Posada hoping to return this week
Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Misc on May 30, 2010 
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Jorge Posada hit in the cage yesterday, and he hopes to hit on the field today. He hasn’t started running yet, but he remains optimistic that he’ll be back in the lineup by the time the Yankees go to Toronto on Friday.
“I hope before that,” he said.
That seems overly optimistic, but Posada said he’s been encouraged by how strong his foot has felt since the protective boot came off this week.
“It felt better without the boot than with the boot to tell you the truth,” he said.
Moeller is probably starting today because Cervelli took a foul ball off his right shoulder yesterday not because of any issues with CC.
CC was the blame yesterday not Cervelli. It’s interesting to see Posada supporters against AJ and Joba last season are now lined up to blaming Cervelli on basically the same issue.
crawdaddy May 30th, 2010 at 11:03 am
Moeller is probably starting today because Cervelli took a foul ball off his right shoulder yesterday
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that was my first thought too.
“that was my first thought too.”
Great minds think alike.:)
Awesome news.
Now they just need to find a couple of guys to pitch the seventh and eighth innings.
To clarify, CC is the blame for not executing his pitches yesterday.
blake,
I just read you goldfish post a couple threads back. It was very simple but I have to say it was one of the most interesting posts I have ever read on this board.
You should get your father to post on here. It would up the baseball IQ by a lot
crawdaddy May 30th, 2010 at 11:05 am
“that was my first thought too.”
Great minds think alike.:)
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Last year with Hughes in the 8th was huge.
Without an 8th inning guy we won’t win it.
Better get one. Any ideas?
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Also no Aceves.
Coke was more effective than what we now have.
And Robertson was better than he is now.
Hate to say it but Hughes to the pen was the answer then and now. It won’t happen but to cut back on his innings, it’s a thought.
Looking forward to Jorge coming back soon.
Have a great day everyone and Go Yankees!
Mitre can’t pitch out of the pen, make him the 5th starter again.
The pen is in a shambles and is the key to our season.
Isn’t it funny how people are suspecting Cervelli of “communications” issues with pitchers all of a sudden that the team has crapped out? Remarkably similar to the vitriol directed at Posada in the past. When will people realize that it’s the pitcher who throws the ball, not the catcher? If the pitcher doesn’t like the called pitch, he can and should shake the catcher off. If the pitcher is unwilling or unable to do that, then he shouldn’t complain about the catcher’s calls.
A few more Joba meltdowns and he is gone.
His problem is he runs on adrenaline and that can’t be sustained daily.
The stench of Chamberlain still lingers over the Bronx.
Do they give him the silent treatment or tell him he’s just one more lousy outing from packing his bags to the Scranton/ Wilkes-Barre Yankees ?
Should CR9 have made that disgraceful comment in the last thread, indeed he should be banned. however, he never shuts up after one comment so I assume it was some vile impostor. I will ask him however.
Mick-I agree that without Hughes in the eighth last year the season would have been very different. My idea is that we do not have the eighth inning guy on this team, and one needs to be acquired. What about Jenks or Putz? I’m not sure they would be much better, but they have ability.
Last year with Hughes in the 8th was huge.
Without an 8th inning guy we won’t win it.
Better get one. Any ideas?
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How about Tyler Clippard? ..lol
Got some nice NL stats and that’s what scares me, but hey he would be better than anyone the Yanks have, right?
The Yankees cannot win without Posada’s bat or plate prescence, even if their our better catchers around. Cervelli is a rah rah guy and catchers can’t be cheerleaders.
I could imagine him giving CC a pep talk and CC telling him to shove it already.
“Isn’t it funny how people are suspecting Cervelli of “communications” issues with pitchers all of a sudden that the team has crapped out? Remarkably similar to the vitriol directed at Posada in the past. When will people realize that it’s the pitcher who throws the ball, not the catcher? If the pitcher doesn’t like the called pitch, he can and should shake the catcher off. If the pitcher is unwilling or unable to do that, then he shouldn’t complain about the catcher’s calls.”
I’m glad that I’m not the only one seeing that irony especially with Posada supporters from last season now becoming Cervelli attackers this season.
.. Halladay throws no-hitter, Morales breaks leg on celebration game ending GS, Arod drills Huff off the face (glad he’s okay) and Joba spontaneously combusts on the mound at Yankee Stadium.. Weird day of baseball!
Cervelli was not meant to be the everyday guy.
These are different issues.
Chris May 30th, 2010 at 11:16 am
Isn’t it funny how people are suspecting Cervelli of “communications” issues with pitchers all of a sudden that the team has crapped out? Remarkably similar to the vitriol directed at Posada in the past. When will people realize that it’s the pitcher who throws the ball, not the catcher? If the pitcher doesn’t like the called pitch, he can and should shake the catcher off. If the pitcher is unwilling or unable to do that, then he shouldn’t complain about the catcher’s calls.
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Chris-great post.
Any updates on dave robertson? Will he be able to pitch today?
Cervelli is overworked and is getting exposed, that’s all.
He is great off the bench as a sparkplug.
It’s all about roles.
That is the problem in the pen.
W/o an 8th inning guy and with Girardi’s constant mixing and matching they are spent.
# Macfan May 30th, 2010 at 11:11 am
“# mick May 30th, 2010 at 11:07 am
Also no Aceves.
Coke was more effective than what we now have.
And Robertson was better than he is now.”
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Like you said we had Coke who was more effective
Aceves was doing everything for us
Robertson was less exposed
and Hughes was in the 8th
now its a shambles to watch.
joe hyman May 30th, 2010 at 11:25 am
Any updates on dave robertson? Will he be able to pitch today?
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I doubt he’ll be available today. From what I read this morning, it doesn’t seem too serious though. I think he’s listed as day to day.
Marte saved us in the Series.
But does nothing in season.
It needs revamping and no one will help us.
It’s a problem.
To be fair to Joba, I think some of the blame has to go to the Yankees.
Their uber-conservatism and utter mismanagement in terms of role development took a guy who was progressing into a beast that no team wanted to see in the late innings and turned him into a complete wreck.
It’s really a damn shame because he had all the makings of a modern-day Goose Gossage.
“# Kovar May 30th, 2010 at 11:31 am
It’s really a damn shame because he had all the makings of a modern-day Goose Gossage.”
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Fair to say those days are now long gone. Crying shame.
yes halladayis great and pitched a perfect game, however last week he was spanked by the red sox AGAIN…..
It’s incredible how valuable the set-up man is and why do you mess with that when you have one in Joba. Trying to make him a starter when he was successful as he was was a major crap shoot that they appear to have lost.
Today’s bullpen availables looks like : Park, Mitre, Marte, and Mariano.
Gaudin threw 35 pitches yesterday and Joba can’t be trusted. Robertson will be bypassed pending his back tightness.
Joba is to blame for Joba.
Everything else is just an excuse.
It’s clear Cervelli and CC have had problems in the last two starts. The eyes don’t lie?
Is he being “punished” today? Doubtful.
I do think his inexperience is being exposed and Girardi probably wants a veteran guy working with AJ today.
What to do about the bullpen? Once a trade market forms, they will go outside the organization to get help.
The solutions, especially Joba, aren’t available in house.
Until then? It’s time to pray everytime they are used because it’s a complete mess right now.
Just to be clear: This is not an opinion based on small sample sizes, overreactions, or panicking.
But I have to ask, Joba has been fairly inconsistent all season, correct? He has had periods of brilliance and periods of pitching god awful, right? Right. So for a player that has now become notorious for not performing up to expectations when he is ‘handed’ a specific role, can someone please explain to me why he was anointed our 8th inning guy within the first two weeks of the season?
I’m not even saying we have a better option out there at this point, but it struck me curious at the time and still confuses me now as to how he got the job so soon and is still being referred to by Girardi as our “8th inning guy.” To me, if the problem with Joba has always been a lack of motivation when given a role, shouldnt he be pitching in the 6th and 7th during low pressure situations for a while to show him that he doesnt deserve to be run out there in the 8th if he can’t show up?
Again, I want to reiterate that this isnt an opinion I just came to after watching the mess last night, but he’s been inconsistent for a while now and I don’t see how he deserves the role. Like I said, I’m assuming its based on lack of options, but if Robertson is ok I’d rather see him at this point. The way I see it, if we can’t rely on Joba what is the difference in putting another unreliable reliever out there?
Can posada pitch the 7-8?
SJ44 May 30th, 2010 at 11:38 am
It’s clear Cervelli and CC have had problems in the last two starts. The eyes don’t lie
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SJ-I’m curious, why do you think that is? It seems like they’ve worked together really well up until the last couple of weeks. Is it just a bump in the road kind of thing?
At this point, nobody should be annointed for any roles in the pen except at closer.
The problem is, that will bring out the worst in Girardi who will mix and match to death.
Set roles are best. However, everybody is so bad out there right now, roles are impossible to assign.
That’s why it’s a mess.
Good news about Posada. The Yankees really miss his presence in the line-up.
Will the Yanks break from their usual M.O. and actually play Posada when he’s ready, or will they take their usual approach and wait for an extra week or two “just to be safe”?
I wish this past offseason Cashman had provided a personal trainer for CC and Joba, and required both report in shape. CC really needs his core (belly) in shape for pitching, and to thwart future back issues. Joba looks pudgy and needs to tone all over.
When CC pitched 34 pitches in the 4th he seemed out of steam in the 5th that took 27 pitches to get out of the inning, and still giving up runs in 4- 6 innings, while he was still in the game.
I like CC but he’s doing himself an injustice by not getting in shape. He’s the Ace of the team that after five attempts to get win # 5 still can’t do it. The only one in the starting rotation having a worst time is Javy. The rookie (PHIL) is performing better than the Ace. How’d that happen? Andy QUIETLY has been performing like the Ace this year.
Cashman paid Kevin Long to work with Cano and Swisher, and it has paid dividends in both players. Cano is having the best start of his career, Swisher has morphed into a force to contend with at the plate.
posada will straighten Joba out. By force if necessary.
SJ,
What did you think of Stoneburner last night?
CC is LeBron, AJ is Kobie and Cervelli is Little Dez.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v.....re=related
Is Cervelli starting to wear on the vets?
Erin,
Heat of the battle kind of thing.
Randy gets a lot of grief from the cheerleaders on here.
However, he is right about one thing.
Veteran pitchers don’t like jumpy, over-enthusiastic catchers back there.
The quieter you are in how you set up and receive the ball, the more effective you are.
Cervelli hurt Pettitte in his Tampa start with similar stuff.
It’s just not an on field rah rah position.
The catcher has to be the calming influence when a pitcher is imploding. It’s the most important part of his job.
Cervelli will learn that. That’s all part of his growth cycle.
To all the “great minds that think alike”…the corollary is “and fools seldom differ”.
Joe over-managed yesterday; mixing and matching when you bullpen is short on help exposes you even more.
for now, there is no answer on the farm and so they are going to have to tough it out. the starters need to go deeper.
LGY,
Dad probably doesn’t even know what a blig is but he knows the game as well as anybody.
So CC was out of steam yet his fastball was still hitting 95 and 96 in the 6th?
SJ, I understand that bullpens go through at least 2-3 make overs per season, but the 2010 Yankee bullpen is indeed a mess……..The Aceves injury is devastating and has had more than just a rippling affect…….
Craw,
Nasty two seamer. He broke a lot of bats last night.
He was impressive. Good arm.
He’s better than he was when I saw him pitch at Clemson.
joe does have a tendency to overthink. sometimes it works. But yesterday it didnt. Mitre took over 10 minutes to get ready for 3 pitches with a 4 run lead. None the less, all he asked from joba that inning was one measley out. He has to believe he can get one out from joba.
Here we go. It’s now about CC’s weight. Even though he’s been pretty much the same weight for the last few years. You know, the years he was dominating.
He had a couple of bad starts. It happens. But as typical bridge jumpers go, superpanic sets in after every loss and nonsense ‘solutions’ are spewed with idiotic speed.
All this talk about Joba (who, admittedly, deserves some scrutiny) overshadows the fact that the $24M/yr ‘ace’ couldn’t hold onto a 10-3 lead against one of the worst teams in the league.
The game should never have gotten to the point where Joba could factor into the decision.
What happened to the alleged “fix” that Eiland and Sabathia had discovered prior to yesterday’s start?
SJ,
What was Warren’s problems the other night? It looks from the boxscore he had nothing which happens about once or twice every 10-12 starts.
the good news here is i’d say boston has hit a stride, and still havent caught up to us. Now, the yankees can hit a stride and pull away.
“I’m glad that I’m not the only one seeing that irony especially with Posada supporters from last season now becoming Cervelli attackers this season.”
crawdaddy-
if you referring to me, you’re missing my point about cervelli and sabathia because i literally didn’t say anything about pitch calling or not being on the same page or who should call a pitch.
i’m simply saying that sabathia seemed annoyed with cervelli as in big dog/little dog stuff.
if you ever have been “big leagued” you’ll know it.
veterans will put a young guy in his place.it’s not always what takes place on the field.
it could be because the guy danced with the wrong girl at a club or spoke when a veteran was telling a story. it could be anything or nothing.
i never warmed up to cervelli because i find the high energy stuff annoying . it doesn’t play well in tough times. yesterday i saw cervelli be over emotional to the ump when he was called out on strikes.
you can’t do that when you’re practically a rookie because the ump will take it out on your pitcher.
a veteran catcher could do the same thing and get away with it. it’s a double standard , but it’s there. so as i said, my reason for liking moeller in there today has nothing to do with pitch
selection.
cervelli just needs to cool his jets and get in tune with where he fits in.
I mentioned Tex batting .217 (before yesterday’s game) to a person lamenting their teams woes, and they thought I was making that stat up to make them laugh. So I took to the computer and showed them, and their mouth dropped. Suddenly they forgot their teams problems. Then I showed them CC’s wins and they got down right giddy!!
Everybody loves hearing when the Yankees stink
hey pat m-
you mentioned an infielder squaring up on the bases a while back as a lost art.
i’m not sure exactly what you meant.
how about a lesson for an old catcher on how to do it properly.
SJ44, I thought you weren’t going to post this weekend. Impostor!
What we are looking at here, my friends, is a bridge year.
You can’t remake an outfield and almost an entire bullpen mid-season.
I think anybody that knows MLB understands that Cervelli needs to calm down, but let’s not make the assumption that Cervelli is sitting today because of yesteday with CC. IMO, I think his right shoulder is barking from getting hit by that foul ball.
“i’m simply saying that sabathia seemed annoyed with cervelli as in big dog/little dog stuff.
if you ever have been “big leagued” you’ll know it.”
You don’t have to play in MLB to be “big leagued”. It happens in everyday life too.
Cervelli has positives and negatives. He’s a great receiver, great catch and throw guy, etc. But the way he works with pitchers isn’t exactly great. He’ll work on it and be fine.
Actually, I could give you one easy solution, but I’ll probably be laughed off the board:
trade for Lee or Oswalt and put Phil back into the primary set-up role.
Moving forward, we now know that Phil can be a stud starter. Since he’s only 23, there’s plenty of time for that down the road.
Maybe Cervelli is being given the day off also because he has played a lot of games and could use a day off.
I also wonder what happened to the last guy, Braden(?), who threw a perfect game this year… oh, he hasn’t won a game since.
I like seeing something rare like a perfect game, but it seems that those who have thrown them become less effective for a while. Burhle is another who had a perfect game and then he looked quite ordinary. I wouldn’t be surprised to see that happen to Doc.
Morales must have been in danger of injuring that leg for a while now. That isn’t from jumping during the celebration alone.
Just a shame that our farm system is a mess as well.
New Post w/pregame notes
He’s not the blame for the Blob on the mound a.k.a the Ace. The Blob was spent after the fourth inning, he just lasted six miserable innings, giving up runs. The Yankees couldn’t score enough runs to compensate for the Blob and Joba’s poor outings yesterday.
Words out now on the Yankees, get to the pen if you want to win!!
I like seeing something rare like a perfect game, but it seems that those who have thrown them become less effective for a while
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How about Cone? He was never the same pitcher (whether coincidental or not, it’s a fact that his #s took a nosedive after his perfect game).
Of course, there’s David Wells kept rolling right along after his perfecto. He was definitely the exception (in many regards).
Randy, What I was referring to ” squaring up to the base “, is actually straddling the bag……I’m certain as a catcher he has to eat at your shorts when you make a solid throw to 2nd, only to have your SS in front of the bag and turning in a swipe tag, and the base stealer slides to the outfield side of the bag……The ball travels much faster than the hands swipe…..It just seems that so many guys ( Jeter as well ) like to take throws in front of their bag…….I mean it’s epidemic in the bigs right now…..
The problem I see w/trading for a RP from one of the also-rans is just that: he’s pitching for a lousy team w/no pressure on him.
Take someone w/decent #s pitching for Houston or K.C. and drop him in the NYC pressure cooker and who the hell knows what might happen?