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What the Yankees see in Cito Culver

Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Misc on Jun 08, 2010 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

Granted, you wouldn’t expect Damon Oppenheimer to say bad things about his first-round draft pick, but the Yankees put their money where their mouth is by drafting Cito Culver with the 32nd pick last night. It’s clear they believe in this kid, and they’ve seen him enough to have a pretty informed opinion. Among the scouts sent to watch Culver was Bill Livesey, who was the Yankees scouting director the year Derek Jeter was drafted.

In the words of Oppenheimer, here’s a quick scouting report on the latest Yankees prospect.

BAT: “Switch hitter. We like him from both sides of the plate. An above average hitter. He has pop in his bat, even with wood. It’s high school, but he’s hitting the ball over the fence in center field with a heavier wood bat than most of these kids we see using. The kid only struck out twice. We saw him all summer against the better stuff, guys throwing hard, and he squared the ball up well during that time so we think he’s going to hit. We think there’s a chance for power too.”

GLOVE: “You always keep your mind open, but his tools and his ability were what attracted us as a shortstop. You never know how long it will take for a guy to get there, and what’s in front of him when he does get there, but I think the fact that he’s in the middle of the field right now, we project him to be a shortstop. Worst-case scenario, if somebody was there blocking his way, you’re talking about a switch hitter that can run and do some other things, it would allow him (to change positions) if you need to.”

ARM: “He has a great arm. He’s up to 95 on the mound, but the idea of being able to get a switch-hitting shortstop is more attractive right now than a thrower, which is really what he is as a pitcher.”

MAKEUP: “He’s a no-nonsense kid. He’s a yes sir, no sir kid. He’s very solid. He’s not going to come out and be real emotional one way or the other. He’s a very solid kid who’s really passionate toward baseball. He’s a good person. We feel he’s a high-character kid. We watched him play real hard, so we felt real good about his makeup.”

SIGNABILITY: “He really wants to be a Yankee. I think that we’re going to get him. We should get him signed and get him out playing really soon. This guy really has a passion to make it through the minor leagues and play in New York.”

 
 

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367 Responses to “What the Yankees see in Cito Culver”

  1. vblade June 8th, 2010 at 12:29 pm

    The Yankees don’t owe the fans anything with regards to revealing their scouting plans and techniques, and how they run the draft.

    That’s just entitlement talk. The fans already have enough whining going on with the big league team.

    Back to your regularly scheduled Joba to the starting rotation debate!

  2. blake June 8th, 2010 at 12:30 pm

    That all sounds good.

  3. CR9 June 8th, 2010 at 12:31 pm

    Tyler
    Yes! Cristiano – Great athlete, great family man, superb physique, stunningly gorgeous looks. Top 10 in hottest men in the world!

  4. Erin June 8th, 2010 at 12:33 pm

    Sounds good to me. :)

  5. Tyler June 8th, 2010 at 12:34 pm

    CR-

    I agree about the athlete lol but great family man? I always thought he was like a womanizer lol. But I guess when the opportunity is there take it.

  6. William Buckner June 8th, 2010 at 12:34 pm

    “YankeesWFAN Yanks VP Damon Oppenheimer just said he values “over 100 yrs of scouting experience” his staff has over BA & other publications rankings.”

    I’d rather they use a rounded approach. Use all information, stats and scouting.

    I will say this, scouts see what they want to see, sometimes things that aren’t there, and that can be dangerous.

  7. MTU (aka GBURL) June 8th, 2010 at 12:36 pm

    The Yankees spent a lot of time and resources scouting this kid as has been pointed out before. That speaks volumes.

    Will he turn out to be Angelini, Pena, Nunez who knows.

    The kid appears to be athletic enough that should the need arise he may be able to change positions.

    And they will have no trouble signing him.

    He is just one brick in the wall. More to come. :)

  8. Joe from Long Island June 8th, 2010 at 12:36 pm

    Chad – Thanks for the update on Culver, and the draft process that the Yankees employed. Very interesting.

    Marc Carig, in the Star Ledger, had an interesting analysis of Tex’ hitting woes this year. Having watched a lot of the games, he certainly has seemed to have hit a lot of at-em balls. Some of that’s due to more teams using the shift on him. I wonder if he’d at all consider even an occasional stroke to left to have them let up on that nonsense.

  9. Betsy - Hughes rules (Pleading the Fifth) June 8th, 2010 at 12:36 pm

    Thanks, Chad.

    I have to stay away from other boards. The Sox just drafted another guy, Workman, that apparently ranks very highly and now they are being praised to high heaven as being so much smarter and better than the Yankees. One poster I like actually suggested the Yankees are making these positive comments to make Yankee fans feel better and that they don’t really believe in their pick. Oy vey.

  10. CR9 June 8th, 2010 at 12:36 pm

    Tyler
    Womanizer, indeed! But he spends a lot of quality time with his cousins/nephews, etc.

  11. Sacfly June 8th, 2010 at 12:37 pm

    Did any 1 pick AJ Cole yet? Just trying to catch up on draft thanx for the info.

  12. Billy D June 8th, 2010 at 12:37 pm

    DO doesn’t sound 100% on the glove at SS, but as he suggest, we are years from knowing.

  13. vblade June 8th, 2010 at 12:37 pm

    # William Buckner June 8th, 2010 at 12:34 pm

    “YankeesWFAN Yanks VP Damon Oppenheimer just said he values “over 100 yrs of scouting experience” his staff has over BA & other publications rankings.”

    I’d rather they use a rounded approach. Use all information, stats and scouting.

    I will say this, scouts see what they want to see, sometimes things that aren’t there, and that can be dangerous.

    ——————–

    If they sent at least 5 or more trusted scouts there, and I believe they would have based on the amount of at-bats Oppenheimer said they saw him for, I think the bias issue would be less.

    Furthermore, they had the same guy who scouted Jeter in 1992 as one of those scouts who saw Culver play. That’s a good rep there.

  14. MTU (aka GBURL) June 8th, 2010 at 12:38 pm

    Buckner-

    Just because the scouting side was emphasized does not preclude the possibility that other forms of information were used.

    Actually, I would bet they were. :)

  15. Betsy - Hughes rules (Pleading the Fifth) June 8th, 2010 at 12:38 pm

    Sox seem to have made out like bandits……yes, I know they are all just kids, but they got a boatload of talent where we get 2 picks and one of them is the 82nd and last pick.

  16. CB June 8th, 2010 at 12:38 pm

    In a draft year where the overall talent level isn’t particularly good, it makes a lot of sense to take a kid that you feel you have better information on than most others.

    In a year like this one, it’s a very good way to bet on getting value with a late first round pick.

    This is the kind of draft where there are going to be a lot of surprised – both short term in who is and isn’t picked and long term with who pans out.

    That the yanks had a guy of Bill Livesey’s caliber and experience go and see the kid is only a good thing.

  17. RalphieD (OPPC I have Faith in Culver) June 8th, 2010 at 12:39 pm

    Cant way for Culver to hit the field

  18. upstate kate June 8th, 2010 at 12:39 pm

    Joe
    from what I saw, the extreme example of the shift on Tex was how the Rays played him…and it seemed like every time he hit right to them.

  19. CountryClub June 8th, 2010 at 12:40 pm

    William Buckner June 8th, 2010 at 12:34 pm
    “YankeesWFAN Yanks VP Damon Oppenheimer just said he values “over 100 yrs of scouting experience” his staff has over BA & other publications rankings.”

    I’d rather they use a rounded approach. Use all information, stats and scouting.

    I will say this, scouts see what they want to see, sometimes things that aren’t there, and that can be dangerous.

    ————————-

    Your not suggesting that the Yanks take the opinion of services like BA seriously, are you? Those services/sites are for fans. There’s not one team in baseball that uses info from groups like BA to form opinions on who they should draft or trade for.

  20. vblade June 8th, 2010 at 12:40 pm

    # Betsy – Hughes rules (Pleading the Fifth) June 8th, 2010 at 12:38 pm

    Sox seem to have made out like bandits……yes, I know they are all just kids, but they got a boatload of talent where we get 2 picks and one of them is the 82nd and last pick.

    ——————–

    Sox were said to “make out like bandits” in every draft the last 3 years. Yet none of these “can’t miss prospects” are even close to the bigs, or raking/dealing at AAA for that matter.

  21. blake June 8th, 2010 at 12:41 pm

    joe,
    Interesting take on Tex. I honestly don’t know if his LH swing would allow him to go the other way effectively even if he wanted to though.

  22. CountryClub June 8th, 2010 at 12:42 pm

    betsy,

    This is one of the worst drafts in recent memory. It’s the wrong draft for teams like the Sox and Angels to have so many high picks. That being said, they have a better chance of one of their many picks panning out.

  23. MTU (aka GBURL) June 8th, 2010 at 12:42 pm

    CB-

    Talent comes from surprising places sometimes.

    As you know there have been many great ballplayers who never even came close to being selected in the first round.

    Each draft is a body of work. It should not revolve around one pick. :)

  24. benfica356 June 8th, 2010 at 12:44 pm

    Yankees select CF Angelo Gumbs

  25. CR9 June 8th, 2010 at 12:44 pm

    Yankees get Angelo Gumbs CF

  26. LGY June 8th, 2010 at 12:44 pm

    Yanks take Angelo Gumbs. SS.

  27. Tyler June 8th, 2010 at 12:44 pm

    Huh. Another shortstop. Angelo Gumbs. Anybody got any information?

  28. vblade June 8th, 2010 at 12:45 pm

    Glad to see the Yankees getting some position players to restock. Jackson was the only one close to the bigs and he got dealt.

  29. CB June 8th, 2010 at 12:45 pm

    I’ve never heard of Angelo Gumbs!!! Horrible pick. And on top of that he sounds chewy. Fire cashman. The Red Sox are having a great draft and all Cashmoron does is flap his gums!!!!

  30. MTU (aka GBURL) June 8th, 2010 at 12:45 pm

    Angelo Gumbs ?

    What’s our next pick ?

    Tyrell Teeth. :)

  31. CountryClub June 8th, 2010 at 12:45 pm

    Yanks took another high school SS with their 2nd pick – Angelo Gumbs. Mike Axisa from RAB likes the pick (not that that means much…but a little instant analysis never hurts).

  32. vblade June 8th, 2010 at 12:45 pm

    I would expect to see some arms being drafted in the lower rounds of the draft, high risk high reward types of guys.

  33. Devon p June 8th, 2010 at 12:46 pm

    Just trying to justify a horrible pick with all of this. Culver was a 3rd rounder – at best.

  34. benfica356 June 8th, 2010 at 12:46 pm

    The Yankees are listing him as a CF though

  35. Wave Your Hat June 8th, 2010 at 12:46 pm

    Gumbs is an OF.

  36. Tyler June 8th, 2010 at 12:46 pm

    Gumbs is supposed to be one of the best athletes in the draft. I think he’s committed to USC but I bet the Yanks break that. I like the potential. The Yanks are getting some real athletes in teh system here.

  37. RalphieD (OPPC I have Faith in Culver) June 8th, 2010 at 12:47 pm

    yanks take big upside SS Angelo Gumbs from a HS in Cali…

  38. CR9 June 8th, 2010 at 12:47 pm

    LOL @ CB and MTU.

  39. RalphieD (OPPC I have Faith in Culver) June 8th, 2010 at 12:47 pm

    yea some debate whether hes a SS or CF

  40. CountryClub June 8th, 2010 at 12:47 pm

    CB June 8th, 2010 at 12:45 pm
    I’ve never heard of Angelo Gumbs!!! Horrible pick. And on top of that he sounds chewy. Fire cashman. The Red Sox are having a great draft and all Cashmoron does is flap his gums!!!!

    —————–

    Is this sarcasim? It has to be.

  41. benfica356 June 8th, 2010 at 12:49 pm

    royals selected mike antonio for all those who wanted him

  42. CountryClub June 8th, 2010 at 12:49 pm

    posted by RAB:

    Gumbs wears No. 21 in tribute to his idol, Roberto Clemente, and plays with the same energy and abandon, slashing at the ball, diving into bags, cutting loose with powerful throws and making spectacular plays in the field. Gumbs also hails from a school with a strong baseball legacy, and its major league alumni include the father-son tandem of Fred and Jason Kendall. Gumbs has spent most of his high school career at shortstop, but the 6-foot, 200-pounder’s future is in the outfield. His tools are impressive but not overwhelming. His 60-yard dash times were in the 6.75-6.85-second range in showcases last summer, and he zips down the line in about 4.15 seconds from the right side of the plate. His windmill delivery produces strong throws, and he has often made breathtaking catches on the scout ball and showcase circuit. At bat, Gumbs has improved immensely over the past year, working under the tutelage of professional coaches at MLB’s Urban Youth Academy in Compton, and he has terrific bat speed. He got off to a blazing start this spring, only to be slowed in late April by a sore right elbow and flu symptoms, which reduced him to DH duty. He has struggled with offspeed stuff and breaking pitches, and battles a tendency to pull off the ball. Gumbs has the ability to be an electrifying outfielder with five average to plus tools. He’s just 17, and the club that drafts him will need to be patient as he develops, but Gumbs could provide an enormous payoff.

  43. Patrick June 8th, 2010 at 12:49 pm

    Is this sarcasim? It has to be.

    No, Angelo Gumbs is horrible

  44. CB June 8th, 2010 at 12:49 pm

    For what it’s worth, Gumbs seems like a nice round 2 pick. He’s the kind of guy the yankees don’t have much of in their system.

    Interesting to see the yankees take two toolsy guys with their first two picks.

    The yankees love drafting up the middle guys if they are going to go the high school route.

    Who was the last high school player the yankees drafted relatively high who was not an up the middle player?

  45. vblade June 8th, 2010 at 12:49 pm

    # Devon p June 8th, 2010 at 12:46 pm

    Just trying to justify a horrible pick with all of this. Culver was a 3rd rounder – at best.

    ——————

    Unless you’ve seen the kid play, you’re just another BA-hugging idiot.

  46. Joe from Long Island June 8th, 2010 at 12:49 pm

    CB, you do have a sense for sarcasm that I’ve noted over the years. Not that that’s a bad thing…. ;)

  47. mick June 8th, 2010 at 12:50 pm

    Are the Yanks gonna take every SS available so that they might be ready 5 years from now when Jete’s new contract runs out?

  48. Warning Track Power June 8th, 2010 at 12:51 pm

    I don’t mean to rain on the parade, but I really could care less about these draft picks. No matter how high of a ceiling the kids have, there is no guarantee the player will reach his potential and no guarantee the player will reach the major leagues as a Yankee.

  49. vblade June 8th, 2010 at 12:51 pm

    # mick June 8th, 2010 at 12:50 pm

    Are the Yanks gonna take every SS available so that they might be ready 5 years from now when Jete’s new contract runs out?

    —————-

    I believe the Yankees sees the Gumb kid as an OF.

  50. pat June 8th, 2010 at 12:51 pm

    Pat M may have some info on Mr. Gumbs.

    http://baseballbeginnings.com/.....elo-gumbs/

  51. blake June 8th, 2010 at 12:51 pm

    To me it makes a lot of sense for the Yankees to stockpile players in the draft at positions where talent is scarce (C, Middle infield, CF, and starting pitching). There are more quality players at the other positions and the Yanks have the resources to fill those in via trade and free agency.

    Stockpile a bunch of pitching, catchers, middle infielders, and outfielders that can play CF and hope some of them stick.

  52. SJ44 June 8th, 2010 at 12:51 pm

    And you know this how Devon p? From your vast amount of scouting experience seeing these players? lol

    Another idiot enters the funhouse.

  53. upstate kate June 8th, 2010 at 12:51 pm

    either sarcasm or not the real CB!

  54. Patrick June 8th, 2010 at 12:51 pm

    Interesting to see the yankees take two toolsy guys with their first two picks.

    YEAH WELL CASHMAN IS A GIANT TOOL IF YOU ASK ME!! HE HAS NO CLU

    GET THIS GUMBY OUT OF HERE I’D RATHER HAVE POKEY

  55. vblade June 8th, 2010 at 12:52 pm

    # Warning Track Power June 8th, 2010 at 12:51 pm

    I don’t mean to rain on the parade, but I really could care less about these draft picks. No matter how high of a ceiling the kids have, there is no guarantee the player will reach his potential and no guarantee the player will reach the major leagues as a Yankee.

    ——————-

    Sure. But this is Step 1 for every prospective MLB player. There will be interest and deservedly so.

  56. vblade June 8th, 2010 at 12:52 pm

    # SJ44 June 8th, 2010 at 12:51 pm

    And you know this how Devon p? From your vast amount of scouting experience seeing these players? lol

    Another idiot enters the funhouse.

    —————-

    I call them AMH – Agents of Mass Hysteria.

  57. CountryClub June 8th, 2010 at 12:53 pm

    video of Gumbs:

    http://baseballbeginnings.com/.....mbs-video/

  58. rj June 8th, 2010 at 12:53 pm

    For those of you who are confused, Gumbs was a HS SS, but is projected to be and wants to be a CF.

  59. Mike C. June 8th, 2010 at 12:53 pm

    Culver sounds like somebody who has a similiar makeup to Jeter. I mean it makes perfet sense, he grew up a big Yankee and Jeter fan.

  60. Doreen - GTLU Stuff & Photos June 8th, 2010 at 12:53 pm

    Today’s Guess the Line Up is Open for Business

    Lineups will be accepted until 3 p.m. sharp. (I have to make another drive to White Plains today).

    Good luck! :)

  61. Patrick June 8th, 2010 at 12:54 pm

    Honestly though, unless the Yanks were picking in the top 10, I don’t care about the draft at all. I’ve never heard of anyone past the top 10 players in the draft so the picks don’t matter at all to me until they start playing in the minors.

  62. CR9 June 8th, 2010 at 12:54 pm

    Boy, these MLB.com guys are real a holes as well. They said the Red Sox were coming up next, but it was the Mets. I guess they are up the Red Sox ….. just like Gammo and everyone else. They have praised the Sox picks, while both of the Yanks picks “They were taken well ahead of where they could have been taken.”

  63. SJ44 June 8th, 2010 at 12:54 pm

    Yankees see Combs as an OF.

    They drafted two toolsy kids, both of whom aren’t yet 18.

    Sense a theme?

    They are trying to stock their farm system with the kind of players they don’t have in it at the present time.

    Seems to me that makes sense as a drafting strategy since they don’t need these kids in the majors in 2-3 years.

    They can take their time, develop them, and see if they pan out.

  64. CB June 8th, 2010 at 12:55 pm

    “Just trying to justify a horrible pick with all of this. Culver was a 3rd rounder – at best.”

    It’s really unfortunate to watch the MLB draft with all of it’s uncertainty get pegged into the ridiculous mel kiper driven, tailored for TV model that the NFL draft’s model has become.

    I think this may be the first MLB draft to really start turning into an NFL type draft. Between ridiculous fan reactions to an uninformed guy like Heyman declaring knee jerk “winners” on twitter this draft has a very different feeling to me.

  65. Betsy - Hughes rules (Pleading the Fifth) June 8th, 2010 at 12:56 pm

    This kid had better change numbers as Yankee fans won’t ever allow him to demean their memories of Paul O’Neill, lol

    Country, it’s frustrating to see the Sox with so many picks……

  66. stuckey June 8th, 2010 at 12:57 pm

    Betsy, I sometimes (and correct me if I’m wrong) that what happens on the field from 7 to 10pm is secondary to what is being said about the Yankees on the internet from 10pm to 7pm the next night.

    As if the good thing about the Yankees winning, making a good trade or drafting a good young player is the positive response it will garner on message boards and in the blogs and press.

    Who makes out better in this draft will take years to determine.

    I guess I just struggle with why you put so much emphasis on who is ahead in Internet perception.

    The Yankees inarguably the more successful franchise either long-term or now short-term, they’re more successful at this moment in time and frankly I like the Yankees prospects better over the next couple of years.

    Why does it matter than there are people on the internet who’d like to argue otherwise?

  67. Erica in NY June 8th, 2010 at 12:57 pm

    Jeter SS
    Swisher RF
    Tex 1B
    A-Rod 3B
    Cano 2B
    Posada DH
    Granderson CF
    Cervelli C
    GGBG LF

    Thanks Doreen :-)

  68. JK June 8th, 2010 at 12:58 pm

    1. Henry & Theo took over the Sox with Lester, Youkillis & H. Ramirez already in their system from the prior regime. They didn’t draft or sign those guys.

    2. The Redsox have been heralded as having a top 3 draft for the past 4 years, yet none of these guys develop at the AA or AAA level and the Yankees keep beating them in trades for players they want (marte, granderson, vazquez)

  69. Warning Track Power June 8th, 2010 at 12:59 pm

    Jeter-SS
    Swisher-RF
    Tex-1B
    ARod-3B
    Cano-2B
    Posada-DH
    Granderson-CF
    Cervelli-C
    Gardner-LF

  70. G. Love June 8th, 2010 at 1:00 pm

    CB,

    We’re watching the process of the MLB draft evolve into something it’s never been before. The league realizes there are TV ratings (and add dollars) to be gotten by sensationalizing this thing.

    The next step, and it’s coming, is going to be the trading of picks. Once that’s official the MLB draft will turn into the spectacle that the other league drafts are.

    I anticipate that they are going to allow the trading of picks pretty soon and then get ready for a ton of Theo trading draft picks stories and how shrewd he is at doing it and how he anticipated this day coming before other GM’s and has a huge advantage over his contemporaries.

  71. CountryClub June 8th, 2010 at 1:00 pm

    Betsy,

    it may be frustrating to see so many picks….but it’s a BAD draft. That doesnt mean there wont be stars that come out of it. But on the surface, the talent is way down.

  72. vblade June 8th, 2010 at 1:00 pm

    Doreen – GTLU Stuff & Photos June 8th, 2010 at 12:53 pm

    Today’s Guess the Line Up is Open for Business

    Lineups will be accepted until 3 p.m. sharp. (I have to make another drive to White Plains today).

    Good luck!

    —————————-

    SS Culver
    LF Crawford
    1B Teixeira
    2B Cano
    DH Montero
    3B A-Rod
    C Romine
    RF Gumb
    CF Gardner
    P Hughes

    Oh wait, that’s GTLU in 2016. My bad.

  73. Betsy - Hughes rules (Pleading the Fifth) June 8th, 2010 at 1:00 pm

    CB, even Frankie Piliiere gave out winners…….it’s natural to rank how the teams are thought to have done. No one is saying these rankings will be unchanged; in a year, maybe everyone will think the Yankees or other “losers” made out well. However, I’m not sure what is wrong with acknowledging the fact that the Sox and other teams drafted a lot of talent.

  74. MTU (aka GBURL) June 8th, 2010 at 1:00 pm

    Best name ever for a draftee.

    Stoneburner.

    and of course he’s a pitcher and throws the heat. :)

  75. Erica in NY June 8th, 2010 at 1:02 pm

    v-blade

    Small problem. Unless he is extended Tex’s final year is 2015.

    And I don’t think we should resign him unless he starts to live up to BOC (sorry, I couldn’t resist that one)

  76. CB June 8th, 2010 at 1:03 pm

    “To me it makes a lot of sense for the Yankees to stockpile players in the draft at positions where talent is scarce (C, Middle infield, CF, and starting pitching). There are more quality players at the other positions and the Yanks have the resources to fill those in via trade and free agency.”

    Blake-

    That’s part of it and it sounds like position was a factor with Culver. That said – as you well know – when a kid is 17, if he’s good chances are he’s going to be playing SS or perhaps CF just because of his raw talent and ability.

    When kids are that young and you’re picking them they are just going to tend to play up the middle because they are just better than anyone else on the team.

    It’s a selection bias issue.

    Just having seen Gumbs on video – he has a large frame and is a very big kid. He doesn’t look like a SS (though who knows). But he does look like a lot of high school SS one sees.

  77. Betsy - Hughes rules (Pleading the Fifth) June 8th, 2010 at 1:03 pm

    Stuckey, I don’t care what’s said on the internet- but I hate to see the Sox get so many picks and yes, it does annoy me that they got some high end talent.

  78. AlbanyYankee June 8th, 2010 at 1:03 pm

    Couldn’t GTLU entries be exchanged via e-mail?

  79. Joe from Long Island June 8th, 2010 at 1:03 pm

    Better get lots of garlic.

    Doreen – you seem to be doing an awful lot of driving lately.

    I think the Yankees, under Cash, are emphasizing strength up the middle – first the pitching; then came catching strength; now a couple SS and OF types, young athletic types as SJ indicated. If I was a betting man, I’d bet on them picking a few more middle IFs or CF types. As others have stated, corner IFs and OFs are a lot easier to come by. Not a bad organizational strategy.

  80. stuckey June 8th, 2010 at 1:04 pm

    “However, I’m not sure what is wrong with acknowledging the fact that the Sox and other teams drafted a lot of talent.”

    Nothing wrong with it Betsy, but nothing has changed in the last 24 hours. The Red Sox and Ray, etc, had all those picks secured for months. You’re reacting now to news that’s months old.

  81. NYY626 June 8th, 2010 at 1:04 pm

    Jetes – SS
    Swish – RF
    Tex – 1B
    Alex – 3B
    Cano – 2B
    Jorge – DH
    Grandy – CF
    Cisco – C
    GGBG – LF

    Thanks Doreen!

  82. rj June 8th, 2010 at 1:04 pm

    CB June 8th, 2010 at 12:55 pm
    “Just trying to justify a horrible pick with all of this. Culver was a 3rd rounder – at best.”

    It’s really unfortunate to watch the MLB draft with all of it’s uncertainty get pegged into the ridiculous mel kiper driven, tailored for TV model that the NFL draft’s model has become.

    I think this may be the first MLB draft to really start turning into an NFL type draft. Between ridiculous fan reactions to an uninformed guy like Heyman declaring knee jerk “winners” on twitter this draft has a very different feeling to me.

    ========================================================
    The question that comes to my mind is will teams start to rush these kids to the majors to justify all the hype?

  83. CR9 June 8th, 2010 at 1:05 pm

    http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/ho.....a-day.html

    LOL!

  84. Dassit June 8th, 2010 at 1:06 pm

    MTU, there’s a kid who got drafted today by the Cardinals in the 2nd round with the name Swagerty.

  85. upstate kate June 8th, 2010 at 1:07 pm

    GTLU:
    going w/ the current normal line up
    SS Jete
    RF Swish
    1B Tex
    3B Alex
    2B Robbie
    DH Po
    CF Curtis G
    C Cisco
    LF GGBG

    thanks Doreen

  86. mick June 8th, 2010 at 1:07 pm

    jete ss, swish rf,tex 1b,al 3b,rob 2b, po dh, grand cf, cerv c, gard lf

  87. blake June 8th, 2010 at 1:07 pm

    CB,
    Good points. Hughes and Strasburg both going tonight…I’m gettin my popcorn ready.

  88. stuckey June 8th, 2010 at 1:07 pm

    “I don’t care what’s said on the internet”

    “I have to stay away from other boards. The Sox just drafted another guy, Workman, that apparently ranks very highly and now they are being praised to high heaven as being so much smarter and better than the Yankees.”

    I kind of think you do… :-)

    “but I hate to see the Sox get so many picks and yes,”

    Like I say, GOT.

    They’ve had these picks lined up for months, and yes, they’re are high picks so naturally they’re going to get (VERY relatively speaking), “high end” talent.

    Nothing new or unexpected has occurred.

  89. MTU (aka GBURL) June 8th, 2010 at 1:07 pm

    Dassit-

    That’s pretty strong.

    No doubt about the way he plays. :)

  90. CB June 8th, 2010 at 1:08 pm

    “We’re watching the process of the MLB draft evolve into something it’s never been before. The league realizes there are TV ratings (and add dollars) to be gotten by sensationalizing this thing.

    The next step, and it’s coming, is going to be the trading of picks. Once that’s official the MLB draft will turn into the spectacle that the other league drafts are. ”

    G Love-

    I completely agree with you. I’ve followed the draft for a while now – and it’s clearly been changing over the past several years.

    But this year really does feel like it’s a seminal draft – not in terms of talent, but the way it’s being covered and the way people are reacting to it.

    MLB clearly sees dollars on the table. They’ve obviously been looking at how the NFL and NBA have turned their drafts into “events.”

    Now with the advent of the mlb network they finally have a true platform to transform their own draft into a media event.

    That’s what’s happening. It’s turning into a full fledged media event. It’s not there yet – but the transformation is clearly accelerating.

    And I also agree with you that trading picks will take it to that next level of fan frenzy. It’s ironic – teams should always have been able to trade picks. It’s paternalistic to not let them. But it very well may be the potential lever trading picks could be to turn the baseball draft into a media event that gets trading picks over the hump.

    The draft as we knew it is over.

  91. MTU (aka GBURL) June 8th, 2010 at 1:09 pm

    Blake-

    Keep one eye on each TV set. :)

  92. Warning Track Power June 8th, 2010 at 1:09 pm

    I can easily get into the NFL Draft, maybe even the NBA Draft, but I never have been interested in following the MLB Draft.
    Far too many players chosen.
    Great probability of players chosen that don’t get out of A ball

  93. upstate kate June 8th, 2010 at 1:09 pm

    I wonder how many sox fans think they get all the great pix…my sisters complain about how for years the Rays got all the best ones…

  94. SJ44 June 8th, 2010 at 1:10 pm

    How do you know they got “high end” talent? Because somebody on TV says so?

    Ranaudo is hurt and is going to be a tough sign.

    Workman is a good college arm from a program that beats the daylights out of their pitchers.

    Their best pitcher last year, Wood, threw 167 pitches in the 25 inning game against BC last year, got drafted by the Astros, hurt his arm, and hasn’t been the same since.

    The kid from Ball State? A lot of scouts don’t think much of him.

    Every one of these kids have question marks, as ALL of these kids do.

    Here is fact about the baseball draft……

    Over 1500 players get taken each year. Less than TWO % of them EVER play in the majors.

    Those are the odds all of these kids face.

    Meaning, its IMPOSSIBLE to determine how much ” high end talent” any of these teams are getting with these players.

  95. Trevor June 8th, 2010 at 1:10 pm

    “SS Culver
    LF Crawford
    1B Teixeira
    2B Cano
    DH Montero
    3B A-Rod
    C Romine
    RF Gumb
    CF Gardner
    P Hughes

    Oh wait, that’s GTLU in 2016. My bad.”

    I got Heathcott in CF. :)

  96. YankeeRay June 8th, 2010 at 1:10 pm

    My wish

    Jeter ss
    Swisher RF
    Arod 3B
    Cano 2B
    BOC (Back of baseball card) Tex 1B
    Posada DH
    Granderson CF
    Cervelli C
    Gardner LF

  97. stuckey June 8th, 2010 at 1:11 pm

    MLB can’t let teams trade picks until they revamp the current system. They need to get international players into the draft AND create a salary structure for draft picks, something that will be extraordinarily difficult to do.

    Strasburg and Harper would be Yankees or Red Sox if the draft rules stood as they were but they also allowed trading picks.

    It would be Scott Boras’ wet dream.

  98. Joba Tips his Cap June 8th, 2010 at 1:12 pm

    yeah, I agree. MLB draft is for entertainment only, well, most part.

  99. CB June 8th, 2010 at 1:12 pm

    “even Frankie Piliiere gave out winners…….it’s natural to rank how the teams are thought to have done. ”

    It’s not “natural” at all. It’s completely irrational to try to give snap judgements on kids that are so far away from producing results.

    There is no immediate connection right now between the process of the draft and it’s outcome. Yet people are so confident about their understanding of process that they are providing instantaneous evaluations. That’s just silly.

    It’s only “natural” because Mel Kiper and ESPN have diffused so deeply into people’s understanding of how a draft should be viewed.

    It’s only “natural” in a knee-jerk, short attention span culture.

  100. MTU (aka GBURL) June 8th, 2010 at 1:12 pm

    Great Red Sox draft picks :

    Anderson

    Hanson

    Lowrie

    Bowden

    Man they’re really smokin’ hot. They never make a mistake. ;)

  101. vblade June 8th, 2010 at 1:12 pm

    Trevor June 8th, 2010 at 1:10 pm

    “SS Culver
    LF Crawford
    1B Teixeira
    2B Cano
    DH Montero
    3B A-Rod
    C Romine
    RF Gumb
    CF Gardner
    P Hughes

    Oh wait, that’s GTLU in 2016. My bad.”

    I got Heathcott in CF.

    —————-

    Gumb at 1B and Heathcott in CF if Tex is elsewhere :D

    Hey, one can dream.

  102. blake June 8th, 2010 at 1:12 pm

    The Strasburg start has created a frenzy and I’m really excited to see him throw..however if I were picking a pitcher for the next 10 years I may just go with that guy in Colorado that’s still somewhat flying under the radar.

  103. CR9 June 8th, 2010 at 1:13 pm

    LOL!

    Sean Coyle to the Red Sox. May not be signed. But the MLB.com are licking this guy clean as well. SO PREDICTABLE! “If the Red Sox cant sign him, it’s still a great pick” :lol: Gotta love these scumpiles!

  104. Joba Tips his Cap June 8th, 2010 at 1:13 pm

    no matter what, they will beat O’s, lowly.
    The interesting to see is their offense against good team.

  105. CR9 June 8th, 2010 at 1:13 pm

    Yankees Robert Segedin 3B

  106. Warning Track Power June 8th, 2010 at 1:14 pm

    Even if the Yankees drafted that player the Nats picked #1, I really don’t have any interest at the moment.

    That kid could be a bust or the next star. Who knows.
    Why spend hours and hours debating his talent and projecting when he will reach the majors and how well he will do, etc….

    A lot of hot air if you ask me.

  107. Kevin June 8th, 2010 at 1:14 pm

    I am going to the game tonight in Baltimore and wanted to go to batting practice and wanted to know if anyone knew what time it started at Camden Yards

  108. CT23 June 8th, 2010 at 1:14 pm

    Jeter SS
    Swisher RF
    Teixeira 1B
    Rodriguez 3B
    Cano 2B
    Posada DH
    Granderson CF
    Cervelli C
    Gardner LF

  109. Warning Track Power June 8th, 2010 at 1:15 pm

    I have a bold prediction to make:

    Beginning today, Tex will bust out of his season long slump.

    HR’s will be hit
    Runners will be driven hit
    Getting on base will become the norm.

    I can feel it!

  110. MTU (aka GBURL) June 8th, 2010 at 1:15 pm

    Blake-

    Oh you must mean that bum who just did what no other pitcher in the History of baseball did.

    He sucks. ;)

  111. mick June 8th, 2010 at 1:15 pm

    Kevin,
    They usually let you in 2 hours before the game.

  112. blake June 8th, 2010 at 1:16 pm

    Personally I never make a determination on a drafted player until I see that the pick lands the team on Heyman’s “winners list”.

  113. CR9 June 8th, 2010 at 1:16 pm

    WTP

    You are correct about Teixeira! Erica placed Teixeira on the reserves of the esteemed and first-place Erica’s Avengers! His success will be attributed to that selfless act!

  114. CT23 June 8th, 2010 at 1:16 pm

    another infielder. this is ridiculous. what happened to stocking up on pitching?

  115. SJ44 June 8th, 2010 at 1:16 pm

    The Yankees finally drafted a guy I’ve seen play!! Robert Segedin of Tulane.

    Played short at Tulane but, probably projects as a third baseman.

    Big kid, about 6-3, 215. Really good bat, decent power. Good athlete for his size. Doesn’t run too well.

    If his projects, he’s got some power and could be interesting.

  116. Betsy - Hughes rules (Pleading the Fifth) June 8th, 2010 at 1:17 pm

    Scouting Report-
    baseballbeginnings.com/2009/06/22/angelo-gumbs/

    Talk about getting a head start. Three days before the 2009 MLB Draft, Baseball Beginnings rose early to go watch shortstop Angelo Gumbs of Torrance High School play in a championship game at Angel Stadium.

    Few things beat this for scouting: a morning game, a big league park, a junior prospect and video taken on the top step of the dugout.

    Gumbs is a high school shortstop and a center fielder at heart, the position he?d like to play as a pro. He added about three inches from his sophomore year to his junior year and started to fill out, though there is a long way to go in that body. He?s rangy and whippy with above-average athletic actions. He?s going to be a player, and we?re happy to introduce him.

    Gumbs grounded out twice, getting down the line in 4.2 seconds from the right-side. He was intentionally walked earlier in the game and hit a hard line drive over second base in the seventh inning for his only hit of the game.

    Defensively, Gumbs went deep to his right, diving for a ball and spearing it to keep it in the infield. It was a rangy and athletic pro-caliber type play. On the next ball, a foul pop near the third base dugout, Gumbs came all the way over, took charge, and called off his third baseman to make the play.

    Gumbs should only improve with age and strength. A product of the RBI program who has also played at the MLB Urban Youth Academy, Gumbs is a 16-under Team USA invite who should be at the Area Code Games later this summer. It?ll be an important summer for him as he continues to establish himself as a 2010 national-level draft prospect.

    ?I like shortstop, but I see my premium position as center field,? he said. ?Center field is always where I?ve played. I love being out there running down balls.?

    Angel Stadium gave him a long way to run. He?s the only infielder I?ve seen this year take ground balls with the range of a pro center fielder. He could stay at short in the future, though his upper body frame indicates strength to come and a body that is better suited to the outfield.

    He?ll have to prove that he can hit as he advances, which he says is a priority this summer.

    ?I also want to work on staying on top of the ball more when I?m throwing,? he said. ?Hitting is a non-stop thing. I?m starting to stay inside the ball more and keep both hands on the bat when I?m swinging. I work on keeping my feet and my knees planted when I hit the ball.?

    ANGELO GUMBS, SS-CF, Torrance HS (2010 Draft)

    6-2, 180
    Bats Right, Throws Right
    Games Seen 1, Innings: 7 (Spring 2009, Junior year at Angel Stadium)

    PHYSICAL DESCRIPTION: Lean athletic and muscular build, strong forearms and hands, long fingers; High athletic legs; still physically maturing, like night and day between sophomore and junior years. Natural athlete.

    STRENGTHS: Way above-average athletic actions. Fast arm, feet move, good arm action and footwork. 4.25 runner to 1B from RH side, fast first step, starts and stops on bases. Instinctive fielder; possess game-awareness, soft hands on defense, plus-range as SS. Fast hands at plate.

    WEAKNESSES: Still growing as a hitter. A little too armsy and long with swing right now, and a little flat at times. Needs experience regularly hitting with wood against good pitching. Will need to show he can get his hands inside the good fastball. Power is a few years down the road.

    SUMMARY: An athlete. Chance to be true 5-tool player, with grades 50 or better in each tool. Whippy and strong athletic body; could play SS or CF. Should become multi-platform offensive and defensive threat.

    *********

    35/50
    Power 30/70
    Run 50/50
    Arm 60/60
    Field 60/60

    Overall Future Potential: 58

  117. mick June 8th, 2010 at 1:17 pm

    SS and 3B seems to be atop the Yankee priority list. Makes sense to me.

  118. MTU (aka GBURL) June 8th, 2010 at 1:17 pm

    Blake-

    Am I wasting some of my best one liners on you today ? :(

  119. Doreen - GTLU Stuff & Photos June 8th, 2010 at 1:17 pm

    Joe From Long Island -

    Yes indeed, lots of driving!

    My daughter is going to be living in White Plains. It’s a long story, but the bottom line is, until she does, if she wants to socialize with the people she’ll be living among, I’m her means of transportation. I’ll probably be doing this once a week until she actually moves in, which is, as Girardi says, “a process,” and could be as soon as August, or not until the end of the year.

    Also, on that note, On June 24th, I’m going to be driving to Florida to visit my parents. I plan on taking the laptop, but there might be a couple of days where I’ll either need GTLU back-up or skip it a few days.

    Albany in NY -

    Who’s e-mail????? :) Anyway, to seriously answer your question, it is possible to submit lineups on the GTLU site (I have set up a comments section on the blog portion of it), but I think it would be inconvenient to ask people to go there when they are already here; plus, I think that the people who enjoy the game, also enjoy seeing what other people are thinking in terms of the lineup – but that’s a guess.

  120. Matthew June 8th, 2010 at 1:18 pm

    Sick of drafting all these athletic “all glove/speed, no bat” players.

    We basically are drafting Greg Golson/Ramiro Pena clones.

    Why don’t the Yankees like guys who can hit? They draft guys who can do everything but hit.

  121. Betsy - Hughes rules (Pleading the Fifth) June 8th, 2010 at 1:18 pm

    I read that Gumbs is committed to school, so he could be a tough sign.

  122. Doreen - GTLU Stuff & Photos June 8th, 2010 at 1:18 pm

    **That last post was to Albany Yankee, total brain freeze. :)

  123. blake June 8th, 2010 at 1:18 pm

    MTU,

    Yea, Terrible :)

  124. Betsy - Hughes rules (Pleading the Fifth) June 8th, 2010 at 1:19 pm

    Blake, how are you going to watch both? LOL I suspect most folks will be watching Strasburg…….understandably

  125. M&M June 8th, 2010 at 1:20 pm

    Wow

    Robert Segedin is the highest rated guy we’ve drafted so far (88 by BA), and we took him in the 3rd round!

    We drafted a guy who was ranked 168 in the 1st round, and someone ranked at 100 (or maybe 102? somewhere around there) in the 2nd round.

    First value pick of the draft. The other two guys were reaches and have no bat…. This is a good pick though

  126. Trevor June 8th, 2010 at 1:20 pm

    ss jeter
    rf swisher
    1b teixeira
    3b rodriguez
    2b cano
    dh posada
    cf granderson
    c cervelli
    lf gardner

  127. MTU (aka GBURL) June 8th, 2010 at 1:20 pm

    Betsy-

    “I read that Gumbs is committed to school, so he could be a tough sign.”

    As long as he isn’t all “gumbs” I have no problem with this selection. :)

  128. Josh June 8th, 2010 at 1:21 pm

    Gumbs was a waste of a pick. IMO. Tough commitment to USC and not much of a stick. Can run and play defense though.

  129. Tom in N.J. June 8th, 2010 at 1:21 pm

    Segedin has been completely healthy after back and shoulder problems caused him to redshirt a year ago. He’s one of the better college bats in the draft, and he made consistent line-drive contact during a .434/.516/.788 season.

    http://www.baseballamerica.com.....10034.html

  130. Joe from Long Island June 8th, 2010 at 1:21 pm

    Tonight will be very interesting one –

    On the one hand, Young Master Hughes (as Pat M would say) is going to try to extend his string of good pitching, and on the other is The Great Strasburg, trying to start his own with the Nats. Both games on local TV (MY9 and MLB) for us here in NY.

    As an aside, Jeff Karstens is slated to start for the Pirates against the Nationals. Nothing against Strasburg, but I’ve always rooted for Kartstens, ever since he tried to continue pitching in that game with a broken leg, against the Red Sox. Pete always said he was a good kid.

  131. blake June 8th, 2010 at 1:21 pm

    Betsy,

    The magic of MLB.TV and 2 windows open ;)

  132. stuckey June 8th, 2010 at 1:22 pm

    btw – no one is arguing that you can’t look at a raw young amateur baseball player and form an “opinion” about him. MLB Network and ESPN have air-time to fill and pageviews to generate, and its perfectly fine to evaluate the information on hand.

    The USER (us) just have to bring perspective to the situation. Harold Reynolds, Keith Law etc might have genuine opinions at the moment, but in a honest moment, they’d acknowledge the relative worth of their own opinions at this point in time.

    They just can’t acknowledge they when they’re trying to get YOU to generate a pageview or tune-in for the next hour of coverage.

  133. MTU (aka GBURL) June 8th, 2010 at 1:22 pm

    Today represents a baseball overload condition.

    The draft

    YMH

    Strasburg

    Where’s my Xanax. :)

  134. pat June 8th, 2010 at 1:23 pm

    Segedin is a local- Old Tappan

  135. CR9 June 8th, 2010 at 1:24 pm

    Holy Geez! Greg Vaughn’s son? As in the steroid freak Vaughn of the 1998 Padres?

    He has a son already being drafted. Time flies!

  136. MTU (aka GBURL) June 8th, 2010 at 1:25 pm

    Blake-

    yeah, 2 windows and 2 eyes. One eye on each window.

    Good thing you aren’t a cyclops. :)

  137. Tom in N.J. June 8th, 2010 at 1:25 pm

    Pat, I was just about to post that Segedin is a local boy from Jersey.

  138. flim flam June 8th, 2010 at 1:25 pm

    “Gumbs, you’re a goddamn genius!”

  139. Doreen - GTLU Stuff & Photos June 8th, 2010 at 1:26 pm

    There were only two MLB drafts that I paid any attention to. The first was the year Rick Porcello was a draftee – because he’s a local boy and I was hoping the Yankees would get him. It was exciting and deflating because Detroit picked him right before. The second year was last year when SJ44′s nephew was a draftee, because I considered him a “local boy,” too.

    Other than that, I have no real interest in it as a whole. Just for particular players that might have piqued my interest for one reason or other.

  140. m June 8th, 2010 at 1:27 pm

    SJ & CB have hit the nail on the head I think. The Yankees have done a great job of stocking the farm so that our immediate and mid-term needs can be met. Lots of pitching, some outfield guys. Corner IF. Can’t have a bottleneck of guys in the system. Got to think longer-term at times.

    I trust that the Yankees know what they’re doing.

    CB,

    I also like your thoughts on picking a guy in whom you have faith in a not-too-special draft.

    BTW. I heard something over the top last night on the radio. Today is Strasday. :? But it’s also Hughesday. :)

  141. Erica in NY June 8th, 2010 at 1:28 pm

    CR9-

    Sadly, Erica’s Avengers are FAR from a first place team.

    Just wanted to make sure there was no confusion. Didn’t want people to think I was lying about actually having a decent team.

    Erica’s Avengers are struggling to maintain .500 status

  142. vblade June 8th, 2010 at 1:30 pm

    The last “can’t miss” Red Sox prospect that justified all the minor league hype was Hanley Ramirez. Guys like Youk and Pedroia weren’t that highly regarded in the minors but honed their craft. Just like all these kids have to do.

    No use stressing about the draft. Don’t give in to the mass hysteria agents.

  143. informed leaguer June 8th, 2010 at 1:31 pm

    Erica Avengers record is 4-5. On the way to 4-6. 4th place in a division of 5 teams.

  144. Jimmy Stats June 8th, 2010 at 1:31 pm

    Boston has killed this draft – Workman and Ranuado were excellent picks. Two high ceiling pitchers. Workman comes from a great program.

    They also just drafted a Pedroia clone in the 3rd round. Gammons also said Vitik was the college bat in this draft.

    I don’t know much about that Brutz kid, but people on another board like him, so I have to believe it is a good pick.

    They are apparently willing to spend a ton of $$, which I’m not happy about.

  145. Betsy - Hughes rules (Pleading the Fifth) June 8th, 2010 at 1:31 pm

    Blake, ok………I really don’t have much interest in Strasburg. When they already declare him practically the best pitcher in baseball without having thrown 1 pitch, it’s too much. I don’t care how he does, but I’m glad he’s in the Mets division since I suppose he’ll be like Halladay was to the AL East.

  146. hardwired June 8th, 2010 at 1:32 pm

    I suggest we cut and paste the last three threads into one big file. Then, in about two years or so we can read it for a good laugh.

  147. Betsy - Hughes rules (Pleading the Fifth) June 8th, 2010 at 1:32 pm

    Josh, if he’s committed to USC, then I don’t get this pick at all; after the Cole fiasco, which I don’t blame the Yankees for, they can’t afford to lose another pick.

  148. Irreverent Discourse June 8th, 2010 at 1:33 pm

    betsy – he’ll be the halladay in a division that has… a halladay already :)

    don’t let the hype sway you, watch him pitch and try to not be amazed.

  149. John_Halfz June 8th, 2010 at 1:34 pm

    To the commenter in the previous thread who suggests that Clay Buchholz has “outpitched” Phil Hughes: incorrect

    K/9 Hughes: 9.05 Buchholz 6.53
    BB/9 Hughes: 2.83 Buchholz 3.55
    HR/9 Hughes: 0.54 Buchholz 0.35
    FIP Hughes: 2.85 Buchholz 3.49
    WHIP Hughes: 1.05 Buchholz 1.28
    WPA Hughes: 1.92 Buchholz 1.35

    Also, please don’t pretend that Youkilis and Papelbon are still cost-controlled: they earn about $18.5 together. And Papelbon is a 2nd tier closer.

  150. Billy D June 8th, 2010 at 1:34 pm

    “Erica Avengers record is 4-5. On the way to 4-6. 4th place in a division of 5 teams.”

    They’re saving it for the playoffs.

  151. Fran (the original) June 8th, 2010 at 1:34 pm

    Erica,

    Don’t feel too bad. My team is in worse shape than yours. I have lost 5 in a row.

  152. vblade June 8th, 2010 at 1:34 pm

    # hardwired June 8th, 2010 at 1:32 pm

    I suggest we cut and paste the last three threads into one big file. Then, in about two years or so we can read it for a good laugh.

    ——————-

    I’m more amused with the Red Sox lovefest than anything.

    Remember Casey Kelly? Westmoreland? Hansen? These guys were supposed to be the next Boston dynasty pieces, and these same schills like Gammons were hyping them to no end when they were drafted.

    How’s that working out?

  153. MTU (aka GBURL) June 8th, 2010 at 1:35 pm

    Betsy-

    If you get a chance to watch Strasburg sometime I recommend you do.

    The kid is otherworldly.

    He is not just hype. He is the real deal. Complete package.

    He’s as close to can’t miss as can’t miss gets. ;)

  154. CR9 June 8th, 2010 at 1:36 pm

    Erica

    OMG! I was not trying to make you into a liar. It was just a compliment for one of the key contributors (good luck-wise) to a 2009 World Series.

    __

    I really miss Christina25. I believe she was another key factor in jinxing her own team, and causing success for our team. :cry:

  155. stuckey June 8th, 2010 at 1:38 pm

    Take a look at this and join me after…

    Pick Player Team Position Hometown/School
    1 Chipper Jones Atlanta Braves SS Pierson, Florida
    2 Tony Clark Detroit Tigers OF El Cajon, California
    3 Mike Lieberthal Philadelphia Phillies C Westlake, California
    4 Alex Fernandez Chicago White Sox RHP Miami Dade College
    5 Kurt Miller Pittsburgh Pirates RHP Bakersfield, California
    6 Marc Newfield Seattle Mariners 1B Huntington Beach, California
    7 Dan Wilson Cincinnati Reds C University of Minnesota
    8 Timothy Costo Cleveland Indians SS University of Iowa
    9 Ronnie Walden Los Angeles Dodgers LHP Blanchard, Oklahoma
    10 Carl Everett New York Yankees OF Tampa, Florida
    11 Darrell Andrews Montreal Expos SS Carlsbad, New Mexico
    12 Todd Ritchie Minnesota Twins RHP Duncanville, Texas
    13 Donovan Osborne St. Louis Cardinals LHP University of Nevada, Las Vegas
    14 Todd Van Poppel Oakland A’s RHP Arlington, Texas
    15 Adam Hyzdu San Francisco Giants OF Cincinnati, Ohio
    16 Daniel Smith Texas Rangers LHP Creighton University
    17 Jeromy Burnitz New York Mets OF Oklahoma State University
    18 Aaron Holbert St. Louis Cardinals SS Long Beach, California
    19 Eric Christopherson San Francisco Giants C San Diego State University
    20 Mike Mussina Baltimore Orioles RHP Stanford University
    21 Thomas Nevers Houston Astros SS Edina, Minnesota
    22 Steve Karsay Toronto Blue Jays RHP College Point, New York
    23 Lance Dickson Chicago Cubs LHP University of Arizona
    24 Rondell White Montreal Expos OF Gray, Georgia
    25 Robert Beckett San Diego Padres LHP Austin, Texas
    26 Donald Peters Oakland A’s RHP College of St. Francis

    That was the first round of the 1990 draft.

    Jorge Posada, a borderline Hall of Famer, and one of the best offensive catchers in the history of the game, was drafted 23 ROUNDS later, as a second baseman, after being a SS his senior year in high school.

    To evaluate the 2010 draft today, in any substantial way, if purely for entertainment value only.

    There is nothing substantive to be learned today, tomorrow, next week, or next year.

    Anyone to claim or argue otherwise is selling you snakeoil.

  156. m June 8th, 2010 at 1:38 pm

    If Hughes and Strasburg were pitching at the same time, I would watch Hughes. I love watching my that kid pitch.

  157. PHO June 8th, 2010 at 1:38 pm

    Only reason Buchholz has a lower ERA than Phil’s is because the hometown scorer in that Tampa game decided to make all 4 of his runs unearned.

    So rather than 5 IP, 4 ER… he got credited with pitching 5 scoreless innings. I can’t stand the media preception that he is pitching better than Hughes because the official scorer decided to not add those runs to his ERA… Phil is pitching better and the peripherals show it, I just wish the media would get with it as well. Not that they have said anything bad about Phil, but I don’t get the sense they have said he is definitely better than Clay which he has been… It’s actually a pretty decent gap in Hughes’ favor, so it’s not THAT close to say it is a toss up…

  158. G. Love June 8th, 2010 at 1:40 pm

    With the system the way it currently is, this is the year for the Red Sox to draft and spend.

    Their major league team is going to need to be rebuilt and they are going to have to sign type A free agents in abundance.

    In the coming years they need to replace Victor Martinez, David Ortiz, JD Drew, Mike Cameron, etc. They have a lot of holes at the big league level to fill and I’m guessing they are going to sign free agents to do so.

    Knowing that, they almost have to kill in this draft and spend big since their picks are going to be limited if they start signing free agents.

    The only guy on the team they can recoup a 1st round pick for letting go is Papelbon and Victor Martinez. Everyone else who projects type A is signed long term.

    And quite honestly, I’m not sure the Red Sox have the nerve to offer Victor Martinez and Papelbon arbitration.

    If Martinez is viewed as mainly a DH, he won’t command the yearly salary he currently does.

    Papelbon too may not be interested in going to another team and may want top closer dollars on a year to year deal.

    They do run the risk offering those 2 guys arb.

  159. SJ44 June 8th, 2010 at 1:40 pm

    Betsy,

    USC is no longer a baseball powerhouse. UCLA has overtaken them in LA.

    They will sign the kid.

  160. hardwired June 8th, 2010 at 1:40 pm

    How’s that working out?

    ——————–

    Umm, yeah, I’m a Yankee fan.

    I’m just referring to the innate unpredictability of the MLB draft, and the fact that getting too worked-up over it can & will be funny in retrospect.

    Also, I’ve posted here for quite some time (granted, I don’t flood the board) so to confuse me w/a Red Sox fan is way off base.

  161. vblade June 8th, 2010 at 1:41 pm

    # hardwired June 8th, 2010 at 1:40 pm

    How’s that working out?

    ——————–

    Umm, yeah, I’m a Yankee fan.

    I’m just referring to the innate unpredictability of the MLB draft, and the fact that getting too worked-up over it can & will be funny in retrospect.

    Also, I’ve posted here for quite some time (granted, I don’t flood the board) so to confuse me w/a Red Sox fan is way off base.

    ————–

    I was agreeing with you. lol. Don’t worry about it.

  162. CB June 8th, 2010 at 1:41 pm

    Year in and out, the team that has amongst the best drafts and receives the least attention and praise for them is the Rockies.

    What they’ve done there in terms of drafting talent and developing it has been remarkable. But no one talks about them.

    Yet every year all we hear is about how the Red Sox “killed it” in the draft yet again.

  163. Rocco June 8th, 2010 at 1:42 pm

    You guys will be telling your grand kids that you saw Stasburg’s MLB debut live on TV… don’t miss it just for a Yankees game…

  164. MTU (aka GBURL) June 8th, 2010 at 1:42 pm

    m-

    I understand the obvious bias towards Phil but Strasburg is a phenomenon.

    He is plus in every category a Pitcher can be plus in.

    I have climbed mountains for Phil and I would do the same for Strasburg if he was ours. :)

  165. Joba Tips his Cap June 8th, 2010 at 1:42 pm

    well said, stuckey .

  166. Betsy - Hughes rules (Pleading the Fifth) June 8th, 2010 at 1:43 pm

    ID, the only thing I’ll say is that I saw a clip of him and the kid looks like he has ridiculous stuff. I’m not saying he won’t be great, but I have a problem declaring any player who hasn’t played one game in the big leagues “the best” anything. I’ve nothing against him – but I probably won’t go out of my way to watch him.

  167. vblade June 8th, 2010 at 1:43 pm

    # Rocco June 8th, 2010 at 1:42 pm

    You guys will be telling your grand kids that you saw Stasburg’s MLB debut live on TV… don’t miss it just for a Yankees game…

    —————

    That’s what you have Picture In Picture for so you can watch both!

  168. Betsy - Hughes rules (Pleading the Fifth) June 8th, 2010 at 1:44 pm

    MTU, I never said Strasburg was hype and no substance; I just refuse to proclaim him the best pitcher in baseball.

  169. gayle June 8th, 2010 at 1:44 pm

    Erica-

    I am somewhat excited to say that Yank’s Spanks has been doing quite well but I think DB Bumbs may take one from me this week. he already has a head start with 3 extra pitching starts

  170. m June 8th, 2010 at 1:44 pm

    Rocco,

    I’d rather tell them that I watched the archived game on mlb.tv. :?

  171. Irreverent Discourse June 8th, 2010 at 1:44 pm

    betsy – well you’ll never find out by ignoring it :)

  172. Hit Man June 8th, 2010 at 1:45 pm

    The thing is, it’s not like the Sox have all these picks before us and we had no control over who they picked.

    We had an opportunity to take the same high-ceiling guys that they did and we passed for a utility man…

    Sox are making the most of their picks. Safe bats, high ceiling pitchers.

  173. Betsy - Hughes rules (Pleading the Fifth) June 8th, 2010 at 1:46 pm

    Maybe it’s because the Rockies don’t win consistently……..It’s great that they have these fantastic drafts, but they haven’t yet put it all together.

  174. Joba Tips his Cap June 8th, 2010 at 1:46 pm

    all right, have a good afternoon.
    I will be back once the game starts.

  175. pat June 8th, 2010 at 1:46 pm

    I wish Strasburg a long and successful career but I must say I’d like to see him get hit around a little tonight so the hype would calm down a bit.

  176. Betsy - Hughes rules (Pleading the Fifth) June 8th, 2010 at 1:46 pm

    PHO, Phil has gotten more attention that Clay – and Clay will probably be the starter in the ASG, so you might want to shut those first few innings off, lol

  177. Erica in NY June 8th, 2010 at 1:47 pm

    informed leaguer June 8th, 2010 at 1:31 pm
    Erica Avengers record is 4-5. On the way to 4-6. 4th place in a division of 5 teams.
    ***********

    ARGH!

    I didn’t know I dropped out of third :cry:

    And this week does not look good for me at all :-(

  178. Joe from Long Island June 8th, 2010 at 1:47 pm

    stuckey – nice research. Facts can really put things into proper perspective.

  179. Betsy - Hughes rules (Pleading the Fifth) June 8th, 2010 at 1:47 pm

    ID, he could pitch a no-hitter and I’m not about to call Strasburg the best pitcher in baseball, lol

  180. UnKnown June 8th, 2010 at 1:47 pm

    GTLU

    Jeter SS
    Swish RF
    Tex 1B
    Alex 3B
    Cano 2B
    Posado DH
    Granderson CF
    Cervelli C
    Gardner LF

    Looks like a lot of losers today or winners. But I can’t imagine Girardi not going with the money line up tonight.

  181. m June 8th, 2010 at 1:48 pm

    pat,

    lol. similar, if not great, minds. I want great pitching from Yankees, don’t care much about other teams. :P

  182. Erica in NY June 8th, 2010 at 1:48 pm

    Fran (the original) June 8th, 2010 at 1:34 pm
    Erica,

    Don?t feel too bad. My team is in worse shape than yours. I have lost 5 in a row.
    *********

    I am at my wits end. I really don’t know what to do anymore. I think my team is just stinky

    My opponent and I each had two starts last night.

    He got two wins.
    I got two losses.

  183. Billy D June 8th, 2010 at 1:49 pm

    “Remember Casey Kelly? Westmoreland?”

    Wonder how that Westmoreland kid is making out? Red Sox or not, you have to feel just terrible for a 19 year old with such a bright future have such a freakish brain stem issue.

  184. RayVT June 8th, 2010 at 1:49 pm

    mick June 8th, 2010 at 12:50 pm

    LOL! In HS & even in most colleges, the best athelete is a SS. It doesn’t mean they will be SS in MLB. Even Mickey Mantle was a SS before being switched to OF in MLB.

  185. MTU (aka GBURL) June 8th, 2010 at 1:50 pm

    Pat-

    Unless he’s really nervous and off his game you’re not likely to see that.

    And there is no telling what you will see if he’s on it.

  186. Erica in NY June 8th, 2010 at 1:50 pm

    gayle June 8th, 2010 at 1:44 pm
    Erica-

    I am somewhat excited to say that Yank?s Spanks has been doing quite well but I think DB Bumbs may take one from me this week. he already has a head start with 3 extra pitching starts
    ************

    You absolutely obliterated me last week.

    I stopped looking when you outpaced me by 100 points

  187. Jeremy June 8th, 2010 at 1:50 pm

    Why do people continue to give so much credit to Theo Epstein. The guy is a hack taking credit for other people’s work. Dan duquette was the one who got the Red Sox back on track in the farm and the major league club. Also I would give more credit to Epstein’s staff.

    The media and even some Yankee fans need to stop talking about how smart Theo is because the guy is a hack.

  188. Josh June 8th, 2010 at 1:50 pm

    Sox take Cecchini

    ughhhhhh

    How many high ceiling guys can they possibly take? This is very annoying…

  189. vblade June 8th, 2010 at 1:51 pm

    # Billy D June 8th, 2010 at 1:49 pm

    “Remember Casey Kelly? Westmoreland?”

    Wonder how that Westmoreland kid is making out? Red Sox or not, you have to feel just terrible for a 19 year old with such a bright future have such a freakish brain stem issue.

    ———-

    It’s unfortunate. However, it’s just another draft reality that you don’t know which kids make it until well into the future.

  190. Hit Man June 8th, 2010 at 1:52 pm

    Sox are taking a heck of a lot of high-ceiling signability guys

    How much money are they going to spend on this draft? Like $20 million? Good for them if they are, but its strange

  191. Irreverent Discourse June 8th, 2010 at 1:53 pm

    if anyone other than cliff lee starts for the AL, it would be a travesty.

  192. Tex-Mex June 8th, 2010 at 1:54 pm

    Ok, Cash… you can start drafting some pitchers any round now, Boston already has taken two good ones, we can start any time now…

  193. Betsy - Hughes rules (Pleading the Fifth) June 8th, 2010 at 1:54 pm

    Cliff Lee missed a month of the season; he doesn’t deserve to start.

  194. vblade June 8th, 2010 at 1:54 pm

    # Irreverent Discourse June 8th, 2010 at 1:53 pm

    if anyone other than cliff lee starts for the AL, it would be a travesty.

    ————-

    Could see Andy Pettitte or maybe even Phil Hughes if things shake out. It’s Girardi managing after all.

  195. Jeremy June 8th, 2010 at 1:55 pm

    A good number of Sox fans have stopped drinking the Theo Epstein kool aid. They even know that Epstein is overrated if you look at his total body of work.

  196. SJ44 June 8th, 2010 at 1:56 pm

    lol@ “high ceiling guys”.

    Some of you guys crack me up.

    They are all “high ceiling” guys. That’s why they are getting drafted.

    Half the guys the Sox drafted aren’t even going to sign. They are going to go to college.

    But hey, if it makes some of you crazy, have at it.

  197. m June 8th, 2010 at 1:56 pm

    Travesty’s a pretty strong word.

    There’s a few worthy candidates. Can’t imagine a young kid getting the call over a vet, though.

  198. Fran (the original) June 8th, 2010 at 1:57 pm

    Erica,

    My team is frustrating me too. I had 2 starts last night and came away with a total of 9 points.

  199. Tex-Mex June 8th, 2010 at 1:57 pm

    Does Girardi get to pick the ASG starter? I thought managers do?

  200. SJ44 June 8th, 2010 at 1:57 pm

    Why should they draft pitchers now genius?

    Shouldn’t you take the best player on the board when you pick?

    Its not the football draft. In fact, they don’t need pitchers in the organization. They need position players.

    That’s why they are taking these guys thus far.

  201. m June 8th, 2010 at 1:59 pm

    The manager get to pick the pitchers, but I think Girardi gets to choose the starter.

  202. pat June 8th, 2010 at 1:59 pm

    MTU

    That’s ok. I don’t get everything I wish for.

    Just not comfortable with people getting the call tag as “the next……” without having put in the work.

    A guy who has never thrown a ML pitch being compared to someone who played for multiple years, was humbled and overcame just doesn’t square up for me.

  203. Patrick June 8th, 2010 at 1:59 pm

    A few years ago Yankees fans were constantly complaining about the team taking too many pitchers. Now they aren’t taking enough. Can’t please everybody I guess :)

  204. Patrick June 8th, 2010 at 2:00 pm

    Everything I read about this Segedin kid sounds pretty good, I like that pick a lot

  205. John_Halfz June 8th, 2010 at 2:00 pm

    ASG Starter should be:

    Lee
    Hughes
    Price

    Assuming they maintain their current perfs through end of month (at which point Lee will have more than adequate IP to make a case)

  206. John_Halfz June 8th, 2010 at 2:00 pm

    ASG Starter should be:

    Lee
    Hughes
    Price

    Assuming they maintain their current perfs through end of month (at which point Lee will have more than adequate IP to make a case)

  207. Erica in NY June 8th, 2010 at 2:00 pm

    Fran (the original) June 8th, 2010 at 1:57 pm
    Erica,

    My team is frustrating me too. I had 2 starts last night and came away with a total of 9 points.
    ***********

    LOL. Don’t feel so bad. My two starts earned me a whopping 13.5.

    My only saving grace was Heath Bell getting a save. (but of course he didn’t do it cleanly and gave up a run first). See other closers aren’t perfect!

  208. vblade June 8th, 2010 at 2:00 pm

    Girardi gets to choose the first pitcher on the mound as the AL manager.

    I bet it would be Pettitte if he keeps this performance up.

  209. Irreverent Discourse June 8th, 2010 at 2:01 pm

    betsy – that line of reasoning is silly. where do you draw the line/ phil hughes missed 2 weeks, does he deserve it?

  210. Betsy - Hughes rules (Pleading the Fifth) June 8th, 2010 at 2:01 pm

    Phil definitely won’t start; I’m not even sure Joe would give him an inning……IF he makes the team. Andy’s been terrific – but I don’t think he’ll start Andy.

  211. YanksfaninPA June 8th, 2010 at 2:02 pm

    Jeter- SS
    Swish- RF
    Tex 1B
    Arod 3B
    Cano 2B
    Posada DH
    Grandy CF
    Cervelli C
    Gardner LF

  212. m June 8th, 2010 at 2:02 pm

    CB et al,

    Any thoughts on Andy, and how he’s been pitching so well?

  213. Betsy - Hughes rules (Pleading the Fifth) June 8th, 2010 at 2:03 pm

    ID, a month is a long time. However, if you want to penalize Phil for missing 2 starts (or maybe 1 more before the break), then I don’t have a problem with that.

  214. Irreverent Discourse June 8th, 2010 at 2:03 pm

    betsy – with any luck, girardi will keep all of our pitchers out of the game.sure its nice to be honored but the days off are way nicer :)

  215. kd June 8th, 2010 at 2:03 pm

    folks, the draft is hard. even the ‘experts’ agree:

    Jason (WI)

    How many prospects are you wrong on every year?
    Klaw
    (1:57 PM)

    Dozens. Or more.

  216. vblade June 8th, 2010 at 2:04 pm

    Irreverent Discourse June 8th, 2010 at 2:03 pm

    betsy – with any luck, girardi will keep all of our pitchers out of the game.sure its nice to be honored but the days off are way nicer

    —————

    Put any Rays/Jays/Red Sox pitcher/position players out there all game. :D

  217. RayVT June 8th, 2010 at 2:04 pm

    I agree Stuckey!! Nice touch! The draft is more miss than hit!

  218. jpb1973 June 8th, 2010 at 2:05 pm

    Sox take Cecchini

    ughhhhhh

    How many high ceiling guys can they possibly take? This is very annoying…

    ——————————————————————————————-

    Josh, the MLB draft is entirely different than the NBA or NFL draft. Less than 50% of the guys drafted sign. And then only about 15% of those ever make it to the big leagues…and it usually takes 4-6 years before they do. Don’t take the MLB draft too seriously.

  219. stuckey June 8th, 2010 at 2:05 pm

    I’m certain smarter people than I have already written studies on this, but it’s fascinating how the internet rewiring all our brains is affected professional sports and those inclined towards “fan-ish” behavior.

    It’s like the game isn’t being played on the field anymore. The standings seem secondary to the game of perception taking place on blogs, forums and the cable networks.

    There is no disputing there are fans know who genuinely become upset and agitated if it appears a rival team is winning the way of perception. And there is no better example than Yankee fans who seem to obsess over the Red Sox minor league system, how Theo Epstein is regarded, etc…

    As I said earlier, it’s like there is a whole other, longer game being played, having nothing whatsoever to do with actual baseball.

    My advice to some fans – stop living in mortal fear of the Red Sox being a good, well-regarded organization.

    It’s really an unfortunate waste of an adult’s time and attention.

  220. Betsy - Hughes rules (Pleading the Fifth) June 8th, 2010 at 2:06 pm

    ID, well I think if Phil is selected, he has to pitch; one inning won’t kill him – and it’s in front of his friends and family. I don’t like to see any player selected and not play – I find it sad.

  221. LGY June 8th, 2010 at 2:06 pm

    Law is being pretty conservative with that “dozens” line.

    Admitting really how often he is wrong would not be too good for business though.

  222. RayVT June 8th, 2010 at 2:08 pm

    SS Derek Jeter
    RF Nick Swisher
    1B Mark Teixeira
    3B Alex Rodriguez
    2B Robinson Cano
    DH Jorge Posada
    CF Curtis Granderson
    C Francisco Cervelli
    LF Brett Gardner

  223. Jeremy June 8th, 2010 at 2:08 pm

    I am looking forward to watching Strasburg pitch tonight. I’m also looking forward to Phil Hughes pitching tonight.

    And I hope that Strasburg has a great long career with the Nats.

  224. stuckey June 8th, 2010 at 2:08 pm

    “Phil definitely won’t start; I’m not even sure Joe would give him an inning……IF he makes the team.”

    Why do you think any of this?

  225. stuckey June 8th, 2010 at 2:08 pm

    Law should have simply said “most”.

  226. Irreverent Discourse June 8th, 2010 at 2:08 pm

    betsy – oh certainly, what larussa did to pujols what just hard to watch.

    while its nice to have pitchers represented, they are the most likely to be negatively effected by the game.

  227. Giuseppe Franco June 8th, 2010 at 2:09 pm

    Of course Girardi would give Hughes an inning of work if he were to make it to the All Star Game.

    Why wouldn’t he?

    It’s one inning. It’s the ASG and it’s in his home town.

    The only way Hughes might not pitch is if he starts for the Yanks on the previous Sat or Sun.

    Otherwise, Girardi isn’t going to have any issues with Hughes getting into the game.

  228. RayVT June 8th, 2010 at 2:09 pm

    stuckey June 8th, 2010 at 2:05 pm

    So true! Very well stated!

  229. Bret the Hitman June 8th, 2010 at 2:10 pm

    Promising draft picks contributing to the Yanks or past/present trade chips:

    Phil Hughes
    Joba Chamberlain
    Brett Gardner
    Austin Jackson
    Austin Romine
    Ian Kennedy
    David Robertson
    Andrew Brackman
    Slade Heathcott
    JR Murphy
    Brandon Laird
    David Adams
    Zachary McAllister
    Tyler Clippard
    CJ Henry

    International signees contributing to Yanks or past/present trade chips:

    Robinson Cano
    Chien Ming Wang
    Francisco Cervelli
    Melky Cabrera
    Alfredo Aceves
    Jesus Montero
    Gary Sanchez
    Manny Banuelos
    Arodys Vizcaino
    Jose Ramirez
    Kelvin DeLeon
    Jose Tabata

    WHO DO THE SOX HAVE FOR TRADE CHIPS???????

    ELLSBURY? NOOOOOOOOOOOOO

    KELLY? NOOOOOOOOOOO

    ANDERSON? NOOOOOOOOOOOO

    They have a core of Lester, Buccholz, Pedroia, Youkilis and Bard.

    Other than that…NOTHING.

  230. Betsy - Hughes rules (Pleading the Fifth) June 8th, 2010 at 2:10 pm

    Stuckey, just a gut feeling, but then again, it’s not like I’ve been thinking about it. IMO, it’s too early to do so – esp. with pitchers.

  231. Irreverent Discourse June 8th, 2010 at 2:11 pm

    lee has 2 ip less than hughes, for the record.

  232. Fran (the original) June 8th, 2010 at 2:12 pm

    Doreen,

    Here is my unoriginal line-up:

    Derek SS
    Swisher RF
    Tex 1B
    Alex 3B
    Robbie 2B
    Jorge C
    Curtis CF
    Cisco C
    Gardner LF

    Safe travels.
    Thanks for hosting.

  233. m June 8th, 2010 at 2:12 pm

    If Hughes makes the AS team, they could just skip his start prior to the game. The managers try to get most pitchers in, unless they’ve been asked by managers to avoid it as much as possible.

    I don’t think Girardi wants to see Hughes mad again. :P

  234. Bronx Jeers June 8th, 2010 at 2:12 pm

    Looking at a picture of the kid he reminds me of Bobby Meacham.

  235. Jeremy June 8th, 2010 at 2:13 pm

    If Hughes keeps on pitching like he is right now he will make the All Star Team.

  236. CR9 June 8th, 2010 at 2:13 pm

    Doreen

    In case Fran doesnt come back, I think she meant Jorge at DH!

  237. stuckey June 8th, 2010 at 2:13 pm

    Betsy, Hughes has been one of the best pitchers in baseball. Not sure it’s any more complicated than that.

    I think it’s okay for you to stop waiting for a shoe to fall.

    He’s arrived. You can start to expect good things.

  238. Irreverent Discourse June 8th, 2010 at 2:14 pm

    4 walks on 57 strikeouts, 1.6 FIP/2.9 xFIP, 61 innings in 8 starts (almost 8/start) makes lee my undeniable selection for the AL all-star starter. someone else (hughes/pettite/buchholz/romero/liriano) would have to have an absolutely extraordinary june to move lee off of the top of this list.

  239. Billy D June 8th, 2010 at 2:15 pm

    “Dan duquette was the one who got the Red Sox back on track in the farm and the major league club.”

    Dan Duquette almost singlehandedly wrecked their farm system. Check his drafts. He was running the show from 1994-2001. He was disasterous. Epstein in company have been pretty good, rather than great, but Duquette killed ‘em with about 5 years of crap drafts.

  240. Irreverent Discourse June 8th, 2010 at 2:16 pm

    … and also… i’m leaning more towards wanting to sign lee now. i wasn’t convinced last year but i’m getting there :)

  241. Jeremy June 8th, 2010 at 2:18 pm

    Betsy

    So far Andy and Phil have the right to be on the All Star Team because they are having a great year so far. Why do you think they shouldn’t start ?

  242. Billy D June 8th, 2010 at 2:18 pm

    “If Hughes keeps on pitching like he is right now he will make the All Star Team.”

    Lock o rama!

    If the Yankees work it out so that he pitches 4-5 days ahead of the allstar game, maybe let him get an inning or two in the classic, and use him in the 5th game after the break, they will have give him 11-12 days off and keep him in line with whatever innings limit they see fit.

  243. MTU (aka GBURL) June 8th, 2010 at 2:18 pm

    Pat-

    “That’s ok. I don’t get everything I wish for.

    Just not comfortable with people getting the call tag as “the next……” without having put in the work.

    A guy who has never thrown a ML pitch being compared to someone who played for multiple years, was humbled and overcame just doesn’t square up for me.”

    I don’t know if you know this about Strasburg or not but he had to overcome some very serious weight issues (sounds familiar) to become the Pitcher he is now.

    It could not have been easy for him. Body type was similar to Joba.

    But he worked very hard and that really brought out his true physical gifts.

    People are hyping Strasburg. I think he is going to be very content to let his Pitching do the talking.

  244. m June 8th, 2010 at 2:19 pm

    lol, who’s on the NL roster? Is it predominantly lefty? Start Pettitte/Lee back to back. And then watch Girardi run out of pitchers as he plays matchups. I kid, I kid.

  245. Jeremy June 8th, 2010 at 2:22 pm

    Billy D

    Sorry but Epstein still doesn’t deserve the credit he has been given. Duquette set the Red Sox up for a Championship in 2004. He brought in Lowe, Varitek, Manny, Damon, Pedro and so on. The core was already in place for the Red Sox to take off.

    Also Epstein’s former staff have done more to build up the farm. So in my mind Epstein is an overrated hack.

  246. CB June 8th, 2010 at 2:23 pm

    “Any thoughts on Andy, and how he’s been pitching so well?”

    m-

    He’s been a revelation. It’s simply amazing to think that around one year ago many people thought Andy was done. He was pitching horribly. There were all those stories about him being “scared” to pitch inside to lefties at the new stadium, etc.

    And then just like that he rediscovered his cut fastball and it transformed his game.

    My general sense is that his shoulder is healthy again. It seemed to me that he was pitching tentatively last year – particularly with his cutter off the concerns he had with his shoulder in 2008.

    Once he got that cut fastball back the rest of his repertoire played off that.

    But it is amazing. He’s a better pitcher now than he was at 28. He’s even better at setting hitters up and working patterns.

    And he keeps adding new wrinkles. All of a sudden this year he starts throwing that round house curve – especially to right handed batters. Who would have thought that pitch could be a weapon to RH hitters?

    But as usual – he makes it work.

    On the whole I’ve just been very impressed with where his cut fastball has been since last summer. It makes the rest of his stuff play up because that’s his only true plus pitch. You couple that with a guy who keeps getting smarter out on the mound – it’s just a great mix.

  247. Jeremy June 8th, 2010 at 2:24 pm

    billy D

    I agree with one main point. Duquette was not the best when it came to the Red Sox farm system.

  248. kd June 8th, 2010 at 2:26 pm

    andy pettitte = HOF

  249. XLJ June 8th, 2010 at 2:26 pm

    Garbage signing they could of picked him in the later rounds. Yanks had a real bad draft. FIRE CASHMAN!!!!

  250. Irreverent Discourse June 8th, 2010 at 2:26 pm

    these are all of the players that “made it” from the duquette drafts

    year player(round)
    1994 – nomar(1), pavano (13, lol?)
    1995 – pat burrel (round 43)
    1996 – reitsma(1s), duchscherer(8), harang(22)
    1997 – eckstein(19)
    1998 – everett(1), maroth(3), teixeira(9, did not sign)
    1999 – dan geise(34)
    2000 – delcarmen(2), freddy sanchez(11)
    2001 – shoppach(2), youkilis(8)

  251. Dallas Braden June 8th, 2010 at 2:27 pm

    GTLU

    SS Jeter
    RF Swish
    1B Tex
    3B Alex
    2B Cano
    DH Posada
    CF Grandy
    C Cervelli
    LF Gardy

  252. m June 8th, 2010 at 2:28 pm

    CB,

    Thanks for that. Great stuff.

    He’s had a wondrous career.

    Still. Hoping that Andy can keep the magic going.

  253. pat June 8th, 2010 at 2:29 pm

    From the “Athletes will try anything to heal” file:

    Women’s Olympic downhill gold medallist Lindsey Vonn talks about her unorthodox healing methods Wednesday night on the YES Network’s “CenterStage”: “So it’s a kind of cheese that they only have in Europe. It’s kind of like a ricotta. So, it’s like a really like creamy cheese, Topfen. I slapped it on my shin and I put plastic wrap around it and I slept in it overnight. It has a lot of anti- inflammatory properties to it. It took the swelling down. It kept it cool obviously because you keep it in the fridge. It worked really well. . . . I used it all throughout the Olympics.”

  254. Irreverent Discourse June 8th, 2010 at 2:30 pm

    i put something cold on my leg and the swelling went down. rocket science.

  255. Doreen - GTLU Stuff & Photos June 8th, 2010 at 2:30 pm

    I have the following people submitting lineups for GTLU so far today:

    Erica
    Warning Track Power
    NYY626
    upstate kate
    YankeeRay*
    CT23
    Trevor
    Unknown
    YanksfaninPA
    RayVT
    fran (the original)

  256. Joe June 8th, 2010 at 2:31 pm

    jimcallisBA

    Every Red Sox #mlbdraft pick so far has a seven-figure asking price. If they sign them all, great haul.

  257. Just Sayin' June 8th, 2010 at 2:31 pm

    It’s no fun being an illegal alien.

    It’s also no fun drafting last every round.

    Of course, that means you kicked ass the year before, so I’m not complaining.

  258. Billy D June 8th, 2010 at 2:32 pm

    “Duquette set the Red Sox up for a Championship in 2004.”

    I kinda half agree with this. Certainly guys like Schilling, Ortiz, and in particular for 2004, Foulke (easily their MVP of that postseason) augmented what Duquette left behind, but many of the parts were there as you suggest.

    I was speaking more to the drafting and minor league system management. I think Duquette became so enamored with having a big MLB budget, unlike his Expos days, that he let it the minors go to hell.

  259. Doreen - GTLU Stuff & Photos June 8th, 2010 at 2:33 pm

    And Dallas Braden, too, on the GTLU list.

  260. Jeremy June 8th, 2010 at 2:33 pm

    Irreverent Discourse
    Pretty good list of players right there. Like I said before Theo Epstein is a hack and he gets too much credit for the Red Sox success. Like I said the core was already in place with Manny, Pedro, Lowe, Vartiek, Damon, Nomar. He didn’t draft Lester and he didn’t draft Youkilis.

  261. Fridge June 8th, 2010 at 2:34 pm

    “Garbage signing they could of picked him in the later rounds. Yanks had a real bad draft. FIRE CASHMAN!!!!”

    I’m no Cashman fan, but I blame Hal for this awful draft.

    Boston picks up a ton of big-time, signability guys and we take a guy who Baseball America ranked 168th in the 1st round and the rest of the awfulness of this draft.

    If Hal gave Cash some $$, I have to figure he would have nabbed the high-ceiling guys that Boston did. Henry apparently wants to restock the farm in a big way. Hal is content.

  262. pat June 8th, 2010 at 2:36 pm

    Erica

    This Tweets for you…..

    sesamestreet Cookie Monster: Most misunderstood cookie fact: too many cookies NOT bad for you. It true! EATING too many cookies, now dat another story.

    And before someone asks, no I don’t follow Sesame Street. A Yankee beat writer retweeted it.

  263. Jeremy June 8th, 2010 at 2:36 pm

    Yes fire Cashman the guy just flat out stinks. He makes the executives at BP look competent.\sarcasm

  264. CRAWDADDY (Boycott ESPN-NY) June 8th, 2010 at 2:37 pm

    Man, I see the trolls or baseball dummies are out in force.

  265. vblade June 8th, 2010 at 2:37 pm

    # Fridge June 8th, 2010 at 2:34 pm

    “Garbage signing they could of picked him in the later rounds. Yanks had a real bad draft. FIRE CASHMAN!!!!”

    I’m no Cashman fan, but I blame Hal for this awful draft.

    Boston picks up a ton of big-time, signability guys and we take a guy who Baseball America ranked 168th in the 1st round and the rest of the awfulness of this draft.

    If Hal gave Cash some $$, I have to figure he would have nabbed the high-ceiling guys that Boston did. Henry apparently wants to restock the farm in a big way. Hal is content.

    ————–

    More one-named BA-hugging armchair scouts from last night. The Yankees don’t aim to please the media or fans who haven’t even seen any of these kids in person.

  266. CRAWDADDY (Boycott ESPN-NY) June 8th, 2010 at 2:39 pm

    Let’s not forget that Lester was drafted by Duquette not Theo.

  267. SJ44 June 8th, 2010 at 2:40 pm

    None of you have any idea if it’s an “awful” draft or not.

    You are sounding laughingly ignorant.

    Nobody is getting fired.

    Grow up, get a clue, and go away.

    You have no idea what you are talking about.

  268. Bronx Born June 8th, 2010 at 2:41 pm

    I am still trying to figure out how we had a horrible draft. How do you know this? Have you actually seen the player play?

  269. Billy D June 8th, 2010 at 2:42 pm

    “Let’s not forget that Lester was drafted by Duquette not Theo.”

    He wasn’t drafted by either. Duquette was already fired and Epstein wasn’t granted the job yet. I believe Mike Port was running the draft for Henry & Co. that year.

  270. YankeeRay June 8th, 2010 at 2:42 pm

    Doreen – GTLU Stuff & Photos June 8th, 2010 at 2:30 pm
    I have the following people submitting lineups for GTLU so far today:

    Erica
    Warning Track Power
    NYY626
    upstate kate
    YankeeRay*
    CT23
    Trevor
    Unknown
    YanksfaninPA
    RayVT
    fran (the original)

    —–

    Why do I have an asteric next to my name? Because I have BOC (Tex) dropping to 5th?

  271. SportsGeek June 8th, 2010 at 2:42 pm

    GTLU

    Jeter SS
    Swisher RF
    Teixeira 1B
    A-Rod 3B
    Cano 2B
    Posada DH
    Granderson CF
    Cervelli C
    Gardner LF

    Thanks Doreen

  272. Jeremy June 8th, 2010 at 2:43 pm

    Really ! How many of these guys are going to make it to the major leagues ? All these players we are looking at right now will not be around years from now.

  273. Fran (the oriignal) June 8th, 2010 at 2:43 pm

    Doreen,

    Having computer and Blackberry issues so not sure if you got my line-up. If this is a duplicate, sorry.
    Safe travels. Thanks.

    Derek SS
    Swisher RF
    Tex 1B
    Alex 3B
    Robbie 2B
    Jorge C
    Curtis CF
    Cisco C
    Gardner LF

  274. SJ44 June 8th, 2010 at 2:44 pm

    The Red Sox aren’t even going to sign all the guys they have taken.

    That’s why having childish fits over this is hysterical.

    It shows the ignorance many of the chlidren on here have regarding the baseball draft.

  275. vblade June 8th, 2010 at 2:44 pm

    Unless you’ve seen these kids play on a baseball field for an extended period of time, your opinions about the draft essentially means nothing. This includes all knowing organizations like BA.

  276. Just Sayin' June 8th, 2010 at 2:44 pm

    Boston picks up a ton of big-time, signability guys

    ——————————–

    signability means signability issues. this is not a good thing.

    it means the guy has clearly stated that it’s going to take x amount of dollars to deter him from going to college.

  277. Joe from Long Island June 8th, 2010 at 2:44 pm

    We need more garlic.

  278. Erica in NY June 8th, 2010 at 2:45 pm

    pat June 8th, 2010 at 2:36 pm
    Erica

    This Tweets for you?..

    sesamestreet Cookie Monster: Most misunderstood cookie fact: too many cookies NOT bad for you. It true! EATING too many cookies, now dat another story.

    And before someone asks, no I don?t follow Sesame Street. A Yankee beat writer retweeted it.
    ******************

    Sesame Street is on Twitter??!?!??! How did I not know about this??

    And thanks for sharing! (Cookie Monster is absolutely correct)

  279. Doreen - GTLU Stuff & Photos June 8th, 2010 at 2:47 pm

    YankeeRay -

    I wanted to make sure you wanted to play. The asterisk was a reminder to myself to talk to you, but as you can see, I forgot anyway! :lol:

    Also I wanted to comment that if Tex is performing BOC, then is there a reason to move him down?

    And this is in no way a critique – just thoughts occurring to me as I put the lineups in. :)

  280. Betsy - Hughes rules (Pleading the Fifth) June 8th, 2010 at 2:48 pm

    I thought he kind of looked like Tex, lol

  281. MTU (aka GBURL) June 8th, 2010 at 2:48 pm

    Joe-

    just take it up a notch.

    Go to the crucifix next.

    Hold it out in front of you.

    We’ll go from there. ;)

  282. Nat June 8th, 2010 at 2:48 pm

    Sox draft Kendrick Perkins

  283. Betsy - Hughes rules (Pleading the Fifth) June 8th, 2010 at 2:49 pm

    Stuckey, you’re reading way too much into things. I am not waiting for any shoe to drop – on Phil or anyone else.

  284. Tyler June 8th, 2010 at 2:49 pm

    Lol the Red Sox took a guy named Kendrick Perkins. They must be a little confused on what sport they play. Watching too many C’s games. :)

  285. Tom in N.J. June 8th, 2010 at 2:49 pm

    4th-Mason Williams, CF

    5th-Thomas Kahnle, rhp

  286. CRAWDADDY (Boycott ESPN-NY) June 8th, 2010 at 2:50 pm

    “He wasn’t drafted by either. Duquette was already fired and Epstein wasn’t granted the job yet. I believe Mike Port was running the draft for Henry & Co. that year.”

    Well, he was drafted by Duquette’s guys who didn’t get replaced into Theo came on board.

  287. Billy D June 8th, 2010 at 2:50 pm

    “Sox draft Kendrick Perkins”

    No way they can pay him more than the Celtics.

  288. Betsy - Hughes rules (Pleading the Fifth) June 8th, 2010 at 2:50 pm

    Jeremy, all I said was that Buchholz (and probably Price) are the leaders to start the ASG. Even if it was Phil, I do not think Joe would pick Phil to start – Andy is a different story. Then again, he might prefer not to have him throw 3 innings given his elbow problems from earlier this year. I don’t know – I have no idea what Joe would do or what he’s thinking now.

  289. CountryClub June 8th, 2010 at 2:52 pm

    Where are all the BA lovers? the last 2 rounds the Yanks drafted players that BA had rated way higher than where they were picked. Why arent the Yanks getting patted on the back for drafting “steals”.

    For the record, I can care less about BA. But the BA lovers cant have it both ways. Dont rip the Yanks for reaching on a player and then not applaud when they get players well past where BA had them rated.

  290. Tom in N.J. June 8th, 2010 at 2:52 pm

    Kahnle:

    Bio
    School: Lynn University
    Drafted: Eligible for 2010 Draft
    Scouting Report: Kahnle works as a starter now, but his all-out style is better suited to the pen. He’s a big guy, thickly built but squat, like Eric Gagne, and airs it out on every pitch. He comes from a high 3/4 slot and sits 92-94 as a starter, although in relief on the Cape he touched 98 and would probably sit 94-96 if used in that role for an entire season. His two main drawbacks as a starter candidate are his lack of a second pitch — he tries to throw a curveball but has no feel for it — and below-average command, as he’s missing Division 2 bats now on velocity, but frequently works out of the zone. He’ll flash a changeup and that’s more likely to become an average pitch than the curve, and he could be an above-average reliever in the majors with the plus fastball, an average change, his preference for attacking hitters. ~espn.com

    http://www.baseballrumormill.c.....my-kahnle/

  291. m June 8th, 2010 at 2:53 pm

    Betsy,

    I think you get that kind of responses because you put out a lot of “qualifying” statements about Phil. You tend to compare him to other pitchers. I know you think people are picking on you, but a lot of us get the same kind of vibe from your comments. You just seem to be really concerned about this or that when it comes to Phil. Based on the tone and volume of your comments.

    So, I can understand why you get irritated with what people say to you. But they’re responding to you based on what you say.

  292. baseballfab June 8th, 2010 at 2:53 pm

    SJ44, honest question, are you a fan of baseball? Do you work for the Yankees? Are you a professional writer, scout, or employee of any baseball team?

  293. YankeeRay June 8th, 2010 at 2:53 pm

    Doreen – GTLU Stuff & Photos June 8th, 2010 at 2:47 pm
    YankeeRay -

    I wanted to make sure you wanted to play. The asterisk was a reminder to myself to talk to you, but as you can see, I forgot anyway!

    Also I wanted to comment that if Tex is performing BOC, then is there a reason to move him down?

    And this is in no way a critique ? just thoughts occurring to me as I put the lineups in.

    ——

    LOL, yes I wanted to play and that would be my line up if Joe let me fill it out. I have a good friend in South Florida who is friends with Girardi and I’m trying to get him to give me his cell number so I can text him my GTLU.

    And yes if Tex was hitting BOC stats then I would keep him at 3 but he’s not. My true feeling is that dating back to last September Tex is not a better hitter than Cano or Arod and to me you put your best 2 hitters in the 3/4 spots.
    I am a big Tex fan but prefer at this point to see him bat 5th.

  294. CountryClub June 8th, 2010 at 2:53 pm

    Between showcase events last summer and fall and the spring season, Gabe Encinas boosted his stock significantly by improving his conditioning and mechanics. At 6-foot-4 and 200 pounds, he now looks the part of the classic lanky and projectable high school righthander. His stuff didn’t significantly improve, but he can maintain it deep into starts now. Encinas delivers a fastball that sits comfortably in the 90-92 mph range, and he shows a nice feel for mixing in a crisp curveball and changeup, which is probably the best changeup among Southern California prepsters. With smooth mechanics and an advanced feel for pitching, Encinas does an excellent job of mixing pitches, speeds and locations, and altering pitch sequences from at-bat at-bat. The large flock of scouts who started following Encinas this spring—particularly in games against top prospects Angelo Gumbs and Austin Wilson—did not seem to faze him. He profiles as a mid-rotation starter, and a future bump in velocity could even improve that outlook. He’s committed to Loyola Marymount.

  295. Joe from Long Island June 8th, 2010 at 2:54 pm

    MTU – that was funny.

    I’ll have to go get mine, to keep at the ready for the game thread tonight. lol

  296. Tom in N.J. June 8th, 2010 at 2:55 pm

    Mason Williams, of
    West Orange HS, Winter Garden, Fla.

    Williams pitches and plays center field and led West Orange High to its deepest playoff run in school history. While he competes hard on the mound, his slight 6-foot-1, 160-pound frame and sidearm delivery don’t get scouts excited. His hitting ability, speed and overall athletic ability do. His build evokes Doug Glanville comparisons, and Williams has some strength and a surprising feel for hitting for a high school outfielder. He’s shown polish to his approach and makes consistent, hard contact with a fundamentally sound swing. His speed stands out as well, and scouts have seen him consistently above-average and occasionally even better. He has excellent range in center field as well and has above-average potential defensively with solid arm strength. Power is his only true below-average tool. Williams has the athletic ability and the skill to go out in the first three rounds, and his commitment to South Carolina wasn’t seen as a hindrance to his signability.

    http://waswatching.com/2010/06.....010-draft/

  297. Josh June 8th, 2010 at 2:55 pm

    “5th-Thomas Kahnle, rhp”

    Sounds very similar to Brian Bruney – good fastball, no secondary pitch, below average command.

    Sigh… getting really hard to get excited about this draft. Why we we drafting a future reliever with control problems in the 5th round?

  298. Patrick June 8th, 2010 at 2:56 pm

    Bucholz starting ASG? No way…

    Honestly there is no one guy except Cliff Lee that has been far and away better than everyone else. The only problem there is that Lee missed a month which will limit his chances at starting the game.

    So basically unless Lee continues at this pace for another month you can’t really go wrong with him, Price, Liriano, Romero, Hughes, Pettitte, etc.

  299. pat June 8th, 2010 at 2:56 pm

    YankeesWFAN Yanks out for early hitting and Posada wearing the gear first time since coming off DL.

  300. m June 8th, 2010 at 2:58 pm

    So who starts for the NL? Jiminez or Strasburg? :lol:

    pat,

    Good news!

  301. Patrick from CT June 8th, 2010 at 2:58 pm

    Doreen,

    Jeter-ss
    Swish-rf
    Tex-1b
    Arod-3b
    Cano-2b
    Posoda-dh
    Granderson-cf
    Cirvelli-C
    Gardner-lf

  302. Tom in N.J. June 8th, 2010 at 2:58 pm

    Gabriel Encinas

    Summary: Encinas is an intriguing, if not elite, right-handed pitching prospect from the California high school ranks. He’s got a good sinking fastball that induces plenty of ground balls. While his secondary stuff is more inconsistent, he does a terrific job of pounding the strike zone and going right after hitters. He’s got plenty of room for growth in that 6-foot-4 frame, and a team that wants to dream on that projection might take a shot with him.

    http://mlb.mlb.com/video/play......id=7334893

  303. Irreverent Discourse June 8th, 2010 at 2:59 pm

    patrick – he missed a month but has just as many innings pitched as almost every other starter in contention. read: irrelevant.

  304. rodg12 June 8th, 2010 at 2:59 pm

    Pat M -
    Have you seen either of these Cali kids the Yanks took play? Gumbs or the recently drafted Gabe Encinas??

  305. ITC 99 June 8th, 2010 at 2:59 pm

    Encinas sounds like Adam Warren

    Decent pick.

  306. Betsy - Hughes rules (Pleading the Fifth) June 8th, 2010 at 3:00 pm

    M, I never said anyone was picking on me – I said Stuckey was reading too much into my comment. I stand by what I said – it’s too early for me personally to be thinking all-star game because there are still a few weeks left to go before the game. I’m not comparing Phil to anyone ……….others have done it for me (Buchholz, Pelfrey). I don’t know enough about pitching to determine who is better than who, so I would never dare to compare anyone.

  307. YankeeRay June 8th, 2010 at 3:00 pm

    pat June 8th, 2010 at 2:56 pm
    YankeesWFAN Yanks out for early hitting and Posada wearing the gear first time since coming off DL.

    ——

    Good news now dump Moehler and bring Miranda back until we make a trade.

  308. rodg12 June 8th, 2010 at 3:00 pm

    GTLU
    ———————-
    Jeter – SS
    Swisher – RF
    Teixeira – 1B
    Rodriguez – 3B
    Cano – 2B
    Posada – DH
    Granderson – CF
    Cervelli – C
    Gardner – LF

    Thanks Doreen!!!

  309. Doreen - GTLU Stuff & Photos June 8th, 2010 at 3:01 pm

    Today’s Guess the Line Up is Now Closed.

    I will update standings, etc, asap, which may not be that “s.” :)

    Thanks, everyone, for playing.

  310. rodg12 June 8th, 2010 at 3:01 pm

    SJ,

    Have you seen Mason Williams play down there in FLA? Any insights?

  311. Patrick June 8th, 2010 at 3:01 pm

    Irrelevant,

    I’d pick Lee to start the ASG as well, if the game was played tomorrow. Just saying that Girardi or whoever picks the starter is probably going to take into account the missed month, even with the comparable innings totals.

    Now if Lee continues to dominate for another month, maybe Girardi picks him.

  312. SMK June 8th, 2010 at 3:02 pm

    Meanwhile, in Minneapolis, MN, one Twins executive says to another, “We did it! We actually convinced the Yankees that we were going to draft Cito Culver in the second round. They spent a first-round pick on him!”

    Hearty laughter ensues. Both men light cigars.

    The laughter continues.

  313. stuckey June 8th, 2010 at 3:03 pm

    “Stuckey, you’re reading way too much into things. I am not waiting for any shoe to drop – on Phil or anyone else.”

    Fair enough. I just gotta believe your “gut feeling” about Hughes perhaps not even making the All-Star game and Buccholz starting it is coming from somewhere…

    And this is despite Hughes manager making the decision.

    Just seems odd and somewhat outta nowhere.

  314. m June 8th, 2010 at 3:04 pm

    Betsy,

    Fair enough. But your posts “project” worry. And that’s why you get the responses you get.

    You may think people are reading you wrong. But everyone is reading you the same way. :P

    It’s all good. You stand by what you say.

  315. Rick June 8th, 2010 at 3:04 pm

    I never understood why some of these kids are so committed to college.

    A 17 year old kid could be financially set for life, just by his signing bonus! Even if he doesn’t make it in baseball, he is spotted a couple million dollars.

    Why would they risk it to go to college for 1 or 2 years? Why not take the money up front?

  316. pat June 8th, 2010 at 3:04 pm

    Ledger_Yankees Tony Pena bouncing balls at Jorge Posada. Looks like “catching activity” to me.

  317. Billy D June 8th, 2010 at 3:04 pm

    “Even if it was Phil, I do not think Joe would pick Phil to start – Andy is a different story. Then again, he might prefer not to have him throw 3 innings given his elbow problems from earlier this year.”

    Betsy:

    Last time anyone pitched 3 innings in an allstar game was pre Wild Card, so we don’t have to worry about that. I think Patrick and ID are correct in saying Lee has made the best case to be the game’s AL starter. However, Lee started for the AL in 2008, so if Pettitte continues his success of 2010 thru the month of June, it wouldn’t shock me to see Girardi give Pettitte the start as sort of a “Lifetime Achievement/You’re having a kick ass season” award.

  318. Irreverent Discourse June 8th, 2010 at 3:05 pm

    patrick – i’m not irrelevant… damnit :p

  319. rodg12 June 8th, 2010 at 3:06 pm

    7th rounder….

    Taylor (Jake) Anderson, CF from Woodlawn HS in Louisiana.

    Another HS up the middle athlete.

  320. Betsy - Hughes rules (Pleading the Fifth) June 8th, 2010 at 3:06 pm

    Stuckey, I don’t recall saying I had a gut feeling Phil wouldn’t make the all-star team; I think I said I had a gut feeling that Joe might not pitch him.

    M, not for me they don’t; if people want to project worry onto my posts, that’s their thing. My comment about it being too early to think of any pitchers as ASG locks is as straighforward as it gets.

  321. m June 8th, 2010 at 3:06 pm

    And you never said that people are picking on you. But you respond to everyone with that kind of tone.

    Another thing, haven’t you been saying that you hoped that Girardi wouldn’t let Phil pitch in the ASG? That you preferred he rest? Or was that someone else?

  322. Jason Voorhees June 8th, 2010 at 3:07 pm

    The ASG starter isn’t always based purely on current stats. Jimenez, obviously, will start (barring a pre-ASG breakdown) because he is god-like at this point.

    My example is the 2009 ASG. Greinke had the best stats up to that point, but they went with Halladay because, well, he’s Roy Halladay. Yes, he was also pitching well, but Greinke had the better numbers.

    It’s a mix of stats and reverence.

  323. Betsy - Hughes rules (Pleading the Fifth) June 8th, 2010 at 3:08 pm

    Billy, maybe so. It’s not that important to me ,but I still wouldn’t award the start to Lee.

  324. Patrick June 8th, 2010 at 3:08 pm

    patrick – i’m not irrelevant… damnit :p

    Sorry about that

    “Hearty laughter ensues. Both men light cigars.”

    Brian Cashman signs Hanley Ramirez after the 2014 season, well before Culver is ready for the majors. Cash then trades Culver for Joe Mauer and makes him the back-up catcher behind Jesus Montero.

  325. vblade June 8th, 2010 at 3:09 pm

    # SMK June 8th, 2010 at 3:02 pm

    Meanwhile, in Minneapolis, MN, one Twins executive says to another, “We did it! We actually convinced the Yankees that we were going to draft Cito Culver in the second round. They spent a first-round pick on him!”

    Hearty laughter ensues. Both men light cigars.

    The laughter continues.

    ————

    Terry Ryan, a highly regarded Twins scout, took a plane flight just to see Culver play.

    So while your story aimed to entertain, it is just another baseless attempt to bash the legitimate process in which the Yankees choose their draftees.

  326. rodg12 June 8th, 2010 at 3:09 pm

    Jason -
    Also have to factor in when a guy pitched last.

  327. Betsy - Hughes rules (Pleading the Fifth) June 8th, 2010 at 3:09 pm

    M, what is the point in continuing this? I don’t agree that that is how I’m responding to people, but I’m not going to try and convince you.

  328. Patrick June 8th, 2010 at 3:10 pm

    Billy, maybe so. It’s not that important to me ,but I still wouldn’t award the start to Lee.

    Why? Even missing a month he’s been significantly more valuable than any other pitcher in the AL.

  329. SJ44 June 8th, 2010 at 3:10 pm

    Haven’t seen the Williams kid play.

    Have seen the pitcher from Lynn several times.

    Classic closer/late innings arm. He’s a sleeper pick.

    Should have gone earlier based on his skills.

  330. m June 8th, 2010 at 3:10 pm

    Betsy,

    Sorry, I’m jumbling this all up. I’m not talking just about your exchange with Stuckey.

    And you have said in the past, “Lots of people are saying the same thing, I don’t know why I get singled out.” So I think that’s where I get the vibe from.

    And you’re correct, it’s other people’s problem if they’re reading you wrong. But I wanted you to understand why people respond to you the way that they do. Lots of people are reading you the same way, even if it’s not what you meant.

  331. rodg12 June 8th, 2010 at 3:12 pm

    Scouting Report on Gabe Encinas from MLB….

    Fastball: Encinas throws his fastball 88-92 mph.

    Fastball movement: He’s got plenty of life with heavy sink to his fastball.

    Curve: It’s not a true curve, but he’ll throw a few really good 10-to-4 breaking balls in the low 70s in a game. It flattens at times because of his arm slot.

    Changeup: He doesn’t show this often, but he’ll throw it with decent arm speed and good life and sink on it. It could be an average pitch in the future.

    Control: He throws strikes and gets ground balls.

    Poise: His attitude and mentality might be his best trait. He goes right after hitters and has the kind of presence that might work well in a relief role.

    Physical Description: Encinas has a good, lively body. He has a think upper body with broad shoulders. There’s plenty of room for growth.

    Medical Update: Healthy.

    Strengths: Terrific competitive nature on the mound; goes right after hitters. Chance to have three average pitches, all of which he’ll throw for strikes.

    Weaknesses: He doesn’t pitch from a downhill plane like a 6-foot-4 pitcher should. He drops and drives too much in his delivery.

    Summary: Encinas is an intriguing, if not elite, right-handed pitching prospect from the California high school ranks. He’s got a good sinking fastball that induces plenty of ground balls. While his secondary stuff is more inconsistent, he does a terrific job of pounding the strike zone and going right after hitters. He’s got plenty of room for growth in that 6-foot-4 frame, and a team that wants to dream on that projection might take a shot with him.

  332. m June 8th, 2010 at 3:12 pm

    Betsy,

    Just saw your last post. I’ll forget it if you can, too. ;)

  333. Irreverent Discourse June 8th, 2010 at 3:13 pm

    billy D – i can definitely see girardi doing that with pettitte, but something tells me that andy will be requesting to not be on the roster so he can spend the weekend with his family.

  334. m June 8th, 2010 at 3:13 pm

    Oops. ^^That wasn’t supposed to sound so snarky. I just meant I hope you can forget what I said.

  335. rodg12 June 8th, 2010 at 3:14 pm

    Thanks for the info, SJ. I’m liking our draft so far. Lots of athletes with upside. A couple projectable college kids. Good mix.

  336. Betsy - Hughes rules (Pleading the Fifth) June 8th, 2010 at 3:15 pm

    I didn’t think it sounded snarky, M :)

  337. Jeremy June 8th, 2010 at 3:16 pm

    Clay starting the All Star Game ? LOL !

    He i having a good year but he shouldn’t start the All Star Game. Also I doubt Joe would pick him to start it.

  338. Tom in N.J. June 8th, 2010 at 3:17 pm

    Has anyone heard from Nick today?

    I hope he’s not wandering around SF waiting for the darkness to respond.

  339. Dylan June 8th, 2010 at 3:18 pm

    I hate when people say these picks are “good” or “terrible”. The Yankees are drafting 17 year old high school players! We have NO IDEA how good these guys can be. It obvious that the Yankees strategy is to draft good athletes with high potentials, but that aren’t anywhere close to being ready for the big leagues. The Yankees farm system is very good right now. We don’t need anyone of these picks to contribute any time soon. I like the strategy the Yankees are using. They are trying to stock their farm system for the future. If the Yankees did what a lot of the fools on here wanted, they might end up with a decent player or two but so what. The Yankees are taking chances on players that other teams might not know about. That how you find great sleeper picks. Shouldn’t we trust the Yankees scouts more than Baseball America?

  340. upstate kate June 8th, 2010 at 3:18 pm

    I thought I reador heard somewhere that Andy’s kids really want him to be in the AllStar game…something about they were too young to properly appreciate it the last time he went.
    and I would certainly pick Phil over Bucky

  341. Billy D June 8th, 2010 at 3:21 pm

    “billy D – i can definitely see girardi doing that with pettitte, but something tells me that andy will be requesting to not be on the roster so he can spend the weekend with his family.”

    Good point. I hope he goes. Be a nice way to honor him. Besides, it’s wrong that he’s tied for 3rd place on the team in allstar game innings pitched………….with Chan Ho Park.

  342. Tom in N.J. June 8th, 2010 at 3:21 pm

    Kyle Roller, 1b

  343. m June 8th, 2010 at 3:22 pm

    Good! :)

    Okay, it’s my turn to worry. Not happy about facing a winless pitcher. The odds aren’t in our favor. Even though Accuscore says otherwise. :P

  344. Betsy - Hughes rules (Pleading the Fifth) June 8th, 2010 at 3:23 pm

    Tyler Morton, TN

    From RAB:

    Taylor Morton, RHP, Bartlett HS (Tenn.)
    Morton made a bit of a name for himself during last summer?s Tournament of Stars showcase event by striking out Bryce Harper, but he was an interesting prospect long before that garnered him some attention. Listed at a sturdy 6-foot-2, 190 lbs, Morton sits in the low-90?s with his fastball and has dialed it up as high as 95 on occasion, and there?s reason to believe he?ll add more velocity as he fills out. Unlike most high schoolers, his best secondary pitch is circle change that comes in around the high-70?s and fades away from lefties, and he also offers a loopy low-70?s curveball that he?ll need to tightened up.

    Morton?s strength is his strong command, which stems from his athleticism and ability to repeat a sound delivery. He?s unique considering that most prep pitchers have nothing that resembles a changeup when they turn pro, so that hurdle has already been cleared. Given the Yanks historical success with teaching their prospects curveballs, there?s hope for his third pitch. Committed to Tennessee, Morton is expected to hear his named called somewhere in the 5th or 6th round.

  345. Jeremy June 8th, 2010 at 3:23 pm

    I believe that Phil will make it. And I’m tired of hearing some Yankee fans trash their team while talking about how great the Sox farm system is and how Clay is beating Phil right now when that is not the case.

  346. MTU (aka GBURL) June 8th, 2010 at 3:24 pm

    Tom-

    Holy Roller, preacher :)

  347. Tom in N.J. June 8th, 2010 at 3:24 pm

    FWIW, Kyle Roller was the MVP of the 2009 Cape Cod league. He’s a lefty power bat who can rake, so it seems.

  348. Betsy - Hughes rules (Pleading the Fifth) June 8th, 2010 at 3:25 pm

    M, Millwood is a good pitcher – it’s no gimme. One thing to take note of: this will be the phirst time Phil has ever pitched back to back games against the same team. It will be interesting to see how he approaches the O’s. Secondly, yes – he gets a lot of run support, but much of that is in the late innings. The A’s, O’s (first game), White Sox and Detroit games were all close until late……..

  349. SJ44 June 8th, 2010 at 3:25 pm

    Its a thin draft this year.

    Once you get past the first 3-4 guys, the next 150 guys are pretty much interchangable.

    You have a lot of college arms but, not the quality of last year.

    You have a lot of HS kids with really good college offers. Meaning, they want big money to turn pro or they aren’t signing.

    You have a lot of toolsy HS kids, such as the guys the Angels and Yankees have drafted, who you try and develop over the next 3-5 years and see what you have.

    When you look at what’s missing in the Yankees farm system, its these type of athletes.

    That’s why they are drafting them.

  350. Patrick June 8th, 2010 at 3:29 pm

    I like most of the picks the Yanks have made thus far. It seems like several of these guys have good futures ahead of them.

  351. MTU (aka GBURL) June 8th, 2010 at 3:32 pm

    When you’re sifting through the sands you never know where you’ll find a diamond. ;)

  352. m June 8th, 2010 at 3:33 pm

    WoW! 8-1 against the Orioles so far? We better balance that out with some good wins against winning teams.

    Almost back to back with Boston was tougher than this will be imo.

    And yes, Phil has had enormous run support, tops in the AL (majors?) I believe. But for the most part he hasn’t needed it. He’s given up 0 runs (twice), 1 run (3 times), 2 runs (3 times), and 4 runs once and 5 runs once. Outstanding.

  353. Betsy - Hughes rules (Pleading the Fifth) June 8th, 2010 at 3:34 pm

    Ben Gamel, Bishop Kenny HS. FL.

  354. upstate kate June 8th, 2010 at 3:34 pm

    actually I am excited the Yankees picked a guy from upstate NY (altho still down state for me!)

  355. Billy D June 8th, 2010 at 3:35 pm

    “Ben Gamel, Bishop Kenny HS. FL”

    Any relationship to Matt Gamel?

  356. pat June 8th, 2010 at 3:35 pm

    BloggingBombers NYY lineup vs BAL 6/8: Jeter 6, Swisher 9, Teixeira 3, Rodriguez 5, Cano 4, Posada DH, Granderson 8, Cervelli 2, Gardner 7, Hughes 1

  357. Betsy - Hughes rules (Pleading the Fifth) June 8th, 2010 at 3:36 pm

    M, yes – my point, though, was that Phil has gotten that runs support late in games after he’s pitched most of these games without a big cushion. I love the run support, though, lol

  358. MTU (aka GBURL) June 8th, 2010 at 3:36 pm

    Pat-

    The “A” team. :)

  359. Betsy - Hughes rules (Pleading the Fifth) June 8th, 2010 at 3:37 pm

    I don’t know who Matt Gamel is, but he’s his brother

  360. Erica in NY June 8th, 2010 at 3:38 pm

    New thread :arrow:
    Line up!

  361. pat June 8th, 2010 at 3:39 pm

    Upstate Kate

    Rochester is pretty much upstate to anyone who doesn’t say “eh”, no? :wink:

  362. Billy D June 8th, 2010 at 3:39 pm

    “I don’t know who Matt Gamel is, but he’s his brother”

    Gamel is a 24 year old mostly hitting prospect for the Brewers who doesn’t seem to have a position.

  363. Tyler June 8th, 2010 at 3:39 pm

    Mat gamel’s a Brewers prospect who in the past has been pretty highly touted along with Alcides Escobar.

  364. Tyler June 8th, 2010 at 3:41 pm

    Yes and he’s a terrible 3rd baseman who can’t play
    LF due to Ryan Braun

  365. Damon enjoy 27....think 28 June 8th, 2010 at 3:45 pm

    FYI:

    http://www.bostondirtdogs.com calling out sox fans for Cano getting more votes than Pedroia

    Mariners dropped Chone Figgins from the #2 spot to 9th. That took guts!!

    LAA took over 1st place last night in their division from the Rangers.

    Papelbon sits out with stiff back.

  366. nck June 8th, 2010 at 4:56 pm

    Why are people calling him a sleeper?? A sleeper is a guy who gets drafted LATE and is a FINDm, but if he fails, its kinda expected. If THIS kid fails, he’s gonna be a BUST. A SLEEPER can NEVER be a BUST.

    And, this guys stats…………………..what would they be like if he played in a REAL league??

  367. Bill Cosby June 8th, 2010 at 5:20 pm

    guess I just struggle with why you put so much emphasis on who is ahead in Internet perception.

    The Yankees inarguably the more successful franchise either long-term or now short-term, they’re more successful at this moment in time and frankly I like the Yankees prospects better over the next couple of years.

    Why does it matter than there are people on the internet who’d like to argue otherwise?

    ======
    I don’t know, why does it matter so much to you to shut them all up?
    It’s like you can’t stand the noise of the debate, so why not just take a powder yourself?
    Why have a Yankee discussion board at all?
    For that matter, let’s shut down the internet!
    For someone so indifferent and above it all, you sure come with the high heat and the strain and stress of the self-made reformer.
    Lucky Betsey, she found someone so wise to set her straight!


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