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Yankees draft Cito Culver

Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Misc on Jun 07, 2010 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

The Yankees top pick in the 2010 draft is a high schooler named Cito Culver.

He’s a switch-hitting shortstop, considered better from the left side. MLB.com says he has gap-to-gap power and above-average speed. He also has a pretty big fastball from the mound.

I’ve never seen the guy and only heard of him when his name was announced, but he sounds like a wild-card kind of pick. Very high potential with a lot of unknowns.

UPDATE, 11:05 p.m.: The Yankees just sent a press release about the Culver pick. It includes a comment from Damon Oppenheimer. Here it is…

The New York Yankees tonight selected 17-year-old switch-hitting shortstop Chris “Cito” Culver out of Irondequoit High School in Rochester, N.Y., with their first-round selection (32nd pick overall) in the 2010 First-Year Player Draft.

Culver, listed at 6 feet, 172 pounds, batted .561 (37-for-66) with 10 doubles, five triples, nine home runs, 38 RBI and 20 walks in 22 regular season games this past season as a high school senior, according to his school’s Web site. He also had a .933 fielding percentage, committing just eight errors in 120 total chances, helping lead his school to the Monroe County Division title. Named his team’s most valuable player in each of the last three seasons, Culver was also a three-time all-county selection and an Under Armour All-American.

Last summer, Culver played on the Yankees’ Area Code team, working out at Yankee Stadium and participating in a tournament in California. Baseball America rated the shortstop as the third-best prospect out of the state of New York. Under his high school bio page, Culver lists his favorite baseball team as the New York Yankees and one of his favorite baseball players as Derek Jeter.

“We were able to draft a very athletic kid who can play a good shortstop,” said Damon Oppenheimer, Yankees Vice President of Amateur Scouting. “He has a plus arm, is a solid runner and is an excellent hitter. He’s a player we are happy to have. It was an easy decision for us.”

Culver is just the second high school shortstop drafted by the Yankees (also C.J. Henry in 2005) in the first round since the club selected Derek Jeter with the sixth overall pick in the 1992 First-Year Player Draft.

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  1. CT23 June 7th, 2010 at 10:03 pm

    i have a feeling that this could be another cj henry situation…

  2. Betsy - Hughes rules (pleading the Fifth) June 7th, 2010 at 10:03 pm

    Awful:

    Baseball America scouting report. Ugh

    Hidden away in upstate New York—hardly a baseball hotbed—Culver sticks out like a sore thumb. He is the rare Northeast prep product with a legitimate chance to play shortstop in the major leagues. Culver’s best tool is his arm, which rates as a 65 on the 20-80 scouting scale. Some scouts report seeing him up to 94 mph off the mound, but he has no interest in pitching. The game comes easily to Culver, whose actions, instincts and range are all plus at times, though he has a long way to go to become a consistent defender, and some believe he profiles as a utility player down the road. The 6-foot-2, 175-pound Culver is a solid-average runner and a switch-hitter with a loose, whippy swing from both sides of the plate. He projects to have below-average power and is mostly a slap hitter, but he does generate good bat speed and could be an average hitter as he gets stronger. Culver is an excellent athlete who plays basketball in the winter, and he could take off once he focuses on baseball. He could be drafted in the fourth- to sixth-round range, but he is considered a difficult sign away from his Maryland commitment.

  3. Icebird753 June 7th, 2010 at 10:04 pm

    nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo. Nick f@$!@#g Castellanos? Why not him?

  4. Melissa June 7th, 2010 at 10:04 pm

    I don’t know why the Yankees didn’t just chose SS Mike Antonio from George Washington HS instead of this guy. I know him personally and he truly wanted to be a Yankee.

  5. chan ho's runs June 7th, 2010 at 10:04 pm

    Wow. Just…wow.

  6. Ron June 7th, 2010 at 10:04 pm

    This was a major reach

    They had so many red-chippers to choose from and take take a 3rd rounder.

    Disappointing.

  7. Marc June 7th, 2010 at 10:04 pm

    This actually seems to be a very poor pick. Ranked 168 by Baseball America. Here is their writeup on him:

    Hidden away in upstate New York—hardly a baseball hotbed—Culver sticks out like a sore thumb. He is the rare Northeast prep product with a legitimate chance to play shortstop in the major leagues. Culver’s best tool is his arm, which rates as a 65 on the 20-80 scouting scale. Some scouts report seeing him up to 94 mph off the mound, but he has no interest in pitching. The game comes easily to Culver, whose actions, instincts and range are all plus at times, though he has a long way to go to become a consistent defender, and some believe he profiles as a utility player down the road. The 6-foot-2, 175-pound Culver is a solid-average runner and a switch-hitter with a loose, whippy swing from both sides of the plate. He projects to have below-average power and is mostly a slap hitter, but he does generate good bat speed and could be an average hitter as he gets stronger. Culver is an excellent athlete who plays basketball in the winter, and he could take off once he focuses on baseball. He could be drafted in the fourth- to sixth-round range, but he is considered a difficult sign away from his Maryland commitment.

  8. Erica in NY June 7th, 2010 at 10:05 pm

    Triple short of a Cycle June 7th, 2010 at 10:03 pm
    Erica,

    I expected something flashier

    *********

    Thats exactly the thing. I needed less flash.

  9. vtred June 7th, 2010 at 10:05 pm

    Worst pick of the draft.

    Work ethic issues, limited upside, so many better players available.

  10. tampayank June 7th, 2010 at 10:05 pm

    “# Nick in SF June 7th, 2010 at 9:43 pm

    Someone please tell commenter CB that Buster Posey is catching tonight, just threw out runner in a strike-’em-out-throw-’em-out DP. The future is now.

    watched some of his games a few years ago at FSU during super regionals and the college world series, he was insane….about time he got brought up to the Bigs. What position did they bring him up to play? assume it’s not catcher

  11. DMan June 7th, 2010 at 10:05 pm

    BBA ranked him #168 and we take him at 32. Great work.

  12. Sacfly June 7th, 2010 at 10:05 pm

    Castell,Cole,Allie,Wojo,Jenkins and we pick this guy.What the hell just happened?

  13. S. Lanninham June 7th, 2010 at 10:06 pm

    horrible pick. just putrid

  14. vblade June 7th, 2010 at 10:06 pm

    Cito Culver:

    Link: http://baseballbeginnings.com/…..#more-4214

    The first thing you would notice about Culver is that his athletic actions jump off the field. Listed at 6-1, 167 he’s got a modest build on which the strength is still filling in. The quickness jumps out, both in his hands and his footwork. It also plays in his running speed and he has a fast first step.

    The next tool would be his arm. On the mound, he was 90-91, which really isn’t bad for a guy with that kind of frame. What you didn’t see with Culver was a lot of physical projection for height, which would make his future as a right-handed pitcher pretty nominal. On one play, a kid fouled a pitch back behind the screen. Culver came off the mound, full speed, and caught up to his catcher deep in foul territory. It was a throwaway play to some scouts, but it showed me reflexes, his first step and his acceleration. The guy is an athlete.

    He was very new to hitting with wood when I saw him and he didn’t have the strength. But all this guy would have to do is learn how to slap the ball and put it on the ground and he can run you .300 and have the arm and range for 2B, SS and 3B. So the guy could become a very good bench player or a very good everyday player if the offense comes along. What you cannot discount is the easy and loose athletic actions. You can’t buy those and they don’t sell them at the gym.

  15. HughesTheAce June 7th, 2010 at 10:06 pm

    Hope he turns out better than the last toolsy SS we took in the 1st round.

    Was hoping for Allie or Wilson there – oh well. Go Yanks tomorrow!

  16. steveoh June 7th, 2010 at 10:06 pm

    What a waste.

  17. whatever June 7th, 2010 at 10:07 pm

    Fire Cashman

  18. BT June 7th, 2010 at 10:07 pm

    The only explanation I can think of is that they didn’t want to sign their 1st round pick so they get an extra pick in the deeper 2011 draft. Thus, they just take some guy who they have no interest in signing.

    But then why would you want your rivals (who have multiple picks in the supp round) to get their hands on these highly-rated guys if they fall?

    Just strange. Waiting for next year to get an extra pick in a better talent pool is the only thing I can think of.

  19. RS June 7th, 2010 at 10:07 pm

    I’m afraid the only reason the Yankees picked this kid is because they’re desperate to find a shortstop to replace Jeter. Every other position on the big league team seems pretty easy to project in the future either internally or through free agency.

  20. CT23 June 7th, 2010 at 10:07 pm

    “He could be drafted in the fourth- to sixth-round range, but he is considered a difficult sign away from his Maryland commitment.”

    or another gerrit cole situation…

  21. Betsy - Hughes rules (pleading the Fifth) June 7th, 2010 at 10:08 pm

    From Fanhouse:

    Frankie Piliere: Don’t kill it. This guy got huge scouting bureau grades late in the year

    **Still killing it……..

  22. THE TRUTH June 7th, 2010 at 10:08 pm

    Sawx have 2 picks coming up in the compensation round, we don’t draft again until 82nd.

    Lame.

  23. Corey June 7th, 2010 at 10:08 pm

    Strange.

  24. Yankz27 June 7th, 2010 at 10:08 pm

    Wow… from the scouting report, he sounds like Ramiro Pena with a better arm. Don’t even know what to say.

  25. vblade June 7th, 2010 at 10:08 pm

    We’ll have to hear from the brass regarding this, I guess. Seems like a reach at best.

  26. Rishi June 7th, 2010 at 10:08 pm

    YankeesWFAN Culver is SS and RHP? Apparently Yanks trying to replace both Jeter and Rivera with one pick. No pressure.
    2 minutes ago via web

  27. tim June 7th, 2010 at 10:08 pm

    The only thing I can think of is that they drafted a guy that they could sign for relatively cheap and quickly and plan on going all in on their later picks with high end talent that will cost them. That’s the only way to justify this from what I’ve seen.

  28. tampayank June 7th, 2010 at 10:09 pm

    oops it is Catcher for Posey* at least tonight

  29. Jramey June 7th, 2010 at 10:09 pm

    stetson alley!

  30. Sacfly June 7th, 2010 at 10:09 pm

    Doesnt seem like the Yankees are willing to spend on International players either hope Im wrong.

  31. Jeremy June 7th, 2010 at 10:09 pm

    Mike Antonio. this guy did want to be a Yankee. I read about him on the Daily news site.

  32. Betsy - Hughes rules (pleading the Fifth) June 7th, 2010 at 10:09 pm

    Enough with the athletes – just take the best baseball players. Apparently this Allie has quite an arm. What on earth were the Yankees thinking taking this kid?

  33. whatever June 7th, 2010 at 10:09 pm

    DID ANYONE ELSE HEAR THE PEOPLE IN THE MLB STUDIO LAUGHING WHEN SELIG ANNOUNCED OUR PICK? I THOUGHT I WAS HEARING THINGS BUT I DVD’d IT.. AND YES YOU CAN CLEARLY HEAR PEOPLE LAUGHING.

  34. Nick in SF June 7th, 2010 at 10:09 pm

    Rochester???

    http://www.nostalgiamerchant.b.....hester.jpg

    tampayank, the Giants drafted Buster Posey to catch and he’s been catching in the minors, but they brought him up recently to play first base and give the offense a boost… but Bengie Molina has been an offensive black hole and they just picked up Pat Burrell, so maybe they’re going to have Buster catch more and sit Bengie.

    Or maybe it’s just a one-night thing while Bengie was getting a night off. I wasn’t watching early in the game.

  35. Joe June 7th, 2010 at 10:09 pm

    Sox have 2 picks in the next round, they are going to gobble up what we didn’t.

    Toronto has a ton of picks upcoming too.

    This is the type of picks the Cubs make, not the Yankees. Safe, limited upside.

  36. Triple short of a Cycle June 7th, 2010 at 10:10 pm

    Why wouldn’t a team like the Yankees flex their financial muscles during the draft. Makes no sense

  37. chan ho's runs June 7th, 2010 at 10:10 pm

    “On espn.com Culver is the only one they can’t link to for information b/c they don’t know who it is…”

    What an absolute joke. Great pick there.

  38. Elizabeth June 7th, 2010 at 10:10 pm

    This is in-freaking-sane. This kid is from my town. The town I grew up in and moved back to. I live right behind his high school. I almost fell over when I saw who they picked.

  39. yankswin27 June 7th, 2010 at 10:10 pm

    This ****ing guy sounds like the next Ramiro Pena…. YAY!!!!!!!!!!!

  40. Scott June 7th, 2010 at 10:11 pm

    Allie, Constatino, Cole, agghhhhhhh

    Worst pick, by far, since Cashman took over.

    At least Ian Kennedy had the potential to be a fast mover, had a good pedigree, and could slot into the back end of the rotation. This pick has 0 upside.

  41. G. Love June 7th, 2010 at 10:11 pm

    Gotta love the Yankees drafted the one guy whose name you can’t click on most major websites for scouting reports.

    I think this guy was a non-factor to most of the scouting press.

    Baffling.

  42. Jerkface June 7th, 2010 at 10:11 pm

    They drafted him as a pitcher, not a SS. He won’t be the next Ramiro Pena, he will be the next *insert dumb pitcher here*

  43. Yankee 822 June 7th, 2010 at 10:12 pm

    Guess Cash is content with Hughes, Joba, and the catchers…. he doesn’t seem intent on improving the farm. Or Hal doesn’t seem intent on it, rather….

  44. LGY June 7th, 2010 at 10:12 pm

    SJ has posted this several times in the past few days.

    Less than 2% of these guys and IFA’s play for any significant time in the big leagues.

    Criticizing a draft pick when no one on here knows who this kid is or for that matter most don’t really know anything about the other guys available except for some blurb on the internet is mostly wasted effort.

    Chances are this kid or whoever else they take does not amount to anything anyway.

    The Yankees obviously see something in this kid though and I trust them a hell of a lot more than the guys working at Baseball America.

  45. Sacfly June 7th, 2010 at 10:12 pm

    The crow actualy did laugh i just checked.Wow

  46. stuckey June 7th, 2010 at 10:12 pm

    I enjoy how MLB is attempting to brand their draft like the NBA and NFL drafts and they’ve apparently been very successful.

    It’s called the draft but you might as well call it a lottery.

  47. Dylan June 7th, 2010 at 10:12 pm

    The kid is 17… Nobody has any idea how good he will be.

  48. SJ44 June 7th, 2010 at 10:13 pm

    It’s only the first round. They have plenty of picks to flex financial muscle.

    It’s not like the football draft.

    Most of you crying have mo understanding of the baseball draft.

  49. Blowfish June 7th, 2010 at 10:13 pm

    Kennedy
    Brackman
    Cole
    Slade
    Cito?

    Cash’s first major blunder in the draft. We had so many good guys fall to us, we got lucky that teams like the Dodgers and Angels reached. And we screw it all up.

    Thank god the big league team is doing well.

  50. Jeremy June 7th, 2010 at 10:13 pm

    I thought Cashman wasn’t the main guy when it comes to these choices.

  51. Wanderer June 7th, 2010 at 10:13 pm

    I’m just as confused as everyone else, but you have to figure the Yankees liked what they saw.

  52. Billy June 7th, 2010 at 10:14 pm

    Hey guys, not sure if it was discussed but Culver has had a lot of adversity growing up. Two years ago, his dad tried to murder his mother and burn the house down. He didn’t get the exposure a lot of wamr weather players get.

    http://www.democratandchronicl.....0105070318

  53. Ythan June 7th, 2010 at 10:14 pm

    If only the Yankees read the Baseball America scouting report, they’re so much smarter than the Yankees scouting department.

  54. RalphieD (OPPC) June 7th, 2010 at 10:14 pm

    obviously culver is not a big name but its just silly some of the comments being said…can we see the rest of the yankees draft before we demolish the franchise?

  55. Billy June 7th, 2010 at 10:14 pm

    Goes by Chris not Cito.

  56. thomas June 7th, 2010 at 10:14 pm

    well until you see the kid play keep saying whatever you want. unbelieveable to say how poor of a player he is when i bet half of you have never seen him. played with him personally and is one of the best ss’s ive seen yet including my trips to baseball heaven, and marietta georgia. has played for the yankees amateur team, and angels as well and played team usa 15u.

  57. Dassit June 7th, 2010 at 10:14 pm

    They probably like what they saw. Trust them for once. Instead of trusting all those experts who only saw these players a couple of times, nevermind all these arm chair scouts popping out everywhere on the boards and blogs.

  58. G. Love June 7th, 2010 at 10:14 pm

    SI is branding his a RHP as position drafted for even thought their scouting report only talks about him as a SS.

    Is he the next Casey Kelly? Are we going to hear the words pitchability soon?

  59. Rick DC June 7th, 2010 at 10:15 pm

    Turning the TV off.

    Have no interest in seeing teams like the Mets, Sox, Jays, Rays, Angels grab all the great talent wee missed out on.

    This would be like an NFL team taking a 4th round player in the 1st round. Or an NBA taking team taking a late 2nd round/undrafted guy in the middle of the 1st round. Just a major major reach.

  60. Flash June 7th, 2010 at 10:15 pm

    Obviously Baseball America knows all because Pujols went in the 9th rd and Piazza was taken in the 62nd rd. But obviously the Baseball America top 200 list is the be all and end all when it comes to evaluating talent. It really sickens me to read what you guys are writing. You aren’t professional scouts and take what people like keith law say as gospel. Obviously the Yankees saw something they really liked in this kid. How about trust organization because i know none of you guys are professional scouts.

  61. JRod June 7th, 2010 at 10:15 pm

    The Yanks generally spend big on later round picks who are tough signs. Maybe saving money here allows you to draft a few more over slot players later.

  62. Cashman needs to go June 7th, 2010 at 10:15 pm

    wow the yankee gm never ceases to amaze on how incompetent he is – some unknown ranked 168 out of 200 – who has a lazy tag to boot

    luckily they had kevin towers to help – now i know why the padres fired his sorry a_$_$ as well

  63. Betsy - Hughes rules (pleading the Fifth) June 7th, 2010 at 10:15 pm

    I still can’t believe it……………I’m suddenly not feeling so hot about Hal and the farm system. We don’t sign IFAs and now we resort to signing some utility guy on NO ONE’s radar.

    I heard silence on MLB- probably because they couldn’t believe the Yankees would be too dumb to make that pick. I feel for the kid because he’s hated on already, lol.

  64. Rich in NJ June 7th, 2010 at 10:15 pm

    “I don’t know why the Yankees didn’t just chose SS Mike Antonio from George Washington HS instead of this guy. I know him personally and he truly wanted to be a Yankee.”

    Probably because they have a conviction about Culver, and because they actually spend tons of time and money evaluating talent.

  65. RS June 7th, 2010 at 10:16 pm

    Culver is either going to be a major bust, or he’s going to be a star and we will all look back on this day and laugh.

  66. E-City June 7th, 2010 at 10:16 pm

    LOL!!!

    We drafted a utility man in the 1st round. His upside is a utility man. He is a slap hitter!!!

    What do we need a slap hitting SS for? Isin’t that what Ramiro Pena is?

    Sick to my stomach

  67. I Collect Brett Gardner Cards June 7th, 2010 at 10:16 pm

    you people know nothing about him. so give it a rest.

  68. jones June 7th, 2010 at 10:16 pm

    way to publish something you have no idea about regarding the mom situation. maybe you should learn some facts before you speak D&C and he does go by cito not chris.

  69. Rishi June 7th, 2010 at 10:16 pm

    BloggingBombers To clear up any confusion: RT @YankeesPR Culver selected as a SS
    less than a minute ago via web

  70. Betsy - Hughes rules (pleading the Fifth) June 7th, 2010 at 10:16 pm

    LGY, so it’s ok that they took a total non-entity because he probably will fail? I don’t get that…….. I’m really starting to think Hal’s budget is constraining the Yankees; either that or Oppenheimer has no clue.

  71. Sacfly June 7th, 2010 at 10:16 pm

    Sox just took ranaudo.

  72. Rich on the 6 train June 7th, 2010 at 10:16 pm

    Don’t understand the draft. They hire a lot of scouts and come up with this kind of pick. The kid maybe best as a pitcher and here he says he doesn’t want to pitch. Then the report is he has attitude issues. I cannot wait for Damon’s comments.

  73. Jeremy June 7th, 2010 at 10:16 pm

    That’s funny. Were they really laughing at the Yankees pick ?

  74. Corey June 7th, 2010 at 10:17 pm

    Im no expert on the amateurs. So I will give the Yanks the benefit of the doubt and see what happens.

  75. Flash June 7th, 2010 at 10:17 pm

    It’s really absurd, this guy hasn’t even played a rookie league game and you guys are declaring this pick a bust.

  76. Banjo June 7th, 2010 at 10:17 pm

    An absolute WASTE of a 1st round pick. Might as well have signed some reliever like Wagner this winter to be a SU man because we just threw this pick down the drain. The 168th ranked player was chosen in the 1st round. By the best franchise in sports. Nobody on TV or on-line even had any info on him! That’s how lowly he was rated.

  77. tampayank June 7th, 2010 at 10:17 pm

    Nick in SF

    yeah I figured w/ Bengie there that Posey wouldn’t be everyday catcher…probably try to give him time at other positions(1b or 3b?)…but he definitely can swing the bat. Pat the Bat I assume is washed up but maybe he can contribute in the NL West

  78. jennifer June 7th, 2010 at 10:17 pm

    SJ- Why does it shock you anymore that people are complaining. Don’t you know they know much more than a team of scouts.

  79. Pat M. June 7th, 2010 at 10:17 pm

    SJ, You have to admit it’s a stretch pick…..Some real good guys left on the pond

  80. Chuck in Brooklyn June 7th, 2010 at 10:18 pm

    This is another waste on a top draft pick. There were so many guys still there like Bryce Brentz and if they wanted a local guy, they could have just chose Mike Antonio. I mean his school is just a bridge across from Yankee Stadium.

  81. Wave Your Hat June 7th, 2010 at 10:18 pm

    Maybe they didn’t want to spend big bucks on a first round pick and want to invest the money saved in Crawford or Lee next year?

  82. CB June 7th, 2010 at 10:18 pm

    Oh goodness. No one has any idea is this is a bad back. That’s just ridiculous. This isn’t the NFL or NBA where you can just make snap shot evaluations about a pick or argue well he’s #168 on the board, they could have taken him later. That’s not the way baseball works in the draft.

    When the Yankees drafted Austin Romine in the second round many people hated it because Romine was relatively unknown at the time. He was hurt a good part of his senior year so scouts didn’t see him much. But the yankees liked his tools and took him.

    Guys in the northeast – especially in upstate NY – are just going to be off the usual scouting radar. Those are the kinds of players that teams will know much, much better than baseball america or baseball prospectus or espn or any one else who is going to make up a “board” for the public.

    Frankie Piliere is a very smart, level headed guy and here’s what he very presciently said about the yankees pick and the likely reaction by the yankees fan base:

    “Monday June 7, 2010 9:54 Frankie Piliere
    9:56

    Frankie Piliere:
    Really readying for enraged Yankees fans

    Monday June 7, 2010 9:56 Frankie Piliere
    9:57

    [Comment From Stan Stan: ]
    Why enraged?
    Monday June 7, 2010 9:57 Stan
    9:57

    Frankie Piliere:
    I’ve seen them in action. They want the best, most expensive guy available.
    Monday June 7, 2010 9:57 Frankie Piliere
    9:58

    Frankie Piliere:
    Wow
    Monday June 7, 2010 9:58 Frankie Piliere
    9:59

    Frankie Piliere:
    Don’t kill it. This guy got huge scouting bureau grades late in the year “

  83. tampayank June 7th, 2010 at 10:18 pm

    given the Yankees recent philosophy I don’t even pay attention to the draft….most of the guys will be long gone…..austin jackson :(

  84. SJ44 June 7th, 2010 at 10:18 pm

    Ranaudo is going to be a tough sign and he’s got an elbow problem. Boras is asking for Top 5 money for him.

    Does it make sense to slam an entire draft over one pick that none of us have seen play?

    Seems foolish to me.

  85. Seth June 7th, 2010 at 10:18 pm

    They were laughing at the Yanks’ pick because it was so awful

    This is akin to the Knicks taking Renaldo Balkman in the lottery in 2006 where everyone on the set cracked up.

    When you take a utility man in the 1st round, that will garner laughs.

  86. HughesTheAce June 7th, 2010 at 10:19 pm

    I am not getting the we do not sign international FAs – we signed one of the top 3 guys from last July 2nd signing period in Gary Sanchez – we have always been aggressive on that front – way to Jackson Melian to Robinson Cano to Jesus Montero to Kelvin DeLeon/Eduardo Sosa/Ramon Flores to last year Gary Sanchez. I do not get those comments at all.

  87. Rishi June 7th, 2010 at 10:19 pm

    SI_JonHeyman think #redsox really know what theyre doing. brentz, renaudo seem pretty good for 2nd round
    2 minutes ago via web

  88. Rich in NJ June 7th, 2010 at 10:19 pm

    “Oh goodness. No one has any idea is this is a bad back. That’s just ridiculous. This isn’t the NFL or NBA where you can just make snap shot evaluations about a pick or argue well he’s #168 on the board, they could have taken him later. That’s not the way baseball works in the draft.”

    Co-sign.

  89. JRod June 7th, 2010 at 10:19 pm

    People are acting like they know a lot about these kids. This isn’t the NFL or NBA. Most people are relying on other’s information.

  90. chambliss June 7th, 2010 at 10:19 pm

    The red sox have picked three studs and the Yankees have picked one dud. Wow

  91. andrew June 7th, 2010 at 10:20 pm

    http://www.democratandchronicl.....0105070318

  92. RalphieD (OPPC) June 7th, 2010 at 10:20 pm

    “I still can’t believe it……………I’m suddenly not feeling so hot about Hal and the farm system. We don’t sign IFAs and now we resort to signing some utility guy on NO ONE’s radar.

    I heard silence on MLB- probably because they couldn’t believe the Yankees would be too dumb to make that pick. I feel for the kid because he’s hated on already, lol”

    betsy, they poured money into the draft last year, heatchott and murphy were both overslot…they spend tons in the INT market, you know about gary sanchez, they gave him a huge deal two years back…there are 49 rounds left, the yankees will get some players with high upside

  93. LGY June 7th, 2010 at 10:20 pm

    Betsy,

    That is not what I said at all. The point about him probably failing was just about tempering expectations on the draft in general. If they had taken Castellanos, it wouldn’t have made sense either to get really excited like he is the next great Yankee 3B.

    How do you know he is a non-entity?

    Because some dudes at Baseball America said so?

    Go back and look at some Baseball America mock drafts. They are wrong way than they are right.

    The Yankees obviously scouted this kid heavily and liked him. I trust them over some stupid blurb on the internet.

  94. Stu June 7th, 2010 at 10:20 pm

    Frankie is a former Yankees writer… he isin’t going to be objective about them.

    This was an awful, waste of a pick. A low upside, low ceiling pick.

    A slap hitting SS with questionable work ethic? With all the talent left on the board? No one can spin that postivieyl…

  95. JRod June 7th, 2010 at 10:20 pm

    Damn someone beat me to the NFL/NBA comparison

  96. Dylan June 7th, 2010 at 10:20 pm

    Lol I can’t believe you guys are getting so upset about a draft pick. Who cares! The kid is probably 4 or 5 years away from playing in the big leagues. Nobody knows how good he will be! Shouldn’t we trust the Yankees scouting department?

  97. Soul June 7th, 2010 at 10:21 pm

    And the Red Sox pick up another great player.

    what a disaster of a night. Ugh. Time to get some new scouts.

  98. G. Love June 7th, 2010 at 10:21 pm

    The reason we’re complaining is this guys wasn’t even ticketed for the first 2 rounds. If he were, his scouting reports would be available to click on through the major websites.

    This is either a sleeper pick or an asleep pick.

    I think a lot of fans are fearing CJ Henry again who was a terrible pick despite bringing Abreu to the Bronx in trade.

    There just doesn’t seem to be a reason for selecting this player at 32.

    After the Gerit Cole disaster the team can’t keep missing on #1′s when they all of sudden seem too timid to sign the top rated IFA’s as well.

  99. Betsy - Hughes rules (pleading the Fifth) June 7th, 2010 at 10:21 pm

    I like Frankie, but the kid’s scouting report sounds like the scouting report of the SS on my office softball team.

    What exactly does it mean to get “huge scouting bureau grades”?

  100. Sacfly June 7th, 2010 at 10:21 pm

    Toronto took Wojo.

  101. Rich in NJ June 7th, 2010 at 10:21 pm

    “And the Red Sox pick up another great player.”

    When is the HoF induction?

  102. Rick DC June 7th, 2010 at 10:22 pm

    Heyman is right— Sox know what they are doing. They know how to draft unlike Cash Moron.

    Theo would never take such a low upside player in the draft, he drafts high ceiling guys who have a chance to be good. We draft utility players. I am disgusted.

  103. whatever June 7th, 2010 at 10:22 pm

    I AM GOING TO VOMIT

  104. SJ44 June 7th, 2010 at 10:22 pm

    Pat M,

    Looks to me they went for a high upside HS player who is athletic and won’t cost 3 million to sign.

    Kind of what the Angels did with a couple of their picks.

  105. THE TRUTH June 7th, 2010 at 10:22 pm

    Lame

  106. Delin Betances June 7th, 2010 at 10:23 pm

    When will I get drafted…again.

  107. Betsy - Hughes rules (pleading the Fifth) June 7th, 2010 at 10:23 pm

    GLove, exactly. That’s why I said enough of the athletes- just pick baseball players. Also, what’s up with the issue of having a work ethic problem?

  108. tampayank June 7th, 2010 at 10:23 pm

    awaiting Gammons analysis

  109. Yanksgal03 June 7th, 2010 at 10:23 pm

    Amazing …as if you all know anything about these kids. You read a few paragraphs about some of the draftees and think you know it all. This blog is a total joke at times. When just one of you gets a job on the Yankees scouting staff let us know although from the comments made none of you would be qualified.

    Now arm chair scouts can be added to arm chair managers and GMs who in truth actually know nothing but think they do …

    This blog use to have intelligent comments but it has really gone downhill …such a shame

    Go Yankees 2010 !!!

  110. Wave Your Hat June 7th, 2010 at 10:23 pm

    Very odd. The Yanks are going to get creamed unless this guy turns out to be an impact guy. From an organizational point of view someone is really sticking their neck out.

  111. jennifer June 7th, 2010 at 10:24 pm

    Yes like Craig Hanson was a stud, and Justin Masterson.

  112. Betsy - Hughes rules (pleading the Fifth) June 7th, 2010 at 10:24 pm

    Hughestheace (love the name!), but what about this year?

    Ok, I can’t argue with those who are calling for some sanity and trust in the organization, but that scouting report makes me weep – and the Rays and Sox have made great picks.

  113. Corey June 7th, 2010 at 10:24 pm

    LOL Rich

  114. Jeremy June 7th, 2010 at 10:25 pm

    tampayank

    Okay ! You do know that Gardner, Phil Hughes, Joba Chamberlain and many others are still with the Yankees. You act like the Yankees don’t keep any talent.

    Some Yankee fans need to get over Austin Jackson and stop acting like he is some great centerfielder. He is an average player at best.

  115. CB June 7th, 2010 at 10:25 pm

    “so it’s ok that they took a total non-entity because he probably will fail? I don’t get that…….. I’m really starting to think Hal’s budget is constraining the Yankees; either that or Oppenheimer has no clue.”

    People said the same exact thing about Austin Romine. Exactly the same.

  116. Erica in NY June 7th, 2010 at 10:25 pm

    I have decided to become the world’s biggest Cito Culver fan

  117. stuart June 7th, 2010 at 10:25 pm

    the whiners are the same ones whining about cashman a few years ago when he did not pick hanson from st johns. another over hyped sux pick.

    oppenheimer has a pretty good track record recently.

    kennedy looks just fine with the diamondbacks, hughes, joba, romine, gardner, etc….

    let’s just take the expert opinions of all the bloggers ove roppenheimer especially since they missed so poorly on that cannot miss hansen pick a few years ago.

    btw the yanks have the 2nd most homegrown talent on their major league roster to I think cleveland….

  118. Cashman needs to go June 7th, 2010 at 10:25 pm

    well at least this pick will allow cashman to do what he does best, spend uncle steiney’s bucks to get hanley ramirez in 5 years

  119. Wave Your Hat June 7th, 2010 at 10:25 pm

    SJ, he doesn’t appear to be a high upside guy. Slap hitter, no power, utility…doesn’t sound high upside to me, sounds more like a budget decision.

  120. Jeff in MA June 7th, 2010 at 10:25 pm

    Hey, let’s just fire Cashman and his scouting staff and let Baseball America make our picks for us. Much better to blindly follow published rankings rather than let, hmm, people with *actual baseball knowledge* and a *pretty darn good track record* use their judgment.

    Cito Culver could be a truly horrible pick, who knows (I sure don’t) — but I’ll be rooting for him cause he’s from my alma mater. Congrats to Cito and IHS.

  121. Billy June 7th, 2010 at 10:26 pm

    I live in the area and saw him play a bit. The talent level is decent for a cold-weather climate. Scouts were at his games but from what I heard the Yankees were well aware of him. He’s in a baseball program run by RD Long who is very close to Jeter as they played in the minors together. RD has tons of contacts with the Yankees.

  122. CB June 7th, 2010 at 10:27 pm

    “Very odd. The Yanks are going to get creamed unless this guy turns out to be an impact guy. From an organizational point of view someone is really sticking their neck out.”

    They are. And they took him because he was very highly rated on the only board that matters – their board.

    The probability is that they just really liked his tools.

  123. stuart June 7th, 2010 at 10:27 pm

    the sux have like 6 homegrown players on there whole team….

    remember the great SS jed lowire another can’t miss guy.

    give me a break…

  124. Sacfly June 7th, 2010 at 10:27 pm

    Castle to the Tigers at 44pick should have been top 15.But he wanted money.Bonus

  125. G. Love June 7th, 2010 at 10:27 pm

    The thing is NONE of us know anything about him. That’s why we’re shocked.

    There’s a laundry list of info on players we could all read and digest.

    This guy is a kid out of high school who some profile as a utility guy.

    It’s a surprising pick and it seemed like the Yankees had gotten away from taking the athletic guys and were more tuned in on baseball skills guys in recent years.

    Whatever. Just be prepared to hear Gammons wax poetic about the absolute brilliance of Theo in the first round/sandwich round.

  126. Ken June 7th, 2010 at 10:28 pm

    I dont appreciate the arm chair quarterbacks out there. Cashman obviously saw something in this kid. Who is to say it is already a bust ?? Im surprised so many have lost faith in Cashman. We won the Series last year folks and he has rebuilt our minor league system into one of the top ones in baseball.

  127. JRod June 7th, 2010 at 10:28 pm

    I’m glad to see people bring up Craig Hansen. Perfect example of why people shouldn’t overreact.

  128. Disco June 7th, 2010 at 10:28 pm

    Castellanos to a team that can spend. So I doubt he’ll go to Miami. Double bummer tonight.

    The Yanks really could have made my night. Oh well- I can console myself by saying Castellanos should have never made it to us anyway.

  129. SJ44 June 7th, 2010 at 10:29 pm

    Wave,

    Sounds to me like he’s an athlete that they see some upside with, similar to a couple of the Angels HS kids.

    No doubt signability is also a factor n

    It will be interesting to see their next pick because other guys they like are still available.

  130. SJ211 June 7th, 2010 at 10:29 pm

    My guess is the won’t sign this guy purposely so they will have a 1st round pick next year. If they sign a big name (Cliff Lee) we will lose our first round pick and won’t have one at all. Look at last years draft.

  131. Ken June 7th, 2010 at 10:29 pm

    folks the baseball draft is such a crap shoot. Dont take too much stock into the selections. The reality is we dont know anything about these guys.

  132. Randy June 7th, 2010 at 10:29 pm

    Bloggers don’t have a clue. They’ve never seen any of these kids play. They’ve just read BA and a few experts.

  133. RS June 7th, 2010 at 10:29 pm

    Okay, this is really weird. Culver’s father is in prison. Last year’s top pick Slade Heathcott’s father is in prison, and Joba Chamberlain’s mother is in prison (Joba was compensation round pick in ’06).

    Do the Yankees just put a high price on adversity??

  134. Betsy - Hughes rules (pleading the Fifth) June 7th, 2010 at 10:29 pm

    CB,ok, well I admit I’m tired of ranting. I’m going to try and give the Yankees the benefit of the doubt because I love Cash and Damon had a good draft last year. It’s not going to be easy, not with our division rivals getting top talent. Even if you think BA is off on their evaluation, how far off are they? They basically called Culver a utility player.

  135. Tom in N.J. June 7th, 2010 at 10:29 pm

    “I have decided to become the world’s biggest Cito Culver fan”

    Can I be 1A?

  136. Jeremy June 7th, 2010 at 10:29 pm

    I love how now Theo Epstein is the best GM now according to some on here. Ask many Red Sox fans and they think he sucks. Also if the Red Sox farm is so great then what happened to Masterson, and Hansen, and the rest.

  137. Cito Culver June 7th, 2010 at 10:30 pm

    I understand you guys don’t know much about me, but i’ll prove all of you wrong. I’m the real Chosen One! I’m the next Jeter!!! Cash & Hal believe in me

  138. Pat M. June 7th, 2010 at 10:30 pm

    CB……Austin was a premier Prep player…….Tago has some great stuff, he has a ride to Fullerton, had some personal issues and academic issues which cost him his ride to UCLA……He’ll sign

  139. mike June 7th, 2010 at 10:31 pm

    Don’t know anything about this kid but he is a Maryland commitment and the new coach at UMD was an assistant at Vandy. I think they know a little something about talent even if you all think Oppenheimer and Cash are asleep at the wheel

  140. MikeY June 7th, 2010 at 10:31 pm

    We should ask the draft expert SJ44 how all these guys are. Actually maybe he should be the one drafting! He’s so brilliant!

  141. Sacfly June 7th, 2010 at 10:31 pm

    Tago at 47 to the Rockies

  142. Betsy - Hughes rules (pleading the Fifth) June 7th, 2010 at 10:31 pm

    An athlete with some upside? But that does not sound like a baseball player, not a first rounder anyway. If he’s such a good athlete, he should be in track and field. I really hate the idea of taking athletes…………..Ok, I know, I said I wasn’t going to rant, but it’s hard not to.

  143. Disco June 7th, 2010 at 10:32 pm

    Also- I love Oppenheimer and Cashman. They are good with the draft. And yes- they picked him because they see something special in Cito.

    But they could have got him in the third round or later. And if they missed him then, is there something so special about him you had to pick him now? Wouldn’t other teams have picked that special thing?

    For all I know, maybe they just want two picks in next years draft which is supposed to be real good.

    And Boston is looking like the winner of the first night while NY will probably be rated at the bottom with the Cubbies.

  144. SJ44 June 7th, 2010 at 10:32 pm

    Allie, Jenkins, the University of Michigan OF are still on the board.

  145. Jeremy June 7th, 2010 at 10:32 pm

    RS
    LOL ! The Yankees love getting kids that have come from broken homes. It makes them stronger. Though Chamberlain is still a big baby.

  146. G. Love June 7th, 2010 at 10:32 pm

    I actually like the idea that the Yankees threw away their 1st round pick on purpose because they knew they would lose one next year for signing either Carl Crawford or Cliff Lee.

    If that was the thinking and they think next year’s first round has more impact, I’m all for it.

  147. Rich in NJ June 7th, 2010 at 10:32 pm

    You can’t cite Baseball America and say that this is another CJ Henry because BA loved that pick.

  148. RS June 7th, 2010 at 10:32 pm

    The Red Sox took two guys in the compensation round that were expected to be top 15 picks in many mock drafts…

  149. Betsy - Hughes rules (pleading the Fifth) June 7th, 2010 at 10:33 pm

    SJ, but that makes no sense. There was talent (apparently) on the board, so why not just take it so they have the player in their system ? There’s no guarantee they sign Lee, so that would make it worse.

  150. Ken June 7th, 2010 at 10:33 pm

    Im really tired of all the nay-sayers …. We have a top 10 minor league system. Remember we developed Cano, Petite, Huges, Chamberlin, MO and Jetes. I trust Cashman.

    Enough Said !!

  151. Jerkface June 7th, 2010 at 10:33 pm

    My guess is the won’t sign this guy purposely so they will have a 1st round pick next year. If they sign a big name (Cliff Lee) we will lose our first round pick and won’t have one at all. Look at last years draft.

    Hard not to sign a 4th round talent in the 1st round, you have to offer him something reasonable, he is going to take it.

  152. LGY June 7th, 2010 at 10:34 pm

    AJ Cole still on the board also.

  153. CB June 7th, 2010 at 10:34 pm

    There’s no doubt he’s a surprising pick.

    But people are equating surprising with bad or more accurately disastrous.

    I’m surprised therefore it’s a mistake. That’s the logic rather than saying I’m surprised. I don’t have any real information about this player other than a blurb.

  154. SJ44 June 7th, 2010 at 10:35 pm

    Oh moron mikey, you are so witty.

    Instead of stalking me, why not offer something of value here?

    Come on, you can do it. Can’t be a moron your entire life.

  155. G. Love June 7th, 2010 at 10:35 pm

    If his commitment to Maryland is strong as it’s been reported, the Yankees might lowball him to make him stay committed to Maryland and keep the pick for next year.

  156. Betsy - Hughes rules (pleading the Fifth) June 7th, 2010 at 10:35 pm

    GLove, I’m not sure what you mean. Why punt a pick? It makes no sense to me.

  157. Triple short of a Cycle June 7th, 2010 at 10:35 pm

    Ken,

    Top 10 according to whom?

  158. G. Love June 7th, 2010 at 10:37 pm

    I think it’s a shrewd move to waste the pick in order to stockpile 1st rounders based on the idea that we’re signing a type A free agent in the off season.

    Maybe that’s why the pick was such a shocker? The Yankees didn’t want to do this to a kid who actually wanted to sign?

  159. Betsy - Hughes rules (pleading the Fifth) June 7th, 2010 at 10:37 pm

    Isn’t a pick that you get from not signing a first rounder unprotected?

  160. RS June 7th, 2010 at 10:37 pm

    I think people are just upset that we’re likely going to have to wait a long time to see if this kid can make an impact in the majors.

    Highly touted high school prospects take 3-4 years to make it to the big leagues. An unknown high school talent? Who knows.

  161. Ken June 7th, 2010 at 10:37 pm

    Is anyone worried about the Phillies ?? They are coming to town soon and in a horrendous slump. Im worried they may “wake up” and bring an attack to the Stadium. They are going to make someone pay for this. Im just worried its the Yanks.

  162. Erica in NY June 7th, 2010 at 10:38 pm

    Tom in N.J. June 7th, 2010 at 10:29 pm
    “I have decided to become the world’s biggest Cito Culver fan”

    Can I be 1A?
    *************

    Of course! :-)

  163. CB June 7th, 2010 at 10:38 pm

    “CB……Austin was a premier Prep player……”

    Pat M-

    To you he was. You were on him because you’d seen him.

    Austin Romine was in no way considered a premier prep player by baseball america, baseball prospectus or espn. I remember this distinctly. He was in no way widely considered a blue chipper.

    And that’s because scouts didn’t get a chance to see him play. He was hurt his senior season so most of the area guys just didn’t see him enough.

    BA didn’t even have Romine as a top guy in California.

  164. Corey June 7th, 2010 at 10:38 pm

    Is doc going in the phillies series?

  165. Jeremy June 7th, 2010 at 10:39 pm

    Though I wouldn’t include Chamberlain in the list of accomplished players. The guy is getting older and getting worse over time.

  166. G. Love June 7th, 2010 at 10:39 pm

    Betsy,

    If Cashman knows he’s signing Cliff Lee or Carl Crawford or Werth this off season he also knows he’s giving up his #1 pick in next years first round.

    By selecting a kid he has no intention of signing this year, he gets 2 1st round picks next year so when they sign the big type A free agent, they’ll still have 1 left.

    If the Yankees legitimately felt that next years 1st round projects higher than this years, it’s a smart move to keep the pick for next year.

  167. MTU (aka GBURL) June 7th, 2010 at 10:40 pm

    Speculate all you want.

    No one really has the answers except the people that suggested the Yanks draft him.

    Just because he doesn’t appear on someone’s glamour list doesn’t mean he automatically sucks.

    Or perhaps, the Yankees have some other agenda which all of us geniuses can’t figure out ?

    You can’t believe that the Yankees would just waste a 1st round pick for nothing can you ?

    You think they are really that ignorant ?

    There is a good reason for this pick, and just because we don’t see it at the moment does not mean it doesn’t exist.

    You only hear what they want you to hear. ;)

  168. CT23 June 7th, 2010 at 10:41 pm

    i think we have doc vs cc game one

  169. braeden June 7th, 2010 at 10:41 pm

    Cardinals are playing Winn in center field against the Dodgers tonight, bwahahah!!

  170. braeden June 7th, 2010 at 10:41 pm

    Cardinals are playing Winn in center field against the Dodgers tonight, bwahahah!!

  171. tampayank June 7th, 2010 at 10:41 pm

    # Jeremy June 7th, 2010 at 10:25 pm

    tampayank

    Okay ! You do know that Gardner, Phil Hughes, Joba Chamberlain and many others are still with the Yankees. You act like the Yankees don’t keep any talent.

    Some Yankee fans need to get over Austin Jackson and stop acting like he is some great centerfielder. He is an average player at best.
    “”

    you can’t honestly say the farm has produced well post core 4…..we’ve tried to solve all our issues by spending millions not by developing talent….Kevin Brown, Randy Johnson, Giambi, AROD, Wright, Sheffield etc . The Yankees currently have to resources for it not to matter short term but long term you can’t over spend to fill your roster, you fail most of the time. The exception being the CC, Tex, AJ class which delivered a Championship and maybe 1 or 2 more but everyone knows how much those contracts are on the back end of those deals.

    Phil Hughes has done great but Joba is a mess and Gardner is having a good year but I don’t think everyone is sure he is going to be a consistent everyday player for the long term

  172. JS June 7th, 2010 at 10:41 pm

    Jeremy-

    You realize that scouts consider it a success if a guy just MAKES it to the big league? In that sense, Joba is already a success.

  173. Wave Your Hat June 7th, 2010 at 10:42 pm

    “By selecting a kid he has no intention of signing this year, he gets 2 1st round picks next year so when they sign the big type A free agent, they’ll still have 1 left. ”

    GLove, this kid’s going to sign. I think you’re barking up the wrong tree on this one.

  174. Betsy - Hughes rules (pleading the Fifth) June 7th, 2010 at 10:43 pm

    GLove, but I can’t stand that mentality. Lee will probably be traded this off-season and who knows whether he will sign with that team or not. Crawford? There’s no guarantee he signs with us – the Sox and other teams will be hot on his tail. IF that’s what Cash is doing, he took a HUGE risk………Most people said there was still a ton of talent on the board; he should have taken the player that was available to him now.

  175. Corey June 7th, 2010 at 10:43 pm

    Hope the Yankees sweep the birds and astros

  176. Rich in NJ June 7th, 2010 at 10:44 pm

    It’s ridiculous to think the Yankees drafted him not to sign him.

  177. Betsy - Hughes rules (pleading the Fifth) June 7th, 2010 at 10:45 pm

    The thing about the homegrown Yankees is that the core is very old and they won’t be around for THAT much longer; how long are the Yankees going to hang their hats on them? IN the meantime, the Sox, Rays and Jays all had terrific drafts.

  178. Jerkface June 7th, 2010 at 10:45 pm

    If they pick someone they don’t plan on signing it makes sense to pick a guy who is very talented with a big # and then offer him slot.

    You don’t pick a 5th round guy and offer him slot, he’ll accept.

    They could have taken Cast and offered him slot and not had him sign

  179. CB June 7th, 2010 at 10:45 pm

    “I live in the area and saw him play a bit. The talent level is decent for a cold-weather climate. Scouts were at his games but from what I heard the Yankees were well aware of him. He’s in a baseball program run by RD Long who is very close to Jeter as they played in the minors together. RD has tons of contacts with the Yankees.”

    I can’t vouch for this being true, but it makes a great deal of sense. The yankees and there scouts have some kind of direct connection to this kid that made them want to draft him.

    The baseball draft is still not like the football draft where teams have access to the same information. They don’t.

    Jason Heyward was drafted 14. Why? He was diminished as a “raw athelete with upside.” He turned out to be athletic but much more importantly to have unbelievably advanced baseball skills and baseball IQ. But only the Braves knew that because he was in the Atlanta area.

    Assymetry of information still exists in the baseball draft.

    Look, this kid could be a huge bust. I have no idea or real opinion as I have no information. Nor does anyone else it seems.

  180. G. Love June 7th, 2010 at 10:46 pm

    All I know is leading up to this draft we saw a lot of stories about teams intentionally picking players they weren’t going to sign in order to stockpile picks for next year.

    This may not be the case, but it’s a practice that some GM’s are currently using.

    The Nats, for instance, have been applauded for using it in the first round.

  181. Jeremy June 7th, 2010 at 10:46 pm

    tampayank

    I agree. But the Yankees still have some good talent in the farm. I agree that the Yankees have not done the best job since 2001 but the Yankees have been producing some talented players.

    Joba though is a mess.

  182. stuckey June 7th, 2010 at 10:47 pm

    “IN the meantime, the Sox, Rays and Jays all had terrific drafts.”

    By what criteria did ANYONE have a terrific draft, much less on Day 1?

  183. RS June 7th, 2010 at 10:47 pm

    “If the Yankees legitimately felt that next years 1st round projects higher than this years, it’s a smart move to keep the pick for next year.”

    The only problem with that logic is that Culver doesn’t necessarily seem like he’ll be a tough sign. The article that someone posted a little while ago said that the Yankees were his favorite team of the ones that scouted him, and that he’s not sure whether he’ll sign on to play pro ball but it might depend on what round he’s drafted. Getting selected as the Yankees first round pick seems like something he’ll be right on board with. The Yankees would really have to insult him for him not to sign.

    If the Yankees truly wanted to save next year’s first round pick, wouldn’t it have made more sense to pick a high talent with signability issues? That way when they don’t sign him, he’s also off the board for competing teams, much like the situation with Gerrit Cole.

  184. Rich in NJ June 7th, 2010 at 10:48 pm

    “IN the meantime, the Sox, Rays and Jays all had terrific drafts.”

    Betsy

    And you know that because?

  185. Rishi June 7th, 2010 at 10:48 pm

    YankeesWFAN NYY official on Culver: “Real easy, smooth way about him, game’s not too fast for him.” Switch-hitting SS with good arm.
    1 minute ago via web

  186. tampayank June 7th, 2010 at 10:48 pm

    “# Betsy – Hughes rules (pleading the Fifth) June 7th, 2010 at 10:45 pm

    The thing about the homegrown Yankees is that the core is very old and they won’t be around for THAT much longer; how long are the Yankees going to hang their hats on them? IN the meantime, the Sox, Rays and Jays all had terrific drafts.

    I agree.

    And about my comment about Joba, to be fair I think the organization really messed him up w/ the Joba rules and the flip flopping between the rotation and bullpen…..I think he could/can succeed w/ some consistency w/ his role, the last few years the organization really messed him up in my opinion

  187. Todd June 7th, 2010 at 10:49 pm

    Cliff Lee this season…….. 57 Ks, FOUR walks!,!!!!

  188. it's true June 7th, 2010 at 10:49 pm

    As a Buffalo Bills fan, I’m used to being disappointed on draft day.

    Nothing new here…

  189. Jeremy June 7th, 2010 at 10:49 pm

    Betsy

    You are making too much of the draft. Most of these players you heard about tonight will not be around years from now. I understand that the Yankees need to continue to develop talent but this draft is not the end all be all.

  190. G. Love June 7th, 2010 at 10:50 pm

    You guys are most likely right about the fact that he’ll sign since he was projected lower in the draft.

    I’m just offering up another possibility since the pick seemed like such a shock to everyone.

    Unless he’s dead set on going to Maryland, he’ll most likely sign.

  191. CB June 7th, 2010 at 10:50 pm

    No one has any idea if the boston or the rays or the jays had a “great” draft.

  192. JS June 7th, 2010 at 10:50 pm

    I have a good feeling about Culver. You guys do realize that the major sources use each other’s write ups right?

  193. RS June 7th, 2010 at 10:50 pm

    I still consider Joba a successful pick because he was at one time good enough to be a centerpiece in a deal for a major player, like Johan Santana for example. Not every top prospect will become an established homegrown star, but if you can build up their value and sell them for a big piece, well that’s part of having a successful farm system.

  194. chan ho's runs June 7th, 2010 at 10:50 pm

    aaronfitt Just got a text from a scout in the Northeast: “Are you kidding me with Culver?”

  195. raymagnetic June 7th, 2010 at 10:51 pm

    OH MY GOD! I’ve never heard of this guy before, therefore he must be a bum!!!!!

    Of all the disastrous draft picks this one had to be the worst. :|

  196. Rich in NJ June 7th, 2010 at 10:51 pm

    Joba was and is a successful pick.

  197. Betsy - Hughes rules (pleading the Fifth) June 7th, 2010 at 10:52 pm

    Rich, just based on talent……….Obviously we can’t forecast the future, but we can evaluate based on talent and this kid hardly seems like he’s overly talented. As I said, I hate drafting athletes instead of baseball players.

  198. Rich in NJ June 7th, 2010 at 10:53 pm

    Betsy

    What talent is that? You are relying on paint by numbers scouting by people who don’t draft for a living.

  199. Betsy - Hughes rules (pleading the Fifth) June 7th, 2010 at 10:53 pm

    Rishi, thanks. That sounds like a million other scouting reports we’ve heard before. Where’s the stick?

  200. MTU (aka GBURL) June 7th, 2010 at 10:54 pm

    Aren’t there more rounds to the draft ?

    So let’s not close the book on this one just yet.

    Lot’s of talent comes from later rounds.

    Not every ballplayer who makes it to the big dance starts off as a glamor boy.

    Chill out until all the results are in.

  201. Betsy - Hughes rules (pleading the Fifth) June 7th, 2010 at 10:54 pm

    Rich, I’m actually surprised you feel this way. I thought you, of all people, would be upset. You were upset that we didn’t sign any IFA’s this year (esp. Chapman) and that we didn’t restock the farm system with real talent.

  202. Wave Your Hat June 7th, 2010 at 10:54 pm

    Boston has had three picks to our one.

    Tampa picked right before us and they took a catcher some had projected in the top 10. Had they not taken him maybe the Yanks would have added the guy to our catching stable, who knows?

    I know a lot of us are disappointed with this pick but we don’t know anything about the guy. Unlike basketball and football, in baseball you have to draft guys who aren’t finished products. The Yanks have spent a lot of time on this and we just have to trust, or if not trust then at least hope, that they guess right.

  203. whatever June 7th, 2010 at 10:54 pm

    VIDEO IF CULVER HERE

    http://www.democratandchronicl.....0105070318

  204. it's true June 7th, 2010 at 10:55 pm

    from ESPN:

    No. 32: Cito Culver to the New York Yankees

    Churchill: The Yankees may have reached here with Culver, who seems to be a second-day talent, and may not even be a SS in the end. Clearly, the Yankees just don’t have the money to spend.

  205. Carl (Trade August Romain) June 7th, 2010 at 10:55 pm

    # Rich in NJ June 7th, 2010 at 10:48 pm

    “IN the meantime, the Sox, Rays and Jays all had terrific drafts.”

    Betsy

    And you know that because?

    lol

  206. pat June 7th, 2010 at 10:55 pm

    YankeesWFAN Culver not high in mock drafts, but lots of NYY personnel saw him, like what they saw. Geography hurt his nat’l exposure, but good tools.

    BryanHoch News report on #Yankees 1st rounder Chris Culver’s story: http://bit.ly/cV1qOp (video)

  207. Bret the Hitman June 7th, 2010 at 10:56 pm

    The fact that the Yankees have veered so far off the Baseball America radar screen is both terrifying and tantalizing. Either they’re really, terribly, horribly wrong and this kid was overlooked for good reason

    OR

    The Yankees were eyeing him the whole entire time and were so afraid to miss out on him to another team operating in the same stealth mode as the Yankees, that they grabbed him immediately. They were unwilling to lose him period even if there was the slightest of chances that another team was secretly targeting him.

    They must like him BIG TIME

    Perhaps they are geniuses and just found a gem of a shortstop to follow Derek Jeter.

    The wannabe scouts and armchair GM’s can go root for team Baseball America, I will root for the New York Yankees.

  208. Betsy - Hughes rules (pleading the Fifth) June 7th, 2010 at 10:56 pm

    Tamap, I will beg to differ with you. I just can’t blame the organization for Joba – that’s on Joba. Could they have handled him better last year? Maybe, but Wang’s injury really threw them for a loop and they had to adjust on the fly. In any case, I don’t think he’s ruined, but he is what he is.

  209. jennifer June 7th, 2010 at 10:57 pm

    Why don’t you cry babies go root for the Nats afterall they’ve drafted two studs the last two years. Jesus this place has turned into such a sewer with all the whining. you wonder why people are driven away from posting?

  210. raymagnetic June 7th, 2010 at 10:57 pm

    “Rich in NJ says:
    June 7, 2010 at 10:44 pm
    It’s ridiculous to think the Yankees drafted him not to sign him.”

    Welcome to the Lohud Yankees blog where ridiculous is the norm. ;)

  211. stuckey June 7th, 2010 at 10:57 pm

    “And about my comment about Joba, to be fair I think the organization really messed him up w/ the Joba rules and the flip flopping between the rotation and bullpen…..I think he could/can succeed w/ some consistency w/ his role, the last few years the organization really messed him up in my opinion.”

    I understand when expectations aren’t met, there is a very real human desire to want to assign blame, to identify who is responsible for things not turning out as you hoped.

    That said, much more often than not, the blame belongs to the person not meeting expectations themselves.

    Now first of all, I don’t believe for a second the story of Joba Chamberlain’s career is even close to being written yet.

    RAB had a nice piece the other day highlighting that his performance hasn’t actually been that awful, and he’s touching velocity’s some thought were no longer reachable for him, and there is probably some more to be gained.

    But WHATEVER his career happens to be, good or bad, the smart money on the lion’s share of the responsibility laying with Chamberlain himself.

  212. Betsy - Hughes rules (pleading the Fifth) June 7th, 2010 at 10:57 pm

    Who was saying Joba was not a successful pick?

  213. CB June 7th, 2010 at 10:58 pm

    “just based on talent……….Obviously we can’t forecast the future, but we can evaluate based on talent and this kid hardly seems like he’s overly talented. As I said, I hate drafting athletes instead of baseball players.”

    In 2005 the Angels were deciding to pick between two pitchers in round one.

    And their talent evaluation agreed with what the majority view was.

    Jared Weaver was more talented than Phil Hughes. So the Angels took Weaver and were lauded for how “great” their draft was because they got a top 3 pick near the middle of the first round.

    No one has any idea of what the “talent” of this player is.

    Jason Heyward was described as more an athlete than a baseball player when he was taken.

    This snap judgement culture is crazy. It’s as if Mel Kiper has taken over the population.

  214. Betsy - Hughes rules (pleading the Fifth) June 7th, 2010 at 10:58 pm

    Ouch, lol

  215. Jeremy June 7th, 2010 at 10:58 pm

    I’m just upset with Joba because he continues to waste his talent. The guy just doesn’t show alot of drive when it comes to perfecting his craft.

  216. Joba Tips his Cap June 7th, 2010 at 11:00 pm

    Culver, sounds like a center fielder with midrange arm to me.

  217. Rich in NJ June 7th, 2010 at 11:00 pm

    Betsy

    With Chapman the only issue was money, something they have a license to print.

    This pick is about talent evaluation. I’m not in a position to make an independent judgment about Culver’s talent, or the talent anyone drafted at or near where he was picked.

    They are two entirely different situations.

  218. rodg12 June 7th, 2010 at 11:00 pm

    tampayank -
    How about our All-star 2B, Robinson Cano. Who’s an early leader for AL MVP. Did you forget about him. Or our LF. Or our stud young SP, Hughes. Give me an effin break busting on the Yankees system. More homegrown players than almost everybody and coming off a freaking World Series title.

  219. Pat M. June 7th, 2010 at 11:02 pm

    CB explains it best…Never heard of him, surprised selection, therefore it’s a bad pick……I think the Henry pick a few years ago has Yankee fans uncomfortable about this……

  220. Rick DC June 7th, 2010 at 11:02 pm

    Heyward/Weaver still had massive upside.

    This kid had NONE. He is a utility player. He is short, and has no power. He also has work ethic concerns.

    It’s not like this guy is 6’4 with a developing bat. He is a slap hitter.

    Heyward was considered raw but very toolsy. This guy is a utility man.

  221. J. Henry Waugh - God Does Not Play Dice, But I Do June 7th, 2010 at 11:03 pm

    As I said, I hate drafting athletes instead of baseball players.
    ///

    The idea that they are mutually exclusive has gotten out of hand.

    As someone here has already noted, Heyward is “toolsy” and knows how to play the game the right way.

    In the end, these selections are just a roll of the dice. Take it from one who knows.

  222. tampayank June 7th, 2010 at 11:03 pm

    it’s a blog, ofcourse there is going to be negative comments and questioning the manager/gm/player on a daily basis….to get upset and complain about the blog itself won’t help. Perhaps Cashman should start a blog where everyone blindly supports everything the organization does w/ their Pinstripe shades*

  223. Jeremy June 7th, 2010 at 11:03 pm

    I never said Joba was a bad pick. But that he is not developing into the player many thought he could be.

  224. Betsy - Hughes rules (pleading the Fifth) June 7th, 2010 at 11:04 pm

    CB, I thought I read that Phil was obviously less of a known factor than Weaver because he was a HS pitcher whereas Weaver had a fantastic college career….I suppose Weaver was the safter choice?

    Either way, I can’t argue with your last point. I swear I’m done ranting – how many different ways can I say the same thing? I trust the organization so I have to trust them now. I hope we’ll be having the last laugh.

  225. Ball 4 June 7th, 2010 at 11:04 pm

    CJ Henry was a risk worth taking. A crazy athlete with 5-tool potential. He was oozzing with talent.

    This kid doesn’t have a high upside. He is being labeled as a slap hitter who can play a few positions. Basically, Ramiro Pena.

  226. CB June 7th, 2010 at 11:05 pm

    “Heyward/Weaver still had massive upside.”

    Neither was taken at 32.

    And there is no player on the board left on the board even remotely comparable to those two players.

  227. Chris June 7th, 2010 at 11:05 pm

    If you are going to take an athlete, at least take an athlete with a projectable frame and power potential.

    This guy sounds like a Pena/Golson clone.

  228. Betsy - Hughes rules (pleading the Fifth) June 7th, 2010 at 11:06 pm

    Rich, that’s fair.

    Pat M, I think that’s fair as well….and also Carmen Angellini, who hasn’t panned out. Also, I was following the draft on another board and everyone was very excited about the talent left on the boards; I can say that this pick was like the pricking of a balloon. Maybe tomorrow people will have calmed down, but fans were just deflated because the Yankees chose a complete unknown.

  229. tampayank June 7th, 2010 at 11:07 pm

    “# rodg12 June 7th, 2010 at 11:00 pm

    tampayank -
    How about our All-star 2B, Robinson Cano. Who’s an early leader for AL MVP. Did you forget about him. Or our LF. Or our stud young SP, Hughes. Give me an effin break busting on the Yankees system. More homegrown players than almost everybody and coming off a freaking World Series title.

    I mentioned Hughes and I’m not sold on Gardner as an everyday LF long term. Cano was an international signing, sorry I don’t count those…don’t go by the same rules. I actually think the international signing needs to be regulated by the MLB in some form. a post above explained about the Yankee farm or lack there of…..it has gotten a little better the last few years but 2000-2007 it was a complete disaster

  230. Betsy - Hughes rules (pleading the Fifth) June 7th, 2010 at 11:07 pm

    It’s fine to be an athlete, but you can either hit or you can’t………..

  231. Gargoyle June 7th, 2010 at 11:08 pm

    Be lucky that we play in a sport with no salary cap and the ability to fix problems via FA, so the drafts don’t really matter. Otherwise, we’d be screwed. How does a team with the resources of the Yankees take a slap-hitting utility man, who was ranked #168th, with the 32nd pick? When they were so much talent left on the board?

    Mind-boggling. Again though, thankfully we play in a sport where the draft isin’t as important and we can be good anyway.

  232. pat June 7th, 2010 at 11:09 pm

    “Last summer, Culver played on the Yankees’ Area Code team, working out at Yankee Stadium and participating in a tournament in California”

    You may not know who he is but it sounds like the Yankees do.

  233. rodg12 June 7th, 2010 at 11:10 pm

    Twins were on Culver as well. We were probably scared of them taking him in the second…

    “Culver and Mabb have had contact with scouts from at least 12 major league teams, including the New York Yankees, the infielder’s favorite.

    Former Minnesota Twins general manager Terry Ryan, now a senior adviser to the ballclub’s current general manager, and the team’s area scout, watched Culver play in two games last week.”

  234. Betsy - Hughes rules (pleading the Fifth) June 7th, 2010 at 11:10 pm

    “All I know is that he’s raw and toolsy, he’ll require some phone calls.” That’s Kevin Goldstein at Baseball Prospectus.

  235. RS June 7th, 2010 at 11:10 pm

    I still say the Yankees drafted by need more than anything else. Really, when you look at the team, the only black hole for the future is shortstop and closer. You don’t draft closers in the first round, so they went for a shortstop.

  236. P- June 7th, 2010 at 11:10 pm

    Can i borrow someones crystal ball, i need to pick a few sure things too… u just never know.. its like 1 in 20 that a first rounder turns into a mlb hero. ALso u have players like Cano who didnt even project stardom potential and his minor league numbers wer subpar at best. We even wanted to trade him as a throw in for randy johnson… and no he is one of thr best 2B in baseball.

    typed all this on my mobile, sorry for typos..

  237. stuckey June 7th, 2010 at 11:11 pm

    Here’s a helpful tool. ALL the posters with unfamiliar ID’s who are ALL repeating the phrases “slap-hitting”, “utility man” and “Ramiro Pena”, they’re all one of a small handful of the same people.

  238. vblade June 7th, 2010 at 11:11 pm

    Obviously the Yankees know this guy well and believe in him. We’ll just have to see what happens.

  239. CB June 7th, 2010 at 11:11 pm

    “I thought I read that Phil was obviously less of a known factor than Weaver because he was a HS pitcher whereas Weaver had a fantastic college career….I suppose Weaver was the safter choice?”

    No this is completely incorrect. Jered Weaver was considered by many to be the top overall pitcher available in that draft. He was in the conversation to go #1 overall. He had a brilliant season in college and was a huge story that entire year.

    Weaver largely fell because he was represented by Boras.

    Phil Hughes – the way he was described in baseball america – was nothing particularly special at all. The way Hughes was considered in that draft – there are always a bunch of those types of arms taken every single year. Every year. He was described as a nice prospect but nothing particularly special and that’s because he didn’t throw 95+. He was fine.

    There was no comparison between him and Weaver. None.

    But that’s not the way the yankees saw it.

    Based on your reaction tonight – you would have hated the Hughes pick in 2005.

  240. Mantle June 7th, 2010 at 11:12 pm

    That guy, Progo or whatever who Colorado took in the supp. round was being compared to Doc Gooden by Harold Reynolds.

    The kid Tyrell Jenkins who STL took looked like a stud. Easy velocity with a deceptive arm angle. Hart and Gammons raved about him.

    Yet we take a weak-hitting SS. All stick, no bat.

    Even the Sox got very very good value and talent in the supp. round. All in all, a very discouraging night.

  241. Jeremy June 7th, 2010 at 11:12 pm

    Typical Lohud poster:

    God Cashman sucks ! That’s why I call him Trashman. Theo Espetin and the Red Sox made us look bad tonight with all these great picks.

  242. MTU (aka GBURL) June 7th, 2010 at 11:13 pm

    See you all in the AM when calm has returned. :)

  243. Betsy - Hughes rules (pleading the Fifth) June 7th, 2010 at 11:13 pm

    Frankie Piliere posts on Pinstripes Plus sometimes and he just said he spoke with Oppenheimer who went into great detail about the pick. He also said MLB’s comment about a poor work ethic was BS…..

  244. Pat M. June 7th, 2010 at 11:14 pm

    Betsy, only time will tell….However as somebody pointed out Maryland’s new Baseball coach gave him a full ride, so he’s smart and must be able to play…..As for The Angels and the Weaver / Hughes pick….Angels wanted a ready now type arm because Colon was aging fast, and there was some concern if Hughes was signable….I think he was committed to Santa Clara or Fresno State….

  245. Soul June 7th, 2010 at 11:15 pm

    This kid sounds better than Ramiro Pena… maybe Felipe Lopez or David Eckstein.

    Either way, it was an awful pick for that spot. 3rd-4th round maybe, not in the 1st round. Major reach.

  246. stuckey June 7th, 2010 at 11:15 pm

    “It’s fine to be an athlete, but you can either hit or you can’t”

    I think it’s important to always keep in mind how young 17 years old is.

    I understand with the international market being what it is we all now hear about this stud 16 and 17 year old pitchers, but what this kid grows into is a complete X-factor.

    Placing a ceiling on a 17 year old is just not wise.

  247. THE TRUTH June 7th, 2010 at 11:16 pm

    “the third-best prospect out of the state of New York” haha that statement is funny

  248. CB June 7th, 2010 at 11:16 pm

    “I think the Henry pick a few years ago has Yankee fans uncomfortable about this……”

    Here’s the thing that really gets me about the outcry over CJ Henry.

    In that draft the yankees selected two very raw, toolsy, athletic players who had division one scholarships in basketball.

    Yankee fans love to pontificate on the one who didn’t pan out – Henry.

    But at the same time they conveniently forget that the same draft philosophy that led the yankees to take CJ Henry in round led them to take Austin Jackson in round 8.

    There’s no way to untie Henry from Jackson. The same draft philosophy based led the yanks to take both.

    And if you hit on one of those two picks that’s fantastic success for a baseball draft.

  249. Rich in NJ June 7th, 2010 at 11:18 pm

    “Then the report is he has attitude issues”

    I heard that on MLB TV, and then I read this:

    http://www.democratandchronicl…..0105070318

    Given what the kid has gone through with his dad, only a moron (and I don’t mean the poster) would advance the meme that he has attitude issues.

  250. Erica in NY June 7th, 2010 at 11:18 pm

    Good night Yankee people

    (I am going to dream happy thoughts about Culver to make him a future superstar!)

  251. Bob NH June 7th, 2010 at 11:19 pm

    At least with high school pitchers, you take a chance on their upside that they can add a tick or two to their velocity or you can re-do their mechanics to add velocity or teach them a pitch, etc. There is much more projectability with pitchers than position players……

    You can’t tweak around with hitters as much. I suppose you could change their stance. But there is only so much power that a 5’11 guy has. He was described as an athlete anyway, not a hitter… even if he becomes one, we don’t need a light hitting SS…

  252. G-C June 7th, 2010 at 11:20 pm

    The fact that people are jumping to conclusions about Culver is just absurd.

    As pitiful as this organization’s drafts had been since 2004 they have produced some really legitimate talent. Recently however you have to be a little disappointed with things. The Cole/Bittle debacle was awful- there is no positive way you could spin that.

    But I’ll put my faith in Oppenheimer and hope that Culver turns out to be something. I haven’t seen him and they have.

  253. RalphieD (OPPC) June 7th, 2010 at 11:20 pm

    From RAB-

    “If there’s one thing we know about scouting director Damon Oppenehimer, it’s that he loves up-the-middle high school athletes, and that certainly describes Culver. Standing 6-foot-2 and checking in at 175 lbs, Culver has premium athletic ability that will allow him to stay at short long-term, and also opens up the possibility of centerfield. His foot speed is good, and his defensive abilities are all very good except for his arm, which is a true cannon.

    At the plate, the switch hitting Culver generates good bat speed with an easy swing, though his power is mostly into the gaps and he’s a little bit better from the left side. There’s lots of room for growth, so he has a chance to develop into a top of the line defender at a premium position with an average or better bat down the road. There are some reports of a troubled home life regarding his parents, but not Cito himself. He’s committed to Maryland, but is considered signable if taken high enough, which he certainly was”

  254. raymagnetic June 7th, 2010 at 11:20 pm

    “fans were just deflated because the Yankees chose a complete unknown.”

    99% of the players drafted are complete unknowns. This isn’t the NBA or NFL where you see these guys play regularly before they get drafted.

  255. Betsy - Hughes rules (pleading the Fifth) June 7th, 2010 at 11:21 pm

    CB, that’s so odd because I’ve scouting reports on Phil in HS and they don’t jibe with BA……….I thought in HS Phil did throw hard.

    There’s an article from a month or so ago where the scout that scouted Phil is quoted extensively; I’m going to try and find it.

  256. The phranchise June 7th, 2010 at 11:21 pm

    2 points

    1st the Yankees have so much money to spend each draft. If they didn’t feel any player left was worth the money here they will spend it in other rounds above the slot where they think there is value. So why blow the pot on one player in the first you don’t believe in? You need to look at the draft as a whole

    2nd not defending him as the right pick at all, know nothing about him. Yankees had him on this prep team, means they have some insight. My only issue sounds like less of a prospect than cu Henry was. And his father is in jail for burning down the family home on Easter. Not sure the best environment to be working from. A far cry from jeter’s family and support.

  257. Sey June 7th, 2010 at 11:21 pm

    lol I bet this kid was out tonight and was absolutely stunned, just shocked that he was picked in the 1st round. His people probably told him sometime in the 4th round, mid-day tomorrow.

    How do you take a guy ranked 160 something by Baseball America with pick number 32…. brutal…

  258. Erica in NY June 7th, 2010 at 11:22 pm

    Btw- if anyone bothers to scroll up, Chad has updated with the Oppenheimer press release

    (Okay, good night Yankee people for real!)

  259. CB June 7th, 2010 at 11:23 pm

    Pat M-

    In the baseball america world, Weaver was considered to be a much better prospect than Hughes.

    Your speaking about the situation in a much more valid way – what your own talent evaluation was and what you know of the Angels decision making.

    I’m not referring to that. I’m only referring to perception because the reactions yankee fans have to this pick are completely colored by the dominant draft outlets. Almost no one on this board has seen this player even once, never mind seen him as much as you saw Hughes and Weaver.

    Back in 2005, if the yanks had picked hughes over weaver yankee fans would have been in a tizzy because baseball america had weaver as the much better prospect, one that was in their mind in the discussion to go #1. You know how great weaver was his final year in college. Yankee fans would have gone ballistic over the suggestion that Hughes was better than Weaver.

    And what many would have concluded was that the yankees were simply being “cheap.”

  260. Yanksgal03 June 7th, 2010 at 11:23 pm

    CB you are one of the very few who actually makes sense on this blog. I always enjoy your comments as they are intelligent, level headed, well written and never derogatory. I can say the same thing of Doreen. A few others also but unfortunately…VERY FEW !!!

    Thanks CB ….your insight is always appreciated.

    Go Yankees 2010 !!!

  261. Betsy - Hughes rules (pleading the Fifth) June 7th, 2010 at 11:24 pm

    Here’s the article:

    http://www.allbusiness.com/spo.....296-1.html

    “We got up and left early, hoping [other scouts] would think that our interest was less,” Newman said with a laugh, though he wasn’t sure if it worked. “We tried it anyway.”

    At age 17, Hughes “didn’t’ have the big-time breaking ball,” Newman said. “What he did have was really good poise and a mound presence. He had a compact arm stroke, which helps project future control, and he threw quality strikes with his fastball.”
    *****

    I thought I read that he threw hard in HS, but he does appear to have been a late developer physically………….CB, is your point that the Yankees had to do a lot of projecting with Phil?

  262. E-City June 7th, 2010 at 11:24 pm

    Again… there is a reason why none of the publications had anything on this guy when we drafted him. MLB Net was silent. None of the ESPN guys knew anything. BA didn’t know anything. Golstein knew nothing.

    All these guys had to make calls and dig deep into their scouting reports to find any information on this guy because they didn’t expect him to even come close to being drafted today. Look at how quickly info on the other players was available. Watching the end of the supplemental round, MLB Net had their profiles up as soon as the player was announced.

    Not all these publications can be wrong. He may eventually EVOLVE into something that no one else saw (but really, how often does that happen?), but for the moment, it is safe to say it was a very big reach and not a smart pick. Let’s hope that everyone else was wrong and Cash was right….

  263. RalphieD (OPPC) June 7th, 2010 at 11:25 pm

    the fact that oppenheimer says this was “an easy decision” makes me feel like they really really like this kid…good for them to go against the grain, BA, BP and ESPN must be furious

  264. RS June 7th, 2010 at 11:26 pm

    Culver’s father is in jail, but he has a ton of support from his mother.

  265. Rich in NJ June 7th, 2010 at 11:26 pm

    “Again… there is a reason why none of the publications had anything on this guy when we drafted him. ”

    Sure there is. They don’t have the resources to adequately scout sleepers.

  266. Betsy - Hughes rules (pleading the Fifth) June 7th, 2010 at 11:27 pm

    Pat M, I’ve read a lot about Phil, so I have this info at the tips of my fingers, lol. Phil was going to go to Santa Clara, but basically it was decided that if he was drafted in the 1st round and received “life changing” $$, he’d sign. If not, it was off to school.

    Here’s another article:

    http://www.recordonline.com/ap...../703250349

  267. JRod June 7th, 2010 at 11:27 pm

    Culver getting drafted in the 1st round, Ryan Callahan on the U.S. Olympic team, RIT in the Frozen Four…….Good year for Rochester sports

  268. Betsy - Hughes rules (pleading the Fifth) June 7th, 2010 at 11:27 pm

    So Phil did throw hard………..

  269. it's true June 7th, 2010 at 11:27 pm

    BA, BP and ESPN must be furious

    ———————

    I don’t know if ‘furious’ is the word I would have chosen.

    Bemused, maybe.

  270. THE TRUTH June 7th, 2010 at 11:28 pm

    I remember reading that Phil threw hard in high school as well.

  271. Bass June 7th, 2010 at 11:28 pm

    Pitchers are a completely different animal than hitters— you can teach them how to throw breaking pitches, how to change arm angles, etc.

    If we had taken a Jeremy Bleich type, I would have been OK because I trust the Yanks would have seen something and maybe found a way to get his velocity up or something.

    This pick seems to have 0 upside. First off, he is an athlete. Secondly, he is being labled as a slap-hitter. Not like this guy is some toolsy 6’4 athlete, he is a smallish athlete without any power….

  272. CB June 7th, 2010 at 11:28 pm

    ” that’s so odd because I’ve scouting reports on Phil in HS and they don’t jibe with BA……….I thought in HS Phil did throw hard.

    There’s an article from a month or so ago where the scout that scouted Phil is quoted extensively; I’m going to try and find it.”

    Betsy-

    Sure 5 years later everyone is a genius and can see Hughes is much better than Weaver. And remember at the time of any draft we as fans don’t have access to what the professional scouting says.

    We largely only have access to what the baseball america, prospectus and ESPN view is.

    So forget what you’re hearing about what scouts thought of hughes now.

    At that time Hughes was a nice prospect per BA – a solid late first round high school arm but nothing all that special.

    Karsten Whitson may have a better BA write up this year than Hughes did 5 years ago.

    But if you’d asked Pat M who was better Hughes or Weaver he would have told you Hughes and prefaced that by saying Weaver was more advanced and likely to get to the bigs much sooner.

    What matters is what the baseball professionals who actually see these players perform think.

  273. Betsy - Hughes rules (pleading the Fifth) June 7th, 2010 at 11:29 pm

    Ray, that’s true. Gee, when I think about it, I’ve gone bat crazy about a kid that I haven’t seen because we didn’t draft a bunch of other kids I’ve never seen. I feel bad about that and I really will try to keep an open mind about the kid.

    CB, that’s a great point about AJax.

  274. Bret the Hitman June 7th, 2010 at 11:30 pm

    rodg12 June 7th, 2010 at 11:10 pm
    Twins were on Culver as well. We were probably scared of them taking him in the second…

    “Culver and Mabb have had contact with scouts from at least 12 major league teams, including the New York Yankees, the infielder’s favorite.

    Former Minnesota Twins general manager Terry Ryan, now a senior adviser to the ballclub’s current general manager, and the team’s area scout, watched Culver play in two games last week.”

    **************************

    That’s what I’m talking about. The Yankees were eying him the whole time and didn’t want to take a chance, even if the risk was miniscule, that they’d lose him to another team operating in stealth mode.

    The Twins no how to draft. They build a playoff contender every year based on homegrown draft picks. They can’t afford free agents. They never sign free agents.

    And there they were, lurking, sending TERRY RYAN himself, a dude WAY HIGH UP on the Twins food chain to watch this supposed nobody utility player Ramiro Pena clone.

    Yeah ok armchair scouts.

    It’s hard on you when you realize that maybe you don’t know EVERYTHING about baseball and that maybe despite all the money you spend on baseball periodicals and media, you still don’t know how the Yankees strategize or evaluate talent.

    YOU’RE FIRED.

    :lol:

  275. igotid88 June 7th, 2010 at 11:31 pm

    Let’s Go Yankees!!!!

  276. Tom June 7th, 2010 at 11:31 pm

    I’d say this kid has more upside than Pena… maybe a Greg Golson type. And if his hitting tools develop, maybe Kevin Russo-ish with a little more speed.

  277. RalphieD (OPPC) June 7th, 2010 at 11:33 pm

    “I’d say this kid has more upside than Pena… maybe a Greg Golson type. And if his hitting tools develop, maybe Kevin Russo-ish with a little more speed.”

    this may turn out to be true but there is absolutely no way the yankees feel he is that kind of player, its obvious they are very high on him because they would not draft kevin russo with more speed in the first round.

  278. stuckey June 7th, 2010 at 11:33 pm

    Understanding the contemporary economics of publishing is to understand that of the hundreds of players that will be drafted this year, very, very few of them have been scouted by these publications directly, if at all.

    There is just not financial upside to sending writers and/or scouts on planes, trains and buses to small colleges and high schools to get first hand reports, much less conducted over any length of time.

    Buying into consumer scouting reports as some sort of comprehensive guide is the first and biggest mistake being made here.

  279. Yoda June 7th, 2010 at 11:33 pm

    The thing is…. were they significantly better talent on the board at the time we picked Hughes, like there apparently was tonight?

  280. I'm Outraged!!! June 7th, 2010 at 11:35 pm

    The Yanks drafted some guy I never heard of before today!!!

    Why couldn’t they have chosen that other guy I had never heard of before today?!?!

    rabble

    rabble

  281. Joe June 7th, 2010 at 11:35 pm

    Would have much rather taken another arm.

    Pitching is a hot commodity. You can always trade a good pitching prospect. No one is trading anything of value for a utility guy who is a singles hitter.

  282. Betsy - Hughes rules (pleading the Fifth) June 7th, 2010 at 11:35 pm

    CB, doesn’t that beg the question: what are scouting “experts” like BP, BA, etc… looking for in prospects? Do teams look for different qualities? I can’t imagine that BP, etc. have enough scouts to see all these players numerous times on a regular basis, so I guess I do have to wonder how they can evaluate them seriously?

    Pat always said Phil would be special, but then he’s seen him since he was a kid. The Yankees obviously felt the same way……oh, and knowing me, I probably would have been PO’d at the pick, lol. I would have calmed down, but I usually leap before I look, lol. I would have read all about Weaver on BA, etc…and then I would have been shocked that the Yankees took a raw HS kid instead of some great college pitcher.

  283. G-C June 7th, 2010 at 11:36 pm

    “I?d say this kid has more upside than Pena? maybe a Greg Golson type. And if his hitting tools develop, maybe Kevin Russo-ish with a little more speed.”

    And you know this how? From scouting him extensively?

  284. CB June 7th, 2010 at 11:36 pm

    “Not all these publications can be wrong. ”

    Sure they can. They are wrong all the time – in fact they are wrong far more often then they are every right.

    Go back to last year and see what they had to say about Mike Trout. I can guarantee you that what they wrote and what the Angels scouting reports on Trout were were not particularly similar.

    Go back and look at how they killed so many of the twins pick. Ben Revere is a good example.

    Go back and look at how they killed Tony Sanchez last year (SJ’s nephew). They killed that pick.

    You can name dozens of guys all the major outlets are wrong on.

  285. LGY June 7th, 2010 at 11:38 pm

    The groupthink mentality that has developed around the MLB draft as it has gotten progressively more popular really is amazing.

    First, Baseball America and Keith Law roughly put out the same info. Some of the details are different, but overall there is not much variation in terms of the general position a draftee will land.

    They then use this info they put out to criticize and grade picks that do not align with it.

    Then, the Jon Heyman’s of the world again use this same info to criticize and commend picks/teams and pass it off as some sort of original thought.

    It finally trickles down to blog and message board posters who also take the same original information and pass it off as some unique thought.

    The same thing just keeps getting recycled and recycled over and over again.

    The most amazing part about it is that given the nature of the MLB draft, even the guys at the top are fairly uniformed outside of a handful of prospects.

    The sheer hours and manpower it takes to get a real read on a young baseball player does not compare to any other sport.

  286. DMan June 7th, 2010 at 11:39 pm

    Harold Reynolds compared Peter Tago (California high school pitcher who went to Colorado in the 2nd round) to Dwight Gooden

    And we missed out on that for at best, a David Eckstein-clone but more likely Miguel Cairo.

    I wish there was a “shake head” smiley because that is the height of absurdity.

  287. CR9 June 7th, 2010 at 11:40 pm

    Betsy

    I wanted to post this, mainly because I wanted my well-reasoned opinions on Lupica to be viewed.

    “In this opinion piece, Mike Lupica decries the attitude in sports that producing effective results and gaining personal and team achievements can reduce the stigma and importance of being caught cheating by using performance-enhancing drugs. Focusing his sarcasm towards New York Yankees’ third basemen Alex Rodriguez, Lupica insinuates that Rodriguez has regained his once tarnished reputation as one of the historically great players simply by playing well while helping the Yankees win a World Series.
    Lupica continues to assert that Rodriguez has left many questions regarding his PED use unanswered, including his association with a doctor recently arrested in conjunction with the smuggling and distribution of human growth hormone. Lupica also implies that Rodriguez’s history as an admitted PED user should engender distrust from the media concerning any current or future implications in possible drug use, and that Rodriguez should address these implications openly and honestly. However, Lupica views Rodriguez as having successfully avoided being forced to confront these current PED use issues because of his success on the baseball field. Finally, Lupica bemoans that as Rodriguez’s statistics approach certain milestones that are held sacred throughout baseball, Rodriguez is conscientiously hoping that he can elude answering any tough questions by continuing to produce results that will manipulate the fans and media into ignoring his checkered past.
    Lupica’s malicious and spiteful attack on Alex Rodriguez is filled with half-truths, spontaneous assumptions and hate-filled vitriol that attempt to distort the facts of an ongoing investigation into a referendum on Alex Rodriguez’s baseball career.
    First, Lupica intentionally confuses being treated by a doctor charged with distributing performancing-enhancing drugs with being administered the drugs by the accused doctor. This attempt to blur the facts with baseless assumptions is only a preface to Lupica’s determination to prevent the fans and media from judging Alex Rodriguez fairly. While Lupica has a point about Rodriguez’s false denials of past drug use, Lupica fails to mention that, while Rodriguez cannot necessarily be trusted, his lack of any positive drug tests in the past seven years combined with the current punishment policy that was not in place when Rodriguez did test positive, provide compelling evidence that derails Lupica’s conclusion.
    Lupica then shamefully attempts to play on the emotions of the readers by equating Rodriguez’s statistical progress towards 600 home runs with that of two other players who reached those same statistical milestones while directly under the influence of performance-enhancing drugs. By comparing Rodriguez with Sosa and Bonds, Lupica is attempting to create an association where none exists, because Rodriguez plays in a drug testing climate that neither Bonds nor Sosa ever experienced.
    Finally, Lupica insists on referencing Rodriguez’s refusal to answer questions to the media regarding his link to the doctor charged in the performance-enhancing drug case. While Lupica mentions that Rodriguez may have answered the questions to the satisfaction of the government and Major League Baseball, Lupica fails to reveal that Rodriguez may not be allowed to answer certain questions because of the ongoing government investigation. Instead, Lupica characterizes Rodriguez’s evasiveness with the media as an attempt to benefit from his performance during the Yankees route to winning the World Series last year, suggesting that Rodriguez believes his actions on the field should disqualify him from having to respond to questions that he would rather not answer.
    Mike Lupica’s article shows him to be a bitter disaffected sportswriter from a bygone age in which heroes were perfect and baseball was as American as apple pie. Lupica’s disdain for Rodriguez is apparent, and this dislike leads to his character condemnation disguised as opinion to be revealed as nothing more than an obvious attempt to convert those who don’t share his biased attitude by any means necessary.”

  288. vblade June 7th, 2010 at 11:40 pm

    I bet all these one-named posters bashing the pick are one and the same person.

  289. stuckey June 7th, 2010 at 11:40 pm

    “I can’t imagine that BP, etc. have enough scouts to see all these players numerous times on a regular basis,”

    That’s exactly right.

    “so I guess I do have to wonder how they can evaluate them seriously?”

    Who says they do?

    Their scouting reports are a consumer product. They are manufactured for the consumption by fans, and so long as a market exists for something, the market will be filled.

    The question is, is quality control even an issue in these cases?

    The question no on is asking is this – what are the track records of these publication’s pre-draft scouting reports?

    Because granting them credibility without having an answer to that question is really where this all falls apart in the end.

  290. stuckey June 7th, 2010 at 11:41 pm

    “I bet all these one-named posters bashing the pick are one and the same person.”

    There you go…

  291. pat June 7th, 2010 at 11:42 pm

    YankeesWFAN Ok folks, you can all go back to hating Chad Gaudin now. There will be plenty of time to hate Cito Culver in 4 or 5 years.

    :smile:

  292. Betsy - Hughes rules (pleading the Fifth) June 7th, 2010 at 11:42 pm

    Oh please, a comparison to Dwight Gooden? I think Reynolds must be overtired or something………that’s crazy.

    LGY, so true, lol.

  293. Dylan June 7th, 2010 at 11:42 pm

    Congrats to Culver! Its good to have a guy with NY roots in the system. To everyone that is saying that all he can be is a utility guy- please stop! He is 17 years old. He still has a lot of maturing to do physically. We have no idea what kind of hitter he will turn into. He has a very strong arm though, and has good speed which are things that cannot be taught. Hopefully we will see him in pinstripes in 4 or 5 years.

  294. CB June 7th, 2010 at 11:42 pm

    “Twins were on Culver as well. We were probably scared of them taking him in the second…

    “Culver and Mabb have had contact with scouts from at least 12 major league teams, including the New York Yankees, the infielder’s favorite.

    Former Minnesota Twins general manager Terry Ryan, now a senior adviser to the ballclub’s current general manager, and the team’s area scout, watched Culver play in two games last week.””

    Exactly. It doesn’t surprise me to hear this at all. And it’s not an accident that the twins also liked this player. BA, BP, ESPN often have huge disagreements with how they evaluate players in the draft and who the twins evaluate them. Ben Revere and Carlos Guittierez are two recent examples.

    It very well may be the case that if the yanks had a supplemental pick they wouldn’t have taken him 32.

    It doesn’t surprise me at all to see stories about how other teams were on this player.

  295. Carl C. June 7th, 2010 at 11:43 pm

    Again, it’s not that we took the kid. It’s that we took a guy ranked 168 in the 32nd pick. If we had taken him in the 3rd, no one would care.

    We passed on several high-ceiling talent like that Boras client, the Dana, CA pitcher, the Texas pitcher, AJ Cole, etc. for a guy who doesn’t sound like he is much of a hitter.

    It was an awful value pick. At least in Hughes’ case, it wasn’t that much of a disparity between where he was ranked and where he was taken. Was Hughes ranked in the 160s?

  296. Joe June 7th, 2010 at 11:45 pm

    I’d feel better if it came from a baseball hot bed like USC, Texas, Arizona, Miami, etc.

  297. Betsy - Hughes rules (pleading the Fifth) June 7th, 2010 at 11:47 pm

    Stuckey, so do they check these kids out once or twice and decide right then and there that that is what the kid is all about? LGY is right -baseball doesn’t lend itself to quick judgments.

    I still don’t know how good Culver is or if this is going to turn out to be a good pick, but obviously the Yankees did their due diligence and they liked him a LOT. Since I trust the Yankees, what else is there to do but give it time and hope they are right?

  298. CR9 June 7th, 2010 at 11:47 pm

    http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/.....ement.html

    Red Sox near agreement with 2 picks already.

  299. CB June 7th, 2010 at 11:47 pm

    “Baseball America and Keith Law roughly put out the same info. Some of the details are different, but overall there is not much variation in terms of the general position a draftee will land.”

    And much of that has to do with that fact that they talk to the same people about the players.

    That’s part of why there’s a “consensus” that develops.

    Law goes out and tries to scout players in person but he literally is one guy. There are only so many players he can see. Same for Callis or Goldstein.

    They really on what they are told by people inside of baseball so the information they get is highly correlated.

  300. stuckey June 7th, 2010 at 11:48 pm

    “Again, it’s not that we took the kid. It’s that we took a guy ranked 168 in the 32nd pick. If we had taken him in the 3rd, no one would care.”

    Again, it is you who doesn’t understand that you’re assigning value to someone else placing the “168″ designation on him. You accept it as valid and accurate with absolutely ZERO 1st-and knowledge of how and why it was assigned to him.

    Someone else … someone else trying to SELL YOU something … is saying “jump”, and you’re not only asking how high, but how much?

  301. RS June 7th, 2010 at 11:49 pm

    “I’d feel better if it came from a baseball hot bed like USC, Texas, Arizona, Miami, etc.”

    But who knows…maybe if he went to one of those schools he would be ranked mugh higher than 168.

    It could very well be that BA and BP disregard many players from places like Rochester, NY because it’s not a baseball hot bed, but that doesn’t necessarily mean the player’s skills are any worse.

  302. Jerkface June 7th, 2010 at 11:51 pm

    Ben Revere is a good example.

    Eh, currently hitting: .300 .380 .362 .742 - He is less powerful than Brett Gardner, imagine it!

  303. Betsy - Hughes rules (pleading the Fifth) June 7th, 2010 at 11:51 pm

    I will just say that Patrick from PP spoke to a trusted NL scout who said some fine things about Culver, specifically that he should stick in the middle INF and that players that stick there usually figure it out offensively because they play every day. This scout also said that Culver doesn’t have outstanding tools, but solid to above average ones and his makeup is basically off-the-charts; that he would have gone much higher had he been coming out of college instead of HS.

  304. CB June 7th, 2010 at 11:52 pm

    “It was an awful value pick. At least in Hughes’ case, it wasn’t that much of a disparity between where he was ranked and where he was taken. Was Hughes ranked in the 160s?”

    Now you’re just in ridiculous Mel Kiper land of “value picks.”

    Value based on who? You make it sound as if baseball america is the unencumbered, bible truth.

    This isn’t football. There is no combine. There is no “board.” There isn’t even the capacity to trade draft picks so you can’t “trade down” to pick up “value.”

    Every team has their own board and evaluation system.

    Do you really think the yankees – a billion+ dollar business – should be making their determinations of value in the same fashion as baseball america, an very small business that has no scouts at all?

    That would be stupid.

  305. Dylan June 7th, 2010 at 11:52 pm

    # Betsy – Hughes rules (pleading the Fifth) June 7th, 2010 at 11:47 pm

    Stuckey, so do they check these kids out once or twice and decide right then and there that that is what the kid is all about? LGY is right -baseball doesn’t lend itself to quick judgments.

    I still don’t know how good Culver is or if this is going to turn out to be a good pick, but obviously the Yankees did their due diligence and they liked him a LOT. Since I trust the Yankees, what else is there to do but give it time and hope they are right?
    _________________________________________________________________________

    Yup. Its stupid for us to judge the pick since none of us have seen him play. We are all basing our opinions off of one or two scouting reports. The Yankees have an entire team of scouts that are paid to evaluate these players. I don’t think the Yankees would have taken him if they thought that his ceiling was a utility infielder. There is also no guarantee that he would have lasted until the end of the 3rd round. Not all teams base their opinions off of Baseball America lol.

  306. World Industries June 7th, 2010 at 11:53 pm

    Sox had a beastly draft. Their 1st round pick was kind of meh, but they killed it in the supplemental round. Two high ceiling guys who we should have taken at 32. Runado (sp) is an excellent pitching talent – love him, wish we took him.

    Tampa has 2 more picks before we pick again, Boston has 1, Toronto has like 3 or 4.

    Maybe we can take a backup catcher with our 2nd rounder.

  307. Tyler June 7th, 2010 at 11:53 pm

    I love the people blasting this pick!!! Most of these guys are at least 3-4 years away from even being on the big league radar. He sounds like a solid athlete with some real upside.

    Most of these guys who everybody is so infatuated with aren’t going to turn out to be anything. And people are whining about who the Yanks picked. Oh no, baseball america says he’s a 4th or 6th rounder! The Yanks are so stupid! Ask SJ, their was an outcry when his nephew was picked 4th last year and now he’s putting up great numbers in a tough hitting FSL. Some people can just never be pleased. Go back to worrying about Tex lol.

  308. CB June 7th, 2010 at 11:53 pm

    “Eh, currently hitting: .300 .380 .362 .742 – He is less powerful than Brett Gardner, imagine it!”

    You really aren’t remembering how badly that pick was killed.

  309. CR9 June 7th, 2010 at 11:55 pm

    Tyler

    LOL! As long as he’s not a Bostonian, I’ll be happy with the pick. Thanks God we didnt get some scumbag named Vitek! Already can tell he’s a dirtbag.

  310. Z-Ro June 7th, 2010 at 11:56 pm

    “This scout also said that Culver doesn’t have outstanding tools, but solid to above average ones and his makeup is basically off-the-charts;”

    Sigh

    Could have had this guy much later in the draft. So much for drafting upside. Solid tools at 32! Woohoo!!!!!

  311. Ken June 7th, 2010 at 11:57 pm

    Vitek wasn’t that great a pick. Boston more than made up for it though in the 2nd round. Got 2 high ceiling guys.

  312. CB June 7th, 2010 at 11:57 pm

    “I’d feel better if it came from a baseball hot bed like USC, Texas, Arizona, Miami, etc.”

    No. Actually that should make you feel worse. The yankees picked this kid because they know something about him that others don’t.

    That’s just far less likely to be the case if he was from a well scouted area.

    The flip side is that they likely have a comparatively small sample of games to judge him by. But with the 32 pick, there’s always risk.

    It actually makes me feel much better that he’s from an off the map baseball area.

    Part of why the Angels were able to draft Mike Trout last year was due to the fact that he was from New Jersey.

  313. Tyler June 7th, 2010 at 11:57 pm

    CR9-

    Lol. Hey if the guy can play I don’t care where he’s from. Hughes is from Cali but was a huge Red Sox fan. I’d still take him lol.

  314. Tyler June 7th, 2010 at 11:59 pm

    CB-

    I was hoping for trout last year to fall to the Yanks. Jersey kid. Thought it would be perfect and he seems to really be raking. I like Heathcott though. Kid already has shown a flare for the dramatic haha.

  315. stuckey June 7th, 2010 at 11:59 pm

    “Stuckey, so do they check these kids out once or twice and decide right then and there that that is what the kid is all about?”

    Betsy, I think even that is being generous. I suspect perhaps the Top 50 prospects have been evaluated directly, and I suspect a LOT of scouting on college players is done on TV during the college world series.

    As CB says, there is a LOT of common information being shared, which over time more accurately evolves into common wisdom.

    I can also tell you this for a fact. Some publications buy “scouting reports” from local “writers” or “scouts” (to be generous with both terms) for very small dollar amounts. These are added to the “knowledge pool” and the people who have never seen most of these players in person, start ranking them based on the written report, which means there is no common control factor.

    Hundreds of dubious reports from widely varying sources and weighted against one another, which is a highly flawed methodology.

    The first couple of dozen players are probably scouted as well as a kid baseball prospect could be scouted. After that is gets REALLY shaky as to how much reliable, and fairly comparable info really exists.

  316. Stanley4 LA June 8th, 2010 at 12:00 am

    Eh

    Hopefully Eduardo Nunez continues to develop and we have no need for this mistake of a pick anyway.

    I really hope that we plan on replacing Jeter with someone who is more than a Eckstein-type.

  317. Jeremy June 8th, 2010 at 12:00 am

    Has anyone been following Stoneburner on the farm ?

  318. Flash June 8th, 2010 at 12:00 am

    This is the type of pick that if it was made by the Red Sox, Theo would be called a genius for thinking outside of the box and not going with the guys that everyone knows of.

  319. CR9 June 8th, 2010 at 12:00 am

    Tyler

    True! I knew that about Hughes. But Hughes is a class act. If Hughes had been from Boston, he’d probably be classless, lol! I love talent, but I also love character. That’s why I love Jeter and AROD! Two different people, with different pasts, but as classy as they come. Underdogs!!

  320. Tyler June 8th, 2010 at 12:01 am

    Honestly the only time I would get excited about the draft is if the Yanks were in position to take a Harper or Strasburg type. Those guys can make an impact early and really build some hype in the system. Most of the rest will take 3-4 years. Give Colver time. He could surprise.

  321. GreenBeret7 June 8th, 2010 at 12:01 am

    The Yankees generally find their better draft picks from the 3 round on. Let’s see who they pick from Rounds 2 thru 50 before pissing all over yourselves. 99% of the people on here haven’t got a clue as to who these kids are. The only ones you care about are the ones that have their names in the paper every day. Unless NYYs finish with the worst record in baseball, they aren’t getting a Strasburg or a Harper.

    Over the years, they’ve managed to draft a couple of near HOFers in the 19th and 22nd rounds in Mattingly and Pettitte. They got Romine in the 2nd round. They have a kid that has the 4th highest RBI totals in organized baseball this year as a 27th round pick in Brandon Laird.

    They have the guy with a .310 average, 4th in runs scored and 4th in steals playing left and center fields. I’d say that the Yanks draft pretty well, considering their yearly draft positions.

  322. G. Love June 8th, 2010 at 12:02 am

    If that report that the Twins were in on him is accurate, then we have to trust the Yankees.

    Terry Ryan ain’t getting on a plane to watch a kid play 2 games unless there’s a good reason.

    Clearly, the Twins didn’t think Culver was better than the Wimmers guy they took at 21, but none of know if he would have been their next pick regardless of slot.

    Just shocking to see us pick a guy that no media outlet has anything on.

    If he pans out, that will just add to his Yankee mythology.

  323. Yank 97 June 8th, 2010 at 12:02 am

    This 3-day draft format is torture

    Now I have to sit on this awful pick till tomorrow.

  324. stuckey June 8th, 2010 at 12:03 am

    “Thanks God we didnt get some scumbag named Vitek! Already can tell he’s a dirtbag.”

    So the Boston Red Sox called this kid’s name out into a microphone a couple of hours ago and that justifies calling him a scumbag and a dirtbag and otherwise smart people around here find this to be acceptable?

    And yes, this IS the real me.

  325. CB June 8th, 2010 at 12:03 am

    “Red Sox near agreement with 2 picks already.”

    So what this tells you, ironically, is that financial factors had a considerable impact on the Red Sox draft – the draft being lauded as genius by so many.

    For picks to sign this quickly – that means the Sox had conditional deals already in place with those players. Teams do that when they want to have some guarantee of total costs.

    And that makes a lot of sense because the sox had so many picks in this draft. They didn’t want to blow all the money on first round picks so they selected guys they could lock in on price.

    The Sox historically go over slot way more in the latter rounds than they do in the early rounds.

    Just look at last year – they had the pick before the yankees. They passed on Slade Heathcott and took a player in Raymond Fuentes who is also a CF but who doesn’t have much power hitting ability. They did that so they could sign Fuentes for slot and save their budget draft funds to go over slot later on.

    Which may be the exact strategy the yankees are choosing this year.

    When the sox do it – it’s genius. When the yankees do it – they are cheap idiots.

  326. CR9 June 8th, 2010 at 12:04 am

    Somebody else mentioned it, I think CB or SJ44. A billion dollar organization, and fans are bemoaning our draft picks. Sure, the Yankees do not make the correct decision 100% of the time, but they make the correct decisions far more often than most other teams or oganizations. Nobody and no organization is perfect. Couple that with the fact that MLB drafts are so unpredictable.

  327. Brian June 8th, 2010 at 12:05 am

    Pedroia is 5’9

    Jimmy Rollins is 5’9

    Both have power.

    Not every good player is 6’3″ tall.

  328. Betsy - Hughes rules (pleading the Fifth) June 8th, 2010 at 12:06 am

    Stuckey, that’s a pretty damning comment on the state of scouting.

    Fans elsewhere are already panicking because the Rays and Sox got some great talents that the Yankees either didn’t have the chance to get or that they passed up. Now, both teams have a lot more picks (why?) than the Yankees………….but I need to avoid those message boards now because if I don’t, I’m going to start to panic as well, lol.

  329. Tyler June 8th, 2010 at 12:06 am

    GB-

    Totally agree. In the middle round when signibility becomes a huge issue, the Yanks seem to shine as they should. Have you heard any news on when Banuelos is going to start throwing this year. I’m assuming he’ll be in Tampa after last year in Charleston but I’d love to see him get some innings in and continue on the his current track. He’s an exciting prospect especially with Vizcaino gone from the system!

  330. Jeremy June 8th, 2010 at 12:07 am

    I agree with GreenBeret7. Some people on here act like the Yankees have no talent at all. The Yankees do have plenty of talent in the farm. Even Gammons the Red Sox shill said so on Mike Francessa’s show.

  331. Bret the Hitman June 8th, 2010 at 12:07 am

    G. Love June 8th, 2010 at 12:02 am

    Terry Ryan ain’t getting on a plane to watch a kid play 2 games unless there’s a good reason.
    **************

    He shoots, he SCORES.

  332. Betsy - Hughes rules (pleading the Fifth) June 8th, 2010 at 12:07 am

    Stuckey, I didn’t see that – that’s awful.

  333. Flash June 8th, 2010 at 12:07 am

    First off this wasn’t that crazy of a reach. Oppenheimer was told after the pick that there was no chance that Culver was making it back to them at 82. So obviously they know something that BA doesn’t.

  334. Joe June 8th, 2010 at 12:08 am

    Sox 1st round pick wasn’t great. It was who they nabbed in the supp. round that is impressive.

    Runado was in mock drafts to go to BOS at 21. He was there in the mid 30s.

  335. Betsy - Hughes rules (pleading the Fifth) June 8th, 2010 at 12:08 am

    CB, why did the Sox have so many picks?

  336. CR9 June 8th, 2010 at 12:09 am

    Betsy

    Because of Jason Bay and Billy Wagner signing elsewhere, iirc.

  337. Tyler June 8th, 2010 at 12:09 am

    Dang I didn’t realize the Red Sox took Ranuado. Oh well, he does have a sketchy history with injuries.

  338. Cokey June 8th, 2010 at 12:11 am

    Sox, Rays, Jays all know how to draft.

    That is why this division is brutal. And all have a ton of extra picks as well. Jays have like 6 picks in the next 2 rounds or something. Boston had 2 picks in the supp round tonight and one tomorrow. Tampa has 2 picks left…. all before we select again.

    As long as we keep avoiding arbitration and those teams keep offering it, the pick disparity will be there every year. Not all those extra picks are for FAs, but the point still stands.

  339. Yanks CA June 8th, 2010 at 12:12 am

    “Dang I didn’t realize the Red Sox took Ranuado.”

    Outstanding pick for the Sox… that is who I wanted at 32 :(

  340. Betsy - Hughes rules (pleading the Fifth) June 8th, 2010 at 12:12 am

    CR, thanks! Oh, I had forgotten that.

    I would love to see the Yanks draft another arm…………

  341. CB June 8th, 2010 at 12:13 am

    “I was hoping for trout last year to fall to the Yanks. Jersey kid. Thought it would be perfect and he seems to really be raking.”

    I was too. That said, I was happy with Heathcott and didn’t think Trout would last.

    I did get a sinking feeling when the Angels of all teams took him. For them to draft a cold weather kid when they live in arguably the richest area of talent in the U.S. was a real statement.

    And now Trout is well on his way to being considered a top 10 prospect – potentially a top 5 prospect by the end of this season.

    BA, etc. didn’t even have his speed tool evaluated correctly. He could steal 70-80 bases this year.

  342. Tyler June 8th, 2010 at 12:13 am

    CB-

    Why does it seem the Yanks never offer arbitration to their pending free agents? Are they nervous that guys like Abreu, Damon, and Matsui are going to accept for more than they are worth on the actual market? I remember Abreu arb was like 13 million and they didn’t offer and he got 5 from the angels. It just seems like other teams always offer…

  343. REZ June 8th, 2010 at 12:14 am

    Tampa did great with their 1st round pick. Sox did very well in the 2nd round. STL definitely took home the prize tonight though… Cox AND Jenkins.

  344. CR9 June 8th, 2010 at 12:14 am

    Just another reason to love Wayne Rooney. Class act and utmost character.

    http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/ho.....feree.html

  345. Flash June 8th, 2010 at 12:14 am

    But recently whos farm has been producing more. Of late I’d say our farm has been one of the better in baseball in producing major league talent, and we are still very deep. Lets see what the Rays do in the draft when they don’t have top 5 picks for a few years in a row before we start saying they are spectacular drafters.

  346. stuart June 8th, 2010 at 12:15 am

    as stated the other day I live in so cal. next town from yelich picked about 15th.

    clowns oppenheimer and the crew absolutley know what they are doing. do you need us to give names? robertson, kennedy, ajax, chamberlain, hughes, romine, gardner, etc..

    talk to me about a draft being a success or failure in minimum 3 years maximum 6….

    they have drafted and developed tons of guys contributing in the majors.

    the facts are 1/2 if not more of the first round picks will neve ever do anything i hte majors… that is a fact………..

    jorge was picked in like round 15, pettitte in 17, and the beat goes on…

    the yanks minors have tons of talent, compare it to 5 years ago, 2 different worlds……….

  347. Tyler June 8th, 2010 at 12:17 am

    “Tampa did great with their 1st round pick. Sox did very well in the 2nd round. STL definitely took home the prize tonight though… Cox AND Jenkins.”

    —————————————————

    Maybe it’s just me but I hate to judge winners of the mlb draft. Its just not like the nfl where guys have an impact right away. Cox and Jenkins sound great but who knows how they play out. Plus, Jenkins is a heavy Baylor commit who could play QB there too. Culver could easily be better than both of them. You just never know…

  348. stuckey June 8th, 2010 at 12:17 am

    “Stuckey, that’s a pretty damning comment on the state of scouting.”

    Betsy, but that’s in fact the whole point. It’s not SCOUTING. “Scouting” is evaluations done by parties with a vested interest in the success of failures of these players – i.e. the teams.

    I don’t have much insight into how the Yankees operate on that level.

    The stuff magazines and website generate is for all of us. It’s SOLELY for our benefit – a consumer product. This means the APPEARANCE of it being comparable, weighted info is most important. Fans have to buy into it as a product.

    This means players are “ranked” although again, after the first few dozen standouts (which is still a crapshoot at best) the rankings become highly dubious. Culver was apparently 168 on someone’s list. Might as well be 68 or 368.

    The reports also need to compare the players to familiar names and/or project a “ceiling” for these players, particularly because that’s what consumers want – they want to imagine what these players could “become” and need a snapshot to help them do it.

    To place any floor or ceiling on a 17 year old is pure folly.

    “Fans elsewhere are already panicking because the Rays and Sox got some great talents that the Yankees either didn’t have the chance to get or that they passed up. Now, both teams have a lot more picks (why?) than the Yankees………….but I need to avoid those message boards now because if I don’t, I’m going to start to panic as well, lol.”

    Any fan who feels the first 2 rounds of the 2010 draft will be a tipping point in the balance of power in the AL East just doesn’t know a damn thing about the game of Major League baseball.

  349. Betsy - Hughes rules (pleading the Fifth) June 8th, 2010 at 12:18 am

    Flash, the Yankees farm has outproduced the Sox recently, but the Sox are considered to have a better system and they seemed to have scored some major talent. The Yanks have 2 picks overall and the Sox have a ton – that hurts.

  350. Rick DC June 8th, 2010 at 12:19 am

    This reminds me of the Knicks taking Renaldo Balkman in the lottery a couple years ago. A guy who was supposed to be undrafted lol

    The ESPN set was stunned. Same reaction from the MLB Network when we took this SS.

  351. GreenBeret7 June 8th, 2010 at 12:20 am

    Brackman pitched well except for a 3 run 2nd inning tonight. 6 innings, 6 hits, 3 runs, 1 walk and 4 strikeouts. Still no conformation on what changes were made in him since his 4th start of the year. but, in 49 innings this year, he has 40 strikeouts and just 7 walks. He’s allowed 9 runs in his last 37 innings, only 8 were earned runs, along with 27 hits.

    http://web.minorleaguebaseball.....pid=457581

  352. Flash June 8th, 2010 at 12:21 am

    Renaudo has had a terrible year, is having elbow troubles and may not sign with the Sox,

  353. Tyler June 8th, 2010 at 12:21 am

    Betsy-

    I don’t really think the Sox system is better than the Yanks in my opinion unlike espn, baseball america etc. Seriously, those outlets had Michael Bawden as a stud prospect and he has gotten lit up like a christmas tree in his time in the majors. Remember Craig Hansen? He was so highly touted an is nowhere to be found. Brandon Moss? Ferdin Tejeda was supposed to be the second coming a few years back. The Sox have talent but alot of it seems to be overhyped. The one guy who looked like a stud was Westmoreland but unfortunately he’s been stalled by that terrible brain surgery I think it was.

  354. Betsy - Hughes rules (pleading the Fifth) June 8th, 2010 at 12:22 am

    Stuckey, that’s very interesting; I guess I’ve learned a lesson tonight – don’t trust these scouting machines (like BA); trust the teams that have spent time with the kids, that have seen them over a decent period of time where they can come away with a true evaluation of their skills.

    The Weaver/Hughes example CB brought up seems to sum up the situation perfectly.

  355. CR9 June 8th, 2010 at 12:22 am

    Good stuff on Brackman. Who cares about runs. The key, at least IMO, to Brackman is strikeouts and keeping down the walks, which he has done great recently.

    By the way, I could not stand Brackman when he was with the NC State hoops team, iirc. Could not STAND HIM!

  356. Tyler June 8th, 2010 at 12:23 am

    “This reminds me of the Knicks taking Renaldo Balkman in the lottery a couple years ago. A guy who was supposed to be undrafted lol”

    —————————–

    the difference is in the nba draft you can find guys who can make an instant impact. Look at Evans, Jennings, and Curry. Those were all guys who weren’t picked first overall but were in the lottery and made huge impact. Balkman was atrocious lol. I would have booed the heck out of that if I was at Radio City lol.

  357. Betsy - Hughes rules (pleading the Fifth) June 8th, 2010 at 12:24 am

    GB, thanks for the update!

    Tyler, the Yanks have had some bad luck this year in their farm. Banuelos has missed 2 months – who knows when he’ll be back? Soon, I hope. David Adams was doing well, but he appears to still be out. Brackman appears to be improving and Romine has taken a huge leap, it seems. I’m really interested in Jose Ramirez as he seems to be one of the few really high end pitching talents in the minors; I haven’t seen many updates on him recently.

  358. Bret the Hitman June 8th, 2010 at 12:25 am

    If the Sox drafting and farm is so good, how come they have no trade chips at this trade deadline while the Yankees are STOCKED.

  359. stuckey June 8th, 2010 at 12:26 am

    “This reminds me of the Knicks taking Renaldo Balkman in the lottery a couple years ago. A guy who was supposed to be undrafted lol”

    Since when is 20 a lottery pick.

    And do yourself a favor, look at picks 9 through 19 in that draft.

    Isn’t all that funny in hindsight.

  360. kill.schill(ing) June 8th, 2010 at 12:26 am

    I’d hoped the Yankees were going to take C.J. Henry for the third time. You have to figure Damon will get it right eventually.

  361. CB June 8th, 2010 at 12:26 am

    “Why does it seem the Yanks never offer arbitration to their pending free agents? Are they nervous that guys like Abreu, Damon, and Matsui are going to accept for more than they are worth on the actual market? ”

    Tyler-

    It’s largely due to several factors: 1. They way they used to do business and their reliance on older players; 2. The radical readjustment in the salary structure for older position players with limited defensive value; 3. Baseline pay; 4. The desire to maximize cash on hand to sign free agents in the winter of 08-09 when CC, Tex and AJ were available; 5. The structure of the arbitration process and the way it almost guarantees salaries not only won’t get cut but will rise due to an implicit “raise” of some kind.

    They players the yankees didn’t offer arbitration to were all older players who were making a ton of money and who were entering a market that had collapsed for their services. That made them very different from a guy like Jason Bay. They were much more likely to accept.

    It has cost them but it was a cost that was well worth it.

    Javy will be an interesting case. He’s not going to have pretty numbers this year, but I do hope they offer him arb. Even if he accepts they can trade him. Some NL team will want him on a one year deal.

  362. Tyler June 8th, 2010 at 12:27 am

    I think I said Ferdin Tejeda in my Sox example a few posts back. Ferdin Tejeda was a Yankee prospect I believe lol. See, all teams have guys who don’t pan out LOL.

  363. Dylan June 8th, 2010 at 12:27 am

    Judging the draft right now is just silly. Even in 2 or 3 years, we still probably won’t know which teams made out and which teams didn’t. Most of the players drafted won’t ever make it. There will be guys in the late rounds that will be better than some of the guys drafted in the top half of the first round. Even in football immediately judging is ridiculous, but in baseball its even more insane. Plus, the Yankees are a big market team. Its not like we need to rely on minor league talent any time soon. We can afford to add big free agents.

  364. Tyler June 8th, 2010 at 12:28 am

    CB-

    That makes perfect sense. Thanks for the help!

  365. Betsy - Hughes rules (pleading the Fifth) June 8th, 2010 at 12:30 am

    Javy has a no-trade clause, though, so he wouldn’t be easy to trade.

  366. Flash June 8th, 2010 at 12:31 am

    Betsy,

    He has a no trade clause in his current contract. That wouldn’t carry over to his one year deal from arbitration if he accepts it.

  367. Bret the Hitman June 8th, 2010 at 12:31 am

    I hope the Mets finish .500 and sign Javier Vazquez in the off season giving us their pick while the Rays can take the last first round pick in compensation for losing Crawford to the 2010 WS champs.

    Just sayin’

  368. Jeremy June 8th, 2010 at 12:32 am

    The Sox should have kept Hanley. That would have solved all of their shortstop problems. Now they are stuck with Josh Beckett who has to be one of the most overrated pitchers in the game right now. The only thing he is known for is pitching great in the 2003 and 2007 postseason.

  369. CR9 June 8th, 2010 at 12:33 am

    Renaldo Balkman was actually not that bad. A great defender and role player for any team. I think he played a key role for Denver a year ago.

    Dont know why I looked, but Rondo was drafted right after Balkman. That means the Knicks helped the Celtics win 2 championships. What a Byfugliening joke. Pieces of Byfugliening carcillo. Just like we handed them Nate Robinson to save a few extra million bucks. Like the extra millions mattered, when Dolan is pis-sing away 60 million on Redden and Roszival.

  370. Yank1 June 8th, 2010 at 12:33 am

    Jon Heyman

    MLB draft first-day winners: #nationals, #pirates, #orioles, #redsox, #cardinals, #tigers

  371. GreenBeret7 June 8th, 2010 at 12:34 am

    Tyler, I haven’t seen or heard anything about Banuelos’ return. Not sure if their were complications or what, but, it’s only been about 7 weeks or so since surgery. He should be ready this month, though he may be in an extended ST session. It took Jorge Vazquez almost 6 weeks to recover.

  372. stuckey June 8th, 2010 at 12:34 am

    “trust the teams that have spent time with the kids, that have seen them over a decent period of time where they can come away with a true evaluation of their skills.”

    Betsy, safer bet is just to keep the scouting of amateur baseball players in perspective. It’s far and away the hardest sport to project. No sport has to burn through as many young players (the Yankees alone have 6 level of minors leagues) just to turn our a handful that will ever make the majors.

  373. Betsy - Hughes rules (pleading the Fifth) June 8th, 2010 at 12:34 am

    Flash, thanks!

    I don’t know – I guess offering Javy arb makes sense, but it really depends how he finishes up. If he ends up pitching very well, then yeah – I’d offer it to him. If he declines, then we get the picks.

  374. Rich in NJ June 8th, 2010 at 12:35 am

    The reason the Yankees didn’t offer arbitration to Damon, Abreu, and Matsui is very simple: the wider economy tanked.

  375. Ron June 8th, 2010 at 12:35 am

    Didn’t Isiah threaten to fight Jay Bilas after he ripped the Balkman pick?

    He also threatened to fight Bill Simmons after he ripped him in one of his columns

  376. Flash June 8th, 2010 at 12:35 am

    CR9,

    The Nate Robinson trade was a great one for the knicks. Bill Walker is going to be a very good player and JR Giddens will be a very solid player. Both will help us in the future. Nate Robinson was useless to this team.

  377. Sey June 8th, 2010 at 12:36 am

    When is the last time a Boras client accepted arbitration?

    Should have offered it to Damon

  378. Mackenzie June 8th, 2010 at 12:38 am

    The difference between the MLB draft and the NFL and NBA drafts is that you can’t trade around. The Yankees must have really liked this kid. In the NFL, if you make a reach, like Jacksonville did at #10 with Tyson Alualu, it’s bad because you could have traded down and gotten later picks. In baseball, you don’t have that luxury. So if you like a guy, pick him, and don’t worry that much about value.

    I have no idea how good this kid is. Neither does anyone else posting here.

  379. Mark June 8th, 2010 at 12:38 am

    I’m from the area .. i ump and ref hoops .. been umping him since he was 11 years old …. got to know him over the years from both sports ….

    no clue hows good hes going to be .. none .. hes 17 .. what i do know ..

    - he has a great work ethic .. kid works his but off and truely loves the game .. u can put that fear to rest .. no clue where that came from .. but i have seen it with my own eyes and am very good friends with one of his coaches who would not BS me and the kid has a great work ethic .. BANK IT ..

    - his tude his fine .. nice respectful kid who was raised to say please and thanks .. u guys can read what U want in the papers .. as usual that will only tell u part of the story .. I have witnessed it first hand and know coaches and players that have verified this ..

    - his defensive skill set is as good as i have seen … range is awesome .. soft, soft hands .. i was STUNNED when I heard that maryland was talking about him as a CFer .. he would be a fine one as he has great speed .. but what a waste of talent …

    now some may question what i have seen .. well i have umped the cape cod league .. and I saw the best of the best there .. and defensively even a soph in hs C (thats what he goes by .. C .. ) was right there with them …

    - hitting .. he has great bat speed .. he gets the bat through thte zone with violence … he has a frame that will fill in .. hes a skinny, thin kid … remember he is a KID …

    he may end up a “singles” hitter .. no clue .. he will DEVELOP AS he grows and matures and gets in the wieght room .. but if he does end up a singles hitter but ends up an above average SS .. is that such a bad thing??

    like i said .. no clue how hes going to turn out .. but two things i know for sure .. work ethic or tude are NOT ISSUES AT ALL and who ever is reporting it .. did not do there jobs even remotely close to competently ..

    i HATE the Yankees .. but i will root for C … cause hes a good kid ..

    Oh .. and u guys will have no probs signing him .. his whole thing was he would go to maryland if he wasn’t drafted high enough .. well I’m pretty sure the first round, especially by the Yanks .. is high enough .. so those with the dream of him not being signable … *LOL* cause thats just not gonna happen ..

    See Ya

  380. Chris June 8th, 2010 at 12:40 am

    CR9

    The worst part of that trade is that the Lakers were hard after Nate as well… and we chose to deal him to the C’s

  381. Jay D. June 8th, 2010 at 12:41 am

    Think positive… He could be the next Troy Tulowitzki

  382. GreenBeret7 June 8th, 2010 at 12:41 am

    Gotta hand it to Heyman for going out on a limb on that one. He picks the winners from the teams with the first 3 picks and the others with multiple picks.

  383. Flash June 8th, 2010 at 12:43 am

    But we got a ton for nate from the celtics. What would we have gotten for the Lakers. I want the knicks to be good again. One thing I will say is when I was going to school in mass, the celtics arena was not crowded at all for the seasons up to the trades for garnett and allen. But MSG was rocking this year, i was very impressed with the turnout from Knicks fans this year despite not being in the playoffs for almost a decade.

  384. CB June 8th, 2010 at 12:45 am

    “MLB draft first-day winners: #nationals, #pirates, #orioles, #redsox, #cardinals, #tigers”

    This is just so sad. The idea that Heyman – a guy who over his career has completely ignored minor league baseball, derided the value of prospects and knows nothing about the draft is going to try to pick up the Mel Kiper act for baseball and declare “winners” is just a joke.

    But in this age of twitter and instant information and snap judgment is gives him easy content to create and traffic to his sites.

    Heyman is just awful.

  385. Sacfly June 8th, 2010 at 12:47 am

    Flash, next year will be a good year for the Knicks. There gona sign the package deal of Lebron,Wade and forgot the 3rd guy .Sory basketball not realy my passion.But still root for the Knicks.

  386. Jay D. June 8th, 2010 at 12:50 am

    “Heyman is just awful.”

    co-sign. Expect plenty more of this tomorrow morning too. These guys who never follow minor league baseball will look at BA’s mock draft to see who got who, and determine winners and losers.

    “Sox got a guy projected at 27, with the 35th pick. Winner!”

  387. CR9 June 8th, 2010 at 12:55 am

    Flash

    If Im not mistaken, each of those players are free agents. Now maybe we resign them for under 1 million. Maybe they become something with us as role players, with a Lebron surrounding them.

    But in the meantime – and I know Nate has not helped them that much, if at all – we gave the Celtics a guy who can change a game around in a hurry.

    We let Rondo pass in the draft. Just like the pathetic New York fans who would rather side with Boston fans than other New York fans, a New York team gifts Boston something. Unreal.

    New York fans rooting for a Boston team to win a championship. It’s almost criminal. Those people should be arrested for fraud!

  388. pat June 8th, 2010 at 12:55 am

    “Gotta hand it to Heyman for going out on a limb on that one.”

    I figured he went with the teams that drafted Boras advisees.

  389. EA June 8th, 2010 at 12:56 am

    http://rochester.ynn.com/conte.....1&MP4

    Nice video with Culver. Seems like a good kid.

    But the narrator of that video said Culver could go anywhere from the 3rd to the 20th round :(

  390. Melkman is in Hotlanta June 8th, 2010 at 12:59 am

    I wonder if SJ could be our next short stop?

  391. CR9 June 8th, 2010 at 12:59 am

    In essence, Dolan and Mr. Steinbrenner represent New York fans perfectly.

    They hate each other, and fight with each other, rather than getting along with each other, and rooting for each other’s teams to do well, and helping them in that goal.

    My loyalty is such that I was born to be a Boston fan; fortunately, I became a New York fan because I recognized “the Good”

  392. Flash June 8th, 2010 at 1:02 am

    CR9,

    They have options, atleast I know walker does. Nate was a nuisance. I’m a die hard knick fan, but I can’t stand nate. I never saw Nate as a means to getting to where we want to go. Gallinari on the other hand. You are watching this guy develop into a superstar. He was very solid most of the year last year, in what was basically his rookie season. But he was great at the end of the year, even taking it to Carmelo.

  393. CR9 June 8th, 2010 at 1:06 am

    Flash

    I agree. I always thought Nate was a scumbag. And now that he’s a Celtic, now he truly is one. (I did always root for him in the slam dunk contests because he was a Knick, though)

    I know he isnt the means to the end (NBA Title), but we gifted him to the Celtics which upsets me.

    As for Galinari, Im not one to compare newbie players to superstars, but in this case, I’ll give it a shot. I could see Galinari turning into a Dirk Nowitzki. Size, great shot, can create his own shot off the dribble, great 3 point shot. Maybe not a back down game like Dirk, but he could develop one.

  394. steveoh June 8th, 2010 at 1:25 am

    Those saying that good picks can come from anywhere and that various rankings mean nothing are wrong. The fact is that while only a very small percentage of drafted players ever make it to the majors, a larger percentage of the ones that do are the highly regarded, higher *ranked* players. Yes, there are the high ranked that flop, and the Piazza’s, but those are outliers. It’s misleading and/or foolish to make arguments based on outliers.

    Culver could turn out to be excellent. It’s possible he is the mint 67 Corvette in the old lady’s barn. However, there would be a better chance with someone generally regarded to be a top 30 draft talent.

  395. Marty Funkhowser June 8th, 2010 at 1:26 am

    To those saying they could have gotten him later, don’t you think they know they COULD have? I’m sure they had some inside buzz from Cito himself that teams were eying him up. If they believe in him, pull the trigger, the baseball draft is overrated anyway.

    Kid does have an uphill battle in aspiring to fill Jete’s shoes, hopefully there is a transitional shortstop in between the two of them.

  396. steveoh June 8th, 2010 at 1:39 am

    I should also add that it is extremely unlikely that some other team would have picked Culver before the Yankees’ next pick. Unless the Yankees had some stealth info that some other team was hot for him, that’s why I said it was a waste of a pick.

  397. M&M June 8th, 2010 at 1:39 am

    Can’t believe we drafted a utility man in the first round

    Please tell me this is a joke.

  398. Yankees N More June 8th, 2010 at 1:54 am

    The Yankees could have EASILY had this idiot with pick #82, and probably with pick #112!

    I can think of only three possible reasons for this ridiculous pick, especially given the players left on the board:
    1) Cashman and Co. have scrapped the entire scouting department in favor of Miss Cleo’s Psychic Hotline.
    2) Cashman and Co. have scrapped the entire scouting department in favor of closing their eyes and using the force.
    3) Cashman and Co. are a bunch of F-ing MORONS!

  399. Yankees N More June 8th, 2010 at 2:00 am

    And the Red Sox end up with Ranaudo.

    So when that kid is dealing at 98 out of Boston’s ‘pen by the end of the 2011 season, we can all drive to Charleston to watch this Culver idiot, with his big loopy crap swing, hit .260 in A Ball!

  400. Jack Florham June 8th, 2010 at 2:00 am

    “Sey June 7th, 2010 at 11:21 pm
    lol I bet this kid was out tonight and was absolutely stunned, just shocked that he was picked in the 1st round. His people probably told him sometime in the 4th round, mid-day tomorrow.

    How do you take a guy ranked 160 something by Baseball America with pick number 32…. brutal…”

    Like BA with its handful of part-time scouts with a scouting budget probably 1/100th of the Yankees scouting budget, and 1/5 the number of regional and national cross checkers, whose employees are only working for BA because they couldn’t land a full time scouting job with a major league club are in a better position to pick talent than the Yankees (or any major league organization for that matter). If the BA scouts were all that they’d be drawing a salary with a major league club. Put it this way, if you were a really good scout, with an eye for talent would you be working for BA?

  401. Tyler June 8th, 2010 at 2:01 am

    Big Loopy Swing?

    Where did you read that?

  402. Jack Florham June 8th, 2010 at 2:06 am

    “Yankees N More June 8th, 2010 at 2:00 am
    And the Red Sox end up with Ranaudo.

    So when that kid is dealing at 98 out of Boston’s ‘pen by the end of the 2011 season*, we can all drive to Charleston to watch this Culver idiot, with his big loopy crap swing, hit .260 in A Ball!”

    *You mean like Craig Hansen?

  403. Jack Florham June 8th, 2010 at 2:09 am

    “Yankees N More June 8th, 2010 at 1:54 am
    The Yankees could have EASILY had this idiot with pick #82, and probably with pick #112!”

    So I guess you know how the draft board of each and every major team stacked up and how they rated Culver??

  404. vblade June 8th, 2010 at 2:09 am

    The mass hysteria is hilarious.

    How many Red Sox “can’t miss” draftees in the last 3 years have ended up being studs on the big league club, or even high end AA-AAA prospects?

  405. Jerkface June 8th, 2010 at 2:21 am

    How many Red Sox “can’t miss” draftees in the last 3 years have ended up being studs on the big league club, or even high end AA-AAA prospects?

    Casey Kelly is in AA! But he hasn’t magically found the 2 MPH everyone predicted he’d gain and kind of sucks.

  406. Flash June 8th, 2010 at 2:26 am

    Yankees N More,

    Guess what moron Oppenheimer was told after he took him from another teams representative that he wouldn’t have been available for the yanks at their next pick. So that already debunks your stupid post.

  407. Jason22 June 8th, 2010 at 2:46 am

    First of all, I just want to thank Mark for giving what no one else on this site, or any other has done, and that is a first hand report.

    Thank you Mark for maybe, just maybe enlightening some of the people on this site who have acted so rabidly to say silly things when they have no idea who the kid even is, all because some site knocked him, and they had not heard his name mentioned.

    This people is what is called scouting, guys like CB, Phil who I have not seen here yet and others get it, do not over react so fast ladies and gents, the team has a plan, and they spend a lot of money on scouting these kids, they are not going to do anything without really good reasoning behind it.

    Also to Erica and some others who were trying to be the voice of reason, and supporting this kid, thank you for using common sense.

    Now for anyone who is a Pinstripes Plus reader, you should head over there and read the interview with the kid, as well as the blog that Kevin did with Damon, it will answer many of the questions, so many of you have been hyperventilating about all night.

    I will not copy and paste what was said, as it is a pay site and it’s not right to do that but I will just say this. The Yankees scouted this young man and had more inside info on him, than anyone else. They also knew other teams were in on him, and that they had the belief that if they did not pick him in the first round he would not be available with their next pick at 82 overall. After the fact when they made their choice, their beliefs were verified by another team, who let them know, that in fact he was not going to be available at 82, this team was going to select him before then.

    None of us besides Mark has any clue how good C is now, or what he is going to develop to be, but I trust the Yankees scouts who spent a lot of time with him, and now all we can do is wait and see.

    Mark, I am going to copy and paste what you wrote on the Pinstripes Plus forum, and also on the NYYFans forum, maybe your words can change some minds over there as well.

    Chris Culver fan since the night we drafted him, even though I have never seen him play, he’s a Yankee now, and I think the one thing we can agree on is we all want the Yankees to do well.

  408. Miguel June 8th, 2010 at 5:13 am

    The only person that’s said another team would have picked Culver before 82 is the guy who drafted him at 32. It’s a little self-serving by Oppenheimer – to say the least. Culver doesn’t have any obvious plus tools (except maybe throwing), plays in a cold weather region, against relatively inferior competition, and has a messed-up family history. Those factors scream 3rd-20th round pick. But it really doesn’t even matter whether Culver would be there at 82 or later because you know who would be? Some one almost exactly equivalent to him in talent

    Smallish, middle infielders with no power and no proven hit tool are not a rare baseball commodity. Slot signing bonus for pick #32 is around $1M. There has to be 10+ Division I college shortstops that profile similarly to Culver – you know what those guys sign for? less than $100K. Probably a 1/4 of the players on the Dominican Summer League Rosters profile as smallish, middle infeilders with limited power potential. Most those guys sign cheaply too.

    The best any non-Yankee evaluator says about this pick is that maybe it just a bad pick and not a historically bad pick. A 1st Rd pick by the New York Yankees shouldn’t project in the best case scenario as an average mlb regular. This is a low upside, high risk player – quite the opposite of what any reasonable fan should be hoping for from their team.

  409. Mike June 8th, 2010 at 5:36 am

    You people make me laugh with your draft comments. For 99% of you, the next draft prospect you see play “live” will be your first, yet you’re all experts. Wow.

  410. Crawdaddy June 8th, 2010 at 5:57 am

    Yup, I’m disappointed with the pick, but that’s just me being an ignorant fan about this prospect’s playing ability. Hopefully, the Yankees scouts did their due dilegence in scouting this player and he works out for them.

  411. Nick in SF June 8th, 2010 at 6:11 am

    I am so disgusted and distraught by this Calver pick… don’t tell me I spelled his name wrong, in what universe has this overrated punk earned the right to have his name spelled correctly by a Yankee fan…. argh, I had to leave the house after this horrendous joke of a GM Cashman squandered our team’s future on a nothing from upstate nowhere… oh my god…. I walked the streets for hours cursing the darkness… “Calver!!!!” I cried out… and the darkness did not answer… how could it, as it is ranked too low by Darkness America to have a voice…

    Eventually I found myself at the edge of the Bay, barely remembering how I’d gotten there, so furious was I at Cashman’s selfish folly… and so I sat at the dock of the Bay… watching the tide roll away… just as the future success of the Yankees will roll away, or rather has been flushed away by a man who is perhaps on the payroll of North Korea, Brian Cashman…

    I have never been more stunned…. the New York Yankees just picked someone I had never heard of 8 hours ago instead of one of the many better players available, the ones I had never heard of 10 hours ago… 2 hours more notariety, it could mean all the difference….

    The sun will still come up tomorrow, or so I have read on a twagic twitter feed… but it will not come up on the same world it left the night before… it will come up on a world somehow smaller, sadder, emptier… devoid of hope of a brighter Yankee future… they said that the sun never set on the Yankee Empire, yet the twilight has not just reached us but has swallowed us whole.

    Goodnight, Yankee Moon.

    Goodnight.

  412. upstate kate June 8th, 2010 at 7:06 am

    WOW
    just skimmed thru the overnight comments…how are people so upset about a draft pick??? how many of us know anything about any of these kids? who even knew the top 3 before this past week?

    anyway, he may be upstate to you, but he is downstate to me :)

  413. The Dude June 8th, 2010 at 7:09 am

    JUST ANOTHER BLOW TO FREEDOM AND LIBERTY, CHAIRMAN OBUMMA MUST HAVE CALLED IN A FAVOR…GOODBYE U S A

  414. rj June 8th, 2010 at 7:15 am

    Kate, when you don’t have a life outside mommy’s basement, it gives one plenty of time to obsess over what you heard on some website about a player the Yankees chose that not only have you not seen play, but the person on whose website you read an evaluation of player X – he probably never saw him play either, but just extrapolated comments on scouting websites and passed off the results as his own scouting.

    These people really need to get a freakin grip. Armchair GM’s.

  415. Doreen - GTLU Stuff & Photos June 8th, 2010 at 7:36 am

    upstate kate -

    I read along all last night. It was not pretty in here at all. :roll:

    I thought it was best to not participate…

    Basically, I thinks it’s silly to pick “winners” and “losers” in a baseball draft.

  416. Yanksgal03 June 8th, 2010 at 7:37 am

    Insanity still reigns …is it sad or funny?

    Go Yankees 2010 !!!

  417. SJ44 June 8th, 2010 at 7:45 am

    It’s not silly Doreen. It’s dumb.

    Especially since less than 65 players have been picked so far.

    Basically, this blog has turned into a “same morons, different subject” place on too many nights.

    Same morons and crybabies whining the same way in different subjects.

    The baseball draft is the most subjective of all drafts.

    NONE of us have any idea about most, if not all, of these kids.

    All you have to do is look at previous drafts and see how many “can’t miss” kids miss.

    Won’t stop folks from losing their minds on here. Sadly, it’s what the ignorant children do best.

    It’s why so many threads are unreadable these days.

  418. blake June 8th, 2010 at 7:55 am

    Is it safe to come around now?

    I know nothing about Culver so I really have no comment on the pick. However, the Yanks must have seen something in him to justify taking him in the first round and the fact that the Twins were scouting him also is probably a good sign.

    Honestly, most of these kids are so far from the big leagues that you’re really just making an educated guess on them and hoping and putting a “eckstein clone” label on a 17 year old is beyond ridiculous.

    I also thought the Heyman Tweets were pretty funny given that he has no idea what he’s talking about.

  419. Tom in N.J. June 8th, 2010 at 7:59 am

    Nick’s 6:11 am post is the most epic thing I have ever read here.

  420. William Buckner June 8th, 2010 at 8:00 am

    It must have really slipped after the Culver pick. I left to watch some tv.

    Before then, I thought the conversation was better than usual.

  421. Keith FL June 8th, 2010 at 8:01 am

    Why is Girardi and others so motivated to get Posada back behind the plate, it’s not like we have a DH ready to step in and take his place since he is DHing right now…our DH, Nick Johnson is on the DL, which was as predictable as the sun coming out when we signed him, what were you thinking Cashman??????…..it boggles my mind that 2 players who were so instrumental in helping us win the World Series, Matsui and Damon were just let go and not shown the respect and love they so deserved…..why not keep Matsui at 7 million year instead of taking the chance on Johnson at 5.5 million, Matsui’s #’s are decent this year and would look good right now in our lineup and he could have rested when AROD, Jeter, Tex needed to DH…..or try to do the same with Damon, a little harder with his contract demands…..Cashman seems like he wanted to prove he could be a GM without spending money and now he is going to have to make a trade for a bat….Lupica has a good article today on Tex and our offense……if you would have shown Matsui and/or Damon that you really wanted them it could have been worked out, especially with Matsui who didn’t want crazy $$$$….this offense is just so stagnant right now…..and now a prospect will have to be given up to make a trade as Thames is not the answer, can’t hit a breaking ball for his life……and Johnson looks like he will be out for the year….Cashman really messed up this offseason when a few decisions were such “no-brainers”…..

  422. pat June 8th, 2010 at 8:01 am

    Talking about the draft last night in general and Harper in particular, my husband said to me, “must be nice to be 17 years old and know you are financially set for life.”

    It made me think about players like Yogi who joke about what they signed for to play and what they made in their careers compared to players in the game today but the numbers that players are signing for today pale what current players signed for.

    Looking at some of the numbers,

    Derek signed for $800K and he played 3 years in the minors, 5 years in the majors and had 4 WS rings before he made the $15M that Strasburg was guaranteed when he signed.

    Alex signed for $1M and played 1 year in the minors and 6 years in the majors and still had not hit the $15M mark.

    I’m not suggesting in any way that anyone should hold a telethon for Derek, Alex and others but it puts the wealth of MLB now in perspective when you see what guys who have never played a day of professional baseball are guaranteed compared to 2 of the highest paid players still currently in the game.

  423. SJ44 June 8th, 2010 at 8:03 am

    Blake,

    How can a draft that just started and isn’t complete have “winners”?

    Heyman should have been posting in here last night. He would have fit right in.

  424. MTU (aka GBURL) June 8th, 2010 at 8:05 am

    Morning sane people.

    What an absolute zoo this place turned into last night.

    Even I with my monumental optimism couldn’t handle it.

    I can only hope that today the Yankees will Draft Superman, Batman,
    and the rest of the superheroes or else we will all be driven completely insane.

    Absolutely pathetic.

  425. Billy D June 8th, 2010 at 8:05 am

    “Honestly, most of these kids are so far from the big leagues that you’re really just making an educated guess on them and hoping and putting a “eckstein clone” label on a 17 year old is beyond ridiculous”

    Is “Eckstein clone” such a bad thing? If this kid ends up being an average to a little above average everyday player for a decade plus, who appears in a couple allstar games and is the starting shortstop for a couple championship teams, the Yankees will have hit a homerun with this pick.

  426. blake June 8th, 2010 at 8:07 am

    SJ,

    By the same token, how can a team be a winner with one pick in which their no guarantee the player will ever even play for the parent club. Heyman needs to give it a rest and stick with what he’s best at, attempting to stir up trade rumors.

  427. SJ44 June 8th, 2010 at 8:08 am

    Cervelli is hitting .180 as a starter. That’s why they want Posada behind the plate. He’s their starting catcher.

    Matsui isn’t having a good year in Anaheim and was recently moved to 7th in the order most nights. That’s not a 7 million dollar player.

    Gardner is having a better year than Damon.

    The Yankees have the second best record in baseball.

    Whining and crying about them isn’t necessary.

  428. MTU (aka GBURL) June 8th, 2010 at 8:11 am

    The biggest joke of all from the pick is that we may already have our shortstop of the future in Nunez.

    This ss prospect might just be turned into another pitcher ala WDLR. :)

    And as SJ has pointed the entire remainder of the draft is still ahead of us.

    Some people could touch an Elephant and think it was a flea. They are that blind.

  429. upstate kate June 8th, 2010 at 8:14 am

    I live in a small town (pop around 10,000) in an isolated area, where the avg high school class is around 100 kids…and yet we have 2 locals playing in the NFL and 2 in the NHL.
    My point? I am sure no one knew who these guys were either, but they are now pro athletes…just b/c we don’t know Culver (and to be honest, I don’t know any of these kids in the draft) doesn’t mean he wont be successful.
    its just not worth worrying about

  430. Betsy - Hughes rules (pleading the Fifth) June 8th, 2010 at 8:14 am

    Who’s the bigger idiot, the kid or those who are killing an innocent kid who did nothing wrong for being an idiot? Disgusting – I was not happy last night either, but personally attacking Culver is really beyond the pale.

  431. SJ44 June 8th, 2010 at 8:15 am

    Most of the children whining about the draft have absolutely no clue how it works. They think it’s like the NFL Draft and apply the same principles to it.

    It’s NOTHING like the NFL Draft.

    Less than 2% of these kids ever see the majors.

    It’s about tools and signability. You attach a signing number to each player and hope their tools match the money spent.

    There are no winners or losers in the first day.

    A kid who may get picked in the 9th round could be the next Albert Pujols. Who, BTW, was a 9th round pick.

  432. MTU (aka GBURL) June 8th, 2010 at 8:16 am

    Kate-

    Absolutely.

    But worry they did.

    And rant they did.

    Almost endlessly.

  433. Keith FL June 8th, 2010 at 8:18 am

    SJ44: My Goodness, I’m not whining or crying, merely venting and frustrated watching our offense and missing Damon and Matsui…that’s what this blog is for…..relax and take it easy, we are all fans, unless you are employed by the Yankees…..you seems rather defensive on this….

  434. SJ44 June 8th, 2010 at 8:18 am

    There is nothing to be happy or unhappy about.

    NOBODY has seen many of these kids play.

    How can you offer an opinion if you have never seen him play?

    It’s an exercise in idiocy.

  435. MTU (aka GBURL) June 8th, 2010 at 8:19 am

    SJ-

    Pujols ?

    How about GGBG. Where was he picked in the draft ?

    You would have needed a telescope to find him.

  436. Betsy - Hughes rules (pleading the Fifth) June 8th, 2010 at 8:19 am

    Mark, thanks for the insight on Culver – much appreciated!

    Well, I was one of the lunatic fringe here last night, but thanks to some convincing, I’m done complaining and will just trust that the Yankees (who I do trust) know what they are doing

  437. MTU (aka GBURL) June 8th, 2010 at 8:21 am

    Last night’s reactions to the Culver signing were a great example of Mass hysteria.

    Textbook.

  438. Bronx Jeers June 8th, 2010 at 8:23 am

    Well that was about the longest and latest post I think I’ve seen from our friend in SF. Very sad.

    I just hope that in the 5-6 years from now, if this “Calver” somehow doesn’t pan out the way some hope, that our friend still has the courage to keep from hurling himself off that cold and heartless dock.

    But I wouldn’t fault him if he does indeed decide to leave this world. The Yankee hierarchy needs to know that the decisions they make have deep repercussions in our souls.

    As a matter of fact, I would urge all who feel “betrayed” over this draft pick to re-examine their lives and take a long hard look at the possibility of perhaps leaving this earth to those of us who are indifferent to this pain. Your lives shall not pass in vain I swear.

  439. Betsy - Hughes rules (pleading the Fifth) June 8th, 2010 at 8:23 am

    Well, Fanhouse doesn’t think the Yankees are losers nor do they think this kid is a loser:

    http://mlb.fanhouse.com/2010/0.....g-winners/

    • The New York Yankees had a player they really wanted, regardless of where he was in the draft, and that was Cito Culver, who they picked 32nd overall. It’s easy to bash, but teams have a solid feel for signability players who will be available further down the line. Culver was evaluated high on their board and got stellar grades from the MLB Scouting Bureau this spring, grades that could have pushed him into the top 25. This is an example of a club not worrying about public perception and taking the guy scouts evaluated as being best for the organization

    *** Unfortunately, the Sox and Rays apparently made off with a haul, and the Sox kids are not THAT far away. Looks like the Mets got a good pick as well. ……………ick

  440. Doreen - GTLU Stuff & Photos June 8th, 2010 at 8:23 am

    pat -

    That certainly is thought-provoking.

    I think the system has run amok in terms of guaranteed money to sign these kids. Even if they truly are “can’t miss” guys, and even if the baseball economy can currently support the figures given, it blows the whole concept of having to earn your “payday” completely to smithereens.

    I read a book recently, Dirk Hayhurst’s “The Bullpen Gospels.” He is/was a relief pitcher for the Padres, but most of his career was spent in the minor leagues. One of the things he touches on in this book is how things are different for guys that teams have invested a lot of money on versus guys that signed for average or below. The guys who have been heavily invested in are naturally going to get some of the “breaks” necessary.

  441. SJ44 June 8th, 2010 at 8:24 am

    They lead the league in runs scored. They haven’t missed Matsui. Have you seen him play lately? He’s been awful at the plate.

    They made Damon the largest offer he had in the marketplace and he turned it down. Nothing they can do about that.

    They have the second best record in baseball. There is no evidence they miss either guy.

    And no, the blog isn’t a vent box. It’s a place to discuss baseball.

    Whining about issues that have been discussed ad nauseum on here makes little sense.

    Paying Hideki Matsui 7 million dollars would have been crazy given his production. His better days are behind him.

  442. upstate kate June 8th, 2010 at 8:30 am

    and for a change of subject…which team has been the biggest surprise this year?
    the Nats? still in the mix, and w/ Strasburg starting today. The Jays? good pitching/ good HR hitting. I am going w/ the Padres. I don’t follow the NL very much, especially the NL west, but they have been a pleasant surprise. I am happy to see the Hairston bros doing so well. I liked Jerry when he was w/ us.

  443. SJ44 June 8th, 2010 at 8:30 am

    How do you know they made out with a haul and are not far away Betsy?

    The Rays drafted HS kids. They are 5 years away, if they make it at all.

    The kid the Sox drafted from Ball St. isnt “close” at all.

    Renuado? He has a bad elbow and is a Boras client. Meaning, he’s a tough sign.

    Bryce Harper is the best player in this draft and he’s at least 3 years away from the majors.

    Nobody is “close” to being in the majors from this draft.

  444. Billy D June 8th, 2010 at 8:31 am

    Betsy:

    One thing to remember about Fanhouse is that Pilliere is to the Yankees as Gammons is to the Red Sox. He’s a big Yankees kiss ass.

    Doesn’t make it a bad pick though. That will take years to determine. And it certainly doesn’t make this kid a bad guy.

    As for the Red Sox, they had to go into the draft with a strategy of taking guys who are closer to being able to contribute to the big league team because they are so bereft of likely contributors at AA and AAA. They had to take college kids early on, IMO. Yankees went into this with the luxury of being able to select someone who can be developed over time.

  445. Betsy - Hughes rules (pleading the Fifth) June 8th, 2010 at 8:33 am

    MLB should apologize to Culver for coming right out and saying he had attitude/work ethic issues. Since they hardly even knew who he was, I want to know how they knew enough to even say something like that. It makes me want to avoid MLB network altogether from now on.

  446. Erin June 8th, 2010 at 8:33 am

    I know it’s going to be a good day when one of the first things I see this AM is a Seinfeld related tweet. :D

    BloggingBombers George: “You want to talk about hotels or do you want to win some ballgames?” Jeter: “We won the World Series.” George: “Six games.”

  447. Betsy - Hughes rules (pleading the Fifth) June 8th, 2010 at 8:33 am

    I have no proof that that is true, Billy………………why should I believe that?

  448. MTU (aka GBURL) June 8th, 2010 at 8:34 am

    I’ll go a step further.

    Good for the Yankees.

    They selected the guy THEY thought was a good 1st choice not who
    BA, or other talking heads thought was solid draft material.

    If Culver turns out to be anything the Yankees have the right to laugh themselves silly at all the so-called experts.

  449. Betsy - Hughes rules (pleading the Fifth) June 8th, 2010 at 8:35 am

    Also, Billy, the Yankees aren’t exactly stocked at AA and AAA either….

    SJ, I was just going based on what Frankie had said………

  450. Betsy - Hughes rules (pleading the Fifth) June 8th, 2010 at 8:36 am

    It was completely rude of MLB to laugh and go dead silent when the Yankees made the pick……..I’m turned off of them right now.

  451. Billy D June 8th, 2010 at 8:40 am

    “I have no proof that that is true, Billy………………why should I believe that?”

    You shouldn’t. You should read his stuff yourself and decide. I have. It is my opinion he’s a Yankees fan, who while objective in his writing about the rest of MLB, is not so when it comes to the Yankees.

  452. MTU (aka GBURL) June 8th, 2010 at 8:43 am

    What should matter to us are what OUR guys think not what a bunch of talking heads think.

    Have any of them even seen Culver play ?

    Have any of them even had so much as 1 conversation with him ?

    These are the same types of people who give you the state of the world on TV who often prove to be incredibly biased and clueless.

    So who really cares what they think unless they have 1st hand experience with players.

    I’ll trust our scouts a thousand times more than some talking head who mainly likes the sounds of their own voice.

    If you buy a car would you rather drive it first and look it over yourself, or would you think it would be wise to just buy the car that Consumers reports tells you buy w/o even ever having seen it ?

  453. SJ44 June 8th, 2010 at 8:52 am

    This boils down to a simple fan philosophy…

    If the fan has heard of the player=good pick.

    If a talking head praises a pick=good pick.

    If the fan hasn’t heard of the pick=bad pick.

    If a talking head doesn’t praise the pick=bad pick.

    That what sets off firestorms and hysterics.

    If folks took a deep breath and actually read the release on the kid, you would see he was heavily scouted by the Yankees.

    Meaning, the Yankees didn’t pull the pick out of their butt. They were on the kid for awhile.

    Doesn’t mean he will be a superstar or a bust.

    Just means they spent a lot of time with the kid and decided he was the guy to take in that slot.

  454. melladie June 8th, 2010 at 8:53 am

    Billy D June 8th, 2010 at 8:31 am

    Betsy:

    One thing to remember about Fanhouse is that Pilliere is to the Yankees as Gammons is to the Red Sox. He’s a big Yankees kiss ass.

    Second gunman on the grassy knoll.

  455. Bob June 8th, 2010 at 8:55 am

    When can the Yankees throw their money around in the international market to get some young talented kids from the Dominican Republic etc ? This is how we’re gonna draft better young talent, not by drafting so low all the time. I just heard that Toronto picked a very tall and talented pitcher with their first pick. They keep stocking up on young arms. We saw 3 of them this past weekend.

  456. pat June 8th, 2010 at 8:57 am

    Doreen

    I tend to be okay with people getting paid what the market will bear and worth = what someone is willing to pay.

    That being said, I’m conflicted when people are paid on potential and just more comfortable when they are paid on track record.

    Was the Hayhurst book good? I’m looking for a good “out by the pool” read.

  457. GreenBeret7 June 8th, 2010 at 9:01 am

    pat June 8th, 2010 at 8:01 am
    Talking about the draft last night in general and Harper in particular, my husband said to me, “must be nice to be 17 years old and know you are financially set for life.”

    It made me think about players like Yogi who joke about what they signed for to play and what they made in their careers compared to players in the game today but the numbers that players are signing for today pale what current players signed for.

    ———————————————————————————————————————-

    pat, do you know how the Yankees signed Yogi Berra? They were the only team “stupid enough” to sign him for the same $500 bonus that his friend, Joe Garigiola got from the Cards. That’s where he wanted to sign…with one of the St. Louis teams.

    When he showed up at Yankee Stadium in his Navy jumper for his first workout after his discharge from the Navy, Larry McPhail and George Weiss saw him for the first time and McPhail asked Weiss who he was. Weiss said that he was the new catcher/outfielder from St. Louis, Larry Berra. Weiss said he knew that Berra didn’t look like much of a ball player and McPhail said, “Hell, he doesn’t even look like much of a sailor.”

    $500 bonus for Berra, $7500 for Ford and $1500 for Mantle. Only $1,000 of Mantle’s was actually a bonus. They deducted a $150.00 a month for his first year’s salary. There’s still a debate up in Boston as to whether the Yankees got their money’s worth.

  458. NYY626 June 8th, 2010 at 9:05 am

    Nick in SF – that was the most amusing post I have ever read. Thank you.

  459. Tom in N.J. June 8th, 2010 at 9:05 am

    :arrow:

  460. Erin June 8th, 2010 at 9:06 am

    New Post: “He definitely, 100 percent, jumps out at you”

  461. teddy gbu June 8th, 2010 at 9:29 am

    about the draft, is doesn’t affect the mlb roster, if he a bust, he a bust. the yanks know the deal. they have a 200 million dollar payroll and spend alot on international guys.

    this isn’t drafting a qb in the first round and setting your franchise back

  462. Aaron June 8th, 2010 at 9:35 am

    Vitek, rumored to the Padres at No. 9, has already agreed to terms and is expected to move to third base immediately. The hope is that he’ll stay there, though it’s possible he’ll end up in the outfield. The Ball State product has a polished bat that should allow him to move through the minors quickly. He’s a future 20-homer guy. Brentz was another one of the best hitters in college this year. He has on-base skills to go along with possible 20-homer power, and he should be a pretty good defender in right field. Ranuado, an LSU product, was one of the players the Red Sox were often connected with at No. 20. His stock took a hit due to an elbow injury that took a toll on his velocity this year, but he has a great fastball-curveball combo when he’s on. Jun. 8 – 2:13 am et..

    So, they’ve already signed their first round pick?

  463. mick June 8th, 2010 at 9:58 am

    And guess who lead the way in here? The sky is falling, the sky is fallingTU (aka GBURL) June 8th, 2010 at 8:21 am
    ======================================================
    Last night’s reactions to the Culver signing were a great example of Mass hysteria.

    Textbook.

  464. Mark June 8th, 2010 at 10:16 am

    Jason/Betsy … no problem … If u have any questions about him feel free to ask …

    shocked it was the MLB network that questioned/dissed his work ethic/tude .. they should be better than that .. way better than that ..

    Jason … will u e-mail me the interview from the pay site If i promise it stays with me? .. if u will i will post my e-mail addy so U can send it .. let me know … Thanks either way ..

  465. Yankees N More June 8th, 2010 at 10:49 am

    I find it interesting that some people are actually encouraged by the “FanHouse report” alleged to “support” the Yankees’ pick.

    About the only thing supportive that was quoted is that the Yankees “didn’t worry about perception.”

    Everything else they said was everything that everybody else is saying… Ranked far lower, Red Sox got studs (that the Yankees passed on), who aren’t far awaym etc…

    They even mentioned “signability” being a factor. SIGNABILITY??? When did the Yankees turn into the Pittsburgh F-ing Pirates or the bankrupt Texas Rangers?!

    I for one expect the Yankees to do what the Tigers (and many other large market teams do)… When Rick Procello slides to you, you take him! When Castellanos slides to you, YOU TAKE HIM!

  466. Mickey B June 8th, 2010 at 11:56 am

    You know, I seem to recall a few years ago when Cashman got ripped – and I mean RIPPED – for not drafting Craig Hansen of St. John’s. It got worse for Cashman when the Red Sox drafted him.

    Hansen is now a 26 year-old bust toiling in the Pirates farm system. His ML career ERA is over 6.

    Children, settle down.

  467. Steve Sax June 8th, 2010 at 11:34 pm

    I have inside information that has told me the Yankees were worried about a couple teams taking Culver before they could pick him in the 3rd round. Yankees were worried about the Twins, whom they were informed would take him in the 2nd round and they were worried about the Cubs after the Cubs selected Hayden Simpson, another unknown, with the 16th pick. They really wanted Culver and didn’t want to risk him not being there.

  468. Gery235 September 19th, 2010 at 10:23 pm

    Why is everyone bashing The yankees for drafting Chris? The yankees were right in drafting him. I bet none of you have even seen him play baseball. On the otherhand, I have I grew up in irondequoit and I got to the same school he used to go to. If what one of the posters is saying is true, that the yankees were all about scouting him, then THE KID OBVEOUSLY HAS TALENT! JUST GET OVER THE FACT THAT HE ISN’T FROM A WELL KNOWN MLB drafting area.

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