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Pregame notes: Sticking with Joba

Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Notes on May 30, 2010 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

Yankees Twins BaseballYesterday was the Yankees worst loss of the year, and it fell on the shoulders of Joba Chamberlain who has now struggled in three of his past five appearances.

“You put him back out there in the eighth inning today,” Joe Girardi said. “That’s where you go with it… If you gave up on a guy every time that he had three out of five tough days, you know what, we’d run out of players in a hurry. He’s in a little bit of a funk. He’s going to get out of it.”

Aside from his debut in 2007, there seems to have always been a lot of hype and frustration considerable frustration mixed in with expectations of Chamberlain, but I’m not sure the fan frustration has ever been higher than it is right now. Aside from those three outings, Chamberlain has been dominant this month, but it’s hard to overlook his past two weeks.

“This is my fourth year as a manager and I haven’t been through a year that (relievers haven’t struggled),” Girardi said. “It’s just part of the game. I think a lot of times what happens is, it’s much more glaring when it’s your bullpen than any other facet of the game, especially when you’re leading.”

Here’s Girardi’s pregame session.

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• Dave Robertson said he feels fine today, but he’s not available out of the bullpen. “He’s down today,” Girardi said. “Doesn’t feel terrible today, but I won’t use him.”

• Girardi wouldn’t commit to day Jorge Posada will return to the lineup, but he seemed to agree that Posada is fairly close. “I think a lot of it is going to take care of itself when we see him run, which is real close,” Girardi said. As long as Posada is able to run without a limp, Girardi said, a lot of the concern will be gone. They don’t need him to build up speed, only need to know he’s healthy enough to play.

• Posada seemed to think a rehab assignment would not be necessary. “That’s something we would have to talk about,” Girardi said.

• No Robertson in the bullpen today, but Girardi said he doesn’t feel shorthanded. “You’re obviously short on any day if you’re starter doesn’t give you some distance, but I think we’re OK,” he said.

• Why no Francisco Cervelli in the lineup? “We had about a five-hour game yesterday,” Girardi said. “I don’t want to kill this kid. Wednesday he caught all 13 innings and I don’t want to kill him because we’ve got to keep him healthy.”

• If you haven’t seen the video, Kendry Morales was injured yesterday while celebrating a walk-off home run at home plate. “I had never really heard of anyone getting hurt in that situation,” Girardi said. “But I worry now.”

UPDATE, 12:28 p.m.: Indians lineup

Trevor Crowe CF
Shin-Soo Choo RF
Travis Hafner DH
Austin Kearns LF
Russell Branyan 1B
Jhonny Peralta SS
Luis Valbuena 2B
Lou Marson C
Jason Donald SS

RHP Justin Masterson

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47 Responses to “Pregame notes: Sticking with Joba”

  1. randy l. May 30th, 2010 at 12:11 pm

    hey pat m-

    you mentioned an infielder squaring up on the bases a while back as a lost art.

    i’m not sure exactly what you meant.

    how about a lesson for an old catcher on how to do it properly.

  2. gman May 30th, 2010 at 12:11 pm

    DFA Joba. get it done.

  3. Erin May 30th, 2010 at 12:13 pm

    Why no Francisco Cervelli in the lineup? “We had about a five-hour game yesterday,” Girardi said. “I don’t want to kill this kid”

    ****************************

    :lol:

    Glad to hear that Robertson is feeling better and very glad to hear Posada is close to returning.

  4. CRAWDADDY (Boycott ESPN-NY) May 30th, 2010 at 12:14 pm

    This is just an opinion based on nothing, but I think Cervelli’s shoulder is barking. Did any of you writers question Girardi specifically about that foul ball and how his shoulder is feeling today?

  5. Tarheelyank May 30th, 2010 at 12:16 pm

    There is a lot of baseball left. The Yankees are an imperfect team, but news flash so is everybody else. Who figures it out and peaks at the right time will win.

    Randy

    I liked this article.

    http://www.golfinstruction.com.....er-185.htm

  6. Pat M. May 30th, 2010 at 12:16 pm

    Tin Cup….I just finished typing in a response on the last thread….I’m not a paste copy type guy….I should know but I don’t……You made out the lineup today….I like Granderson in the 2 hole…..

  7. Chad Jennings May 30th, 2010 at 12:17 pm

    Just updated with Girardi audio.

  8. it's true May 30th, 2010 at 12:17 pm

    Joba’s ERA is 5.82.

    That’s not the result of “a little bit of a funk”.

  9. Comet May 30th, 2010 at 12:19 pm

    Dontrelle Willis designated for assignment.

  10. Chad Jennings May 30th, 2010 at 12:21 pm

    Also, the CR9 comment from the lineup post wasn’t from CR9. Just another of the fine folks who claim they’re trying to make this community better.

  11. Yankee Trader May 30th, 2010 at 12:21 pm

    The trouble now with acquiring another outside bullpen arm, is that there is no market for one, unless you want to absorb bad contracts from poor performing arms like Chad Qualls, Octavio Dotel, Trevor Hoffman, Kerry Wood, Brian Fuentes to be your set-up men.

    As far as AAA players performing well in relief roles you have the slim pickings of Ring , Melancon, or Albaladejo.

    At this point I don’t see much that we can do, except get the starters to pitch into the 7th, 8th innings!!!!!!!!!!!

  12. Haiku-man May 30th, 2010 at 12:21 pm

    In the the LA times , Mike Scioscia said, “It will change the way they celebrate in the future.”

  13. SMK May 30th, 2010 at 12:22 pm

    Morales was writhing in pain — just a surreal sight.

    He’s been about their only consistent offensive performer. I don’t see any way they can overcome his loss.

  14. randy l. May 30th, 2010 at 12:23 pm

    “Randy, What I was referring to ” squaring up to the base “, is actually straddling the bag……I’m certain as a catcher he has to eat at your shorts when you make a solid throw to 2nd, only to have your SS in front of the bag and turning in a swipe tag, and the base stealer slides to the outfield side of the bag……The ball travels much faster than the hands swipe…..It just seems that so many guys ( Jeter as well ) like to take throws in front of their bag…….I mean it’s epidemic in the bigs right now…..”

    pat m-

    here you go. thanks for the lesson.

    makes sense what you’re saying. so why does jeter do it?

    it’s a similar thing at the plate too. if a ball is coming in from the outfield for a play at the plate you want to let the ball come to you and not get over eager and go out and get it.

    at the plate sometimes you have to go out a little bit because you don’t want the ball coming in to the runner and have it bounce off of him.

  15. Tarheelyank May 30th, 2010 at 12:24 pm

    Pat M

    You are absolutely right about “” squaring up to the base “. My bet is GB would say it’s Lack of instruction in the minors.

  16. Yankee Trader May 30th, 2010 at 12:24 pm

    Morales was writhing in pain — just a surreal sight.

    He’s been about their only consistent offensive performer. I don’t see any way they can overcome his loss.
    ——————————————————————-

    Trade for Juan Miranda and give us a pitcher we can use or Hideki Matsui back!!!!!

  17. Pat M. May 30th, 2010 at 12:26 pm

    Randy I……We’re what is referred to as old school……….The Kendry Morales injury was somewhat expected to happen at sometime….I just always expected it to be an ACL…..

  18. The Other Phil (Don't feed the trolls) May 30th, 2010 at 12:27 pm

    # it’s true May 30th, 2010 at 12:17 pm

    Joba’s ERA is 5.82.

    That’s not the result of “a little bit of a funk”.
    ————
    Your point is?

    You do understand that relievers only pitch one or two innings a game, so when they give up runs, their ERA blows up, right?

    As in it went from 2.16 to 4.91 after 2 appearances and it take a lot longer to come down than go up?

  19. Tarheelyank May 30th, 2010 at 12:27 pm

    “Also, the CR9 comment from the lineup post wasn’t from CR9.”

    That seems to be a recurring theme around here. Can anything be done about it?

  20. SMK May 30th, 2010 at 12:29 pm

    The problem I see w/trading for a RP from one of the also-rans is just that: he’s pitching for a lousy team w/no pressure on him.

    Take someone w/decent #s pitching for Houston or K.C. and drop him in the NYC pressure cooker and who the hell knows what might happen?

  21. Rich in NJ May 30th, 2010 at 12:31 pm

    It’s one thing for Girardi to continue to use Joba in the 8th, but what he can’t do is continue his counterproductive overmanaging by handedness nonsense because it leaves him with no credible Plan B if Joba struggles.

    btw, That loss v. the RS was worse than yesterday’s.

  22. Joe from Long Island May 30th, 2010 at 12:33 pm

    Hi everyone –

    So, the mrs. and I went to the Stadium yesterday, to celebrate our anniversary weekend. What a game. Hot, humid, long, and getting to see the team get clobbered in the worst possible way.

    Joba’s inconsistency is truly maddening. Yeah, CC needs to get better (I was hoping Eiland’s tweek this week would do the job), but Joba is the one who blew it. I know that if it were easy to fix, Joe, Dave, Joba would have done it by now, but this is very frustrating for a fan just trying to enjoy what should have been a better day.

    But, the benefit of being my age is knowing that the sun comes up the next day, and things will get better.

    I hope our dinner out tonight is better than yesterday.

  23. Yankee Trader May 30th, 2010 at 12:35 pm

    SMK-

    The only realistic trade with the Royals for a reliever, at little to no return, would be for Kyle Farnsworth or Bruce Chen.

    I’m sure the Astros would like to dump Brandon Lyon’s contract on the Yankees.

  24. RS May 30th, 2010 at 12:37 pm

    “Take someone w/decent #s pitching for Houston or K.C. and drop him in the NYC pressure cooker and who the hell knows what might happen?”

    That’s why you need to find someone who has AL experience and preferably, postseason experience as well. The Yankees liked Marte for what he did with the White Sox in 2005, and although he hasn’t been consistent in NY, he certainly did fine in the WS.

    I still think much of the bullpen’s struggles hinge on Aceves’ injury, and it would be a shame if he doesn’t return to form this year. No matter what the Yankees do, I don’t think they can replace Aceves’ versatility and efficiency. What he did last year was unique.

  25. John May 30th, 2010 at 12:37 pm

    I predict a loss for today. You?

    If we weren’t able to win with 11 runs yesterday, we have no chance today.

  26. Joe from Long Island May 30th, 2010 at 12:38 pm

    Just saw Joe on the pregame, answering Jack Curry’s questions. (BTW, Curry is very good at what he does.) Joe is nothing if not publicly supportive of his players.

    Curry saying Huff is up and around in the clubhouse. I would assume he was concussed, just due to the mechanism of injury. The Indians should play this very cautiously. I bet they will.

  27. it's true May 30th, 2010 at 12:39 pm

    The Other Phil (Don’t feed the trolls)

    ———————————

    my point was that when your primary set-up man gives up 10 ER in less than 5 IP it doesn’t make sense to just call it “a little funk” and just keep running him out there.

    Of course relief pitchers see their ERA’s skyrocket w/a few bad outings — I get that. What I don’t get is attempting to gloss over what is a potentially serious problem.

    No lead is safe w/Joba right now. Putting him back in the same situation and expecting all to be well is tantamount to insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results.

  28. randy l. May 30th, 2010 at 12:41 pm

    pat m-

    i thought that was what you meant, but i wasn’t sure what you meant by squaring.
    clarify the square part if you can. how should jeter for instance be square. do you mean his shoulders to the catcher or square to the runner?

    i totally get it that the ball needs to travel further, but how would jeter’s body be positioned to be squared up ?

  29. randy l. May 30th, 2010 at 12:44 pm

    “That seems to be a recurring theme around here. Can anything be done about it?”

    for one thing CR9 can knock off his own crazy stuff that attracts that kind of energy to impersonate him.

  30. trisha - #28 is on the way!!!! May 30th, 2010 at 12:45 pm

    You know for all of the time that some of the guys here make fun of the way I process the game, it looks like my calls end up taking the day more than a lot of yours. For everyone calling for Joba to be sent to the the slaughterhouse, it looks like you might have been a little premature?

    First of all, I can absoloutely understand anyone wanting Joba to get straightened out. If you see the stuff that he has when he’s on fire, you want him in there all the time. When you see him inconsistent, then it causes you to wonder what’s going on. Nobody here knows what is going on that is causing the inconsistency, that’s for sure. We can all speculate until the cows come home, but that’s all we can do.

    That said, whatever would possess some of you to call him a fat pig and a drunk and a slob and things like that? Because he’s pitching poorly? Sorry but to me, if he’s a hero when he’s getting the job done and a fat slob and a drunk and a pig when he isn’t, then you’re nothing more than hypocritical opportunists, not dedicated fans.

    I know that this enrages the SJ Imposter, who must have gotten hit with pom poms when he is a child, for the great aversion he shows to them now – but nobody is asking you to cheer wildly for the Yankees when they lose or to want them to continue to do poorly. But if you’re a real fan, dammit, try acting like one instead of sounding like spoiled brats who didn’t get their own way so they’re going to kick and scream. You’re like the Verusca Salts of the Yankee forum!

    Anyway, GO YANKEES!!!

  31. RS May 30th, 2010 at 12:49 pm

    Are there any starting pitchers in AAA who the Yankees can try as short relievers? I understand we don’t have any prospects who can realistically perform like Joba of ’07 or last year’s Hughes. But are there any Aceves, Coke, Masterson (Red Sox version) types out there? Someone with average stuff as a starter who might be great in one inning stints.

  32. GreenBeret7 May 30th, 2010 at 12:51 pm

    i hate seeing any player get hurt, regardless of the team, but, like was said, you knew that someday, somebody would get hurt. Personally, I’m hoping that puts and end to that crap. Showboating and choreographed celebrations turn my stomach.

  33. it's true May 30th, 2010 at 12:52 pm

    Coming into this season, I told myself, “I don’t care what happens this year. After 2009 anyone who complains about the Yankees is obviously an ingrate.”

    Well, I’m here to say that obviously I’m an ingrate. I guess it’s just that the frustration factor of the losses from the last few weeks has been off the charts.

    Moving forward, I’ll try to heed to my previous conviction.

  34. randy l. May 30th, 2010 at 12:52 pm

    “looks like my calls end up taking the day more than a lot of yours.”

    and what calls of yours are you talking about with joba?

  35. Rich in NJ May 30th, 2010 at 12:53 pm

    A registration and log in system would help.

  36. Bronx Jeers May 30th, 2010 at 12:53 pm

    Joba threw 25 pitches. Is he really available today? Doubt it.

    He had me barking at my TV yesterday. It’s hard to watch.

  37. Pat M. May 30th, 2010 at 12:54 pm

    Randy, What I mean to say is for the infielder to position himself where his feet are squared to the bag…..When I had the bag assignment on steals, I just ran right to the bag and get my feet into position as the throw is coming in………Throwing out base stealer’s is a Major gig for a catcher…….What used to be, slap the tag has become swipe the tag…..Swipe tags have been around forever, but the positioning of one’s feet around the bags ( 3rd as well ) has changed somewhat over the years……..Trust me, you never wanted to go back to the dugout after botching the tag on base stealer and facing the dude with the tools on……My least favorite part of the game……….

  38. randy l. May 30th, 2010 at 12:57 pm

    “A registration and log in system would help.”

    we do it for just about everything else on line, twitter , facebook, everything.

    i don’t see why not?

    first thing i’m going to do if registration comes is grab the GrennBeret7 username though and sell it to gb7 .

    if he doesn’t come through with cold hard cash i’m putting up dyed pink poodle photos of killer until he does :)

  39. SJ44 May 30th, 2010 at 12:59 pm

    Patrick,

    I did post in the other thread re: Stoneburnet and the bullpen issues.

    I didn’t post yesterday.

    I’m at the nephew’s game now so, this will be my only post the rest of the day.

  40. SJ44 May 30th, 2010 at 1:01 pm

    Stoneburner, Cervelli, and bullpen issues.

    Sorry for the typo.

  41. randy l. May 30th, 2010 at 1:02 pm

    pat m-

    doesn’t that put your left foot in the line of the base stealer?
    is that why jeter for example doesn’t do it ?

    i like to know these things because it’s amazing how little players know about other positions even though they play alongside everyday.

  42. GreenBeret7 May 30th, 2010 at 1:02 pm

    grab the GrennBeret7 username ?

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    Are you trying to impersonate my trying to impersonate you? The spelling sure looks like it.

  43. Pat M. May 30th, 2010 at 1:03 pm

    >>>>>>>>

  44. randy l. May 30th, 2010 at 1:06 pm

    ” The spelling sure looks like it.”

    i didn’t even try to do that.

    just thinking about gb7 does things to people’s spelling.

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