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“He definitely, 100 percent, jumps out at you”

Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Misc on Jun 08, 2010 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

The Yankees seemed to go off the board with their first-round pick last night. Cito Culver did not seem to be on anyone’s mind except Damon Oppenheimer, who called it “an easy decision.”

“I didn’t know what to do,” Culver told the Rochester Democrat and Chronicle. “My legs gave out, I just fell. I love the Yankees.”

Culver hasn’t had the easiest path. His father is in prison for arson and other charges, and Culver has apparently used baseball and basketball as a release from what could not possibly have been an easy situation.

“He definitely, 100 percent, jumps out at you when you see him field and throw a baseball,” an opposing coach told the Rochester newspaper. “You would say ‘Wow.’ He’s that good, that kind of player… I tell you what, he’s the most-regarded position player from around here in a long, long time, in terms of being able to make it at the next level.”

Culver has committed to play at Maryland, but the Yankees will obviously try to convince him to turn pro. It’s worth noting that Culver played on the Yankees’ Area Code team last summer and worked out at Yankee Stadium. The rest of us might not know much about him, but you can bet the Yankees have seen him plenty of times and made the choice for a reason.

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174 Responses to ““He definitely, 100 percent, jumps out at you””

  1. MTU (aka GBURL) June 8th, 2010 at 9:06 am

    Nah. They didn’t know a thing about this kid.

    They just threw a dart at the wall and it hit his name so they picked him.

    See how simple that was. Takes all the work out of it. Much easier.

  2. CountryClub June 8th, 2010 at 9:08 am

    Look, I have no clue what this kid will turn into. BUT, if he becomes a plus defender and can hit for some average (doesnt need to hit for power if he’s a plus defender), then the pick is a success. It’s a big wait and see. But I’ll support the pick until he proves to be a bust.

    We’ve all been spoiled by Jeter when it comes to SS’s. There’s a reason why jeter is considered one of the 5 best of all time.

  3. Erin June 8th, 2010 at 9:08 am

    ?I didn?t know what to do,? Culver told the Rochester Democrat and Chronicle. ?My legs gave out, I just fell. I love the Yankees.?

    ****************************
    I like him already. :)

  4. melladie June 8th, 2010 at 9:09 am

    “They just threw a dart at the wall and it hit his name so they picked him.”

    Same thing the Twins did with Mauer. Or so my sources say…

  5. MTU (aka GBURL) June 8th, 2010 at 9:09 am

    Erin-

    You think he’ll sign then ? ;)

  6. Betsy - Hughes rules (Pleading the Fifth) June 8th, 2010 at 9:09 am

    LOL SJ, that was a good summation of the experience……

    One thing I have learned (not that I didn’t know it, really) is that the Yankees did not make this pick lightly. They did their research, they heavily scouted him – and they determined that he was worthy of spending a pick on no matter what anyone else thought.

    He doesn’t sound like he’ll be a tough sign, lol – and what a wonderful reaction. That’s the nice part of the draft – these kids have worked very hard to get to this point and this is their reward.

    What is “area code” baseball?

  7. Erin June 8th, 2010 at 9:10 am

    MTU (aka GBURL) June 8th, 2010 at 9:09 am
    Erin-

    You think he?ll sign then

    **********************
    I’m thinking it’s a definite possibility. ;)

  8. CountryClub June 8th, 2010 at 9:13 am

    This is from a commenter named Pat over at River Ave Blues:

    “Without going into much detail, Lane Meyer talked to Oppenhemer and said people told DO (after they picked Cito) that he would not have made it to them in the 2nd round.”

    I’ve seen a lot of “experts” say that the Yanks could have gotten him in the later rounds. Then again, maybe they couldnt have.

  9. MTU (aka GBURL) June 8th, 2010 at 9:13 am

    If I were the Yankees, since we did so poorly with Culver, I would call
    Heyman, Gammons, Law, and Callis immediately and ask them who we should take next.

    And let’s not forget to call Francessa,lupica, and Kay while were at it.

    These guys KNOW baseball. ;)

  10. Erica in NY June 8th, 2010 at 9:17 am

    Good morning everyone.

    Quite a thread last night. Good thing there was no actual Yankee game last night

  11. pat June 8th, 2010 at 9:17 am

    GB

    I’ve heard Yogi tell the Garagiola signing bonus story but never heard the Weiss/McPhail exchange. Good stuff. Reminded me of the story of Jeter asking Spike Lee if he could be in one of his movies and Lee telling him to try acting like a SS first. :wink:

  12. YankeeRay June 8th, 2010 at 9:22 am

    Kernan finally pleads with Joe to drop Tex in todays post.

    http://newyorkpost.com/p/sport.....J#comments

    It’s about time. I know I’m all over this but get it done already as you have nothing to lose by moving him. SJ and I debated yesterday but I agree with Kernan that Joe is being too protective.
    Move back of baseball card (BAC) Tex down to 5 but don’t put Cano 3, put Arod at 3.

  13. MTU (aka GBURL) June 8th, 2010 at 9:23 am

    This place became the theater of the absurd last night.

    It was an exercise in mass hysteria.

    Sombody yelled “fire” and most everyone ran for the exit at the same time.

    It’s a wonder no one was killed.

  14. upstate kate June 8th, 2010 at 9:25 am

    which is a shame MTU, b/c most of yesterday the blog was quite enjoyable.

  15. Doreen - GTLU Stuff & Photos June 8th, 2010 at 9:27 am

    pat

    I agree with you regarding salary – in the prior thread.

    The Hayhurst book was pretty good, interesting. I have been hesitant about recommending it, though, and I’m not certain why. I think you may like it. It’s a good background of what goes on for an average talent guy in the minor leagues – one person’s story. There’s nothing sensational in it, a few off-color situations (guys will be guys type stuff). I think it started to drag a bit in the middle, but overall it was good.

  16. Bronx Jeers June 8th, 2010 at 9:28 am

    Erin,

    “The Abstinence” was on last night. I guess Feinsand watched it as well.

    One of my favorites for obvious reasons.

  17. MTU (aka GBURL) June 8th, 2010 at 9:29 am

    Kate-

    yes Mam. I couldn’t agree more.

    Better duck after today’s draft choices. ;)

  18. Erin June 8th, 2010 at 9:32 am

    Bronx Jeers June 8th, 2010 at 9:28 am
    Erin,

    ?The Abstinence? was on last night. I guess Feinsand watched it as well.

    One of my favorites for obvious reasons.

    ****************************
    It’s one of my favorites too. :)

  19. Tom in N.J. June 8th, 2010 at 9:33 am

    “Quite a thread last night. Good thing there was no actual Yankee game last night”

    Erica, It was awful, that’s for sure.

    Just as awful is how a few of the biggest offenders are here this morning singing a different tune.

  20. ac1 June 8th, 2010 at 9:36 am

    i agree to move tex to 5 or 6 for now. i think joe is concerned about that looking like weakness to other teams. I dont agree but remember when Torre dropped A-Rod to 8th in the playoffs, and that was basically him conceding. Not the same of course, but i can see where he may be coming from.

  21. Mike Rice June 8th, 2010 at 9:37 am

    MLB drafts are always fun stuff.

  22. GreenBeret7 June 8th, 2010 at 9:40 am

    MTU (aka GBURL) June 8th, 2010 at 9:23 am
    This place became the theater of the absurd last night.

    It was an exercise in mass hysteria.

    Sombody yelled “fire” and most everyone ran for the exit at the same time.

    It’s a wonder no one was killed.

    ———————————————————————————————————————-

    Nobody got killed but Cashman and the innocent kid that was drafted by the Yankees.

  23. pat June 8th, 2010 at 9:41 am

    Doreen

    Thanks- I’ll give it a look on my next trip to Borders.

  24. Wave Your Hat June 8th, 2010 at 9:42 am

    I don’t know whether Culver will work out or not, but here is why fans were upset last night:

    Yankee first round draft picks since Derek Jeter in 1992:

    Matt Drews, Brian Buchanan, Shea Morenz, Eric Milton, Tyrell Godwin, Andrew Brown, David Walling, David Parish, John-Ford Griffin, Eric Duncan, Phillip Hughes, Carl Henry, Ian Kennedy, Andrew Brackman, Gerrit Cole, Slade Heathcott, Cito Culver.

    So it’s all well and good to say trust the Yanks, but there’s some support for maybe not trusting them either.

  25. Erica in NY June 8th, 2010 at 9:44 am

    Tom in N.J. June 8th, 2010 at 9:33 am
    ?Quite a thread last night. Good thing there was no actual Yankee game last night?

    Erica, It was awful, that?s for sure.

    Just as awful is how a few of the biggest offenders are here this morning singing a different tune.
    ************

    Lets give the benefit of the doubt that cooler heads prevail in the light of day.

    And now that we know that Culver has played within the Organization before, maybe… just maybe the Yankees know what they are doing

  26. SJ44 June 8th, 2010 at 9:45 am

    That’s really accurate Wave.

    You have to look at the Yankees drafts from 2006 on…..when Cashman had full control of it.

    Going farther back in time isn’t applicable because everybody knows George put nothing into the draft and amateur scouting for almost 8 years.

  27. SJ44 June 8th, 2010 at 9:46 am

    That’s **not** really accurate.

    Sorry for the typo.

  28. MTU (aka GBURL) June 8th, 2010 at 9:46 am

    GB-

    And to think it might not be over yet. More casualties may follow.

    Reading last night’s thread wore me out almost as much as my hike.

    It’s getting harder to avoid the chaos.

    Mornings are getting to be one of the only good times left.

    Let’s hope we don’t lose that too. :)

  29. ac1 June 8th, 2010 at 9:47 am

    I don’t know whether Culver will work out or not, but here is why fans were upset last night:

    Yankee first round draft picks since Derek Jeter in 1992:

    Matt Drews, Brian Buchanan, Shea Morenz, Eric Milton, Tyrell Godwin, Andrew Brown, David Walling, David Parish, John-Ford Griffin, Eric Duncan, Phillip Hughes, Carl Henry, Ian Kennedy, Andrew Brackman, Gerrit Cole, Slade Heathcott, Cito Culver.

    So it’s all well and good to say trust the Yanks, but there’s some support for maybe not trusting them either.
    ____

    So can you tell me what other teams have producted excellent 1st picks into superstars every year?

  30. upstate kate June 8th, 2010 at 9:49 am

    WYH
    how does that compare w/ other teams?
    Phil was certainly a good pick, so was IPK, its too early to tell on some of the others.

  31. Wave Your Hat June 8th, 2010 at 9:49 am

    SJ44-

    It is accurate. I double-checked.

    It’s all well and good to say look from 2006 on, but fans don’t do that. They have a memory of the organization, and there’s some sense in thinking organizations don’t really change even if their members do. And for most fans, Gerrit Cole was a bust and Brackman hasn’t changed any minds.

    So when the Yanks take someone that goes against conventional thinking, well maybe they are right, but its perfectly reasonable for fans to be dubious about it and i’ts silly to criticize fans for criticizing the Yanks.

  32. Betsy - Hughes rules (Pleading the Fifth) June 8th, 2010 at 9:50 am

    Sheesh, so what, so people were upset at the draft pick ? Is it necessary to get on our cases constantly?

  33. Bronx Born June 8th, 2010 at 9:50 am

    Chamberlain relieved to know his role

    After being drafted out of Nebraska with the 41st pick in the 2006 draft, Chamberlain pitched only a few months in the minors. After his first Triple-A start, Yankees senior vice president Mark Newman told him, according to Joba, “The rumors about you getting called up as a reliever are true; we just don’t know when.”

    http://sports.espn.go.com/new-.....report.com

    41st Round!

  34. GreenBeret7 June 8th, 2010 at 9:52 am

    MTU, it’s the later drafts that NYYs make their deals. They’re able to get ones that either cost too much for other teams or ones that fall through the cracks. Their real money is made on the international markets. After that, they buy pitchers and trade for bats that others can no longer afford.

  35. Billy D June 8th, 2010 at 9:52 am

    “41st Round!”

    41st PICK

    He went in the sandwich round.

  36. SJ44 June 8th, 2010 at 9:53 am

    Then fans are dumb because how can you hold Cashman responsible for drafts he didn’t participate, nor have a say in? Doesn’t seem fair or logical to me.

    In that time frame, the Yankees have also won 5 World Series. They have to be doing something right. Especially since they have more homegrown players on their roster than many of the contending teams.

    When I say, “accurate”, I mean denoting the difference between the Yankees being fully engaged in the draft (since Cashman took over) than when they weren’t when George put nothing into it.

    Also, if you look at every team in baseball’s first round picks over the last 10-15 years, you will see a lot of busts in there.

    That’s the whole deal with the baseball draft. Its a complete crapshoot and nobody really has a firm handle on it.

    Its why you draft a ton of guys and hope a few make it through.

  37. Steve P June 8th, 2010 at 9:54 am

    The problem with having 1 round of the draft is that it gives people way too much time to agonize over the one pick overnight.

  38. CountryClub June 8th, 2010 at 9:54 am

    Wave,

    Anything that happened before 2006 doesnt matter because there were different priorities in the organization (George didnt believe in the draft) and different people running the draft. That’s the point SJ is making.

  39. Aaron June 8th, 2010 at 9:58 am

    41st Round!\

    And getting worse every year.

  40. Fran (the original) and OPPC member June 8th, 2010 at 9:58 am

    How can you judge a draft the day it’s done? You first have to wait and see who signs and then see how they progress as a baseball player. There is never a guarantee even if you draft a “name” player.

  41. Pigs In Zen June 8th, 2010 at 10:00 am

    Olney’s take:

    A guy who could be the long-term replacement for Derek Jeter might now be in the Yankees’ system. The Yankees really like the advanced hitting skills of shortstop Chris Culver, their No. 1 pick. They feel like he has a comfort level at the plate, and he seems to slow the game down, and they believe he’ll have enough arm to stay at shortstop.

  42. Wave Your Hat June 8th, 2010 at 10:01 am

    SJ44,

    I’m not saying fans are dumb or smart. I’m saying they have a memory of organizational successes and failures. They remember the World Series successes and the draft busts both, they expect to win the World Series and they expect the Yanks to screw up in the draft.

    Obviously, the Yanks aren’t going to win every World Series, and they won’t always screw up in the draft either. But the fans remember Gerrit Cole and Andrew Brackman, and Henry too, and Cashman was certainly involved.

    That said, I personally haven’t chosen sides on this one. I’m just a little tired of people being overly optimistic and knocking all the doubters.

  43. Patrick June 8th, 2010 at 10:03 am

    I understand the dismay of fans after seeing the Culver pick but I think CB had a pretty good perspective last night. Culver is a guy that most third party writers and scouting organizations don’t know much about because he comes from a pretty barren area of baseball talent – upstate new york. So you can’t really trust guys like Law in this case because he’s never seen the guy play. He can only report second hand information from other scouts. The same information that organizations like Baseball America use.

    I’m not saying to trust the Yankees 100% (i’m not trisha after all) but in this case we have to give them some kind of benefit of the doubt because nobody here has even seen Culver play. Yankee scouts must have seen something in the guy to make them so high on him.

    Upstate is a huge Yankee territory so it’s not a surprise that the Yanks send scouts up there to look at highschoolers. It’s also not a surprise that Minnesota was in on the guy considering their AAA team is in Rochester. This seems to be the case of a local player impressing the (somewhat) regional franchises and being more unknown elsewhere.

    I’m not saying Culver is going to work out but I’d like to see him get more exposure before I can make a judgement on him.

  44. mick June 8th, 2010 at 10:04 am

    # Fran (the original) and OPPC member June 8th, 2010 at 9:58 am

    How can you judge a draft the day it’s done? You first have to wait and see who signs and then see how they progress as a baseball player. There is never a guarantee even if you draft a “name” player.
    =============================
    Fran,
    Some people believe what the so called “mediots” say and just love to jump to conclusions based on what they hear. It’s fun and stimulation and mostly knee-jerk. Some in here are expert at criticizing but they know not what they speak. Most of them have never played the game, from little league on up.

  45. CR9 June 8th, 2010 at 10:04 am

    http://www.nydailynews.com/spo....._game.html

    LOL!!

  46. Betsy - Hughes rules (Pleading the Fifth) June 8th, 2010 at 10:05 am

    What does it mean to slow the game down?

  47. Patrick June 8th, 2010 at 10:06 am

    Wave, I was as frustrated as anybody about the Cole pick but I can’t knock the Yanks for making it. Gerrit Cole is looking like a top 5 pick next year, he was absolutely the right decision for the Yanks a few years ago. It’s too bad he didn’t make his intentions known but my guess is that was intentional.

  48. CR9 June 8th, 2010 at 10:08 am

    “What does it mean to slow the game down?”

    Betsy

    My interpretation is that he doesnt get overtaken by any one moment. The game comes naturally to him, and he takes everything in stride. He sees the ball well out of a pitcher’s hand, etc. I could be wrong.

  49. Betsy - Hughes rules (Pleading the Fifth) June 8th, 2010 at 10:08 am

    So, Wave, are you blaming the Yankees for Gerritt Cole?

    Andrew Brackman’s career isn’t done, so how would he be called a bust? Maybe fans should remembe the picks that do work out – and I won’t even go back to the core because that’s ridiculous. How’d Phil turn out? Joba? IPK and Jackson were good enough to bring us back Granderson. Robertson? Cervelli?

  50. Betsy - Hughes rules (Pleading the Fifth) June 8th, 2010 at 10:09 am

    That said, the comments this morning were a tad condescending ……..

  51. pat June 8th, 2010 at 10:11 am

    “Sheesh, so what, so people were upset at the draft pick ?”

    Better question is why were people so upset about the pick? Because the “experts” didn’t agree with it?

    Many experts thought you couldn’t win a WS with a 35 year old SS, AJ was never going to make it last year without an injury, the Yankees were better off without Alex, CC couldn’t succeed in the big spot, etc, etc, etc…..

    Knee jerk reactions like the ones exhibited here last night are childish.

  52. Patrick June 8th, 2010 at 10:12 am

    What does it mean to slow the game down?

    I guess you could interpret that in different ways but to me it’s playing without hesitation – always knowing what to do in any given situation. At any level of baseball you have to always be 100% focused on the game situation – when you’re playing the field (shortstop especially), at bat or on the bases.

    It’s just like anything else, the more experience you get the more natural the game comes and the less nervous or uncertain a player is.

    For example, as a shortstop you have to know where to throw the ball when you field it, you have to know if you are taking the cut off from the outfield, if you have to back someone up, etc. There are so many different situations in baseball, it’s hard to feel calm and natural until you’ve experienced them all multiple times.

    Another example, when you first started driving didn’t it feel a bit out of control? I know when I first got my license I was much more hesitant when driving on a busy road. Now that I’ve driven tens of thousands of miles I know what to expect and everything is slowed down.

  53. CountryClub June 8th, 2010 at 10:12 am

    Every team makes bad 1st round picks. ask the rays how their SS of the future is doing right now.

    CJ henry was a bad pick. However, the Hughes, kennedy, Cole, brakman and heathcott picks were not bad picks. The Yankees are supposed to take high risk, high reward kids when they pick so late in the 1st round. Cole was a huge talent that changed his mind about wanting to go pro. Brackman may end up being a bust, but he was a top 3 type of talent. The type of talent a team like the yankees almost never sees where they draft. It remains to be seen what Slade turns into, but all reports are good so far. The only “safe” pick they made recently was Kennedy. But they made the safe pick with him because they wanted Joba (another high upside pick) in the sandwich round.

  54. RalphieD (OPPC) June 8th, 2010 at 10:12 am

    the more i hear about culver the more i like him, maybe its just blind optimism but he sounds like he has potential, maybe he can be an elvis andrus type, really solid on defense, contact hitter with speed…i dont want to compare the two but that was the only logical player i could think of….hes NOT ramiro pena, you dont draft a utility guy first round…i will root hard for this kid if/when they sign him

  55. Aaron June 8th, 2010 at 10:12 am

    I’m going to preface this comment with a disclaimer, so as to not upset anyone in the process: I am not trying to start a flame war, or hear responses from the kool-aid drinkers and cliff jumpers, nor am I implying one way or the other on this issue.

    How much of the frustration over this pick is because of the Red Sox’ draft. How much of the frustration of the Yankee draft choices are a direct result of the past five years draft, when even the most hardened Yankee fan looks at what the Sox have done v. what the Yankees have done (draft wise), and get upset at the difference.

    Again, I’m not trying to start a who v. who argument here…I’m simply asking. No need to throw the “JUSTIN MASTERSON” tag at me, as I’m not a Sox fan, and will simply respond with kindness.

    Be honest.

  56. Betsy - Hughes rules (Pleading the Fifth) June 8th, 2010 at 10:13 am

    Yeah, ok Pat.

  57. SJ44 June 8th, 2010 at 10:13 am

    Its inaccurate to say Andrew Brackman is a bust. Fact is, he’s been one of the best pitchers in the FSL for the past month. He’s throwing the ball the way he did prior to getting hurt.

    If he keeps up this pace, he will finish the year in AA and actually have a shot at making the Yankees next year in some capacity.

    He’s coming much faster than projected. Just as Pat M’s scout friend said he would.

    As far as Culver is concerned, the Yankees probably know more about him than anybody since he has played on their Area Code team and has worked out for them a number of times.

    Patrick is right. There is definitely a Northeast bias when it comes to third party scouting reports.

    I saw it last year with my nephew who got “penalized for playing at Boston College by the “gurus”. He went from a guy BA said was a “third or fourth round pick” in the middle of his season to a “second round pick” a month before the draft.

    Even as scouts told Jim Callis he was the best catcher in the draft, Callis refused to believe it.

    BA began to hear rumblings that teams liked him and still didn’t have him in the first round.

    Begrudingly, they put him in the lower end of the first round as they got closer to the draft.

    Two weeks before the draft, they knew (the scout that signed Tony used to work for BA) the Pirates were thinking of taking him with the 4th pick and still wrote it wouldn’t happen.

    When it did happen, they were ticked off they didn’t run with the story when they had it and called him an “overdraft”.

    Now? He’s one of the 5 best minor league catching prospects in baseball according to just about every scout that has seen him play.

    The moral of the story? Take BA, and other publications views of players with a grain of salt.

    Its not gospel and they often miss more than they care to admit.

    Sometimes, trite as it may sound, you need to trust the teams scouting players before going off the deep end. Especially in something as unclear as the baseball draft.

  58. Ace June 8th, 2010 at 10:15 am

    If the experts knew anything they’d be working for teams.

  59. Betsy - Hughes rules (Pleading the Fifth) June 8th, 2010 at 10:15 am

    Patrick, that makes sense -and that’s a good analogy. Well, the Yankees clearly love their pick, so we should give them the benefit of the doubt.

  60. Patrick June 8th, 2010 at 10:16 am

    He’s throwing the ball the way he did prior to getting hurt.

    I’ve heard his velocity is lower than it was when he was in College.

    I’m still optimistic on Brackman but in all likelihood he will bust

  61. Patrick June 8th, 2010 at 10:17 am

    If the experts knew anything they’d be working for teams.

    Not necessarily true…

  62. BIG AL June 8th, 2010 at 10:18 am

    It’s much easier to draft players that have 2-4 years of college baseball under their belt. You get a much better picture of the growth the college player has shown, as opposed to a HS player that has not gone up against real tough competition, nor as much pressure as a top college program. Let’s hope he shows as much MLB talent as young Phil Hughes, that was a great draft.

  63. Feline June 8th, 2010 at 10:19 am

    How anyone can defend the Pirates draft record is beyond me. They are a terrible organization. They took a decent catcher last year because he signed for cheap. That’s it. That’s why it was a HUGE over draft. You take stars in the top 5. Not average cheap players.

  64. Betsy - Hughes rules (Pleading the Fifth) June 8th, 2010 at 10:19 am

    SJ, what’s an area code team? Thanks!

  65. Patrick June 8th, 2010 at 10:20 am

    I strongly urge everyone to read Nick in SF’s post from early this morning (late last night for him perhaps?).

    Link: http://yankees.lhblogs.com/201.....nt-1396714

  66. Betsy - Hughes rules (Pleading the Fifth) June 8th, 2010 at 10:20 am

    Patrick, a bust because he very likely won’t turn out to be a #1 or #2 starter or because he’s going to end up as a reliever?

  67. Ace June 8th, 2010 at 10:20 am

    Yes it is Patrick. You think the guys at BA wouldn’t gnaw an arm off to work for a team? There’s no money in the baseball draft.

  68. SJ44 June 8th, 2010 at 10:21 am

    Who did the Red Sox draft? Its the same thing for them as it is anybody else.

    Just because Peter Gammons went gaga over the picks means NOTHING.

    He also said Craig Hansen would “decide the race” the year he was picked and also once called him the, “best setup man in baseball” after he had a three week run of good fortune.

    How did that turn out? He was every bit as big a bust as CJ Henry. Perhaps more given the hype surrounding Hansen.

    I still recall the Bill Madden story in the Daily News KILLING the Yankees for not drafting him.

    EVERY team has busts in the baseball draft. Its that unclear because scouting baseball players and projecting them out is the toughest scouting thing to do in any sport.

    Too many variables are at play.

    Its why you often take a toolsy kid, who is coachable and a hard worker, who won’t be tough to sign, and take your shot with him.

    Especially in a draft like this where there were less than 5 really, really good players and the next 50-60 were pretty much bunched together.

  69. CountryClub June 8th, 2010 at 10:21 am

    Aaron,

    I hate to brake this to you, but the Sox last 5 drafts haven’t exactly lit the world on fire. Yes, the BA’s of the world always fall all over themselves after each draft when it comes to Boston. But the fact remains that the results of their most recent drafts arent any better than the Yanks. As a matter of fact, the Yanks 2006 draft has produced a ton of ML talent. And last yr’s draft, which was panned by a lot of people, is starting to look very good.

  70. Pig's In Zen June 8th, 2010 at 10:21 am

    Brackman has 40 Ks and only 7 BBs. That’s very encouraging.

    I thought I read somewhere (probably here, lol) that he’s easing back on the velo in order to gain better control of his fastball.

    It that’s the case, it’s obviously working. Last year he had 76 BBs to go w/103 Ks (plus he led the world in wild pitches w/26).

  71. Erica in NY June 8th, 2010 at 10:22 am

    Patrick June 8th, 2010 at 10:20 am
    I strongly urge everyone to read Nick in SF?s post from early this morning (late last night for him perhaps?).

    Link: http://yankees.lhblogs.com/201…..nt-1396714
    *******

    Best. Post. Ever

    (But don’t tell Nick I said that. Don’t want to feed his big head)

  72. Eddie June 8th, 2010 at 10:22 am

    Relax on Brackman. He’s like 5 yrs older than anyone in that league dog

  73. RayVT June 8th, 2010 at 10:22 am

    Wave Your Hat June 8th, 2010 at 10:01 am

    Hello Wave! You make some good points! I believe the Yanks have difficulty drafting talking head picks because they aren’t picking a top-10 player. The Yanks normally draft near the bottom and for years had no real plan or strategy. Since Cash Money has been at the helm, the Yanks have chosen high risk high reward type players. You stated Brackman was a bust, but I believe he isn’t a bust and will show his mettle very soon in NY! Also, the Cole pick garnered a new pick the next year so it wasn’t a bust either IMO.

    The Yankees have made a real effort to draft good high end prospects and in a lot of cases their picks were injured and required more time to return on their investment. Some teams the draft is life & death to the franchise, but the Yanks have the luxury of time & money to correct any ills.

    I’m sure the Yanks were very high on Culver as he is in their backyard & they have seen him quite a lot. 2010 Draft was seen as a weak draft by the pundits, but 2011 is suppose to be very good. Perhaps Culver goes to college & Yanks get an additional pick next year. Perhaps Culver is the greatest thing since sliced bread or perhaps not. There are tons of rounds left to go 7 I believe there are a lot of gems out there to be discovered.

  74. Patrick June 8th, 2010 at 10:23 am

    BIG AL,

    Actually nowadays high school players are better investments in the draft

  75. Betsy - Hughes rules (Pleading the Fifth) June 8th, 2010 at 10:24 am

    Apparently Gammons worked Casey Kelly into the conversation any chance he could, lol. I like the guy and it never bothered me that he was biased towards the Sox – I never even noticed it, to be honest – but it is bothering me now.

  76. Patrick June 8th, 2010 at 10:24 am

    Patrick, a bust because he very likely won’t turn out to be a #1 or #2 starter or because he’s going to end up as a reliever?

    It’s still pretty likely he never makes the big leagues

  77. SJ44 June 8th, 2010 at 10:24 am

    Brackman is throwing 93-94 Patrick. The hammer curve is back and he is throwing the way he did at NC State, minus the wild swings in control.

    When he was throwing 98, he never knew where the ball was going.

    I’ve seen him pitch twice in the last month, and saw him at NC State and he’s getting back to form.

    The positive with Brackman is, he can be a faster mover because he’s more mature than a lot of younger kids.

    Its why, should he finish the year in AA, he could be knocking on the door to NY next year if he has a good Spring.

    Betsy,

    The area code games are a summer league setup by grouping kids in certain area codes.

    Its also a large tryout camp which gives teams a chance to view kids from certain areas.

  78. Patrick June 8th, 2010 at 10:25 am

    Yes it is Patrick. You think the guys at BA wouldn’t gnaw an arm off to work for a team? There’s no money in the baseball draft.

    Yeah do you think scouts make a load of money?

    Guys like Keith Law on ESPN make a lot more money working for ESPN than they would as a scout for an organization.

  79. GreenBeret7 June 8th, 2010 at 10:28 am

    Brackman is doing what other tall fireballing pitchers with control issues have done over the years. He’s backed off of the speed and found control. He’s still hitting 94-95 MPH. Let’s see what he does with 2 years of pro ball instead of just 1 year and 1 month. Since his first 4 starts, he’s been outstanding. 7 walks and 40 strikeouts in 49 innings.

    People forget that he only had 149 innings of college ball.

  80. Pig's In Zen June 8th, 2010 at 10:28 am

    I hear “Area Code Games” and immediately I think of Dallas Braden.

    He probably has an Area Code Games tattoo.

  81. Erin June 8th, 2010 at 10:29 am

    Patrick June 8th, 2010 at 10:20 am
    I strongly urge everyone to read Nick in SF?s post from early this morning (late last night for him perhaps?).

    ****************************
    I saw that this morning-it’s awesome! :)

  82. CountryClub June 8th, 2010 at 10:30 am

    Eddie June 8th, 2010 at 10:22 am
    Relax on Brackman. He’s like 5 yrs older than anyone in that league dog

    —————–

    While true, this isnt the red flag it normally would be because Brackman’s experience level is on par with the players he’s facing. he didnt concentrate on baseball and he missed a yr with TJ.

    The bottom line is that he’s consistently getting hitters out for the 1st time since the surgery. My guess is that they let him stay where he is for the full yr. Next yr he can do AA half the yr and AAA half the yr if he continues to pitch well. This yr they should just concentrate on his confidence and also getting his innings up.

  83. SJ44 June 8th, 2010 at 10:30 am

    BA writers make less than scouts. Keith wouldn’t be a scout. He would work as an asst GM in a front office in MLB.

    The pay is roughly similar, depending on the market, but the work schedule is much better at ESPN.

  84. Betsy - Hughes rules (Pleading the Fifth) June 8th, 2010 at 10:31 am

    SJ, thanks!

  85. austinmac June 8th, 2010 at 10:31 am

    Reading up on Culver leads me to conclude he is an athletic kid who has a good attitude and a work ethic. Unless you get one of the first few picks, that’s about as good as you can do. I think the Yankees have shown in the past year or more they look very hard at the person. See for example: Sabathia, Granderson, Vasquez. How will Culver do? He will top out somewhere betwenn Hall of Fame and low class A. Only time will tell just like for about all the kids picked.

    I was thinking about the Bush kid the Padres picked first a few years ago. He was a can’t miss shortstop. He got in trouble, couldn’t hit and was converted to a pitcher. You just never know.

    In short, wait, hope and rely upon the fact many Yankee scouts watched this kid and thought highly of him. It just may be they have more insight into his ability than we do.

  86. Patrick June 8th, 2010 at 10:33 am

    SJ44,

    I know what his velocity is, I’ve read the same stuff you have. I’m glad you got to see him throw, that sounds encouraging. But the fact remains, he was drafted so high and given so much money because of his high end stuff. I’m not saying 93-94 is bad but sitting at 97 and touching 100 is what he used to be and that’s spectacular.

    I am hopeful he makes it but as others have said, he’s old for the league and he’s only had a handful of “good” starts. If he moves up to AA soon and does well I’ll be more optimistic but as it is right now I can’t help but be down on him.

  87. Aaron June 8th, 2010 at 10:33 am

    hate to brake this to you, but the Sox last 5 drafts haven?t exactly lit the world on fire…

    Again, I’m not a Red Sox fan, nor do I wish to be lumped into a trollish regime as you’d like to.

    But, if you want to believe it or not, in recent years, the Red Sox have drafted Pedroia, Ellsbury, Bard, Papelbon, Lester, Buchholz, Kelley, Youkilis, and some that I’m sure I don’t know about.
    Those guys are all contributing to their club right now, so to a point, and only in a draft sense, they have taken their busts with a dose of great picks as well.
    I do realize that Youkilis and couple of those other guys were not in the last four years, but the overall point I’m asking remains true. The Red Sox have drafted (DRAFTED) a good core of young guys that are shining now, to which the Yankees have answered with Hughes (a great answer, by the way, but being outpitched by Buchholz to date).
    I prefaced with a “I’m not trying to start an argument”, but rather, this is something that pisses me off. I guess I’m just alone on that.

  88. Billy D June 8th, 2010 at 10:35 am

    “to which the Yankees have answered with Hughes (a great answer, by the way, but being outpitched by Buchholz to date).”

    In what way has Buchholz outpitched Hughes?

  89. Aaron June 8th, 2010 at 10:36 am

    And from a shear, right now talent, they did well last night as well, with three picks that are all better than NY’s one. Why?
    Reading through the thread last night, it’s clear to me that people had issues with it, but I guess I’m the only one who thinks it has to do with the fact that the Red Sox did well while we, seemingly, didn’t do what we should have.
    And lets be honest here, this kid isn’t going to be the SS in the Bronx. He needs to perform well at the minor leagues. That’s it.

  90. hardwired June 8th, 2010 at 10:36 am

    I could understand the uproar if the Yanks had chosen Culver w/a top 10 pick, but you can’t get too worked-up over the 32nd pick.

    Now they don’t have to overpay or give a major league contract to one of Boras’ clients, and they have a kid who wants nothing more in the world than to play for them.

  91. Patrick June 8th, 2010 at 10:38 am

    Aaron, if you want to compare home grown talent between the two squads, fine. But do it right. The yanks have not answered with JUST Hughes. What about Joba, Robertson, Gardner, Jackson, Kennedy? Those guys are helping the team or have been traded for good players. Then we could get into the international market where the Yanks have gotten Cervelli, Cano, Aceves, Miranda

    And as you said, naming Youkilis is absurd. He was drafted almost 10 years ago. If you are including him then I’m including Pettitte and Jeter.

  92. Aaron June 8th, 2010 at 10:38 am

    In what way has Buchholz outpitched Hughes?

    As a starting pitcher? You can’t look up the numbers yourself? Hughes was very good in the pen, but to date this year, Clay’s numbers are just as good, if not better, in nearly every statistical category.
    I would take Hughes every day of the week, but I’m not going to ignore the year the Boston pitcher is having just because he plays in Boston.

  93. GreenBeret7 June 8th, 2010 at 10:40 am

    Like everyone else, I’ve never seen Culver, nor, had I ever heard of him, but, reading the reports since last night, He sounds like a younger version of Austin Jackson with the bat. Little power, great speed. He’ll start out at a middle infield, but, maybe he’ll end up in center field. It’ll be interesting to watch him this summer. Hopefully, he signs early and gets in games in the Rookie Gulf Coast League. He’ll be 1-2 years younger than everyone, but, that might not be a bad thing. It’ll be a nice story to see a kid pull himself up out of a bad family situation (father) and make something of himself.

  94. Aaron June 8th, 2010 at 10:40 am

    Fair point, Patrick. I guess what I’m saying is that I’m not including the guys they traded away, which in a way, does help the team. I was more concentrating on who they run out there on a nightly basis.
    And as far as the i-national market is concerned, I completely agree. This is the one erea I know very little about, and was more talking to the draft.

  95. Patrick June 8th, 2010 at 10:42 am

    Aaron are you comparing Hughes and Bucholz starting in their careers or just this year? Because if we are talking about this year, Hughes has been significantly better. Heck, even if we are talking about entire careers, Hughes has been the better starting pitcher.

  96. Wave Your Hat June 8th, 2010 at 10:42 am

    Had to go to a meeting, now I’m back to defend myself a little.

    First, my point had nothing to do with whether the Yanks IN FACT draft well or poorly. There were good reasons for the Cole and Brackman picks, and Brackman may yet work out.

    However, from the fans’ point of view, and as a matter of historical record, the Cole pick did not work out, and whether or not Brackman works out, the fact remains he is a 24 year old pitcher in Single A whose last year was not good and from most people’s point of view, remains a bust until proven otherwise. And while historically the Hughes and Kennedy picks turned out fine and better than fine, mostly the first round picks haven’t.

    So this is why a lot of fans weren’t prepared to give the Yanks the benefit of the doubt on Culver, and why I’m not sure the Yanks have in fact earned the benefit of the doubt.

    That said, I hope Culver works out, and certainly he could.

  97. Mike Rice June 8th, 2010 at 10:43 am

    Fair point Aaron.

  98. LGY June 8th, 2010 at 10:44 am

    Phil Hughes: 63.2 IP, 2.54 ERA, 1.05 WHIP, 64 Ks, .203 BAA, .266 OBP, .299 SLG

    Clay Bucholz: 71.2 IP, 2.39 ERA, 1.28 WHIP, 49 Ks, .241 BAA, .313 OBP, .322 SLG

  99. Betsy - Hughes rules (Pleading the Fifth) June 8th, 2010 at 10:45 am

    Aaron, Phil’s peripherals blow Buchholz’ away – and I think CB has pitched great.

  100. Aaron June 8th, 2010 at 10:45 am

    What about Joba, Robertson, Gardner, Jackson, Kennedy?

    To this point, I say that Joba hasn’t been the same since his first month in the league, through no fault of his own at all.

    Gardner is Melky. He’s the benefit of being the easiest attack point in a very good lineup, but if he leaves here (hello Melky), he’s a fourth outfielder on a decent team. You and I both know it – his speed on the bases keeps him in the game. Plus, you know, I need more than a month. Robertson is hit or miss – as are most young relievers.

    Listen, all I know is that the Sox run out Lester, Buchholz, Pedroia, Youkilis, Bard and Papelbon every single night on the cheap, and they’re all good, and they all came in a draft and are locked up for years on the cheap (excluding Papelbon, who Bard is suprememly talented to in comparison anyhow)

    Sorry to ruffle feathers. I was just asking if it pisses anyone else off. That’s all.

  101. Billy D June 8th, 2010 at 10:45 am

    “but to date this year, Clay’s numbers are just as good, if not better, in nearly every statistical category”

    We’ll agree to disagree. Hughes has better walk and strikeout rates. He’s allowed fewer hits per 9 innings and and lower batting average and OPS against.

    I think both guys have been terrific, but there is no logical or statistical argument that supports that Buchholtz has outpitched Hughes..

  102. LGY June 8th, 2010 at 10:46 am

    And Phil is 2 years younger.

  103. Betsy - Hughes rules (Pleading the Fifth) June 8th, 2010 at 10:46 am

    Patrick, as Sam Kinison said in Back to School, Good Answer, Good Answer!

  104. GreenBeret7 June 8th, 2010 at 10:46 am

    What good is it to have a pitcher that can throw 97-199 MPH if the smallest target he can hit is the backstop?

  105. MTU(aka GBURL) June 8th, 2010 at 10:46 am

    GB-

    That’s the new normal around Yankeeland.

    Grab the kid with the somewhat troubled background.

    Joba, Heathcott, and now Culver.

    That and TJ guys.

    Makes for an interesting mix don’t you think. :)

    Doesn’t matter anyways the Yankees have the resources to overcome mistakes when they are made. And you are so right about their forays into the IFA market.

  106. CountryClub June 8th, 2010 at 10:47 am

    Aaron,

    I had a feeling you were going to list those names when i read your first post. The problem with those players is that most of them were drafted much longer than 5 yrs ago.

    Someone already mentioned all the recent homegrown Yanks to come through the system, so i wont rehash the names (although I’ll add Wang to the list). That was my point though, the teams have been fairly even with producing players recently. It’s not as one sided as some people seem to think.

  107. SJ44 June 8th, 2010 at 10:49 am

    Gardner is starting on a team that has the second best record in baseball. That’s not a “good” team?

    He is among the league leaders in batting, runs scored and SB’s.

    So much for your theory he is a “4th OF”.

    Your talent evalutation skills are a bit lacking.

  108. Betsy - Hughes rules (Pleading the Fifth) June 8th, 2010 at 10:49 am

    Speaking of Phil, if anyone doubts Eiland (well, I know they do, but I don’t get it), listen to this.

    http://espn.go.com/new-york/ra.....id=5086370

  109. Patrick June 8th, 2010 at 10:49 am

    Aaron, stop trolling

  110. GreenBeret7 June 8th, 2010 at 10:49 am

    ***100*** MPH

  111. Wave Your Hat June 8th, 2010 at 10:51 am

    “Doesn’t matter anyways the Yankees have the resources to overcome mistakes when they are made.”

    I think as time goes by the Yanks’ relative advantage in this regard will shrink. The Yanks appear to be close to their budget limits, they are going to have to hand big contracts to Jeter and Mo, the revenue of other teams is increasing and teams are locking up their young talent for long periods before that talent reaches free agency.

    Doing well in the draft is going to become more and more important in terms of long-term competitiveness.

  112. CountryClub June 8th, 2010 at 10:51 am

    Sorry to ruffle feathers. I was just asking if it pisses anyone else off. That’s all.

    —————–

    It doesnt piss me off that the Sox have homegrown talent. good for them. To be honest, I care very little about the Sox. I’ve said on this board many times before that too many fans care more about Boston losing than they do the Yanks winning.

  113. G. Love June 8th, 2010 at 10:51 am

    Wave,

    Great analysis on the fan reaction. I couldn’t have said it better myself.

  114. Wave Your Hat June 8th, 2010 at 10:52 am

    Thanks, GLove.

    How was the squid?

  115. YankeeRay June 8th, 2010 at 10:53 am

    Aaron, now that you mentioned Melky you have to count him too. He helped bring Vasquez here along with another prospect that we gave up so chalk up 2 more that we drafted and contributed to this team.
    Javy will end up having a good year and without our 2 prospects we don’t have him.
    We also have what looks like a stable of young catchers waiting to develop so I’m not so sure thatthe Sox have done that much better.
    I would take Hughes over Clay any day.

  116. Patrick June 8th, 2010 at 10:54 am

    What good is it to have a pitcher that can throw 97-199 MPH if the smallest target he can hit is the backstop?

    No good, obviously. But the point is that if Brackman can’t throw that hard with control then he shouldn’t have been drafted so high and given so much money and a major league contract. Lets go over it again, as of now he’s really old for his league (like 3+ years too old), his stuff is good but not great and he’s only shown limited success thus far.

    Get back to me when he’s dominating AA. Until then I don’t care what he does

  117. G. Love June 8th, 2010 at 10:54 am

    We didn’t get the squid. The fish market near my house I went to was sold out by Saturday morning! Very disappointed.

  118. LGY June 8th, 2010 at 10:54 am

    How is Gardner a 4th OF, but Jacoby Ellsbury is some homegrown star?

    Ellsbury had a nice year last year: .301/.355/.415 with 70 SB.

    But, Gardner so far this year is on pace to be better: .311/.393/.421 with 20 SB.

    And Gardner is only a month older than Ellsbury. If Gardner keeps this up at the end of the season you could say that Gardner is the better homegrown player.

    Gardner is out OPSing Jacoby’s last year by 44 points right now.

    Not to mention, Ellsbury got bumped off CF. Not exactly a sterling approval of his defense.

  119. Wave Your Hat June 8th, 2010 at 10:55 am

    GLOve-

    Oh well, next time.

  120. ac1 June 8th, 2010 at 10:56 am

    Gardner is starting on a team that has the second best record in baseball. That’s not a “good” team?
    He is among the league leaders in batting, runs scored and SB’s.
    So much for your theory he is a “4th OF”.
    Your talent evalutation skills are a bit lacking.

    __

    Agree 100%. Even the Sox could use him in LF right now. 2nd best record and leading in hitting, and he is a starter. I think most teams would be willing to have him starting in CF, much less LF. (And i was a melky fan)…

    Sox have some good picks, so do the yankees. The Yankees also traded away drafted ‘contributors” like Jackson and Coke.

  121. MTU(aka GBURL) June 8th, 2010 at 10:56 am

    WYH-

    I wasn’t try to say that doing well in the draft is irrevelevant just that the Yankees have a greater degree of freedom to err and can overcome mistakes easier than most clubs.

    I don’t see that advantage going away as quickly as you might. Their financial position is very strong, and likely to stay strong for the forseeable future.

    What Yankee fan wouldn’t want them to do as well as possible though ?

  122. SJ44 June 8th, 2010 at 10:56 am

    That’s just it though. The Yankees have done well in the draft and with IFA signings the last four years.

    Look at how many homegrown guys contributed last year and look at some of the talent in the system now.

    Why not wait until the entire draft is complete before assigning blame or praise this year?

  123. pat June 8th, 2010 at 10:56 am

    “What good is it to have a pitcher that can throw 97-199 MPH if the smallest target he can hit is the backstop?”

    Guys dig the radar gun seems like the 2010 equivalent of chicks dig the long ball.

    I would have thought a season watching KyleFarnsworth pitch would have cured many of that affliction.

  124. Wave Your Hat June 8th, 2010 at 10:58 am

    “Why not wait until the entire draft is complete before assigning blame or praise this year?”

    Can’t argue with that.

  125. G. Love June 8th, 2010 at 10:59 am

    Listen, you can’t compare the Yankee draft to the Red Sox. The Red Sox had 3 picks last night and we had 1.

    Where the Red Sox have an advantage over us is the type A guys they offer arbitration to always leave netting them picks. They leave because Boston beats their players down and won’t pay them on the open market.

    We don’t have that luxury. Guys want to play here and Matsui, Abreu and Damon would have most certainly accepted arbitration here just to stay here another year at a high salary.

    Then in the case of guys like Posada, Jeter, Mo, etc., we don’t want to lose them to free agency so we kept resigning them. The one year we let Andy go, we turned that pick into Phil Hughes which was pretty impressive.

    The only way Cashman can turn his outgoing free agents into picks is to offer them arbitration and in most cases Yankees are so well paid they’ll take the arbitration decision for a year since their guaranteed money in that year is sometimes worth more than the multi-year money they could get on the open market.

  126. MTU(aka GBURL) June 8th, 2010 at 10:59 am

    G. Love-

    How did the Bocce go ?

    Please be complete when you answer people’s questions. :)

  127. Wave Your Hat June 8th, 2010 at 11:00 am

    MTU-

    I wasn’t saying that the Yanks wouldn’t remain financially strong, just speculating that the gap between the Yanks’ ability to sign expensive players and other teams’ ability to do the same is likely to decrease, perhaps significantly, and there seems to be a trend toward less talent being available on the free agent market.

  128. Wave Your Hat June 8th, 2010 at 11:02 am

    I know there’s a strong argument Abreu would have accepted arbitration, and presumably Matsui would have, but I still don’t think Damon would have.

  129. JG21 June 8th, 2010 at 11:02 am

    Just a quick point, why do people keep referring to Kennedy as a good pick? I think he was/is a huge bust. Yes, I guess he got us Granderson, and don’t get me wrong, I am a big fan of Granderson. But let’s just wait a bit and see what Granderson does for the Yankees first.

    And I would wager to say that Kennedy was merely a throw in and Jackson was the main reason we got Granderson. So I don’t get why people on here are making it sound like Kennedy was the KEY to a Granderson deal.

    Also, I am not a fan of speculating which is a better job (scout or BA employee) based on salary. Some people make life decisions on factors that do not include salary. There are variables such as schedule, family, etc. So it is foolish to make comments like that. Salary may be important to you, but not me, you know?

    Back to the point. I am on the side that it is very hard to judge right now how the pick will turn out, but surely, I am not going to give the Yankees the benefit of the doubt. They have been bad at drafting…fact. The only good picks came from guys that everyone knew were talented but dropped due to contract/signability issues. I’m not giving them credit for that.

    Lastly (and sorry for the long post), let’s not mix World Series wins with drafting. It is completely invalid to say, “They won 5 World Series, so how bad can they be doing at drafting?” The two are completely different. You can be the worst drafting team ever and still win by adding players via trade, free agency, international signings, etc.

  130. GreenBeret7 June 8th, 2010 at 11:02 am

    MTU, I don’t care how a kid/ball player does or behaves before, only how he plays and behaves after he becomes a Yankee.

    Two really good ball players came out of Michigan State Pen…Gates Brown and Ron LaFleur. They turned out to be solid citizens. Culver can’t be blamed for what his father did any more than Orlando Hernandez is to blame for what his brother did.

  131. rj June 8th, 2010 at 11:03 am

    SJ44 June 8th, 2010 at 10:13 am
    Its inaccurate to say Andrew Brackman is a bust. Fact is, he’s been one of the best pitchers in the FSL for the past month. He’s throwing the ball the way he did prior to getting hurt

    ===========================================================

    SJ, I’m sure you know that people will just continue to spout months-old garbage – like Brackman has no command, Brackman is struggling – just because that’s what they heard or read months ago. You need to grab them by collar and shove their face in it until they see the truth.

    Last 6 starts, Brackman is 4-0, 2.16 with a 5:1 K/BB ratio. Gotta love that. If he keeps it up he will zoom a la Joba and like you said, we may see him next year.

  132. RayVT June 8th, 2010 at 11:03 am

    Have you ever wondered how BA or ESPN get their analysis of player talents? LOL! They get almost all of it via word of mouth from scouts. The talking heads don’t even see these players play. Even the writers who do the research don’t see them. SO how are they better informed? The mouth that does college rakings for the NFL draft said he never even saw a HS game of any of the recruits or a college game to watch a particular player.

    We at LoHud could start our own recruit/player rankings & sell a publication and do as well. It isn’ t a science. Scouting is a science. Multiple Scouts collect data of each prospect they watch. Usually they see the same people 100′s of times. They compare notes and the data from family history to a player’s coaches reports to size, speed, maturity, weight, strength etc is all recorded. Intangibles too.

    I have had scouts ask me over the years about certain players and their questions were detailed.

  133. Wellington77 June 8th, 2010 at 11:04 am

    With all due respect to you Aaron, the Yankees have responded to the Red Sox young core with more than Hughes. We also Cano, Joba, Gardner, Nate Robertson, and Aceves.

    And BTW, Hughes is not being outpitched by Buchholz to date. Hughes has a lower WHIP, better K/9, better K/BB and a significantly lower FIP. Yes, Clay has one more win (and two more losses) and a slightly lower ERA, but when you delve a little deeper into the numbers, Hughes has been the superior pitcher.

  134. G. Love June 8th, 2010 at 11:06 am

    MTU,

    At first, my dog thwarted the bocce game. He was like a young Deion Sanders. I don’t think a ball got 10 feet before he grabbed it and made us chase after him to get it back.

    Eventually, he got tired and we put him on the leash the game went very well.

  135. Wave Your Hat June 8th, 2010 at 11:07 am

    rj-

    Brackman is a man pitching to kids right now. Let’s wait and see how he does in AA before we pencil him into the Yanks’ pitching staff.

  136. Doreen - GTLU Stuff & Photos June 8th, 2010 at 11:07 am

    Maybe I’m missing something, but the Yankees field a contending team every year (yes, even in 2008). By doing so, they get “punished” with late draft picks, so they never really have the opportunity to draft the next best thing to sliced bread. It seems to me they have to work harder to find the “diamond in the rough” that they will be able to sign and develop. As someone else said, unless you’re picking in the top 10 (and even then there’s no guarantees), what does it really matter? Kids are assigned a number because there’s a list. There may be 100 kids in a row who are non-distinguishable, but someone will assign those numbers 11-111, and even though 111 is as good as 11, he will be disparaged because he was arbitrarity given number 111 on that list for expediency’s sake.

    The other thing is, the Yankees are a winning team. And in the last several years one of things that has contributed to their winning is being able to dip into their minor league system for supporting players. Now, maybe these guys won’t be superstars, but they are valuable and do perform a great service to the Yankees. I think far too much emphasis is given to the possible future superstar player – they are too few and far between. If you get one, wow! But if you get a bunch of Melkys, Bretts, Robertsons, Penas, Jacksons, whatever – that’s rich for your team.

    And every team that doesn’t get the first 10 picks or so is in the same boat.

    You don’t draft baseball players to strictly build your major league team in a “promotion-oriented” way.

    You buy a lot of spaghetti, you throw it at the wall, and if you’re lucky, something will stick. Now, if you’re a good cook (player development-wise), perhaps more will stick than not stick.

  137. MTU(aka GBURL) June 8th, 2010 at 11:09 am

    GB-

    Perhaps I didn’t make myself clear. I wasn’t trying to knock them. I was just noting it.

    Kind of a poor joke I guess.

    I’m with you 100%. There is nothing I like better than to see someone overcome things that were basically out of their control.

    I believe in what you do and not what you were born into, or even what you think. People think all sorts of crazy things but fortunately they usually don’t act on them.

    Actions speak. The rest is noise.

  138. SJ44 June 8th, 2010 at 11:09 am

    Given the offers Damon had on the open market, if he accepted arbitration, his number would have been 14-15 million.

    I think he would have accepted arbitration in a heartbeat.

    Excellent post by glove explaining the realties of the arbitration issue.

  139. Joe from Long Island June 8th, 2010 at 11:10 am

    Looks like some trolling is now starting to go on in the morning as well.

  140. JG21 June 8th, 2010 at 11:12 am

    Wellington77: Cano and Aceves were not drafted. They were signed internationally. So they are 100% irrelevant to this discussion and actually go to proving your point invaild (with all due respect).

  141. Wave Your Hat June 8th, 2010 at 11:12 am

    “Given the offers Damon had on the open market, if he accepted arbitration, his number would have been 14-15 million.

    I think he would have accepted arbitration in a heartbeat. ”

    Within the time period of the arbitration election, I don’t think Damon was prepared to accept a one year deal. JMO.

  142. GreenBeret7 June 8th, 2010 at 11:12 am

    pat June 8th, 2010 at 10:56 am
    “What good is it to have a pitcher that can throw 97-199 MPH if the smallest target he can hit is the backstop?”

    Guys dig the radar gun seems like the 2010 equivalent of chicks dig the long ball.

    I would have thought a season watching KyleFarnsworth pitch would have cured many of that affliction.

    ———————————————————————————————————————-

    Exactly, pat. It took Sandy Koufax 6 long years to figure out that just because he threw 98-100 MPH it wasn’t getting him anywhere. Nolan Ryan was 31 or 32 before he had a full season without walking 100 batters a year. Randy Johnson was 30, though he did have 60 wins by that time. Pretty numbers are pretty for the fans, but, like you said…they got pretty sick of Farnsworth in about 2 months. I suspect the same is true with Chamberlain. He still whine about him not hitting 199 MPH, but, when he tries, he has no control. He’ll still end up being a top pitcher in the rotation or bullpen.

  143. rj June 8th, 2010 at 11:12 am

    Fair enough wait & see for Brackman, but his stuff if he’s able to command will translate to the majors. It’s not if he’s got the stuff, it’s can he keep it under control, not whether he’s good enough to get major league hitters out. That’s why people, not just me, are saying if he can keep up his recent performance he’ll ascend quickly through the minors.

  144. MTU(aka GBURL) June 8th, 2010 at 11:13 am

    Joe-

    “Looks like some trolling is now starting to go on in the morning as well.”

    Break out that kit ! :)

  145. GreenBeret7 June 8th, 2010 at 11:13 am

    ***100 MPH***

  146. m June 8th, 2010 at 11:14 am

    Betsy,

    Couple of things. “Slow the game down” is Derrick Jeter’s trademark quality. Whenever he’s asked about his seemingly charmed ability to come through with the big hit, his response is always along the lines of “The game seems to slow down.” It’s a rare quality. So rare, there’s no sabermetric measurement. ;)

    As for the condescension. If you’re feeling it, go back and read how many times you wrote basically the same thing. And total up the “ughs, icks, and yucks.” You’ll see why your comments amongst others have gotten people’s attention. :)

  147. GreenBeret7 June 8th, 2010 at 11:14 am

    MTU, I didn’t take it any other way than what you said…..just expanding it.

  148. Billy D June 8th, 2010 at 11:15 am

    “Their financial position is very strong, and likely to stay strong for the forseeable future.”

    The team is 95% leveraged right now, with the huge Stadium debt. This does NOT include their stake in YES, but still, it’s a lot of debt and could have some impact on how they do business. To some degree, it already has.

  149. Erin June 8th, 2010 at 11:16 am

    KenDavidoff Robinson Cano is on my train. Apparently, even HE doesn’t want to miss Strasburg. #Yankees #Orioles

    *****************************
    Wow, do I wish I was on that train. :)

  150. jw June 8th, 2010 at 11:17 am

    Can someone please explain to me why teams go for the safer pick in the first round and gun for the ‘high-risk high-reward’ ones in the subsequent rounds?

  151. David in Cal June 8th, 2010 at 11:18 am

    Culver’s legs gave out when he heard he was drafted. So, on top of all his other faults, this kid has weak legs… ;)

  152. Bronx Born June 8th, 2010 at 11:19 am

    GB / MTU – Good news… the book is out!

    http://www.salmonpoetry.com/de.....#038;a=186

  153. Joe from Long Island June 8th, 2010 at 11:20 am

    MTU – Garlic for breakfast! :) :) :)

  154. m June 8th, 2010 at 11:21 am

    Personally, I’m glad the Yankees seemingly have a lot of conviction with this pick.

    A bird in the hand, is worth one at UCLA… :mad:

  155. MTU(aka GBURL) June 8th, 2010 at 11:21 am

    Billy D-

    I was talking in relative terms compared with most teams.

    No doubt Hal has tightened the purse strings but that is probably a good thing.

    I haven’t checked the attendance figures but I would bet they continue on a strong pace, and as you pointed out that does not even include their other revenue streams which are considerable.

    I think any way you slice it the Yankees are and will continue to be the big dog.

    That’s just my take. you may actually know more about the Yankees financial liabilities, etc. than I do. :)

  156. GreenBeret7 June 8th, 2010 at 11:23 am

    Bronx, that’s great news. Do you know what outlets are handling the book?Amazon, Barnes And Noble, B. Daulton?

    And congratulations to the new literary giant of Lohud.

  157. MTU(aka GBURL) June 8th, 2010 at 11:25 am

    Bronx-

    Congratulations and much success ! Thanks for sharing the advanced copy. Good luck on the next.

    You suck a lot less than I do.

    Careful or you’ll wind up achieving Sainthood. :)

  158. Billy D June 8th, 2010 at 11:25 am

    “That’s just my take. you may actually know more about the Yankees financial liabilities, etc. than I do.”

    Only what I read in Forbes.

  159. Joe from Long Island June 8th, 2010 at 11:26 am

    NY Times, a couple weeks ago, had a story about declining attendance figures this season. The exception was the Yankees at the Stadium, where attendance was holding steady compared to 2009.

  160. Joe from Long Island June 8th, 2010 at 11:28 am

    Bronx Born – is that you? Congratulations on being published!

  161. MTU(aka GBURL) June 8th, 2010 at 11:28 am

    Joe-

    The evil forces of plaque in your CA’s are going to have to wave the white flag of surrender soon, and besides it repels trolls and Warewolves.

    That’s an added bonus. :)

  162. Bronx Born June 8th, 2010 at 11:28 am

    Awwww MTU, bet you say that to all your favorite poets…. :)

  163. MTU(aka GBURL) June 8th, 2010 at 11:31 am

    Billy D-

    I can think of a few publications that I would grab ahead of Forbes but hey that’s just me ? :)

  164. CB June 8th, 2010 at 11:32 am

    “What does it mean to slow the game down?”

    Go back and re-read or re-listen to some of the interviews that Hughes, Joba and Kennedy would give after their games.

    One of the single most common things they would say about the obstacles they needed to overcome was “slowing the game down.” They said that over and over and over. It’s a particular issue for pitchers but it’s true at large.

    The speed of the professional game – the speed at which plays are executed or blown – especially at the major league levels is so fast that players often talk about getting caught up in a rush when they take the field rather than just going out and playing the game.

    When a guy like Oppenheimer says that a prospect “slows the game down” it’s something to take note of. It’s very high praise and a kind of thing infrequently said about prospects.

  165. Erica in NY June 8th, 2010 at 11:32 am

    New thread :arrow:

    Oppenheimer speaks

  166. Erin June 8th, 2010 at 11:32 am

    New Post: Oppenheimer speaks about Cito Culver

  167. MTU(aka GBURL) June 8th, 2010 at 11:36 am

    Bronx-

    What you are doing is much more important than anything I am doing.

    The praise is well deserved.

    But just remember it’s easy to fall back into enduring suck. it’s a very fine line as I am sure you know. :)

  168. CB June 8th, 2010 at 11:36 am

    “I strongly urge everyone to read Nick in SF’s post from early this morning (late last night for him perhaps?).

    Link: http://yankees.lhblogs.com/201…..nt-1396714″

    That has to be one of the best Nick posts of all time. Also, perhaps the longest. The maestro was clearly able to slow the blog down to sharpen his pen and practice his artistry.

    Only Nick could seamlessly integrate references to Otis Redding and Margaret Wise Brown into a post on a yankees blog…

  169. RayVT June 8th, 2010 at 11:42 am

    Ian Kennedy isn’t a bust:
    He is a SP for Az which is a weak team, but is doing well in spite of it.

    IP W-L SV ERA Ks BB
    75.1 3-3 0 3.46 65 25

    He is young & is still developing. He had a major setback in the aneurism and NY City as well.

  170. Ed June 8th, 2010 at 12:07 pm

    SJ is a no nothing. He reads some ESPN and he has a few thinking he’s some expert.

  171. vblade June 8th, 2010 at 12:16 pm

    The mass hysteria around her last night was worse than the game threads.

    If Baseball America asked these morons to jump off a bridge, they probably would. Ridiculous.

    The Yankees have seen this kid more than any other team except maybe the Twins. I’d wager they know things an armchair scout doesn’t.

  172. John_Halfz June 8th, 2010 at 1:26 pm

    To the commenter who suggests that Clay Buchholz has “outpitched” Phil Hughes: incorrect

    K/9 Hughes: 9.05 Buchholz 6.53
    BB/9 Hughes: 2.83 Buchholz 3.55
    HR/9 Hughes: 0.54 Buchholz 0.35
    FIP Hughes: 2.85 Buchholz 3.49
    WHIP Hughes: 1.05 Buchholz 1.28
    WPA Hughes: 1.92 Buchholz 1.35

  173. John_Halfz June 8th, 2010 at 1:32 pm

    Aaron:

    Youkilis is no longer cost controlled: $9.375 M
    Papelbon is not a very good closer, and is no longer cost controlled: $9.375
    Pedroia is a great player, about a year behind Cano on the pay/career curve. He’s hitting .256 right now, though, and if he keeps doing that, I have no problem with his $3.75 M salary

  174. BIG AL June 8th, 2010 at 4:27 pm

    Patrick June 8th, 2010 at 10:23 am
    BIG AL,

    Actually nowadays high school players are better investments in the draft

    ________________ _____________________ ______________

    Patrick, How do you come to that conclusion? Other than most HS players might be less costly to sign, being able to judge a college player for 2-4 extra years, before signing him, allows the draft team time to accumulate a lot more data as to growth in talent etc. I know Phil Hughes is more of an exception, than the rule type player, he’s that good. Were you speaking to the financial side of the business?

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