What’s he going to do today?
Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Today in the Journal News on Jun 03, 2010 
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Robinson Cano said he can’t remember being on this kind of roll. Last night he had three hits including his 12th home run in a Yankees win against the Orioles. Phil Hughes was outstanding on the mound, Nick Swisher had a big night of his own and this afternoon the Yankees will go for the sweep.
Jorge Posada is back in the lineup, but it might be a while before he gets back behind the plate. The notebook also has items on Mark Teixeira, CC Sabathia and Alfredo Aceves.
I hope Cano keeps it up and have a MVP type season.
Many great things about last night…………
Crawdaddy June 3rd, 2010 at 8:32 am
I hope Cano keeps it up and have a MVP type season.
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Yes.
Today’s Guess The Line Up is Open for Business.
But I have to ask, is there really any challenge today?????
Don Denkinger is calling for instant replay:
http://www.nypost.com/p/sports.....wWgprxxHkK
and now that Griffey Jr has retired, Robbie can add nicest smile to his list of accomplishments
upstate kate June 3rd, 2010 at 8:36 am
and now that Griffey Jr has retired, Robbie can add nicest smile to his list of accomplishments
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Robbie has always had the nicest smile in my book.
Repost:
We all know what happened to AG is a Travesty.
Plain and simple so I’ll leave it at that.
It should be made right but it probably wont be.
I have no problem with anyone making an honest mistake and be big enough to admit they were wrong.
The thing I now have a problem with is the inflexibility of a System to be able to rectify a grievous error that has caused great harm.
That is a real shame. A damn shame.
Rules were meant to be broken, and exceptions to be made to promote Justice.
we all know Selig has Wisconsin Cheddar for a brain so don’t expect any character from him.
Wow, if you look at the two stat lines of Hughes and Pettitte, besides the hits and strikeouts in Hughes favor, they are eerily similar
http://espn.go.com/mlb/stats/p.....asontype/2
It’s funny one represents the old Yankees and the other the new Yankees. Hope they both keep it up all year!
The Ninja within Cano is now loose and roaming the baseball diamond
full time.
Phil is on a mission, and we fans are in on the ride. I actually look forward to gis and Andy’s day to pitch. It’s a nice ride to be on with Phil.
Great game last night for many reasons! Whenever Hughes got in a jam he seemd to revert back to 2009′s EIG (Eighth Inning Guy), reach back for something extra and shut down the O’s. I especially liked it when he blew a 95 MPH by Jones for the 3rd out.
Cano is simply awesome! Swisher for the ASG!!
Oh. And I forgot to say with respect to Ninja Cano that assasinations of opposing pitchers will henceforth be commonplace.
MTU (aka GBURL) June 3rd, 2010 at 8:42 am
The Ninja within Cano is now loose and roaming the baseball diamond
full time.
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I miss the ninja look. And I hate cold weather-but I won’t dread it as much this fall if Robbie the Ninja returns.
Erin-
If you hate cold weather what the heck are you doing living in Chicago ?
I hope Cano makes the All Sta Game roster! Who knew separating him and Melky, would allow him to blossom?
GTLU:
SS Jeet
RF Swish
1B Tex
3B Alex
2B Robbie
DH Jorge
CF Curtis
C Cisco
LF GGBG
thanks Doreen!
# mick June 3rd, 2010 at 8:46 am
As to Joyce, as I said last night, he was genuinely contrite and I am not going to kill him about it anymore. Firing him? IMO, that’s a total overreaction. The real problem isn’t Jim Joyce (though it was last night); the problem is that MLB refuses to acknowlege that we are in the 21st century. There is NO reason at all not to do everything possible to institue instant replay – if for nothing else, for the integrity of the game. Doing so would not reflect poorly on the umpires (who are only human); it would just reflect the desire to have game results be as fair as possible. The media is not going to let this go and teams have had it up to HERE with umpires. Now as Mike and Mike just said, this is a different situation from those where umps are trying to be part of the game; Joyce just missed the call. That said, Joe West let the genie out of the bottle and he can’t be put back in. Teams are not going to sit by quietly anymore when umpires try to take over; those comments were a firestarter.
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Betsy, the question I have is this:
Is the reason they are against replay, one of them eventually losing their jobs to it?
Is Selig reflecting their view of this?
# mick June 3rd, 2010 at 8:49 am
Is it also one of them losing their “importance” in the game?
Too many overturned calls could lead to firings or lower pay in general as their “importance” to the game declines.
MTU — I hate the heat and live in Florida. Stuff happens.
Baseball should go to a replay challenge system where a manager can challenge two plays a game. No more, no extras and no arguing calls in the middle of the field and acting like a jackass.
No replay on ball/strikes calls or check swing calls…. but everything else is fair game.
Doreen
Can you give me some of what Upstate Kate has, GTLU, that is , except switch Moeller for Cisco at C. ? Thanks!
MTU (aka GBURL) June 3rd, 2010 at 8:47 am
Erin-
If you hate cold weather what the heck are you doing living in Chicago ?
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That’s a very good question. Wish I had an answer for you.
SS Jeter
RF Swisher
1B Teixeira
3B Rodriguez
2B Cano
DH Posada
CF Granderson
C Moeller
LF Gardner
Thanks!
ss jeter
cf grandy
1b tex
3b a-rod
2b Ninja cano
dh posada
rf swisher
c cervelli
lf ggbg
Thanks.
“I’m not for it on the bases. Umps are right on plays at first base 99%+ of the time”
Are you serious? C.B. Bucknor missed 2 calls on Friday night between the Yankees and Indians. First base balls get missed much more than 1% of the time.
mick -
Will do, but are we that tired this morning???
Mick
why would the umps lose their jobs due to replay? that hasn’t happened in football has it? If anything, there could be extra umps to monitor the replays.
The vast majority of umps just quietly do their jobs, it is just the bad calls or self-important umps like Joe west that we hear about.
Erin-
You need to move out here to the SW where it is sunny, warm, and dry most of the time.
We’d be glad to have you.
Better question is whether CC Sabathia will continue his utter dominance against last place teams.
He seems to really shine against them
See – Mets and Indians
Wow – they’re talking about the play on Regis & Kelly this am.
Showing the replay now. (BTW, I don’t watch R&K, but my daughter loves it!)
It was great to see our lineup not have the holes it has had. I also think we are seeing what Granderson can bring to the team. While I still don’t think he will ever be a good hitter against lefties (and folks just because he gets some hits does not mean he is good…even Winn got some hits) he is a monster against righties for a guy who plays very good defense.
The lineup we had yesterday is one that could win a world series.
Pressure should be brought to bear on Selig from all quarters.
Perhaps if the heat is turned up that cheddarhead he will melt and AG will be given his just due.
86w183 June 3rd, 2010 at 8:57 am
MTU ? I hate the heat and live in Florida. Stuff happens.
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Want to switch places???
Yanks are getting hot and healthy. Yes, against bad teams, but teams don’t get penalized or awarded points based on who they play. Phil was great…….his numbers are remarkable for a 23 year old in the AL East.
As to Joyce, as I said last night, he was genuinely contrite and I am not going to kill him about it anymore. Firing him? IMO, that’s a total overreaction. The real problem isn’t Jim Joyce (though it was last night); the problem is that MLB refuses to acknowlege that we are in the 21st century. There is NO reason at all not to do everything possible to institue instant replay – if for nothing else, for the integrity of the game. Doing so would not reflect poorly on the umpires (who are only human); it would just reflect the desire to have game results be as fair as possible. The media is not going to let this go and teams have had it up to HERE with umpires. Now as Mike and Mike just said, this is a different situation from those where umps are trying to be part of the game; Joyce just missed the call. That said, Joe West let the genie out of the bottle and he can’t be put back in. Teams are not going to sit by quietly anymore when umpires try to take over; those comments were a firestarter.
Really there are two issues: 1) the need for instant replay and 1) the need for Selig to get these umpires under control.
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Where do they draw the line when it comes to going back to revising history? This isn’t the first no hitter, nor the first perfect game lost because of a bad call by an umpire or an official scorer. Do they go back to September of 1072 and give Milt Pappas his perfect game instead of a pedestrian no hitter. Pappas had a perfect game for 8.2 innings and an 0-2count on the San Diego hitter. Bruce Froemming was the home plate umpire and missed not one but two strike three calls and Pappas ended up walking the batter. He got the next hitter on a fly ball. Pappas has yet to talk to Froemming, although Froemming umpired more games that year and in Pappas’ final year in 1973. Froemming said they were very close, but, he wasn’t going to give Pappas anything. He had to earn it. It wasn’t even a close game. The score was 8-0.
Up Kate-
Could open a can of worms if say a CB Bucknor had too many calls overruled.
Doreen-
Just seemed like an easy way to do it.
I feel for Galarraga and the umpire too. Its the 9th inning and I’m sure the ump is tired, but he failed to get a good angle on the play. If you look at the video you will see he meanders towards 2B, but then moves back almost directly in the 1B foul line. That is a hard angle to make that call. He had it right to start with in his positioning when he moved towards 2B and he should have moved even more. The angle from 3 or 4 steps would have been proper and much clearer. I’m sure the ump was tired and he even had his arm up like he was going to call an out, but for some reason changed his mind at the last second. I say again, it is an extremely tough call from the angle he chose.
All that said, the spineless commish should over rule the call. That call had no impact on the outcome of the game, only a record for a Pitcher.
MTU (aka GBURL) June 3rd, 2010 at 9:02 am
Erin-
You need to move out here to the SW where it is sunny, warm, and dry most of the time.
We?d be glad to have you.
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Thanks for the invite.
mick -
Just making a funny (or trying to). It’s fine.
***1972*** and give Milt Pappas
September of 1072 IS a long way to back to change a call and isn’t Pappas dead? (a good enough reason not to talk to anyone)?
Why do we have to revise history? Just try to improve what we have. It eventually will happen. Why not use this to provide the impetus to change things for the better?
SS Derek Jeter
RF Nick Swisher
1B Mark Teixeira
3B Alex Rodriguez
2B Robinson Cano
DH Jorge Posada
CF Curtis Granderson
C Chad Moeller
LF Brett Gardner
Yankees closer Mariano Rivera, after seeing a replay of the call Wednesday night at Yankee Stadium, said of about Joyce, “It happened to the best umpire we have in our game. The best. And a perfect gentleman. Obviously, it was a mistake. It was a perfect game. It’s a shame for both of them, for the pitcher and for the umpire. But I’m telling you he is the best baseball has, and a great guy. It’s just a shame.”
Read More: http://sportsillustrated.cnn.c.....z0pnNJjNtC
Pappas is not dead, my bad.
Isn’t Joyce the loud ump behind the plate?
GTLU:
SS Jeter
RF Swisher
1B Tex
3B Alex
2B Robbie
DH Jorge
CF Granderson
C Moeller
LF Gardner
I’m going with Moeller cause of the day/night games. I have a feeling one of the position players in the infield might DH instead of Posada (who I think may sit today) but I’m not gonna second guess myself until…. well, until I am certain I’m wrong. Thanks Doreen!!
Any good speculation on where Cliff Lee lands by the trade deadline?
If Pappas is dead, they’d better bury him and tell his family. Who decides that it was too long ago to change? Selig, Froemming, hysterical fans? Certainly not Milt Pappas, his family and Cubs fans.
GB-
I understand your point about not knowing where to draw the line but exceptions in the name of Justice are made in all walks of life all the time.
I know if it were me, or anyone else I really cared about I would want it to be possible for mistakes to be rectified and for people to have a second chance.
But hey, that’s just me, and I understand that the World doesn’t always work that way.
But it would be nice if it did.
Another quality outing from Brackman last night. 5IP, 0 runs, 5 hits, 1 BB,7Ks. Thats about 5 in a row now. Maybe he is finally figuring things out. Also, Slade Heathcott had the game winning hit in his first game with Charleston last night.
Mick, I suppose that’s possible – but umps wouldn’t lose their jobs over it (unless they decided to track how many reviewable calls an umpire makes?); it would just make the game better.
where is Chris and his stupid prediction that the O’s pitcher was going to shut us down ?
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Chris ?
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Oh Chris ?????
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I still don’t think they should overturn the call from last night. That opens up a can that shouldn’t be opened. That said, it’s not uncommon for the scoring to be changed after a game, you know, a hit into an error. Any chance they could do that? Maybe Miggy didn’t go quick enough, or the throw was low? This way at least G gets the no-no.
If Selig were smart he’d take the opportunity to do something positive here and move baseball further away from the steroid era.
But , as usual, he will not consider the best interests of baseball, but the pocketbooks of the owners and “protecting” the umpires .
Wonderful quote from Mo and something Joyce probably need to hear as he’s taking it on the chin.
I think the ump behind the plate plays a much larger in all games than all the umps in the field combined. I am not saying a coach shouldn’t have a challenge of some sort, but reviewing only a few plays is not impacting the outcome as much as getting home plate under control as it is far more of an impact.
Mick-
key phrase “if Selig were smart” . Actually, wise, or just.
We both know the answer to that.
MTU (aka GBURL) June 3rd, 2010 at 9:16 am
GB-
I understand your point about not knowing where to draw the line but exceptions in the name of Justice are made in all walks of life all the time.
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You draw the line right where it is,in the here and now.
It’s time to move on and get it right and fix what needs fixin’.
GB, I can’t answer that, but balls and strikes wouldn’t be reviewable anyway. This was a blown call where the answer (he was out) is clear…..
Selig is “smart” enough to know who to protect and cater to.
He should be impeached, esp if he says nothing.
Mick-
You are preaching to the choir.
MTU,
I lived in Tucson for a year and I’m fine if I never set foot again in that inferno again. 100 degrees 8 months a year? No thanks.
The residents used to tell me that the water came from aquifers over a million years old to which I sometimes replied ” Oh yeah, it tastes like it.”
And just because I have to give my 2 cents about Jim Joyce:
I think what happened yesterday was an absolute abomination, but the blame has to fall squarely on the shoulders of Bud Selig and Major League Baseball. Something like this was bound to happen (though none of us, I’m sure, could imagine something quite like this..) and the powers that be have done nothing to try to assure the game is played with integrity.
The instant replay idea may bug some, but I don’t think I’ve ever met anyone under 30 that thinks its a bad idea. I really believe this is a generational issue. The way that the HR review has been instituted is a testament to this fact.
Do you think that anyone that is a part of the ‘instant satisfaction’ generation is going to sit around while 4 umpires waddle into the dugout to review a HR when before they even get to the video screen Michael Kay and Ken Singleton have already seen the replay 5 or 6 times?!
Instant replay could be very easily implemented into the game of baseball without halting the game entirely. A few bluetooth devices and a 5th umpire in front of a TV somewhere, and you’re pretty much good to go. The idea that this would destroy the integrity of baseball is absurd and people need to realize that ‘old school baseball’ is just that, and we should all just appreciate it within the context of the history of the game.
tweets are saying how gallaraga showed more class in losing his bid than braden did in winning his. that’s because the bradens are trailer trash. just wanted to get that off my chest. now…. replay please!
Jeter SS
Swisher RF
Tex 1B
A-Rod 3B
Cano 2B
Posada DH
Granderson CF
Moeller C
GGBG LF
bud selig destroyed the integrity of baseball years ago.
If they don’t uphold infractions of the rules in cases like George Brett or the “illegal” pitching change against the Yankees last week, there is no reason to go back and change the record books, and, they shouldn’t. Sorry, but, there are too many times that games…important games have been lost because of bad calls. Ken Burkett’s WS call against Ed Armbrister of Cinncy or the bad call on Jackson in the ’78 WS when Jackson clearly got in the way of the throw to first base by Russell. It cost the Dodgers the game and possibly the WS.
Nice article on Mr. K. Long.
http://online.wsj.com/article/.....theadlines
I actually think Joyce “choked” on the call.
I also have noticed too many times where an ump will make the wrong call to show a player he has the last say. Usually a batter trying to con a ball 4. It can’t be proven but they are human.
In this case, he choked as if he were a player under the pressure of fielding the last out cleanly,clearly no room for error.
Jeter ss
Swish rf
tex 1b
arod 3b
cano 2b
posada dh
granderson cf
gardner lf
moeller c
and i realize that is 2 lefties in a row, but i dont see moeller above 9th. Also, with the issues cc has been having getting on the same page with Cervelli, i think it’s a good day to play moeller.
Also, I don’t think you can overturn the call. Even if you could (as some here think they should), you still stole that kid’s shinning moment. He didn’t get the celebration on the field, in front of the fans, with all the hoopla that goes with making history. Even if you change the numbers, you don’t get to give him back his moment.
Jeers-
One Man’s trash is another Man’s treasure I guess.
For me, it sure beats dripping humidity and mosquitos.
Lastly, I wasn’t inviting you. I was inviting the lovely miss Erin.
You can just stay put. You’re nothing but trouble. Just look at all the rabble rousing you do here.
PS- the GZ is only technically in the SW. It’s really a very unique combo.
lost in this is yet another blown call that cost the twinkies their game last night. Wasn’t really argued but to me, the runner at 2nd was out, which led to the winning run.
Doreen,
Here is my line-up:
Derek SS
Swisher RF
Tex 1B
ARod 3B
Robbie 2B
Jorge DH
Curtis CF
Moeller C
Gardner LF
Thanks
If an ump misses calling a perfect game, how can you trust any of their decisions thereafter?
If a perfect game means no runs, hits, or errors, and the only error in the game is ump’s call, shouldn’t the Commish over rule the bad call?
How about the player who knows he didn’t beat the ball speaking up, doesn’t it show sportsmanship? Does he have a conscience? When it comes to money/contracts these guys stick together, what about doing the right thing and admitting the ball beat you?
Also, I don’t think you can overturn the call. Even if you could (as some here think they should), you still stole that kid’s shinning moment. He didn’t get the celebration on the field, in front of the fans, with all the hoopla that goes with making history. Even if you change the numbers, you don’t get to give him back his moment.
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Can’t overturn but the scorer can change the call to an error on the pitcher for bobbling the ball. That would be pretty controversial, but that can be possible.
Bronx, Your story reminds me of this quote from Hamlet 2:
‘you’re going to have a magical life. Because no matter where you go, it’s always going to be better than Tucson.’
It also robs Jackson of a great catch that would go down in history, not infamy.
Gallaraga’s going to be known for this a lot longer than Braeden will be for his perfect game. ask around and see how many people know who the Hell Len Barker is. The answer will be, “Not Many”.
Jeers-
Forgot. Funny line about the water but it’s better up here.
For Selig to overturn the call would be to admit replay’s time has come.
Why only for HR’s? That is my question.
Sort of like being a little pregnant.
If anything something radical like change coming from this would be good for baseball.
In their best interests.
But that would make too much sense to the Clueless.
ac1 – my point wasn’t about if they could/should change it so much as about how they robbed the kid anyway. Even if there was a controversial way to set things right, they still stole the kid’s shinning moment. Its like getting a gold medal at the Olympics after someone tests positive for something like steroids or being partially male, it just doesn’t seem as rewarding.
How about the player who knows he didn’t beat the ball speaking up, doesn’t it show sportsmanship? Does he have a conscience? When it comes to money/contracts these guys stick together, what about doing the right thing and admitting the ball beat you?
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He did speak up. He isnt going to outright say he was out, but he made a note that be believed and was surprised he was called safe.
How’s replay going to work?
Is there going to be a 5-10 min. delay after every neighborhood play?
If I’m not mistaken, the runner seemed upset after being called safe.
they should overturn it. No need to go back to other games , especially ones involving balls and strikes. This one is very clearly blown. Selig should do the right thing. Overturn it and institute replay.
A 5th umpire in the booth with a TV who can call the crew chief, it will employ another umpire who can work into the rotation. Everyone wins.
The always great Tyler Kepner talked to Bruce Froemming last night as he’s another ump whose decision resulted in a pitcher losing a perfect game.
But in Froemming’s case, he made the correct call on calling an outside pitch ball four on a 3-2 count with two outs in the ninth.
The pitcher, Milt Pappas, agreed with the call but believed Froemming should have given him the call anyway for the sake of history.
To quote Froemming ” That pitch has gotten better over the years…it’s right down the middle now”
http://www.nytimes.com/2010/06.....ref=sports
It will be interesting to see if the Yankees can get this game in before the downpour that just hit Columbus reaches the NY area.
Shame i 100% agree. He f-ed up real bad. Joyce doesnt seem like a Joe West/CB Bucknor type that wants the attention though. If it were them, I doubt people would be acting so diplomatically.
Nonetheless, i dont care about this human element crap. 2 Challenges a game. Use as you wish. Who cares if the umpires feelings are hurt?
Tom in N.J. June 3rd, 2010 at 9:31 am
Bronx, Your story reminds me of this quote from Hamlet 2:
?you?re going to have a magical life. Because no matter where you go, it?s always going to be better than Tucson.?
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I LOVE that movie!!
Is there going to be a 5-10 min. delay after every neighborhood play?
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Limit the amounts of times they can use it.
Have a man in the booth, another ump, who can check it.
It would be shorter than when they go inside to check a HR.
How’s replay going to work?
Is there going to be a 5-10 min. delay after every neighborhood play?
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Station a 5th umpire in the booth, give him TVs and replays from the TV feed. Give him a means to communicate with the crew chief. He can correct tough plays.
It will take less time than a manager coming out to argue.
Tom-
While were at it.
Neigborhood calls and vicinity plays are just more BS. What crap.
“The ball beat you there so I know you were out.”
“Did you actually see the tag ?”
“No. But you were out. The ball beat you to the bag.”
This from an umpire.
What ?????????
Too many umps think they are bigger than the game and that needs to be curbed.
# MTU (aka GBURL) June 3rd, 2010 at 9:39 am
Tom-
While were at it.
Neigborhood calls and vicinity plays are just more BS. What crap.
“The ball beat you there so I know you were out.”
“Did you actually see the tag ?”
“No. But you were out. The ball beat you to the bag.”
This from an umpire.
What ?????????
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The Jeter play.
GB, I usually agree with you, but not here. I don’t think we should make decisions based on what did or didn’t happen years ago – in some cases, decades.
Tom in NJ – if they constructed it properly, it wouldn’t cause nearly the delay people are imagining. Technology is a beautiful thing and as I said before, if Michael Kay and Ken Singleton can get the replay within seconds, there is no reason why an ump in a booth can’t see the same replays almost instantly and alert the umpire on the field that made the wrong call. The call could be corrected and the game could resume in a timely manner.
Can you imagine if CB Buckner had made that call? Or Joe West?
# Shame Spencer June 3rd, 2010 at 9:40 am
Tom in NJ – if they constructed it properly, it wouldn’t cause nearly the delay people are imagining. Technology is a beautiful thing and as I said before, if Michael Kay and Ken Singleton can get the replay within seconds, there is no reason why an ump in a booth can’t see the same replays almost instantly and alert the umpire on the field that made the wrong call. The call could be corrected and the game could resume in a timely manner.
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You are correct. It makes one wonder why they don’t do the same for HR’s?
It would save time. But it isn’t about “time.”
It’s about other things.
froemming didn’t happen to mention the other call that his missed in that at bat, did he? He’s changed hist story over the years, too. I saw the game on WGN and it’s on tape. He blew two calls. According to Froemming, he never made a mistake. He also told the catcher Randy Hundley to tell Pappas that if he came off of the mound again, he might as well keep walking to the dugout because he was gone.
The official scorer was interviewed last night on MLB Network.
He said he has 24 hours to change any calls but he saw the replay and there was no bobble so there was no error.
Just a reminder that GTLU closes at 10 am.
I will be going out in a couple of minutes (tennis lesson) and will check in when I get back at about 11:15.
Thanks everyone for playing. These people submitted lineups:
upstate kate
mick
Erin
MTU
RayVT
Shame Spencer
Erica
ac1
Fran (the original)
If I missed you, please let me know.
Jeter-SS
Swisher-RF
Teixiera-1B
AROD-3B
Cano-2B
Posada-DH
Granderson-CF
Moeller-C
Gardner-LF
Betsy – Hughes rules (Pleading the Fifth) June 3rd, 2010 at 9:40 am
GB, I usually agree with you, but not here. I don’t think we should make decisions based on what did or didn’t happen years ago – in some cases, decades.
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Then, we’ll have to disagree, because I’m not a fan of changing calls 24 hours later, especially ones that don’t affect the final outcome of games, regardless of it’s “historical” value.
Good morning Doreen,
Jeter SS
Swisher Rf
Teixera 1B
Arod 3B
Cano 2B
Posada DH
Granderson CF
Moeller C
Gardner LF
Thanks a million
O.K., then where does the line get drawn?
In my mind there are two kinds of blown calls-the blatantly obvious, where last night’s call fits, and the kind where you need slow motion and freeze frame cameras to see the correct call. I have no problem with the blatantly obvious calls getting over-turned. I’m not so sure about the other though.
As much as I feel for Galarraga, I have to say, I don’t think the call should be reversed, given the rules as they are today. What if the same play had happened one inning earlier?
Anyway, it’s too bad it happened. There really are no remedies for this now, but it should open a conversation for the future of replay.
“Then, we’ll have to disagree, because I’m not a fan of changing calls 24 hours later, especially ones that don’t affect the final outcome of games, regardless of it’s “historical” value.”
100% agree.
GTLU
Jeter ss
Swish rf
Tex 1b
Alex 3b
Cano 2b
Posada dh
Granderson cf
Gardner lf
Moeller c
Joelsherman1 Umps I’ve heard interviewed all begin by saying feel sorry for Joyce Hey, the guy to feel sorry for is Galarraga
Length of games never bothers me. Baseball is about ebb and flow and each game has its own. But for some reason, I really liked that the Tribe/Tigers game was done in 1:44.
going to todays game does anyone think it will be rained out and should i even go to the stadium?
pete June 3rd, 2010 at 9:55 am
going to todays game does anyone think it will be rained out and should i even go to the stadium?
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They have to go to Toronto tonight. This game will get played. Probably not on time, but I think it gets played
MTU,
All kidding aside I really do love the beauty of the West and did have some interesting nights running around the desert and looking at the stars. With some chemical help of course.
Where exactly is the GZ? I’ve seen some of your pics. Looks like 4 corners terrain to my untrained eye.
Billy D-
That sure would appeal To Joe Worst.
It would him give that much more time to cram more food down that bottomless piehole of his, and to wok on improving that craw he calls a double chin.
Tom in N.J. June 3rd, 2010 at 9:48 am
O.K., then where does the line get drawn?
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Give each manager 2 instant replay “challenges” per game to be used at their discretion. Then you don’t have to worry about where the line gets drawn
GreenBeret7 June 3rd, 2010 at 9:10 am
I knew we were old GB, but 1072 was a bit of a stretch! Good Morning Friend!
BJ-
The GZ is a “state secret” know only to the trusted few.
If I told you exactly where it was well then……. You know the rest.
It is open by invitation only.
But you would be warm in thinking the four corners. That much I can say.
I do like giving escorted tours to people with the proper security clearances though.
SS Jeter
RF Swish
1B Tex
3B Alex
2B Robbie
DH Posada
CF Grandy
C Moeller ( After last weeks debacle)
CF Gardy
The ball beat you there so I know you were out.”
“Did you actually see the tag ?”
“No. But you were out. The ball beat you to the bag.”
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Yeah and this was directed to Derek Jeter. If jeter gets this BS from an ump, what chance to the peons have.
the game time argument here is crap. This game lasted 1:44. I don’t think the extra 2 minutes to get it right would have hurt.
Hi Doreen,
GTLU
Jeter-SS
Swish-RF
Tex-1B
Arod-3B
Cano-2B
Posada-DH
Granderson-CF
Moeller-C
Brett the Jet-LF
that was “work” not “wok” but it wouldn’t matter to Joe Worst either way.
Jetes-SS
Swisher-RF
Teixiera-1B
Alex-3B
Cano-2B
Posada-DH
Granderson-CF
Moeller-C
GGBG-LF
I am not a baseball historian, but this is very likely the first time a PG has ever been lost when there is definitive proof the call was blown. With the technology we have today there is no doubt whatsoever that was an out at 1B.
With balls-strikes it is rare when you can say 100% that call was missed. Even with a million replays it is hard to say it was definitely wrong because we do not know when exactly the ball crossed home plate and the camera angles play tricks on our eyes.
Not to mention we have accepted in a baseball a subjective view of the strike zone. No umpire calls the strike zone in the rule book. And there is no technology that is 100% accurate for balls-strikes.
On plays at the bases, there is virtually no subjectivity about it. He is either out or safe. It is extremely rare that we are left with doubt at the bases when going back to replay.
What Bud (or Dud as I call him) Selig should do today is institute instate replay for out-safe calls.
He should then say I am retroactively enforcing AG’s perfect game under this new rule.
No doubt that Joe West has done some work with a wok.
GZ = Geriatric Zone?
I’m not quite there yet so I won’t take offense.
Now I recall Froemming talking about that at-bat on the Costas show. I guess I wouldn’t be going to far out on a limb by saying he’s probably a better story teller than he was an ump.
Doreen-
Jeter SS
Granderson CF
Tex 1B
A Rod 3B
Cano 2B
Posada DH
Swisher RF
Gardner LF
Moeller C
Solving a dilemma such as the Gallarraga fiasco would take someone with the wisdom of Solomon, and we all know that ain’t Selig.
Although I’ve thought of myself as a baseball purist over the years, I’m not anymore. That went out with the unbalanced schedules and interleague play & DH’s. I am in favor of over turning this call.
I am also in favor of allowing umpires the choice of using a replay or not. Not a manager. Leave it to the umpires to get it right. Why they could have an umpire in the booth send a text message to the ump on the field. (Umpires sometimes huddle to decide on a call, & they could do that & include the guy watching replays in the booth.) But make it the umps decision period.
Replays should not be used for balls & strikes.
New Post w/lineup
Selig will pull his head out the sand just long enough to assure everyone baseball has the best umps on the planet, everyone makes mistakes — now is not the time to discuss instant replay, yada yada yada…
RayVT June 3rd, 2010 at 9:58 am
GreenBeret7 June 3rd, 2010 at 9:10 am
I knew we were old GB, but 1072 was a bit of a stretch! Good Morning Friend!
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Morning, Ray. Doing just fine, thanks for asking. I trust all is well up your way. Ifeel sorry for gallarago and Joyce, too. They both handled their situations as well as you could want. Much credit goes to both of them. Leyland had a good take on it, too.
The kids in the system had some good to great nights last night. Scranton did nothing, but, Montero wasn’t playing, so he gets no blame this time. Colin Curtis is back playing and hitting really well. Brackman was outstanding, once again. 6 walks and 36 strikeouts in 43 innings.
Only you, me and Randy were around, then. Randy was about 90 years old then and was already falling asleep in his gruel.
Jeers-
I’m in the Geriatic Zone not you.
And by the way, I have said some pretty cheeky things to you in the past.
You know my elevator does not go to the top floor so I hope you weren’t offended by any of it.
With me everything is fair game mostly including myself.
So if I happened to have inadvertently offended you I apologize.
LGY at 10:05 – You beat me to it. I think that’s absolutely what should happen.
I agree with GB7 in that you can’t go back indefinitely and change all the mistakes, but you can go forward from last night.
Start with calls on the bases. Have a 5th umpire in the press box, and just like Kay and the TV guys have multiple angles within seconds, so would he. He could then alert the crew chief on the field – via wireless technology, or if Bud likes tradition, by smoke signals like they use in the Vatican – to what the correct call is. Then, next year, you move on to balls and strikes.
And on continuation plays, like balls down the foul line that remain in play, use the best judgment of the crew on the field, just like they do now.
The technology is there. It is waiting to be used. The is no logical argument against, IMO.
# Billy D June 3rd, 2010 at 9:54 am
Length of games never bothers me. Baseball is about ebb and flow and each game has its own. But for some reason, I really liked that the Tribe/Tigers game was done in 1:44.
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This used to be commonplace. 1-0, 2-1 games where both pitchers went all the way.
“don’t care much for Kay, but do we need 100 posts dissecting his commentary, especially when most of it is harmless? Who cares if he promotes the Kay show? We care about the game, not Kay.”
Ball 4
I want to clarify something from last night. Michael Kay does not actually promote “The Michael Kay Show on ESPN Radio” during the Yankees telecasts.
However, what is supposed to be Yankees baseball turns into the Michael Kay Show on YES, with Yankees baseball taking a backseat. I watch a game, and want to hear about the game, not Michael Kay promoting himself and his own ego!
Then, next year, you move on to balls and strikes.
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Joe…therein lies the rub.
That is the bugaboo. The umps are scared of being worthless or at least their importance being diminished.
Job security, if you will.
What Bud (or Dud as I call him) Selig should do today is institute instate replay for out-safe calls.
He should then say I am retroactively enforcing AG’s perfect game under this new rule.
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Well said LGY.
But that would make too much sense and not put more money into baseball’s pocket.
Mick-
There is the flaw in your statement.
Because in many instances the Umps ARE worthless when compared to the accuracy of a machine.
So maybe they have a right to be concerned.
mtu
they know that and are scared s****less they will be replaced by a robot and not so clueless
bud knows it too.
I certainly don’t want to see replay take over the game of baseball. I could go along with a replay system at first base. Errors in calls happen all over the field and at most in opportune moments. We played the game this way for ever.
More calls are made right and wrong at first base. There should be replay there. Yet I think only in game changing situations.
That blown call yesterday changed the game. of itself and wholly unto itself. Should be reviewed and corrected.