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Who stays and who goes?

Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Today in the Journal News on Jun 02, 2010 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

It seems likely Jorge Posada will be activated from the disabled list today. “If he’s healthy without any issues tomorrow, he’s probably a player for us,” Joe Girardi said yesterday.

As the Yankees ease Posada back into the lineup, he’ll probably get his first start at designated hitter. Question is, how many more games will he start at DH? Enough to keep Chad Moeller on the roster for a few more days? If Moeller is designated for assignment and Posada suffers a quick setback, the Yankees would need to add Rene Rivera to fill that veteran backup catcher role, and Rivera doesn’t have nearly Moeller’s experience.

Would you consider optioning either Juan Miranda or Kevin Russo in favor of a third catcher?

Does the status of Mark Teixeira — who hurt his foot during last night’s win — affect that decision?

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319 Responses to “Who stays and who goes?”

  1. xyz June 2nd, 2010 at 11:20 am

    In mind, Chad Moeller was already out before I even got to the question mark in “who goes?”

  2. Matt June 2nd, 2010 at 11:23 am

    Moeller goes.

  3. SomeGuy32 June 2nd, 2010 at 11:24 am

    Remember what happened 2 years ago? Moeller was DFA’ed when the Yanks though Posada and Molina were ok – but then Posada wasn’t ok and went on the DL…. lucky for the Yanks Moeller cleared waivers and came right back.

  4. RayVT June 2nd, 2010 at 11:24 am

    Thanks SJ for another insight to George and your background. GS was a complex guy who made mistakes and usually admitted them as well. As with most powerful individuals, you cheer when they advance our agenda/beliefs and cringe when they misstep or LOL misremember.

    One of the stories about George that I find interesting was that of Dick Howser. How when Howser died George helped out Howser?s wife & family!

  5. Betsy - Hughes rules (Pleading the Fifth) June 2nd, 2010 at 11:27 am

    Why would we have to DFA Moeller? Why can’t we just send him down?

    I would not get rid of Moeller. One, Cervelli could use a break. Two, I think Phil needs a veteran catcher behind the plate and he seemed to work well with Moeller (this assumes Jorge won’t catch tonight or won’t catch often in the next few weeks).

  6. GreenBeret7 June 2nd, 2010 at 11:30 am

    Betsy, Moeller has no options left. NYY would be better off sending Russo or Pena down and keeping Moeller for the time being.

  7. Patrick from CT June 2nd, 2010 at 11:31 am

    Posada should have been sent for a couple of rehab games to get his timing and prove the foot is good for catching. Posada had better be able to catch if Moeller is sent packing.

    My guess is that Russo goes back to AAA with Thames becoming the 4th OF. Miranda will be at 1B today with Posada at DH and Tex on the bench.

  8. Coach6423 June 2nd, 2010 at 11:31 am

    Oh for christ sakes, Phil Hughes will do fine with whoever is catching him. Stop trying to make excuses for him before he even does something bad. Phil is a big boy….

  9. Betsy - Hughes rules (Pleading the Fifth) June 2nd, 2010 at 11:31 am

    GB, thanks! Oh, then in that case I definitely keep him and send Pena down.

  10. Betsy - Hughes rules (Pleading the Fifth) June 2nd, 2010 at 11:33 am

    Oh for Christ’s sake, give ME a break. I don’t know WTH your problem is, but Phil pitching to a veteran catcher is not (or any young pitcher throwing to a veteran catcher) is NOT a new idea. Get off of MY case – and stop being a hypocrite. I have seen SJ, CB and others bring up this same idea and you never yelled at them. Hypocrite.

    The fact that you think I am making excuses for this kid is beyond stupid, but you can think whatever the heck you want.

  11. SJ44 June 2nd, 2010 at 11:34 am

    I don’t think Russo is going anywhere.

    At this point, it looks like either Moeller is DFA’ed or Miranda is sent down.

  12. Betsy - Hughes rules (Pleading the Fifth) June 2nd, 2010 at 11:34 am

    That is if you even think…….

  13. Coach6423 June 2nd, 2010 at 11:35 am

    If only there was an ignore function…

  14. Paco Dooley June 2nd, 2010 at 11:35 am

    Miranda stays since he’s been pretty good and Teix could miss some time, at least in the field. I say they let Moeller go – he’s a replaceable part, or they send down Russo, but hey could probably use the outfield depth.

    But I agree with Patrick from CT – the most likely move is for Russo to head back down…

  15. Betsy - Hughes rules (Pleading the Fifth) June 2nd, 2010 at 11:35 am

    Oh how I wish there was. And you still didn’t acknowledge your hyprocrisy – but isn’t that always the way.

  16. RayVT June 2nd, 2010 at 11:35 am

    I think Pena goes down to AAA today. Probably comes back in the alloted time (15 days) for Moeller then if all is well.

  17. MTU (aka GBURL) June 2nd, 2010 at 11:36 am

    There is an “ignore” function it called skipping posts. ;)

  18. SJ44 June 2nd, 2010 at 11:36 am

    If you send Pena down, you have nobody who can play SS.

    Kevin Russo is not a SS at this level.

    If Jorge is healthy enough to play, it seems silly to carry 3 catchers. Especially since Moeller can’t hit.

  19. Erica in NY June 2nd, 2010 at 11:37 am

    It sounds like Joe Girardi is beginning his ASG prep. I like his answer when asked about Andy Pettitte

    http://bombersbeat.mlblogs.com....._unde.html

  20. Rich in NJ June 2nd, 2010 at 11:38 am

    They really don’t need 12 pitchers.

  21. Angel Berroa June 2nd, 2010 at 11:38 am

    Pena needs to go down for a week or so, he can’t hit at all.

  22. Erin June 2nd, 2010 at 11:39 am

    My guess is they DFA Moeller. I can’t see them carrying three catchers.

  23. Levi June 2nd, 2010 at 11:39 am

    if SJ44 wants to ask Nick in SF out, do so and keep the stuff off the blog.

  24. Jay T June 2nd, 2010 at 11:39 am

    I have to agree with a bunch of posters here. You send Russo down. After a couple of days, Moeller can get the DFA and bring up Golston, if before 10 days. After that, Russo can come back up. You don’t want a repeat of a couple of years ago.

  25. Coach6423 June 2nd, 2010 at 11:40 am

    SJ,

    Didnt you see yesterday, just because Russo has only played 8 games at SS in the pros, i was told because he played 2nd and 3rd so much, he could easily play SS in the AL East. I was given the example that Chone Figgins played very little 3rd until he played it int he pros, as if SS and 3rd are even remotely close…..

  26. Peter June 2nd, 2010 at 11:41 am

    Since they have an open spot on the 40-man, how about adding Robby Hammock who can play all over the field and catch? They could bring him up and demote Russo if they wanted to use Posada as the DH a lot.

  27. Coach6423 June 2nd, 2010 at 11:42 am

    Betsy,

    Even if others have said the same thing, your incessant worrying about anything Yankee, let alone Phil is beyond old. I know you post here alot, and that is cool, but man, for one time, can you post something that doesnt have ominous overtones in it.

  28. Bill June 2nd, 2010 at 11:42 am

    Probably still Moeller. With Cervelli we have a guy that can catch pretty much everyday and in the event Posada got reinjured the dropoff from Moeller to Rene Rivera wouldn’t be huge as Cervelli is going to do the bulk of the work anyway.

    Although with the starting OF all back the team may opt to send Russo down to give him more playing time in AAA.

    With Tex day to day I can’t see Miranda being a serious option.

  29. Betsy - Hughes rules (Pleading the Fifth) June 2nd, 2010 at 11:46 am

    Coach, first of all – I am NOT worrying about Phil. That’s you’re interpretation. I think a young pitcher works better with a veteran catcher – is that something I just dreamed up? Ominous overtones? I’m sorry, that’s ridiculous. As I indicated before, others have said the same thing – but you are getting on my case about it. Why? A good idea from someone else is a bad idea from me?

  30. SAS June 2nd, 2010 at 11:47 am

    Good morning everyone…almost afternoon.

    To me Moeller would be the most obvious player to DFA mostly because he can’t hit. The only reason I would hold off with Moeller is if Posada really isn’t ready to catch and it is the Yankees intention to DH him over the next couple of weeks. Then, I would send Miranda down.

    I like Russo…he could also be the fourth outfielder, and the Yankees could let Thames go who hasn’t caught on with me. Thames is a dreadful outfielder who has and could again cost the Yankees a game. I would take my chances with Russo.

  31. G. Love June 2nd, 2010 at 11:48 am

    At this point you have to DFA Moeller. I’m not sure who would claim him, but you never know.

    If Jorge is tricking the team (possible, but not likely) and gets hurt again quickly you bite the bullet and promote Romine or Montero.

    The organization has catchers in the system who can fill in at this level.

    It’s silly to hamstring the big club just to keep the Chad Moeller’s of the world in the hip pocket.

    If Moeller gets claimed, I’m sure Sal Fasano is somewhere looking for a big league job for a few weeks. Catch and throw guys grow on trees.

  32. Doreen June 2nd, 2010 at 11:48 am

    Hi – I’m out and about, but’

    GTLU is now open for today.

  33. blake June 2nd, 2010 at 11:49 am

    I think Thames should get sent down since he missed the sac Fly sign yesterday…can’t have guys missing those important run producing signs at the big league level.

  34. I Like Inge June 2nd, 2010 at 11:50 am

    Moeller gets the DFA. This one is easy.

  35. Macfan June 2nd, 2010 at 11:50 am

    “# Coach6423 June 2nd, 2010 at 11:31 am

    Oh for christ sakes, Phil Hughes will do fine with whoever is catching him. Stop trying to make excuses for him before he even does something bad. Phil is a big boy….”

    +++++++++++++++

    Exactly, nothing in Phil’s development says he needs to be wet nursed.

  36. Irreverent Discourse June 2nd, 2010 at 11:51 am

    coach – if you can play SS, you can play those other positions, not the other way around.

  37. Irreverent Discourse June 2nd, 2010 at 11:52 am

    I liked it better when the impersonators chased you all away and i didn’t have to skip over 25 posts of betsy defending herself.

  38. MTU (aka GBURL) June 2nd, 2010 at 11:52 am

    Blake-

    I don’t think that option is an option with Thames.

    As long as he doesn’t have to play the OF he is good as a DH against lefties.

  39. Rishi June 2nd, 2010 at 11:54 am

    read in the Post that Miranda was seen leaving the Stadium with a suitcase yesterday – will try to find the article – but that seems to answer the quesiton…

  40. Betsy - Hughes rules (Pleading the Fifth) June 2nd, 2010 at 11:54 am

    Well, who cares what you like? I was on vacation – they didn’t chase me away. Too bad you’ll have to deal with me, oh well – too bad for you.

  41. Macfan June 2nd, 2010 at 11:54 am

    Chad Moeller DFA’d end of discussion.

    Chad Moeller is not the only veteran catcher out there job hunting, tons of them in baseball that are a phone call away.

    Jorge is back, he says he has been healthy and ready to go, running, taking batting practice, etc.

    There is not one drop of reason to keep Chad Moeller around.

  42. SJ44 June 2nd, 2010 at 11:56 am

    Well, “Levi” since I don’t take marching orders from gutless little twerps like yourself who is on your 5th-6th name on the blog, I’ll ignore your request.

    Grow a pair, then we can talk.

  43. Coach6423 June 2nd, 2010 at 11:56 am

    ID,

    I understand that. The point is Russo isnt good at SS, or he would have more than 8 games there.

  44. L Keller June 2nd, 2010 at 11:57 am

    Moeller stays, Russo goes down.
    As soon as Posada shows he can catch, Moeller gets DFA and Russo comes back, (can’t be for 10 days).

  45. Patrick June 2nd, 2010 at 11:57 am

    Lineup:

    Gardner LF
    Granderson CF
    Teixeira 1B
    Rodriguez 3B
    Cano 2B
    Posada DH
    Swisher RF
    Cervelli C
    Pena SS

  46. blake June 2nd, 2010 at 11:57 am

    MTU,
    I think you’re right about not being able to option thames…it was a carryover joke from last night anyway…someone was getting on Girardi for not giving Thames the ” sac fly” sign with a man on 3rd and less than 2 outs….obviously Thames missed the sign ;)

  47. SJ44 June 2nd, 2010 at 11:58 am

    Blake,

    How funny was that last night? lol

    That was one of the funniest posts on here all year because the poster was serious!

    The children in the game threads can be really funny at times. Especially when they are serious in their posts.

  48. Macfan June 2nd, 2010 at 11:59 am

    “# Doreen June 2nd, 2010 at 11:48 am

    Hi – I’m out and about, but’

    GTLU is now open for today.”

    Jeter – SS – R
    Granderson – CF – L
    Tex – 1B – S
    Arod – 3B – R
    Cano – 2B – L
    Posada – DH – S
    Swisher – RF – S
    Cervelli – C – R
    Gardner – LF – L

  49. Westchester Dave June 2nd, 2010 at 11:59 am

    What I think they should do is DFA Gaudin and go with one less pitcher until they are satisfied that Jorge is healthy enough to catch and then bring up as the long guy someone from Scranton (perhaps Nova).

    What I think they will do is option Russo and then when they are satisfied with Jorge’s health, bring up an outfielder (at least until such time as they can bring Russo back).

  50. ac1 June 2nd, 2010 at 11:59 am

    Jeter SS
    Granderson CF
    Tex 1B
    ARod 3B
    Cano 2B
    Posada DH
    Swish RF
    Cervelli C
    Gardner LF

  51. Dallas Braden June 2nd, 2010 at 12:01 pm

    All depends on weather Jorge is ready to catch. I would love to see them cut Moeller loose, but if Po is not 100% ready for catching duties Moeller prob stays on for a week or two and Miranda gets sent down.

    For our sake i hope its moeller that goes. but it will depend on Jorge’s catching availability.

  52. blake June 2nd, 2010 at 12:01 pm

    SJ,
    Yea pretty unbelievable…I guess you really CAN blame the manager for anything.

  53. Erin June 2nd, 2010 at 12:01 pm

    SS Jeter
    CF Granderson
    1B Teixeira
    3B Rodriguez
    2B Cano
    DH Posada
    RF Swisher
    C Cervelli
    LF Gardner

    Thanks!

  54. Erica in NY June 2nd, 2010 at 12:02 pm

    Jeter SS
    Swisher RF
    Tex 1B
    ARod 3B
    Cano 2B
    Posada DH
    Granderson CF
    Cervelli C
    GGBG LF

  55. RayVT June 2nd, 2010 at 12:02 pm

    SS Derek Jeter
    CF Curtis Granderson
    1B Mark Teixeira
    3B Alex Rodriguez
    2B Robinson Cano
    DH Jorge Posada
    RF Nick Swisher
    C Francisco Cervelli
    LF Brett Gardner

  56. teddy gbu June 2nd, 2010 at 12:02 pm

    send miranda down , keep chad until posada can catch

  57. RayVT June 2nd, 2010 at 12:03 pm

    Hello Erin,
    I see my lineup is the same as yours! I hope we both win today! LOL!

  58. jeff nj June 2nd, 2010 at 12:04 pm

    I hate to say because I want to believe in Miranda, but I wonder if he might get passed on the depth chart by Jorge in AA.

    If Tex wasn’t hurt and Russo gets some reps at first, I’d say it has be Miranda, why lose Moeller?

  59. Irreverent Discourse June 2nd, 2010 at 12:05 pm

    I care what I like, Betsy. You are apparently too argumentative to hold a rational conversation with anyone that doesn’t involve kids shows and food.

  60. Erin June 2nd, 2010 at 12:07 pm

    RayVT June 2nd, 2010 at 12:03 pm
    Hello Erin,
    I see my lineup is the same as yours! I hope we both win today! LOL!

    ************************
    Hi Ray!

    Me too :)

  61. Irreverent Discourse June 2nd, 2010 at 12:07 pm

    If posada isn’t ready to come back and fully replace moeller, then he shouldn’t be coming back. the roster shouldn’t be clogged up with extra catchers because his pride to too huge to contain on the DL.

  62. Rishi June 2nd, 2010 at 12:09 pm

    “It’s possible that Juan Miranda will be sent to Scranton/Wilkes-Barre (Triple-A) to make room for Posada if the Yankees decide to keep Moeller. Kevin Russo, because he is the fourth outfielder, appears to be safe. Miranda was seen wheeling a suitcase out of the Yankees’ clubhouse late last night.”

    Read more: http://www.nypost.com/p/sports.....z0piFQe8BY

  63. Fran (the original) June 2nd, 2010 at 12:10 pm

    I am going with the popular choice too.

    Doreen,

    Derek SS
    Curtis CF
    Tex 1B
    Alex 3B
    Robbie 2B
    Jorge DH
    Swisher RF
    Cervelli C
    Gardner LF

    Thanks for hosting :)

  64. Jhn June 2nd, 2010 at 12:10 pm

    If you send Russo down Thames is in LF, please no. Looking At Russo and Pena they cover the same positions, except Russo is playing 1 extra LF.
    This is a hard one Moeller has caught 2 and the Yankees won both, (You can see why Posada wants back fast,) not that he’s going anywhere anytime soon. Posada’s a mainstay.

    Send Joba for awhile so he can be slapped back to reality, and get out of the “they need me mentality.”

  65. Erica in NY June 2nd, 2010 at 12:11 pm

    What is the argument for keeping Miranda?

  66. Patrick June 2nd, 2010 at 12:11 pm

    I doubt they get rid of Moeller until Posada can catch (in a few days). I think Miranda goes down because even if Tex can’t play Swish can play first. You need Russo around as the fourth OF

  67. Dallas Braden June 2nd, 2010 at 12:11 pm

    send Miranda down , keep chad until Posada can catch

    Only problem with sending Miranda down, and i thought of him first too, is if Tex cant go for a few days, who plays 1st? Other than Swish, but then you have to put Russo in right. So it actually might have to be Russo or Pena, if the decide Posada is not ready to catch and keep Moeller on as the 25th man

  68. Coach6423 June 2nd, 2010 at 12:12 pm

    Did you seriously insinuate that the Yankees would be seriously considering keeping Chad Moehler as a catcher over Jorge Posada because the Yankees won the two games that he has played?

  69. JM June 2nd, 2010 at 12:13 pm

    Thames clearly confused his signs and thought Joe was giving the “infield pop-up” sign so he dutifully followed his manager’s direction.

  70. Dallas Braden June 2nd, 2010 at 12:15 pm

    GTLU – Think Tex sits tonight

    SS Jeter
    CF Grandy
    2B Robbie
    3B A-Rod
    DH Jorge
    RF Swish
    1B Miranda
    C Cervelli
    LF Gardy

  71. Erin June 2nd, 2010 at 12:16 pm

    JM June 2nd, 2010 at 12:13 pm
    Thames clearly confused his signs and thought Joe was giving the ?infield pop-up? sign so he dutifully followed his manager?s direction.

    ************************

    :lol:

  72. Jhn June 2nd, 2010 at 12:16 pm

    Miranda is swisher’s back up along with Teireira’s back up. Nick Johson was supposedly Tex’s back up.

    Sending Joba for awhile will wake him up.

  73. 56Bomber June 2nd, 2010 at 12:17 pm

    I think Russo probably goes down for 10 days while the Yankees make sure that Posada is healthy enough to catch. Then they DFA Moeller and bring Russo back.

  74. SAS June 2nd, 2010 at 12:17 pm

    Doreen,

    Jeter SS
    Granderson CF
    Texiera 1B
    Arod 3B
    Cano 2B
    Posada DH
    Swisher RF
    Cervelli C
    Gardner LF

    Thanks a million!

  75. Jacob Ruppert June 2nd, 2010 at 12:19 pm

    SJ

    I think the only fair evaluation of George Steinbrenner is as owner of the Yankees. Most of us have not had the honor (or displeasure depending on your point of view) of ever meeting him. We cannot speak to his character in personal situations nor as a boss. The only way most fans could fairly judge his character without personal biases is to view his charitable works, which although most go unpublished are large and very generous. But as owner of the Yankees, there is no question that he was and is perhaps the most influential owner in professional sports history (including my namesake).

    The only problem George Steinbrenner ever had was wanting to win too much. He only knew one way to run a team and that was at full speed all the time. It came from being brought up in football and having experience as a football coach. He ran all his previous businesses the same way and was successful and surely felt that he could be just as successful doing the same thing with a baseball team. For those that decry his attitude or baseball decision-making, they should realize that those traits go hand-in-hand with the same traits that all Yankee fans should love about him, including his desire to win and his willingness to spend any amount of money to restore and retain the Yankee glory. If every professional sports team had an owner with George’s competitiveness, sports on the whole would be a far more enjoyable experience. But speaking as a Yankee fan, I wouldn’t want to have George Steinbrenner any other way.

  76. Jhn June 2nd, 2010 at 12:20 pm

    Coach
    No if Posada is coming back as DH ,Moeller should stay in case it’s really to soon for Posad to catch. Posada is still the best, if he’s HEALTHY!

  77. S.o.S. June 2nd, 2010 at 12:20 pm

    What is up!!

    I say dfa moeller and sign porn stache.

  78. xyz June 2nd, 2010 at 12:21 pm

    Maybe Miranda is a ventriloquist and he had a gig after the game last night?

    (sorry, I know I really should leave the jokes to Nick in SF.)

  79. Shame Spencer June 2nd, 2010 at 12:21 pm

    Ok Doreen, I’m ready to take another crack at this:

    SS Jeter
    CF Granderson
    1B Tex
    3B Arod
    2B Cano
    DH Posada
    RF Swish
    C Cervelli
    LF Gardy

    Honestly, I’m still toying with the idea that Miranda will get the start at 1B just to give Tex a day to recover. But then I decided I had no idea how the order would shake out so I’m sticking with this.

    Thanks Doreen!

  80. tampayank June 2nd, 2010 at 12:21 pm

    must be rough for guys like Moeller. where do these guys live when they can jump to a team for just 2 weeks than possibly go play across the country? the life of a journeyman

  81. Erin June 2nd, 2010 at 12:24 pm

    xyz June 2nd, 2010 at 12:21 pm
    Maybe Miranda is a ventriloquist and he had a gig after the game last night?

    **********************

    :lol:

  82. S.o.S. June 2nd, 2010 at 12:25 pm

    Did you seriously insinuate that the Yankees would be seriously considering keeping Chad Moehler as a catcher over Jorge Posada because the Yankees won the two games that he has played?
    ===================

    Posada = Rodney Dangerfield in Yankeeland

    Havnt been in here for a little while. Is it just me or are our posts LARGER than they initially were when they made the change?

  83. Joey Vegas June 2nd, 2010 at 12:26 pm

    Any chance when they DFA Moeller that Colin Curtis will get added to the 40-man?

  84. Joe from Long Island June 2nd, 2010 at 12:27 pm

    Just wondering – I wonder if anyone else, among the ML teams, is on the lookout for an experienced catch and throw guy. If so, that might be a reason to hold onto Moeller for the time being. Then, when the other team fills it’s need, DFA Moeller in the hopes of his then clearing and being able to be brought back to Scranton.

    I’m sure there’s a lot that goes on in Cash’s world that we have no idea of.

  85. MTU (aka GBURL) June 2nd, 2010 at 12:27 pm

    ss Jeter
    cf Grandy
    rf Swisher
    3b A-Rod
    2b Cano
    DH Posada
    C Cervelli
    1b Miranda
    lf GGBG

    Thanks

  86. Jhn June 2nd, 2010 at 12:34 pm

    SOS

    No body disrespects Posada. If he’s coming back as the DH instead of the catcher, the Yankees need Moeller as a back up if Cerevelli gets hurt. Remember last year with Posada and Molina?

  87. Joe from Long Island June 2nd, 2010 at 12:37 pm

    Doreen –

    jeter ss
    granderson cf
    tex 1b
    alex 3b
    cano 2b
    posada dh
    swish rf
    cisco c
    brett lf

    phil p

    Man, that line up looks so much longer with Jorge in there.

  88. MG June 2nd, 2010 at 12:39 pm

    I’d rather they keep Moeller for now and use Jorge as the DH about half time, he’s a much better alternative than Miranda. If Cervelli stops hitting then Jorge needs to catch more games but right now it gives the Yankees the strongest team on the field. I didn’t see anything in Miranda that leads me to believe he’s much more than an modest upgrade over Shelly Duncan.

  89. SJ44 June 2nd, 2010 at 12:41 pm

    It does make a difference doesn’t it Joe?

    I’m always amazed at how the addition of one guy like Jorge can make a lineup look so much better.

    Its a testimony to how good this team is that they can be in the position they are currently in after having spent the last month playing with half a lineup.

  90. m June 2nd, 2010 at 12:43 pm

    Hello, Yankee peoples.

    Nice to be riding a small, but semi-significant win streak. Good to have Curtis and Jorge work their way back. Hopefully, Tex is back, too.

    The big question of the day is Tex. If Jorge is DHing, then Tex either plays 1B or sits. Unless Tex feels good enough to hit, but not play defense. Then do they put Jorge at C with Tex DHing and Miranda at 1B?

    Anyway, wanted to pose a question I saw in PTI. Tony & Wilbon were debating if the pitching is better now? Something I noticed as we near the quarter pole. One of them said it could be that there are less juicers. But then the other countered with the fact that there weren’t many no-hitters in 70′s & 80′s.

    Could scouting have something to do with it? Officiating? Younger and more athletic players on defense?

    What do you guys think?

  91. Eli June 2nd, 2010 at 12:45 pm

    Posada is a Jewl in the line up and GREAT BEHIND THE PLATE.

  92. blake June 2nd, 2010 at 12:45 pm

    I move that the Yankees wear steel toed spikes to help out with foul balls off the feet.

  93. Betsy - Hughes rules (Pleading the Fifth) June 2nd, 2010 at 12:48 pm

    I have no idea, M, but I posted an article by Klapisch a few weeks ago and the scouts he talked to think that the reason pitchers’ velocities are down is because pitchers may be “off the juice”.

    Here it is:

    http://www.northjersey.com/spo....._spot.html

    Meanwhile, scouts say Hughes is on the doorstep of greatness ? just look his radar gun readings, which have been sitting at 93-94 mph all year. That?s noteworthy, considering there?s been a general decline in velocity in both leagues. Executives have yet to pinpoint a reason, although one industry official suggested the ban on amphetamines and stimulants has had a corrosive effect not just on hitters? reflexes, but pitchers? arm-strength, as well.

  94. Irreverent Discourse June 2nd, 2010 at 12:50 pm

    I’d bet that being off the juice has affected pitchers more than hitters, a lot of them were using the drugs to keep them on the mound every 5 days. They always talk about how pitchers don’t finish their own games and a lack of steroids could point towards that as well.

  95. S.o.S. June 2nd, 2010 at 12:50 pm

    jhn,
    Id rather keep the other players and take the risk. Moeller cant hit and no stick old catchers are a dime a dozen. Hell, worst comes to worst. We’ll just suit up a player/manager. Im confident Girardi can hold the fort down. Plan B would be to make a call to the booth and have Flarahty grab a glove.

  96. CR9 June 2nd, 2010 at 12:50 pm

    Betsy

    If that’s the case, then Daniel Bard is on some newer untestable drug, because his velocity is still at 99 mph! :lol:

  97. Mr. Jaggers June 2nd, 2010 at 12:51 pm

    If not for the tex toe issue I would say Miranda- now reluctantly I think Russo till PO shows he can catch..Moeller is a pro and knows the drill in the I can’t hit but I can run a game portion of the talent pool but might as well keep him a few days for insurance and get Russo back in ten days.
    I ama constant reader but a rare contributor but I must say the game threads are ludicrous..I realize that “fan” is not short for mature sophisticated observer but still..otherwise the dialogue is quite good…and give Betsy a break- she has a bit of the “woes me ” syndrome but overall she is a thoughtful fan and should be viewed as a valued contributor. Final thought- bringing home a man from third with no outs is not an automatic- there is a substantial fail rate- yet that is the one think that drives this board to drink…

  98. Irreverent Discourse June 2nd, 2010 at 12:51 pm

    also look at the complete disarray in bullpen’s throughout the league. PED use in pitchers was probably changing more of the game than the power hitters.

  99. Patrick from CT June 2nd, 2010 at 12:52 pm

    This GTLU has been tough lately Doreen, but here goes.

    Jeter-SS
    Granderson-CF
    ARod-3B
    Cano-2B
    Posada-DH
    Swish-RF
    Miranda-1B
    Cervelli-C
    Gardner-LF

  100. SJ44 June 2nd, 2010 at 12:52 pm

    I think the pitching in the game has improved so much the past few years, its affecting offense as much, or more, as anything else.

    Look at how many quality starting pitchers there are around baseball these days. More than there were 5 years ago.

    If guys want to take HGH, there is still no test to detect it. Which is why I don’t buy the “testing theory” as to why offense is down.

    I think better pitching, as well as some now emphasizing more defense and speed, has as much to do with it as anything else.

  101. ac1 June 2nd, 2010 at 12:53 pm

    i could normally see joe using this chance to rest tex and heal his foot a bit, however tex said he would be fine, and the yankees do have an off day approaching on Monday. Still 5 days away but i think they can use tex until that day off instead of resting the starters in the coming games.

    Would love for one day to see the A lineup (minus NJ). I think the new A lineup has Granderson 2nd, Swish 7th, Posada the DH and Cervelli 8th and catching. That’s the best lineup we can throw without Johnson IMO.

  102. Bret the Hitman June 2nd, 2010 at 12:53 pm

    The Yankees will protect Posada at all costs because his bat is too important to the lineup and his veteran leadership and presence is essential to the team taking over the division.

    Moeller is insurance for Posada and lets the Yankees DH Jorge more often.

    When Posada proves himself capable of catching regularly again, Moeller will be DFA’d.

    Chances are, nobody claims him.

    If somebody claims him and Posada happens to get injured, Austin Romine time.

    As for who gets send down? What does it matter? Russo, Miranda, Pena? They all stink. I’d send down Russo and make Thames the 4th OF. If Russo can’t outhit Pena (which he can’t) then keep the better glove and the guy who can play SS.

  103. Joe from Long Island June 2nd, 2010 at 12:54 pm

    As a side note, before I finish lunch and get back to work – If Miranda is the one sent down, I wouldn’t be surprised to see him back once his ten days are up and they’re satisfied that Jorge is good to go, and release Moeller.

    I think this is a big year for Miranda, in that the Yanks have to make a decision on him – is he straight organizational filler, or can he be a trade chip? If he’s going to be part of a deal, then showing his stuff on the major league level will increase his value.

  104. NYY626 June 2nd, 2010 at 12:54 pm

    SS Jetes
    CF Granderson
    1B Tex
    3B Alex
    2B Cano
    DH Posada
    RF Swish
    C Cisco
    LF GGBG

    Thanks Doreen!

  105. m June 2nd, 2010 at 12:54 pm

    That’s interesting, Betsy. Sorta levels the playing field. There’s no doubt pitchers have been juicing. You only need look as close as the Yankee system. :mad:

    Phil throws wicked hard cuz he’s still young. :) I do think he could throw harder, but he’s got the right mix of speed and control now.

    Overall, in general each generation of athletes is better, and very few present-day pitchers will be mentioned in the same breath as the greats of the past. But it’s just interesting to see a larger crop of sub-3 ERA’s (with a couple of Yankees!) this far into the season.

  106. Betsy - Hughes rules (Pleading the Fifth) June 2nd, 2010 at 12:55 pm

    I’m looking forward to getting Po behind the plate on a regular basis…….

  107. Rishi June 2nd, 2010 at 12:56 pm

    George (Boston)

    Boston was written off a month ago (clearly prematurely, but they did look terrible), but has worked themselves back into the AL East/WC picture. Which of TB, NYY, and BOS do you now think is playing golf come early October?

    Jerry Crasnick (12:55 PM)

    George, At this point, I think Boston is on the outs. Those injuries to Cameron and Ellsbury continue to linger, and strong defense was such a central core principle for that team. Then again, if you check the standings today, the Red Sox are 30-23. Remember when they were below .500 and it was all gloom and doom in Boston? Even if they don’t make the playoffs, they’re probably going to win 88-90 games.

  108. jessidog June 2nd, 2010 at 12:57 pm

    Question – if someone claims Moeller…does he need to go on the new team’s 25 man roster?

  109. MTU (aka GBURL) June 2nd, 2010 at 12:57 pm

    If you happen to have a need for speed. consider the following 100 MPH club:

    Strasburg
    Jimenez
    Chapman
    Verlander

    Perhaps we should have a contest to see who can throw a baseball thru a wall the quickest.

    Wow. :)

  110. Jhn June 2nd, 2010 at 12:57 pm

    Joba must be taught a lesson, sooner rather than later, send Joba. He can work himself back up.

  111. Betsy - Hughes rules (Pleading the Fifth) June 2nd, 2010 at 12:57 pm

    M, I’m not touching Phil’s velocity, lol. He was throwing a lot harder at the time of the article……..What do you mean he could throw harder, by the way?

    The question for me is: why is the pitching better now? Is it just flukey that there happen to be a boatload of top young pitchers at this point? Why not a few years ago ? A decade ago?

  112. Betsy - Hughes rules (Pleading the Fifth) June 2nd, 2010 at 12:58 pm

    M, what do you mean there’s no doubt pitchers are juicing and that we should look to the Yankees system? Are you accusing Yankee minor leaguers of juicing?

  113. ac1 June 2nd, 2010 at 1:01 pm

    M, what do you mean there’s no doubt pitchers are juicing and that we should look to the Yankees system? Are you accusing Yankee minor leaguers of juicing?

    ___

    Didn’t Sanit just get suspended?

  114. m June 2nd, 2010 at 1:01 pm

    SJ44,

    Good thoughts. You have a couple of super vets (Andy & Moyer), larger group of vets like CC/Halladay/AJ/Santana/Oswalt, and a big group of established young guys like Hernandez/Johnson/Lester. And then the new kids on the block like Jiminez/Hughes/Buccholz.

    There are some really good pitchers out there that will scare the bleep out of opposing fans.

  115. Erica in NY June 2nd, 2010 at 1:01 pm

    NYY626-

    You still out there? I have a funny story from last night’s game for you

  116. CC has to feel badly June 2nd, 2010 at 1:01 pm

    Since CC (cough the Ace) is even ,in wins with the worst pitcher on the team, I’ll bet he can’t wait for Posada’s return behind the plate.

  117. Betsy - Hughes rules (Pleading the Fifth) June 2nd, 2010 at 1:02 pm

    Oh him, that’s right……The Yankees do seem to have more than their fair share of pitchers juicing…

  118. upstate kate June 2nd, 2010 at 1:02 pm

    GTLU- going w/ the popular line up in the hopes that Tex is playing

    SS Jeet
    CF Grandy
    1B Tex
    3B Alex
    2B Robbie
    DH Po!!!!!
    RF Swish
    C Cisco
    LF GGBG

    thanks as always

  119. m June 2nd, 2010 at 1:03 pm

    I’m sure others can give a better answer, but I think if he wanted to he could sit higher. But that’s not who he is. He’s a power/control pitcher.

    As for the Yankees, at least 4 guys suspended in the last 2 seasons. Or something like that.

  120. MTU (aka GBURL) June 2nd, 2010 at 1:03 pm

    m-

    Sorry but you can’t put Hughes and Buckoboy in the same sentence
    with Jimenez.

    Jimenez is in a class by himself right now. :)

  121. Pat M. June 2nd, 2010 at 1:03 pm

    SJ….Great stuff on George…..I had one encounter with him, it was spring training 1973 in Fort Lauderdale….My group was up for bp, and I was the first to hit……As I was walking from the dugout I see him from the corner of my eye….He says to me in a very stern voice, ” Son you want to be a ballplayer, then lose the hair, The NY Yankees are not a rock band…..He had this thing about hair even then……Bobby Murcer and Munson had issues with that edict, but eventually they too cut their hair…..

  122. Unknown June 2nd, 2010 at 1:04 pm

    GTLU

    Jeter SS
    Granderson CF
    Cano 2B
    Alex 3B
    Posada C
    Swisher RF
    Miranda 1B
    Cervelli C
    Gardner LF

  123. No contest! June 2nd, 2010 at 1:04 pm

    m

    CC/Halladay= a Halladay win hands down.

  124. Irreverent Discourse June 2nd, 2010 at 1:05 pm

    Strikeout rates aren’t up, velocities are down, contact rates and BABIP rates are consistant with historical numbers… pitching isn’t “better” it’s just “easier” when bloop singles don’t clear the infield and bouncers to the wall don’t clear the fence.

  125. Unknown June 2nd, 2010 at 1:05 pm

    Sorry Doreen Posada at DH

    Jeter SS
    Graderson CF
    Cano 2B
    Alex 3B
    Posada DH
    Swisher RF
    Miranda 1B
    Cerelli C
    Gardner LF

  126. Erica in NY June 2nd, 2010 at 1:05 pm

    Pat M. June 2nd, 2010 at 1:03 pm
    SJ….Great stuff on George…..I had one encounter with him, it was spring training 1973 in Fort Lauderdale….My group was up for bp, and I was the first to hit……As I was walking from the dugout I see him from the corner of my eye….He says to me in a very stern voice, ” Son you want to be a ballplayer, then lose the hair, The NY Yankees are not a rock band…..He had this thing about hair even then……Bobby Murcer and Munson had issues with that edict, but eventually they too cut their hair…..
    **************

    Did you cut your hair?

  127. Irreverent Discourse June 2nd, 2010 at 1:06 pm

    mtu – is that class labeled “pitching way over their heads” or “pitching way better than their stats indicate”? ubaldo has been very lucky this year. Don’t get me wrong, he’s a great pitcher, but everything has also gone his way.

  128. Betsy - Hughes rules (Pleading the Fifth) June 2nd, 2010 at 1:06 pm

    M, I still have a hard time thinking of a guy who throws 91-92 as a power pitcher. I guess any pitcher could throw harder if they wanted to, but they’d probably be awful as they wouldn’t have any control.

  129. m June 2nd, 2010 at 1:07 pm

    Strikeout rates do seem to be down. Hughes ranks amongst the leaders! So does Weaver. Funky delivery. :?

    But in a day and age where parks are approaching regulation size for little league, the pitching has been pretty good.

  130. Billy D June 2nd, 2010 at 1:07 pm

    “Are you accusing Yankee minor leaguers of juicing?”

    Didn’t one just get busted for same, last week?

  131. SAS June 2nd, 2010 at 1:09 pm

    MTU

    I am embarrassed to say I have not heard of Jimenez. What team does he play for?

  132. MTU (aka GBURL) June 2nd, 2010 at 1:09 pm

    Discourse-

    You must really like to debate because there isn’t anything about Jimenez that is over-rated.

    He is very young, and if he stays healthy the scary thing is that he will only get better.

    You rarely ever see an arm like Ubaldo’s coupled with his poise and secondary stuff.

    He is scary good.

  133. Mr. Jaggers June 2nd, 2010 at 1:09 pm

    If you ever debate what george did to this franchise try this lineup on for size

    Clarke 2b
    Whitaker LF
    Pepitone CF
    Mantle 1b
    Repoz RF
    Cox 3b
    Gibbs c
    Michael ss
    Pitcher
    that’s what you got from CBS………

  134. m June 2nd, 2010 at 1:10 pm

    And the long-haired one was the greatest pitcher of all time last season. Ebbs and flows of pitching.

    Roy Halladay, though, has been pretty constant. One of his greatest attributes, imo, is the length he gives you. Quality length. CG games, 1-2 runs given up. Amazing.

  135. MTU (aka GBURL) June 2nd, 2010 at 1:12 pm

    SAS-

    The Rockies.

    He is a Phenomenon with a capital P.

    See him if you can.

  136. Irreverent Discourse June 2nd, 2010 at 1:14 pm

    MTU – i said he’s a great pitcher, but he’s pitching way beyond his numbers this year, hence everything is falling in his favor. Are you familiar with xFIP? He is literally pitching 2.5 runs better than his peripherals indicate. Check out this article: http://www.fangraphs.com/fanta.....ts-update/

  137. Brandon's Awesome (B/c my AWESOMENESS is relieved of Randy Winn's bat being DFA'd) June 2nd, 2010 at 1:15 pm

    This isn’t hard…you DFA Moeller and bring up Romine or Golson.

  138. Pat M. June 2nd, 2010 at 1:15 pm

    Erica, I had it cut right after practice ended ………George soften the hair issue somewhat when Catfish arrived, but then he was real stern about facial hair…….Blomberg had this curly hair that just exploded from under his cap and that was whet lite George off…..

  139. ac1 June 2nd, 2010 at 1:15 pm

    There is no doubt CC will heat up as the summer rolls on and be great by the end. Hopefully we are in a position to allow him some rest toward the playoff time so he is fresh. His May looked like his April’s usually do.

  140. Patrick from CT June 2nd, 2010 at 1:16 pm

    Has Swish played any 1B this year?
    I don’t like playing 2 guys out of position or 2 poor fielders. If Swish plays 1B them we have Russo or Thames in RF.
    I think Miranda stays because Tex is “day to day”. I think Moeller stays because Georgie is not ready to catch.
    Unfortunately Russo would probably be the odd man out.
    Why did they not have Georgie play a couple of rehab games?

  141. Irreverent Discourse June 2nd, 2010 at 1:16 pm

    He’s pitching to the tune of a 3.5 ERA, but he has a .78

    He’s good, but not Bob Gibson good.

  142. SAS June 2nd, 2010 at 1:17 pm

    MTU,

    Thanks. I’ll keep an eye out for him. Isn’t it considered more difficult to pitch well in Colorado. He’s not on TV too often in NY.

  143. Erica in NY June 2nd, 2010 at 1:17 pm

    Pat M. June 2nd, 2010 at 1:15 pm
    Erica, I had it cut right after practice ended ………George soften the hair issue somewhat when Catfish arrived, but then he was real stern about facial hair…….Blomberg had this curly hair that just exploded from under his cap and that was whet lite George off…..
    ******************

    I had a feeling you’d say that. lol

    I don’t remember much about George’s hair rules. But I do remember a stink in the mid-90s when Don Mattingly’s goatee got too unruly

  144. Damon enjoy 27....think 28 June 2nd, 2010 at 1:18 pm

    m

    I agree about Jiminez what’s bad is the thought of playing for a WS in snow in Colorado yuk!
    I’ve accepted the turtlenecks, and the face warmers hoods, the guys have to wear because Selig’s love of Nov ball, but, I DRAW THE LINE at snowball!!

  145. Irreverent Discourse June 2nd, 2010 at 1:18 pm

    SAS – it used to be but the humidified balls have balanced that out. They have a decent sized park too. He’s just dealing nasty stuff right now, he has a .5 ERA on the road, 1.29 at home.

  146. CR9 June 2nd, 2010 at 1:19 pm

    So one Yankees minor leaguer gets suspended a week ago, and “Yankee minor leaguers juice”!! :lol:

    Who was it? Lou Merloni? Told the story of how Red Sox trainers and doctors instructed Red Sox players the correct way to inject steroids.

  147. MTU (aka GBURL) June 2nd, 2010 at 1:19 pm

    Discourse-

    I am not a numbers type guy. Off course what Ubaldo is doing is extraordinary and off the charts.

    I don’t need any stats to tell me that.

    All I am saying is that he is one of the premier young arms in all of baseball right now.

    Will he come down to Earth a bit ? Probably. If he stays healthy he is destined for greatness.

    Put whatever numbers to that you like.

    His stuff is off the charts, and most hitters are completely overmatched when facing someone like him. ;)

  148. Betsy - Hughes rules (Pleading the Fifth) June 2nd, 2010 at 1:20 pm

    CC will be fine…..and when he gets on a roll, then we won’t have to worry about the pen on those days.

  149. pitchin to contact June 2nd, 2010 at 1:21 pm

    Pitching has changed a bit in philosophy as well. More are pitching to contact to keep efficiency, inducing ground balls instead of working for strike outs helps that quite a bit.

    Remember when Wang was pitching, he averaged 14 pitches per inning. That helps them get deeper in games and less likely to lose a win due to poor bullpen pitching.

  150. MTU (aka GBURL) June 2nd, 2010 at 1:21 pm

    SAS-

    Discourse gave you the answer. :)

  151. Ryan June 2nd, 2010 at 1:21 pm

    Wasn’t Miranda a catcher in the minors? Why not keep him as the 3rd catcher/1B backup/DH. You lose defense, but Moeller should be back in 15 days if he clears waivers, so it’d only be an occasional issue.

  152. SJ44 June 2nd, 2010 at 1:22 pm

    Brandon,

    They aren’t adding Romine to the 40 man Roster to carry a third catcher.

    If they want to do that, they would just keep Moeller.

    Kevin Russo is now the 4th OF on this team. They aren’t calling up Golson. That ship has sailed.

    Its probably Miranda or Moeller, depending on how they feel about Posada and how Tex is feeling today.

  153. SJ44 June 2nd, 2010 at 1:23 pm

    Miranda throws lefthanded. He was never a catcher.

  154. SAS June 2nd, 2010 at 1:24 pm

    Irreverent Discourse,

    From what you said, it is almost 3 times harder to keep a decent ERA in Denver. lol. Those are some awesome numbers.

  155. Jhn June 2nd, 2010 at 1:28 pm

    SAS

    He pitched the 1st perfect game this season, Dallas Braden 2nd, Hallady 3rd

  156. Irreverent Discourse June 2nd, 2010 at 1:30 pm

    MTU – I’ve watched him throw probably 6 or 7 games this year (mlb xtra innings is the best thing ever). My eyes tell me he’s amazing. Of course what he is doing is extraordinary, that’s why I look at the stats to find out why… rather than just assume he’s the next coming of bob gibson. The stats don’t tell me he’s pitching poorly in any respect (and I never said he was), but they do tell me that he is pitching like a guy that should have a 3.5 ERA, not a .7 ERA.

    There are always reasons, I don’t accept face value for anything.

  157. Jhn June 2nd, 2010 at 1:33 pm

    Sj44

    You don’t think it would be a teachable moment for Joba to go down for awhile?

  158. Irreverent Discourse June 2nd, 2010 at 1:33 pm

    jhn – he threw a no hitter, no a perfect game.

  159. MTU (aka GBURL) June 2nd, 2010 at 1:34 pm

    “There are always reasons, I don’t accept face value for anything.”

    That is your perogative. Skepticism is a very healthy trait IMO.

    Sometimes it can even help keep a person alive. ;)

  160. Giuseppe Franco June 2nd, 2010 at 1:35 pm

    I think they keep Moeller until they are sure Posada is 100% and starting 3-4 games a week.

    Bring up Romine? Why would they do that when they already have Moeller on the 40 man roster?

    I wouldn’t be surprised if Miranda is the guy sent down. Swisher played some First Base last year when they needed to give Teixeira a day off so it’s not like they don’t have anyone to spell him in a pinch.

  161. Billy D June 2nd, 2010 at 1:36 pm

    “There are always reasons, I don’t accept face value for anything.”

    Seem to be accepting xFIP at face value. What about “lies, damn lies and statisitics”?

  162. Chris June 2nd, 2010 at 1:37 pm

    We have a lot of deadwood in the bullpen. Why do we need to keep 12 pitchers (and therefore have a short and weak bench), when nos. 11 and 12 (and probably others) aren’t useful? Get rid of Gaudin or Park or send down Robertson. Keep a 14th position player for flexibility and resting the starters.

  163. Giuseppe Franco June 2nd, 2010 at 1:38 pm

    You don’t think it would be a teachable moment for Joba to go down for awhile?

    ——–

    They need to simply get Joba right. They don’t need to “teach him a lesson.”

    What is it with people who want to punish the guy? It’s completely moronic.

    Joba is the most talented guy they’ve got in that pen (Mo notwithstanding). They need to get him right, not punish him because some fans don’t have any patience and want to play dictator.

  164. SJ44 June 2nd, 2010 at 1:38 pm

    They aren’t sending Joba down because they have nobody to cover his innings in the pen.

    They also aren’t going down to 11 pitchers.

    If they didn’t send him down after his meltdown against the Indians, they are sure as heck aren’t sending him down after throwing a clean inning last night.

  165. ac1 June 2nd, 2010 at 1:39 pm

    the only thing joba would learn from going back down is that he would be punished for his bad performances. He just needs to focus. he has the stuff….

  166. Irreverent Discourse June 2nd, 2010 at 1:40 pm

    Billy D – I can accept that you don’t understand what xFIP is at face value. Recorded stats that aren’t fudged to sell something do not lie.

    You can believe that he will sustain .1HR/9innings or a .160 batting average against (which would be the best marks ever by a long shot), or your can believe in what xFIP’s purpose is.

  167. SJ44 June 2nd, 2010 at 1:41 pm

    If the bullpen is the teams weak link, which it is, you aren’t making it stronger by reducing the number of guys in it. All that does it put too much pressure on the starters to go deep into games and that’s not smart.

    They have the second best record in baseball. They are only 2 games out of first and have been playing with half a lineup for month.

    They don’t need to turn the team into a video game. They just need to get Posada back and a few guys right in the pen. You can accomplish that by using them in NY.

    Especially since there are no viable replacements in Scranton at the present time.

  168. Brandon's Awesome (B/c my AWESOMENESS is relieved of Randy Winn's bat being DFA'd) June 2nd, 2010 at 1:43 pm

    “Bring up Romine? Why would they do that when they already have Moeller on the 40 man roster?”

    Maybe b/c he’s way better than Moeller and having an easy ML out is not something we can risk if these days.

  169. Irreverent Discourse June 2nd, 2010 at 1:43 pm

    lol @ mike cameron “in pain” again, where are all those people that wish we had gotten him now?

    … and did the sox hire some of the old mets training staff? whats up with 2 rib injuries attempting to come back and hurting themselves again?

  170. Jerkface June 2nd, 2010 at 1:43 pm

    The yankees minor leaguer got suspended for a phetamine, not a steroid.

  171. Mr. Jaggers June 2nd, 2010 at 1:45 pm

    Besides the core 4 and the manager- who are the Yankees on the current team with more than one ring…

  172. SJ44 June 2nd, 2010 at 1:45 pm

    Brandon,

    Romine would never play here right now and you have no idea if he can hit major league pitching at this time.

    They also have to make a corresponding roster move to place him on the 40 man roster.

    To do that for a third catcher, which is all he would be in NY at the present time, makes no sense.

    That’s why they aren’t going to do it.

  173. Irreverent Discourse June 2nd, 2010 at 1:45 pm

    ubaldo is also stranding 90% of baserunners. add it to the list of unsustainable stats hehe…

  174. Giuseppe Franco June 2nd, 2010 at 1:46 pm

    Maybe b/c he’s way better than Moeller and having an easy ML out is not something we can risk if these days.

    ———-

    But Moeller doesn’t play everyday. He’s their 3rd catcher. He only started 2 games when Posada was out.

    Romine needs to play everyday. He certainly wouldn’t do that in NY.

  175. Coach6423 June 2nd, 2010 at 1:48 pm

    Mr. Jaggers,

    AJ, although he doesn’t acknowledge he won the other.

  176. Mr. Jaggers June 2nd, 2010 at 1:49 pm

    there’s another

  177. MTU (aka GBURL) June 2nd, 2010 at 1:50 pm

    Discourse-

    What’s the point with U-Jim ?

    That his #’s will regress ?

    Not a problem.

    What won’t regress is his stuff, talent, or his trajectory towards greatness.

    Isn’t that really the point ? :)

  178. five iron from fenway June 2nd, 2010 at 1:51 pm

    I just checked the Gameday from last night. Joba was sitting 95-96 with one 98 thrown in for good measure.
    Hopefully Robertson feel better, as he was getting “back” on track before he got hit in the back. Joba seems to have gotten a bunch of velocity back, still a few notches below his peak velocity from a few years ago.
    The team is finally close to being healthy. As mentioned a little while ago, this lineup looks awfully good with Posada back in. Would be nice to play at full (minus NJ) strength for a change. BTW, I think a DH of Thames, Miranda and rotating player taking a half day of is perfectly acceptable for the next couple of months until the trade deadline. I know his BA is not stellar but I think Miranda is a hitter.

  179. Irreverent Discourse June 2nd, 2010 at 1:52 pm

    there’s really no point, i’m just bored and not interested in the posada/mueller conversation.

  180. MTU (aka GBURL) June 2nd, 2010 at 1:53 pm

    Five-

    I agree with you on JM.

    I hope the Yankees give him an extended look before decisions are made on his future with the team.

  181. Jerkface June 2nd, 2010 at 1:53 pm

    What won?t regress is his stuff

    You don’t know that. See Lincecum, Chamberlain, etc.

  182. Billy D June 2nd, 2010 at 1:55 pm

    “You don’t think it would be a teachable moment for Joba to go down for awhile?”

    For some, the moment doesn’t get more teachable than pitching a win away from your team before 47,000 fans. He sure looked like a guy who was a little more focused on his craft last night.

  183. Irreverent Discourse June 2nd, 2010 at 1:55 pm

    jerkface – that’s kinda what i was aiming at… he’s obviously throwing darts right now, but he’s riding a fine line between being totally dominant and being “just another” sub4 era pitcher. If his “stuff” was more sustainable, there wouldn’t be such a huge detachment from his expected stats and his actual stats.

  184. MTU (aka GBURL) June 2nd, 2010 at 1:56 pm

    Jerkface-

    I was of course assuming continued good health.

    Ubaldo has better stuff than both of those guys IMO.

    He is a very rare bird. :)

  185. Flash June 2nd, 2010 at 1:56 pm

    How has Francessa not mentioned Ryan Braun once? He’s probably the best outfielder in baseball. How is Braun not a big star yet?

  186. MTU (aka GBURL) June 2nd, 2010 at 1:58 pm

    Jerkface-

    and by the way, anytime you want to trade U-Jim to the Yankees you just let me know. OK ? ;)

  187. ac1 June 2nd, 2010 at 2:00 pm

    wow. sox lose lf and cf AGAIN and its only a matter of time before drew is on the DL.

  188. Phil Columbus June 2nd, 2010 at 2:01 pm

    Flash
    He may have the best team friendly contract in baseball. 8yrs/45mil that he signed in 08. Talk about a good move on the Brewers part.

  189. austinmac June 2nd, 2010 at 2:01 pm

    Ubaldo Jiminez is absolutely the real thing. No, he will not have a sub 1.00 ERA, but he is dominant. Pitchers who throw a 99 mph moving fastball do strand a lot of baserunners. I don’t think I have ever seen a fastball have the speed and movement combination plus he has a nasty curve and a 89 mph change up. He is Joba of 2007 for nine innings, or better.

  190. MTU (aka GBURL) June 2nd, 2010 at 2:05 pm

    “sox lose lf and cf AGAIN and its only a matter of time before drew is on the DL.”

    So what ?

    We all know the Sox will simply reach down into their extraordinarily deep farm system and bring up another superstar like McDonald, VanEvery, or Reddick.

    piece of cake. ;)

  191. Billy D June 2nd, 2010 at 2:05 pm

    “Billy D – I can accept that you don’t understand what xFIP is at face value. Recorded stats that aren’t fudged to sell something do not lie.

    You can believe that he will sustain .1HR/9innings or a .160 batting average against (which would be the best marks ever by a long shot), or your can believe in what xFIP’s purpose is.”

    Whose purpose? Look, I understand the stat, but I also understand the stat was created by a person or persons to suit their view of things. Nothing wrong with that. The stat has value. My point is it shouldn’t be gospel and that it is more likely that the truth lies somewhere in the middle. In the seven or so times you’ve watched him pitch, what was there that screamed 3.5 ERA to you? Stats are great and I’m close to as big a stat geek as anyone, but you have to let your eyes do some of the talking too.

  192. Jerkface June 2nd, 2010 at 2:05 pm

    For a dude with amazing stuff, Ubaldo doesn’t strike out many guys. I’d still probably trade Joba+montero+whoever else they want for him.

  193. Flash June 2nd, 2010 at 2:06 pm

    It just amazes me how someone calls up and mentions braun and francessa refuses to acknowledge this guy as a superstar outfielder. Calls him one dimensional yet he calls prince fielder a superstar. I’d take Braun over fielder any day.

  194. MTU (aka GBURL) June 2nd, 2010 at 2:07 pm

    Jerkface-

    yeah. NS. Really ? you would ? :)

  195. Irreverent Discourse June 2nd, 2010 at 2:10 pm

    Billy D – I never said it was gospel, it’s a tool. You use tools to increase your understanding of situations. You let your eyes do all the talking, which means your opinion is baseless. I’m not ignoring the fact that he is pitching well, you are ignoring the fact that he can’t continue to pitch this well. You can’t discern that in either direction by just watching the game.

    What screams 3.5 ERA to me? Nothing. Nothing screams .7 ERA to me either.

  196. Irreverent Discourse June 2nd, 2010 at 2:11 pm

    flash – it amazes me that people quote and talk about fatcessa like he has ANY sort of insight into sports…

  197. Doreen - GTLU Stuff & Photos June 2nd, 2010 at 2:12 pm

    The following people have submitted lineups for today’s GTLU. If you submitted a lineup and do not see your name, please let me know. Thanks. :)

    mick
    Patrick
    Macfan
    ac1
    Erin
    Erica
    RayVT
    Fran (the original)
    Dallas Braden
    SAS
    Shame Spencer
    MTU
    Joe from Long Island
    Patrick from CT
    NYY626
    upstate kate
    Unknown

  198. Billy D June 2nd, 2010 at 2:15 pm

    “you are ignoring the fact that he can’t continue to pitch this well.”

    Yeah, I guess that’s what I meant when I said “the truth lies somewhere in middle”.

  199. Brandon's Awesome (B/c my AWESOMENESS is relieved of Randy Winn's bat being DFA'd) June 2nd, 2010 at 2:15 pm

    We have an Ubaldo Jimenez, his name is Dellin Betances and the other one is Andrew Backman…it’s funny when I spoke about Ubaldo last yr. the blog was all he’s wild, he’s this, now you see what happens when you give them a shot. He didn’t always throw 99 he got to that point this season b/c he learned how to pitch.

  200. Chip June 2nd, 2010 at 2:17 pm

    If it were my call I would send down either Ramiro Pena or a pitcher until the status of Tex’s foot is clear. Russo can cover the IF as well as OF.

  201. SJ44 June 2nd, 2010 at 2:18 pm

    Andrew Brackman and Dellin Betances aren’t anything like Ubaldo.

    Right now, neither guy can even get out of lower A Ball.

    You gotta temper the hype on these prospects. 99% of them don’t pan out.

    Right now, Brackman and Betances fall into that catagory.

    The Yankees have nobody in their organization that throws like Ubaldo.

    That’s not a problem since only the Nationals with Strasburg has anybody that throws like Ubaldo.

  202. Jerkface June 2nd, 2010 at 2:19 pm

    The thing with Russo at SS is that you don’t need him to be good at short, you just need him not to be a detriment to the team at short.

  203. LGY June 2nd, 2010 at 2:19 pm

    “What screams 3.5 ERA to me? Nothing. Nothing screams .7 ERA to me either.”

    ——————————————-

    You just said a few posts up that he is pitching to a 3.5 ERA. If nothing screams 3.5 ERA how did you make that statement?

    Pitchers have special seasons. Especially those with tools like Ubaldo. Not everything always reverts to league average or career average. Especially when it comes to a young pitcher who has greatly improved as a pitcher and is beginning to harness his amazing stuff.

    Predicting future performance based on statistics is tricky business as it is. It seems like a pretty irresponsible use of statistics for an amateur to do so especially when considering the margin for error involved in the stats you are using.

  204. Irreverent Discourse June 2nd, 2010 at 2:22 pm

    LGY – the 3.5 mark comes from the xFIP measurement, which measures only events in a game that the pitchers can control. It’s not something I just made up to make an argument. :)

  205. SJ44 June 2nd, 2010 at 2:23 pm

    Since Russo hasn’t taken groundballs at short at any time since he was called up, he is a detriment at SS.

    He’s never worked with Cano. He also didn’t take groundballs at short when he was put in the OF at Scranton.

    Right now, he’s the 4th OF on the team. I don’t think the Yankees see him as a backup SS candidate or they would have had him at least take groundballs in his time in NY.

  206. Jerkface June 2nd, 2010 at 2:26 pm

    Russo already has 2 games this year at SS in AAA. You’re assuming he will be a detriment, but it remains to be seen.

  207. AL Duque June 2nd, 2010 at 2:27 pm

    Jeter
    Granderson CF
    Rodriguez 3B
    Cano 2B
    Posada DH
    Swisher RF
    Miranda 1B
    Cervelli C
    Gardner LF

  208. LGY June 2nd, 2010 at 2:28 pm

    I know exactly what xFIP is.

    It does not tell the whole story nor is it the end all be all like any other statistic.

    You are using a single statistic to discount how Ubaldo has pitched this year and other posters opinions of his season to date. You also used this single statistic to conclude he is pitching to a 3.5 ERA.

    Seems like a pretty irresponsible use of that statistic to me.

  209. Bret the Hitman June 2nd, 2010 at 2:29 pm

    It’s a shame Jesus Montero lost trade value this year. It’s looking like he’ll need to be in AAA for 2011. How will he and Romine split time in AAA next year? Will they DH Jesus Montero and further deplete his trade value as a catcher?

  210. Betsy - Hughes rules (Pleading the Fifth) June 2nd, 2010 at 2:30 pm

    LGY, that’s exactly why I had problems with those articles stating that Phil was lucky and would revert to career averages. Career averages with young pitchers don’t mean a whole lot since they don’t take into account the growth curve of the young pitchers, nevermind extenuating circumstances that led to career averages. I can see the skepticism if a pitcher is, say in his early 30′s and all of a sudden has a great hot streak. He’s got a lot of career to look back on that says who he really is, so in that case you’d expect him to revert to career norms.

  211. BLinVA June 2nd, 2010 at 2:30 pm

    GTLU

    Jeter – SS
    Granderson – CF
    Cano -2B
    A-Rod -3B
    Posada – DH
    Swisher -RF
    Miranda – 1B
    Cervelli – C
    Gardner – LF

    (I am guessing that Girardi is going to be careful with Tex. and his foot)

  212. Irreverent Discourse June 2nd, 2010 at 2:31 pm

    LGY – it seems pretty irresponsible for you to jump into the middle of this conversation, overlooking everything else i’ve said.

    .160 BAA, 90% strand rate, .1HR/9 How many more unsustainable numbers do I need to give you? He’s having an incredible season, but it shouldn’t be this good. That is the only point being made here.

  213. Billy D June 2nd, 2010 at 2:31 pm

    “Seems like a pretty irresponsible use of that statistic to me.”

    In fairness, ID did say he uses it as a tool and agreed it’s not to be taken as gospel.

  214. Irreverent Discourse June 2nd, 2010 at 2:31 pm

    Betsy – no one is looking at career averages.

  215. SJ44 June 2nd, 2010 at 2:33 pm

    2 games at SS means nothing.

    The guy hasn’t taken a groundball at SS since he has been in NY. he barely took them in Scranton and didn’t take any when he was moved to the OF. How is that not a detriment?

    He has never worked around the bag with Cano, has no idea how to play hitters, and hasn’t seen a groundball at short.

    You don’t take someone like that and put him at SS in the majors. Not if you are a team looking to win games.

    He’s a detriment at SS. That’s why the Yankees aren’t giving him any time at the position.

  216. Betsy - Hughes rules (Pleading the Fifth) June 2nd, 2010 at 2:34 pm

    ID, I wasn’t necessarily referring to your discussion on Jimenez. I just find that these articles that try to chalk things up to luck or that a pitcher is going to automatically regress based on numbers that can be manipulated are not articles I can take seriously. One reason I don’t like BABIP is that people assume that a pitcher is lucky if he has a low figure; maybe it’s just because hitters can’t get good wood on the ball.

  217. Billy D June 2nd, 2010 at 2:35 pm

    “.160 BAA, 90% strand rate, .1HR/9 How many more unsustainable numbers do I need to give you? He’s having an incredible season, but it shouldn’t be this good. That is the only point being made here.”

    And it’s a 100% valid point. I was merely disagreeing with your initial statement when you said, without equivocation, that he’s pitching to the tune of a 3.5 ERA.

  218. five iron from fenway June 2nd, 2010 at 2:36 pm

    SJ – Talking about shortstops what is your opinion of E. Nunez. He has been absolutely on fire with the bat since the middle of last year. I know his defense is inconsistent but he can make plays and has a gun for an arm. I haven’t seen him play any other positions in AAA so I guess the Yankees seem to want to get him as many reps as possible at short. This is different then the philosophy with guys like Russo, Pena, Corona who have played all around the infield and even some outfield.

  219. jpb1973 June 2nd, 2010 at 2:37 pm

    It’s a shame Jesus Montero lost trade value this year. It’s looking like he’ll need to be in AAA for 2011. How will he and Romine split time in AAA next year? Will they DH Jesus Montero and further deplete his trade value as a catcher?

    ————————————————————————————————————–

    Brett, Jesus is only TWENTY YEARS OLD. Its too early to paint him into a corner or downgrade his trade potential. Lets wait until after he’s an old man at 22 years old before we downgrade him.

  220. SJ44 June 2nd, 2010 at 2:39 pm

    I like Nunez. I think he is a legitimate SS prospect.

    I liked him when I saw him in the spring and he hasn’t disappointed at AAA so far this year.

    He’s a very interesting kid because he can hit and is athletic enough to be a good defensive SS.

    He’s also young enough to keep for another year in AAA and gauge how Jeter is at SS after next season.

  221. MTU (aka GBURL) June 2nd, 2010 at 2:39 pm

    Great discussion of U-Jim.

    And I’ll settle it.

    Anybody who wants to trade him to me.

    I’ll tell you what, it wont be easy, but I’ll swallow hard and I’ll take him.

    In return you can have anyone in my minor league system.

    Not only that you can have any three or four guys in my system.

    I’ll even give you Chamberlain, Romine, McAllister, and Heathcott for him.

    Just let me know when you’re ready to deal.

    I’ll be waiting. ;)

  222. Billy D June 2nd, 2010 at 2:39 pm

    “The guy hasn’t taken a groundball at SS since he has been in NY. he barely took them in Scranton and didn’t take any when he was moved to the OF. How is that not a detriment?”

    I don’t know that it can be proved he’s a detriment without him actually playing, but I do think it’s safe to say Girardi isn’t interested in finding out. He’s going to go with something closer to the sure thing 10 times out of 10.

  223. SJ44 June 2nd, 2010 at 2:40 pm

    You don’t lose trade value after two months of a baseball season.

    He’s the youngest player in AAA. Its good that he is struggling. It will make him a better player in the end.

    Its best to evaluate his progress at the end of the season. Doing it earlier is fools gold, IMO.

  224. Jerkface June 2nd, 2010 at 2:41 pm

    The guy hasn’t taken a groundball at SS since he has been in NY. he barely took them in Scranton and didn’t take any when he was moved to the OF. How is that not a detriment?

    He has never worked around the bag with Cano, has no idea how to play hitters, and hasn’t seen a groundball at short.

    You don’t take someone like that and put him at SS in the majors. Not if you are a team looking to win games.

    He’s a detriment at SS. That’s why the Yankees aren’t giving him any time at the position.

    Unless you’re referring to actual in game ground balls at short, you don’t know that he hasn’t taken some infield around the diamond. And you don’t know if he is a detriment because you haven’t tried him.

    The point isn’t to turn Russo into an every day short stop, its to see if you have a guy that can handle short stop once a month so Pena can get jettison’d for something more useful.

    And yes, you really don’t know if he is going to truly be a detriment until you let him try to play there. If Ty Wiggington can play SS in the majors, Kevin Russo can.

  225. LGY June 2nd, 2010 at 2:42 pm

    I was responding to the 3.5 ERA comment as well as the others saying other posters opinion are not right or baseless.

    You are also assuming that he has been getting “lucky.”

    You are assuming all those statistics are solely luck statistics and therefore making you conclusion based on this assumption which may not be true.

    Ubaldo could have those very low peripheral statistics because of how he is pitching and not because of luck. If those numbers rise, it does not necessarily mean his luck has run out as you are implying.

    Phil Hughes had “unsustainable” statistics as well a few starts ago. Those numbers have risen a bit now. Has his luck run out or has he simply been pitching worse?

    If you have watched the way Phil Hughes pitched through his first 6 starts or Ubaldo so far, there seems to be real and significant reasons why those peripheral statistics would be so good.

    In the case of these 2 young pitchers, observing them would actually seem to be quite useful.

  226. Jerkface June 2nd, 2010 at 2:42 pm

    And 2 games at SS means SOMETHING, it means that the Yankees can and have played him at short stop for various reasons. I’d say 0 games has more to say about a guy than some games. For example, I don’t think they’ll be playing Romine at short.

  227. Irreverent Discourse June 2nd, 2010 at 2:43 pm

    Betsy – I agree, and certain things can be looked at a few different ways. I try not to look at regression to their career averages for exactly the reasons you’ve stated. I put more stake in regressing to league averages. 1600 players every year putting their stats into the pool makes for a very average player, and anyone outperforming those numbers in either direction is due for a correction. BABIP is a tough one, but can still be generalized by pitcher types (sinker, power, fly, finesse) so come up with a number that the average pitcher should fall around. It’s those outliers that statheads (myself included) are generally looking for to explain whats going on. It’s not all about deny deny deny.

  228. I Like Inge June 2nd, 2010 at 2:45 pm

    Pena is useful. He has a part-time player’s bat but a starting player’s glove. The defense is what makes him valuable.

  229. Jerkface June 2nd, 2010 at 2:47 pm

    Pena is useful. He has a part-time player’s bat but a starting player’s glove. The defense is what makes him valuable.

    Lots of guys can play defense in the majors. Having 0 bat really kills most of his value, especially because Pena isn’t very exceptional with the glove.

  230. Irreverent Discourse June 2nd, 2010 at 2:47 pm

    LGY – i’ve watched more ubald starts than rockies fans, so the powers of observation are moot. I think what you consider “luck” is causing part of the disconnect here. it’s not that he’s been purely “lucky” as in found a pot of gold at the end of the rainbow. it’s that he’s outperforming extremely established metrics that CAN be used to determine if things are going a pitchers way, or if they are a “hard luck loser” i believe the term is.

    So it’s not actually “luck” per se, but more of “outperforming” even modest expectations.

  231. SJ44 June 2nd, 2010 at 2:49 pm

    They moved him out of the infield and moved him to the OF.

    Ramiro Pena has played two games in RF. Do you think the Yankees see him as an OF?

    Two games means nothing.

    If they saw him as a SS, they would have played him there when he was returned to Scranton.

    They moved him to the OF because they see him as the 4th OF, and a guy who could occasionally play third in a pinch.

    If he hasn’t even taken one groundball at shortstop, what makes you think the Yankees are now going to make him the backup SS?

    I’m not referring to game action. I’m talking about infield and BP.

    He hasn’t been taking GB’s at SS since he was recalled. Not once.

  232. mick June 2nd, 2010 at 2:50 pm

    Does anyone remember the name of the backup catcher we had in ST from the Braves and where is he?

  233. I Like Inge June 2nd, 2010 at 2:51 pm

    I see your point Jerkface but I guess I like Pena’s defense. I think he is very good with the glove. I feel totally comfortable with Pena when Jeter’s out or A-Rod or Robbie. To me the team does not lose anything defensively when Pena plays.

    Don’t get me wrong, Russo is a solid player. I hope both continue to play roles off the bench.

  234. Jerkface June 2nd, 2010 at 2:53 pm

    If he hasn’t even taken one groundball at shortstop, what makes you think the Yankees are now going to make him the backup SS?

    I’m not referring to game action. I’m talking about infield and BP.

    He hasn’t been taking GB’s at SS since he was recalled. Not once.

    That is a pretty big determination to make. Where is your evidence that one of our backup infielders has not seen any ground balls during practice ? And you are wrong about Russo. He played 3B as well as OF when he went back to scranton. Please, continue to pretend to be an authority on things you don’t know.

    As for Ramiro Pena , the yankees probably do not see him as a starting outfielder, but he is obviously a candidate to backup OF in a pinch, given they started him at games in the OF in the minors and the majors this year.

  235. LGY June 2nd, 2010 at 2:53 pm

    ID,

    I mostly agree with your more recent posts. I don’t think anyone thinks Ubaldo can sustain this amazing pace.

    I just took exception to the conclusive statements you were making earlier in the thread. Especially with MTU who has been on point with Ubaldo before the bandwagon started to form.

  236. Patrick from CT June 2nd, 2010 at 2:53 pm

    Pena’s glove is outstanding and his bat from the left side is not all that bad.
    If it’s between him and Russo, Pena stays.
    Here’s to hoping Posada is ready to catch if need be because having Moeller taking up space for an emergency is not great for flexability.

  237. m June 2nd, 2010 at 2:54 pm

    ID,

    If you go to espn stats on pitchers, in one of the tabs (Sabermatrics?) There’s a hard luck loss and cheap win category.

  238. Jerkface June 2nd, 2010 at 2:54 pm

    I see your point Jerkface but I guess I like Pena’s defense. I think he is very good with the glove. I feel totally comfortable with Pena when Jeter’s out or A-Rod or Robbie. To me the team does not lose anything defensively when Pena plays.

    I don’t think the team loses anything when Pena is in, but that says more about who he is replacing than Pena himself. His defensive metrics are largely negative. I haven’t seen any particularly awesome rangey plays from him in his time here, but I am comfortable with him in the field at whatever position.

    But I’d always prefer he NOT play because his bat is a complete 0.

  239. m June 2nd, 2010 at 2:55 pm

    http://espn.go.com/mlb/stats/p.....rder/false

  240. Jerkface June 2nd, 2010 at 2:56 pm

    Pena’s glove is outstanding and his bat from the left side is not all that bad.


    Minor league career
    LHB: 0.256 0.324 0.319 0.643
    RHB: 0.264 0.303 0.337 0.640

    2010 LHB: .257 .270 .286 .556

    He is pretty much in line with his minors.

  241. Billy D June 2nd, 2010 at 2:57 pm

    Even if slightly contentious, it is nice to see actual baseball discussion carrying the day today.

  242. m June 2nd, 2010 at 2:57 pm

    Wainwright’s had 4 Tough Losses. Oswalt’s had 6! No wonder he wants out. ;)

  243. austinmac June 2nd, 2010 at 2:57 pm

    Jeter-SS
    Granderson-CF
    Swisher-RF
    AROD-3B
    Cano-2B
    Posada-DH
    Miranda-1B
    Cervelli-C
    Gardner-LF

  244. Irreverent Discourse June 2nd, 2010 at 2:58 pm

    that site has a DIP%, the difference between the ERA and the defense independant era, much like the era-xFIP stuff i was looking at (i like FIP better than DIPS).

  245. Patrick June 2nd, 2010 at 2:58 pm

    He hasn’t been taking GB’s at SS since he was recalled. Not once.

    How do you know?

  246. Irreverent Discourse June 2nd, 2010 at 2:59 pm

    patrick – we hear about every time cervelli takes grounders at third, i don’t think russo would be much different :)

  247. SJ44 June 2nd, 2010 at 2:59 pm

    I asked guys on the team I know when this subject came up Patrick.

    I’ve also seen that he hasn’t taken GB’s at short in the game I attended that he has been on the roster.

  248. Erica in NY June 2nd, 2010 at 2:59 pm

    Irreverent Discourse June 2nd, 2010 at 2:58 pm
    that site has a DIP%, the difference between the ERA and the defense independant era, much like the era-xFIP stuff i was looking at (i like FIP better than DIPS).
    ******************

    My FIP is better than your DIPS

  249. Jerkface June 2nd, 2010 at 3:00 pm

    I asked guys on the team I know when this subject came up Patrick.

    Who? Why would this come up? What did you ask? “They got Russo taking any groundballs at short?”

  250. CT23 June 2nd, 2010 at 3:01 pm

    Jeter SS
    Swisher RF
    Teixiera 1B
    Rodriguez 3B
    Cano 2B
    Posada DH
    Granderson CF
    Cervelli C
    Gardner LF

  251. Irreverent Discourse June 2nd, 2010 at 3:01 pm

    lol @ erica – is that french onion? mines southwest ranch ;)

  252. Irreverent Discourse June 2nd, 2010 at 3:02 pm

    lunch time, i’ll leave you guys alone for a little while :p

  253. Betsy - Hughes rules (Pleading the Fifth) June 2nd, 2010 at 3:02 pm

    LGY, I know that was a rhetorical question, but in Phil’s case, he’s pitched worse- he was not lucky in those other starts and I think anyone that had watched the games would have seen that. These ABC stats just don’t give enough credit to the pitchers.

    Irreverent, but then if you expect pitchers to revert to the league average, then doesn’t that mean you don’t expect any pitchers to be really good? Or, if the pitcher does it often enough, does the “regression to league average” theory go out the window because the pitcher has proven he’s better than league average? If that’s the case, then all young pitchers are under the gun so to speak until they do it often enough to show they aren’t average pitchers.

  254. SJ44 June 2nd, 2010 at 3:02 pm

    He hasn’t played SS Jerkface. That’s my point.

    Its not a question of being an authority. In this instance, you are wrong. They don’t see him as a SS. If they did, he would be taking groundballs there in the event they would need him at short. If he’s not doing so, it doesn’t take a rocket scientist to realize the Yankees have no interest in playing him at SS.

    Do you really think the Yankees are going to put a guy in to play SS, even as a backup, when he hasn’t played the position at all except for two games and hasn’t had any work at the position? It makes no sense.

    That’s why Pena is on the roster.

  255. G. Love June 2nd, 2010 at 3:04 pm

    Can’t believe I just read comments from Red Sox fans on MLB Trade Rumors who think they can trade Mike Lowell for Cliff Lee or Bobby Jenks.

  256. Patrick June 2nd, 2010 at 3:05 pm

    SJ44,

    You are dodging the real questions here. How can we come to the same conclusions you have if we don’t have the same information as you? Or if we don’t trust that your “information” is 100% true?

    If the yanks were willing to let Thames play the outfield why wouldn’t they be willing to let Russo play SS two or three games a month? He plays a decent second, why can’t he play a passable SS once in a blue moon?

  257. SJ44 June 2nd, 2010 at 3:06 pm

    Arod and Posada Jerkface. That’s who I asked.

    One guy I’ve known since he was 16 and the other guy shares the same agent as my nephew and has been a great help to him in his pro career.

    We talk about things on the team all the time and yes, the subject did come up because its been a topic on here.

    So, sorry, he’s not taking GB’s at short. If he was, your theory would have more legs.

  258. Billy D June 2nd, 2010 at 3:07 pm

    “Can’t believe I just read comments from Red Sox fans on MLB Trade Rumors who think they can trade Mike Lowell for Cliff Lee or Bobby Jenks”

    Have seen some stuff indicating that Seattle has some interest Lowell. Probably true. They are getting zip from their corners/DH’s. But they ain’t THAT interested.

  259. mick June 2nd, 2010 at 3:07 pm

    # mick June 2nd, 2010 at 2:50 pm

    Does anyone remember the name of the backup catcher we had in ST from the Braves and where is he?
    ++++++++++++++++++++++
    Was it Mike Rivera? Is he hurt?

  260. Jerkface June 2nd, 2010 at 3:08 pm

    He hasn’t played SS Jerkface. That’s my point.

    Its not a question of being an authority. In this instance, you are wrong. They don’t see him as a SS. If they did, he would be taking groundballs there in the event they would need him at short. If he’s not doing so, it doesn’t take a rocket scientist to realize the Yankees have no interest in playing him at SS.

    Do you really think the Yankees are going to put a guy in to play SS, even as a backup, when he hasn’t played the position at all except for two games and hasn’t had any work at the position? It makes no sense.

    That’s why Pena is on the roster.

    It seems like your stance on this argument is just wanting to be right that Russo will never play short. My argument is purely that the yankees would benefit from playing Russo at short to see what they have because backing up short for 1 or 2 games a month is valuable if you can replace Pena with something more useful.

    So far your contention is that he hasn’t played SS. Well he has. In 2009 and 2010, after not playing there in any year prior so its obvious the yankees are grooming him to backup all the infield positions. I am still unconvinced of him not taking ground balls at SS, and until you can prove sufficiently otherwise I will ignore that.

    I’m not sure why you’re going so hard at what is merely an idea to make the yankees more versatile and a better team.

    Its really quite interesting, your need to establish yourself as the arbiter of what can and cannot happen on the yankees.

  261. Doreen - GTLU Stuff & Photos June 2nd, 2010 at 3:09 pm

    Today’s Guess The Lineup Is Now Closed.

    I have the following people submitting lineups. Please check to see if your name is there; if not, let me know. Thanks everyone for playing. :)

    mick
    Patrick
    Macfan
    ac1
    Erin
    Erica
    RayVT
    Fran (the original)
    Dallas Braden
    SAS
    Shame Spencer
    MTU
    Joe from Long Island
    Patrick from CT
    NYY626
    upstate kate
    Unknown
    Al Duque
    BLinVA
    austinmac
    CT23

  262. SJ44 June 2nd, 2010 at 3:10 pm

    Patrick,

    Marcus Thames has been an OF his entire career. A bad defensive OF but, an OF just the same.

    He takes flyballs everyday at the position.

    Kevin Russo has played TWO games at SS his entire career. He hasn’t taken GB’s at SS since he’s been back in NY.

    He’s currently the 4th OF on the team. The two aren’t analagous at all because Russo is seeing zero practice time at short and Thames has been an OF his entire career.

    Wouldn’t you think if they wanted him to be the backup SS he would be taking GB’s?

    Playing second base is a completely different position than playing SS. He isn’t even playing second base in NY and he has experience playing that position.

    The guy hasn’t played the position. They aren’t working him into playing the position.

    That being the case, its pretty tough to conclude they are going to have him become the backup SS.

  263. mick June 2nd, 2010 at 3:10 pm

    Its really quite interesting, your need to establish yourself as the arbiter of what can and cannot happen on the yankees.
    ===============================
    Why can’t you give the guy the benefit of the doubt.
    Maybe he does know what he is talking about.
    Is that impossible?

  264. Patrick June 2nd, 2010 at 3:11 pm

    SJ44,

    What you’re saying is probably true but you have to see how it’s hard for some of us to accept what you say as 100% fact. I mean this is a public blog, anyone can claim anything they want.

  265. Jerkface June 2nd, 2010 at 3:11 pm

    Marco Scutaro is another major league SS who barely played SS in the minors. He was a 2B, who did not play more than 10 games at SS in a season until AAA.

  266. Jerkface June 2nd, 2010 at 3:12 pm

    Russo has played 8 games at SS his entire career, which makes me think you are just pulling out facts that people have stated and then using them because you did not know.

    “jerkface said he played 2 games this year… ok good, I’m gonna get him now.”

  267. Rick June 2nd, 2010 at 3:13 pm

    It’s between Moeller and Miranda. Cashman has 8 weeks to find a RH bat to replace Thames.

  268. SJ44 June 2nd, 2010 at 3:13 pm

    It doesn’t matter to me what you think about the info Jerkface.

    The fact is, he’s the 4th OF on the team and they aren’t working him into games at SS.

    Two games isn’t “working him into” anything.

    They have had chances since he’s been here to play short and have gone to Pena in those situations.

    Not everybody can play SS and perhaps after his two games at short they aren’t comfortable he can play the position effectively enough at the ML level to be used in that spot.

    Given how he is being used, that seems to be the case.

  269. Patrick from CT June 2nd, 2010 at 3:14 pm

    We need something new to talk about…

  270. Patrick June 2nd, 2010 at 3:14 pm

    Marcus Thames has been an OF his entire career. A bad defensive OF but, an OF just the same.

    He takes flyballs everyday at the position.

    Kevin Russo has played TWO games at SS his entire career. He hasn’t taken GB’s at SS since he’s been back in NY.

    He’s currently the 4th OF on the team. The two aren’t analagous at all because Russo is seeing zero practice time at short and Thames has been an OF his entire career.

    Wouldn’t you think if they wanted him to be the backup SS he would be taking GB’s?

    Playing second base is a completely different position than playing SS. He isn’t even playing second base in NY and he has experience playing that position.

    The guy hasn’t played the position. They aren’t working him into playing the position.

    That being the case, its pretty tough to conclude they are going to have him become the backup SS.

    I’ve bolded things that you claim to be true but with nothing backing it up but your word.

    So you see why our conclusions might differ from yours. And just to be clear, if a guy is a full-time 2B it’s not really a stretch for him to play SS a game or two a month. Yes they are different positions but not so different that a decent 2B can’t handle SS once in awhile.

  271. Jerkface June 2nd, 2010 at 3:15 pm

    Playing second base is a completely different position than playing SS. He isn’t even playing second base in NY and he has experience playing that position.

    That would be because Cano is so young and awesome that he doesn’t really get days off. And Russo has played about 7 innings worth of 3b and 2b this year. It just so happens that the need was for an outfielder because Winn was so bad and Pena is worse than Russo in the outfield and at the plate.

  272. LGY June 2nd, 2010 at 3:15 pm

    Betsy,

    lol about the rhetorical question. I am a fan of the numbers even though I have become much less enamored with them recently, but in general at least IMO is not really the numbers that bother me when players are discredited.

    It is much more the conclusions and assumptions made using them.

    Are you excited for Hughes Night? I am tempted to scoop up some tickets on stubhub for tonight, but I have a much better view of homeplate from my couch :)

  273. Jerkface June 2nd, 2010 at 3:17 pm

    The last time Ramiro Pena played short, Russo wasn’t even on the roster.

  274. austinmac June 2nd, 2010 at 3:17 pm

    Erica-The guys on the board regularly talk about your FIP, but never your DIPS. I hope you don’t take offense.

  275. SJ44 June 2nd, 2010 at 3:17 pm

    Getting snarky doesn’t advance your point. It detracts from it.

    If the Yankees saw him as a useful contributor at SS, why haven’t they given him more time at the position?

    They moved him to the OF because they saw that move as a way to get him onto the big league roster.

    They didn’t see him as a replacement for Ramiro Pena.

    I’m not saying Pena is the be all, end all on the roster.

    However, the Yankees don’t see Russo as being a good enough SS to replace Pena on the roster.

    If they did, that move could have been made already since Pena has options.

  276. Jerkface June 2nd, 2010 at 3:18 pm

    This would be an interesting thing for Chad to ask Girardi. Ask him if Russo is really just a 4th OFer at the moment, or if they plan to work him in around the diamond some more.

    Its of relevant interest to the fan base (all 3 of us)

  277. Bad Scooter June 2nd, 2010 at 3:19 pm

    Oh Sure. Now people want a guy who has hardly played SS to learn how to play SS and do it while playing for the Yankees? Are you serious? I mean, come on. Send him down to Scranton and have him play there awhile and get back with me.

  278. LGY June 2nd, 2010 at 3:20 pm

    Isn’t it quite possible that the Yankees just aren’t as sold on Russo’s bat as some on here?

    Even if he could be an adequate SS once in a while, does his bat definitely outweigh his defense at the position?

    Are we even sure yet that Russo will outhit Pena at the major league level?

    Maybe Pena is just more valuable than Russo at SS, offense and defense included?

  279. MaineYankee June 2nd, 2010 at 3:20 pm

    Patrick

    In HS I played 2nd. I could play SS and get to the ball but had no arm for the deep throw. So you could say I could play SS but to what level of sucess.

  280. MaineYankee June 2nd, 2010 at 3:20 pm

    Patrick

    In HS I played 2nd. I could play SS and get to the ball but had no arm for the deep throw. So you could say I could play SS but to what level of sucess.

  281. Damon enjoy 27....think 28 June 2nd, 2010 at 3:20 pm

    Philly vs Braves, bot of the 8th tied 1-1, Contreas comes in walks the first batter, Melky hits a sacfly to advance the runner to 2nd, gets the next 2 out, walks a lefty on purpose, and he gives up a run bwahahah. 2-1 Braves Manuel immediately removes him from the game!

  282. Jerkface June 2nd, 2010 at 3:21 pm

    They moved him to the OF because they saw that move as a way to get him onto the big league roster.

    Exactly, but moving him to the outfield doesn’t mean they no longer see him as an option on the diamond. And he didn’t take 100% reps in the outfield in scranton when he returned. He also played 3B and 2B in that time as well. He got OF work in AA in 2008 also.

    The point is that, while right now it seems more likely that the yankees would use Pena at SS, Russo has played there in 2009 in 2010 (obviously not for no reason, being that he is now a utility player on the Yankees MLB squad) and it would be beneficial for the yankees to play him there.

    Playing him at SS with Hughes or Vazquez on the mound would be good choices because of their flyball tendencies.

  283. CountryClub June 2nd, 2010 at 3:22 pm

    Cash’s quote to Chad was that they wanted Russo to be a super utility player in the mode of Jerry Hairston. He may very well be their 4th OFer for this yr, but his days in the IF are far from over.

  284. Erica in NY June 2nd, 2010 at 3:22 pm

    austinmac June 2nd, 2010 at 3:17 pm
    Erica-The guys on the board regularly talk about your FIP, but never your DIPS. I hope you don’t take offense.
    **************

    LOL. None taken

  285. MaineYankee June 2nd, 2010 at 3:23 pm

    sorry for the dbl post.

  286. Bad Scooter June 2nd, 2010 at 3:23 pm

    It’s a little different playing a guy in the OF in New York who has played the OF his whole ML career (Thames) and playing a guy at SS in New York who has hardly played the position in his professional carrer (Russo). If you can’t see the difference I don’t know what to tell you. Apples and Oranges.

  287. Jerkface June 2nd, 2010 at 3:23 pm

    Isn’t it quite possible that the Yankees just aren’t as sold on Russo’s bat as some on here?

    Even if he could be an adequate SS once in a while, does his bat definitely outweigh his defense at the position?

    Are we even sure yet that Russo will outhit Pena at the major league level?

    Maybe Pena is just more valuable than Russo at SS, offense and defense included?

    You can’t know until you try! And in half the ABs russo has more doubles and 2 less RBIs than Pena. And his minor league track record >>>>>> far outweighs Penas.

  288. austinmac June 2nd, 2010 at 3:23 pm

    I think Russo will be the one to go if Posada can’t back up as catcher for the next few days. If he can then Moeller will go. Miranda will stay as he is needed as the LH DH.

    Russo is a decent back up. Nothing in his minor league career calls for him to be a major league regular.

    I checked out Colin Curtis’ minor league stats the other day since he is now back playing. He better be a good center fielder because he has very little power. He too projects as a back up at most.

  289. Billy D June 2nd, 2010 at 3:24 pm

    “The last time Ramiro Pena played short, Russo wasn’t even on the roster.”

    That they keep Pena around for situations, like Jeter being injured the other day, would seem to speak at least a little to the Yankees intent as it relates to Russo as a SS, wouldn’t it?

  290. SJ44 June 2nd, 2010 at 3:24 pm

    He’s not getting any time at SS. How can you play SS at the major league level and not have any practice time put into the position? That’s my point.

    Playing a couple of minor league games at SS over a 2-3 year period doesn’t make you a SS, even for a game or two, at the major league level.

    If the Yankees felt as you do, he would be getting PT either during infield and BP or at Scranton at SS.

    Since that isn’t happening, its reasonable to conclude they don’t see him as a major league SS candidate, even as a backup player.

  291. CountryClub June 2nd, 2010 at 3:25 pm

    I have no idea what Russo’s ceiling will be with the bat, but it is far superior to Pena’s. Pena does all he can to not get the bat knocked out of his hands. Russo isnt a HR hitter, but he is a gap hitter. That’s more than enough for a utility type player.

  292. Shame Spencer June 2nd, 2010 at 3:25 pm

    Just an outsiders observation of this conversation, I think most of the desire to keep Russo is pretty understandable. The guy (IMO) has outshone Pena and should be playing instead. I don’t think its crazy that people here think he could back up Jeter for a few innings every now and then.

    That being said, I also understand what SJ is trying to point out here which is that the guy not only lacks experience (in the bigs and minors).

    Personally, I don’t really care that the kid hasn’t had much time at SS, I’d still rather have him out there than Pena. He’s an infielder by nature at least and while SS might not be his forte, what we need is a utility guy for both the infield and outfield. Not that I don’t like Pena, but I’ve never been particularly enamored by him. Utility men with a good glove and not-so-great bat seem to be a dime a dozen. Clearly, this isnt a make-or-break move no matter what.

    What am I saying here? I, like some of you, would prefer that they sent Pena down but knowing the Yanks it will be Russo.

  293. Damon enjoy 27....think 28 June 2nd, 2010 at 3:26 pm

    Phillies Braves you’re missing a good last inning do or die game for Philly. top of the 9th.

  294. Damon enjoy 27....think 28 June 2nd, 2010 at 3:26 pm

    Phillies Braves you’re missing a good last inning do or die game for Philly. top of the 9th.

  295. Jerkface June 2nd, 2010 at 3:26 pm

    That they keep Pena around for situations, like Jeter being injured the other day, would seem to speak at least a little to the Yankees intent as it relates to Russo as a SS, wouldn’t it?

    I don’t think its as cut and dried as that. Pena earned his playing time by being valuable last year. Russo is trying to break in.

  296. Patrick June 2nd, 2010 at 3:27 pm

    MaineYankee,

    If you have the arm for third you have the arm for SS. Russo has played third so I think he could probably handle SS once in awhile.

    “Since that isn’t happening, its reasonable to conclude they don’t see him as a major league SS candidate, even as a backup player.”

    Once again, it is NOT reasonable for us to conclude that because we have no proof that “that isn’t happening”.

    At this point I think you’re just ignoring our logic and trying to browbeat us with your point of view. It’s pretty frustrating…

  297. Brandon's Awesome (B/c my AWESOMENESS is relieved of Randy Winn's bat being DFA'd) June 2nd, 2010 at 3:27 pm

    Mira CaraJerk, Russo is a 4th OF, and anyone that you speak to in SWB will tell you he is not a good infielder, that’s why he’s at 2B, they tried him at SS and figured Nunez is better, b/c had he’d been better, Nunez would be a 2B…they put him at 3B and he was raw there, he’s like Eric Hinske in the infield.

    Russo in the OF is a surprise, b/c they gave him OF time just recently. And honestly Randy Winn wasn’t cutting it. His bat is good, him in the infield you do not want to see, let alone at SS.

  298. Jerkface June 2nd, 2010 at 3:29 pm

    Russo has 0 Errors at short in his minor league career :)

  299. Shame Spencer June 2nd, 2010 at 3:30 pm

    “…..he’s like Eric Hinske in the infield. ”

    Thats enough to change my mind.

  300. Jerkface June 2nd, 2010 at 3:31 pm

    If a guy like Ty Wiggington can play around the major league diamond. Kevin Russo can. If Marco Scutaro, a career 2b, and be converted to a major league starting SS, Russo can be a backup SS.

    He isn’t replacing Jeter.

  301. MaineYankee June 2nd, 2010 at 3:32 pm

    Patrick

    I’m not sure how I’ve tried to brow beat you with one comment.

    Also the argument to play Russo at SS hasn’t been backed up with much else than “it’s worth a try.”

  302. Patrick June 2nd, 2010 at 3:32 pm

    Maine I was responding to SJ44, you’ll notice I copied his quote after I responded to you

  303. Jerkface June 2nd, 2010 at 3:33 pm

    Also the argument to play Russo at SS hasn’t been backed up with much else than “it’s worth a try.”

    The yankees have started to give him reps there starting last year and continuing this year. The yankees obviously feel its worth a try. They are grooming him to be a utility player since he will never play 2b or 3b for the yankees.

  304. Doreen - GTLU Stuff & Photos June 2nd, 2010 at 3:34 pm

    I admit I haven’t been following the conversation all that closely. But is the issue that people want to keep Russo’s bat over Pena’s glove when someone has to be sent down when Posada returns?

    In my mind, Russo has only looked okay in the outfield as it is; he has limited time at short, to say the least. At some point, with utility players, you are really not looking at offense – offense is icing on the cake. Since Thames hits for power, he’s the 4th OF, even if he’s less than stellar out there. Pena’s got to be the utility infielder because he can play 3rd, 2nd and SS. At least for now. At least until they feel comfortable letting Moeller go.

    If they want Russo’s bat, then they really need to have him work some more games at SS, if he’s sent down, and also, if he’s not sent down, he needs to do infield work at SS. At least work DPs with Cano.

    Now, aside from SJ44 saying he hasn’t done that, we really don’t know what Russo’s been doing in that regard. I agree that it’s a great question for Chad/Sam to ask.

    Right now, I know I would not feel comfortable if they brought Russo in as a replacement for Jeter. I think they need to keep Pena on the roster.

  305. Rishi June 2nd, 2010 at 3:34 pm

    good lord – i’d rather a conversation about what the Yankee women are doing for Rwanda than this Russo over and over again…

    http://www.lohud.com/article/2.....01/6020325

  306. MTU (aka GBURL) June 2nd, 2010 at 3:34 pm

    I hope we see version 2.0 of Hughes tonite. :)

  307. Rishi June 2nd, 2010 at 3:35 pm

    Further, I thought Miranda was going down for Posada

  308. Betsy - Hughes rules (Pleading the Fifth) June 2nd, 2010 at 3:35 pm

    LGY, the couch is one of my favorite places in the world, lol..

  309. Damon enjoy 27....think 28 June 2nd, 2010 at 3:35 pm

    Contreras cost the Phillies another loss 2-1 Braves

  310. Roger(The Dutch Yankees Fan) June 2nd, 2010 at 3:36 pm

    Just to end this discussion,it would be pretty cool if Russo would start at SS today…

  311. Rishi June 2nd, 2010 at 3:36 pm

    :arrow: Posada in the lineup

  312. Doreen - GTLU Stuff & Photos June 2nd, 2010 at 3:36 pm

    And defense is important.

  313. Brandon's Awesome (B/c my AWESOMENESS is relieved of Randy Winn's bat being DFA'd) June 2nd, 2010 at 3:36 pm

    “If a guy like Ty Wiggington can play around the major league diamond. Kevin Russo can. If Marco Scutaro, a career 2b, and be converted to a major league starting SS, Russo can be a backup SS.”

    With 16 total balls hit at him in his 250 – prbly 290 gms. total in minor league ball you srsly …man I can not even express how dumb that is, and I bet Scutaro had his ups and downs on sucky teams before he saw SS. There’s a reason the Mets traded him, Jeff Keppinger is another one, and that’s literally what I see Russo prbly becoming.

  314. LGY June 2nd, 2010 at 3:37 pm

    The Face,

    I don’t think the Yankees are making the decision on Russo without trying.

    Even if we have not seen them try playing him at SS, I would assume they know his defensive abilities through practice/internal scouting in the minors.

    And that you don’t know until you try line. Don’t try that on me with the serial killer stuff ;)

  315. David in Cal June 2nd, 2010 at 3:37 pm

    Jeter SS
    Granderson CF
    Tex 1B
    ARod 3B
    Cano 2B
    Posada DH
    Swish RF
    Cervelli C
    Gardner LF

  316. pat June 2nd, 2010 at 3:37 pm

    BryanHoch Yankees lineup: Jeter 6 Swisher 9 Teixeira 3 ARod 5 Cano 4 Posada 0 Granderson 8 Cervelli 2 Gardner 7 Hughes 1

  317. MaineYankee June 2nd, 2010 at 3:38 pm

    Roger(The Dutch Yankees Fan) June 2nd, 2010 at 3:36 pm
    Just to end this discussion,it would be pretty cool if Russo would start at SS today?

    ————————————————————————-

    Funny guy. :lol:

  318. SJ44 June 2nd, 2010 at 3:40 pm

    What “logic” are you injecting here Patrick?

    The Yankees have shown no indication they want a guy who has barely played SS in his entire career, and they just moved to LF to be the 4th OF on the team, to be the backup SS.

    I’m not the one being illogical here.

    They have had opportunities to play the guy at short if they chose to. Especially in blowout games.

    They haven’t done that. What does that tell you?

  319. Rishi June 2nd, 2010 at 3:41 pm

    new post (with even more discussion on who gets dropped for Posada…fun times :( )

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