankees have been Loyal to Randy Winn / Edwar Ramirez / Albaladejo / Shelley Duncan / Brett Tomko / Mitre / Marte / Crosby / Cody Ransom and every other player who wore pinstripes by continuing to play them until eternity?
The team is more important than the individual and Pat M’s comments were perfectly in line. Joba is not more important than the success of the Yankees. He could be a PART of that success, but there is nothing wrong with suggesting he go to the minors or whatever.
“Wouldn’t you think he needs a lower level – more instructional – than AAA if the idea is to re-work him, rather than AAA?”
doreen-
i don’t think it matters where.
i just think he needs a wake up call.
i think he’s wasting his talent.
Trisha,
Do you believe Nick in SF emailed Pat M. or he just represented that he did?
You have accused him of lying in the past, are you insinuating that he lied about contacting Pat M.?
Doreen,
I said this a long time ago here, and I got tasered for it. But Joba has not been treated like any other pitching prospect that I know of. Hughes & Kennedy got designated at times for ineffectiveness. That has never been in the conversation for Joba. Looking at other young pitchers who went back to the minors to work on stuff (Hughes/Kennedy/Buccholz), there’s no stigma attached and it can be beneficial.
There’s no getting around it. Joba’s regressed. What are they going to do? They owe it to Joba to at least help him figure it out.
Oh, one more thing since Betsy is around: today’s loss was likely my fault for not posting my In-N-Out Phil tribute pic sooner. It was yummy!
http://www.flickr.com/photos/9.....651327568/
Keeping him in the majors shows that he is above the team. What kind of message would you be sending to the vets that Joba stays up here no matter what, no matter how many games he blows because he needs to be straightened out? Joba is not above the team and hsould straighten out his problems somewhere where the results don’t matter
Robertson has a couple bad outings, he goes to the beach for a week. Marte also goes to the bench if he has a rough outing. Melancon has a bad outing, he goes to the minors. Park has a bad outing, he moves to a mop up man. What makes Joba better than any of these guys? He sucks too, yet he keeps not only his roster spot ,but his EIG spot.
Tough loss, worst of the year, adversity…..we are defending champs, we respond tomorrow….put it behind you, truth be told this board takes losses harder than they do
Nick, yum!
Does Joba ever utter a sentence that does not include a cliche?
As an English major, I cringe when this guy speaks. He has no original thoughts of his own.
Houston will take him and some prospects he’s cheap, they get to dump Oswalt’s salary!
Joba should single-handedly refund all the people who had to watch that abomination on a beautiful Saturday afternoon. Blowing a 6 run lead in the 7th inning to the 2nd worst team in baseball… SMH.
I really think he should be sent down to AAA. Maybe that would get him to refocus on how to pitch. He is inconsistent.
This isn’t just one bad game either. Though this was probably about the worse he’s given when you add in the opponent and that it was one frikin out that he couldn’t get.
Yes jobber, the sun will come up tomorrow, too bad it won’t be you watching it from Scranton.
Let’s go Scranton!
were up 1-0 on strasburg
It seems to me that we have all reached the same conclusion. Joba should go to the minor league that will straighten him out, and he should be treated like every other player on the team.
# Scott May 29th, 2010 at 7:37 pm
Joba’s latest tweet:
Joba_62
http://tl.gd/1ifpr7 Life is about perspective! Have to get better as a father, friend, and baseball player! Sun comes up tomorrow!!
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How about a simple “I sucked today”? Does he always need to use this “sun will come out tonight” garbage?
I notice Fat-Lazy changed from ‘tip his cap’ to ‘they put out good at-bats’.
what a moron.
wheres the joe g audio?
that ought to be goood
m -
I have to agree with what you just wrote.
Ultimately, it would be in the best interests of both the Yankees and Joba if they would take extreme action and send him down and get him right. They are not doing him or themselves any favors by continuing to allow him to work things out here.
I get the argument that merely sending a guy (Hughes, Joba, even Kennedy) to a level of baseball where they dominated won’t necessarily fix what’s wrong.
That’s why I think they need to take Joba out of competition altogether – send him to a level where it is more instructional than competitive (relatively speaking, of course). Really work on his mechanics. Break it down. Do whatever has to be done. He’s had 4 plus pitches. Which is why the argument for him being a starter arose. His fastball and slider (?) were devastating, which is why the argument for him being the “heir to Mo” arose. Now, he is almost unrecognizable, even when he is effective. He’s not the same. it’s not going to work itself out here. He is not Hughes, his issues are not the same.
Same old boring, tired statement. “I let the team down.” This delusional goof known as Joba Chamberlain doesn’t have a clue how to find the plate and until he starts to take the game seriously, he belongs in AAA.
Other teams are not stupid. His value right now is rock bottom and no GM is dumb enough to take a chance.
The Mariano grand slam loss is minor compared to Joba’s last 2 implosions.
4 run lead in the 8th to BOS
6 run lead in the 7th to CLE
Both at home, both by Joba.
If that doesn;’t get you sent to the minors, I don’t know what will.
Nick, I responded to you on the previous thread. There’s no need to bring that here only because there are baseball things to be talking about. But I did want you to understand where I was coming from.
Unknown
Trisha was not insinuating anything. She probably did not read the post by Nick in which he stated he was emailing Pat M first. Nice try, though!
Tips his cap,
Yep and I have a screen name that explains it.
When will this fat loser blame himself and not credit the other team? The Indians suck. Shelly Duncan is hitting 5th for them. Yet he couldn’t protect a 6 run lead against them.
Nick, sent you an email.
Slobba ruined by Memorial Day Weekend.
Send him to the minors. He can tip his cap there all he wants and nobody will care. At the ML level, he is costing us valuable games that we should have in the bag.
CWS- 2 TB-1
KC- 0 bos-1
Halladay him.
# Joba says they put out good ABs May 29th, 2010 at 7:54 pm
Tips his cap,
Yep and I have a screen name that explains it.
When will this fat loser blame himself and not credit the other team? The Indians suck. Shelly Duncan is hitting 5th for them. Yet he couldn’t protect a 6 run lead against them.
LOL, good name.
send him to AAA!
I’ve advocated Halladaying him, too. But, people didn’t like that idea either. Especially since his velocity came back and he bounced back from his poor start.
But IIRC, there was nothing wrong with Halladay’s velocity either when he was reworked.
What he “tweets” and what he feels are not necessarily the same thing. It’s my opinion that Joba should stay far away from tweeting, but, that’s me.
People don’t tweet their true innermost feelings, and they come off shallow. Joba doesn’t share his soul on twitter. He tweets affirmations.
I have a facebook page, with a status and all that. I rarely post a status there. If I do, it’s generic and shallow.
In other words, not an accurate guide to who I am or exactly what I’m feeling.
Frankly, what can you say in 140 characters?
And, the sun WILL come up, and life DOES go on. And as a relief pitcher, that’s as good an attitude to have as any.
What about a Gaudin/Marte platoon for the 8th inning? Gaudin vs. lefties, Marte vs. righties. Gaudin is a great ROOGY. Marte is an inconsistent, but decent LOOGY.
Manage like TLR— manage to everyone’s strengths. Same with Mitre.
The ONLY apprehension I have about sending him down is who takes his place?
While we are angry at Joba, CC imploding from the 4-6th inning can’t be overlooked.
He used 113 pitches for 6 innings giving up 5 runs. CC is still at 4 wins, the ONE of two, in the Yankees rotation. He’s tried 5 times to get his 5th win, Most Aces are at 6 and working on 7.
Geez I hope not! Joba just said you might get that chance to go back in tomm. The only person I want to see in there tomm is anybody but him. What an overated player.
Joba on twitter is exactly what is wrong with twitter
Even if Joba is not sent to the minors he can’t be the EIG anymore. He cannot be relied on right now in big spots. He is way too inconsistent and has single handedly cost this team games in that role.
Girardi talked all spring about earning your spot. Then the regular season came around and we have seen none of that with Joba. He has hurt this team more than any other reliever, Boone Logan included.
Knock down his role in the bullpen at the very least.
But CC did leave with a lead at least 2 times recently, and had the bullpen not imploded, he’d have 6 wins.
Doreen
The idea of a twitter for a celebrity is just to interact with fans. It is a rather unique idea.
Demi Moore helped save the life of a troubled kid via Twitter.
“Halladay him.”
sounds good to me.
m
We’re right. They’re wrong.
CC is a fraud,
Agree, but with how disgraceful fat Joba looked, it is easy to fly under the radar if you are CC.
CC has had 3 out of 4 bad starts now. He was awful opening night too, mediocre in Oakland.
Not looked right so far this year. He has to do better than 6 innings, 5 runs against Cleveland. Andy has been our ace. CC has been a zero. 4.16 ERA and only 4 wins through the first 2 months of the season. Also has a very high HR rate.
I’m with Rich, turn this Holiday weekend into a Halladay experience for Joba.
Doreen,
His place on the roster? Nova. His place in the bullpen? Answer not clear.
But it’s moot anyway, they’re not going to send him down. If they do, it’ll be because his clock’s about to expire. But I still doubt it.
# Betsy May 29th, 2010 at 7:12 pm
Damon, we may not have to worry about a post-season; this team has pretty serious flaws.
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Guess who’s baaaaack!!!!!???????
“The ONLY apprehension I have about sending him down is who takes his place?”
doreen-
they are a little shorthanded aren’t they?
that may be why they don’t do it.
they need to do something dramatic though in the bullpen.
Joba is not demi-moore.
Demi-moore isin’t fat, lazy, and have a huge ego undeservedly. Nor does she have Teflon from her organization nor are they afraid to send her to the minors like Joba is apparently by Cashme
I heard people blaming Girardi for todays loss. Which I find laughable. Ok maybe he changed pitchers too much that inning. But Joba imploded!
I hope Lakers can win one important game on the road tonight. Otherwise their fate in Final will be even darker.
Kobe needs to have some rest before Final, btw.
m
You’re right. They are not sending Joba down. Our bullpen is short as it is, sending him down does not help matters. The hope is that he turns things around and becomes more consistent.
Joba Tips his Cap
You are absolutely, without a shadow of a doubt, a Celtics fan.
Kendry Morales broken ankle after jumping on the pile when he hit a walk off slam against the Mariners.
http://images.fanfeedr.com/201.....87050c.jpg
There is no clear answer who can be the EIG.
However, replacing Joba Chamberlain is not really that difficult right now. There are plenty of guys in the minors who can pitch as bad as Joba has this season.
Girardi imploded, too. They shouldn’t extend him until he starts showing a wiser gut.
Today’s dunce cap award goes to …………………… Joba Chamberlain for his performance on the field and his bland statement after the game.
He’s getting quite a collection in recent weeks.
Betsy May 29th, 2010 at 6:45 pm
I saw that Phil pitched a nice game yesterday…I can’t say I feel the same confidence in him in terms of how good he’ll be as I used to, but it was nice to see him get back on the beam -even though he faced an awful team.
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Sometimes I wonder if you ever played the game?
Girardi probably should of left Mitre in. But Joba can make no excuses! None at all.
“As an English major, I cringe when this guy speaks. He has no original thoughts of his own.”
Jeter has been doing it for 15 years and everyone thinks it’s genius.
“The hope is that he turns things around and becomes more consistent.”
Hope is not a plan.
We are wasting a top tier talent for some illusory hope of a magic fix. It’s not going to happen.
I may or may not be on this board again tonight, so if not – good evening all!
# CR9 May 29th, 2010 at 8:11 pm
Joba Tips his Cap
You are absolutely, without a shadow of a doubt, a Celtics fan.
LOL, I wish Celtics drop dead. But they didn’t. If I were a celtics fan, I would just admit it, there’s nothing wrong. But I am not.
Now I pick Celtics over Lakers in 6, does this confirm I am a Celtics fan?
i didn’t see much after sabthia left.
what was up with him and cervelli ?
there’s clearly something going on there.
i wondered often earlier in the season why cervelli never had a lot of playing time in the minors.
some said it was because of injuries.
i never thought a catcher could keep up that level of hyper-ness because it’s not college baseball . they play every day.
all that rah rah crap gets annoying when you’re not in the mood.
give me a grumpy catcher any day. it fits them better
cervelli was clearly not as animated as the day went on with sabathia.
is that affecting his catching with the following pitchers?
i wouldn’t be afraid to give moeller every third game or so while this sabathia/cevelli things plays out.
i wondered often earlier in the season why cervelli never had a lot of playing time in the minors.
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He caught as much as any catching prospect, he just didn’t DH. CC said that he lost track of the signs.
“There are plenty of guys in the minors who can pitch as bad as Joba has this season.”
the way he pitched today that would be even if they threw with their opposite hand.
jerkface-
i don’t know about that . he only had 828 plate appearances in five years.
that’s really low. not even 200 a year.
i don’t have a clue what it means, but something doesn’t seem right there.
Phill,
If we miss the playoffs this year, he doesn’t get extended
Nobody who misses the playoffs twice in 3 years gets an extension
cc is not going to say anything that should remain in the clubhouse to the media.
Have another fried bologna sandwich Joba!
not dh-ing is part of the puzzle.
Mel……Lakers getting 2 points as they’re a rare dog tonight
Doreen the team went to bat for CC, but his performance was not worthy of the win.
I was hoping Mitre or Gaudin got the win. CC was gassed after his 34 pitch 4 th inning, his 27 pitch 5 th inning, only to be followed by his 24 pitch 6th inning. He was laboring out there!
I like the guy, but he should feel embarrassed being paid as an Ace right, he’s Not a stopper,
because he runs out of gas.
i don’t know about that . he only had 828 plate appearances in five years.
that’s really low. not even 200 a year.
i don’t have a clue what it means, but something doesn’t seem right there.
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I know you get an idea in your head and then like to push that agenda for all its worth. But think about what you said. What the heck does plate appearances have to do with catching? Cervelli, as a prospect, was an all defense light bat prospect. He caught 89 games in A ball. By which time reports were he was basically major league proficient as a catcher. He did not DH one game. He then had his wrist broken and was out for almost all of 2008. He came back and caught some for trenton. He then caught 80% of SWB’s games until he got called up because Posada and molina were both injured in 2009.
The reason it doesn’t seem right is because you aren’t thinking about it correctly.
Austin Romine caught less games than Cervelli in A ball, something to worry about? Jesus Montero even less games.
Seriously, no issue there.
Its one thing to have an opinion about Cervelli’s enthusiasm, its another to try and foist that opinion on the minor league organizations/yankees insinuating that they kept him on the bench because of it.
unknown – I wasn’t ignoring your question. I am still having problems with my laptop.
I absolutely believe that Nick verified that information with Pat M.
CR9 -
I have a Twitter account because of GTLU. It has it’s uses. But I’m not a huge fan of it in general.
m -
If they could find a viable alternative, if other pieces of the pen were working, I think they could send him down. But right now? There’s a problem.
They should have sent him down last season, but, again, they had Wang go down. Joba’s become a warm body, who is better than most. When he’s good he’s great; when he’s bad – well….
The problem with Joba is simple – he is just too fat. He can’t sustain velocity and whenever he gets into a little bit of trouble and goes into labor, he always implodes because he is out of shape and doesn’t have stamina to throw extra pitches
” What the heck does plate appearances have to do with catching?”
whenever i played i tended to hit about once every 9 times my team hit.
they play baseball differently where you played?
The real Pat M’s here now.
Pat,
I think the Lake Show wins tonight.
Very difficult game. There’s not two ways about it. It was awful.
With a game like this no one person can lose it – the lead is just too large. What’s required is a perfect storm of incompetence by the players supported by curious managing. And that’s what we saw.
First and foremost, the reason why the yankees lost – by far the biggest reason – was CC Sabathia was just plain awful.
He was awful from inning one. Don’t get fooled by the results. He was making poor quality pitches for the entire game. He didn’t have any life on the ball. And his location was horrible. I can’t remember a game where his slider location was this bad. He simply wasn’t finishing off his pitches – his slider in particular. He wasn’t getting through the ball. His slider is usually a 70 pitch and today it was a 40 pitch. He left it out over the plate to right handed hitters over and over and over. The entire purpose of throwing that slider to right handed hitters is to bury it back foot. He didn’t get close.
I don’t think he had any feeling for his change because he didn’t throw it very much. Usually if his slider isn’t great he goes heavy to change to righties. But that didn’t happen.
Finally his fastball was listless. He looked like he may have been aiming it some to try to keep it down and it was listless and still poorly located.
Think about how few swings and misses CC had to today.
And when you have your ace out there and have that kind of lead – you must win that game. He has to get you through 7 full innings without leaking runs. That was a demoralized team CC and CC gave them breath. Terrible job.
With Joba – it’s sort of stunning. I don’t know if I’ve seen a pitcher whose mechanics are so hot and cold. Joba’s mechanics are awful. When AJ loses his mechanics you can see why. With Joba it’s not just that he’s off on something – he’s a completely different pitcher. He literally turns into a AA pitcher.
And for so long people have been arguing that Joba’s true nature is to be a reliever and his role was the problem.
But his role was never the problem. He lost the ability to throw the ball. Until he gets that back he is going to be wildly inconsistent. The question is how do you fix that while still allowing the team to win this year?
It was reasonable to see if throwing him out of the pen would allow him to simplify things out on the mound and focus his mechanics. But he’s still throwing the ball awfully. He literally just doesn’t throw the ball well anymore on a consistent basis. It’s just so ugly to watch the ball come out of his hand.
I’m trying to think of another pitcher who reminds me of what Joba looks like this year?
And the best comparison I can come up with for Joba the reliever 2010 and his wild fluctuations in performance are Joba the starter 2009.
Joba Will Return to form
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austin romine got 917 at bats in his last two years alone , and that’s by age twenty.
that’s more than cervelli got in 5 years in the minors and though age 23.
those are the facts.
One other thing I wanted to say –
While today’s loss was primarily a function of CC’s performance I completely understand the focus on Joba. With CC it’s just his mechanics and he’ll lock those down and then turn into a wall where he dominates over and over. We’ve see this before with him. His arm looks good so you don’t worry about this being a long term problem.
With Joba – outside of today – he presents a much bigger, mission critical organizational problem.
I have no idea if he’s going to figure it out or become more consistent. We’ve seen no evidence of it since he walked off the mound in 2008.
The theory of his struggles and lack of velocity being a function of him gaining shoulder strength from the tendinitis in 2008 doesn’t look particularly promising either. He’s not getting better.
He’s throwing very similarly to how he was last year only a tick or two harder.
His mechanics are truly horrible.
Somebody, and I am not going back to find out, said that CC was overweight and therefore, tired. The same can and should be said for Joba. Maybe what the team needs is a nutritionist.
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austin romine got 917 at bats in his last two years alone , and that’s by age twenty.
that’s more than cervelli got in 5 years in the minors and though age 23.
those are the facts.
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Cervelli played half the games in his short season debut. He then caught 89 games in A ball and did not DH at all. Then he got injured for 90% of a season. Then he got called up to the big leagues.
You’re being obtuse. Romine played in 104 games at Charleston, 50 of them were at a position other than catcher. Then in Tampa, he played in 120 games and only caught in 80 of them.
Cervelli did not get any consideration to pickup ABs at DH.
He averaged more than 4 PA per game played. He just didn’t play in as many games as other guys because of: Injury, he only caught.
Do you understand what I am saying?
Fran