Girardi names all-star staff
Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Misc on Jun 10, 2010 
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Here’s the American League portion of the announcement from Major League Baseball. Charlie Manuel named San Diego’s Bud Black and San Francisco’s Bruce Bochy to the NL staff.
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Joe Girardi has named Angels manager Mike Scioscia and Oakland Athletics skipper Bob Geren as the A.L. coaches. Scioscia, a two-time All-Star as a player, managed the A.L. All-Stars in 2003 and served as an A.L. coach in 2002. Geren, a San Diego native, has led the A’s since 2007 and will be in the A.L. dugout for the Midsummer Classic for the first time.
Girardi’s Yankees coaches – pitching coach Dave Eiland, bullpen coach Mike Harkey, first base coach Mick Kelleher, hitting coach Kevin Long, bench coach Tony Peña and third base coach Rob Thomson – will comprise his staff along with Angels head certified athletic trainer Ned Bergert and Seattle Mariners head athletic trainer Rick Griffin.
any word on whats up with eiland?
Girardi named Eiland but it seems doubtful he will be there.
I’m not sure I get why Geren – just because he’s a catcher?
ID-
The last thing I heard on Eiland was that the personal leave was not for Medical reasons.
No return date- it’s an indefinite leave.
I wonder what is wrong with Eiland? If it’s not an illness could it be a divorce?
Betsy,
Probably because he’s a San Diego native.
Irreverent Discourse June 10th, 2010 at 4:13 pm
any word on whats up with eiland?
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I think it was Feinsand who reported that he’s dealing with a family issue, and it’s not medical related.
And I think Girardi said the other day that he still doesn’t know when he’ll be back.
# mick June 10th, 2010 at 4:14 pm
# Betsy – Hughes rules (Pleading the Fifth) June 10th, 2010 at 4:13 pm
No bias, Mick ? I just think many Yankee fans are spoiled brats.
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Does that include you?
Seems like the mgrs named coaches from West Coast teams, maybe because the game is in California?
MTU beat me to it.
Bob Geren resembles a muppet. Which one I can’t say, but he certainly has muppet-like qualities.
Now, he doesn’t take it to Eric Wedge levels, but if you’re completely honest, you’ll admit it’s true.
it appears both NL and AL managers have named CA managers, probably as a courtesy as the game is in CA
one man gathers what another man spills June 10th, 2010 at 4:17 pm
Bob Geren resembles a muppet. Which one I can?t say, but he certainly has muppet-like qualities.
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Sounds good to me.
Erin-
I’m from the West. We’re quick on the draw.
Geren=a former Yankee.
repost:
http://joeposnanski.si.com/201.....after-bad/
ZOMG Burnett doesn’t like pitching to Cervelli! Moeller is the new Molina!
Mick-
Whatever Eiland’s issue was it required immediate and enduring attention. Of that we can be certain.
What do you think it is MTU?
What’s the deal with Eiland? I hope he gets back soon. How will Joba and Hughsie pitch well with out his calming influence?
Mick-
I think he hit Lotto and just said Eff it I don’t need to work anymore.
Patrick- don’t even go there
NYYROC June 10th, 2010 at 3:56 pm
The info you can get on the net is a blessing and a curse. The stats are great but a person can get so caught up in the #s that you “forget to watch the game”. When I was a kid I didn’t know what Bob Gibson’s average FB velocity was. I didn’t know how many pitches Juan Marichal had nor did I know what % of pitches did Guidry throw his slider. I just saw pitchers who got guys out game after game and I knew they were good. Sometimes it’s just better to use the “eyeball test” and watch the games.
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That’s two great pitchers there. Marichal either threw 6 pitches or 18, depending on how you count them. 2 fastballsl, curve, slider, changeup and a screwball. He threw them all from straight over the top, 3/4 arm and sidearm and they all did different things. The high kicking Dominican was something to watch. It’s a pity that he’s only remembered for one thing, but, because of guys like Koufax, Drysdale, Ford, Carlton, Gibson and later McLain and Seaver, he was almost totally overlooked as one of the dominnant pitchers of his era. Gibson was just plain nasty
See here, Eiland is not currently with the yankees because he is away in a personal matter, meaning if it was not personal he would be he wouldnt be away
I think it’s an illness.
Mick-
an illness is a medical matter isn’t it ? That was ruled out.
over the top, 3/4 arm and sidearm and they all did different things. The high kicking Dominican was something to watch. It’s a pity that he’s only remembered for one thing, but, because of guys like Koufax, Drysdale, Ford, Carlton, Gibson and later McLain and Seaver, he was almost totally overlooked as one of the dominnant pitchers of his era. Gibson was just plain nasty
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Do you think Marichal was underrated?
GB-
Gibson was ridiculous. One of my faves.
Never understood why total strangers have the need to know everything about the private lives of others. It’s nobody’s business. Even worse them those that demand to know, are those that speculate or make wild allegations.
# MTU (aka GBURL) June 10th, 2010 at 4:30 pm
Mick-
an illness is a medical matter isn’t it ? That was ruled out.
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Maybe they don’t want to disclose it, ever think of that?
Never understood why total strangers have the need to know everything about the private lives of others. It’s nobody’s business. Even worse them those that demand to know, are those that speculate or make wild allegations.
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You aren’t curious at all?
Marichal was totally underrated. He was a sensational pitcher. Never appreciated outside of San Francisco, but, he was as good a money pitcher as there was.
Fergie Jenkins was underrated as well.
Mick-
I did but then they simply would be lying and I do not think they need to do that.
They could just refuse to get into details and leave it at that.
Being obsessed over other peoples private lives is an illness.
I have no desire to know what Eiland’s or any other ball player/anybody’s personal issues are. It’s none of my business.
# 56Bomber June 10th, 2010 at 4:34 pm
Being obsessed over other peoples private lives is an illness.
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Are you calling America sick?
With all the Strasburg talk, during last night’s game Singleton mentioned Marichal’s debut in 1952(?). I don’t remember the exact stats Kenny gave but they were outstanding. Something like CG, 2 H, SO, a lot of Ks.
So if Girardi walked away from the team tomorrow, you wouldn’t want to know why?
# 56Bomber June 10th, 2010 at 4:34 pm
Being obsessed over other peoples private lives is an illness.
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Unfortunately we are dealing with an epidemic then because there are enough people in this country who fit into that category so that magazines like US Weekly and shows like The Insider, Entertainment Weekly and of course the infamous TMZ are all very popular.
Let’s face it, the sooner Jorge gets behind the plate, the better.
Hopefully by this w/e he’s ready to assume the ‘tools of ignorance’.
Unfortunately we are dealing with an epidemic then because there are enough people in this country who fit into that category so that magazines like US Weekly and shows like The Insider, Entertainment Weekly and of course the infamous TMZ are all very popular.
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Yep.
What about the sychophants that drool over Jerry Springer. People who take their private lives public, the trashier the better.
The way that Jonathan Albaladejo and Boone logan are pitching in Scranton, one or both deserve a shot at pitching in NY. Chad Gaudin has proven the decision to let him go after spring training was the correct move. Whatever he last year is gone, and so should he be.
Why does Boone Logan deserve a shot in NY? We’ve seen him here and he was horrible.
Albaladejo hasn’t been much better in his time with the Yankees.
If you put Chad Gaudin in AAA he would also put up numbers.
He’s the 12th man on the staff designed to pitch in blowout games or 12+ inning games.
He’s no factor on the team.
i dont think anyone would be excited to see albaladejo back in the bigs… ditto for logan.
there’s a reason they are good in triple a.
An example of how under rated Marichal was, in his career, he received 1 Cy Young vote.
This is really scary. Calling for Logan or Albaladejo.
Next thing you know someone will be calling for Igawa.
mick June 10th, 2010 at 4:39 pm
What about the sychophants that drool over Jerry Springer. People who take their private lives public, the trashier the better.
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You may enjoy that crap…I don’t. If you want to continue playing games with this, be my guest.
I think Posada needs to show he can hit again, before he’s handed the every day catcher job back. Right now, if you go with the best C, that’s Cervelli. The only reason Posada gets his job back is because he’s the vet. Jorge could be a good DH, but, right now he simply can not hit well enough to be an every day player. I hope he can come back, but right now he looks lost at the plate.
What year was the Marichal-Roseboro incident? Could that be the reason no writers gave him a Cy vote?
GB7, Wow just 1 vote!? I guess he didn’t have many friends among the voters. He did pitch in kind of a “golden age” of pitching in the NL. Guys like Koufax, Drysdale, Gibson, Jenkins et al were among his competition.
MTU (aka GBURL) June 10th, 2010 at 4:47 pm
This is really scary. Calling for Logan or Albaladejo.
Next thing you know someone will be calling for Igawa.
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Do not make fun of the all-time Scranton wins leader!
SJ44 June 10th, 2010 at 4:44 pm
He’s the 12th man on the staff designed to pitch in blowout games or 12+ inning games.
He’s no factor on the team.
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I wouldn’t say NO factor… taking the game he got the loss in from Toronto would have been nice.
And isn’t he considered the long man now now that Marte has theoretically moved into Aceves’ role? Wouldn’t it be nice to know that if our starter got hit hard or had to leave the game early that the 12th man on the staff could come in, eat innings and give our offense a chance to get back in the game?
# MTU (aka GBURL) June 10th, 2010 at 4:47 pm
This is really scary. Calling for Logan or Albaladejo.
Next thing you know someone will be calling for Igawa.
Indeed! Call up “The Iguana” and his fancy mirrored shades. The batters will be blinded by the light.
You may enjoy that crap…I don’t. If you want to continue playing games with this, be my guest.
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What the heck are you talking about? Did I say I liked the show?
GB7
In some ways the less TV coverage baseball got back then made it more special when you got to see someone like Marichal pitch on the game of the week.
NYYROC June 10th, 2010 at 4:37 pm
With all the Strasburg talk, during last night’s game Singleton mentioned Marichal’s debut in 1952(?). I don’t remember the exact stats Kenny gave but they were outstanding. Something like CG, 2 H, SO, a lot of Ks
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Marichal pitched in his first MLB game in 1960 against the Phillies. Complete game 1 hit shutout, 1 walk, 12 strikeouts.
Nobody has a good 12th man on a major league pitching staff. Its a non-issue.
Posada doesn’t have to “try out” for his job.
When he’s healthy enough to catch, he will catch.
Cervelli is hitting .180 the last 3 weeks. He’s also not tearing the cover off the ball.
Wow, runs scored in AL is down to 4.53 a game, the loweset level it’s been since 1992.
Phil Hughes gets 10% swing and misses on his cutter, its a good pitch. If any pitcher goes to the well too often they can get beat, especially a developing pitcher who has a new toy that is obviously very good.
Hughes in 3 years is going to absolutely destroy the league.
The Marichal/Roseboro incident happened in late August of ’65.
GB7, thanks for clarifying Marichal’s debut stats. Pretty impressive. You are right, he never gets talked about.
Leaving work soon.
Bye for now!
Russo and Moeller both faced Arrieta on May 4 and both got hits- 1-3 each. Arrieta got the win and went 5 innings, 2 hits, 2 runs, 5 walks, 3 Ks.
Boone Logan’s ERA with the Yankees was 5.06, which is far better than Gaudin’s. Yes, he is not a top reliver, but I’d rather see him come into a game than Gaudin, that’s all I’m saying. Gaudin’s ERA is 8.53.
GB-
I remember seeing Juan Marichal pitch and I always thought he was great.
Bick leg kick and then the ball was on the hitter.
Great use of deception as well as great stuff.
MikeSilvermanBB Ellsbury headed to AZ-Athletes Performance for rest-rehab-therapy. Looks like he won’t be playing baseball for at least 2 more weeks #redsox
MaineYankee June 10th, 2010 at 4:51 pm
GB7
In some ways the less TV coverage baseball got back then made it more special when you got to see someone like Marichal pitch on the game of the week.
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Man, those were some kind of pitchers. Found it interesting that in all of their years, Koufax and Marichal only pitched against each other 3 times.
One of the greatest games I ever saw on TV was a game between Marichal and spahn. The game went scoreless into the bottom of the 16th inning. Mays hit a leadoff homer off of spahn in the 16th to win it 1-0. Both pitchers pitched complete games and spahn was 42 or 43 years old.
SJ44
I saw the discussion on how the Yankees don’t let others know their plans for the draft.
It reminds me of how Red A got Dave Cowens in the draft. He had his eye on him for some time but didn’t let on. He didn’t want someone to take him first. Many were surprised when he drafted him but it proved to be a very good move.
That’s how championship teams are built.
Random thoughts:
- Borderline Hall-of-Famers who are in the midst of very good years and ho get hurt don’t have to try out for their jobs because of 25 ABs.
The the easiest way for a manager to lose his clubhouse, particularly when his “replacement” is hitting worse over the same span.
- You’re a deficient human being if you can’t simply accept Eiland’s personal business is not yours.
- I admit enjoying how the one guy in the bullpen who finally gave up a one run in a 14 inning game after more than 7 innings of shut-out ball “blew” the game.
That game was on the offense.
They’re trying to work out what’s wrong with Gaudin. He has the luxury of being on a team that can afford to do that. He won’t be here much longer if he doesn’t.
Cervelli is definitely showing some wear with his extended playing time while Posada has been nursing his bad wheel (Does Posada even have a good wheel?).
Those who demanded Cervelli be the everyday catcher with Posada as the DH are seeing why that may not be the grandest idea any longer.
Cervelli has done an outstanding job. I’m just not ready to make him an everyday catcher because he’s probably not going to hit enough.
Nobody has a good 12th man on a major league pitching staff. Its a non-issue.
Posada doesn’t have to “try out” for his job.
When he’s healthy enough to catch, he will catch.
Cervelli is hitting .180 the last 3 weeks. He’s also not tearing the cover off the ball.
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It’s a bit scary that you have to actually explain these things to people
Spahn and Marichal were basically the same pitchers. Marichal from the right side and spahn from the left, but, same pitches and angles and the same high leg kick.
So how much do the coaches get paid for this all star appearance? $100K / each ?
Oh and Melkman in Hotlanta…
Been quiet lately, eh?
SJ44 June 10th, 2010 at 4:53 pm
Nobody has a good 12th man on a major league pitching staff. Its a non-issue.
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Why not? We’re the Yankees. We don’t need an all-star as the 12th man, but surely we can find someone for that spot who can pitch below a 6 ERA, right?
If Aceves weren’t hurt, wouldn’t we theoretically have a good 12th man on the staff?
I’m no fan of Chad Gaudin, but at least he is capable of throwing multiple innings. Can’t say the same about Logan.
GB7
Your dating yourself.
I just saw Gibson and Marichal near the end of their careers. I never saw Spahn or Koufax pitch.
You don’t compare pitchers only by ERA’s.
Logan was terrible here. He couldn’t throw strikes and he couldn’t get lefthanders out.
He was given a chance to succeed here and failed.
That’s why he isn’t here.
He’s no answer.
You are fixating on a non-issue on the team.
Its the same folks who lost their minds over Randy Winn as if he was going to be a difference maker.
The last guy on the bench and the last guy on the pitching staff aren’t difference makers.
GB-
I loved Spahn too.
Hughes in 3 years is going to absolutely destroy the league.
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He’s doing a pretty decent job of that right now..
Jerkface, I look forward to that day!
Stuckey, absolutely – Po is not about to be pipped for Cervelli. Frankly, I kind of miss Jorge behind the plate. I’m not saying he’s a great defensive catcher, but I like having that veteran presence. Frankie needs a break – he’s worn down and I don’t blame him.
Cervelli still comes through with RISP, as he did again last night. No, Posada does not have to earn his job back, but, if he can’t contribute as he has in the past, he should consider going to DH, and continue to mentor Cervelli, as Girardi handed the C job over to Posada, when the time came. Posada has always been noted for being a good offensive C, but his defense is not on the same level as Cervelli’s. That’s not throwing stones, it is what it is.
you know… all i asked was “where is eiland”. i think you guys need to CALM DOWN a little. and get over yourselves, yeah… that too.
“If Aceves weren’t hurt, wouldn’t we theoretically have a good 12th man on the staff?”
Park, Robertson and Chamberlain’s ERA’s say hello…
I’m coming back down to earth…even I would have traded me for Curtis Granderson.
# mick June 10th, 2010 at 5:00 pm
They’re trying to work out what’s wrong with Gaudin. He has the luxury of being on a team that can afford to do that. He won’t be here much longer if he doesn’t.
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Although he has been especially bad as of late, I think this is essentially what Gaudin is. He’s bounced around quite a bit the last few years. There’s a reason for that.
I thought last year that the Yanks should be glad they caught lightning in a bottle with him for a couple of months.
I wouldn’t expect him to do that again.
Patrick,
Not only that, they get indignant about it! lol
“We are the Yankees! We should have 12 great pitchers at all times.
You know the old saying…..youth is wasted on the young.
He’s doing a pretty decent job of that right now..
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Yea, Hughes is owning right now. But I’m talking the kind of devastation that destroys opposing franchises.
An increase in 1 of his K/9 and a Decrease in 1 of his BB/9 and eventual H/9 for 2010. BOOK IT.
*wild hyperbole*
Hughes in 3 years is going to absolutely destroy the league.
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However good he is, he is still mediocre when compared to Strasburg — but all pitchers are, so there’s no shame in that.
“You may enjoy that crap…I don’t. If you want to continue playing games with this, be my guest”
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I second this.
my TV is never on talk shows. And also anything involving celebrities. They don’t care about our lives, and i couldn’t care less about theirs.
Posada has never hit well as a DH. Perhaps he misses being behind the plate, playing 1/2 a game so to speak. Whatever it is, he will be back there soon.
jerkface would it be possible for him to pitch so well that fenway collapses?
Buster Olney
The Hall of Fame will be acquiring the game-used cap and a game-used ball from Strasburg’s 14-K debut. Could be on display in a week. about 2 hours ago
So if Hughes is a number one, what’s Strasburg? number 0, number negative 5 ???
my TV is never on talk shows. And also anything involving celebrities. They don’t care about our lives, and i couldn’t care less about theirs.
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People slop it up though. Big ratings.
jerkface would it be possible for him to pitch so well that fenway collapses?
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Hughes will throw a hammer that will sunder the earth and sink Boston into the sea, sending all the irish from whence they came.
Hughes is doing pretty good against the league right now…probably going to the all star game.
“Could be on display in a week”
who want to see this NOW?
MaineYankee June 10th, 2010 at 5:03 pm
GB7
Your dating yourself.
I just saw Gibson and Marichal near the end of their careers. I never saw Spahn or Koufax pitch.
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Oh, I don’t mind that, Maine. I had the privilege to see some of the greatest players in history in their prime. I only wish that I’d had the chance to see Feller and DiMaggio play in other than tape. That is one advantage to being a “seasoned vet”.
GI – he’s a number “gonna need elbow surgery in 2 years”.
Go Yankees!
Go Lakers!
stuckey June 10th, 2010 at 5:00 pm
Random thoughts:
- I admit enjoying how the one guy in the bullpen who finally gave up a one run in a 14 inning game after more than 7 innings of shut-out ball “blew” the game.
That game was on the offense.
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I couldn’t agree more that the game was on the offense. It should never have gotten to Gaudin in the first place. But the fact that it did shows that sometimes things like that will happen, and in my opinion, points out that the 12th man on the staff isn’t a “non-factor”.
I’m not even arguing that Gaudin is done or worthless. I just don’t believe whoever is in the role that he’s in right now has to be.
jerkface would it be possible for him to pitch so well that fenway collapses?
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Hell yeah! I think Jerkface was being literal when he said Hughes will destroy the league. He will systematically demolish every stadium but the Cathedral in the Bronx.
“No, Posada does not have to earn his job back, but, if he can’t contribute as he has in the past,”
The guy has an OPS of .907, THIS YEAR.
He has 23 ABs since he came off the DL.
If it REALLY needs to be explained to you that 23 ABs is NO basis to make that sort of changes, no one will be able to help you.
ckl June 10th, 2010 at 5:06 pm
Hughes in 3 years is going to absolutely destroy the league.
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However good he is, he is still mediocre when compared to Strasburg ? but all pitchers are, so there?s no shame in that.
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I hope your not a teacher because I wouldn’t want you grading my work.
“We are the Yankees! We should have 12 great pitchers at all times.
You know the old saying…..youth is wasted on the young.
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And there is the definition of being spoiled.
Perhaps a dose of the 70′s or 80′s would have helped these babies.
Cervelli isn’t an everyday catcher. He’s also not going to be the catcher of the future in NY.
He is what he is…..a quality backup.
So if Hughes is a number one, what’s Strasburg? number 0, number negative 5 ???
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Strasburg is so good he’s an imaginary number.
He’s a number i
“Hughes will throw a hammer that will sunder the earth and sink Boston into the sea, sending all the irish from whence they came.”
“I say the NAY! villainous Bostonians”
stuckey June 10th, 2010 at 5:05 pm
“If Aceves weren’t hurt, wouldn’t we theoretically have a good 12th man on the staff?”
Park, Robertson and Chamberlain’s ERA’s say hello…
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Come on now. Now it’s just getting silly.
mick – if you believe there weren’t irrational stupid fans in the 70′s and 80′s you may be just as lost
the only difference is now you run into these people, where back then you could just stay home.
So who the heck cares? Strasburg can be elected to the HOF right now – that has no bearing on whether Phil is an elite pitcher or not.
what makes stephen strasburg so good is his ability to not be bad
I don’t get it – Ok, Strasburg is going to be great, but what was technically historic about his game?
Dontrelle Willis today for Arizona:
4 IP, 3 H, 3 ER, 6 BB, 2 K
2 balks
2 wild pitches
100 pitches-59 strikes
how can you compare when we have been “dynasty” like since 1995, that’s 15 years of not losing that today’s young fans have grown up on. After 1965, things were not the same for a Yankee fan, those that grew up only knowing winning. Just different types of spoilage.
Correction:
49 strikes in 100 pitches
So who the heck cares? Strasburg can be elected to the HOF right now – that has no bearing on whether Phil is an elite pitcher or not.
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I have always advocated grading pitchers/students on a curve.
“But the fact that it did shows that sometimes things like that will happen, and in my opinion, points out that the 12th man on the staff isn’t a “non-factor”. ”
All things are relative.
Yes, SOMETIMES low-scoring games are going to go into extended extra innings and you will need to empty the bullpen, and MOST of the bullpen responded that day admirably.
You just can’t build a team to hold up over 162 games prepared to ace every eventuality.
Gaudin hasn’t been good, no question. The Toronto game is just not a factor in the equation.
“what makes stephen strasburg so good is his ability to not be bad”
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lol
Strasburg makes me want to drool
I don’t know how anyone is going to hit his breaking ball.
Betsy,
His first major league start. Probably the most hyped start from a kid since David Clyde in 1972.
The kid strikes out 14 and walks ZERO in 7 innings to get the win.
His last pitch of the game was 99 MPH on the black for a K.
That’s impressive AND historic.
It was an amazing performance and the HOF should have a couple of his items on display. That’s what the Hall is for.
I don’t get it – Ok, Strasburg is going to be great, but what was technically historic about his game?
===================The guy is a phenom. Vida Blue, Mark Fydrych, Fernando-like and that comes around every 25 years or so.
“I don’t get it – Ok, Strasburg is going to be great, but what was technically historic about his game?”
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betsy: because if he remains healthy, he may be better then Roger Clemens and Dwight Gooden put together.
in other words, the dominant pitcher both were in their prime, without the steroids and drug problems
betsy – for a first career start, for a 21 year old… 14k’s puts him in very exclusive company.
he struck out every batter in the lineup at least once.
he struck out the last 7 batters he faced.
Ok, It’s amazing performance, but I don’t see how it’s historic. The next time someone throws 99 on the black, is that ball going to the HOF?
As far as debut games go, Strasburg’s 14 K’s and 0 Walks was never done before in the majors.
I’ll never understand what the Tigers were thinking when they gave Willis that big extension a couple of years back.
That was one of the most predictable disasters, and worst decisions, by any team in the last few years.
His first major league start. Probably the most hyped start from a kid since David Clyde in 1972.
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Actually Strasburg’s debut was probably the most hyped MLB debut of all time. That’s mainly because of the state of today’s media but still…
His stuff should be in the HOF because he is going to be in the HOF barring injury.
So might as well get his apparel from his first ever start to show people 50 years from now how the HOF’er started his career.
With the White Sox probably ready to move some players, I’d guess that Konerko, Jenks, Pierzyski and Rios would be on that list. Other than Jenks and maybe Rios, not much there. Rios being guaranteed $50 mil over the next 4 and a half years may eliminate him from many discussions, though, unless the White Sox eat a lot of money and only want medium range prospects back.
What if it were your boy Phil? I could just see you gushing.
ID, I didn’t say he wasn’t impressive………
Vinny, it was one game. What does his future career have to do with one start?
mick – thats all true, but perpetual losing doesn’t create “unspoiled” or “better” fans as a result. it makes less fans hehe…
Strasburg’s performance WAS historic. Might as well put it on display.
It was one game against the Pirates. The kid might lose his next 5 starts and then you’ll all look stupid for drooling over him. People need to calm down. He’s not the second coming of Cy Young.
Well, I don’t care what you think, Mick. If Phil did that, I would think it’s ridiculous……….amazing is not the same as historic. I don’t agree with it, but then I won’t spend much time on it either; it’s not like I’m going back to the HOF anytime soon.
Betsy it’s historic because Strasburg is the most hyped prospect in a long time and many believe he will have a hall of fame career. It was his first start and turned out to be one of the most dominating starts of this season.
It’s like Lebron James’ debut.
betsy – if it was a rookie? in his first start? after 14-15 strikeouts? yes, that ball would go into the hall.
Besty,
Its the first time in baseball history a rookie debuted in a game and struck out 14 without issuing a walk.
Did you watch the game? The kid may have the best stuff in baseball right now. Yes, even better than Jimenez and he’s 21 years old.
It was an amazing and historic performance.
Mark Fydrych was a phenom?
He had a good couple of years, but he was never an elite talent.
He was regarded for his antics and quirkiness more than his ability to wow people with his raw stuff.
Betsy – Hughes rules (Pleading the Fifth) June 10th, 2010 at 5:21 pm
Well, I don’t care what you think, Mick.
Did you ever stop to think that people feel the same way about you?
stuckey June 10th, 2010 at 5:15 pm
All things are relative.
Yes, SOMETIMES low-scoring games are going to go into extended extra innings and you will need to empty the bullpen, and MOST of the bullpen responded that day admirably.
You just can’t build a team to hold up over 162 games prepared to ace every eventuality.
Gaudin hasn’t been good, no question. The Toronto game is just not a factor in the equation.
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Of course all things are relative. The Toronto game is just an example.
I like Gaudin. I hope they can figure him out. But he’s been ineffective in 4 out of his 5 Yankee appearances.
Don’t confuse me with the type of fan who thinks because we’re the Yankees, we need to have an all-star at every position and a staff filled with aces. I just think our team is talented and deep enough to have a full roster of players who can at least occasionally get the job done that they’re there to do, no matter how trivial.
I believe that every man on the roster plays a factor, including the last guy off the bench and the last guy out of the bullpen. Obviously not as a big a factor as the second to last man off the bench and out of the bullpen, but a factor nonetheless.
No The Bird was the Bomb antics or no.
“He had a good couple of years, but he was never an elite talent”
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one good year (rookie season) actually.
and he was an elite talent.
Betsy – are you threatened by Strasburg’s success because of fear that it may overshadow Hughes?
If not, don’t feel bad. He is going to overshadow everyone.
SJ, we’ll have to disagree and I don’t appreciate you implying that my opinion is invalid because I didn’t see the game. I don’t think it’s historic – I didn’t even know they were keeping records of pitchers making their debuts and how many they struck out. If he had walked 1, would it be historic? This has nothing to do with his stuff – I never said anything about his stuff.
This same type of hype was around Kerry Wood and Mark Prior. Look what happened to them. Let the guy actually do something before we start making room for him in the Hall.
What I don’t get is somebody throwing that home run ball hit off Strasburg back onto the field. The first home run off the guy and someone chucks it away.
Betsy is clueless. She has driven so many good posters away because she clogs the blog. If this was a real conversation, she would be considered extremely rude.
Wynn, yeah that’s it…….think what you want. So much for having a difference of opinion.
Strasburg could be Roger Clemens or he could be Tom Phoebus or Karl Spooner. two complete game shutouts in their first two MLB games, Phoebus with 15 strikeouts and Spooner with 27 strikeouts.
The Hall of Fame isn’t just about stats, or whatever, it is also about fame!
Johnny Damon stole a base in the world series and he got some stuff sent to the Hall. It was JUST a stolen base. Stephen Strasburg made 1 start, but it was hyped, everyone wanted to watch it, and he actually performed as expected (or more so).
He gets an exhibit for a while, its not a plaque.
The chances of Strasburg losing his next 5 starts are nill.
Unless he loses like 5 1-0 games in a row, then maybe….
His next starts are against the Indians, White Sox, Orioles, Braves.
When something that hasn’t been done in 40 odd years (14+ K with no walks in ML debut) happens, that’s usually categorized as “making history”.
Betsy,
What you don’t understand is it WAS historic. That’s the point.
When somebody does something that has never been done in the history of the sport, which Strasburg did the other night, that’s historic.
“This same type of hype was around Kerry Wood and Mark Prior”
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i don’t think either of them, struck out 14 in their first game. Not to mention, the media pressure
Fidrych made the Tigers as a non-roster invitee out of the 1976 spring training, not making his major-league debut until April 20, and not making his first start until mid-May. He only made that start because the scheduled starting pitcher had the flu. Fidrych responded by throwing seven no-hit innings, ending the game with a 2-1 victory in which he gave up only two hits. He went on to win 19 games, led the league in ERA (2.34) and complete games (24), was the starting pitcher in that year’s All-Star Game, won the American League Rookie of the Year Award, and finished second in voting for the Cy Young Award.
Wiki
Do any baseball minds remember the record he set in college last year? Was it no hitters? Most outs in a row recorded without giving up a hit? Most innings pitched with out giving up a run? Thanx 4 the Info.
And you’re a grade A something or other, Pill……….I’m rude? SJ is trying to inisist that my opinion is wrong and I’m rude? Because I disagree? You are intolerant to say the least.
# Wave Your Hat June 10th, 2010 at 5:25 pm
What I don’t get is somebody throwing that home run ball hit off Strasburg back onto the field. The first home run off the guy and someone chucks it away.
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Exactly. Let’s just say there won’t be a lot of those (HR’s hit off the dude).
Strasburg is much more talented than Wood and Prior. And Dusty Baker isn’t his manager so…
So, what was the record for strikeouts for a pitcher debuting before Strasburg? Why isn’t that pitchers’ stuff in the HOF?
I think I’ll wait and see how he finishes out the year before I crown him baseball’s supreme ruler.
Look at how the Nats are managing Strasburg.
They are not being reckless like Dusty was. They have an innings limit and pitch limit on him.
Phil June 10th, 2010 at 5:25 pm
Betsy is clueless. She has driven so many good posters away because she clogs the blog. If this was a real conversation, she would be considered extremely rude.
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Only some mindless clown/jerk thinks that’s she’s driven off “so many good posters”. What’s driving them off are trolls and idiots.
Whether or not something is “historic” is determined by how many people care about it. Well, a LOT of people care about Strasburg and what he does.
Betsy, don’t you think Strasburg’s start was, if not historic, extremely remarkable?
Betsy,
There are items in the HOF for achievements all the time.
David Cone and David Wells has stuff in the Hall from their perfect games.
Tuffy Rhodes once hit 3 HR’s in an Opening Day game for the Cubs. One of his HR balls was once displayed in the Hall of Fame.
That’s what the Hall does. It honors the game.
Betsy, stop posting. You are clogging the board. I realize you don’t have anyone to talk to in real life, but stop boring is with your drivel. Clueless.
The record for debuts is 15 strikeouts, but those came with 3 walks each?
Wave Your Hat 5:25
I thought the same thing.Its funny because if you see the fans reactions aroubd him when he does it there pretty suprised to.lol
I probably would have been more impressed by the 14 strikeouts if he didn’t do it against to a AAA team like the Pirates.
When Bryce Harper comes up in 3 years, the HOF will request his cleats after his 1st game.
Nobody else has struck out 14 Pirates this year without issuing a walk.
Betsy, as best as I can find, Karl Spooner 15 strikeouts as a 23 year old and JR Richard as a 21 year old would have that record.
Betsy is both, GB. I am out of here. This place is only good for SJ’s insight due to people like Betsy overposting! Later trolls!
# TMZ June 10th, 2010 at 5:32 pm
I probably would have been more impressed by the 14 strikeouts if he didn’t do it against to a AAA team like the Pirates.
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If 14 strikeouts with no walks in a MLB debut doesn’t impress, I don’t know what does.
lol
Francessa called him “August Romain” (for Austin Romine)
The HOF is basically a museum, which specializes in preserving items from historic moments in the game. While it is way to premature to say anything about the ultimate place in history of his career, Stephen Strasburg’s debut was quite a moment for the game today, and, given the pitching line, an historic one.
I think his debut qualifies for the Hall.
**If 14 strikeouts with no walks in a MLB debut doesn?t impress, I don?t know what does.**
I didn’t say that I wasn’t impressed by his performance. I was. What I am saying is that it was one game against the lowly Pirates. I want to see what he does over the long haul. People are on here saying he’s going to the Hall based on one performance. I think that’s ridiculous.
OMG, Strasburg pitches 1 game, against Pittsburg no less, and you all want to anoint him the greatest pitcher of our times. Let’s see what he does over the remainder of the season, and how he performs against top tier teams.
Sandy Koufax was 36-40 from 1955-1960, and didn’t become the great pitcher until 1961-1966, when he went 129-47.
Just as Doc Halladay had a rough start, then became a dominate pitcher, very few pitchers start out, and stay great.
I saw Koufax pitch in his prime, and even though I routed against his Dodgers, you had to admire the greatness of the man.
Whats amazing about the no walks is first couple innings he had like 3 ball counts on at least half of the guys he faced then he just buckled down and took care of buisness.
The HOF is the Smithsonian of baseball.
Strasburg’s debut made National News and Cable News – it was kinda a big deal.
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but Gordon Dahmer still could not pronounce his name correctly – YES should be ashamed.
he said StraUsberg 20 times last night – it hurt my ears
Phil June 10th, 2010 at 5:35 pm
Betsy is both, GB. I am out of here. This place is only good for SJ’s insight due to people like Betsy overposting! Later trolls!
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You’ll be deeply missed….at least by that SN.
How many rookie pitchers shut us down routinely?
It is easy to pitch when the league hasn’t seen you. The league can hit pitchers with elite FB/breaking combos… otherwise, Verlander and Ubaldo would never give up runs.
Wait till the scouting reports get around about the guy. They might start laying off his breaking ball and swinging at FBs early in the count, before he gets 2 strikes.
He did give up a HR to Delmon Young, so he can be had.
AND taking is stuff for the HOF does not meaqn it goes in the museum immediatly
AND taking is stuff for the HOF does not meaqn it goes in the museum immediatly
While we like to knock the Pirates’ suckiness, 14 K’s against them is still a lot. The game in which they struck out the most this season so far was 19 K’s against the Brewers…in a 14 inning game.
Their second highest so far was 17 K’s against the Nats; Strasburg having 14 of those, in 7 innings. The next highest after that was a pair of 13 K’s.
So yea, the Pirates are terrible, but it’s not like everybody throws 14 K’s against them.
TMZ June 10th, 2010 at 5:32 pm
I probably would have been more impressed by the 14 strikeouts if he didn’t do it against to a AAA team like the Pirates.
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Name another pitcher that’s done it this year….against any team.
I love the extremes on this board.
Just because some of us think Strasburg’s incredible debut qualifies as historic, that means we think he is to be anointed as one of the greatest pitchers of all time.
If I think the 12th member of the bullpen should be able to pitch a scoreless inning every once in a while, that must mean I’m a spoiled fan that requires an all-star at every position.
Good times.
**So yea, the Pirates are terrible, but it?s not like everybody throws 14 K?s against them.**
True but you would have to admit that pitching well against them is probably easier to do than say pitching well against teams with better lineups. Do you think he would have struck out 14 Yankees and not given up a walk? I don’t.
Betsy wants to bring her brand of intellectualism to baseball. It’s a free country but when people object to her opinions she gets insulted and runs away like a little child.
Hey I’m entitled to my opinion too , just like Betsy.
He is single handedly the reason that ballpark is selling tickets. There not that out of the race either with the right addition before the deadline they can make some noise this year. Who ever said he is the Lebron of the MLB had it perfect. He will fill the seats and seems like he has the presence to make a big impact on Washington DC /and MLB overall.Im about to go buy his rookie card!
“True but you would have to admit that pitching well against them is probably easier to do than say pitching well against teams with better lineups. Do you think he would have struck out 14 Yankees and not given up a walk? I don?t.”
Very likely not, but he’s got the potential.
Though prior to Tuesday, I wouldn’t have betted on him doing that against the Pirates either.
**Name another pitcher that?s done it this year?.against any team.**
Name a good offensive team that has been no hit twice in 10 months. Did anyone expect Tampa Bay to be no hit twice? Baseball is an unpredictable game. Teams get hot. Teams go cold. Just because no one else has struck out 14 this year doesn’t mean that it can’t happen. Anything can happen in baseball.
One other thought. Most MLB players have a tough time going against a pitcher they haven’t seen before, I know it seems to happen a lot to the Yankees (I hope tonight is not one of those nights). That, and given the fact the Pirates are such a weak team, you can’t give it as much credit, had he done the same against a top tier team. And, let’s see what he looks like after he’s got 50 games under his belt. It’s like saying a rookie that goes 5-5 in his first MLB game is the next Babe Ruth, think about it.
The next 3 lineups he faces are tailor made for him to have double digit strikeouts.
Cleveland stinks
The White Sox swing at EVERYTHING – he might have 20 Ks in that game
Baltimore also hacks at everything.
Depending on how the schedule goes, he is either scheduled to face the Braves or Mets in his 5th start. That will be the first test for him.
He’s going to be fun to watch
If you can’t get excited about Strasburg’s start the other night you are dead inside.
Max Scherzer struck out 14 in 5.2 innings against the A’s like a week ago.
Speaking of which, that game by Scherzer and Strasburg’s debut are tied for the highest single game K’s this season so far. At least according to the reports I’ve read.
Anyone who can’t see this kid is special does not know baseball.
# Patrick June 10th, 2010 at 5:48 pm
If you can’t get excited about Strasburg’s start the other night you are dead inside.
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I’ll go further, if you can’t get excited about that, baseball is probably the wrong sport for you.
Dassit June 10th, 2010 at 5:49 pm
Max Scherzer struck out 14 in 5.2 innings against the A’s like a week ago.
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Yeah, and he’s only 4 years older and in his 3rd ML year.
I am looking forward to Strasburg’s starts more than Yankees games (unless they are against a big team).
That is how special this kid is.
Wave, where have I not said that it was impressive? This board doesn’t tolerate differences of opinion, so what else is there for me to say?
I just spent an hour explaining why I don’t think Phil is going to be an ace/#1/whatever you call it and I’m biased? That’s ridiculous. I’m sorry I said anything and you know what? Considering this is a board for discussion, that is a sorry state of affairs.
Yeah, and he’s only 4 years older and in his 3rd ML year.
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I was just responding to GB7′s question.
Strasburg was great, looking forward to his next game.
GB, thanks. I was being facetious when I asked because I wonder if those pitchers had their stuff in the HOF.
This isn’t a discussion anymore; people are twisting what I said and they’re attacking me.
“I just think our team is talented and deep enough to have a full roster of players who can at least occasionally get the job done that they’re there to do, no matter how trivial.”
The point is, given the state of bullpens and the nature of the game, sometimes players need to be given the room to struggle temporarily, to right the ship for the longer haul.
Gaudin can’t be sent to the minors. And you just can’t keep bringing up pitchers, or signing released players, give then a couple of appearances and cast your final judgment.
The Yankee staff saw something they liked in Gaudin last year. They want to try to find it again.
Sometimes patience and big picture thinking is rewarded in the long-run.
Fine, Patrick – call me DOA.
Dassit June 10th, 2010 at 5:55 pm
I was just responding to GB7’s question.
Strasburg was great, looking forward to his next game.
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Then I apologize for my droll sarcasm on that one.
Betsy – more like you spent an hour ignoring what everyone else was explaining to you. every conversation with you, every day goes the same exact way:
I think this.
-Someone explains why that is.
I don’t agree with what you think.
-Someone else explains it, but uses your opinion against you.
Why are you attacking me?
-Someone else explains it.
Agree to disagree with the original poster.
/snore
betsy, it was historic, he broke a record
he achieved 14ks with 94 pitches
who holded the record for 14 k’s with a minimum pitch was javy vazquez with 98 pitches
Scratch that on he rookie card! 800 dollars is the cheapest i can find it!WOW just WOW! I bought Lebrons when he first came up for under 100.
Hey, ID – it’s called a difference of opinion – and your comments put me to sleep as well. Good, you think Phil is going to be a #1 – congratulations to you.
Irreverent Discourse,
LMAO
have you ever been to the hall of fame?
do you watch baseball(read: not yankee games)?
if the answers to these questions aren’t yes, how can you leverage an opinion on what belongs in the hall?
they might want to re-arrange the rotation to make sure hughes does not start on the same day as starsburg, just to make sure he gets the attention (hughes) he deserves…
hughes can pitch 7 scoreless against the mets, but it won’t matter becauee strasburg will probably strikeout 30 brewers…
Betsy, not sure when things like what Phoebus and Spooner did were considered HOF worthy items or not back in 1954 and 1966 or not, but, those are impressive feats for any pitcher. Don’t think that many items were put in there unless it was a name player or something historic. Not many rookies were recognized for doing rookie things back then.
Does Strasburg have a shot to pitch like the 99 Pedro?
stuckey June 10th, 2010 at 5:56 pm
The point is, given the state of bullpens and the nature of the game, sometimes players need to be given the room to struggle temporarily, to right the ship for the longer haul.
Gaudin can’t be sent to the minors. And you just can’t keep bringing up pitchers, or signing released players, give then a couple of appearances and cast your final judgment.
The Yankee staff saw something they liked in Gaudin last year. They want to try to find it again.
Sometimes patience and big picture thinking is rewarded in the long-run.
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It seems to me we’re on the same page after all. As I stated above, I like Gaudin and hope they can get him back to where he was last year.
I only stuck my nose in on this conversation in the first place to oppose the view that the 12th man on the staff should be viewed as a non-factor.
“I just spent an hour explaining why I don’t think Phil is going to be an ace/#1/whatever you call it and I’m biased?”
Which is ridiculous in of itself. You made a crusade of chastising fans for not exhibiting the same patience you were in regards to Hughes and seeing his upside, and now that he’s performing like a true #1, your new stance is we shouldn’t be buying into that either.
So what narrow, ultra-specific role SHOULD Yankees fans reasonably expect Hughes to play?
GB, absolutely……..
gb7 – was there anything close the the established minor league system in operation back then? how would anyone know to hype a guy and pay attention to the rookie if nobody knows he’s even playing?
Fine, Patrick – call me DOA.
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I didn’t mean you…
It’s fine if you don’t consider his start historic or whatever but wasn’t it exciting? I’ll be honest, that night I watched more of a Nationals/Pirates game than I did of the Yankees game.
The most impressive thing about Mr. Strasburg to me is the control.
The 0 walks are almost as impressive as the 14 K’s.
I can’t think of another pitcher with that kind of stuff who did that @ 21 years of age.
His repetoire is mesmerizing.
He is the real deal. I don’t care what scouting report you have when
you have his kind of stuff and his kind of control you can just throw away your scouting report. It isn’t going to do you any good.
A guy like that can completely overpower a hitter.
bjk – a non-factor was just a poor choice of words. you said “pitch a scoreless inning once in a while”, and i think that even with gaudin losing the toronto game he still qualifies for that. once in a while comes with a lot of leeway for giving up 1 run here or there
“Wave, where have I not said that it was impressive? This board doesn’t tolerate differences of opinion, so what else is there for me to say?
I just spent an hour explaining why I don’t think Phil is going to be an ace/#1/whatever you call it and I’m biased? That’s ridiculous. I’m sorry I said anything and you know what? Considering this is a board for discussion, that is a sorry state of affairs.”
Umm, Betsy, I just asked you if you thought Strasburg’s performance was extremely remarkable. I’m not sure your response was on point, I don’t think I criticized you in any way.
Stuckey, you’re completely missing the point. I really don’t appreciate being told my opinion is invalid because the HOF didn’t come knocking to Phil. Also, way to totally twist my words. You really need to find any comment I said that even implied I thought others shoul d feel the same way. Are you suggesting that I am not allowed my opinion? LOL YOu’er going to say that’s not what you’re saying, but you telling me how ridiculous I am is proof. Yep, 11 starts is definitely enough to say that Phil is an ace and definitely will be. I don’t care what expectations you have for Phil; you are entitled to your opinion – I guess I’m not, though.
“I’ll be honest, that night I watched more of a Nationals/Pirates game than I did of the Yankees game.”
I’m sure most people did as well– hard not to. Right now, watching that kid pitch is so much more intriguing than a regular season Yankees game, especially against the O’s.
That Phil comment was not directed to you, Wave, it was a general comment because some poster made a snide remark.
Per my posts, I have said his performance was amazing and impressive; if that’s not enough for some people (not you), then so be it.
BJK, I think the point was the 12th man is something of the more like the 28th guy on the roster, rather than the 25th, if that makes sense?
He’s FAR below even the 11th man in the pen or the 5th guy on the bench in terms of impact. He’s not going to factor into altering the outcomes (one way or another) very often.
He’s there for blow-outs (in either direction) and games like saturday, until (and if) he rights the ship and over time he may graduate up the pecking order.
The 12th man is just not going to be a difference-maker of any measurable effect, barring your rare extra-inning marathon.
round and round she goes. will she get it? nobody knows.
Patrick, if I had been home, I would have watched Phil’s performance. On Saturday, when he pitches, while everyone else is watching Strasburg, I’ll be watching Phil.
the hall of fame doesnt only collect items from who they think are HOF players, they collected items from armando gallaraga also, hughes hasnt done anything worth it so far
I know that Bob Neiman back in 1951 hit first pitch home runs in his first ML game and that’s not in the HOF. That’s pretty significant. Stottlemyre as a rookie in 1964 threw a complete game shutout and went 5-5 at the plate. He’s the only pitcher to ever do that and the only pitcher to ever have a 5-5 game period. That’s as impressive as what Strasburg did. Nothing from that game is in the HOF, either.
“It’s fine if you don’t consider his start historic or whatever but wasn’t it exciting?”
It was exciting, and Strasburg obviously has what it takes to be great if things go his way from here on(injuries, adjust after the league adjusts to him, etc).
I think what most people are reacting to, if they are not yet impressed, is the over the top hype machine from ESPN and others that tells us 24 hrs a day how this guy and that guy is the greatest ever. Just wait until next year with Bryce Harper.
I can’t imagine what they would have done with Mel Ott, who made his ML debut about 6 weeks after his 17th birthday, and hit 42 HRs at age 19.
Betsy sort of gives me an idea of what it would be like to talk to Phil’s mom – enthusiastic, worried and a little paranoid all at the same time about her son’s performance in the bigs.
“Per my posts, I have said his performance was amazing and impressive; if that’s not enough for some people (not you), then so be it.”
Well that’s good enough for me.
I don’t know how you can say he is not an ace?
Is 8-1, 2.7 ERA in the AL East not an ace?
Then what is?
Do Aces have to pitch like Jiminiez to be good?
WOW – I thought this was all about sharing thoughts on baseball, not attacking those that have different opinions. After all, not everyone thinks the same, and because they have a different thought, does not mean their’s is wrong, or they lack knowledge of the game. If you don’t like someone’s opinion, ignore it. If we were all as smart as we think we are, we’d be working in MLB, instead of writing about it.
“Patrick, if I had been home, I would have watched Phil’s performance. On Saturday, when he pitches, while everyone else is watching Strasburg, I’ll be watching Phil.”
But why? Strasburg is a once in a life time talent. How can you not want to watch a guy that good pitch, even if it is up against a Yankees game?
it seems like any time someone tries to bring more than their “opinion” to your conversations (you know, stats facts and evidence are admissible here), you take it as an attack on your position, rather than trying to listen learn and improve your opinion.
don’t bring your opinions into public forum unless you want them torn apart and thrown back in your face. expecting any less is just plain naive. be prepared to defend them, but not with a brick wall. explanations are not attacks.
Just wait until next year with Bryce Harper.
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Harper won’t be ready next year
vblade June 10th, 2010 at 6:09 pm
Betsy sort of gives me an idea of what it would be like to talk to Phil’s mom – enthusiastic, worried and a little paranoid all at the same time about her son’s performance in the bigs.
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lol i got the same impression
Jim, what am I going to do? Skip Yankee games everytime the guy pitches?
Irreverent Discourse June 10th, 2010 at 6:03 pm
gb7 – was there anything close the the established minor league system in operation back then? how would anyone know to hype a guy and pay attention to the rookie if nobody knows he’s even playing?
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Nobody was more hyped as a rookie with zero MLb experience like Mickey Mantle. It took 3 tears before he started living up to it.
gb7 – the hall was not as big as it is today either. they have lots of room to put items from important current events in there, and they take advantage of that. i don’t think that cheapens what he did OR the fact that they put the ball in there. it just means that they do it now.
like you said, it’s not something that was done then.
… but it’s done now.
# Teddy June 10th, 2010 at 6:12 pm
vblade June 10th, 2010 at 6:09 pm
Betsy sort of gives me an idea of what it would be like to talk to Phil’s mom – enthusiastic, worried and a little paranoid all at the same time about her son’s performance in the bigs.
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lol i got the same impression
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Only moms scrutinize at this level of detail and depth.
It took 3 ***years*** before he started living up to it.
“Harper won’t be ready next year”
Well, whenever he is going to come up, you know the hype is going to be crazy. They will have countdowns, live cut-ins to his final minor league ABs, and to top it all off, they will probably try to have him debut on a Strasburg pitching night.
gb7 – was he hyped coming out of HS/college ball or some minor league system? or did he just show up at a tryout one day and wow everyone straight from little league?
also, was there an established expectation in the major leagues for rookies to come up and perform well? not just be replacement players?
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“Yep, 11 starts is definitely enough to say that Phil is an ace and definitely will be.”
I agree Betsy, 11 starts is not enough to say Hughes IS an ace and/or DEFINITELY will be.
But that isn’t what you just said.
THIS is what you just said…
“I just spent an hour explaining why I don’t think Phil is going to be an ace/#1/whatever you call it and I’m biased?”
“Don’t think Hughes IS GOING TO BE”
Now am I “twisting” your words are did you just not say that you’ve cast opinionated judgment on his career potential?
The guy you’ve stridently argued for years is young and talented and requires time and patience to grow into his potential before anyone casts judgment on him…
You’re 100% entitled to your opinion. It’s perfectly valid.
I’m 100% entitled to point out your valid opinion is entirely hypocritical in relations to your previous valid opinion.
Irreverent Discourse June 10th, 2010 at 6:11 pm
it seems like any time someone tries to bring more than their “opinion” to your conversations (you know, stats facts and evidence are admissible here), you take it as an attack on your position, rather than trying to listen learn and improve your opinion.
don’t bring your opinions into public forum unless you want them torn apart and thrown back in your face. expecting any less is just plain naive. be prepared to defend them, but not with a brick wall. explanations are not attacks.
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If Betsy annoys you so much, why don’t you, Mick and the others just ignore her and shut up about it. You’re becoming tiresome. Like I’m doing with you from here on out. Strictly ignoring you.
gb7 – if anyone here needs to learn how to look past and ignore posts, it’s her. we try to rationalize and discuss things with her all day and the conversation devolves into the same thing, every time. the one constant here is not the people she is talking to, it’s her.
ignore me if you want (and you’ve told me that already), this is me not caring.
green and betsy sitting on the floor, he waiting for her to open her hearts door, first came a date, then came marriage, then came betsy with a baby carriage
they loved at the start but then it went south, and soon there after they didnt even kiss on the mouth, she cheated with hughes he cheated with megan fox , and you can tell their marriage hit the rocks
they fought and fought , they even insulted irreverent discourse, they couldnt help it they headed for divorce??
GreenBeret7:
It did not take Mantle 3 years to live up to his hype. Mantle started in 1951, and in 1952 he was 3rd in the MVP vote. Mantle stats were; Avg .311 – OBP .394, SLG .530, OPS .924.
GreenBeret7 June 10th, 2010 at 6:14 pm
It took 3 ***years*** before he started living up to it.
If you’re going to post the wrong info twice, it would be just as easy to look up stats you talk about, the ones of record, not what you think they may be.
See the Mantle stats in my last post.
Before I go, Betsy, I don’t know you, but, I enjoy your posts, and like you, I love Phil. I had the pleasure of knowing Phil while in was in Scranton. He is a great guy, and deserves all the success he has, and will attain.
God-bye.