Someone owes Nick Swisher a million dollars
Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Lineup on Jun 01, 2010 
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I’m not at the stadium again today, but last night Nick Swisher told reporters that he would bet $1 million that Derek Jeter would be in the lineup after hurting his hamstring yesterday. Of course, Swisher was right.
Derek Jeter SS
Nick Swisher RF
Mark Teixeira 1B
Alex Rodriguez 3B
Robinson Cano 2B
Marcus Thames DH
Francisco Cervelli C
Curtis Granderson CF
Kevin Russo LF
There are a lot of things about the bottom of that lineup that would have been tough to predict a year ago.
Also, the Indians have reportedly claimed Shane Lindsay off waivers. Lindsay was a member of the Yankees organization for about 30 seconds earlier this month. Turns out today is the start of a new month. Who knew?
Last month. It’s June.
Chad operates on a rolling calendar, the last 30 days are a ‘Chad Month’ (A Chanth)
Are we back to platooning Gardner? After 3 hits yesterday? Or is Joe po’d about the 2 caught stealings? Or is his finger really hurting? Inquiring minds would like to know.
At least it’s not Thames out in LF.
No winners in today’s Guess the Line Up.
Four of you came sort of close.
ac1
YankeeRay
Dallas Braden
UnKnown
Had it right through the first six lineup spots. Then Girardi got all cute!
Good try, guys!
Thanks, again, everyone, for playing.
Chris June 1st, 2010 at 4:19 pm
Are we back to platooning Gardner?
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Gardner was due for a day off.
Are we back to platooning Gardner? After 3 hits yesterday? Or is Joe po?d about the 2 caught stealings? Or is his finger really hurting? Inquiring minds would like to know.
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Gardner has played like all but 5 games
Are we back to platooning Gardner? After 3 hits yesterday? Or is Joe po’d about the 2 caught stealings? Or is his finger really hurting? Inquiring minds would like to know.
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maybe he wants to keep him hot and he was struggling his last few times vs. lefties and he has the finger issue so this was a good day to sit (hasnt rested i think since granderson went down).
Chris -
Oh! Forgot Gardner hurt is finger yesterday.
I don’t get why they can’t give Jeter an extra day, especially when the field is going to be so wet
@Erin, et al. How come Teixeira is never due for a day off?
Girardi likely weighed the benefit of giving Gardner a day off now given: its a lefty, gardner got a cut on his thumb, he hasn’t had many days off thanks to all the injuries. Gardner has played in every game in May.
plus, those two CS were on absolute peas from the catcher.
No news on Posada, the guy says he is ready to play, ran the field, took batting practice so what’s the delay in his activation.
If he says he is ready to return and only he can know how he truly feels then I believe him.
i hate this line up
i’d love to see swish in that #2 hole permanently.
wanted to see
jeter ss
swisher rf
arod 3b
cano 2b
tex 1b
thames dh
granderson cf
cervelli c
gardner lf
Cervelli ahead of Granderson? I like Cerv, but still.
Per Peter Gammons, Romine is among the top 5 catching prospects in the game per scouts, etc……..He thinks the Yanks might very well trade Romine for Lee rather than waiting, but I don’t see that; that’s not Cash’s MO – and I would never do that. The point was that Seattle is looking for a big-time C prospect.
“No news on Posada, the guy says he is ready to play, ran the field, took batting practice so what’s the delay in his activation.
If he says he is ready to return and only he can know how he truly feels then I believe him.”
Girardi said yesterday they needed to see how his foot reacted after doing all that running. Plus no way are they just activating him immediately after one day of running. They need him to squat for 9 innings, no sense in rushing him since the team is doing well right now & it is only June 1. He needs to make sure the fracture has healed and he can handle the rigors of catching again.
“I don’t get why they can’t give Jeter an extra day, especially when the field is going to be so wet”
What in the world does a wet field have to do with a bruise? Relax, these guys aren’t made out of porcelain.
Gammons just gave Romine a lot of love. Said the Yankees could get Cliff Lee now if they gave up Romine. Scouts say hes in the top 5 in catching prospects.
# Dallas Braden June 1st, 2010 at 4:25 pm
i’d love to see swish in that #2 hole permanently.
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You will against lefties, but Granderson will be in there against righties and we will have
vs Righties
Jeter – SS – R
Granderson – CF – L
Teixeira – 1B – S
Arod – 3B – R
Cano – 2B – L
Posada – C – S
Swisher – RF – S
Miranda – DH – L
Gardner – LF – L
vs Lefties
Jeter – SS – R
Swisher – RF – S
Teixeira – 1B – S
Arod – 3B – R
Cano – 2B – L
Posada – C – S
Thames – DH – R
Granderson – CF – L
Gardner – LF – L
with a bench of
Cervelli – C – R
Miranda – DH/IF – L / Thames – DH – R (depending on lefty or righty starters)
Russo – IF/OF – R
Pena – IF – S
Awful lineup
Why isin’t Gardner in the lineup? The guy has 3 hits all year and has been on fire lately and we take him out of the lineup?
Why is Russo in there over Winn? We should put the best lineup out there defensively for Javy considering he is a fly ball pitcher
Why is Granderson batting 8th again? He can hit lefties and he proved it this weekend. Stop jerking ….. keep him in one spot.
Why give up a prospect when you have the financial might to sign him in FA? It’s a silly suggestion.
Betsy – Hughes rules (Pleading the Fifth) June 1st, 2010 at 4:28 pm
Per Peter Gammons, Romine is among the top 5 catching prospects in the game per scouts, etc……..He thinks the Yanks might very well trade Romine for Lee rather than waiting, but I don’t see that; that’s not Cash’s MO – and I would never do that. The point was that Seattle is looking for a big-time C prospe
You beat me to it. Do you live in NY? I get a 2 min delay from wfan.com. He didn’t say the Yankee would trade Romine. He said they could if they wanted.
What do we need Cliff Lee for?
We need a reliever. Actually reliever(s).
Curt June 1st, 2010 at 4:31 pm
Why is Russo in there over Winn? We should put the best lineup out there defensively for Javy considering he is a fly ball pitcher
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I’m sure he will enjoy catching fly balls watching in front of the TV seeing as he is no longer on the roster.
Why is Russo in there over Winn? We should put the best lineup out there defensively for Javy considering he is a fly ball pitcher
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I have some very bad news for you.
Why activate Posada today on a wet field? Its better to see how the foot reacts to running yesterday and they can activate him tomorrow if there isn’t any swelling.
Girardi has said for a week Gardner was due for a day off. No surprise today is the day.
As per LoHud tradition, the more people complain about the lineup, the more runs the Yankees seem to score.
All we need now is one the chronic whiners to write, “Vazquez will have to pitch a shutout to win with this pathetic lineup”. If that happens, the Orioles should just go home. It will mean the Yankees will hit double digits again.
“# Mark in Tampa June 1st, 2010 at 4:29 pm
“I don’t get why they can’t give Jeter an extra day, especially when the field is going to be so wet”
What in the world does a wet field have to do with a bruise? Relax, these guys aren’t made out of porcelain.”
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LOL, from the sounds of things we’d be better off wrapping these guys in bubble wrap and placing a Fragile, handle with care sticker on them.
@vblade: Winn? He’s gone.
# ITC 99 June 1st, 2010 at 4:32 pm
What do we need Cliff Lee for?
We need a reliever. Actually reliever(s).
Javy leaves. Sign Cliff Lee. Hope Pettitte stays.
Curt has a great point about Winn not being in the line up. Why isn’t he playing today?
Heck, I havn’t even seen him on the bench!
# Macfan June 1st, 2010 at 4:33 pm
“# Mark in Tampa June 1st, 2010 at 4:29 pm
“I don’t get why they can’t give Jeter an extra day, especially when the field is going to be so wet”
What in the world does a wet field have to do with a bruise? Relax, these guys aren’t made out of porcelain.”
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LOL, from the sounds of things we’d be better off wrapping these guys in bubble wrap and placing a Fragile, handle with care sticker on them.
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You can make an argument that Nick Johnson deserves that treatment. lol
I think Cervelli is ahead of Granderson because Joe didn’t want to have 3 righties in a row. If Miranda was in the lineup, I think Granderson would have batted second and Swisher would be batting sixth, in between Cano and Miranda.
Curt=moron post of the day. Congratulations. You get a Randy Winn Bobblehead doll as your prize.
Mark, excuse me – I would prefer to give Jeter another day, ok?
Whats so wrong about giving Gardner a day off? Facing a tough lefty and maybe give his finger an extra day to heal. Russo has show he can play the outfield pretty well.
Carl, I know that – but Gammons said he thinks they might do that and I disagree; I would be shocked if Cash did that.
“SJ44 June 1st, 2010 at 4:33 pm
Why activate Posada today on a wet field? Its better to see how the foot reacts to running yesterday and they can activate him tomorrow if there isn’t any swelling”
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Sounds like he might be activated tomorrow, trust me if Jorge wasn’t feeling well the mediots would have already published a back page piece about it after he ran the bases and took practice.
Jeter had to clear out of there after the game so they couldn’t run a full scale inquisition about his stiff hamstring.
Gammons is right. The Yankees could trade Romine and get Lee if that’s what they want to do.
I don’t see that happening unless Lee would agree to a deal with the Yankees in season.
Lee and AJ have the same agent.
Would I do it? Not unless I was 100% sure Jesus Montero is your catcher of the future AND I knew I could sign Lee in season. Two BIG if’s, IMO.
Granderson is a much better hitter than Cervelli and should not be batting behind him…….and if you want to think that’s whining, whatever.
Curt’s still waiting for Ronald Reagan to get this economy turned around.
What is Reagan waiting for?
“# Chris June 1st, 2010 at 4:33 pm
@vblade: Winn? He’s gone.”
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Long gone, thankfully, his defense was nothing special, balls fell in in front of him, to the left of him, to the right of him and over his head.
He never closed down any balls in the gap, robbed any sinking liners. He isn’t missed one bit.
I wouldn’t do it, period – it makes absolutely no sense to trade Romine or any big prospect when you could get Lee for nothing.
“Mark, excuse me – I would prefer to give Jeter another day, ok?”
To be fair, you prefer to give any injured player some extra time off.
Betsy,
Its a bruise, not an injured hamstring.
Jeter is fine. Guys play with bruises all the time.
Alex got hit on the elbow pad and his elbow swelled and he’s in the lineup.
Its all part of the game.
they said joe wants to test posada one more time to be sure. i think we can survive one more day without posada, if it means being extra sure he is 100%. He is a competitor and i love that, but with him, safer than sorry.
# vblade June 1st, 2010 at 4:35 pm
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LOL, from the sounds of things we’d be better off wrapping these guys in bubble wrap and placing a Fragile, handle with care sticker on them.
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You can make an argument that Nick Johnson deserves that treatment. lol
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ROFL, Nick deserves the highest quality wrapping they have, fragile wouldn’t begin to describe him. The fact that he couldn’t stay healthy DHing told me all I needed to about him.
That’s when the chapter on him was closed in my eyes, some guys are what they are.
BryanHoch Posada thought he might come off the DL today. Sounds like he could be ready to DH tomorrow.
Granderson is a much better hitter than Cervelli and should not be batting behind him??.and if you want to think that?s whining, whatever.
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Cervelli vs LHP .400 .488 .486 .974
Granderson vs LHP .235 .257 .353 .610
Joes big book
Granderson is a much better hitter than Cervelli and should not be batting behind him…….and if you want to think that’s whining, whatever.
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Does it really matter? One is 7 and one is 8…. On top of that, Cervelli is hitting .320 and Granderson just got back.
Guess gardy gets his day off today.
Can’t see the Yanks giving up their 2nd best prospect for a guy that’s hitting free agency in a few months…especially when they are fine with the rotation right now..
I think you hold onto Romine as long as you can to push Montero…and because he’s a great prospect in his own right.
How do you know you can get Lee for nothing? There is no guarantee Cliff Lee will sign with the Yankees as a free agent.
There is also the possibility you could sign him for less money in season, because you aren’t in a bidding war with other teams, and that makes it easier to do other things in the off-season.
There are positives and negatives either way.
Its not as clear cut as you think.
Javy Vazquez is going to have to pitch a shut out in order to win with this crummy lineup!!! Sheesh.
Curt, you made my day with your reference to the recently departed Randy Winn.
“Per Peter Gammons, Romine is among the top 5 catching prospects in the game per scouts, etc……..He thinks the Yanks might very well trade Romine for Lee rather than waiting, but I don’t see that; that’s not Cash’s MO – and I would never do that. The point was that Seattle is looking for a big-time C prospe
You beat me to it. Do you live in NY? I get a 2 min delay from wfan.com. He didn’t say the Yankee would trade Romine. He said they could if they wanted.”
Why would the Yankees deal a top catching prospect especially w/ Georgy’s current health and catching abilities diminishing? Also Lee is a FA, if we want him, we buy him in the offseason, no need to get him besides SP is not the problem, 7th and 8th inning which will fix itself b/c D-Rob and Joba will eventually find it and I’m betting DeLaRosa shows up in August.
SJ44
Would it be a waste to have Romine/Montero as your 1 and 2 catchers in the future?
SJ, I’m not desperate for Lee. If we can’t get him, then we can’t get him – I don’t even know that I want him. I didn’t want to trade Phil for Santana and the same principal applies.
Good move by Girardi giving Gardner a day off. You got to keep his legs fresh. I think he is the only yankee that has played every inning since April 27th.
Jerkface, boy – I have to say that’s just asinine. He wants Cervelli to get more at bats than Granderson? Give me a break, lol.
Cara Jerk, IDK if you’ve been watching recently but Curtis is handling LHP very well.
Blake,
I agree. I also think its an interesting situation because of the catching depth in the organization. It gives the Yankees options.
If they believe in Montero, and they have Cervelli as a capable guy, Romine could be expendable. As much for what Murphy and Sanchez bring to the table as anything else.
The only way I see this happening is if through backchannels they believe they can sign Lee to a fair (ie: less than 20 million per year) deal at the time of the trade.
If so, its something to think about.
“Mark, excuse me – I would prefer to give Jeter another day, ok?”
Obviously, you are entitled to your opinion, but bruises, especially muscle bruises, tend to get better with extra exercising. Rest likely wouldn’t be any better for it than playing. Strained muscles, twisted and sprained joints, and bone bruises that affect movement are another matter.
Sure there is no guarantee they get Lee in the offseason, but besides the Sox, who would come up to the table with an offer as high as the yankees can if they want to? Maybe the Angels need him.
Only a few options and Lee seems like the type that would want to win too…
“Jerkface, boy – I have to say that’s just asinine. He wants Cervelli to get more at bats than Granderson? Give me a break, lol.”
Betsy,
One is batting 7th the other 8th, Cervelli isn’t getting more at bats.
Murphy and Sanchez are years away – we have no idea how good they will be. If Cash did this, I would have to use my
a LOT.
The reason Granderson is batting eighth as some have mentioned is because of the lefty starter
Hello have we not been watching the games.
Thames is hitting 12 for 35, .343 vs lefties
Cerveill is hitting 14 for 35, .400 vs lefties
Its that simple. Granderson has hit lefties the past couple of days, and if he continues to he would move up, but it is what it is for now when we face lefties.
If the Yankees are convinced that Montero can play the position, I have no problem with them trading Romine. Montero is one of the best prospects in the entire game, and Cervelli has shown that he can be at the very least, a good backup catcher. Plus, Posada is still under contract for another year. How many catchers does this team need?
So the guy wants Winn in LF. Not a big deal.
I’m still hoping they sign Vladdy over Sheffield.
I don’t see Cashman changing his MO unless he loses a starter for the rest of the season.
I’d rather trade Montero.
Dylan, Romine is hitting and catching and speed…srsly he prbly will end up better than Dreamy Eyes…again Lee is not a need. And he’s just money in the offseason.
‘If they believe in Montero, and they have Cervelli as a capable guy, Romine could be expendable.”
If his bat is good enough for an outfield position, maybe he could spend some time in a corner OF spot and a little 1B, like Elston Howard did when Yogi was still catching.
If not, and his bat is only tolerable because he is a good defensive catcher, then he could be more likely to be expendable.
Granderson is like 3 for his last 3 against lefties. The stats there might show why Girardi went the way he did.
Cervelli is also 4 for 6 with a 3B off Matusz and Granderson is 0 for 3.
These things probably all factored into Joes decision to put Granderson 8th. It might result in, at most, 1 extra PA for Cervelli if the offense really torches the orioles.
YankeesWFAN I’d be surprised if Posada isn’t activated tomorrow. Jorge is actually ticked off he’s not back today. Feels he’s ready.
Is the feeling that Romine by himself would be enough to get Cliff Lee? I might seriously have to think about it if I were the Yankees. They could flip Vazquez to an NL team for a bullpen arm and instantly have the best rotation in baseball.
Mark, ok – that’s fair.
Carl,
To me, I think Romine is the odd guy out IF Montero is an everyday catcher. If he’s not, then you don’t move Romine.
Here’s my reasoning….
Montero and Cervelli can spend 2012-2014 behind the plate. That’s a pretty solid combo and both are very young.
I’ve talked to scouts who believe Gary Sanchez may end up being better than all of them.
I know when I saw Sanchez in EST, I was really impressed. About as talented a catcher for his age I’ve seen in a long time.
JR Murphy is also a talented kid who could be a fast mover.
That’s a lot of catching talent in an organization.
If they could get Lee, (remember, pitching ALWAYS wins), and sign him to a reasonable in season deal, perhaps they spin off Vazquez to the Mets for a second half run. He wouldn’t use his no trade to veto that move and perhaps that’s something that works for both teams.
Just something to think about.
Bond’s and Greg Maddux are house hunting in the NY area!
/Winter of ’92′d
Very surprised Jeter is well enough to play tonight. Shocking!
Cy, is that you? The same one from NYYFans? It’s me, Rocket, lol
I don’t think that’s what Gammons was saying, just that Seattle would want Romine and the Yankees could give him up.
It is strange that, per Neyer, Austin has only thrown out 5/30 baserunners…….nonetheless, I’ve no real desire for Lee and wouldn’t do this at all.
# Brandon’s Awesome (B/c my AWESOMENESS is relieved of Randy Winn’s bat being DFA’d) June 1st, 2010 at 4:53 pm
Dylan, Romine is hitting and catching and speed…srsly he prbly will end up better than Dreamy Eyes…again Lee is not a need. And he’s just money in the offseason.
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I understand that, but IF Montero is the catcher of the future than I wouldn’t mind trading Romine. Isn’t an ace who was great in the playoffs more valuable than a future backup catcher? Again, I am only in favor of trading Romine if the Yankees are convinced that Montero can be successful behind the plate. I would also only make the trade if the Yankees were able to resign Lee during the season. Pettite may retire after this season.
SJ,
If one of the Yankee starters not named Javy Vasquez were to get injured (heaven forbid) then I think that could change everything regarding Lee…what you think? Let’s hope that doesn’t come into the equation.
LOL I definitely have no desire to help the Mets……
crawdaddy June 1st, 2010 at 4:52 pm
I don’t see Cashman changing his MO unless he loses a starter for the rest of the season.
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If vazquez gets lit up again tonight it may be the equivalent of losing a starter for the rest of the season
Fortunately, I think this is all just talk – and perpetrated by Gammons.
Morons are on the loose again.
Come game time and it’ll be the usual circus in the game thread.
It was nice while the peace lasted.
Hey Betsy, it is indeed. I changed my email at NYYFans last night right after I PM’d you and evidently when you do that you’ve got to wait for a mod to manually reactivate your account so I’m sort of in limbo there right now. I can’t post or anything. I heard this blog was pretty good so I figured I’d post here for now. I really like Cliff Lee and I think he’d do well here. Even though we can get him next year I think he’d be a good piece for us this year. I don’t see Romine being our catcher of the future. I think if Montero is even passable behind the plate he’ll catch with Cervelli as his caddy and if not I think Gary Sanchez is a much much better prospect than Romine.
DFA Gardner, not a major leaguer, AAA player maybe, 4th outfielder, pinch runner, doesn’t run, no instincts, below average defense, terrible arm, takes too many pitches, trade him immediately (get something before he fails) and on and on and on
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Why is Gardner not in the lineup?
Only in LoHudville
The Yankees aren’t “helping the Mets” if they get Cliff Lee and trade Vazquez to NY.
Its freeing up a rotation spot for a better pitcher.
You can’t go by SB% when evaluating catchers in the minors because minor league pitchers do a very poor job of holding runners on base.
Most SB’s in the minors are stolen on the pitcher.
I think if the Yankees could make a one for one Romine for Lee deal, (similar to what Cash proposed to the Jays when he offered Halladay for Montero), and sign Lee in season to a new deal, I think you have to do that deal.
You would then have an upper level LH starter to add to the rotation and THREE catchers for the next two years in Posada, Cervelli, and Montero.
Can’t see the downside of that for the Yankees.
Cy, I tried to PM you last night – so that’s what happened.
I think Sanchez and Murphy are years away, so no one can really tell if they are any good. Even as a FA, I’m not a fan of signing Lee – I admit it.
Thanks SJ
The 5:02 post isn’t mine.
Looks like the children imposters are back.
Time for me to go. Enjoy the game folks.
The Mets have no one we’d want and I don’t see the two teams making a deal anyway. Do any teams want Javy? They’d really have to believe that he’s just an NL guy instead of a pitcher with serious flaws.
Doc is a much better pitcher than Lee and I wouldn’t have traded Montero for him; I wouldn’t have traded Phil for Santana and I wouldn’t trade Romine for Lee.
Betsy: “Even as a FA, I’m not a fan of signing Lee – I admit it.”
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Any particular reason why? I’m curious to know your thought process behind this statement.
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Both posts above were mine.
The first about Vazquez pitching a shutout was a joke – to ensure that lots of runs were to be scored.
The second about rather trading Montero is because I think that while if both Romine and Montero become what the Yankees want them to, Montero is the one you’d keep, Romine might be less of a risk.
But really, I shouldn’t have posted that, because I’m just glad I’m not the one making decisions like this. Crystal ball powers would help.
Betsy,
Yeah I’m sorry I didn’t realized it was such a federal case to change your email there lol. If you want I’ll give you my email for now. You’re right those 2 are a very long way away so it’s tough. I just haven’t ever seen anything from Romine that makes me think he could be the guy but I could be wrong. Just out of curiosity what don’t you like about Lee?
See, I responded to the SJ44 imposter because I know that both my posts earlier weren’t Doreen-like, so I thought he thought I was being impostered. Oh, what a tangled web.
**for all the red sox fans that troll in here and pretend to have any baseball knowledge**
Tampa Bay Rays 34 18 .654 –
New York Yankees 31 20 .608 2.5
Toronto Blue Jays 31 22 .585 3.5
Boston Red Sox 29 23 .558 5.0
Baltimore Orioles 15 36 .294 18.5
By way of fer instance on minor league CS%. Tony Sanchez, by all rights a very well regarded defensive catcher (major league ready by some!), is only throwing out 15% of runners in A ball. Most A ball pitchers have no concept of holding on runners, a move, pick offs, etc.
Romine was able to throw out 30% of basestealers in A+ , and is 6 for 26 right now in AA. Not a big deal.
I’m with Betsy on not wanting Lee. He is seeking a CC Sabathia type contract, and I just don’t see him as being the type of pitcher CC is. He is a finesse/control lefty whose major pitches are a change up and a curve ball.
For 3 or 4 years? Sure. For 6-7 years and 18+ ?
No thanks.
Has everyone who comments re: Montero checked his stats for this year? He is only batting .229 in AAA with 3 homers in 157 at bats.
If he is what everyone seems to think he is, then what’s the problem he is having against AAA pitching? Could we have another Joba situation on our hands? A guy who everyone thinks is a sure thing who has some underlying issues that keep him from reaching that potential. It is troubling to me that he showed up for ST overweight and was benched a month or so ago for lack of effort on the field.
Romine shows more maturity and better defense and is currently having a great year in AA. In Cervelli, you’ve got a guy who is proving in practically every game he plays in that he belongs on the team and, on many ML teams, would be good enough to be a starting catcher. I would not be willing to trade either of them (or relegate them to permanent back-up status) until it is crystal clear what Montero’s deal is. Montero is still very young and I don’t think you are going to see him calling games behind the plate for the Yankees for a few more years.
Interesting that the Yanks were so quick to trade Austin Jackson before checking out his full potential. That sits in my mind as a big mistake so far. Granderson is good (though not so good this year yet) but young Jackson looks exceptional.
Someone wants Randy Winn in the line-up? Can we put Cody Ransom in, too?
If he is what everyone seems to think he is, then what?s the problem he is having against AAA pitching?
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He is the youngest player in the league and had a couple of nasty collisions at the plate early on in the season. If he finishes the season lousy, I’d be worried.
Austin Jackson’s last 18 games:
.250 BA, .326 OBP, 325 Slugging, .651 OPS, 0 HR, 5 RBI, 4 BB, 20 K’s.
Not exceptional. Coming down to earth quickly.
Montero is the youngest player in AAA. He will be fine.
Montero is only 20 years old. He is adjusting to the new league. I have a feeling he will start to turn things around shortly. I certainly wouldn’t trade him just because he’s in a slump at AAA
I can’t see a one for one trade, Romine for Lee. The Mariner’s don’t have a ton of leverage on the Lee FA situation at the end of the season, but Lee is one of the best pitchers in the game. Romine is our #2 catching prospect. A bit of a miss match. Could he be part of a package? I wouldn’t be shocked.
Also you have to make this type of trade if the potential is out there. Upgrading Vazquez for Lee is a mind blowing improvement. What number pitcher would you even call him? That would be the best starting rotation in baseball, Sabathia, Burnett, Pettitte, Hughes and then Lee. I can’t even remember a rotation on that type of level.
I can?t even remember a rotation on that type of level.
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You obviously didn’t watch the Red Sox from 2007-present! They have like, 10 aces
no reason to trade Romine for cliff lee.
that is ridiculous.
next!!
I don’t trade anything for Cliff Lee this season unless it’s a marginal prospect package.
He will not forgo free agency if he’s traded to another team and sign long term since he knows the Yankees will be in the bidding after this season and will be leaving money on the table.
If we’re gonna start trading catchers from the system, it’s for a young cost controlled star at a different position. Not for a guy who is 1/2 a season away from being a free agent.
Go get a young OF or starter for one of the young catchers.
The problem with this team right now is the bull pen and the inconsistent hitting of Texeira. Once Tex and Arod get on the same page and Joba figures out where the plate is with some sort of consistency, this team will overtake the Rays in a blink of an eye.
If we can’t win the World Series (or come close to it) with CC, AJ, Andy, Hughes and Javy then I don’t know what to say.
Trading for Lee makes no sense.
Seattle wants a catcher so bad? Offer Montero and other pieces for Felix Hernandez.
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The moron has been yelling, raising his voice and going out of his way to explain or defend himself to callers today. I can just about see he is foaming at the mouth and spitting all over his mic.
SHUT UP!!!
CC made a little kid cry… from joy I hope? And not a bad hair cut..
G Love how was the BBQ??
No desire to sign Lee.
Fill those final 2 roster spots with Joba and Nova id Andy doesn’t come back.
We don’t need another $120 million dollar pitcher who is going to be 33 yrs old in the first yr of his deal
Seems like a lot of people forgot just how dominant Cliff Lee was in the playoffs last year. He was probably the best pitcher in the entire league for the 2nd half of last season. The Yankees couldn’t touch him, and neither could any other team.
Seems like a lot of people forgot just how dominant Cliff Lee was in the playoffs last year. He was probably the best pitcher in the entire league for the 2nd half of last season. The Yankees couldn?t touch him, and neither could any other team.
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he gave up 6 runs to the yankees in his second start. And 4 runs in the NLDS. he did very, very well in the playoffs, but he wasn’t untouchable.
Dylan,
I have not forgotten. That being said, what happened last year was just that; last year.
It would be foolish to give up on a prospect for a pitcher like lee.
Thanks, but no thanks.
Uncle E.,
Thanks for asking. It was great. Although my dog pretty much killed any hardcore bocce game going on. Every time we threw a ball he’d retrieve it, lol.
Cliff Lee also complained about going on short rest.
I remember arguments last year about Cliff Lee before the trade deadline. People question if Cliff Lee is the real deal. Cliff Lee is a monster pitcher folks. Did anyone here even watch the World Series? Or how about his Cy Young? Hello?
I’d take Cliff Lee over Burnett, over Pettitte, over Hughes, and probably over Sabathia.
To anyone who wants Lee this season I have a question;
Out of CC, AJ, Andy and Hughes who are you sitting for a post season game?
And don’t tell me Hughes. He’s been one of the best pitchers in baseball for parts of this season.
You want to put that in the pen again and start Cliff Lee?
I don’t.
Dogs are the bane of backyard Bocce!
did you do the squid?
“Seattle wants a catcher so bad? Offer Montero and other pieces for Felix Hernandez.”
Now that’s a trade I would make.
I?d take Cliff Lee over Burnett, over Pettitte, over Hughes, and probably over Sabathia.
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The year before his cy young he had a 6.29 ERA. His career ERA is 3.94. He doesn’t pitch as many innings as CC. CC has better stuff from the left side. Right now it appears like Lee is probably a 3-3.5 ERA pitcher for 230 innings each year, but he will be 32 next year.
No way I’m taking Cliff Lee over CC. Doesn’t have the same kind of stuff and can’t log the innings CC can.
G. Love,
I have to tell you it would be AJ and I’d do it without batting an eyelid. I like AJ, I have his jersey but he is manic out there and I’d feel much more comfortable and confident with Lee out there.
G. Love, I’d take Lee over any. Easy. Pettitte is aging, he’s great now, but it wouldn’t be impossible for him to fall off towards the end of the season.
Sabathia, Burnett, and Hughes are all less consistent than Lee.
Maybe the little kid was watching a replay of Saturday’s game.
It’s hard to imagine Joba Chamberlain ever being a member of the starting rotation again. Unlike Phil Hughes, he’s not devoted to keeping himself in top pitching condition and the willingness to learn his craft. The difference in the 2 pitchers with maturity is like day and night.
Hughes has learned to gather himself on the mound and Joba has never learned how.
I decided not to go to the game……..can’t deal with the iffyness of the weather and possibly getting caught in thunderstorms.
Here’s why I don’t see a Romine for Lee deal. Frankly put from everything I’ve read Lee is a 1st class d-bag. Why didn’t Philly get a deal done to keep him and doc together? The only reason I can think of is because Lee was going to go for the top dollar and didn’t care about winning it and made those feelings known while he was there. Think about it, for the $ they just payed Howard, 2 years early BTW, they could have had this team plus Lee, it didn’t make any sense to let move him unless there were no other alternatives.
We all know that typically the NYY pay top dollar and get/keep the players they really want. In this case however I can see Lee saying one thing and doing another, he strikes me as that kind of guy, I don’t want him, F him. Even that stupid behind the catch he made in the WS last year bothers me, still.
I get that people would theoretically sit AJ for Lee, but do you have any idea what that would do to AJ?
You’d lose a starting pitcher for the remainder of the contract he has with the team.
He’d hate the Yankees and Girardi for demeaning him like that.
You don’t take your #2-3 starter and do that to him.
I just don’t the sense in trading for Lee when we will most likely be able to sign him next year when there is an actual opening in the rotation.
I don’t think Cliff Lee is the key to us winning another championship. We can win with what we already have.
Gammons on wfan with francessa talking about the phillies struggles & how big of a mistake it was for them to get rid of lee,also said that the yankees are in the best position to trade for lee using romine & others.
He said he does not think the yankees will trade montero.Gammons said he talked to scouts that said romine is one of the top catching prospects in the game.
Francessa then said if the yankees get lee it would be scarry,i agree.
The young catcher that i think is the best in the minors is carlos santanna with the indians.He is going to be absolutely insane.
Cy, he’s not young, he’s making or will make a lot of $$ – I don’t want another big ticket pitcher here who will probably blow up. CC didn’t (he’d better turn it around this year, though
), but something always seems to go wrong. I don’t dislike Lee, but those are my reasons for not wanting to sign him. I wouldn’t trade for him because there’s no way I’m giving up a good prospect for this guy when there’s a chance we could sign him as a FA. We weren’t guaranteed to sign CC……..this is the same situation. Of course Phil was a better pitching prospect than Romine is as a catching prospect, but still.
lol @ Francesa
Agreed they don’t NEED Lee.
# Mike_Boston June 1st, 2010 at 5:38 pm
Here’s why I don’t see a Romine for Lee deal. Frankly put from everything I’ve read Lee is a 1st class d-bag. Why didn’t Philly get a deal done to keep him and doc together? The only reason I can think of is because Lee was going to go for the top dollar and didn’t care about winning it and made those feelings known while he was there. Think about it, for the $ they just payed Howard, 2 years early BTW, they could have had this team plus Lee, it didn’t make any sense to let move him unless there were no other alternatives.
We all know that typically the NYY pay top dollar and get/keep the players they really want. In this case however I can see Lee saying one thing and doing another, he strikes me as that kind of guy, I don’t want him, F him. Even that stupid behind the catch he made in the WS last year bothers me, still.
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So you don’t want Cliff Lee on the team, because he wasn’t about to offer the Phillies a discount when he’s free agency was approaching? After the Phillies failed to win the World Series when he pretty much single handedly won both of their games with two stellar starts?
And you’re pretty much just guessing that he’s a dbag? I see.
Clearly he sucks. So does Johnny Damon. Oh…wait..
I decided not to go to the game??..can?t deal with the iffyness of the weather and possibly getting caught in thunderstorms.
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What happened to your ticket?
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Lee and CC are close though. As well as CC and CC.
GLove, you sit Hughes and it isn’t even a question.
Betsy,
Fair enough. If I didn’t have to watch Javy every 5th day I probably wouldn’t want Lee either. = )
If Lee would agree to an extension then I think you have to trade Romine for him. It seems likely that Lee would talk since he would know failing to deal with the Yankees now may well mean the Yankees’ money would no longer be in the free agent mix. If he wouldn’t, nothing is lost by seeing.
Cliff Lee is one of the best pitchers in baseball.
He’s a better pitcher than A.J. Burnett and has a longer track record of success than Hughes. If you had asked someone before the season whether you would take Lee or Pettitte in the rotation, the answer would have been Lee – easily.
You don’t let Austin Romine stand in the way of acquiring him – given the surplus of catching you have in the minors.
I wouldn’t even theoretically sit AJ for Lee.
AJ Burnett, in spite of all the backlash he gets from being “inconsistent,” has actually been among the game’s most consistent starters since 2005. His ERA’s since then: 3.44, 3.98, 3.75, 4.07, and 4.04. He misses bats more consistently than Lee and has proven he has what it takes to pitch in enormous games here.
Lee has in the last couple years evolved into a pretty overrated pitcher. I need to see at least another year of consistency and durability while pitching in the AL before I label him as one of the game’s top starters. He has a grand total of three really good seasons in the big leagues, and owns a solid but not great 110 ERA + for his career. There is no way I would commit more than 3-4 years and 15 million-ish to him long-term, and some team will be making a tremendous mistake if they go that route this offseason. I am confident it won’t be the Yankees.
Yes, as said, in the best case situation – what do you do with Montero and Romine? If they both live to their potential, you have to go with Montero. All they are right now is potential. It’s a waste of talent to hold onto two young players, especially when one of them projects to be slightly less valuable and whose progress will be blocked.
I’m not saying Cliff Lee is the answer, but how could anyone possibly pass up a major upgrade over Vazquez? This is simple. What can Romine do for us? What can Lee do for us? I’ll be surprised if you suggest that Romine offers more to the Yankees than Lee.
Betsy – Hughes rules (Pleading the Fifth) June 1st, 2010 at 4:41 pm
I wouldn’t do it, period – it makes absolutely no sense to trade Romine or any big prospect when you could get Lee for nothing.
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If I knew Lee would be signed I would make that trade in a heartbeat. The Yankees have multiple catching prospects in the minors plus Cervelli and having Lee in the rotation for the playoffs frees up Hughes for the setup role in the bullpen. A rotation of CC, AJ, Andy, and Lee (in no particular order) plus a deep bullpen pretty much locks in #28 unless there are some major injuries and gives you a huge leg up on #29 next year if Andy continues to pitch at this level.
Betsy,
You can be assured the Yankees don’t make the trade if they can’t sign Lee long term.
Cliff Lee is going somewhere by the deadline. He’s certainly the biggest name most likely to be dealt. If Romine is the cost, you do the deal.
People on here commenting about Lee’s character have no idea what they are talking about. Any documentation as to his alleged bad attitude? Of course not.