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Postgame notes: “He’s our 3 hitter”

Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Notes, Podcast on Jun 05, 2010 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

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Fifty-five games into the season, Mark Teixeira is hitting .215 with 34 RBI. He had three hits in the previous two games, but seemed to hit a new sort of low with five strikeouts tonight.

“I had a bad day,” he said. “The last couple of days felt really good. I just didn’t see the ball today.”

Hardly any of the Yankees seemed to see the ball today. The heart of the order — Teixeira, Alex Rodriguez and Robinson Cano — went 1-for-18 with seven strikeouts. They played 14 innings and scored only on Derek Jeter’s two-run homer in the fifth. Aside from Jeter (2-for-6), Nick Swisher (double and two walks) and Brett Gardner (reached base four times) it’s hard to say any of the Yankees had a good day at the plate, but the numbers are worst for Teixeira.

“He’s our 3 hitter,” Girardi said. “We haven’t talked about changing anything. And when he was on fire in the month of May, no one was saying anything. He’ll get hot again.”

Why the faith in Teixeira? “His track record and I have seen some good things,” Girardi said.

How much longer would the struggles have to continue to lose faith? “We have to go a lot longer than this,” Girardi said.

Here’s Teixeira talking after the game.

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And here’s Girardi.

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Yankees Blue Jays Baseball• Because this was a road game, Girardi said he never considered using Mariano Rivera with the game tied. “It’s not something we like to do,” he said. “If you’re going to go two innings with him, it’s something you might do, but I wasn’t going to use Mo for two innings today.” To win the game, the Yankees were going to have to use someone other than Rivera anyway.

• Andy Pettitte said he had some trouble keeping his ball down in the early innings. “I had a big wind in my face and the first couple innings,” he said. “Some of my four-seamers were running like two-seamers, and that never ever happens to me. Me and Cervi were trying to figure out what we needed to do out there, and I settled into a pretty good rhythm for sure.”

• The home run by Vernon Wells was up and away, not a bad pitch Pettitte said. The home run to Alex Gonzalez was the one that bothered Pettitte. “It was actually exactly where I wanted to go with it,” Pettitte said. “But anytime you’ve got a one-run game and you’re leading and you get hurt on a ball inside, that’s not what you want to do. I felt like I was staying away an awful lot through the middle innings. I felt like I had to run some balls in, but he was one up on me on that.”

• Great night for the bullpen, with Joba Chamberlain, Damaso Marte, Dave Robertson and Chan Ho Park getting the Yankees into the 14th. That’s when Chad Gaudin walked the lead-off man and hung a slider. “You’ve got guys battling out there for 14 innings,” Gaudin said. “To let the team down like that, it hurts.”

• It was a cutter that Derek Jeter lined to second base in the seventh inning. There were runners at second and third with one out, and Jeter did exactly what he was supposed to do — hit a ball hard up the middle — but he lined into a bad-luck double play. “I would like to direct it somewhere else,” Jeter said. “But unfortunately you can’t do that.”

• Like Girardi said a few times after the game, you can’t blame the pitching for this one. Obviously Guadin took the loss, but this game was on the offense. “They’ve done a pretty good job, moving fastball in and out, throwing offspeed pitches, keeping us off balance,” Jeter said. “It’s not like they were pitching us all one particular way. They pitched better than us.”

• A friendly reminder: Online voting is underway for the Triple-A all-star game. Follow the link to vote.

Associated Press photos of Teixeira and of Pettitte during a meeting on the mound.

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280 Responses to “Postgame notes: “He’s our 3 hitter””

  1. Jimmy June 5th, 2010 at 7:30 pm

    “You’ve got guys battling out there for 14 innings,” Gaudin said. “To let the team down like that, it hurts.”

    ————————-

    Your fault for walking the lead-off guy.

  2. m June 5th, 2010 at 7:30 pm

    Would love a 3 hitter from Tex!

    ___________________________________________________________

    Repost:

    I can understand Joe?s loyalty, and Tex has banked a lot of goodwill. Alex and Jeter have both gone through extended slumps, and have emerged.

    Hopefully K-Long can get through to Tex and have him make the proper adjustments

  3. Betsy - Hughes rules (pleading the Fifth) June 5th, 2010 at 7:33 pm

    Tex was not on fire in May………..

  4. vinny-b (Brett Gardner will never see the bench again) June 5th, 2010 at 7:35 pm

    why does Texeria receive built-in excuses, while every other Yankee player gets targeted heavily when not hitting ??

    fair is fair

  5. Joe June 5th, 2010 at 7:37 pm

    I guess on fire = 3 HRs against Jonathan Van Every.

    Dating back to last postseason, Tex has been one of the worst players in baseball. Almost 300 ABs with a sub .200 BA

  6. m June 5th, 2010 at 7:38 pm

    Oh, and a day off after a 5K performance is neither unexpected nor punitive. It can be a good thing.

  7. DMan June 5th, 2010 at 7:39 pm

    Javy is going tomorrow, so we are in good hands.

  8. pat June 5th, 2010 at 7:39 pm

    m

    I’m not advocating moving Tex in the line-up but have to ask……exactly when did he bank all the goodwill?

  9. LGY June 5th, 2010 at 7:41 pm

    Girardi did not say how long that fire lasted.

    I can tell you from living very close to a firehouse, these NYC firefighters are very quick to the scene ;)

  10. Betsy - Hughes rules (pleading the Fifth) June 5th, 2010 at 7:41 pm

    Pat, last year……….at least from Joe’s perspective.

    Tex was MIA when we needed him in April last year and he’s been MIA for these two months. I don’t think we should kill him ,but Vinny’s right – he should be criticized the way that Alex, Jeter, etc…have.

  11. MTU (aka GBURL) June 5th, 2010 at 7:43 pm

    What happened in here did someone run over the The Yankee’s Mascot ?

    It just one game in one series in one small part of a very long season.

    Here’s something to think about:

    Some things just look like they suck but they don’t really.

    On the other hand, some things really do suck.

    Like Joe Worst

    Or Selig not reverseing Joyce’s call

    Or Youkilis’s face

    Or Matt Garza’s beard

    Or running out of beer on a hot day.

    Those things really suck in a permanent sort of way.

    Being in 2nd place in the toughest division in baseball with the 2nd best record in early June doesn’t suck. Not at all.

    Tex. He sucks right now but I don’t think he really “sucks”. It’s just a temporary form of “suck”. Not total, complete and unending “suck”.

    Is that clear ? :)

  12. Rusty June 5th, 2010 at 7:50 pm

    Teixeira continues as the No. 3 hitter ? Ludicrous !

    There’s such a thing as loyal to a fault and that’s what Girardi is doing. If not for being on the road, both Girardi and his 1st baseman would hear it from the Stadium fans – - BIG TIME.

  13. MTU (aka GBURL) June 5th, 2010 at 7:50 pm

    Being dead sucks.

    The Sun exploding sucks.

    Paying taxes sucks.

    Being mean to Animals sucks.

    Cruelty sucks.

    In fact we all suck some of the time but the important thing is to not
    suck permanently. That sucks. So if you happen to suck right now don’t worry because you still have time to change it. If you run out of time and you still suck. Well, what can I say, it sucks.

    Comprendo ?

  14. Bronx Born June 5th, 2010 at 7:51 pm

    MTU you are so righteously correct!

  15. MTU (aka GBURL) June 5th, 2010 at 7:53 pm

    Bronx-

    Let me ask you a question ?

    Do you think I suck ?

  16. Bronx Born June 5th, 2010 at 7:54 pm

    MTU (aka GBURL)

    Let me ask you a question ?

    Do you think I suck ?
    —————————–

    No my friend you are good people as we used to say back in the day.

  17. Dylan June 5th, 2010 at 7:54 pm

    Girardi is ridiculous sometimes. Tex was “on fire” for MAYBE 3-4 games in May. He has struggled all season. Its more than just a slump now. He has been terrible all year and its already been 1/3 of a season. It sometimes seems like Girardi doesn’t do anything just because he is afraid to hurt a players feelings. Tex either needs to get dropped in the lineup, or he needs to take a couple days off. He is really hurting the team right now. Joe should do whats best for the team, and not whats best for his players ego.

  18. MTU (aka GBURL) June 5th, 2010 at 7:57 pm

    Bronx-

    Thanks but my answer would be that I do suck and as nice as you are so do you.

    But I would like to think we both don’t suck in the permanent sort of way so there’s still hope for us.

    Don’t die if you still suck that would be bad. Get it corrected before then, OK ? :)

  19. jared June 5th, 2010 at 7:58 pm

    Tex needs to be in the 8th slot for a spell. Let him work his problems out there – not with runners on base in important games like this. He’s making a lot of money to be hitting .200 as the 3 hitter on the world series champions. jeez.

  20. Bronx Born June 5th, 2010 at 8:01 pm

    Nah MTU, don’t believe that for a moment. Truly the only person other than imposters on this blog that drives me crazy. His pompostic analysis of every at bat and every pitch just makes me nuts. I can’t stand to read him and when I do wanna kick myself in the butt when I do. So in that instant I do suck but am pretty cool the rest of the time… :)

  21. Bronx Born June 5th, 2010 at 8:02 pm

    I wish I had been skilled enough to play baseball and then smart enough to manage. Then I would not have to be on this blog… :)

  22. rconn23 June 5th, 2010 at 8:02 pm

    Tex’s “hot” streak was amplified by the 4-5 with 3 HR game at Fenway. Otherwise, he’s largely been terrible.

    That being said, I don’t think there’s really any other choice than to leave him the No. 3 slot.

    Obvious move is to bump up A-Rod and Cano.

    However, while Cano is having a great year, not sure if he’s selective enough to hit higher up. When you don’t take youe walks, you’re going to be more prone to cold streaks.

    It’s that lack of plate discipline that will likely stop Cano from reaching elite level status, i.e Pujols, Mauer.

    That’s not the knock it seems, Cano is still a terrific player and a superstar.

  23. I Collect Brett Gardner Cards June 5th, 2010 at 8:02 pm

    why no cano in the 3 spot?

  24. Doreen - GTLU Stuff & Photos June 5th, 2010 at 8:03 pm

    I was so hoping when I got home tonight it would be to good news, but I really didn’t think it would be – the longer you go extra innings on the road, the less the chances that the road team wins the game. usually the home team walks off with the win in this situation.

    Tex had a particularly bad day, but no one really had a good one. Shame to waste such a stellar effort by Pettitte – too bad he had to let that 2nd run score!!!!

    The good take-away is the bullpen really did do a great job until the end.

    The stinky thing is where are the Blue Jays that had a bullpen that stunk it up a few days ago???

    Oh, well.

  25. m June 5th, 2010 at 8:03 pm

    pat,

    He’s been in baseball a long time, and without looking at his stats, I think (not positive) that he’s been a pretty consistent, good player.

    Not positive, but I can safely say he’s not a scrub. And he’s not a head case.

    Twere I? I’d have him bat from one side until he gets going.

  26. SJ44 June 5th, 2010 at 8:04 pm

    You don’t work out your problems hitting 8th. He won’t get any pitches to hit.

    If moving him to 8th was the answer, it would have been done already.

  27. ron June 5th, 2010 at 8:06 pm

    We are going to be fine.

    I just wish we can fix the dh mess & go back to having that nice offensive catching advantage that we had for years.

    Posada catching with a good dh lengthens the lineup.The problem now is with posada dh’ing we have no catcher that can produce & when posada catches soon we have no dh that scares anybody.

    How long has it been since that was the case?

  28. Joe is playing scared June 5th, 2010 at 8:06 pm

    Could you find a better picture of the HORSE-FACE Teixeira. That’s Joe’s problem, he’s looking at what Mar has done, instead of what he’s doing. He’s killing the team Joe!

  29. mick June 5th, 2010 at 8:07 pm

    Listen naysayers!
    If we keep up the pace of winning 75% of our games at home that means about 60 wins there.

    If we split our 82 road games, that’s another 41. Total= 101 wins.

    Good enough for a wild card?
    P.S…
    I think we will win more than 41 on the road.

    What me worry? Alfred E. Newman :)

  30. MTU (aka GBURL) June 5th, 2010 at 8:09 pm

    Bronx-

    I understand. I was just trying to point out the different levels of suck and their relative importance in life.

    Temporary suck is normal.

    Extended suck is disheartening.

    Permanent suck is bad.

    Most people fluctuate between temporary suck and extended suck during their lives but it is imperative not to spill over into permanent suck because then there is no more hope, and no more time to unsuck yourself. So you get stuck with suck. For good.

  31. Trevor June 5th, 2010 at 8:12 pm

    Teixeira was “on fire” in May? I’ve must have missed it. :| He had a hand full of games he hit in other than that he was MIA.

  32. Damon enjoy 27....think 28 June 5th, 2010 at 8:14 pm

    Guthrie 62 pitches after 5, still no runs. He’s pitching better than Lester.

  33. Doreen - GTLU Stuff & Photos June 5th, 2010 at 8:15 pm

    It is Joe Girardi’s habit to not only not throw his own players under the bus, but to build them up. I am not worried about Teixeira in the long run, and as bad as he was today (I did catch a couple of his at-bats) it wasn’t like he was the only one today (and yesterday for that matter) who wasn’t able to get it done. This was more about the entire team not performing well offensively the last two days. You can’t pin either loss on only Tex. Although, if he had hit today, we don’t know if that would have been the difference.

  34. mick June 5th, 2010 at 8:17 pm

    What was Cisco doing, running from 3rd with 1 out on Jeter’s line drive.
    That is simple baseball 101. You took the bat out of Swisher on deck and 2nd and 3rd.
    Mindless.

  35. mick June 5th, 2010 at 8:19 pm

    I am sorry but Posada will have to catch again and we will have to acquire a DH.
    We usually make a big pickup by the trade deadline.

  36. mick June 5th, 2010 at 8:19 pm

    And btw the bullpen was great today, aside from gaudin of course.

  37. Joe is playing scared June 5th, 2010 at 8:20 pm

    That’s right keep making excuses for Horse face, when the Yankees don’t make postseason, The brain trust can ship you right off the team.

  38. MTU (aka GBURL) June 5th, 2010 at 8:20 pm

    Mick-

    Cervelli was engaging in another form of suck. Momentary suck.

    Like a brain fart. That’s momentary suck.

    See my post above for the others.

  39. Bronx Born June 5th, 2010 at 8:23 pm

    MTU – you are right – it is most important to not be stuck in suck.

  40. Billy D June 5th, 2010 at 8:26 pm

    “Guthrie 62 pitches after 5, still no runs. He’s pitching better than Lester”

    Guthrie is quietly having a very nice season. Best player on the O’s this year hands down.

  41. m June 5th, 2010 at 8:28 pm

    I am really rooting for Guthrie today. :)

  42. Carl June 5th, 2010 at 8:28 pm

    # Joe is playing scared June 5th, 2010 at 7:17 pm

    Cardindals tied 4-4 Brewers in the top of the 10th, and LaRussa has his closer in the game . What a closer in the game in the 10th? shhhhh don’t tell Joe.

    Cards are at home.

  43. mick June 5th, 2010 at 8:28 pm

    This place sucks.
    The regulars have either gotten lives or abandoned ship.
    Can’t wait for the “twits” to come on board.
    They are the result of the imposters and trolls takeover.
    By then I will be long gone too.
    Adios, we had a good thing goin’.

  44. Horse face Teixeira better start hitting!! June 5th, 2010 at 8:29 pm

    Tex voted to the ASG is a huge disadvantage for the AL. Halladay will eat him up, or any NL pitcher at this stage!

  45. I Collect Brett Gardner Cards June 5th, 2010 at 8:29 pm

    didnt tex say like two weeks ago he was gonna come out of this soon?

  46. m June 5th, 2010 at 8:30 pm

    Where will Girardi bat Tex in the ASG?!

  47. Billy D June 5th, 2010 at 8:32 pm

    “Where will Girardi bat Tex in the ASG?!”

    Wouldn’t bet against voters coming to their senses. I don’t believe the lead over Morneau was a very big one.

  48. Carl June 5th, 2010 at 8:33 pm

    # Jimmy June 5th, 2010 at 7:30 pm

    “You’ve got guys battling out there for 14 innings,” Gaudin said. “To let the team down like that, it hurts.”

    ————————-

    Your fault for walking the lead-off guy.

    14 innings. Can’t blame Chad. Would have delayed the inevitable.

  49. Damon enjoy 27....think 28 June 5th, 2010 at 8:38 pm

    Guthrie is doing great so far, maybe the new coach helped, only 77 pitches, no runs through 6 innings.

  50. lemon June 5th, 2010 at 8:39 pm

    # Horse face Teixeira better start hitting!! June 5th, 2010 at 8:29 pm

    Tex voted to the ASG is a huge disadvantage for the AL. Halladay will eat him up, or any NL pitcher at this stage!

    —————–

    lmao

  51. Texeria to AAA June 5th, 2010 at 8:43 pm

    When we come home to play the Astros. I am going to boo Texeria!

  52. melladie June 5th, 2010 at 8:46 pm

    mick June 5th, 2010 at 8:28 pm

    This place sucks.
    The regulars have either gotten lives or abandoned ship.
    Can’t wait for the “twits” to come on board.
    They are the result of the imposters and trolls takeover.
    By then I will be long gone too.
    Adios, we had a good thing goin’.

    It seems that the only twit is you. Whining and moaning for no reason.

  53. Carl June 5th, 2010 at 8:46 pm

    # Texeria to AAA June 5th, 2010 at 8:43 pm

    When we come home to play the Astros. I am going to boo Texeria!

    Sure Tex doesn’t care about you booing at your TV.

  54. Horse face Teixeira better start hitting!! June 5th, 2010 at 8:48 pm

    m
    Joe will over-manage the ASG, like he does the Yankees and the NL will have bragging right, watch!

  55. MTU (aka GBURL) June 5th, 2010 at 8:50 pm

    Bronx-

    “it is most important to not be stuck in suck.”

    Fortunately, most people are equipped with multiple gears and they can shift freely out of suck rather than being stuck in it.

    Unfortunately, as you point out in your work some only seem to have one gear and they are the ones who are stuck in suck, and they cause great misery to others. They are in permanent and unending suck, and they will know it when they pass on. ;)

  56. Josh June 5th, 2010 at 8:50 pm

    Youk homers

    Sox are gonna win tonight again

  57. Remote June 5th, 2010 at 8:53 pm

    Looks like horse face has been put put to pasture

    really need a guy like Werth on the team next year who won’t take 1\2 a season off every year.

  58. pat June 5th, 2010 at 8:54 pm

    m

    I just looked at his splits and would probably go with Tex being a good but streaky hitter instead of a consistently good hitter.

    If Joba said what Tex did postgame today, he would be getting killed for it

  59. tampayank June 5th, 2010 at 8:55 pm

    “# Dylan June 5th, 2010 at 7:54 pm

    Girardi is ridiculous sometimes. Tex was “on fire” for MAYBE 3-4 games in May. He has struggled all season. Its more than just a slump now. He has been terrible all year and its already been 1/3 of a season. It sometimes seems like Girardi doesn’t do anything just because he is afraid to hurt a players feelings. Tex either needs to get dropped in the lineup, or he needs to take a couple days off. He is really hurting the team right now. Joe should do whats best for the team, and not whats best for his players ego.

    I agree, it’s ridiculous…it’s not just a ‘April’ anymore and it pains to watch his uppercut swing at times where it’s HR or K and not much else usually. He’s had AROD hitting behind him the whole season also. He’s a stud defensively but maybe he’s a bit overrated. He should be hitting 7th or 8th

  60. Pepitone June 5th, 2010 at 8:56 pm

    “He’s our 3 hitter,” Girardi said. “We haven’t talked about changing anything. And when he was on fire in the month of May, no one was saying anything. He’ll get hot again.”
    ====================
    So, that’s the strategy?

    Leave him in the 3 hole, then hope and pray for the best.

    Meantime he’s killing your team in that position.

    I don’t know, but that just doesn’t seem smart to me. But, he’s the manager, he should know what he’s doing. He certainly did the job last year. So, I’m sure he’s right …

    I hope.

  61. steveoh June 5th, 2010 at 8:57 pm

    Tex should be moved down and hit no higher than 6th. Jeter-Swisher-Cano-Arod-Posada-then either Granderson or Tex 6/7.

    Saying he won’t get any pitches to hit batting 8th is not too bright. Presumably he is getting pitches to hit batting in front of Arod, and it’s not working. If someone feels strongly about it, then he can hit 9th, in front of Jeter, and he’ll “get pitches to hit”.

  62. pat June 5th, 2010 at 8:57 pm

    “When we come home to play the Astros. I am going to boo Texeria!”

    And that would accomplish…what?

  63. Big Pun June 5th, 2010 at 8:59 pm

    Maybe the guy just can’t handle pressure? In Texas and Atlanta, he played where nobody cared so maybe he didn’t feel any pressure and his swing didn’t abandon him

    Now, he faces pressure everyday and it looks like that nervousness has translated to him losing his swing and bring screwed up mechanically. He literally cannot even put good contact on off-speed pitches. Changes up from lefties, forget about it.

    I think if he plays some games in the minors, he won’t feel pressure and he will get his swing back, then we can bring him up.

  64. melladie June 5th, 2010 at 9:00 pm

    pat June 5th, 2010 at 8:57 pm

    “When we come home to play the Astros. I am going to boo Texeria!”

    And that would accomplish…what?

    It would accomplish stupidity.

  65. Erica in NY June 5th, 2010 at 9:00 pm

    MTU-

    If you are still out there, I just got home and saw your post from this morning and wanted to respond.

    1) Thank you very much. Its the kind posters like you that keep me coming back
    2) I would never let my true emotions show in the situation. I learned a long time ago that when bullies see they are getting to you, they will just do it more. My approach is always to laugh along and then deal with it in the correct manner. Interacting any further last night would have just created even more unpleasentness for everyone on the board and I would never want that.
    3) I really have no idea what the goal of that person is, but I can a-sure them- being me isn’t always as glamorous as it seems!

  66. DMan June 5th, 2010 at 9:02 pm

    Cashman has to intervene here.

    Girardi is a soft-serve ice cream machine when it comes to handling issues like this. He simply is too nice, a quality that won’t get you very far in life (or as a manager).

    This is where the GM needs to step in like he did for the A-Rod situation in Miami last year. If the manager is too clueless to make a change, the GM has to be smart enough to.

  67. tampayank June 5th, 2010 at 9:05 pm

    “# DMan June 5th, 2010 at 9:02 pm

    Cashman has to intervene here.

    Girardi is a soft-serve ice cream machine when it comes to handling issues like this. He simply is too nice, a quality that won’t get you very far in life (or as a manager).

    This is where the GM needs to step in like he did for the A-Rod situation in Miami last year. If the manager is too clueless to make a change, the GM has to be smart enough to.

    yeah Girardi can look at a teddy bear and start crying

  68. Betsy - Hughes rules (pleading the Fifth) June 5th, 2010 at 9:06 pm

    Cashman interfering would be the worst thing that could happen; he might as well manage the team.

    Tex needs to be dropped, even if it’s just for a few days. No one is saying it would be permanent, but pretending a problem doesn’t exist doesn’t help. Will it fix Tex to be dropped? No, but it can’t hurt him and it might help the team win a few more games while he’s trying to figure it out.

  69. tampayank June 5th, 2010 at 9:06 pm

    anyone watching the Cotto-Yuri fight tonight?

  70. Josh June 5th, 2010 at 9:07 pm

    I think Joe owns Tex more than that after winning a WS with him last year and watching him finish 2nd in MVP voting. He can’t just drop him in the order, what do you think that will do to his confidence?

    Girardi has to stick with that got him here and that is Tex hitting 3rd.

  71. Lou-in-Vermont June 5th, 2010 at 9:07 pm

    Regarding Tex, I am reminded of Yogi’s great saying: “It’s getting late early”.

  72. Damon enjoy 27....think 28 June 5th, 2010 at 9:07 pm

    Lester was afraid of Lugo and walked him, loading the bases, with 102 pitches

  73. pat June 5th, 2010 at 9:08 pm

    Tex by the numbers-

    http://espn.go.com/blog/new-yo.....the-change

  74. steveoh June 5th, 2010 at 9:11 pm

    Torre had A-Rod hitting low in the order at one point, I think even 9th, and it might have even been the postseason. He seemed to recover and then was moved back up. It didn’t destroy his confidence. Tex could easily be moved back up if/when he starts hitting consistently again.

  75. Billy D June 5th, 2010 at 9:13 pm

    Jeez! The Orioles really do seem to fear the rbi.

  76. Billy D June 5th, 2010 at 9:15 pm

    Interesting stuff Pat. Didn’t notice the trouble with the change-up for Teixeira. I actually figured something was up batting left handed, where his numbers are deplorable.

  77. pat June 5th, 2010 at 9:15 pm

    Torre used to move Alex up in the order to 2nd to break him out of slumps during the season.

  78. Horse face Teixeira better start hitting!! June 5th, 2010 at 9:18 pm

    Can the Yankees get a refund on TEX? I’M TIRED OF THE EXCUSES, Ortiz is batting .260, not great but he contributes.

  79. backbench June 5th, 2010 at 9:20 pm

    MT’s troubles at the plate started before the post season last year. He has been AWOL offensively ever since.

    Didn’t Madden and the Rays go after him and hit him in the arm/elbow around that time? Is there something nagging at him that we are not aware of?

  80. MTU(aka GBURL) June 5th, 2010 at 9:21 pm

    Erica-

    I understand and you are quite welcome. Thank you for taking the time to acknowledge the sentiment. No one should talk to a lady like that. Not in cyberspace. Not in the real world.
    Not anywhere. :)

  81. pat June 5th, 2010 at 9:21 pm

    Need a subscripton to read the whole article in Newsday but the preview blurb is a feel good moment. :wink:

    “Hank Steinbrenner continues to ace his new role as the Yankees’ high-profile community ambassador. Hal Steinbrenner’s older brother is sponsoring a team called Hank’s Yanks that’s playing in the Baseball Heaven summer league in Yaphank. A.J. Burnett, Alex Rodriguez and CC Sabathia also are chipping in, and Robinson Cano and Kevin Russo convinced Spalding to supply batting-practice jerseys.”

  82. backbench June 5th, 2010 at 9:21 pm

    Testing

  83. Carl June 5th, 2010 at 9:21 pm

    I need an Austin Jackson update please

  84. Austin Jackson June 5th, 2010 at 9:24 pm

    0-4, but only 1 K

    As expected, he is making progress in that department. Still hitting almost .330 though. Has yet to cool off.

  85. Carl June 5th, 2010 at 9:26 pm

    What up Johnny Demon

  86. Carl June 5th, 2010 at 9:26 pm

    what about*** Johnny Demon I mean

  87. Erica in NY June 5th, 2010 at 9:29 pm

    MTU(aka GBURL) June 5th, 2010 at 9:21 pm
    Erica-

    I understand and you are quite welcome. Thank you for taking the time to acknowledge the sentiment. No one should talk to a lady like that. Not in cyberspace. Not in the real world.
    Not anywhere.
    ***********

    Of course! Sorry it took me 10 hours to do so… :-)

    And thank you again :-)

  88. MTU(aka GBURL) June 5th, 2010 at 9:30 pm

    Erica-

    I almost forgot to say that i hope you enjoyed your day at the beach and your moments in the Sun.

    They are very special.

    PS- I hope you used sunscreen. :)

  89. Sharkdaddy June 5th, 2010 at 9:52 pm

    Drop Tex to #5, move Cano to #3

    Get rid of Gaudin & his 8.00+ ERA, bring up a young pitcher with potential. Gaudin sucks.

    Get rid of Moeller, his an avg. defensive catcher, with an avg. arm, & a weak hitter, WHY? have him waste a roster spot. Bring up Romain or Mottero who have way more potential & start developing them.

    They kept Jackson down because they were scared to bring him up too early & guess what? Detroit stuck him in their lead-off spot & he is hitting .340+ & making circus catches in C.F.

    Stop being so conservative with your young talent and give them an opportunity to excel.

    This team is looking very avg. & old.

  90. Carl June 5th, 2010 at 10:00 pm

    Bring up Romain or Mottero

    lol

  91. FYI? June 5th, 2010 at 10:00 pm

    Sharkdaddy
    I’ll have you know Gaudin’s Era is 7.71 that’s nearly CY territory :-)

  92. MTU(aka GBURL) June 5th, 2010 at 10:02 pm

    Carl-

    Is that a new trendy salad or something ? Romain with Moterro cheese. :)

  93. Carl (Bring up Romain or Mottero) June 5th, 2010 at 10:08 pm

    # MTU(aka GBURL) June 5th, 2010 at 10:02 pm

    Carl-

    Is that a new trendy salad or something ? Romain with Moterro cheese. :)

    haha. Hes so mad he can’t spell their names correctly.

  94. Billy D June 5th, 2010 at 10:09 pm

    Slade Heathcott had three singles in 4 AB’s tonite with a walk and a stolen base. Was also caught stealing and picked off, but he’s hitting .412 with an OBP around .500 in 4 games.

  95. MTU(aka GBURL) June 5th, 2010 at 10:10 pm

    I think it took great courage on Tex’s part mention that he has had not only one but two
    Platinum sombrero’s in his career.

    At least it shows he is not in denial.

    That will help greatly when he goes to his Hitter’s Anonymous meetings. :)

  96. Carl (Bring up Romain or Mottero) June 5th, 2010 at 10:12 pm

    Am I wrong for thinking that any day A-Rod can wake up and go 07 on the league?

  97. Joba Tips his Cap June 5th, 2010 at 10:16 pm

    I hate to admit, on 1B Youklis is like 1000 times better than Tex offensively right now.
    NL will be extremely happy to see Tex in ASG.

  98. Mike June 5th, 2010 at 10:16 pm

    Tex got paid $31,000 per strrike out today. What a great job. Where do I sign up? He received a total compensation of $155,000 for his day at the ball park. That his manager is sticking with him as the number 3 hitter has everything to do with his salary and his fragile ego. I own a restaurant and if my Chef forgot how to cook, no matter how much I paid him ,he would be fired or demoted to dishwasher. I suggest Tex is a dishwasher at best right now and has been one of the if not the worst ball players for a while now. Forget his 3 home run game.
    He is a joke for the money. If he was making 2.1 million he would be dfa’d.

  99. Billy D June 5th, 2010 at 10:18 pm

    “Am I wrong for thinking that any day A-Rod can wake up and go 07 on the league?”

    Probably. That was a 31 year old Arod, pre hip injury. Besides, you only get one career year. Think his ’06 numbers would be a more likely scenario.

  100. MTU(aka GBURL) June 5th, 2010 at 10:22 pm

    Here’s the facts:

    Tex is struggling.

    Tex has been struggling for an extended time.

    Tex is in an extended state of suck but not a permanent one.

    Joe Girardi should give Tex a day off, and he should drop him in the order temporarily.

    Being in an extended state of suck as a 3 hole hitter hurts the team and doesn’t help the player’s confidence either.

    Move him Joe. Give it a try. What harm could it do that isn’t already being done.

    There’s no shame in it. No disloyalty. Be practical.

  101. Joba Tips his Cap June 5th, 2010 at 10:22 pm

    all pro athletes are heavily overpaid. If you really want some ‘fairness’, for starters how should they lock in multiyear multimillion dollar contract? It’s supply and demand, I have no problem with that. So, players have advantages on bargain table.

  102. Keeping it real June 5th, 2010 at 10:23 pm

    http://www.thestar.com Article by Griffin: Jays refuse to let the big, bad Yankees, “punk us around.” ouch!

  103. Joba Tips his Cap June 5th, 2010 at 10:24 pm

    yeah, Joe really should drop Tex to 5th or 6th, AND gives him a day off.

  104. Ron June 5th, 2010 at 10:24 pm

    Yanks are going to the playoffs and Jays are going golfing. We’ll see who is punking who in September.

  105. Bret the Hitman June 5th, 2010 at 10:25 pm

    We have so much depth in the minors, it will be impossible for Cashman to stand pat at the trade deadline. IMPOSSIBLE.

    And with a 3 team, possible 4 team blood bath in the AL East, rest assured that trade will not be of the ho-hum variety.

    BLOCKBUSTER

  106. Ill-Son June 5th, 2010 at 10:25 pm

    If Tex really wanted to help the team, he would go to the minors like Oliver Perez.

    He simply cannot stay in the lineup when he is hitting like Ramiro Pener.

  107. MTU(aka GBURL) June 5th, 2010 at 10:27 pm

    Bret-

    I don’t think he will. :)

  108. tampayank June 5th, 2010 at 10:27 pm

    Boxing in Yankee Stadium woooooo :)

  109. Carl (Bring up Romain or Mottero) June 5th, 2010 at 10:27 pm

    It’s getting too crazy in here bye bye

  110. Matt June 5th, 2010 at 10:27 pm

    Sux won again

    They are 2 back of us, 4 back of Tampa

  111. 4time June 5th, 2010 at 10:28 pm

    tampayank,

    Does Cotto still have enough left in the tank?

    I have memories of Pacquio destroying him lol

  112. jake June 5th, 2010 at 10:35 pm

    Anyone think that the Yankees might be interested in trading for Luke Scott of the Orioles as an OF/DH guy? he’s got a great bat and is a great all around player. The Orioles will try to move him by the trading deadline

  113. MTU(aka GBURL) June 5th, 2010 at 10:38 pm

    I am sure because of all the blog concerns expressed here that Tex is contemplating one of the following actions:

    1 Commiting Hari Kiri in the dugout before tomorrow’s game.

    2 Jumping off the nearest bridge.

    3 Throwing himself in front of a moving train.

    He knows you people are mad at him, what you think matters and has no other choice.

    I hope you are proud of yourselves for driving Tex to this.

  114. Carl (Bring up Romain or Mottero) June 5th, 2010 at 10:39 pm

    # Matt June 5th, 2010 at 10:27 pm

    Sux won again

    They are 2 back of us, 4 back of Tampa

    1.5 back.

  115. GreenBeret7 June 5th, 2010 at 10:41 pm

    jake June 5th, 2010 at 10:35 pm
    Anyone think that the Yankees might be interested in trading for Luke Scott of the Orioles as an OF/DH guy? he’s got a great bat and is a great all around player. The Orioles will try to move him by the trading deadline

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    You are without a doubt the only one that has ever described Luke Scott as a “great all around ball player”. Go scout for the Red Sox, please.

  116. tampayank June 5th, 2010 at 10:46 pm

    “# 4time June 5th, 2010 at 10:28 pm

    tampayank,

    Does Cotto still have enough left in the tank?

    I have memories of Pacquio destroying him lol

    I hope, he has Manny Steward training him this fight…maybe that will help…will have to inside on Foreman w/ a lot of body shots

  117. Matt June 5th, 2010 at 10:46 pm

    Carl,

    Even worse lol! Sox are 1.5 back of us.

  118. jake June 5th, 2010 at 10:47 pm

    Greeberet7: He is a great all around player….he hits home runs and has a pretty good OBP.

    THAT”S BETTER THAN FREAKIN NICK JOHSON!!! Luke Scott would hit 25-30 bombs w/ the yankees with probably around 80 rbis.

    Nick Johnson was the BIGGEST mistake. So anything is better than him….and Luke Scott IS really good.

    Who else do you expect to DH when Posada is catching? You’re not going to DH Cervelli, YES he’s been fantastic, but he’s not THAT great to Dh the guy lol.

    Cash should trade for Cliff Lee and Luke Scott before the trading deadline. And Send Javier “I can only pitch in the National League” Vazquez back to where he belongs.

  119. MTU(aka GBURL) June 5th, 2010 at 10:47 pm

    GB-

    Have a good night. I am making my escape back to the another friendlier Asylum so I can get away from some of the nuts in here. :)

  120. Horse face Teixeira better start hitting!! June 5th, 2010 at 10:48 pm

    He (Tex)said he just didn’t see the ball today, maybe he needs lasik.

  121. Erica in NY June 5th, 2010 at 10:51 pm

    Good night Yankee people!

  122. DMan June 5th, 2010 at 10:52 pm

    What will Tex say if he is notified that the fans voted him into the ASG?

  123. Billy D June 5th, 2010 at 10:52 pm

    Jake:

    Are you Luke Scott’s brother?

    Scott is a decent player with a decent bat. Would he be a pretty good guy to have off the bench? Sure. Would he replace a current starter on this team? That’s a big NO.

  124. GreenBeret7 June 5th, 2010 at 10:54 pm

    MTU(aka GBURL) June 5th, 2010 at 10:47 pm
    GB-

    Have a good night. I am making my escape back to the another friendlier Asylum so I can get away from some of the nuts in here.

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    There are definately some Bellevue residents that have snuck out of their rooms tonight.

  125. DMan June 5th, 2010 at 10:54 pm

    Scott is hitting .147 this year with RISP.

    No thanks. Go find a player who can hit in the clutch.

  126. jake June 5th, 2010 at 10:56 pm

    That would be cool if i was his brother! Get some tickets or something…anywho…

    I tink he would replace Marcus Thames, just saying…..

    When Posada starts catching, WHO ARE WE GOING TO DH?
    -Answer: Cashman is going to trade for one..
    WHO?
    -Answer: We don’t know….but Luke Scott is a very viable option. We’re probably not going to be trading for Prince Fielder. (JUST a feeling)

  127. Joe June 5th, 2010 at 10:58 pm

    If Price was available, I’d get him and let him mash at DH for the next 8 years.

    The Brewers owner hates us though, so he will never trade with us.

  128. GreenBeret7 June 5th, 2010 at 10:58 pm

    jake June 5th, 2010 at 10:47 pm
    Greeberet7: He is a great all around player….he hits home runs and has a pretty good OBP.

    THAT”S BETTER THAN FREAKIN NICK JOHSON!!! Luke Scott would hit 25-30 bombs w/ the yankees with probably around 80 rbis.

    Nick Johnson was the BIGGEST mistake. So anything is better than him….and Luke Scott IS really good.

    Who else do you expect to DH when Posada is catching? You’re not going to DH Cervelli, YES he’s been fantastic, but he’s not THAT great to Dh the guy lol.

    Cash should trade for Cliff Lee and Luke Scott before the trading deadline. And Send Javier “I can only pitch in the National League” Vazquez back to where he belongs

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    Scott has some talent for hitting a few home runs, but, that’s about it. Iwas trying to give you a chance of backing out of your evaluation of Scott’s talents without calling you an idiot. You couldn’t take the hint.

  129. MTU(aka GBURL) June 5th, 2010 at 10:59 pm

    GB-

    “There are definately some Bellevue residents that have snuck out of their rooms tonight.”

    This happens during every full Moon and after every Yankees loss.

    Let’s see. Where did I put that Garlic ? And where are my silver bullets ?

    Off to search. Later.

  130. josh June 5th, 2010 at 11:04 pm

    Jake – why do the Yanks need Cliff Lee? And who would you trade for him?

  131. jake June 5th, 2010 at 11:07 pm

    Greenberet7,

    My evaluation isn’t stupid. I mean you can’t compare him to a Prince Fielder (via trade) or Jermaine Dye (free agent) for the DH position. But compared to what we have now!?!? Luke Scott trumps Marcus Thames, Francisco Cervelli, or Kevin Russo in the hitting department. It was just a cheap suggestion to fill the whole with pretty good production. I wasn’t calling the guy an all-star. Just a good fit for the Yankees. He’s like a lower version of Nick Swisher.
    I mean, if Jermaine Dye would sign with us to play DH…BRING HIM HERE!

    A lineup of:
    Jeter
    Swisher
    Tex
    Arod
    Cano
    Posada
    Dye
    Granderson
    Gardner

    ….would be very nice!! Looks like a champ squad to me!
    Then trade for Lee and give Javier Vazquez away…

    CC
    AJ
    Lee
    Pettite
    Hughes

  132. disco stu June 5th, 2010 at 11:08 pm

    I think a big issue with Tex that really bares watching is the fact that he has essentially become a dead pull hitter (especially, batting left handed).

    I dont recall him being this “pull happy” when he was with Texas, Atlanta, or Anaheim.

    It is eerie how his hitting has regressed in Year 2 of his Yankee career much in the same way that Giambi’s hitting regressed in Year 2 of his Yankee career back in 2003. Both had terrific first seasons with the Yankees and then really fell off in the next year.

    Now I think Tex is a far better all-around player than Giambi because of his defense and the fact that he is a switch hitter (he also uses the entire field far better from the right side). But I also remember how much of a monster hitter Giambi was in Oakland … and how quickly he became a shell of what he once was as a hitter very soon into his Yankee career.

    Like Giambi, I think that Tex is limiting his effectiveness by not taking a different approach at the plate. That short right field porch at Yankee Stadium can really test your discipline as a hitter if your batting left handed. It must be so tempting to want to hook ever hittable pitch you see because the porch is so inviting. But the flip side is that you fall into bad habits so fast. I think Tex should take a close look at how Cano hits and how by using the entire field he gets many more hittable pitches to crush to right field.

    When was the last time Tex hit a home run to the left of center field since he became a Yankee? Has he hit any of his home runs left handed to the left of center?

  133. josh June 5th, 2010 at 11:10 pm

    Jake, again, which players are you trading for Lee and Scott?

  134. jake June 5th, 2010 at 11:13 pm

    Josh,

    I dont know, that’s for Cashman to figure out. There’s a reason why he’s paid all of that money to essentially play “Franchise Mode on MLB The Show” in real life….

  135. GreenBeret7 June 5th, 2010 at 11:17 pm

    He’ll trade that lazy Cano for Scott and pay 2/3rds of Cano’s contract. Cano is hittless in two games. Lee for Rodriguez, Hughes and Chamberlain and take on all of the contracts.

  136. jake June 5th, 2010 at 11:18 pm

    Okay, GreenBeret7, now you’re just being ignorant and immature…..get off the blog….

  137. Carl (Bring up Romain or Mottero) June 5th, 2010 at 11:18 pm

    # GreenBeret7 June 5th, 2010 at 11:17 pm

    He’ll trade that lazy Cano for Scott and pay 2/3rds of Cano’s contract. Cano is hittless in two games. Lee for Rodriguez, Hughes and Chamberlain and take on all of the contracts.

    Trade Romain and Moterro!

  138. GreenBeret7 June 5th, 2010 at 11:21 pm

    jake June 5th, 2010 at 11:18 pm
    Okay, GreenBeret7, now you’re just being ignorant and immature…..get off the blog….

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    It makes as much sense as your evaluation of Scott.

  139. Joe June 5th, 2010 at 11:21 pm

    Mottero continues to fall off a cliff… another 0-3 tonight, down to .219

    Romain is doing well though, 1-3 tonight and even walked.

  140. Send Tex to Mex June 5th, 2010 at 11:21 pm

    Would the Cardinals be crazy enough to trade Pujols to the Yankees for Teixeira, Montero and Joba? It would save them about 10 million dollars that they’d have to pay Pujols in 2 years, when they’d have to pony up about 30 million per year in they wanted to keep him

  141. GreenBeret7 June 5th, 2010 at 11:25 pm

    Too many late night idiots on here. This place will fast going the way of the dinosaurs if they don’t fix it.

  142. nat June 5th, 2010 at 11:26 pm

    tex – most overrated player in his generation

  143. Send Tex to Mex June 5th, 2010 at 11:27 pm

    disco stu June 5th, 2010 at 11:08 pm
    I think a big issue with Tex that really bares watching is the fact that he has essentially become a dead pull hitter (especially, batting left handed).

    I dont recall him being this ?pull happy? when he was with Texas, Atlanta, or Anaheim.

    It is eerie how his hitting has regressed in Year 2 of his Yankee career much in the same way that Giambi?s hitting regressed in Year 2 of his Yankee career back in 2003. Both had terrific first seasons with the Yankees and then really fell off in the next year.

    Now I think Tex is a far better all-around player than Giambi because of his defense and the fact that he is a switch hitter (he also uses the entire field far better from the right side). But I also remember how much of a monster hitter Giambi was in Oakland ? and how quickly he became a shell of what he once was as a hitter very soon into his Yankee career.

    Like Giambi, I think that Tex is limiting his effectiveness by not taking a different approach at the plate. That short right field porch at Yankee Stadium can really test your discipline as a hitter if your batting left handed. It must be so tempting to want to hook ever hittable pitch you see because the porch is so inviting. But the flip side is that you fall into bad habits so fast. I think Tex should take a close look at how Cano hits and how by using the entire field he gets many more hittable pitches to crush to right field.

    When was the last time Tex hit a home run to the left of center field since he became a Yankee? Has he hit any of his home runs left handed to the left of center?
    +++++++

    Isn’t that what the hitting guru Kevin Long should be doing? Or does Long only get accolades when the yankees beat up on the orioles and indians – if you noticed NO ONE hit in the World Series but NO ONE blamed Kevin Long for any of it.

  144. melladie June 5th, 2010 at 11:28 pm

    GreenBeret7 June 5th, 2010 at 11:25 pm

    Too many late night idiots on here. This place will fast going the way of the dinosaurs if they don’t fix it

    Cannot ban people for having disagreements.

  145. pistol pete June 5th, 2010 at 11:31 pm

    I’ve been barking for weeks that we need a bat and it’s fallen on deaf ears. Cervelli and Gardner have been God sends but let’s face it they will most likely come back to earth and neither has a high ops ceiling. Granderson is one dimensional and the Yankees clearly are suffering offensively since the loss of Matsui and Damon hasn’t really been addressed. I barked all winter losing one of the two was plenty but both was far far too much. Johnson was a disasterous signing as was Winn. Really, russo started as a corner outfielder on the freaking Yankees today, do you think we still don’t need a bat. In 23 innings in Toronto we got 3 runs, unacceptable. Cashman swallow your pride and go shopping for a bat, now.

  146. GreenBeret7 June 5th, 2010 at 11:31 pm

    I don’t seem to remember Jeter, Rodriguez, Posada, Damon and some guy named Matsui having a lot of trouble in the WS last year.

  147. Send Tex to Mex June 5th, 2010 at 11:32 pm

    I guess Girardi can contemplate whey he didn’t move Teixeira out of the 3 hole in October while the Rays and Red Sox go to the postseason and he is out of a job after the yankees miss out on the playoffs in 2 out of the 3 years he was manager

  148. GreenBeret7 June 5th, 2010 at 11:33 pm

    melladie June 5th, 2010 at 11:28 pm
    GreenBeret7 June 5th, 2010 at 11:25 pm

    Too many late night idiots on here. This place will fast going the way of the dinosaurs if they don’t fix it

    Cannot ban people for having disagreements.

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    They need to be euthanized for terminal stupidity.

  149. melladie June 5th, 2010 at 11:37 pm

    GreenBeret7 June 5th, 2010 at 11:33 pm

    melladie June 5th, 2010 at 11:28 pm
    GreenBeret7 June 5th, 2010 at 11:25 pm

    Too many late night idiots on here. This place will fast going the way of the dinosaurs if they don’t fix it

    Cannot ban people for having disagreements.

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    They need to be euthanized for terminal stupidity.

    —–

    Not a kind attitude.

  150. josh June 5th, 2010 at 11:38 pm

    Send Tex to the Mex – last time I checked if the season ended today the Yanks would make the playoffs. But by all means, whine about where Teixiera is in the batting order.

  151. josh June 5th, 2010 at 11:43 pm

    Jake – saying Cashman should figure it out is the first intelligent phrase you’ve used on this blog tonight. You can’t just say “trade for Scott and Lee” without having some actual thought behind it.

  152. GreenBeret7 June 5th, 2010 at 11:49 pm

    Not a kind attitude.

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    Like I care about the feelings of idiots and trolls on a sports board.

  153. Send Tex to Mex June 5th, 2010 at 11:50 pm

    Josh last time I checked the season doesn’t end today – and even if it did tex would still have sucked since september of last year

    oh and if i’ve read correctly about 80% of the posts on here have suggested tex be sat or dropped in the order

  154. Haiku-man June 5th, 2010 at 11:52 pm

    Can’t stop laughing. SI.com headline: Cardinals add HITTING depth, sign outfielder Randy Winn.

    lol !!

  155. GreenBeret7 June 5th, 2010 at 11:54 pm

    oh and if i’ve read correctly about 80% of the posts on here have suggested tex be sat or dropped in the order

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    So, you figured that you’d become one of them? Show some guts/balls and use your normal SN.

  156. cacahuete June 5th, 2010 at 11:54 pm

    “To the rich go the spoils”

  157. Send Tex to Mex June 5th, 2010 at 11:56 pm

    GB7 my mother always told me to be kind to senile old men, so I will take her advice.

  158. GreenBeret7 June 6th, 2010 at 12:00 am

    I’m a lot of things, but, old and senile isn’t among them.

  159. josh June 6th, 2010 at 12:00 am

    Send Tex – but your post basically said if they keep Teixeira where he is and he performs the rest of the year as he has to date, the Yanks won’t make the playoffs. And I’m pointing out that with Teixeira’s crappy start they are still leading the wild card race.

    As far as 80% of the people on here wanting him dropped, I can’t help it if the majority of people on here wouldn’t let an All-Star who is a slow starter every year work things out. I have faith in Teixeira, as does Girardi, who knows far more about baseball than you and I combined.

  160. Why waste the type! June 6th, 2010 at 12:03 am

    Send Tex to Mex
    GB is old and set in his ways, he’s a great grandfather, and grumpy one at that. Hewill never say a kind word, and has to be right, so don’t waste your time!! He loves to insult people just ignore the old fart.

  161. GreenBeret7 June 6th, 2010 at 12:08 am

    Players (even NYYs) have come from a start like this after 57 games and ended up at .292, as recently as 2004, and he’s a future HOFer.

  162. GreenBeret7 June 6th, 2010 at 12:09 am

    What a surprise. Another tulip blooms on the late night board…yet another one with no guts.

  163. Send Tex to Mex June 6th, 2010 at 12:10 am

    Josh – like it or not if Tex keeps hitting .200 the rest of the year and is batting 3rd the yankees won’t be in the playoffs – and even if they were to make it that wouldn’t make girardi smart by keeping a 200 hitter who can’t hit a breaking ball in the 3 spot – actually that would make him really dumb..

    francona, who may be as dumb as they come – knew to get ortiz out of the 3 spot and drop him lower

  164. REALLY!! June 6th, 2010 at 12:11 am

    ….AND HOW DID 2004 TURN OUT FOR THE YANKEES!

  165. Jerkface June 6th, 2010 at 12:14 am

    ….AND HOW DID 2004 TURN OUT FOR THE YANKEES!

    They went to the ALCS?

  166. Send Tex to Mex June 6th, 2010 at 12:14 am

    Why waste the type..

    you’re right!! tomorrow when i change my tag once again I’ll ignore the curmudgeon just like you suggested. Thanks!

  167. REALLY!! June 6th, 2010 at 12:24 am

    ….And brought shame by losing 4 games when leading by 3!

  168. pistol pete June 6th, 2010 at 12:31 am

    We need a bat, how about Konerko, in the last yr of a 12m contract. Sox are going nowhere would love to dump about 7m, might make a solid everyday dh. Jeter/Swish/Arod/Cano/Konerko/Posada/Tex/Grandy/Gardy, this line up is much longer and gives Tex a break. Moving Fatso(Ortiz) worked in Beantown, give him a break, take some pressure off him, drop him and get a bat, I like Konerko. Also we need another outfielder, Russo is a nice kid but unacceptable at the Major League level.

  169. THE TRUTH June 6th, 2010 at 12:31 am

    Tex is our 3 hitter and he is there to stay. I also don’t understand the good will that he gets – if A-rod was slumping this bad he would be getting killed.

  170. Yeah June 6th, 2010 at 12:40 am

    Sorry, Joe, but Tex was not “on fire” in May. With an .840 OPS, he was at most not inadequate.

  171. stuart June 6th, 2010 at 12:41 am

    tex not getting any grief or flack for his performance!!!!!!!

    the guy is atrocious and has sucked basically the whole season. Is that enough grief?

    Texiera not only gets out but his outs are such feeble crap it is astonishing…

    he went about 12 games with out getting a RBI. then got one when he was HBP with the bases loaded. He has sucked basically the whole year… What else are we suppose to say? Getting Konerko and these other moron moves are not the answer,. Nice AB’s by cano the last 2 days. Can he lunge at outside pitches any more???

    they cannot hit on the road, look at the #’s scary bad on the road…….

  172. tampayank June 6th, 2010 at 12:42 am

    Cotto wins!!! having Manny Steward taking over as his trainer really helped….The Stadium looked great on fight night :)

  173. stuart June 6th, 2010 at 12:43 am

    the fight announcers were clowns. who knows what would have happened but once Foreman hurt his knee the fight was over….

  174. tampayank June 6th, 2010 at 12:46 am

    Foreman was getting dominated once his knee buckled, it was already though 7…don’t think much would have changed…it was 6-1 Cotto at that point….Cotto had more movement which I hadn’t seen from his the last few fights but don’t think he’s fast enough to go back down to the top guys at 147, should probably stay at 154

  175. Horse face Teixeira better start hitting!! June 6th, 2010 at 12:51 am

    For a hundred eighty million. Joe needs to raise his standards for Tex.

  176. stuart June 6th, 2010 at 1:00 am

    foreman got hurt in the 6th. he was losing and probably would have but a guy who counts on movement fighting on 1 leg is not a formula for success. and the rounds he lost were far from dominating rounds for Cotto.

    Bottom line to bad he got hurt, would have been interesting..

    bottom line texiera has sucked so far this year. astoundingly bad…. I bet his BA with RISP is really really bad……….

  177. tampayank June 6th, 2010 at 1:08 am

    I’m surprised how Tex has for the most part gotten a pass from media, especially national media…he’s quietly just above the Mendoza line

  178. Ned in Alaska June 6th, 2010 at 2:06 am

    Let’s bring back the Giambino.

  179. Rich in NJ June 6th, 2010 at 3:00 am

    Gaudin sucks. He should never have been given a $2.9m contract and he certainly shouldn’t have been brought back. Many of us already knew that. Maybe one day Cash and Girardi will too.

  180. Yeah June 6th, 2010 at 3:06 am

    Kevin Long maybe needs to go. Tex’s PAs are plumb embarrassing.

  181. Ned in Alaska June 6th, 2010 at 3:55 am

    Johnson followed with what should have been a double-play bouncer to first, but Jason Giambi threw over the head of Tulowitzki covering second and both runners were safe.

  182. ac1 June 6th, 2010 at 7:16 am

    Kevin Long is fine. Though he needs to work with Tex on hitting changeups. One more win for boston and toronto and we all basically move into a tie for 2nd 3rd and 4th.

  183. josh June 6th, 2010 at 7:28 am

    Send Tex – again, you say they won’t be in the playoffs but they are on pace to win 100 games with him batting .215. Also, do you really expect him to hit like this the whole season?

  184. MTU (aka GBURL) June 6th, 2010 at 7:39 am

    Things to keep in mind as you all eat your morning cheerios or corn flakes (some eat fruit loops) :

    In baseball, as in life, it’s not where you start but where you end up that matters.

    And it’s not what you’ve done but what you are doing or will do that decides your fate.

    And it’s not what you are at the moment but who you are for real.

    Temporary is temporary.

    And permanent is permanent.

    Right now everything the Yankees do is temporary.

    When they crown this year’s World Champs then, and if it happens to not be the Yankees (which I doubt), and only then it becomes permanent.

    Learn the difference between temporary and permanent and those of you who are agitated will suddenly become calm again with the Yankees and in Life.

    Right now we all have time. Us and the Yankees. :)

  185. pat June 6th, 2010 at 7:48 am

    m

    NY Daily News answered your question this morning

    “The Yankees entered Saturday with an AL-best .278 average with runners in scoring position, but a 1-for-9 performance with RISP contributed to their 3-2 loss.”

  186. MTU (aka GBURL) June 6th, 2010 at 7:49 am

    Blake/Betsy-

    By the time you read this note.

    I will probably be out burning up some calories and paying tribute to
    Young Master Hughes.

    I hope to post the results of that tribute at a later time.

    just wanted you to know. :)

  187. jd June 6th, 2010 at 8:10 am

    Jeter,Gardner,Swish,A-Rod,Cano,Tex,Posada,Grandy,Cervelli. Think this line-up should get a shot.

  188. murphydog June 6th, 2010 at 8:31 am

    http://www.nypost.com/p/sports.....zqyu1NXKAO

    Professor Sherman wants to make baseball “better.” By the time digital-fascists and malignant tinkerers like him are done “improving” the game, there won’t be any game left. Perfect is the enemy of the good.

    Baseball is about the tension between perfection and near perfection, or as Plato might have described it the difference between the Ideal and the shadow of the ideal. On base percentage takes some of the persuasive wallop out of the old saw that a career .300 hitter goes to the Hall of Fame despite missing the ball 7 out of 10 times. Still, nobody and nothing in this life is perfect and the game is a sublime test of how close we mortals can come to an ideal, in this case an athletic one.

    At the bottom line that’s why steroids are wrong, they taint the purity of our quest, throwing off the true measure of a man against the stringent odds out there on the baseball diamond. In reality, wasn’t the whole PED thing an attempt to artificially close the gap between the ideal and the actual performance, coming closer to hitting 1.000, or meeting the fanatic’s expectation that a batter will hit a home run every time up, or that a pitcher will have 27 strikeouts a game? (Wouldn’t perfection in all aspects of the game present a philosophical checkmate, like an immovable object meeting an irresistible force?)

    So now Sherman wants to create an artificial underground river of truth, mocking the humans playing and officiating the game for their humanity. According to him, we ought to be able to dip into that water when we don’t like the reality on the field. Striving for perfection is a noble human characteristic. The human element represents that striving. Replacing the effort to get it right, which comes with human limits, is taking away one aspect of the humanity of the game. If you are going to perfect umpiring then why not “fix” the mistake pitch that wanders over the fat part of the plate? Why not let the hitter have another shot at that bad slider that he missed? Why not give fielders mulligans? Wouldn’t all of those things “improve the game” in the sense that we would cut down the number of failures and get incrementally closer to perfection? Do we really want a video game version of the National Pastime to be the National Pastime?

    The effort to mandate perfect outcomes, instead of guaranteeing fair and equal opportunities and enjoying the result, is a monumental human flaw, akin to our original mistake: eating from the Tree of Knowledge. No other part of life is fair or free from randomness. Here’s the game, here are the rules, enter the humans who play – and call – the game. Strive to reach the ideal and savor the results, bittersweet though they may sometimes be. And accept the fact that no human being, and thus no human game, can be perfect.

  189. Doreen - GTLU Stuff & Photos June 6th, 2010 at 8:48 am

    Good Mornng, Lohuders -

    Today’s Guess the Line Up is Now Open for Business.

    Lineups will be accepted until the first official lineup is posted. Good luck!

    And now, back to your regular scheduled programming…

  190. MTU (aka GBURL) June 6th, 2010 at 8:52 am

    Murphydog-

    There is great power in your words of truth.

    There is much enjoyment in the Journey and much to be gained through the struggle.

    And perfection only exists in the eyes of a child, the love of our pets, or in the beauty that surrounds us all.

    Other than that we are all flawed, and as a reflection of us baseball is equally flawed. :)

  191. Doreen - GTLU Stuff & Photos June 6th, 2010 at 8:56 am

    murphydog -

    I didn’t read Sherman’s piece, but I did read yours. Nice.

    I believe there is nothing wrong with adding some technology to the umpire’s tool box, mainly because the technology is now being used to mock them – everyone else gets to see and re-see at every angle and at every speed their very lack of perfection. Why not turn it around so that in clearly defined situations, that same technology will help umpires?

    I always find it ironic, or perhaps the better word is mystifying or even comical, that the people who most advocate all the changes to “perfect” the game do not play the game.

    Baseball is not a video game. And it is not a timed game. It is a game that unfolds much like life itself. You can have the best talent, the best game plan, the best everything, and someone having the best day of their life can beat you. Or one thing can go wrong – and you lose in spite of the other 101 things you did right.

    But the best thing about baseball is that there are enough “other games” that should help you to move on and start afresh the next day. The starting pitching is always different every day. :)

  192. Wave Your Hat June 6th, 2010 at 9:09 am

    murpheydog-

    Wow, what an over-reaction!

    After reading your diatribe, I’m still not sure what’s wrong with a mechanical system that gets it right.

  193. murphydog June 6th, 2010 at 9:13 am

    Doreen:

    “I believe there is nothing wrong with adding some technology to the umpire’s tool box, mainly because the technology is now being used to mock them – everyone else gets to see and re-see at every angle and at every speed their very lack of perfection. Why not turn it around so that in clearly defined situations, that same technology will help umpires?”

    I’m just opposed to it because it seems to me like incrementalism, rather than justification, and I hate to give the Joel Shermans of the world more grease to put on that slippery slope ;)

  194. Doreen - GTLU Stuff & Photos June 6th, 2010 at 9:18 am

    murphydog -

    I can understand that. Give an inch and they take, or at the very least want, a yard.

  195. murphydog June 6th, 2010 at 9:19 am

    MTU (aka GBURL):

    Exactly: enjoy the journey.

  196. murphydog June 6th, 2010 at 9:22 am

    Wave Your Hat:

    Disagreement is what makes the world go round.

    But I can’t tell from your post where we disagree. Since it’ Sunday Morning and we’re discoursing… why not tell us why you’re right? I’m open to it.

  197. William Buckner June 6th, 2010 at 9:24 am

    “I’m just opposed to it because it seems to me like incrementalism, rather than justification, and I hate to give the Joel Shermans of the world more grease to put on that slippery slope ”

    Why would you think that implementing technology would lead down a slippery slope? Football, basketball, and hockey have all successfully used technology to improve their games and hasn’t hurt the game or it’s history.

  198. randy l. June 6th, 2010 at 9:24 am

    “Baseball is about the tension between perfection and near perfection, or as Plato might have described it the difference between the Ideal and the shadow of the ideal.”

    murphydog-

    the imperfection of the umpire joyce opened up the perfection of the detroit pitcher Armando Galarraga in handling the situation with grace .

    changes in baseball should be made slowly because the layers to the game are complex and have been created over a hundred years. i think some instant replay is fine as long as it’s really instant and only for certain situations .

    it surely wouldn’t hurt the perfection of the game if umpires in major league baseball were there because they competed with other umpires with how good they were. if a mlb player isn’t good enough to compete with other mlb players he’s out of there, no seniority keeps them there.

    the same thing should happen with umpires.

    …and by the way, until there is registration and chad and sam are more interested in quality rather than quantity i’ll just be checking in just on sunday morning. it’s the one time that the blog is still consistently good .

    keep up the good work murphydog in continuing to set the tone for sunday morning discussion.

  199. Wave Your Hat June 6th, 2010 at 9:27 am

    I hate to disturb the Sunday morning tone but this line of argument seems like nothing more than a lot of interesting phrases jumbled together which make no sense.

    If the technology exists to get the calls right, which it does, why not get the calls right? What’s so pure about wrong calls?

  200. murphydog June 6th, 2010 at 9:30 am

    “Why would you think that implementing technology would lead down a slippery slope? Football, basketball, and hockey have all successfully used technology to improve their games and hasn’t hurt the game or it’s history.”

    In part because I think structurally baseball relies on input from officials far, far more often than the other sports. Every pitch is called by the umpire, every out is called by an umpire and in between there are balks and ejections and foul balls and you name it.

    I also think that the nature of a game as it has developed should be respected. Baseball is a traditional game and while there are greater perhaps even technically more accurate ways to do things, everything comes via trade-off. Baseball changes slowly if at all and that’s fine with me.

  201. murphydog June 6th, 2010 at 9:31 am

    “I hate to disturb the Sunday morning tone but this line of argument seems like nothing more than a lot of interesting phrases jumbled together which make no sense.”

    OK.

  202. Wave Your Hat June 6th, 2010 at 9:32 am

    “OK.”

    In other words, you can’t support your argument rationally. You want whatever makes you feel good.

  203. YankeeRay June 6th, 2010 at 9:36 am

    Enough is enough. Girardi’s Torre like loyalty is not the recipe for success in this case.
    Your best hitters on your team should be hitting in the middle of the lineup.
    Arod should slide to the 3 hole with Cano protecting him. Drop Tex to 5 and let him relax a bit.
    Girardi doesn’t want to affect the Tex ego? Cmon now. These are grown men and Tex has hit in the 5 hole plenty in his career.
    Jeter
    Swisher
    Arod
    Cano
    Tex
    Posada C
    Granderson
    Thames/Miranda
    Gardner
    That is the line up that will give us the best chance to win once Posada is back behind the plate.

  204. kur June 6th, 2010 at 9:37 am

    If the Yankees can’t win a game with their Best pitcher on the mound, how can you expect them to win with the worst in the rotation starting/ Stranger things have happened so one can only hope for the best.

  205. murphydog June 6th, 2010 at 9:41 am

    “In other words, you can’t support your argument rationally. You want whatever makes you feel good.”

    Bizarre comment.

    I put forth my argument in great detail and, despite your contrary view (you called it jumbled), pretty rationally.

    One of the objections you made was that my argument was a diatribe, which I took to be an objection to its length among other things.

    I asked you to expound on your conclusion and share how you got there and you didn’t.

    I get it. We disagree.

  206. MaineYankee June 6th, 2010 at 9:45 am

    randy

    Thanks for letting me know what day to avoid the blog. :lol:

  207. Doreen - GTLU Stuff & Photos June 6th, 2010 at 9:50 am

    kur -

    I would just offer that on any given day, etc., etc…. :)

    murphydog -

    I just read Sherman’s piece.

    It does give some food for thought. I don’t think I’d be ready for a traffic light at home plate, and while many MLB umpires make me crazy just due to the fact that they are out of shape/out of position and when they are behind the plate, some of them are too “showy,” it seems that in terms of balls/strikes he is really, really questioning the integrity of most umpires when he brings up the game fixing via ball/strike calls. I may be naive, but I don’t think the majority of umpires are “buyable.”

    I also don’t think umpiring has changed all that much over the years – I think they probably get the same amount of calls right/wrong – but technology has so the mistakes are quite public, to say the least, and not easily forgettable because they’re replayed 24/7 via every news outlet that covers sports.

    But I think I like the 2-challenge limit per game, and I think he is correct when he ays that most of the time there will be no challenges. I think most of the grief is caused by close pitches and moving strike zones. And yet, I still don’t want an automated strike zone.

    For years, the NL and AL had very different strike zones, largely due to the chest protectors in use by the umpires in either league. In the NL, low strikes ruled; in the AL high strikes rules due to the huge chest protectors those umpires used. In fact, I think that when Nolan Ryan was traded by the Mets and landed in the AL, it helped Ryan immensely due to the different strike zone.

    Wow – I do then to go on. Anyway, just wanted to say there’s so much to talk about with this issue, to agree and disagree on, as there always is with baseball. And Sherman’s article does add to the conversation.

  208. GreenBeret7 June 6th, 2010 at 9:51 am

    Stopping play in baseball every 5 minutes to review a play would destroy the very thing that makes it appealing and unique. Other sports chop there game up so much that it becomes boring to have to sit and watch a commercial every 3-4 minutes. Baseball may seem slow paced, but, that’s a reason to enjoy it. It builds through the innings. The other sports build for a couple of minutes and then, somebody pulls the cork. Then they start over.

    Everyone knows that the umpiring in baseball is an abortion, but, video replay won’t fix that. All it will do will make them worse, because they have no reason to get better since it will be overturned anyway. Fix the problem with the umpires. Get rid of the Joe West, Marty Foster and Angel Hernandez types and put restrictions on weight, or rather body fat percentages, retrain umpires to get into proper positions or get rid of them. instead of telling them they are being graded and then disregarding the evaluations, send them to the minors for retraining…at minor league pay scales.

  209. Doreen - GTLU Stuff & Photos June 6th, 2010 at 9:53 am

    randy l -

    I’d wondered where you were.

    Last night I actually shut down my laptop, and I thought, well, the run is over. They beat us. :(

  210. William Buckner June 6th, 2010 at 9:55 am

    “In part because I think structurally baseball relies on input from officials far, far more often than the other sports. Every pitch is called by the umpire, every out is called by an umpire and in between there are balks and ejections and foul balls and you name it.”

    Not certain that’s different in the sports i mentioned about. Football officials could technically call a hold on every play. A basketball ref can call a foul on most too.

    I think, or hope if used, they limit to foul/fair ball and outs and limit uses like NFL challenges. I do agree balls/strikes should be sacred ground.

    I’m a believer in change for progession. And it’s worked in baseball too. Wild card, reallignment, DH, are examples of change that I think have made the game better. I think some technology will too.

  211. Wave Your Hat June 6th, 2010 at 9:55 am

    murpheydog-

    I didn’t see your 9:22 AM post. You probably thought my 9:27 AM post was in response to it, and my 9:32 AM as well, but they weren’t. So keep your shirt on, I’ll post my reasons.

    I don’t think your 8:31 AM post is a fair criticism of Sherman’s article. Sherman is simply saying that wrong calls can have a dramatic impact on the outcome of a game, and that technology exists to correct those calls, or not to have wrong calls in the first place, so why not make use of it? I don’t think your metaphysical conclusions regarding the outcome of Sherman’s line of reasoning is supported by any argument within your post.

    Look, when I was a kid, we were constantly told that the umpires never, or almost never, blew a call. On a close play, the TV announcers would tell us, “isn’t it amazing that the umps always seem to get the call right!”, and using the technology of the time, it appeared as if the umps did indeed get it right. Or, on balls and strikes, the ump would appear to get it wrong, but the announcers or the umps would tell us, you can’t tell from the center field camera because the off-center location of the camera distorts where the ball appears to be. Only the ump sees it right.

    And we believed them. But the key is, we believed them because no technology existed for us to know better. But we believed them because, at heart, we wanted the calls to be right. We didn’t believe in “the human element”, the really important thing was for the calls to be right.

    What was “pure” was not the umpires’ calls, or fallible people struggling through the human condition, but the belief that the abilities of the individuals playing the game, and the team, governed the outcome of the game, not wrong calls which distorted that “true” purity.

    But today that belief is under assault, because of super-slow motion high definition replays from multiple angles, and pitch f/x which can show exactly where in the strike zone the pitch is.

    And all of a sudden, out true belief, that the outcome of the game is determined by the players, is under assault. We can now see that the umps don’t always get it right.

    Your argument asks us to change what we always thought, and not to care whether the play was actually called correctly. But we always cared whether the play was called correctly. We deeply cared about that.

    So your argument, delivered under the guise of a conservative belief in keeping things as they always were, turns out to be a radical attack on our deepest beliefs in baseball.

    Using the new technology, we can go back to believing that the players determine the outcome. And that’s the belief I think most fans want to have.

  212. MaineYankee June 6th, 2010 at 9:57 am

    Without going into a long diatribe and upsetting jerkface, I’ll just say I’m not in favor of replay.

    I’ll just keep the reasons to myself.

  213. Doreen - GTLU Stuff & Photos June 6th, 2010 at 9:58 am

    Also, Sherman talked about players who argue or discuss certain calls in an effort to get a better call from the ump next time around. I understand the strike zone is a defined area, and that, really, there should be no “wiggle room,” but the fact remains that many umpires have their own strike zone (maybe it’s because of their angle, their height, their vision restrictions, who knows). So, it kind of adds to the gamesmanship for players to try to gain an advantage in this way, or pitchers, too. You can call it part of the mental game that takes place on the field.

    I have read players talking about having no problem with umpires having their own strike zones – they learn them and adjust – but do have a problem with the floating – pitch to pitch, inning to inning or team to team – strike zone that is becoming more apparent and is almost impossible to adjust to.

  214. MaineYankee June 6th, 2010 at 9:59 am

    I’m sorry I should have said Wave Your Hat.

  215. kur June 6th, 2010 at 10:00 am

    Doreen

    I hope that given day is in favor for the Yankees today, since anything CAN happen.
    Thank you very much!!

  216. Doreen - GTLU Stuff & Photos June 6th, 2010 at 10:02 am

    kur -

    Me too! :lol:

  217. murphydog June 6th, 2010 at 10:02 am

    “Not certain that’s different in the sports i mentioned about. Football officials could technically call a hold on every play. A basketball ref can call a foul on most too.”

    First it’s merely a potential that a referee could act after every play. And in those cases it would be to indicate a rule violation.

    In baseball actions require a call from the official before the next thing can happen. And it’s not to indicate the rules were broken, but to signify that a pitch was a ball or strike, a play ended in a out, or a HR, etc.

    Still not sure I’m making a dispositive point regarding the propriety of more technology, but the role of officials in baseball is radically different than the other sports.

  218. Wave Your Hat June 6th, 2010 at 10:04 am

    MaineYankee-

    I submitted to murpheydog’s reasonable demand that I post my reasons.

    So I posted my reasons, at length, and now believe that everyone else should do so as well.

  219. Bronx Jeers June 6th, 2010 at 10:04 am

    The “Star Wars” enforced strike zone that Sherman proposes is a bit ridiculous.

    Having a replay system in place that give umpires the opportunity to correct a blown call is not.

    When we talk about human elements in sport with regards to failure and mistake,s I don’t believe officiating fits in with the spirit of those notions. Officiating should be seamless and anonymous. Too many umpires are making the highlight reels.

  220. Dina Temple-Raston June 6th, 2010 at 10:06 am

    Game over. Yankees lose. It’s a sweep by the Blue Jays.

  221. murphydog June 6th, 2010 at 10:07 am

    “Your argument asks us to change what we always thought, and not to care whether the play was actually called correctly. But we always cared whether the play was called correctly. We deeply cared about that.

    So your argument, delivered under the guise of a conservative belief in keeping things as they always were, turns out to be a radical attack on our deepest beliefs in baseball.”

    No. My argument says stay with the old techniques of coming to decisions, that any incremental benefit in accuracy comes at a serious cost to the nature of the game. That’s a radical attack on our deepest beliefs? Talk about an over reaction.

  222. MaineYankee June 6th, 2010 at 10:09 am

    Wave Your Hat

    I’ve seen how discussions go here at times and so I should have refrained from making a comment. I will refrain from continuing to add to the fire. Forgive me if I was trying to be controversial.

  223. pat June 6th, 2010 at 10:10 am

    “Fix the problem with the umpires.”

    Questech (sp?) was supposed to be a tool designed to implement changes but have any changes come from it or does it evaluate the umpires and continue to run the bad ones out there year after year?

  224. GreenBeret7 June 6th, 2010 at 10:13 am

    The showboating umpires started shortly after the showboating ball players turned up. Reggie Jackson and later Billy “White Shoes” Johnson and Emmitt Ashford and shortly after, Ron Lucciano. There’s a reason that I stopped watching football and basketball….including any and all post season games. It was like “Dancing With The Stars”. I miss guys like Mantle and Ellie Howard, who would rip a ball up the middle on purpose to get back at a pitcher, or and Early Wynn or Bob Gibson, who would deck a hitter for that crap.

  225. Wave Your Hat June 6th, 2010 at 10:13 am

    “No. My argument says stay with the old techniques of coming to decisions, that any incremental benefit in accuracy comes at a serious cost to the nature of the game. That’s a radical attack on our deepest beliefs? Talk about an over reaction.”

    murphydog,

    You wanted to have a rational argument, and I complied. I explained why your argument was radical.

    You want to raise the procedural – how the umps make the calls – over the substantive – whether the calls are right.

    I believe that what fans always cared about the most was that the right calls are made, but that the technology never existed to show that that deep belief was not supported in reality. You want to say, oh never mind that the calls are incorrect, but that argument is radical because you are asking the fans to change what was most important to them.

    Not an over-reaction on my part at all.

    If you think I have unfairly presented your argument, by all means explain how.

  226. Wave Your Hat June 6th, 2010 at 10:15 am

    MaineYankee-

    You were doing what I often do, which is making a controversial remark with your tongue firmly in your cheek. I wasn’t really criticizing you, I was making a similar remark back.

    Please do be controversial, it gets so boring otherwise.

  227. Send Tex to Mex June 6th, 2010 at 10:16 am

    josh June 6th, 2010 at 7:28 am
    Send Tex ? again, you say they won?t be in the playoffs but they are on pace to win 100 games with him batting .215. Also, do you really expect him to hit like this the whole season?
    +++++++++++++

    Josh whats their record the last 30 games – thats probably more how they’ll play the rest of the year if Tex doesn’t pick it up – than the .670 winning % they had in april when Cano was hitting 500, cervelli was hitting 400, gardner was hitting 400 and just about everyone else was at career numbers? do you think swisher is going to hit 315 when he’s a career 240 hitter?, cano is good but he isn’t going to hit 370, same with gardner, if posada dh’s then you have an average hitting catcher behind the plate which negates the advantage they had with posada catching

    as for do i expect him to hit like this all year – i don’t know – first it was the poor excuse that it was april, then he promised he’d hit in may and he did for 5 games have you seen how BAD he looks swinging at a breaking pitch – even jason giambi didn’t strikeout 5 TIMES in a game..
    and yes he isn’t the only one to blame (paging CC sabathia) but i’m not going to point cervelli out or even kevin russo because they didn’t sign a $180 million contract..

    if he starts hitting alot of things fall into place

  228. MaineYankee June 6th, 2010 at 10:17 am

    Wave Your Hat

    You nailed me. :lol:

  229. Tarheelyank June 6th, 2010 at 10:18 am

    “Still, nobody and nothing in this life is perfect and the game is a sublime test of how close we mortals can come to an ideal, in this case an athletic one.”

    Galarraga was a perfect example. I had hoped Selig would overturn the call. Yet, just another instance of me disagreeing with the commissioner.

    Yet the greater lesson was how much grace and compassion a player could show for another human being. At it’s core, it’s a game for kids. Lessons like the one Galarraga exemplified are priceless. Perfect games are very special (a replay would have corrected the situation). But, IMO Gallarraga has something even more special, Our respect and gratitude. I guess one could say imperfect was perfect.

  230. Joe from Long Island June 6th, 2010 at 10:18 am

    Good morning, all.

    I deliberately stayed away from here last night, because I knew what was coming, just quickly skimming this AM. (By the way, I hope MTU found his garlic and silver bullets. If only we transmit them electronically….)

    murphydog – that was quite an essay. I envy your writing skills, not surprising given your professional life. Don’t know that I agree with your opinion here, though. I don’t know if I’d make everything a hi-technology call, but let the umpires decide when they need the eye-in-the-sky to help to get it right, in certain situations. Heck, the replay review for HRs seems to be working out. Why not a trial of expanding things to calls on the bases, with the replay ump calling down as the replays are shown – both overturning and NOT overturning.

    That’s it for now. Time to get on home. Later, guys.

  231. Doreen - GTLU Stuff & Photos June 6th, 2010 at 10:19 am

    murphydog -

    If the challenges are limited to 2 a game per team, I think it’s doable without changing the nature of the game too much. Of course, then we wouldn’t be treated to the arguing antics of a Lou Pinella or the legendary Earl Weaver – also part of the “charm” of the game. :) Arguing calls interrupts the pace of the game, but it’s entertainment. Technical reviews are not. :)

    I don’t like his idea of suspending a manager for 20 games (did I read that correctly?) for coming out of the dugout to argue. And while I think endless visits to the mound by a catcher can get tedious, that doesn’t happen every game, or every hitter, so that doesn’t upset me all that much.

    If technology is incorporated, it has to be done right, it has to be limited in scope and it has to be understood that the changes are not to denigrate umpires but to assist them. The HR test case really has been successful, with the exception that it would be better if the umpires did not have to leave the field to view the video. Having a 5th umpire in the booth would help in that regard.

  232. Erica in NY June 6th, 2010 at 10:20 am

    Good morning all-

    Off to the beach for the day until much, much later.

    Happy Yankee Viewing to all!!!

    And tarheelyank-
    I think I am dropping a certain first baseban to my reserves again. Its for the greater good

  233. murphydog June 6th, 2010 at 10:21 am

    Wave:

    “You want to raise the procedural – how the umps make the calls – over the substantive – whether the calls are right.”

    Of course I value accuracy. I’m saying, however, that incremental gains in accuracy through greater reliance on technology come at a cost to the nature of the game and its traditional reliance on the human element. Sorry, but I don’t see that as radical.

  234. MaineYankee June 6th, 2010 at 10:21 am

    It seems that some want perfect umps judging imperfect players.

    Without trying to start another firestorm, this goes back somewhat to the fight between “old school” and sabermetrics.

  235. randy l. June 6th, 2010 at 10:21 am

    “Thanks for letting me know what day to avoid the blog.”

    maine yankee-

    damn, i was hoping you weren’t up yet :)

    what time does the sun hit maine ?

  236. Doreen - GTLU Stuff & Photos June 6th, 2010 at 10:23 am

    Erica -

    Enjoy your day at the beach!! You’ve had great weekends so far.

    Our backyard pool is finally swimmable – thank goodness! Three weeks it took to get in shape, and the care of it has contributed to the lately erratic running of GTLU. ;)

  237. Wave Your Hat June 6th, 2010 at 10:27 am

    My concern is that the current system is not sustainable.

    It is comforting, I admit, to have the game continue to be umpired as it always was. I sympathize with that view myself.

    But the problem is that the fans now have information they didn’t have before. They can see what the call actually should have been. The next day they can look at pitch f/x and see which balls and strikes were called right and which were wrong.

    What’s new and different is the disconnect between what the fans want to believe – that all calls are right – with what they now know. In the long run I believe this disconnect will have a subversive effect on the fans’ belief in the game.

    That’s why I believe things will seem to change – ever increasing reliance will be made on technology to aid in calling the game – in order to prevent more radical change, which would be to the underlying way in which fans view the game at all.

  238. SJ44 June 6th, 2010 at 10:29 am

    Randy,

    The nephew got hit in the head Friday night with a 96 MPH fastball. The new helmet that Cervelli wears (all minor leaguers must wear it) saved him bigtime.

    Just got a slight headache out of it.

    Has to see another doctor tomorrow before being cleared to play.

    Re: the umpires….I’m all for using available technology to help them do their jobs better.

    I’m more for a system that weeds out the bad ones and adds new blood to the group.

    If a player can’t get the job done, he gets replaced.

    All too often, a bad umpire ends up with a post-season assignment. That has to change.

    Make their rating system more transparent and hold them publicly accountable for their work and actions.

    IMO, that’s as important as adding more technology to the game.

  239. Erica in NY June 6th, 2010 at 10:29 am

    Doreen-

    Glad you got the pool swimmable. Last week my cousin almost divorced her husband over their green swimming pool.

    Anyway, have a wonderful day :-)

  240. MaineYankee June 6th, 2010 at 10:30 am

    randy

    Looks like it’s not going to be sunny here at all today. Raining and cleaning up after a small tornado hit yesterday.

    You need to know I’m always lurking. :lol:

  241. murphydog June 6th, 2010 at 10:30 am

    “I’m more for a system that weeds out the bad ones and adds new blood to the group.”

    Yup.

  242. Tarheelyank June 6th, 2010 at 10:32 am

    “Look, when I was a kid, we were constantly told that the umpires never, or almost never, blew a call.”

    That’s not what I was told when I was a kid. I was always told umpire mistakes are part of the game. You accept it and move on.

    “But today that belief is under assault, because of super-slow motion high definition replays from multiple angles, and pitch f/x which can show exactly where in the strike zone the pitch is.”

    This is the core of your argument. What I like to think of as the Vulcan response. It sounds logical so it must be. Whats wrong with humans (being umpired by humans) playing a game that’s not perfect. I am not a Vulcan.

    “So your argument, delivered under the guise of a conservative belief in keeping things as they always were, turns out to be a radical attack on our deepest beliefs in baseball.Using the new technology, we can go back to believing that the players determine the outcome. And that’s the belief I think most fans want to have. ”

    Nice try. Your argument is all about new school, Murphy’s is old school.

  243. Doreen - GTLU Stuff & Photos June 6th, 2010 at 10:32 am

    WYH -

    I also think it is inherently unfair that the viewing audience has more information than the umpires. It didn’t always be thus. Before television viewing was prolific, only the people closest to the plays had any idea of the accuracy of the calls. And in the early days of television, you didn’t have the angles, the closeups, then the replay and the slo-mo.

    I don’t want the nature and pace of the game changed. But I think at this point, with what’s available, certain things can change without too much damage to the tradition of the game.

  244. Doreen - GTLU Stuff & Photos June 6th, 2010 at 10:33 am

    Erica -

    Oh, I understand that sentiment. I was in tears, I was hysterical. And one should know I never wanted this pool in the first place (though I enjoy it now), because I knew that the day would come when it would end up being my responsibility. :)

  245. Betsy - Hughes rules (pleading the Fifth) June 6th, 2010 at 10:37 am

    I just have to say that I can not believe how dead this place has become……last night, it was a morgue and it was the same way the last few nights.

  246. murphydog June 6th, 2010 at 10:38 am

    “This is the core of your argument. What I like to think of as the Vulcan response. It sounds logical so it must be. Whats wrong with humans (being umpired by humans) playing a game that’s not perfect. I am not a Vulcan.”

    :)

  247. pat June 6th, 2010 at 10:39 am

    “Make their rating system more transparent and hold them publicly accountable for their work and actions.”

    Which gets back to my Questek question. The technology was introduced but what are they doing with it?

  248. Wave Your Hat June 6th, 2010 at 10:40 am

    “Nice try. Your argument is all about new school, Murphy’s is old school.”

    I don’t think this argument is a new school – old school one.

    It seems to be, because Murphy is arguing to keep things the same, while I’m arguing things may have to change.

    But it’s not because I think things have to be measured more accurately, and that through more accurate measurement we will get a better game. I’d be perfectly happy with the existing system as long as I didn’t know many calls were wrong.

    My problem is that things have ALREADY changed, that the casual fan now knows that many more close plays are wrongly called than he or she used to think were wrongly called, and this has ALREADY begun to affect the casual fans’ belief that the game’s outcome is determined by the players.

    I think this change in the fans’ knowledge has to be addressed, and that the answer can’t be that the fans just have to get used to it, because it is asking fans to get used to something that it opposed to what makes them love sport n the first place.

  249. MaineYankee June 6th, 2010 at 10:42 am

    Wave Your Hat

    IMO if they go to far with replay it has the potential to ruin the game. As it is now some replays that the stations do are overdone.

    Replay in football has really spoiled the game for me. It has caused the officals to be less willing to make the proper call and rely to much on replay.

  250. pat June 6th, 2010 at 10:42 am

    Doreen

    We opened both our pool and my parents pool last weekend. I feel your pain. :wink:

  251. randy l. June 6th, 2010 at 10:44 am

    “The nephew got hit in the head Friday night with a 96 MPH fastball. The new helmet that Cervelli wears (all minor leaguers must wear it) saved him bigtime.”

    sj44-

    that’s awesome that it works so good. is he wearing a traditional mask or the new high tech catching mask.

    i think there needs to be protection on the back of the head too while catching.

    i once got my bell rung pretty bad by a willie mays aikens follow through in live BP that hit me in the back of the head.

    great to see tony is playing so well. he’s an amazing story with how he’s improved himself each year. not many players do that to the extent he has. i’m still kicking myself for not getting to see him play when he was on the cape.

  252. Betsy - Hughes rules (pleading the Fifth) June 6th, 2010 at 10:45 am

    SJ, oh wow – thank goodness for those helmets; I’m so glad Tony is ok. What is MLB waiting for? This is one instant where the minor leagues are ahead of the game.

    I just don’t see any reason not to have instant replay – and I consider myself something of a baseball purist. I don’t care one bit about “this is how it’s always been done and this is how it should always be done” in this case. If you can get a call right, then you have to get it right; the idea of games turning on bad plays is sickening to me. It’s just not fair. I don’t care if it adds a few minutes to the game. If Selig cares so much about game length, he should resign and become commish of a sport that has proscribed restraints, like the NFL, NBA or NHL. I absolutely hate the idea also of putting limits on the number of challenges – unless you are going to limit the # of bad calls umpires make a game?

  253. LGY June 6th, 2010 at 10:45 am

    If baseball was invented today…

    If Alexander Cartwright sat down on this Sunday morning and figured out how baseball should be played today….

    Would he institute instant replay as part of the umpiring of the game?

    Or, would he choose to ignore the technology and create a game in which the calls made are often not correct?

    If you could create a sport today…

    If you devoted tons of time and effort to creating a game that you love, would you ignore the technology in favor of umpires being on their own without replay to help them?

    Is the argument against replay really about preserving some grand tradition in baseball?

    Or is this tradition simply a result of the technology not yet being available when baseball was created?

  254. SJ44 June 6th, 2010 at 10:45 am

    Betsy,

    It’s the byproduct of the impersonators and punks taking over the place and playing the moron version of, “Can You Top This”.

    It will get worse when school is out for the summer.

    The powers that be don’t seem to care so, the good posters will just stay away from many of the threads and post less. Just the way it goes.

  255. Wave Your Hat June 6th, 2010 at 10:47 am

    MaineYankee-

    That is the other side of the coin, I admit.

  256. MaineYankee June 6th, 2010 at 10:47 am

    Wave Your Hat

    “I think this change in the fans? knowledge has to be addressed, and that the answer can?t be that the fans just have to get used to it, because it is asking fans to get used to something that it opposed to what makes them love sport n the first place.”

    Don’t you think this could be accomplished by having the umps do a better job?

    Having more replay without making the umps more accountable really doesn’t address the problem, it just masks it.

  257. randy l. June 6th, 2010 at 10:48 am

    “Your argument is all about new school, Murphy’s is old school.”

    i’ll bet murphydog is still ticked off about dylan going electronic at the newport folk festival .

    not that there’s anything wrong with that :)

  258. Wave Your Hat June 6th, 2010 at 10:49 am

    Betsy-

    I don’t post in the game threads because I can’t type and watch the game at the same time, but I don’t think this morning has been dead, maybe I’m biased because I’ve been posting, but there seems to have been interesting comments all around.

    Seems like the wrong time to be negative.

  259. SJ44 June 6th, 2010 at 10:50 am

    Randy,

    He doesn’t like the hockey mask. He uses the traditional mask with a custom made hard hat to protect him from hitter backswings.

    Hopefully, he gets cleared to play in time for the All Star Game next Saturday.

  260. Doreen - GTLU Stuff & Photos June 6th, 2010 at 10:50 am

    I tend to free think (meaning my thoughts go off on tangents), so this thought just occurred to me.

    2 challenges per game.

    Okay. Let’s do that. Let’s allow those bang/bang plays to be challenged a maximum of 2 times per game per team.

    Let’s say it’s one of those days where there are a lot of particularly close calls. A manager chooses whether to challenge or not. If he chooses not to challenge, because it’s early inteh game, maybe, and the replays that we see on television show that perhaps he should have, that the umpire got it wrong, the umpire is still getting it wrong in that regard and technology did not help to get it right, because no one chose to use the technology in that instance.

    Or, another scenario: you have a challenge happy manager who uses his two challenges up, and both times the umpire was right. Then a third situation arises, perhaps a potentially game-changing situation, and the manager has no challenges left. Technology that the audience is privy to shows that the ump got it wrong and the outcome of the game suffers as a result. Again, technology did not help get it right, when it perhaps counted more.

    I suppose what I’m trying to say is there is no perfect solution for this, is there? Perfection does not exist.

  261. murphydog June 6th, 2010 at 10:53 am

    randy l:

    No, I’m ticked off that Dylan ran out of things to say, at least in song ;)

    I have five guitars ranging from a Les Paul and a Fender Strat to an Ovation acoustic electric. When I had the time to practice I could play them pretty well. I prefer singer-songwriter stuff, anybody with a busted voice singing something meaningful, at least to them. At the same time, a loud raunchy blues riff can do a body good. Never was good enough to play jazz but love to listen to it. Give me some Miles Davis any day.

  262. Betsy - Hughes rules (pleading the Fifth) June 6th, 2010 at 10:54 am

    LGY, he would use replay and it wouldn’t be a doubt in my mind. It’s because I love the game so much (I am NOT accusing anyone else of not loving the game, just explaining where I’m coming from) that I want replay. I hate when blown calls go in the Yankees favor because I hate that it’s unfair to the other team and then you question whether the game would have ended up differently. The same goes vice versa. It’s not the same as suggesting that robots replace umpires – the idea is to get the calls right. I don’t buy the human element stuff- the umpires will presumably make more right calls then wrong, so replay won’t be used THAT much.

    SJ, I know that’s the reason – and I find that a shame. The trolls are annoying, but I agree with you that it’s the imposters driving people away. As I said yesterday, when entertainment becomes hard work (trying to explain yourself as not having made certain comments, etc………), then people have no problem giving that entertainment up. It’s just not worth the effort……….I don’t know if Chad or Sam (well, not Sam now – I’m sure he’s spending time with his baby) glance at the threads as a look-see, but if they did, they can’t be happy (neither can their bosses).

  263. Doreen - GTLU Stuff & Photos June 6th, 2010 at 10:55 am

    SJ44 –

    Glad Tony benefitted from that helmet!!! Very scary moment anyway, I’m sure.

    Betsy,

    The discussion that’s been going on this morning is an example of what I always came here for. The game threads and post-games after losses are just not worth it anymore. Sometimes I’ll skim, but don’t post much at those times anymore. It’s like hitting your head against a wall. :?

  264. Wave Your Hat June 6th, 2010 at 10:55 am

    MaineYankee-

    I personally think the umps do a very good job, I think it is an extremely hard job, but that getting close plays consistently right, getting balls and strikes consistently right when they are close, is perhaps beyond the limits of human perception.

    I think the umps we have are probably among the best at doing what they do – sure there could be more competition, and the worse ones replaced with better ones, although I don’t know what that would do in the long run to the quality of umpires as the increased turnover made it a less rewarding job.

    The problem is that the technology has now progressed beyond what a human being can perceive in real time. And worse, that technology has become generally accessible to the casual fan and there is no going back.

    So something will have to change. The status quo is not sustainable.

  265. GreenBeret7 June 6th, 2010 at 10:55 am

    Then, there is the vast majority that will always find something to complain about with the new system. The tape was manipulated. They corrected two mistakes, but what about the one they missed?

    Just leave the game where it belongs…firmly rooted in the 20th century with new kids replacing the old….with Jeter replacing Wagner, Nunez replacing Jeter, Jiminez replacing Feller, Hughes replacing Ford. The world may be better with technology, but, not always as enjoyable.

  266. MaineYankee June 6th, 2010 at 10:56 am

    How many times have you watched reply in football and have former players give their view of it only to have the ref rule differently.

    How can replay be the be all end all when it often times is up to interpretation?

  267. LGY June 6th, 2010 at 10:57 am

    SJ,

    That is great news about your nephew.

    All major leaguers should be mandated to wear that helmet. It is a tragedy waiting to happen.

  268. Bronx Jeers June 6th, 2010 at 10:58 am

    It seems that some want perfect umps judging imperfect players.
    ————————————————————————————–

    How about just not wanting to see officiating change the natural outcome of a competition?

    And I don’t see how this needs to be a meditation on perfection vs imperfection. We’ve got people saying our lives are imperfect and baseball needs to be a steadfast reflection of that.

    I don’t think Mariano is so universally loved because he reminds us of the imperfection in our lives. As a mater of fact, I think it’s quite the opposite.

  269. GreenBeret7 June 6th, 2010 at 11:01 am

    I’ll stay with Dylan, Arlo and Woody Gutherie and Leadbelly.

  270. MaineYankee June 6th, 2010 at 11:02 am

    Doreen

    The bang bang plays are the ones I’d rather leave alone. Those are the ones you could replay it 6 times and still not be totally sure.

    Hitting your head against the wall would be less painfull. :lol:

  271. murphydog June 6th, 2010 at 11:04 am

    “I don’t think Mariano is so universally loved because he reminds us of the imperfection in our lives. As a mater of fact, I think it’s quite the opposite.”

    But when he blows a save or loses a crucial WS game it’s the exception that proves the rule; his humanity reminds us of his perfection ;)

  272. MaineYankee June 6th, 2010 at 11:05 am

    randy

    Just think if they had masks and helmets like that when you played maybe we could understand what you post here. :lol:

  273. Tarheelyank June 6th, 2010 at 11:05 am

    “My problem is that things have ALREADY changed, that the casual fan now knows that many more close plays are wrongly called than he or she used to think were wrongly called, and this has ALREADY begun to affect the casual fans’ belief that the game’s outcome is determined by the players.”

    Baseball for me is all about tradition. Passing it down from generation to generation. “casual fans” should know bad calls are part of the game. I think of Billy, and one the first things that I think of is him kicking dirt on the ump. If casual fans can’t accept humans umpiring, there is always the X-Box.

    Having said all that, There is some room for improvement. Weeding out bad umps, Home Run replays are examples. But as Murphy said it’s a slippery slope…

  274. randy l. June 6th, 2010 at 11:06 am

    sj44-

    i never wore the new mask.
    i probably wouldn’t like it either.
    custom made hard hat sounds like a good alternative.

  275. MaineYankee June 6th, 2010 at 11:07 am

    murphydog

    If I hadn’t been busy ragging on randy I was going to make that point.

    Of course it doesn’t help when I only type one word a minute.

  276. Bronx Jeers June 6th, 2010 at 11:11 am

    On the other hand I will say the only reason we are having this debate is because of television.

    There’s no replay at the games themselves. Fans really don’t know if a call was booted until they get home and see it again.

    IMO television is great as it makes the games so accessible but I’d be lying if I said I didn’t think the game has been damaged from it.

    Now there’s a ton of TV’s at all the stadiums. I always find it funny when you see people watching the game on TV while it’s being played live right in front of them.

  277. Tarheelyank June 6th, 2010 at 11:13 am

    “But when he blows a save or loses a crucial WS game it’s the exception that proves the rule; his humanity reminds us of his perfection”

    :D

    Maine
    Thats me, the hunt and peck method of typing. I also flunked out of GB’s spelling class. A Lethal combination.

  278. randy l. June 6th, 2010 at 11:16 am

    “Just think if they had masks and helmets like that when you played maybe we could understand what you post here.”

    maine yankee-

    actually i was so smart before i would have never come on this blog to banter back and forth with you and gb7 had it not been for the hits to the head :)

    … it would take a few more hits to the head to get me on what game posts have become.

  279. randy l. June 6th, 2010 at 11:27 am

    ” I prefer singer-songwriter stuff, anybody with a busted voice singing something meaningful, at least to them.”

    murphydog-

    since i was boycotting the game blog, i had plenty of time to multitask and watch on netflix a documentary” Joan Baez: How Sweet the Sound ” with the game on in the background.

    pretty amazing how it captured the early days of the folk movement with dylan and others
    and her personal connections with martin luther king and the civil rights movement. i’d highly recommend watching it.

  280. BIG AL June 6th, 2010 at 12:33 pm

    First, I love Tex, but he is killing this team right now. If Girardi won’t move him in the line-up. then he should give him a couple of days off. I believe A-Rod 3rd and Cano 4th right now would benefit the team. It’s great to be loyal to a player, but, as manager, you also must do what is right for the team, and allow the team the best chance at winning. It would be easy to blame Chad for his pitching in the 14th inning, but, how many scoring chances were blown throughout the game with men in scoring position, and the middle of the line-up batting. We’re getting great pitching, but, no offense.

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