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Heading north

Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Today in the Journal News on Jun 04, 2010 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

Find my way up north, find out what I’m worth.
Try and understand, just how big I am.

- North, by Jerry Joseph

After sweeping the lowly Orioles and taking three of four against the last-place Indians, the Yankees are back on the road to begin a three-game series against the surprisingly good Blue Jays. It will be season’s first meeting between these two teams, and the standings suggest it will be the Yankees toughest series of a relatively easy two-and-a-half week stint.

Last night the Yankees used a strong start from CC Sabathia to finish off Baltimore. Alex Rodriguez and Brett Gardner went deep, and Robinson Cano stayed hot with an RBI double.

Joba Chamberlain and Mariano Rivera closed out the win, good for Rivera’s 12th save and Chamberlain’s second straight scoreless outing. The notebook also has items on Gardner and Francisco Cervelli.

Of course, the imperfect perfect game in Detroit remains a hot topic of discussion and the Yankees seem a little split on whether the first-base call should be reversed. My own opinion: Let it stand. What’s done is done, and baseball has a good memory for this sort of thing. It may very well go down as the most famous perfect game since Don Larsen’s, despite what the box score says.

I’m about to catch my flight to Canada. Sweeny Murti is here with me, which seems to always be the case. If you’re curious, Sweeny went with oatmeal. I chose a bagel. That’s the kind of hard-hitting news we love here at the LoHud Yankees Blog!

I’ll check in again from Toronto. Take care of America while I’m gone.

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247 Responses to “Heading north”

  1. MTU (aka GBURL) June 4th, 2010 at 8:06 am

    If the Yankees can take 2 of 3 from Toronto there is a good chance they can break into a tie for first place.

    The Rays have a 3 game set against Texas in Texas and the matchups are solid. I hope TB loses 2 of 3.

    1st place before the weekend is out ? :)

    Safe trip Chad.

  2. Betsy - Hughes rules (pleading the Fifth) June 4th, 2010 at 8:14 am

    This will be a tough series; Toronto can hit and their starting pitching is good to very good.

  3. MTU (aka GBURL) June 4th, 2010 at 8:17 am

    Betsy-

    Good morning.

    How’s my favorite bad in a good sort of way Woman ? :)

  4. Betsy - Hughes rules (pleading the Fifth) June 4th, 2010 at 8:19 am

    Good morning MTU, I’m fine – and you?

  5. MTU (aka GBURL) June 4th, 2010 at 8:21 am

    Betsy-

    Things are as sweet as strawberry wine.

    I’ve got YMH covered for 8 wins, and I hope to bank some more this weekend.

    He is exceeding all reasonable expectations. :)

  6. blake June 4th, 2010 at 8:22 am

    MTU, Betsy,
    Morning and happy Friday to you both. :)

  7. MTU (aka GBURL) June 4th, 2010 at 8:24 am

    Blake-

    back at you.

    By the way, I’ve got a Moeller I’m having trouble with do you think you could help me get it removed any time soon ? ;)

  8. blake June 4th, 2010 at 8:27 am

    MTU,

    Lol, I am workin today…actually workin for free to boot so come on down. ;)

  9. MTU (aka GBURL) June 4th, 2010 at 8:30 am

    Blake-

    Pro bono Dentistry ?

    That’s a new one.

    And as far as coming on down. I hope to do that some day. It would be my great pleasure to explore your area. I am sure it is quite beautiful.

  10. upstate kate June 4th, 2010 at 8:31 am

    no knock on the Jays, as Betsy says they are a good pitching and hitting team. However, their record against the AL east isn’t that good.

  11. Betsy - Hughes rules (pleading the Fifth) June 4th, 2010 at 8:33 am

    MTU, do you need to go hiking this weekend to account for Young Master Hughes’ 7th win? If he wins enough, you’re going to have to find a Mt. Everest-type mountain to climb, lol.

    Good morning, Blake! Happy Friday – and it’s a beautiful day!

    Question: they posed this on the Wheelhouse, so what the heck:

    Who would you rather have going forward, Mike Pelfrey or Phil Hughes?

    Brandon Tierney and Mark Malusis both chose Phil in a very close vote because of his swing and miss stuff and ability to get strikeouts. On Pelfrey’s side of the ledger, he’s become the Mets stopper and has made a quantum leap in terms of his mental development. On Phil’s side, he didn’t have to make that leap that Pelfrey did because his problems were mostly physical; he’s 2 years younger and he faces the DH.

    I can’t possibly say who’s better, so I will leave it to everyone else to decide. I will say that Phil has the better nickname (Phranchise beats Big Pelf any day of the week), but then I don’t think anyone calls him Phranchise anymore, so maybe it’s moot,lol.

  12. MTU (aka GBURL) June 4th, 2010 at 8:34 am

    Kate-

    I think we can take ‘em. ;)

  13. JM June 4th, 2010 at 8:34 am

    Will be a tough series. Would be great to take two of three and keep the momentum going.

  14. blake June 4th, 2010 at 8:34 am

    MTU,

    Yea you should, although not in the summer unless you like humidity…October is really nice. I gotta get out to see the places in your pics one of these days as well.

  15. Betsy - Hughes rules (pleading the Fifth) June 4th, 2010 at 8:35 am

    I wanted to correct those guys, though because Phil stopped the bleeding against the White Sox and he did the same against the Tigers. I agree with them that more is asked of Pelfrey, but then that doesn’t answer the ? about the future, just this year.

  16. Betsy - Hughes rules (pleading the Fifth) June 4th, 2010 at 8:36 am

    Blake, where do you live?

  17. MTU (aka GBURL) June 4th, 2010 at 8:38 am

    Betsy-

    I’ve got PH covered for 8 already but I am trying to stay ahead of him (not so easy). I will do my best.

    And you’re right there is always the danger he will cause me to exceed my vertical limit.

    Everyone else on the blog adds calories to honor Phil I get to subtract them. :)

  18. blake June 4th, 2010 at 8:39 am

    Betsy,

    Tennesse but still a Tarheel at heart.

  19. MTU (aka GBURL) June 4th, 2010 at 8:41 am

    Blake-

    Yes. The Fall. It should be the “only” season. It’s hiker’s Paradise.

    You would not believe how much I have planned for it each year.

    And you DO need to see the GZ. It’s a slice of Heaven. Just ask Kate. :)

  20. blake June 4th, 2010 at 8:43 am

    MTU,
    Fall is my favorite season by a mile…the weather, the smells, playoff baseball…can’t beat it.

  21. MTU (aka GBURL) June 4th, 2010 at 8:46 am

    Blake-

    I have lived in the SW a good portion of my life now and there is no other place I would rather be in the Fall. It’s perfection.

  22. NYYROC June 4th, 2010 at 8:47 am

    Thinking about how Hughes has turned into a really good pitcher and how Cano may be the best player in the league. Shows what a little patience can do. Wasn’t too many years ago many fans wanted them both traded.

  23. MTU (aka GBURL) June 4th, 2010 at 8:49 am

    NROC-

    Only Idiots ever wanted Cano traded.

  24. upstate kate June 4th, 2010 at 8:49 am

    MTU/Blake
    have to agree about the SW, absolutely beautiful. The only place close in my estimation is Glacier Natl Park. And western hiking is so much nicer than hiking in the Adks- nice switch backs, great views, no mud and best of all, no black flies!

  25. NYYROC June 4th, 2010 at 8:51 am

    MTU, true, but remember all the Cano for Kemp suggestions?

  26. BFKAD June 4th, 2010 at 8:51 am

    So with another afternoon game Saturday will this blog turn into an NBA Finals Twitter feed at 9?

  27. MTU (aka GBURL) June 4th, 2010 at 8:54 am

    Kate-

    Glacier is astonishing. Have you been Kallispell, Whitefish, or Flathead Lake ?

    If not, please do yourself a favor put them on your bucket list. :)

  28. Damon enjoy 27....think 28 June 4th, 2010 at 8:54 am

    I like today’s match up, against the Jays,

    AJ is 2-1 with a 3.34 Era

    Yankees batting vs Cecil:
    Cano .800
    Jeter Posada .600
    Alex, Swish ,Tex.333
    .
    Haven’t faced Cecil:
    Granderson
    Cerevelli
    Gardner
    Pena
    Russo
    Moeller
    Thames

    Cecil is 0-1 11.25 Era.

    Jays batting vs AJ:
    Jose Molina .400
    Wells .333
    Lind .250
    Hill .273
    Gonzalez .167
    Buck .250
    Encarnacion .333

    Haven’t faced AJ:
    Fred Lewis
    Mike McCoy
    John McDonald
    JoseBautista

    Guess who’s red Hot facing him on the Yankees Cano!!

  29. blake June 4th, 2010 at 8:55 am

    kate,
    I lived in east glacier for 2 months once while working at the blackfeet community hospital…its an amazing place and absolutely beautiful…

  30. MTU (aka GBURL) June 4th, 2010 at 8:56 am

    ROC-

    Of course. And I thought the idea of moving Cano was absurd.

    With his talent, and that “swing” he was always destined for greatness. He should always have been untouchable IMO.

  31. RayVT June 4th, 2010 at 8:57 am

    upstate kate June 4th, 2010 at 8:31 am

    Betsy is right the Jays are pretty good. They always seem to play much better against the Yankees than most of their other teams they play!

  32. Erin June 4th, 2010 at 9:00 am

    Damon enjoy 27….think 28 June 4th, 2010 at 8:54 am

    Yankees batting vs Cecil:
    Cano .800

    ****************************
    Awesome. :)

  33. MTU (aka GBURL) June 4th, 2010 at 9:06 am

    Kate-

    By the way. I’ll make you a deal.

    I will take all of your blackflies if you will take all of our Rattler’s, Scorpions, and Gila Monsters.

    Deal ? :)

  34. 86w183 June 4th, 2010 at 9:06 am

    Let me stand up for us “idiots” who suggest Matt Kemp for Cano more than a year ago.

    In case you haven’t noticed, Kemp is a stud. He’s an excellent outfielder and very good hitter with more power than Cano and more SB. He’s also two years younger.

    I wouldn’t make that trade today, but two off-seasons back making that deal and signing Orlando Hudson as a FA was not a bad strategy. The Yanks still do not have a corner OF prospect of note (Kemp could easily shift to RF).

  35. Will June 4th, 2010 at 9:09 am

    “If you’re curious, Sweeny went with oatmeal. I chose a bagel. That’s the kind of hard-hitting news we love here at the LoHud Yankees Blog!”

    Funny! That’s great!

  36. blake June 4th, 2010 at 9:10 am

    MTU,
    We visited Kallispell a couple times a week to eat or watch a movie…I could live there easy.

    Phil Hughes > Pelfry IMO…that’s probably a biased opinion but I just think Phil’s fastball command separated him and will take him high places for many years.

  37. Damon enjoy 27....think 28 June 4th, 2010 at 9:10 am

    Cj Wilson 3-3 with a 3.48 Era, is 1-0 , 1.35 Era.

    Tb batting vs Wilson:
    W Aybar .1000
    Crawford .111
    The rest of team are 0′s or haven’t faced him.

    Wade Davis hasn’t faced Texas no stats , comes in 5-4 with a 4.04 Era

    Should be an interesting game. Go Texas.

  38. MTU (aka GBURL) June 4th, 2010 at 9:11 am

    86-

    Poor choice of words on my part, and Kemp is an excellent ballplayer but Cano had Superstar written all over him, and I don’t think Kemp was or is on Cano’s level.

    He always should have been an Untouchable.

    But hey, that’s just my take.

  39. Mike June 4th, 2010 at 9:12 am

    Hughes over Pelfrey…and its not even close. Not sure why this is even a debate. Hughes had a 2.54 ERA pitching in the AL East. He has better stuff. Better control. All his peripheral stats are better. He’s younger. And he doesnt have the advantage of a) facing weaker NL lineups and b) pitching his home games in Yellowstone Park….I mean Citi Field.

  40. upstate kate June 4th, 2010 at 9:12 am

    Yay Robbie! Sounds like the hitting streak has a good chance to continue

    MTU/Blake
    we flew into Kallispell and drove up to Whitefish, but spent most of our time hiking in the park. We stayed at 3 different lodges, so we got to see quite a bit of it.

  41. MTU (aka GBURL) June 4th, 2010 at 9:14 am

    Blake-

    “I could live there easy.”

    This lucky SOB who I sometimes hike with lives up there most of the year.

    He almost makes me envious. :)

  42. Will June 4th, 2010 at 9:15 am

    86w183, two years ago, I would have made that trade too. I never liked the Melky and Cano show. I realized that Cano was extremely talented but he seemed unfocused at times and I wondered if the postgame partying with Melky was too much of a distraction. I think Cano is showing much better focus without Melky around.

  43. Billy D June 4th, 2010 at 9:16 am

    “Cj Wilson 3-3 with a 3.48 Era, is 1-0 , 1.35 Era.”

    Seems like teams are on to Wilson of late. 0-2 with a 9.56 ERA (17 ER in 16 innings) over his last three starts.

  44. Erin June 4th, 2010 at 9:17 am

    MTU (aka GBURL) June 4th, 2010 at 9:11 am

    He always should have been an Untouchable.

    But hey, that?s just my take.

    ******************************
    This will come as no surprise, I’m sure, but I agree 100%. I was not a happy girl when all of those “trade Cano” rumors were out there. Bad memories. lol

  45. Damon enjoy 27....think 28 June 4th, 2010 at 9:17 am

    Erin
    Could you imagine what he’s thinking having to face a fired up Cano and Posada, when he was briefed on the scouting report?

  46. Bret the Hitman June 4th, 2010 at 9:18 am

    When Matt Kemp is Cano’s current age 2 years from now, he’ll be raking as well. Still, I’m glad we kept Cano because we were able to add Granderson and Swisher and can sign Crawford this off season whereas second base would be a hole. Robinson Cano very well could become this year’s MVP.

  47. Bret the Hitman June 4th, 2010 at 9:19 am

    The Cano-Kemp deal would’ve been a fair trade for both sides, just like the Granderson-Jackson/Kennedy/Coke deal.

  48. Fran (the original) and OPPC member June 4th, 2010 at 9:20 am

    I think Cano is showing much better focus without Melky around.
    ****************************
    I also think that Robbie takes his responsibility of protecting Alex very seriously.

  49. 86w183 June 4th, 2010 at 9:20 am

    MTU —

    If Robbie was this consistent with his play and effort 18 months ago I would have considered him “untouchable” too. You could see the talent — hell Stevie Wonder could see the talent — but now we see the drive, effort and professionalism that was lacking.

    I have a higher opinion of Kemp than you do. I think he’ll be an All-Star several times. He won a Gold Glove and a Silver Slugger last year and finished tenth in the MVP voting

  50. Erin June 4th, 2010 at 9:20 am

    Damon enjoy 27….think 28 June 4th, 2010 at 9:17 am
    Erin
    Could you imagine what he?s thinking having to face a fired up Cano and Posada, when he was briefed on the scouting report?

    ****************************
    LOL

    If I were him I’d probably be thinking about calling in sick. ;)

  51. Bret the Hitman June 4th, 2010 at 9:22 am

    The Vazquez deal looks bad now but if he signs with the Mets, we’re looking at a mid first-round draft pick. A really high end prospect could fall there for money issues.

  52. Betsy - Hughes rules (Pleading the Fifth) June 4th, 2010 at 9:23 am

    NYYROC, that’s very true, though Phil and Cano are different stories. Cano had had very good seasons, but he had to grow up a lot – obviously 2008 was a turning point for him. I could understand people getting frustrated him, to be honest. On the other hand, people gave up WAY too quickly on Phil without even taking into account that he was hurt in 2007 and 2008.

  53. Paco Dooley June 4th, 2010 at 9:25 am

    Gotta love Sweeny – best thing going over at the FAN

  54. Bret the Hitman June 4th, 2010 at 9:25 am

    Other controversial moves Cashman made recently that fired up fans seem to be working out in our favor.

    Passing on Santana.

    Cutting ties with Abreu.

    Cutting ties with Damon.

    Cutting ties with Matsui.

    Those guys are looking old, tired, overpaid and diminished.

  55. upstate kate June 4th, 2010 at 9:25 am

    I don’t think the Vazquez deal can be called bad yet…Javy is pitching better, and much as I was a Melky fan, he isn’t contibuting much.

  56. Haiku-man June 4th, 2010 at 9:25 am

    Mike

    To further prove your point Buck/ McCarver stated over the air during a Cardinals game, that pitching in the AL is harder than the NL!!
    Look at Halladay his 1st perfect game in the NL already just days before his team lost their first place division lead.

  57. Billy D June 4th, 2010 at 9:26 am

    “The Vazquez deal looks bad now but if he signs with the Mets, we’re looking at a mid first-round draft pick. A really high end prospect could fall there for money issues.”

    Chances of Vazquez being offered arbitration are less than 50/50, which is also about the same chance the Mets have of drafting outside the Top 15 next year.

  58. Betsy - Hughes rules (Pleading the Fifth) June 4th, 2010 at 9:27 am

    Blake, I’ve been to TN once – to a place called Blackberry Farms (outside of Knoxville). I loved it and the Smoky Mountains are beautiful……….

    The most beautiful place I’ve ever seen is Colorado; there are no words to describe how stunning that state is.

    Mike, it’s a natural to compare them (at least the media thinks so, and I’m sure fans do this in their minds). They are both young, both improving, both on NY teams – that’s the comparison. I do think it’s funny that they continue to be compared after almost every start, but then that’s the nature of baseball – and I love it (that you can compare players and have these types of discussions).

  59. Erica in NY June 4th, 2010 at 9:28 am

    86w183 June 4th, 2010 at 9:20 am
    MTU ?

    If Robbie was this consistent with his play and effort 18 months ago I would have considered him ?untouchable? too. You could see the talent ? hell Stevie Wonder could see the talent ? but now we see the drive, effort and professionalism that was lacking.
    ***************

    Funny random story-

    Many years ago my dad worked as an elevator operator as a kid. One day Stevie Wonder gets into his elevator. As he was exiting my dad says “watch your step”

  60. MTU (aka GBURL) June 4th, 2010 at 9:28 am

    86-

    I am sure we could go back and forth on this quite a bit.

    I was not meaning to denigrate Kemp as much as I was elevating Cano.

    For me Cano had/has Superstar written all over him.

    I am not sure Kemp will reach that level of play.

    Not to say, he won’t be excellent.

    But for me, Robbie has an Elite bat and glove, and that’s hard to match.

    By the way, I never bought into all that Cano downtalk. I just figured he was having a subpar season which all players do in the course of their development.

    My apologies if I insulted you earlier but I feel very strongly about Cano as you can tell.

    He kind of reminds me of Carew with power and a gold glove thrown in. :)

  61. Betsy - Hughes rules (Pleading the Fifth) June 4th, 2010 at 9:30 am

    I don’t think anyone who wanted to trade Cano was an idiot; it wasn’t for lack of talent that they wanted that……..let’s be honest.

    Alex gets a little credit here for taking Robbie aside and telling him that it’s time he lived up to his ability – he’s no baby anymore. Robbie deserves credit for listening – some guys never do and end up wasting their potential. I’m very proud of him.

  62. mick June 4th, 2010 at 9:34 am

    Many years ago my dad worked as an elevator operator as a kid. One day Stevie Wonder gets into his elevator. As he was exiting my dad says “watch your step”
    ==============================================
    That actually makes a lot of sense.

  63. blake June 4th, 2010 at 9:35 am

    Kemp and Cano are comparable players in talent alone. However an elite player that plays 2B provides more relative value over opposing teams than an elite player that plays outfield.

    Meaning you are more likely to find an outfielder (even a CFer) that can put up quality numbers than you are a 2B. Having elite bats at SS, 2B, and C is a huge advantage for the Yankees because most teams don’t.

  64. pat June 4th, 2010 at 9:36 am

    Good luck to Dave Trembley, wherever he ends up.

  65. blake June 4th, 2010 at 9:37 am

    Betsy,
    You’re right..Colorado is tough to beat..although the blue ridge and Smokey mountains in October are pretty special as well.

  66. rover June 4th, 2010 at 9:38 am

    For those paying attention the Idea of Cano being extremely talented was never a question. What we are seeing today is the maturation of a player with other world capabilities. Barring injury or some other off field problme Robbie could go down as the best ever all around 2 base in history. He has the talent to do just that and almost make it look easy.

  67. Erica in NY June 4th, 2010 at 9:38 am

    pat June 4th, 2010 at 9:36 am
    Good luck to Dave Trembley, wherever he ends up.
    ********

    Awww- the axe finally fell on him.

    In all fairness to the guy, he wasn’t given a whole lot to work with. I can’t recall off the top of my head any blatently bad managerial decisions. But I guess someone has to get the blame

  68. Erin June 4th, 2010 at 9:39 am

    pat June 4th, 2010 at 9:36 am
    Good luck to Dave Trembley, wherever he ends up.

    **************************
    I take it it’s official???

    Good luck to him-he seems like a nice guy.

  69. Mark in Tampa June 4th, 2010 at 9:41 am

    Betsy,

    The worst thing to happen to Hughes was Giambi comparing him to Clemens after an early ST batting practice. When people think of a young Clemens, he was 96-99 MPH with a great slider. Also, he had unreal control, probably better control than what he had later in his career. In his first 20K game, his catcher(Gedman?) said he didn’t have to move his glove more than 2 inches all night.

    No matter how good Hughes was, he wasn’t going to be that. Yet, that’s what a lot of fans expected, including me to some extent. I think that had a lot to do with the initial disappointment regarding Hughes, along with the injury frustration.

  70. Doreen - GTLU Stuff & Photos June 4th, 2010 at 9:41 am

    Nothing makes me more frustrated than to ready about Cano’s “partying” as if it was (a) fact, and (b) a nightly occurrence as if people actually saw him.

    It’s spoken about on here as if it were documented fact and it just irks me.

    Cano was young, was learning, and yes, perhaps at times lost focus, but he wasn’t a screw-up as people make him out to be.

    I love watching him play – he was always smooth, but he’s now better as if he finally believes in himself. He has taken the #5 spot in the order to heart – basically, he’s matured as a person and as a player. He has always – ALWAYS – worked hard, seeking out and instruction and extra work (first with Larry Bowa, then Alex, then K Long). We are seeing the fruits of his labor. It’s not because Melky was traded.

  71. pat June 4th, 2010 at 9:41 am

    Erin

    Yes.

    Juan Samuel named interim manager

  72. MTU (aka GBURL) June 4th, 2010 at 9:42 am

    Betsy-

    If you get to see the GZ you might just forget all about Colorado.

    I have been to both. IMO We have everything that they have and then some.

    And besides, I thought Alaska was your favorite. :)

  73. upstate kate June 4th, 2010 at 9:44 am

    I think we forget sometimes how young some of these players are. Robbie has matured a lot, and so has Phil.

  74. MTU (aka GBURL) June 4th, 2010 at 9:45 am

    Doreen-

    I feel as you do about Cano. Always did. :)

  75. 86w183 June 4th, 2010 at 9:50 am

    I was never insulted or offended… don’t worry about it.

    Like I said, I would not make that deal today. Cano is a tremendous talent and he’s focused and driven. Can’t imagine trading him now. He is extraordinarily valuable.

    Way too early to say whether or not the Yanks try to keep Vazquez or offer him arbitration. He has about 20 more starts coming and there’s a change how he performs in those outings just might influence the Yankees thinking.

    Damon has gone form .344 to .277 in the last month (20-94) with 5 RBI. Over the same time Granderson has gone from .225 to .269 (10-27) with 4 RBI — in 67 fewer AB.

  76. pat June 4th, 2010 at 9:52 am

    Doreen

    Agreed about Robbie/partying/Melky.

    Robbie just may not have been ready to receive the message before that was given to him this offseason but he has risen beyond expectations for him this year.

  77. Damon enjoy 27....think 28 June 4th, 2010 at 9:53 am

    Headline in sports section of http://www.huffingtonpost.com Coach loses World Series ring,after booze-fueled romp.
    Who is the coach, none other than Patrick Daneker. pitching coach
    for the Staten Island Yankees, enjoyed a wild night with a pair of women, ring valued at 10k.

  78. Betsy - Hughes rules (Pleading the Fifth) June 4th, 2010 at 9:56 am

    Mark, no young pitcher whether it’s Phil or Hernandez or anyone should be compared to an all-time HOFer; it sets standards that are impossible to live up to. That said, I have no doubt that comparison wasn’t made to compare Phil to Roger, but just to convey who he reminded Giambi of. It’s like a conversation we were having weeks ago. Phil the Thrill had mentioned that in the minors, Phil had reminded him of Tom Seaver. Well, I’m sure he was not comparing Phil to Seaver performance wise. .

    I don’t have a lot of sympathy for fans who were disappointed in Phil after 2007 and 2008 when he was terribly injured and who completely jumped off the bandwagon.

  79. blake June 4th, 2010 at 9:56 am

    I think its possible that Alex’s challenge to Cano in ST and the increased importance of his role have helped him focus.

  80. Betsy - Hughes rules (Pleading the Fifth) June 4th, 2010 at 9:57 am

    MTU, I don’t know what GZ is, but nothing will make me forget Colorado.

    I’ve never been to Alaska; it’s my dream, though.

  81. Betsy - Hughes rules (Pleading the Fifth) June 4th, 2010 at 10:00 am

    I shouldn’t say sympathy – that’s the wrong word. Suffice to say that I can’t understand why anyone would give up on Phil and call him an overrated bust based on the fact that he was injured.

  82. ron June 4th, 2010 at 10:00 am

    Does hughes own the best whip in the history of minor league baseball or was it the best whip while he was in the minors?

    I thought i read something about it a few years back.

  83. upstate kate June 4th, 2010 at 10:06 am

    Betsy
    even before Phil was injured, there was a lot of pressure on both him and IPK to perform as 2/5 of the starting rotation, IMO too much pressure for young starters. Especially considering you had the santana trade rumors thrown in there. And then add in that Posada was hurt and you had a variety of catchers, when a young pitcher could really benefit from a veteran presence.

  84. Jerkface June 4th, 2010 at 10:06 am

    Does hughes own the best whip in the history of minor league baseball or was it the best whip while he was in the minors?

    Strasburg has eclipsed Hughes, as he bought a ferrari with his bonus money.

  85. mick June 4th, 2010 at 10:08 am

    # Doreen – GTLU Stuff & Photos June 4th, 2010 at 7:02 am

    I didn’t love the “twitterish” activity last night, BUT, there was no Yankee game, the blog was relatively inactive, and this blog has a history of having discussions about other sporting events of interest.

    If that kind of back-and-forth had gone on during a Yankee game, or while other people here were trying to have a Yankees-related discussion, it would be a very different story, I think.
    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++=
    Doreen,
    It’s that type of nonsense that ruins it here, even more than the imposters, at least they go away. “Twitterish” activity is just that, a running monologue by twits without a following.

  86. pat June 4th, 2010 at 10:13 am

    “I think its possible that Alex’s challenge to Cano in ST and the increased importance of his role have helped him focus.”

    I think the banter between between Alex and Robbie in the dugout and on the bases is a continuation of that challenege every day.

  87. Rick June 4th, 2010 at 10:13 am

    Juan Samuel can have a great debut as the Oriole manager by sweeping 3 from Boston.

  88. Erin June 4th, 2010 at 10:16 am

    SI_JonHeyman samuel is a real personality. #orioles need life. heres hoping he gets a real chance.

  89. Betsy - Hughes rules (Pleading the Fifth) June 4th, 2010 at 10:16 am

    Kate, it’s really hard (IMO) to judge Phil on 2008 because he was pitching with a broken rib; his numbers as a starter are totally skewed because he chose to hide the injury for fear of people thinking he was making excuses (these are his words). I agreed with Phil being given the chance to start coming off of 2007 (where he had excellent #s for a 21 year old in the AL East), but it would have been better had he been the #5 starter (even assuming he was healthy) and not the #4.

    I didn’t think IPK should necessarily be given a spot just based on 3 starts; I thought that was a mistake.

  90. MTU (aka GBURL) June 4th, 2010 at 10:17 am

    Betsy-

    I did not mean that the GZ would make you forget Colorado literally but more metaphorically.

    Colorado’s mountains are taller by 1K feet on the average but the state lacks our diversity of environments overall.

    If your main love is beautiful Mountain scenery then you must see
    Glacier National Park. I don’t think you will ever forget it. :)

  91. mick June 4th, 2010 at 10:17 am

    # Doreen – GTLU Stuff & Photos June 4th, 2010 at 9:41 am

    Nothing makes me more frustrated than to ready about Cano’s “partying” as if it was (a) fact, and (b) a nightly occurrence as if people actually saw him.

    It’s spoken about on here as if it were documented fact and it just irks me.

    Cano was young, was learning, and yes, perhaps at times lost focus, but he wasn’t a screw-up as people make him out to be.

    I love watching him play – he was always smooth, but he’s now better as if he finally believes in himself. He has taken the #5 spot in the order to heart – basically, he’s matured as a person and as a player. He has always – ALWAYS – worked hard, seeking out and instruction and extra work (first with Larry Bowa, then Alex, then K Long). We are seeing the fruits of his labor. It’s not because Melky was traded.
    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++=
    Doreen,
    While I see your point I have to disagree. It is not based on fact, just my impressions, but Cash seemed to want to break up the trio of Abreu, Melky and Cano. Now instead of hanging out with Melky (at least in the dugout) and thinking up new dance steps, he sits with Arod, whom he now “protects.” They are protecting each other, so to speak. Less fooling around, more production, it usually works.

  92. Betsy - Hughes rules (Pleading the Fifth) June 4th, 2010 at 10:17 am

    Fantastic – the #1 quality a manager should have is personality. Oh brother, lol.

  93. Betsy - Hughes rules (Pleading the Fifth) June 4th, 2010 at 10:18 am

    MTU, what is GZ?

  94. Betsy - Hughes rules (Pleading the Fifth) June 4th, 2010 at 10:18 am

    Also, Colorado is already in my heart and nothing will change that. Wherever GZ is, I’m sure is gorgeous, though!

  95. MTU (aka GBURL) June 4th, 2010 at 10:19 am

    Betsy-

    GZ is a certain part of Utah. But I was talking about Utah in general earlier. :)

  96. mick June 4th, 2010 at 10:19 am

    Where was Samuels personality when he sent the runner down 8 runs with Gaudin on the ropes?

  97. Betsy - Hughes rules (Pleading the Fifth) June 4th, 2010 at 10:22 am

    Oh, thanks. I’m sure Utah is spectacular and hopefully I will get out there one day.

  98. upstate kate June 4th, 2010 at 10:22 am

    Yes, I agree, Phil should have been the 5th starter in ’08, and IPK was not ready at all. It was a mistake to have 2 young pitchers in the SR. I know Phil was injured for longer than he said, but he wasn’t injured the entire time. Both of them walked way too many and I think that was at least in part b/c there were not a lot of runs being scored for them.
    Anyway, it all worked out in the end. Phil has turned into the pitcher many of us believed he could be, and IPK is pitching in the NL west, a better fit for him.

  99. upstate kate June 4th, 2010 at 10:27 am

    Betsy
    UT is spectacular with all the red sandstone. Its just so different and exotic.
    I live in a beautiful place, w/ mountains, rivers and lakes, but the SW is just outstanding.

  100. Jerkface June 4th, 2010 at 10:29 am

    I did not have a problem with Hughes and IPK joining the rotation in 08. The reason being that Hughes had proved in 07 he could handle the majors. His injury was unfortunate. And IPK was the type of fast mover that deserved it. He was in college for a long time, dominated the minors, and pitched well in Sept of 07.

    Now I don’t have a problem with starting IPK, but I personally would not have done it because the type of pitcher he was didn’t scream immediate success. I guess Yankee talent evaluators thought otherwise, and I’m sure if his replacement was sucking people would have called for IPK to be starting thanks to his great minor league numbers.

    IPK gets a lot of flack but he really did destroy the minors. For a while we had Joba/Hughes/IPK absolutely killing the minor leagues.

  101. sab June 4th, 2010 at 10:32 am

    Damon enjoy 27….think 28 June 4th, 2010 at 9:10 am
    Cj Wilson 3-3 with a 3.48 Era, is 1-0 , 1.35 Era.

    Tb batting vs Wilson:
    W Aybar .1000
    Crawford .111
    The rest of team are 0’s or haven’t faced him.

    Wade Davis hasn’t faced Texas no stats , comes in 5-4 with a 4.04 Era

    Should be an interesting game. Go Texas.
    ***************************************

    So 2 weeks ago the Tampa Bay Rays played an afternoon game on a TUESDAY so they’d be able to get to New York at a decent time to rest up when they played the yankees the next day (the yankees played a night game against the redsox and we all know how late those games end)

    yesterday the rays had the day off for their travels to texas – while the rangers played a night game in chicago (i guess no getaway game for the rangers considering who they were playing next)…..just a guess but the rangers probably got to texas between 3 – 5 am while the rays were already in bed for 6 hours…

    anyone see a pattern here? it seems the rays are the anointed team this year that MLB has pinned their hopes to overthrow the yankees

    and no i’m not CR9….

  102. Sal June 4th, 2010 at 10:33 am

    We traded Austin Jackson ?

  103. Tom in N.J. June 4th, 2010 at 10:36 am

    Anybody know who the Yankees are looking to draft next week?

  104. Irreverent Discourse June 4th, 2010 at 10:39 am

    i’m gonna take a long shot and guess… a starter. since thats the only thing that should ever be drafted :p

  105. Cashman needs to go June 4th, 2010 at 10:41 am

    Tom in N.J. June 4th, 2010 at 10:36 am
    Anybody know who the Yankees are looking to draft next week?

    ************************************

    Probably a catcher, an average pitcher that will need Tommy John surgery in 3 years, or a high end high school player that has made rumblings he will go to college but Cashman will draft him anyway – oh and all 3 will probably be “represented” by Scott Boras

  106. JCPD..... June 4th, 2010 at 10:42 am

    MTU, I don’t know what GZ is either. Having traveled all 50 states and lived in Colorado and near the Adirondacks, it’s really hard for me to say where is best. The all have something special about them. I will say though, that I really enjoyed the 16,000+ Caucasus Mountains in Russia.

  107. Irreverent Discourse June 4th, 2010 at 10:44 am

    on what planet do the yankees need to draft a catcher?

  108. yanksfan44 June 4th, 2010 at 10:45 am

    Did you guys see this Red Sox D-bag yesterday? http://sotospeaks.com/2010/06/.....-sighting/

  109. Jerkface June 4th, 2010 at 10:46 am

    on what planet do the yankees need to draft a catcher?

    You don’t draft for Need anyways. Best player available every time.

  110. Betsy - Hughes rules (Pleading the Fifth) June 4th, 2010 at 10:46 am

    Kate, think he was injured beginning in ST – or, at least, he started feeling the effects of the beginning of the injury. Early in ST, Phil was great, but not so much later that spring. I don’t think he knew he was hurt at that time, but it’s just my suspicion that he was and that the fracture eventually got worse.

    Jerkface, I can’t remember at the time if I had a problem with IPK starting – I admit. I only know that looking back, did we want 2 kids in the rotation? Phil definitely earned a spot – did Ian based on 3 starts in September? I know he dominated the minors, but isn’t it true that not all dominant minor leaguers are considered great major league prospects?

  111. Mark in Tampa June 4th, 2010 at 10:47 am

    sab,

    The gametimes are chosen by the home club, the offdays are part of the schedule made by MLB. So, Tampa’s early afternoon game a few weeks ago was because the Rays scheduled the game at that time. The Rangers playing late last night was the White Sox choice to have a night game, not MLB. The exceptions are when the game is a national broadcast-FOX and ESPN games can supercede the time that the home team would like to play.

    So, apparently MLB, ESPN, the White Sox, and the Rays are all in on this conspiracy. ;)

  112. Cashman needs to go June 4th, 2010 at 10:48 am

    Irreverent Discourse June 4th, 2010 at 10:44 am
    on what planet do the yankees need to draft a catcher?
    ********

    Oh I don’t know – because they drafted about 8 of them the last 3 years knowing full well that you can only play one of them at a time – my previous post was supposed to be dripping with sarcasm in case you didn’t realize ;-)

  113. Irreverent Discourse June 4th, 2010 at 10:48 am

    wasn’t it an injury that forced IPK into the starting rotation that year?

  114. Betsy - Hughes rules (Pleading the Fifth) June 4th, 2010 at 10:48 am

    MTU, yes, the SW really is gorgeous, no doubt.

  115. Irreverent Discourse June 4th, 2010 at 10:48 am

    cashman need to go – sorry I can’t detect sarcasm in your posts. nothing you say ever makes sense.

  116. Noreaster June 4th, 2010 at 10:49 am

    Drafting last in the first round, the Yankees can either be opportunistic and see who drops to them or look to draft a ‘toolsey’ high school senior.

  117. Erin June 4th, 2010 at 10:50 am

    Irreverent Discourse June 4th, 2010 at 10:44 am
    on what planet do the yankees need to draft a catcher?

    **************************

    :lol:

  118. Jerkface June 4th, 2010 at 10:51 am

    but isn?t it true that not all dominant minor leaguers are considered great major league prospects?

    Yea, very true, but IPK didn’t have ‘fringe’ stuff. His fastball was 89-91, which you can get hitters out with, and he had a great changeup. He also had a curve and one other pitch which may have been a slider or something. His changeup and fastball command were supposed to give him strike out stuff and he would limit the damage that hitters would do if he missed his spot by not walking guys.

    Then he got to the majors and was just scared to throw strikes. I am not sure thats something that can be evaluated in the minors. I never read any reports on him pitching backwards or any of the stuff you read that generally screams trouble.

  119. Noreaster June 4th, 2010 at 10:51 am

    MTU, do you have any hikes planned this summer?

  120. Mark in Tampa June 4th, 2010 at 10:52 am

    I would have a happy life if I just never had to hear or read the word ‘toolsey’ again. :)

  121. Jerkface June 4th, 2010 at 10:53 am

    wasn?t it an injury that forced IPK into the starting rotation that year?

    As far as I remember, IPK was the 5th starter.

    Rotation was Wang, Moose, Pettitte, Hughes, IPK.

  122. Jerkface June 4th, 2010 at 10:54 am

    Then Wang got hurt, IPK sucked, and Hughes got hurt.

    So it was Moose, Pettitte, Joba, Rasner, Karstens/Train of suck.

  123. Guru Man June 4th, 2010 at 10:54 am

    I don’t want to say anyone was a fool for suggesting trading Cano a few years ago because anyone could be traded for the right price. Cano has the best wrists I have seen in a hitter in a long time, he also has excellent hand eye coordination and is very quick around 2nd base with the glove. I predicted a huge increase in OPS last year for him and even after a great increase I predicted more this year for him…he has great ability.

    Having this production from a middle infielder is worth more than a corner OF’r also.
    OPS of each guy:
    Cano – 1.046
    Kemp – .845
    Damon – .798
    A. Jackson – .850 (but I don’t think this will stay above .800)
    Matsui – .746
    Santana ERA – 2.76
    Ian Kennedy ERA – 3.38 (Surprisingly good with 11 HR’s)
    Hughes ERA – 2.54

  124. sab June 4th, 2010 at 10:55 am

    Mark in Tampa June 4th, 2010 at 10:47 am
    sab,

    The gametimes are chosen by the home club, the offdays are part of the schedule made by MLB. So, Tampa’s early afternoon game a few weeks ago was because the Rays scheduled the game at that time. The Rangers playing late last night was the White Sox choice to have a night game, not MLB. The exceptions are when the game is a national broadcast-FOX and ESPN games can supercede the time that the home team would like to play.

    So, apparently MLB, ESPN, the White Sox, and the Rays are all in on this conspiracy.
    ++++++++++++++++++++

    Thanks Mark – maybe i have been reading to much CR9 lately – I’m still going to keep an eye on the schedule and see how many off days the Rays have when they have to travel quite a distance the next day – and as for them scheduling a day game on a Tuesday – i guess when no one shows up to neither day or night games it does make sense to play in the afternoon and get on a plane earlier since the fans won’t be there anyway to watch them play..do you go to any of their games?

  125. Betsy - Hughes rules (Pleading the Fifth) June 4th, 2010 at 10:55 am

    Jerkface, good points. As I remember it now, ouch – IPK was brutal.

  126. GreenBeret7 June 4th, 2010 at 10:56 am

    Cashman needs to go June 4th, 2010 at 10:48 am
    Irreverent Discourse June 4th, 2010 at 10:44 am
    on what planet do the yankees need to draft a catcher?
    ********

    Oh I don’t know – because they drafted about 8 of them the last 3 years knowing full well that you can only play one of them at a time – my previous post was supposed to be dripping with sarcasm in case you didn’t realize

    ———————————————————————————————————————-

    Perhaps the sarcasm would drip more freely if there was some actual humor involved.

  127. Cashman needs to go June 4th, 2010 at 10:57 am

    Irreverent Discourse June 4th, 2010 at 10:48 am
    cashman need to go – sorry I can’t detect sarcasm in your posts. nothing you say ever makes sense
    ++

    My condolences on your lack of reading comprehension.

  128. 86w183 June 4th, 2010 at 10:59 am

    Baseball America suggests the Yanks eyes are on a couple of young Texas righthanders… Tyrell Jenkins and Zach Lee.

    Arizona State RHP Seth Blair, Texas Tech RHP Chad Bettis and Texas A&M RHP Barrett Loux are pitchers who might be available. Middle Tennessee St slugger Bryce Brentz and speedy Cal State Fullerton CF Gary Brown are other guys who may be there at No. 32.

  129. Betsy - Hughes rules (Pleading the Fifth) June 4th, 2010 at 10:59 am

    2008 was a brutal year, lol. The Yankees had one good stretch after the All Star game and that’s it………

  130. Irreverent Discourse June 4th, 2010 at 11:00 am

    cashman needs to go – My condolences on your lack of baseball comprehension.

  131. ac1 June 4th, 2010 at 11:01 am

    I dont think the Jays are that good. They got swept vs. Boston and lost 2-3 (both blown leads) vs. Tampa.

  132. MTU (aka GBURL) June 4th, 2010 at 11:01 am

    Noreaster-

    “MTU, do you have any hikes planned this summer?”

    Actually, a nearly impossible number of them.

    This season I hope to visit several more of the “crown jewels” of the area.

    JCPD-

    Just curious. Can you say what allowed you the opportunity you mentioned in the Caucasus ? Was it buisness or pleasure ? That is certainly a very unusual destination.

  133. Cashman needs to go June 4th, 2010 at 11:02 am

    I’m sorry I wasn’t aware that to be sarcastic you had to involve humor as well, maybe I can learn from you, if you ever actually type something funny – or correctly for that matter. Have a nice day.

  134. Irreverent Discourse June 4th, 2010 at 11:06 am

    come on now, 2008 was AWESOME

    IPK + Hughes = 17 starts = 0 wins
    Rasner + Ponson = 35 starts = 9 wins (decisions, i’m not looking up comebacks right now)

    So… 9 wins in 52 starts… and we still won 89 games that year… and people call that season a failure?

  135. Doreen - GTLU Stuff & Photos June 4th, 2010 at 11:06 am

    Having IPK and Hughes in the starting rotation that year was a calculated risk. Perhaps neither was 100% ready for the task, but it was assumed that the offense would cover a multitude of sins, giving room to grow, to speak. And both had shown a dominance in AAA that made it sound logical that they could learn more at the major league level than they could by continuing to retire the side in order in AAA.

    It was the perfect storm of negative events, though. Neither was effective, whether due to injury or nerves or whatever, AND the offense was really slow to get going, so there was no wiggle room.

    Add to that, it’s the NY Yankees, and well, it ended badly. :(

    As it turned out, IPK had an injury as well.

    I have always thought that if the offense did what it was counted on to do, the pressure on both of these young pitchers would have been at least slightly less. Each of them might have gotten a win or two. Might have. IPK, a control pitcher, was trying to be too fine. Hughes, we learned later, was pitching in pain. The Yankees needed everything to go well for the risk to succeed, and nothing went right.

  136. Erica in NY June 4th, 2010 at 11:08 am

    Cashman needs to go June 4th, 2010 at 10:41 am
    Tom in N.J. June 4th, 2010 at 10:36 am
    Anybody know who the Yankees are looking to draft next week?

    ************************************

    Probably a catcher, an average pitcher that will need Tommy John surgery in 3 years, or a high end high school player that has made rumblings he will go to college but Cashman will draft him anyway ? oh and all 3 will probably be ?represented? by Scott Boras

    ************

    For the record. I don’t agree with about 75% of what you say, but I did detect the sarcasm and chuckled. I though tit was funny

  137. Cashman needs to go June 4th, 2010 at 11:08 am

    ID – nice comeback. How can I ever top that one?!?!

    (sarcasm – for the grammatically challenged ones like yourself)

  138. JCPD..... June 4th, 2010 at 11:08 am

    MTU, strictly pleasure. I went to Russia in 05 and 06, renting an apartment between Moscow and St Pete. In 06, before Sochi was awarded the Winter Olympics, I decided take a flight down there to see the area before it had the chance to become too commercialized. They refer to Sochi as the Russian Riviera. It’s amazing to go from sea level (Sochi) to 16,000 feet in the span of about a one hour drive. I’ve always been one for the unusual!!

  139. m June 4th, 2010 at 11:09 am

    Hope to keep the win streak going this weekend.

    As for Hughes? I don’t get as upset with calls to trade him as much as Cano. Hughes was young, unfinishished, and injured a lot. Personally, I felt we should keep him because we saw glimpses of what he could do at the major league level when he was healthy. It was frustrating to watch at times, but anyone with any sense (of which even I have very little) could see that Phil didn’t quite have his legs under him after coming back from two lower extremity injuries.

    As for Cano? The worst thing is that people were calling for him to be traded after he had already shown his potential. He struggled after his breakout season, and people said, “Trade him! He’s a bum!” Now I don’t dismiss the possibility that he may not have worked as hard as he could to enhance his talent. I think he has hinted at as much. But, in my eyes he showed steady improvement in key areas every season. The last thing he needed to do was improve his RISP #s. Which he has. And I don’t see a single cry for him to be traded! Well, wadda ya know? It’s Robi Cano. :P

  140. mick June 4th, 2010 at 11:09 am

    hey Doreen

  141. Irreverent Discourse June 4th, 2010 at 11:09 am

    i don’t need to argue with a 9 year old. when you bring something intelligent to the conversation around here, let us know that you weren’t joking.

  142. stuckey June 4th, 2010 at 11:09 am

    “86w183″ said”

    “I wouldn’t make that trade today, but two off-seasons back making that deal and signing Orlando Hudson as a FA was not a bad strategy. The Yanks still do not have a corner OF prospect of note (Kemp could easily shift to RF).”

    Nick Swisher and his 4th highest OPS among outfielders (and 2nd among corner outfielders) say’s “what’s up?”

    If you listen closely in the distance you can make out Matt Kemp and his 23rd highest OPS among outfielders yelling “hey”.

  143. Mark in Tampa June 4th, 2010 at 11:09 am

    sab,

    I have been to a few of the games, but it is not very enjoyable, especially after being used to YS. If the Yankees or Boston aren’t the opponent, it is dead in the dome. If they are the opponent, the cowbells will make you miserable.

    Personally, I thought the Yankees got the benefit of great scheduling this year, for a change. They have gotten their Fenway games out of the way already, and don’t go back ther until the last series of the year, when things are likely decided. That is huge, IMO.

    They haven’t played Toronto until tonight, the last few years Toronto has been very tough in April and into May and then cooled considerably. So, hopefully they are hitting them at the right time.

    Their next west coast trip ends at the AS break, so they have 4 days before they play after coming back, and don’t have to deal with the jet lag. Also, their All-Stars are already on the WC and don’t have far to go.

    Also, their interleague schedule appears favorable, except for Philly.

  144. MTU (aka GBURL) June 4th, 2010 at 11:10 am

    I apologize to anyone who was offended at my turning the blog into a travelog again.

    When it comes to getting out there I guess I just go off the deep end, and my enthusiam and love of the outdoors just takes over.

    If anyone is interested in continuing that type of detailed discusssion
    please leave me your e-mail address and I will get back to you.

    Gotta run for now. back later. :)

  145. Shame Spencer June 4th, 2010 at 11:12 am

    Any word on when Wang is supposed to start doing any baseball activities? I was reading a little while ago it should be sometime in June but didn’t know if there was any update. I’m just curious to see how his career goes from here..

  146. MTU (aka GBURL) June 4th, 2010 at 11:12 am

    JCPD-

    “I’ve always been one for the unusual!!”

    Then we are kindred spirits.

    And now I really have to run.

  147. Cashman needs to go June 4th, 2010 at 11:13 am

    Thanks Erica – see even if we don’t agree 75% of the time we can still be cordial with one another and not have to start attacking..

    you truly are a beacon of light in an otherwise increasingly dim and colorless atmosphere

  148. Doreen - GTLU Stuff & Photos June 4th, 2010 at 11:13 am

    hey mick.

  149. m June 4th, 2010 at 11:13 am

    2008 was almost a miraculous season. Forget about the failures of IPK & Hughes for a bit. Think about the key guys we lost. Posada, Alex for a bit, Jeter for a bit, Hideki. Wang for half a season. Joba for a quarter of a season. What did we finish, 3 games out? I’m fairly confident that Wang alone for half a season would’ve helped steady the ship. Not trying to re-write history, just saying that 2008 should be looked at with a modicum of perspective. If you’re going to blame anyone, blame Pudge. ;)

  150. rj June 4th, 2010 at 11:14 am

    MTU (aka GBURL) June 4th, 2010 at 9:28 am
    86-

    I am sure we could go back and forth on this quite a bit.

    I was not meaning to denigrate Kemp as much as I was elevating Cano.

    For me Cano had/has Superstar written all over him.

    I am not sure Kemp will reach that level of play.

    Not to say, he won’t be excellent.

    But for me, Robbie has an Elite bat and glove, and that’s hard to match.

    By the way, I never bought into all that Cano downtalk. I just figured he was having a subpar season which all players do in the course of their development.

    My apologies if I insulted you earlier but I feel very strongly about Cano as you can tell.

    He kind of reminds me of Carew with power and a gold glove thrown in.

    ===================================================

    Yep, I too have always seen a lot of Carew in him. And Carew was one of my faves back in the day, I remember the year he made a run at .400, it was a season-long streak of where Robbie is at recently. Awesome hitter.

  151. mick June 4th, 2010 at 11:14 am

    Doreen,
    I responded to a few of your posts…

  152. Irreverent Discourse June 4th, 2010 at 11:15 am

    I’m not all that worried about toronto this weekend. Sure they’ve been hot as hell, but only against sub-par opponents. A brief peek at their schedule shows me their pitching folds against even decent lineups. They’ve lost 5 games to boston, 5 to LAA, 2 to CWS and 2 to TB… and beat all the other crap teams they’ve played. We are going to light them up, whether it happens in the first few innings, or against the joke they call a bullpen.

  153. Erin June 4th, 2010 at 11:15 am

    I’m starting to get a little depressed with all of this 2008 talk. LOL

  154. Betsy - Hughes rules (Pleading the Fifth) June 4th, 2010 at 11:16 am

    M, I could understand those who thought that Cash should make the Santana deal (though I disagreed with it very strongly). What I objected to was how Phil was trashed left and right by fans who thought he was an overrated, overhyped bust who was no more than a #4 – at best. I think a lot of it had to do with Joba also. Fans saw Joba throw 98 MPH and they figured Phil was expendable. Many fans didn’t care that Phil was injured or rehabbing for much of his time in NY; they didn’t like that he didn’t throw 98 MPH and, as such, he was fairly worthless.

  155. Doreen - GTLU Stuff & Photos June 4th, 2010 at 11:16 am

    Cashman needs to go -

    I’ve mostly been skimming this morning, in between phone calls and letter writing, so I missed the original interchange.

    I agree with Erica – that was pretty witty.

  156. Tom in N.J. June 4th, 2010 at 11:17 am

    Chien-Ming Wang targeted for July debut
    The Nationals are planning on rehabbing starting pitcher Chien-Ming Wang making his season debut around July 1, a team official said. The Nationals originally anticipated Wang pitching by June.

    Wang, currently on the 60-day disabled list, did not experience any kind of significant setback. Arm strength has just been slightly behind schedule returning to his surgically repaired right shoulder, a delay the Nationals do not expect to hinder Wang beyond the typical complications from recovering from surgery.

    http://voices.washingtonpost.c.....for_j.html

  157. Betsy - Hughes rules (Pleading the Fifth) June 4th, 2010 at 11:17 am

    M, that’s not how I view 2008. I don’t think that team was that good and the offense was a big disappointment with RISP. They played like zombies for most of the 2nd half of the season.

  158. Doreen - GTLU Stuff & Photos June 4th, 2010 at 11:17 am

    mick

    Sorry – I’ve been skimming mostly this morning. I’ll go back. :)

  159. Irreverent Discourse June 4th, 2010 at 11:18 am

    erin – the point we were hedging around was that season was not really that much of a disappointment. unfortunate? sure… but considering what we had to work with we outperformed lots of teams in better situations.

  160. m June 4th, 2010 at 11:18 am

    I’m only worried about today’s game (there is a game today right?). AJ’s been great, the offense’s heated up. But it’s one game at a time, back to series-winning ways. Hopefully, AJ won’t let his emotions get the best of him because it’s in Toronto. But for heaven’s sakes stay off the fat of the plate. Toronto can mash, and they can make late runs. They’re like a new team.

  161. Noreaster June 4th, 2010 at 11:19 am

    2008 made 2009 all the sweeter.

  162. ron June 4th, 2010 at 11:19 am

    The 2008 season might have gotten us cc,burnett,tex,swisher.

  163. Mike_Boston June 4th, 2010 at 11:20 am

    Totally unrelated of course but Drogba fracturing his arm in a friendly tune-up, almost hard to imagine!! Has to be a top 5 worst injury ever, at least that I can think of off the top of my head.

  164. Erin June 4th, 2010 at 11:22 am

    Irreverent Discourse June 4th, 2010 at 11:18 am
    erin ? the point we were hedging around was that season was not really that much of a disappointment. unfortunate? sure? but considering what we had to work with we outperformed lots of teams in better situations.

    ****************************
    Irreverent, I know-and without 2008 happening, 2009 might not have (CC, AJ, Tex, etc)

    But I can’t help but get the tiniest bit depressed when thinking of that season. ;)

  165. Cashman needs to go June 4th, 2010 at 11:22 am

    Irreverent Discourse meet SJ44 – you two seem to be on the same wavelength that you resort to calling people children when you have no other adjective in your 2 page thesaurus

    as for me joking or not – if you couldn’t tell that my suggesting they draft another catcher was a joke then maybe its you that lacks baseball comprehension

    good day sir (or madam not sure by your name tag)

  166. Irreverent Discourse June 4th, 2010 at 11:23 am

    ron – i totally agree. if we would have limped into the playoffs (the team was hot, but we weren’t getting by phily that year i don’t think) they wouldn’t have been as inclined to shell out $500mil

  167. Irreverent Discourse June 4th, 2010 at 11:24 am

    cashman needs to go – get over it. you need to go.

  168. Noreaster June 4th, 2010 at 11:24 am

    ron June 4th, 2010 at 11:19 am

    The 2008 season might have gotten us cc,burnett,tex,swisher.
    ==================================================

    Those guys really changed the locker room. Swisher was the real surprise. We gave up nothing and got back an OBP/Power guy.

  169. Doreen - GTLU Stuff & Photos June 4th, 2010 at 11:24 am

    Okay -

    Re: “twittering twits:” I do have to admit that that activity did make me stay away from here after a certain point last night; but I spend too much time here to begin with! :lol: I suppose it’s one thing to have discussions on soccer, b-ball, football, sitcoms, but the nature of the posts last night wasn’t conducive to discussion or participation, even. And they weren’t really ignorable, except to go away altogether.

    I tend toward tolerance, though, because if I have a day where I’m going off-topic a bit, and I’m tolerated, then I feel I need to extend the same courtesy. But there is going too far.

    Re: Breaking up the trio. I never feel comfortable talking about what’s going on in the dugout among teammates. I mean Swisher and Cano still do their special celebrations, there’s still special handshakes, etc. I just chalk it up to gradual maturation. But reasonable people can disagree on what they think was going on. Whatever the situation may or may not have been, like where Robinson Cano is at right now.

    And now, I’ve get to head out before the day disappears on me. :)

  170. m June 4th, 2010 at 11:26 am

    Betsy,

    Not sure what the Yankees would’ve done had they gotten to the postseason that year, they’ve looked like zombies since midway through the 2004 playoffs. However, I’m fairly confident that the Yankees would’ve made it had they had their defacto ace and Posada alone. And if, you know, Tampa stuck to their cellar dwellar role. :mad:

    And, you know, Betsy. I was peeved, too. But Hughes’ success has made me all soft and mushy inside. Those days seem so long ago. And I guess I’m content enough to believe that no one said silly stuff about Hughes and wanted to ship him off.

  171. Doreen - GTLU Stuff & Photos June 4th, 2010 at 11:27 am

    My last post was supposed to be directed to “mick.”

  172. Cashman needs to go June 4th, 2010 at 11:27 am

    Doreen – thanks, you’re right up there with Erica in my book!!

  173. Shame Spencer June 4th, 2010 at 11:27 am

    Tom – Thanks! I heard that the Yankees organization didn’t stick with him because they privately thought Wang was finished for good and would never regain his ability to keep the ball down. I was hoping we would keep him just in case (cant ever have enough starting pitching IMO) and give him a ton of time to rehab since we had all the starters we needed. I’m very curious to see what his season ends up looking like.

  174. Erica in NY June 4th, 2010 at 11:30 am

    Cashman needs to go June 4th, 2010 at 11:13 am
    Thanks Erica ? see even if we don?t agree 75% of the time we can still be cordial with one another and not have to start attacking..

    you truly are a beacon of light in an otherwise increasingly dim and colorless atmosphere
    *********

    Thank you :-)

  175. Irreverent Discourse June 4th, 2010 at 11:30 am

    shame – it’s very hard to throw that sinker… being 2 years removed from throwing it effectively it’s very likely it could take him an entire season to get that pitch back.

  176. Rishi June 4th, 2010 at 11:31 am

    :arrow:

    pitching match ups

  177. Irreverent Discourse June 4th, 2010 at 11:31 am

    cashman needs to go – you got something on your nose.

  178. Betsy - Hughes rules (Pleading the Fifth) June 4th, 2010 at 11:31 am

    M, I think they would have gotten swept in the first round; they really just were not very good.

    I don’t spend time thinking about those that wanted to dump Phil – only if the topic comes up. There’s still a long way to go in the season, but it is gratifying to see pundits/experts come around

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    “It’s that type of nonsense that ruins it here, even more than the imposters, at least they go away. “Twitterish” activity is just that, a running monologue by twits without a following.”

    That should read “Twit”.

    The ‘all-things Boston is bad/sports officials are corrupt’ crowd is ONE person.

    This should be perfectly plain to everyone.

    None of the “other” posters who espouse this POV ever seem to come around if the “mother” ID doesn’t happen to be around.

    Curious that…

  180. Guru Man June 4th, 2010 at 11:41 am

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