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Rodriguez day-to-day with tendonitis

Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Misc on Jun 11, 2010 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

Alex Rodriguez has tendonitis in his right hip flexor.

Although it’s in the hip, it’s in a very different spot from the area where Rodriguez had hip surgery last year.

“This is about as good of news as we could have gotten,” Joe Girardi said.

Girardi said the trainers have told him that pinch hitting isn’t out of the question for Rodriguez, but Girardi would rather not use Rodriguez if he can avoid it.

UPDATE, 4:55 p.m.: Here’s the audio of Girardi making the announcement about Rodriguez’s MRI results. He gathered the media in the clubhouse roughly 15 minutes after his regular pregame press conference to give everyone the news.

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191 Responses to “Rodriguez day-to-day with tendonitis”

  1. Carl (Trade August Romain) June 11th, 2010 at 4:35 pm

    How do yall like the bench now! We have A-Rod on it! Bench depth!

  2. Erin June 11th, 2010 at 4:35 pm

    ?This is about as good of news as we could have gotten,? Joe Girardi said.

    I agree :)

  3. Andrew June 11th, 2010 at 4:35 pm

    Look forward to the numerous doctors on the board saying A-Rod should have had the 2nd surgery, should be DL’ed, etc. Since you know, everyone but the team & the doctors who treat the guy know what’s best.

  4. Warning Track Power June 11th, 2010 at 4:35 pm

    the weekend off + the day off Monday might be all the rest ARod needs.

  5. vblade June 11th, 2010 at 4:36 pm

    Tendonitis is never good news but at least it’s not in the area where he had the surgery.

  6. ac1 June 11th, 2010 at 4:37 pm

    for the person who again brought up his contract being a problem, he is hitting .290 and near the top of the league in rbis. i’ll take that for the next 7 years, even with the pains he will have throughout…

  7. Bret the Hitman June 11th, 2010 at 4:38 pm

    What do I care about contracts?

    Every dollar wasted on an injured or age diminished player is a dollar that can’t be spent for someone more productive.

    This hip surgery and this groin issue are red flags to me.

    It’s way to early in his contract to be seeing these kinds of problems.

    I mean. The Yankees budget is constrained by this one person for the next 8 years including 2010.

    Alex Rodriguez 3b
    10 years/$275M (2008-17)
    10 years/$275M (2008-17)
    re-signed by Yankees as a free agent 12/13/07
    $10M signing bonus ($2M paid upon approval, $1M paid each Jan. 15, 2009-2013, $3M paid Jan. 15, 2014)
    08:$27M, 09:$32M, 10:$32M, 11:$31M, 12:$29M, 13:$28M, 14:$25M, 15:$21M, 16:$20M, 17:$20M

    It’s disheartening.

    It would be nice to see these issues much later in the contract, say in 2015 at the earliest. 2010?

    Disheartening.

  8. Erin June 11th, 2010 at 4:39 pm

    BloggingBombers Girardi & Mike Harkey are having an on-field reunion w/ old friend Bobby Meachem. They’re probably making fun of him for not winning a ring

  9. Mike_Boston June 11th, 2010 at 4:39 pm

    Perfect time for him to be “day to day”, considering it’s the easy part of the schedule right now.

  10. Bret the Hitman June 11th, 2010 at 4:41 pm

    Tendonitis in his right hip flexor.

    They say steroids weakens joints and tendons.

    The reason is because the muscle tissue becomes unnaturally strengthened by steroids, which in turn causes unnatural force/strain placed on joints and tendons involved in muscle movements.

  11. Erin June 11th, 2010 at 4:42 pm

    BloggingBombers Joe Girardi: “The hip flexor is not his tendon. It?s more muscular stuff. That?s good news to me.”

  12. ac1 June 11th, 2010 at 4:42 pm

    wow that was overdramatic. the yankees are not constrained and they have gotten every player they wanted (reasonably). It’s tendinitis. Lots of people get it. it’s not a red flag… I guess Granderson going out for a month was a HUGE red flag then. Ot that one time Jeter was on the DL. How bout gardner’s lingering finger issue? will he ever hit again?

  13. Carl (Trade August Romain) June 11th, 2010 at 4:43 pm

    Bret the Hitman June 11th, 2010 at 4:38 pm

    The Yankees don’t have a “constrained” budget because of Alex Rodriguez. If the Yanks need someone, they will get him. He didn’t stop the Yanks from signing CC, Tex, AJ. He won’t stop the Yanks from resigning Jeter, Andy, Mo.

  14. Choo Choo Charlie June 11th, 2010 at 4:43 pm

    I don’t pretend to know anything about how MLB teams do things, unlike some people, but why did it take until 4:30 to find out what was wrong with Alex? Do you think he has to wait for 4 hours in the waiting room just like every other schlep with Blue Cross/Blue Shield does? Did he call in the morning and the receptionist told him that they’d look to see if they can squeeze him in between 3 – 4? Shouldn’t they have gotten this news like at 10 am this morning?

  15. Bret the Hitman June 11th, 2010 at 4:43 pm

    Tendonitis is the inflammation of tendons.

  16. MaineYankee June 11th, 2010 at 4:44 pm

    Mike_Boston June 11th, 2010 at 4:39 pm
    Perfect time for him to be ?day to day?, considering it?s the easy part of the schedule right now.

    ————————————————————————–

    Did you watch Shrek and Donkey last night? :lol:

  17. pat June 11th, 2010 at 4:45 pm

    “Every dollar wasted on an injured or age diminished player is a dollar that can’t be spent for someone more productive.”

    For the Rays, yes. For the Yankees, no.

    There is no salary cap in baseball. The Steinbrenner’s can spend as little or as much money as they choose. The Yankees without YES revenues made $400+ million dollars in 2009.

    The $100M owed to Alex in the last 5 years of his contract are not going to stop them from putting a winning product on the field because they know they will more than make up that money with the butts in the seats that a winning club brings.

  18. Bret the Hitman June 11th, 2010 at 4:46 pm

    Carl (Trade August Romain) June 11th, 2010 at 4:43 pm
    Bret the Hitman June 11th, 2010 at 4:38 pm

    The Yankees don’t have a “constrained” budget because of Alex Rodriguez.
    ***********

    How can you say 275 million dollars doesn’t constrain the budget?

    He constrains it more than any other player on the team.

    It won’t be long before he’s so depleted and unproductive that the money squandered on the latter years of his contract would equate to players that could really impact the team in a positive way.

  19. Carl (Trade August Romain) June 11th, 2010 at 4:47 pm

    # Bret the Hitman June 11th, 2010 at 4:46 pm

    Carl (Trade August Romain) June 11th, 2010 at 4:43 pm
    Bret the Hitman June 11th, 2010 at 4:38 pm

    The Yankees don’t have a “constrained” budget because of Alex Rodriguez.
    ***********

    How can you say 275 million dollars doesn’t constrain the budget?

    He constrains it more than any other player on the team.

    It won’t be long before he’s so depleted and unproductive that the money squandered on the latter years of his contract would equate to players that could really impact the team in a positive way.

    What has he prevented us from doing?

  20. SAS June 11th, 2010 at 4:48 pm

    Carl,

    Who the heck is August Romain. You want to trade him?

  21. Irreverent Discourse June 11th, 2010 at 4:48 pm

    bret is just looking for something to complain about. why bother.

  22. Paul Canales June 11th, 2010 at 4:49 pm

    End of the world. C’mon guys, let’s jump off the cliff!

  23. Nick Johnson June 11th, 2010 at 4:49 pm

    There is no salary cap in baseball. The Steinbrenner’s can spend as little or as much money as they choose. The Yankees without YES revenues made $400+ million dollars in 2009.

    The $100M owed to Alex in the last 5 years of his contract are not going to stop them from putting a winning product on the field because they know they will more than make up that money with the butts in the seats that a winning club brings
    ^^^^^^^^

    Whoa, wait a minute!! You mean the line that Cashman sold me that he “only” had 5.5 million was actually BS?!?! What the hell!!!

  24. Bret the Hitman June 11th, 2010 at 4:49 pm

    Carl,

    It’s year 3 of a 10 year deal, way too early for hip surgeries and tendonitis in the hip of an admitted steroids abuser.

    The question isn’t what Alex has prevented us from doing, it’s what will he prevent us from doing in the latter years of the contract and quite possibly much sooner.

  25. Carl (Trade August Romain) June 11th, 2010 at 4:50 pm

    # SAS June 11th, 2010 at 4:48 pm

    Carl,

    Who the heck is August Romain. You want to trade him?

    August Romain is what Mike Francesa called Austin Romine the other day.

  26. baseballfab June 11th, 2010 at 4:50 pm

    7 years left on a contract and tendons already destroyed from years of steroid abuse is not a recipe for optimism.

  27. Spock June 11th, 2010 at 4:51 pm

    BloggingBombers Girardi & Mike Harkey are having an on-field reunion w/ old friend Bobby Meachem. They’re probably making fun of him for not winning a ring

    —————-

    Poor Joe… Cash made him get rid of his friend :(

    Torre was right when he said Cash became too controlling. I know Meachum sucked, but he was his friend….

  28. MaineYankee June 11th, 2010 at 4:52 pm

    Bret

    I don’t get it. You’re worried about the contract of one of the best players in the game, but also want them to sign Cameron for 14mil. and trade cost controlled Gardner. Doesn’t add up to me.

  29. Michelle June 11th, 2010 at 4:52 pm

    Good news on Arod, I guess. Hopefully they can get threw this series without needing him. Myers pitches tonight and he has been really good this season. Hopefully they can score some runs against him and the next 2 days they face 2 bad pitchers. Then hopefully Arod can be back for the Phillies series.

  30. Betsy - Hughes rules (Pleading the Fifth) June 11th, 2010 at 4:52 pm

    It’s “good” news, but the fact that he’s having hip issues is not good news; our tendonitis cases always take forever to clear up – Tex and Joba.

  31. Jerkface June 11th, 2010 at 4:53 pm

    Now A-rod’s tendons are destroyed?

  32. Mike_Boston June 11th, 2010 at 4:53 pm

    MaineYankee June 11th, 2010 at 4:44 pm

    Mike_Boston June 11th, 2010 at 4:39 pm
    Perfect time for him to be ?day to day?, considering it?s the easy part of the schedule right now.

    ————————————————————————–

    Did you watch Shrek and Donkey last night?
    —————————————————————————————————————

    Not only did I watch it, but I was there!! 5 seats away from me was Marc Gasol. Let’s just say we got pretty creative with the chants through out the night.

  33. Matty June 11th, 2010 at 4:53 pm

    Without the records, A-Rod’s contract is worthless.

    Not only did the steroids make his HR chase a farce, it also increases the likelihood that his body is going to erode quicker than a healthy player.

    He’s already not showing power… if it is a sign of things to come, he is in trouble.

  34. YankFanCA June 11th, 2010 at 4:54 pm

    No, only Betsy is going to jump off a cliff

  35. ac1 June 11th, 2010 at 4:55 pm

    cashman uses the budget to make sure the yankees dont get overcharged for players. if there is someone they want they will get them at their price. alex ‘s contract wont stop it.

  36. Erin June 11th, 2010 at 4:56 pm

    BloggingBombers A-Rod is day-to-day. Girardi would’t rule out using him as a pinch-hitter tonight, though I’d be surprised if he did.

  37. Bret the Hitman June 11th, 2010 at 4:56 pm

    MaineYankee June 11th, 2010 at 4:52 pm
    Bret

    I don’t get it. You’re worried about the contract of one of the best players in the game, but also want them to sign Cameron for 14mil. and trade cost controlled Gardner. Doesn’t add up to me.
    ***************

    Cameron?

    I think you have me mixed up with somebody else.

    I fought tooth and nail all offseason against Cameron, against Winn, against Damon, against Nick Johnson.

    I banned the term “Cameron” and “Nick Johnson” from LOHUD.

    Basically, I was against every old and/or diminished acquisition.

    The core, the heart and soul of this team is aging.

    Whenever the team has a chance to get much younger, I’m all for it.

  38. MaineYankee June 11th, 2010 at 4:56 pm

    Mike_Boston

    Sounds like it was a good game to be at. I heard some of the chants on TV. 4th qtr must have been fun being there.

  39. 56Bomber June 11th, 2010 at 4:56 pm

    August Romain is a leaf lettuce harvested during the summer.

  40. DTX June 11th, 2010 at 4:56 pm

    How is tenderloins good news? Not only that, his hip is acting up a swell.

    Oh and Girardi refuses to rest him, so how the heck is he going to get any better?

  41. Chad Jennings June 11th, 2010 at 4:56 pm

    Just updated with the audio of Girardi announcing the Rodriguez injury.

  42. Hip Flexor Specialist June 11th, 2010 at 4:56 pm

    The recommended treatment for Alex’s condition is rest and dumping Cameron Diaz.

  43. Carl (Trade August Romain) June 11th, 2010 at 4:56 pm

    # Bret the Hitman June 11th, 2010 at 4:49 pm

    Carl,

    It’s year 3 of a 10 year deal, way too early for hip surgeries and tendonitis in the hip of an admitted steroids abuser.

    The question isn’t what Alex has prevented us from doing, it’s what will he prevent us from doing in the latter years of the contract and quite possibly much sooner.

    Nothing. It’s not going to do a thing. If it isn’t now, It won’t later.

  44. MaineYankee June 11th, 2010 at 4:57 pm

    Bret

    My mistake. I meant Crawford.

  45. blake June 11th, 2010 at 4:58 pm

    “How is tenderloins good news? Not only that, his hip is acting up a swell.”

    tenderloins are always good news.

  46. freddy k June 11th, 2010 at 4:58 pm

    Brett – for some reason, people want to assume the guy never took steroids. probably because they see what happened to the bodies of other steroid users as they hit their mid 30s…

  47. Patrick June 11th, 2010 at 4:58 pm

    Now A-rod’s tendons are destroyed?

    Nah but he’s a ghost!

  48. G. Love June 11th, 2010 at 4:59 pm

    Can Kelly Johnson in AZ play 3b? I know he’s normally a 2b, but I sort of remember he was a bit of a utility type for ATL.

    If AZ is open for business as it’s been rumored, that might be a nice player to add to the roster.

    I’d also sign off on trading for Wigginton from BAL if we could get him.

    Either one could be part of the infield rotation DH mix.

  49. Mike_Boston June 11th, 2010 at 4:59 pm

    MaineYankee,
    After game 5 of 01 WS (the Brocious game) it’s #2 on my list of attended sporting events. The place was nuts and so much was on the line!!

  50. SAS June 11th, 2010 at 5:00 pm

    Thanks Carl. I knew you were more baseball savvy than calling Romine, Romain.

  51. 56Bomber June 11th, 2010 at 5:00 pm

    Tenderloins on a bed of August Romain

  52. Carl (Trade August Romain) June 11th, 2010 at 5:01 pm

    # SAS June 11th, 2010 at 5:00 pm

    Thanks Carl. I knew you were more baseball savvy than calling Romine, Romain.

    Funny thing was he whispered it because he wasn’t sure lol

  53. Bret the Hitman June 11th, 2010 at 5:02 pm

    freddy k June 11th, 2010 at 4:58 pm
    Brett – for some reason, people want to assume the guy never took steroids. probably because they see what happened to the bodies of other steroid users as they hit their mid 30s…
    ********

    These are the facts.

    Alex Rodriguez abused steroids for an undetermined number of years.

    Steroids weaken joints and tendons.

    Alex Rodriguez had hip surgery in 2009.

    Alex Rodriguez is experiencing discomfort in his hip due to hip tendonitis in 2010.

    Alex Rodgriguez is in year 3 of a 10 year contract.

    I admire the optimism of anybody who openly dismisses these facts so easily or would call someone a whiner or a complainer for simply stating said facts.

  54. pat June 11th, 2010 at 5:02 pm

    I don’t assume he never took steroids. I know he did.

    I don’t care how the Steinbrenner’s spend their money. If they want to give me what they don’t spend, then I have an interest. If not, they could burn millions in Times Square and it wouldn’t bother me a bit.

  55. Mike_Boston June 11th, 2010 at 5:03 pm

    What’s the point of worrying about Arod’s contract down the line? We’re not any other team in MLB, 1 contract, even 1 that big, will not prevent Cash from making his moves and putting a championship caliber team on the field. Besides, as already pointed out on this threat, look at his numbers right now. He’s still a top 5 player, I don’t see him falling off the face of the earth in the next few years. He works hard, he’s not lazy and will not let his body turn into Ortiz’s.

  56. MTU (aka GBURL) June 11th, 2010 at 5:03 pm

    “Tenderloins on a bed of August Romain”

    Nice sexual innuendo 56. :)

  57. Erin June 11th, 2010 at 5:03 pm

    pat June 11th, 2010 at 5:02 pm

    I don?t care how the Steinbrenner?s spend their money. If they want to give me what they don?t spend, then I have an interest.

    **********************
    pat, you wouldn’t mind throwing some of that money my way, would you?? ;)

  58. blake June 11th, 2010 at 5:04 pm

    “Tenderloins on a bed of August Romain”

    mmm, with poppyseed dressing.

  59. austinmac June 11th, 2010 at 5:04 pm

    My view of AROD, his health and his contract is that it is what it is. There is no point ruminating or recriminating about the past. I hope for the best and hope the Yankees are ready for the worst. None of us have the faintest idea of his future health or productivity. If you really think you have that knowledge, don’t waste your time here, go to Vegas.

  60. Big Papi Ortiz June 11th, 2010 at 5:05 pm

    freddy k June 11th, 2010 at 4:58 pm
    Brett – for some reason, people want to assume the guy never took steroids. probably because they see what happened to the bodies of other steroid users as they hit their mid 30s

    ______________________

    Yo, whats up? I feel just fine thank you!

  61. Patrick June 11th, 2010 at 5:05 pm

    How will the Yankees survive 7 more years of an Alex Rodriguez haunting.

    I can’t imagine something scarier than a ghostly Centaur

  62. Bret the Hitman June 11th, 2010 at 5:06 pm

    You assume he took steroids but you ignore the potential damage they cause to the human body.

    These hip surgeries and hip tendonitis concern people who understand the complications and limitations that long-term steroid abuse cause.

    You secretly believe he only dabbled in steroid use.

    That is doubtful.

  63. Patrick June 11th, 2010 at 5:07 pm

    I’m glad Medical Expert Bret is here to explain the consequences of steroid use!

  64. pat June 11th, 2010 at 5:07 pm

    Erin

    Deal. 50/50 split.

  65. Choo Choo Charlie June 11th, 2010 at 5:07 pm

    The only thing I’m taking from this ARod hip issue is that Cameron Diaz must be so much better in the sack than Kate Hudson was.

  66. Tom June 11th, 2010 at 5:07 pm

    The thing is, we don’t know if Ortiz did steroids or not.

    Even though the NY Times implicated him, Michael Weiner said that the report was inaccurate and the 103 names are not authentic. So we don’t know whether or not he took them.

  67. MaineYankee June 11th, 2010 at 5:07 pm

    Bret

    So Is Utley going to have the same problems?

    I know he hasn’t been on the list but you can’t rule anyone out.

  68. TMZ June 11th, 2010 at 5:07 pm

    **He works hard, he?s not lazy and will not let his body turn into Ortiz?s.**

    Don’t look now, but Ortiz’s stats are better than our guy’s at first base. His average is higher and I think he has more HRs.

  69. TMZ June 11th, 2010 at 5:08 pm

    **The thing is, we don?t know if Ortiz did steroids or not.**

    That’s like saying we don’t know if Richard Simmons is gay or not. Get real. If Manny did steroids, Ortiz most certainly did as well.

  70. Big Papi Ortiz June 11th, 2010 at 5:09 pm

    Tom June 11th, 2010 at 5:07 pm
    The thing is, we don’t know if Ortiz did steroids or not.

    Even though the NY Times implicated him, Michael Weiner said that the report was inaccurate and the 103 names are not authentic. So we don’t know whether or not he took them

    _________________________________

    And thats why I pay my agent 15% instead of the usual 10%! Thanks amigo!!

  71. Bret the Hitman June 11th, 2010 at 5:10 pm

    Patrick June 11th, 2010 at 5:07 pm
    I’m glad Medical Expert Bret is here to explain the consequences of steroid use!
    ***********

    Don’t even try that.

    Steroid abuse has serious ramifications that are so well known in so many circles that it’s practically common knowledge.

    I would equate it to how 3rd graders understand that oil pollutes the environment, when burned or spilled.

    You don’t need to be an MD or a climatologist to understand basic facts.

  72. Mike_Boston June 11th, 2010 at 5:10 pm

    Great point Choo Choo…

  73. MaineYankee June 11th, 2010 at 5:11 pm

    TMZ

    Does Ortiz play GG defense?

  74. Bret the Hitman June 11th, 2010 at 5:11 pm

    MaineYankee June 11th, 2010 at 5:07 pm
    Bret

    So Is Utley going to have the same problems?

    I know he hasn’t been on the list but you can’t rule anyone out.
    ************

    The Yankees never committed a record 275 million dollars to Chase Utley.

  75. TMZ June 11th, 2010 at 5:13 pm

    **Does Ortiz play GG defense**

    If someone was trying to steal a plate of food away from him, maybe. I’m no Ortiz lover. I’m just pointing out that he’s turned his season around quicker than Texeira has.

  76. pat June 11th, 2010 at 5:13 pm

    Bret

    If his body breaks down to the point where it is hurting the team, you DFA him and eat the salary.

    They ate close to $100M for Pavano and Igawa and got next to nothing from either. Money will not hold back the Yankees from fielding a winning team

  77. Patrick June 11th, 2010 at 5:13 pm

    Bret,

    But it would take a medical expert to draw parallels between this injury and A-rod’s previous steroid use. So I’m glad we have you here to explain everything to us brosef!

  78. ac1 June 11th, 2010 at 5:14 pm

    anyone who thinks ortiz is more valuble than tex knows zero about baseball. ortiz contributes a homer here and there. tex will contribute, but brings the first base gg defense which has saved a lot of errors. tex is far and away more valuble.

  79. Jeremy June 11th, 2010 at 5:14 pm

    I said this before and I will say it again. The A-rod contract was a joke and the Yankees will regret it down the line. I’m not a A-rod hater but the guy is a former steroid user so his homerun chase means nothing now. Also the Yankees will be stuck with him till he is 41 which is really bad.

    I know some fans want to make excuses but you know in your hearts that this contract was a mistake. I don’t care how much money the Yankees have you shouldn’t spend that much money and give that many years for one player especially in his 30′s.

  80. GreenBeret7 June 11th, 2010 at 5:14 pm

    Well, I see that the little yellow bus from The School For Idiots have delivered their cargo to the doors of Lohud. Time to check out. Have fun with little Bret and his equally intelligent little friends.

  81. Bret the Hitman June 11th, 2010 at 5:14 pm

    pat June 11th, 2010 at 5:13 pm
    Bret

    If his body breaks down to the point where it is hurting the team, you DFA him and eat the salary.

    They ate close to $100M for Pavano and Igawa and got next to nothing from either. Money will not hold back the Yankees from fielding a winning team.
    *************

    I really don’t like the sound of that.

  82. blake June 11th, 2010 at 5:14 pm

    I don’t think you can absolutely conclude that a 34 year old with 8,500+ career AB’s doesn’t just have a nagging injury from normal wear and tear.

  83. MaineYankee June 11th, 2010 at 5:15 pm

    Bret

    My point is that this issue is through out baseball and you can’t change what has taken place. So you can fret and worry about that contract all you want but it won’t change the fact that he will get that money.

  84. xyz June 11th, 2010 at 5:16 pm

    My view on steroids, fwiw, was altered somewhat by watching the movie “Bigger, Stronger, Faster”:

    http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1151309/

    I’m not saying I would use them (the natural route is the root for me), but I do believe that the public opinion on steroids has been manipulated by the Powers That Be.

    In a nutshell: the risks seem to have been overstated.

  85. Tom June 11th, 2010 at 5:16 pm

    It is naive to think that the use of steroids won’t make A-Rod’s body and performance erode and quickly. Power hitters just don’t stay effective into their late 30s in the post-steroid era.

    That being said, he keeps his body in shape better than any of the other steroid users. He doesn’t have the slugger body that is conducive to decline like Giambi, Ortiz, McGwire, etc.

  86. Patrick June 11th, 2010 at 5:16 pm

    I don’t think you can absolutely conclude that a 34 year old with 8,500+ career AB’s doesn’t just have a nagging injury from normal wear and tear.

    Exactly my point, unless you are a medical expert that has seen A-rod’s MRI results, knows all about his previous medical history and examined the hip.

    So I’m assuming Bret is such an expert and has done all of these things, how else could he come to such a conclusion?

  87. Jeremy June 11th, 2010 at 5:16 pm

    TMZ
    Check out Ortiz’s production of late. His average is going down everyday and he has returned to his April numbers. Many Sox fans want to get rid of Ortiz. So I wouldn’t be talking about how great Ortiz is.

  88. xyz June 11th, 2010 at 5:17 pm

    (by ‘root’ I mean the type that grows like this):

    http://www.chicagonow.com/blog.....a-leaf.jpg

  89. pat June 11th, 2010 at 5:19 pm

    Bret

    Why don’t you like the sound of that?

  90. Bret the Hitman June 11th, 2010 at 5:19 pm

    MaineYankee June 11th, 2010 at 5:15 pm
    Bret

    My point is that this issue is through out baseball and you can’t change what has taken place. So you can fret and worry about that contract all you want but it won’t change the fact that he will get that money.
    ******************

    That’s true. He will cling to the treasure chest like a barnacle and I can’t change that.

    As far as other drug abusers throughout baseball?

    They’re not Yankees, so I really don’t care.

  91. Nick in SF June 11th, 2010 at 5:19 pm

    “Without the records, A-Rod’s contract is worthless.”

    In theory, if Arod helps the Yankees win more titles, as he did in 2009, the contract isn’t completely worthless.

    But that’s just a theory; it only works if the ghost of Arod is haunting the Canyon of Heroes in late Octobers.

    If Arod can’t get to first base without a walker in a couple years, he won’r be breaking any records and the contract won’t look great, but the team will probably find some way to stay competitive… or so we can hope.

  92. Jeremy June 11th, 2010 at 5:20 pm

    Greenberet7
    Just because someone has a different opinion doesn’t mean they are a troll or a kid. There is reason to be worried about this A-rod contract.

  93. Jersey Shore June 11th, 2010 at 5:21 pm

    Sigh

    Too many A-Rod apologists here who can’t see the frost through the trees.

    Wish Pete Abe was still here to inject some reality here. Say what you want about him, but his ability to see through A-Rod and not be a parrot for him was one of his best qualities.

  94. Bret the Hitman June 11th, 2010 at 5:21 pm

    Jeremy,

    Why respond to GreenBeret when he lashes out at people like that?

    It only reinforces his habit.

  95. Patrick June 11th, 2010 at 5:21 pm

    That’s true. He will cling to the treasure chest like a barnacle and I can’t change that.

    A-rod is now a ghost pirate who is stealing all of Steinbrenner’s bullion!

  96. G-C June 11th, 2010 at 5:21 pm

    I’m a realist, and I still don’t think this is particularly good news on a number of counts.

    The hip seems like it may be a chronic problem in the same way that Mantle’s was. When you’ve invested the amount that the organization has in him you get concerned when it looks like he’s beginning to break down in year three of a ten year, 275 million dollar deal.

    Point number two is that Arod, as much as I hate to say it, looks like a player on the decline. He hasn’t had a really elite offensive season since he signed this contract. His power is sporadic and leaves us always believing it will come (and it doesn’t seem to be coming at any point in the near future).

    If this hip is truly a problem I would rather shelve him for a month right now and hope some semblance of the old Arod can return after that and for the stretch run. It seems at this point that giving him the occasional day off, or weekend off, is not enough to mend whatever is going on here.

  97. Carl (Trade August Romain) June 11th, 2010 at 5:23 pm

    Jersey Shore June 11th, 2010 at 5:21 pm

    Sigh

    Too many A-Rod apologists here who can’t see the frost through the trees.

    Wish Pete Abe was still here to inject some reality here. Say what you want about him, but his ability to see through A-Rod and not be a parrot for him was one of his best qualities

    What the hell are you talking about? We’re talking about his contract. No one cares about the BS he says to the press. Pete Abe should worry about his health, Not A-Rod’s.

  98. Jeremy June 11th, 2010 at 5:23 pm

    I just never liked the contract and the majority of people don’t like it. I bet you the Yankees front office wish they could do re-do it.

  99. MaineYankee June 11th, 2010 at 5:24 pm

    Bret

    Should the Yankees be held accountable for that contract or did they just give him all that money without being sure it was a good investment.

    You can blame the players all you want and you are right, but you can’t give the owners and MLB a pass when they had to know what was going on.

  100. Jerkface June 11th, 2010 at 5:24 pm

    Its a real shame that A-rod’s steroid addled, ghoulish, and apparently soulless body can only hit 20% line drives :(

  101. Joe June 11th, 2010 at 5:25 pm

    Until he goes out there and hits a bunch of HRs in a row and drives the ball with authority, how can you not say it is a concern?

    Right now, he is on pace to put up Matsui-type numbers. We need more than that from our clean-up hitter.

    Until the guy hits for some power, the hip has to be a concern. Why else does he only have 8 HRs in mid-June?

  102. Jim June 11th, 2010 at 5:26 pm

    I just heard the Joe Girardi report on WFAN and Francesa asked about Eiland’s return and Girardi was very quick with his no comment response. I haven’t been following this story but I thought his leave was for some kind of family issue that was well documented. The best I can find on the blogs is that he’s not coming back any time soon. Is this a family issue or disciplinary?

  103. Bret the Hitman June 11th, 2010 at 5:27 pm

    G-C June 11th, 2010 at 5:21 pm
    I’m a realist, and I still don’t think this is particularly good news on a number of counts.

    The hip seems like it may be a chronic problem in the same way that Mantle’s was. When you’ve invested the amount that the organization has in him you get concerned when it looks like he’s beginning to break down in year three of a ten year, 275 million dollar deal.

    Point number two is that Arod, as much as I hate to say it, looks like a player on the decline. He hasn’t had a really elite offensive season since he signed this contract. His power is sporadic and leaves us always believing it will come (and it doesn’t seem to be coming at any point in the near future).

    If this hip is truly a problem I would rather shelve him for a month right now and hope some semblance of the old Arod can return after that and for the stretch run. It seems at this point that giving him the occasional day off, or weekend off, is not enough to mend whatever is going on here
    ********************

    I agree with this.

  104. Mike_Boston June 11th, 2010 at 5:27 pm

    # Jeremy June 11th, 2010 at 5:20 pm

    Greenberet7
    Just because someone has a different opinion doesn’t mean they are a troll or a kid. There is reason to be worried about this A-rod contract.

    ———————————————————————————————–

    Why is there a reason to be worried? It’s not your money number 1, number 2, when, over the last 10 years or so, has there been any financial constraints with this team in terms of going after and/or keeping players in their prime? I don’t get the panic at all. If he declines like some of you are predicting they will make their adjustments period. It’s a joke to think they will let this contract dictate the choice of putting out a contender year to year. The revenues of this team will not allow that and everyone, but some here apparently, know this as fact.

  105. Betsy - Hughes rules (Pleading the Fifth) June 11th, 2010 at 5:28 pm

    GC, are you kidding? What did Alex do in 2007? What about last year, when he missed half the year? What about his other MVP season?

  106. Yoda June 11th, 2010 at 5:28 pm

    Peter Abe: “Injuries are always (ALWAYS) worse than what the team say they are.”

  107. Betsy - Hughes rules (Pleading the Fifth) June 11th, 2010 at 5:29 pm

    I suspect Eiland won’t be back for awhile……..

  108. Number23 June 11th, 2010 at 5:29 pm

    “Steroid abuse has serious ramifications that are so well known in so many circles that it’s practically common knowledge.”

    When you assume….

    There’s a 14 year old girl on my daughter’s softball team who has had tendinitis in her knees and hips. I’m pretty sure she’s not a chronic steroid user.

    It could very well be that Arod’s issues are connected to his use of steroids but it’s just as likely that they aren’t.

    While it might be a fact that tendinitis is a side-effect of steroid abuse, it is far from a fact that Arod’s tendinitis is related to steroid abuse. That’s nothing more than conjecture and it’s dishonest to treat it as fact.

  109. NYYanksFan June 11th, 2010 at 5:30 pm

    “Until the guy hits for some power, the hip has to be a concern. Why else does he only have 8 HRs in mid-June?”

    Maybe they should MRI Tex’s hip.

  110. vblade June 11th, 2010 at 5:30 pm

    This reminds me of when the “Jeter is done” crowd was here a couple weeks ago.

  111. TMZ June 11th, 2010 at 5:30 pm

    Jeremy, grow a brain. I wasn’t praising Ortiz. I was comparing his rebound to Tex’s. Nobody said that Tex wasn’t a Golden Glove guy. Even when his bat is asleep, his defense never drops off. But Ortiz does have a higher BA and more HRs. That’s a fact. That doesn’t mean we should dump Tex for Ortiz. Some of you people on here are so dense, it’s ridiculous.

  112. Andrew June 11th, 2010 at 5:31 pm

    Eiland’s issue is personal in nature, Girardi already shot down any idea that it was a disagreement between the organization/team. I think he doesn’t want the press invading Eiland’s privacy, honestly, which is prob. why he’s terse when asked about it. Mattingly went through this in a much more open way when he was here and in LA as well as a coach, but I have no idea what the actual issue with Eiland is. Hope it all works out okay and he comes back soon though

  113. Carl (Trade August Romain) June 11th, 2010 at 5:32 pm

    A-Rod contract is going to prevent us from signing Pujols and Prince for bench depth :(

  114. G-C June 11th, 2010 at 5:33 pm

    Championships heal all wounds. In the course of a year everything that has gone wrong with Arod has, perhaps deservedly so, been forgotten. Aside from the steroid use, which is less relevant to me as a Yankee fan, the charade that he turned his post 2007 contract negotiations into was embarassing and still a mild sore spot for me. He opted out of his contract, realized that no one could give him the money that he would get here, and then came crawling back via a Goldman executive who is actually a close colleague of my mother’s. Worse, perhaps, is that he hardly took responsibility for his actions, instead choosing to pin it largely all on Boras. The end result? Both him and Boras look awfully content with each other and the 275 million that they managed to squeeze out of Steinbrenner.

    That debacle aside, 275 million dollars were not shelled up for Arod to put up .850 OPS sesaons. I have to believe that the contract was given with the expectation that Alex would have at least another couple 2005 and 2007-esque seasons left in the tank, interspersed with ’06 type seasons in between.

    We haven’t seen that yet- my fingers are crossed that we may still at some point. But I’m growing less and less optimistic.

  115. Sev June 11th, 2010 at 5:33 pm

    What does what A-Rod did in previous years have to do with A-Rod THIS year?

    He clearly doesn’t look right and his HR numbers reflect that.

  116. TMZ June 11th, 2010 at 5:33 pm

    I love how Bret is always on here constantly complaining about Rodriquez’s contract. Bret, were you complaining when he hit that HR against Nathan in the playoffs? Were you cursing his contract when he homered off of Fuentes? I didn’t think so.

  117. Jeremy June 11th, 2010 at 5:34 pm

    TMZ
    Did I respond to you in a negative way ? No ! So don’t tell me to “grow a brain”

    I was just responding to the Ortiz comparison so calm down and show some class !

  118. Joe June 11th, 2010 at 5:36 pm

    Tex’s entire swing is messed up. That’s why he is hitting .220 and striking out against any breaking ball. He’s also always been a slow starter and he is in his prime.

    A-Rod is hitting fine, he just isin’t hitting for any power and isin’t driving the ball. And he is 35, a steroid user, and coming off hip surgery.

    Apples and oranges.

  119. G-C June 11th, 2010 at 5:36 pm

    “GC, are you kidding? What did Alex do in 2007? What about last year, when he missed half the year? What about his other MVP season?”

    Before jumping on me you might want to consider what I said more closely. I said he hasn’t had an elite offensive season since 2007. I believe that means that 2008, 2009, and 2010 thusfar were not elite offensive seasons, which is true. He also missed one month last year- hardly “half the year”- but thats beside the point.

    I would take 7 more seasons like Arod had last year if he performs in the playoffs and nets us another couple titles. But in order to get there we need better out of him.

  120. Bret the Hitman June 11th, 2010 at 5:38 pm

    G-C June 11th, 2010 at 5:33 pm
    Championships heal all wounds. In the course of a year everything that has gone wrong with Arod has, perhaps deservedly so, been forgotten. Aside from the steroid use, which is less relevant to me as a Yankee fan, the charade that he turned his post 2007 contract negotiations into was embarassing and still a mild sore spot for me. He opted out of his contract, realized that no one could give him the money that he would get here, and then came crawling back via a Goldman executive who is actually a close colleague of my mother’s. Worse, perhaps, is that he hardly took responsibility for his actions, instead choosing to pin it largely all on Boras. The end result? Both him and Boras look awfully content with each other and the 275 million that they managed to squeeze out of Steinbrenner.

    That debacle aside, 275 million dollars were not shelled up for Arod to put up .850 OPS sesaons. I have to believe that the contract was given with the expectation that Alex would have at least another couple 2005 and 2007-esque seasons left in the tank, interspersed with ‘06 type seasons in between.

    We haven’t seen that yet- my fingers are crossed that we may still at some point. But I’m growing less and less optimistic.
    ***************

    Boras and Arod certainly took advantage of the Steinbrenners.

    Hank lost his influence because of that blunder.

    Arod is losing the legacy that that contract was intended to ensure.

    I predict he will never break the all-time HR record due to a combination of aging and long term steroid abuse.

    Does anybody want to bet me, $50,000?

    $50,000.

  121. TMZ June 11th, 2010 at 5:39 pm

    **Did I respond to you in a negative way ? No ! So don?t tell me to ?grow a brain?**

    Putting words into my mouth is responding to me in a negative way. I wasn’t praising Ortiz and was insulted that you said I was. Accusing a Yankees fan of praising a Boston fan is very offensive. The “grow a brain” comment was uncalled for, but I was annoyed and lashed out. I apologize for that.

  122. Jeremy June 11th, 2010 at 5:39 pm

    When will we stop talking about the past and start talking about the future.

    The fact is that the contract is a joke and if you think otherwise then you have to be a blind homer. I like A-rod but giving a contract like that is not prudent at all.

  123. Damo June 11th, 2010 at 5:40 pm

    G-C,

    The contract was based off his 2007 and the idea that he would be the clean HR king and they would make up the money for the contract in attendance, TV revenue, advertising, marketing, etc. and all the other things that come with the best player in baseball approaching hollowed milestones. The prestige of having the clean HR king in pinstripes. That is all down the drain now.

    Not only did the steroids void the authenticity of his records, it also has to be questioned whether or not his decline in performance is attributed to it. He could never approach his 07 numbers, that was unrealistic. But in 3 seasons (counting this), he is probably not going to hit more than 35 HRs or drive in more than 100 or so. Far cry from the 45/140 player we thought we were getting.

  124. CUZ June 11th, 2010 at 5:42 pm

    Hey Mick

    What do you think about the New Pac 10

  125. DTX June 11th, 2010 at 5:42 pm

    The guy is on pace to put up Hideki Matsui numbers.

    Nice player, but not an elite offensive player.

    They need to figure our what happened to his power. His other stats are all OK, but 8 HRs?

  126. Jeremy June 11th, 2010 at 5:43 pm

    The problem is that some on here want to be blind homers and think that everything the Yankees and A-rod do is alright. I like A-rod but he is not a saint. He opted out during the World Series which showed a lack of class and he used the Yankees to get that joke of a contract. No other team was going to give that to him. The Yankees should have played hardball but they caved.

  127. Bret the Hitman June 11th, 2010 at 5:43 pm

    The prestige of having the clean HR king in pinstripes. That is all down the drain now.

    Not only did the steroids void the authenticity of his records, it also has to be questioned whether or not his decline in performance is attributed to it.
    ***************

    Bothers me.

  128. LGY June 11th, 2010 at 5:45 pm

    How can you judge the entirety of A-Rod’s contract 7 1/2 years in advance of it expiring?

    Not to mention none of you know what the state of MLB contracts will be 5, 6,7 years from now.

    You have no clue how the $20 million he is making down the road relates to players of comparable talent.

    There is no title for being the most “prudent” team in baseball. That is not how you win WS and that is now how the FA market works.

  129. TMZ June 11th, 2010 at 5:45 pm

    You people are debating A-Rod’s contract like there’s something that can be done about it now. I wouldn’t have signed him to that contract either, but I would have signed him. It’s not a contract that can be moved or traded away so why are people driving themselves crazy being upset about something that can’t be changed?

  130. m June 11th, 2010 at 5:46 pm

    Alex has been talking to school-age children. I’d wager he’s telling kids not to do steroids because of the side effects.

    And there’s no sense worrying about that contract. It’s a done deal and, apparently, unbreakable. But, people have the right to point out how bad that contract is.

  131. Andrew June 11th, 2010 at 5:47 pm

    If A-Rod was a True Yankee, he would just void the last 5 years of his contract :( According to these fans he still hasn’t earned it yet I suppose

  132. LGY June 11th, 2010 at 5:51 pm

    I am sure most of you would have preferred the Yankees letting Alex walk.

    Then last year you could have all reveled in that satisfaction of getting rid of the “selfish” ARod while you watched the Yankees get bounced from the playoffs.

    Not his fault he has a great agent that got him a great contract. Makes him a real smart guy in my book and deserving of a ton of respect for being able to pull in that kind of dough not once, but twice.

    You guys should go tell your boss you deserve a pay cut for spending time on Lohud.

    If not, you are selfish. That’s how this works right?

  133. m June 11th, 2010 at 5:51 pm

    Chad,

    How did Gardner’s BP session go?

  134. Larry June 11th, 2010 at 5:52 pm

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    Exactly. Maybe it’s just me, but seeing that he has a 20% line drive rate isn’t that consoling. Depends on your expectations, I suppose. I think he’s being paid to be elite and he sure as hell hasn’t been anywhere near that this season. That said, he hasn’t been bad. He’s still a productive player. Just not as productive,

  135. tala08 June 11th, 2010 at 5:53 pm

    “But, people have the right to point out how bad that contract is.”

    I just wonder how many times and for how long they feel the need to do this? Its like feeling the need to say the sky is blue every day.

  136. Bret the Hitman June 11th, 2010 at 5:54 pm

    That’s just the thing though.

    Who wants to give Arod and Boras credit for outsmarting the New York Yankees?

    If that’s the case, Carl Pavano is a genius and we should respect him more for his wits even if our team suffered because of his antics.

  137. Nick in SF June 11th, 2010 at 5:54 pm

    “Too many A-Rod apologists here who can’t see the frost through the trees.”

    Arod took the road less traveled, and that has made all the difference?

  138. Jeremy June 11th, 2010 at 5:54 pm

    It was still a stupid contract period !

    I don’t know how someone can defend giving a contract like that. Also if the Yankees were more prudent during the 2000′s then we wouldn’t have been stuck with the gary sheffield’s and Jason Giambi’s of the world.

    I never said I didn’t like A-rod but the contract is a joke and you can spin it anyway you like it. Also A-rod is a Yankee and there is no such thing as a true Yankee. Just more hyperbole from some fans.

  139. vblade June 11th, 2010 at 5:55 pm

    I don’t even know how this discussion went spiraling downward to discussing a contract no one can do anything about. He cashed in on his multiple MVP seasons, and being the best hitter in the game. He’s business-savvy and found a way to get above market deals during both of the times he was a FA.

    His decline is overstated. He’s got wear and tear from playing since he was 17. He’ll probably age quicker with the steroid use and the mileage on his legs. But you know what? If the Yankees win a 2-3 more World Series while he’s here, it’s all worth it.

    Because the first one last year, he singlehandedly brought us that championship. Without him, there is no 2009 WS title.

  140. Nat June 11th, 2010 at 5:56 pm

    If he was hitting like pre-08 Alex, no one would care what it cost the team. When he is exhibiting signs of decline like he has, and on pace to hit 20 HRs, then it is a problem.

    Forget the contract, he is hurting the team wit those numbers because we expected so much more of him. As others have said, we didn’t sign him to that mega-deal because we thought he’d become Matsui.

  141. champ809 June 11th, 2010 at 5:56 pm

    That is the exact point about ARod and his contract….

    The Yanks I’m sure internally are concerned if not at this point maybe even resigned to the fact that they got fleeced bigtime in this deal.

    They agreed to this deal based on the assumption that he’d hit roughly 400 HRs and be the undisputed clean HR king and that the drive to breaking the record would be a huge windfall marketing oppurtunity that would allow them to more than recoup their investment in the player.

    As it looks right none of those things will happen and so based on value they overpaid for his services in both years and value. he will probably be break the HR record but it won’t be nearly as celebrated and is now forever tainted. We could be seeing the beginning of his decline as a player @ 35 and he’s signed til 42 @ 30 mil per. I always felt that he was taking HGH in ’07 so I highly doubt that we see a repeat of that year but I’m sure the Yanks were thinking he’d avg .300+/40-45/130-140rbis and that has to be at least in question right now.
    We’ll see how it plays out

  142. CB June 11th, 2010 at 5:57 pm

    “Hank lost his influence because of that blunder.”

    This was one of the real positives that emerged from the way Alex’s contract was mishandled.

    On net, that’s a real positive.

    If all it took to eliminate Hank from the management of the team and doing things like interfering with whether or not to trade Hughes, ,then $275M is an efficient investment to achieve those ends.

    Alex – $275M
    Letting Hal run the club – priceless.

    And as an aside the notion that Alex is “worthless” is ridiculous because he was by far the teams best player the second half of last year, in the playoffs and the world series.

    Without Alex their probability of winning was much, much worse. There’s no way to replace what he did.

    So not only did his contract push Hank to the side but he also was a critical piece to a World Series.

    And flags fly forever. Especially when you’ve just moved into a new stadium that has increased your revenues to close to $500M yearly.

    Sounds like a very good deal to me.

  143. Phil the Thrill June 11th, 2010 at 5:58 pm

    This thread is a step back for civilization. Later.

  144. Jeremy June 11th, 2010 at 5:58 pm

    It’s not about letting A-rod walk. It’s about the Yankees not playing hardball with him when no other team was going to pay him that much. The front office talked a big game and caved. They were in a position of strength.

    But I’m not going to talk about this anymore because I already gave my opinion.

  145. vblade June 11th, 2010 at 6:00 pm

    CB June 11th, 2010 at 5:57 pm

    flags fly forever.

    —————-

    Love that quote. 2009 is priceless and A-Rod was the main cog of the whole thing. Whether he “earns” the rest of the contract, the Yankees and their fans still have the priceless memories of a stupendous 2009 postseason.

  146. MaineYankee June 11th, 2010 at 6:00 pm

    Bret & Jeremy

    What is your solution seeing you feel it’s such a problem?

  147. m June 11th, 2010 at 6:00 pm

    tala08,

    lol. No, nobody has the right to moan about the contract on a daily basis. And to be fair, Brett’s comments are the first I’ve seen here in a long time. Pete would’ve instigated it much sooner with an anti-Alex thread. :P

    I think most of us who didn’t like the contract objected to the length of it. And it was disheartening to find out about the steroids because the spirit of the contract was based on the HR chase. So, we’ll see how Yankee fans who didn’t like Barry Bonds will cheer for Alex in his quest.

  148. Bad Scooter June 11th, 2010 at 6:00 pm

    Arod CARRIED us to the World Series just a 1/2 a year ago. Clutch hit after clutch hit. Now all of a sudden he’s done? People get dinged up playing 162 games a season, always have, always will.

    The haters have just moved on from “he’s not clutch and we’ll never win with Arod on this team” to “the contract is going to kill us in the future”. They just can’t get over the fact that Alexander Emmanuel Rodriguez was the main man (aong with CC) in leading the New York Yankees to the 2009 World Series Title. Get over it.

  149. yankee 822 June 11th, 2010 at 6:00 pm

    I’m starting to think he may not get the HR record at all and we might not have to worry about determining the authenticity of it.

  150. MTU (aka GBURL) June 11th, 2010 at 6:01 pm

    CB-

    “Letting Hal run the club – priceless.”

    But you have to admit A-Rod really ran up the MC bill. :)

  151. Don June 11th, 2010 at 6:02 pm

    Arod was a huge part in winning one WS title. How much is that worth? If he can contribute to a few more then he will be worth the money. If he really fizzles out then it is lost money. I don’t think he will be the all time HR leader, and that is just as well.

  152. vblade June 11th, 2010 at 6:02 pm

    BTW, no one needs to be an “apologist” for A-Rod. I believe he already did all the necessary talking for himself last postseason – with his bat.

  153. Erin June 11th, 2010 at 6:03 pm

    Bad Scooter June 11th, 2010 at 6:00 pm
    Arod CARRIED us to the World Series just a 1/2 a year ago. Clutch hit after clutch hit. Now all of a sudden he’s done? People get dinged up playing 162 games a season, always have, always will.

    The haters have just moved on from “he’s not clutch and we’ll never win with Arod on this team” to “the contract is going to kill us in the future”. They just can’t get over the fact that Alexander Emmanuel Rodriguez was the main man (aong with CC) in leading the New York Yankees to the 2009 World Series Title. Get over it.

    *******************************
    excellent post. Completely agree. :)

  154. xyz June 11th, 2010 at 6:05 pm

    In one post-season, A-Rod had more career-defining moments than 98% of the players will have in their lifetimes.

    Hell, he had more career-defining positive October moments than the Chicago Cubs have had in the history of their franchise.

  155. Joe June 11th, 2010 at 6:05 pm

    How long is A-Rod going to live off last year for?

    It is a new year.

  156. MaineYankee June 11th, 2010 at 6:06 pm

    I find it quite hard to understand how someone can think an org. the size of the Yankees got fleeced on a player contract. Are they really that bad at running the buisness?

  157. Don June 11th, 2010 at 6:06 pm

    I hadn’t seen CBs comment, so I change my view: if the Arod deal got rid of Hank, then it is already worth it. Hank would have destroyed this team.

  158. Texcetera June 11th, 2010 at 6:06 pm

    The contract is a moot point. Does anyone think for a second that the Yankees will stop being competitive because Arod’s incentives are kicking in? We’re not the Royal’s here! Who cares about people who argue over salaries, and what we spend. It’s beating a dead horse. The Yankees play withing the rules of the system. If Baseball doesn’t like it, then put in a salary cap. Until then S.T.F.U.

  159. Dime June 11th, 2010 at 6:07 pm

    A-Rod last year through 58 games hit 17 HRs
    Through 58 games this year, he has 8 HRs

    And last year he was coming off hip surgery and went through a horrible slump and had to be sat down for 2 days as well.

    What is A-Rod’s excuse this year? If he could demonstrate that much power last year coming off surgery, why are his HR totals down so much this year when he has been seemingly healthy?

  160. Jeremy June 11th, 2010 at 6:07 pm

    MaineYankee
    I just gave my opinion that I didn’t like the contract. And that it’s a joke and it is. I said this before but I’m not going to talk about it anymore because what’s done is done.

    With time more and more will regret this contract.

  161. Bad Scooter June 11th, 2010 at 6:09 pm

    “Joe June 11th, 2010 at 6:05 pm
    How long is A-Rod going to live off last year for?

    It is a new year.”

    For me? A lifetime.

  162. Texcetera June 11th, 2010 at 6:10 pm

    @ Dime

    You are right, he should be at about 17 homeruns. Something isn’t right, and it’s that damn hip. Some injuries are permanent, remember Donnie B.

  163. Jeremy June 11th, 2010 at 6:10 pm

    It’s not about A-rod helping us win a World Series. I’m not a hater I like A-rod. But some people don’t like the contract.

  164. Bad Scooter June 11th, 2010 at 6:10 pm

    “Dime June 11th, 2010 at 6:07 pm
    A-Rod last year through 58 games hit 17 HRs
    Through 58 games this year, he has 8 HRs

    And last year he was coming off hip surgery and went through a horrible slump and had to be sat down for 2 days as well.

    What is A-Rod’s excuse this year? If he could demonstrate that much power last year coming off surgery, why are his HR totals down so much this year when he has been seemingly healthy?”

    Get back with with when the season is over. Thanks.

  165. vblade June 11th, 2010 at 6:11 pm

    Joe June 11th, 2010 at 6:05 pm
    How long is A-Rod going to live off last year for?

    It is a new year.

    ————————-

    When you almost singlehandedly carry an entire offense on your back to win a World Series, usually you’re revered as a hero in the city you won it in for a lifetime.

    But apparently, with Yankee fans, less than a year is enough for people to start throwing you back under the bus.

  166. tala08 June 11th, 2010 at 6:11 pm

    Funny, when he wasn’t “clutch enough” people wanted to dwell forever. Now he’s “living off of last year.”

    Maybe he can live on it for as long as retired Yankees live off the Dynasty Years. In other words, forever.

  167. Texcetera June 11th, 2010 at 6:11 pm

    Hank.

  168. Bret the Hitman June 11th, 2010 at 6:11 pm

    I’m beginning to think the Yankees should really hold tight to that Brandon Laird kid and leave the DH spot wide open after 2011 when Posada’s contract expires.

    Whatever extends Arod’s health and production is best for the team.

  169. mick June 11th, 2010 at 6:13 pm

    Long live the dead Yankees!

  170. tala08 June 11th, 2010 at 6:13 pm

    We all know many people don’t like his contract. Its not news. So why are people talking like he signed it last week? Makes no sense. The contract will not stop the Yankees from signing a player they really want. In the past they walked because they didn’t want to make the deal, not because they couldn’t. And it will be the same in years to come.

  171. Bad Scooter June 11th, 2010 at 6:13 pm

    From 2003 to 2008 Arod’s HR numbers were 47, 36, 48, 35, 54 and 35. His HR numbers fluctuated each and every year. And you can’t use HGH as an excuse. What did he only use HGH in the even number years? You guys are grasping at straws here.

  172. MTU (aka GBURL) June 11th, 2010 at 6:13 pm

    CB

    Want to know what’s really priceless ?

    A great baseball discussion that involves many knowledgeable people, and which doesn’t descend into name calling, banality, and blathering insanity.

    It comes around around every now and again just like Halley’s comet.

    Wish it had a shorter periodicity. :)

  173. m June 11th, 2010 at 6:14 pm

    I’ll probably be around here at the end of the season to discuss Alex’s HR production this season. But I don’t think I’ll be around in 2017 to discuss whether or not Alex’s contract was worth it. :P

  174. DTX June 11th, 2010 at 6:14 pm

    The other thing you don’t like is that HR hitters (especially Alex) tend to hit their HRs in bunches. A-Rod’s 8 HRs have been extremely spread out. He hasn’t had a hot week or 2 weeks where he belted 6 of them.

    Look at Ortiz, he had 10 HRs in May alone

  175. Jeremy June 11th, 2010 at 6:14 pm

    With that said I hope A-rod gets better and that he is productive. We need his production.

  176. Bret the Hitman June 11th, 2010 at 6:15 pm

    Dime June 11th, 2010 at 6:07 pm
    A-Rod last year through 58 games hit 17 HRs
    Through 58 games this year, he has 8 HRs

    And last year he was coming off hip surgery and went through a horrible slump and had to be sat down for 2 days as well.

    What is A-Rod’s excuse this year? If he could demonstrate that much power last year coming off surgery, why are his HR totals down so much this year when he has been seemingly healthy?
    **************

    I expressed concern about this earlier in the year.

    I was troubled by the hip surgery following the admitted steroid abuse.

    Now, with the tendonitis in the hip discovered, those numbers really worry me.

  177. blake June 11th, 2010 at 6:15 pm

    You can take back Arod’s contract but in doing so you also have to return the title from last year…who is willing to do that? ..they don’t win it without him.

  178. ... June 11th, 2010 at 6:15 pm

    “A-rod is now a ghost pirate who is stealing all of Steinbrenner?s bullion!”

    Alright, there needs to be an amusement park ride and a movie trilogy of it now.

  179. m June 11th, 2010 at 6:16 pm

    lol. Ortiz. Every time he hits his HRs in bunches people the steroid jokes pop up.

  180. Cameron Diaz June 11th, 2010 at 6:16 pm

    Trust me boys and girls, A-ROD is not having hip problems because of the surgery or steriods. I’m a surfer girl and I’m just riding that wave as long as i can – wink wink

  181. CB June 11th, 2010 at 6:17 pm

    Was Alex’s contract a good one? Not really. Hank screwed the it up.

    That said, people grossly exaggerate how bad it was and really overestimate it’s financial impact on the club.

    After the year he had in 2007 Alex was going to at least get an extension which would have put him under contract for 8 years.

    He wound up getting 10.

    Do people really think those 2 marginal years are some how going to cripple the team?

    Not even close.

    If you want to argue about the financial impact of this contract you really need to look at the yankees revenues in this new stadium and really factor in the YES network as well.

    Better yet – do a comparison of the yankees revenues compared to all other clubs. It is jaw dropping. And those figures don’t even include YES.

    The value of winning the world series last year has probably already knocked off the financial hit of year 9 of the deal.

    The only thing that could hurt the yankees financially would be if the Steinbrenners sold the team to a massively leveraged buyer. That’s just about it.

    And the probability of that happening went down when Hank stepped away and Hal took orderly control of operations.

    There is almost no way to describe how valuable that is to the yankees and it their fans.

  182. Anthony Murillo June 11th, 2010 at 6:18 pm

    I’ve been the type to boo any player wearing the Yankee pinstripes, especially a player with the ability of Alex Rodriguez. The guy was a huge, huge part of us winning a World Championship and he’ll forever have my apperciation.

  183. Jeremy June 11th, 2010 at 6:18 pm

    We need to keep Brandon Laird. We better stop trading top prospects because Jeter, and A-rod are not getting younger. Also you can’t depend on Free Agency all the time. We got lucky when we got CC, Tex, and A.J.

  184. m June 11th, 2010 at 6:18 pm

    Cameron,

    You’re such a clutz, I wouldn’t be surprised if you’re responsible for this whole mess! Didn’t you break your nose learning how to surf in Hawaii?

  185. Damo June 11th, 2010 at 6:19 pm

    No one is killing A-Rod for last year or what he did last year – it was heroic and he won us a WS.

    What does that have to do with his power outage this year? Last year, as dime pointed out, he was well over this pace through the same number of games. And that was his recovery from hip surgery.

    No one is “killing” him, we are just concerned.

  186. CB June 11th, 2010 at 6:20 pm

    Finally the reason why Alex has trouble with his hip is due to his hitting mechanics. He generates so much force and torque through his torso and legs it puts a great deal of pressure on his hip joint.

    But that’s also what makes him special. It’s why he gets so much backspin on the ball and has such massive power to center field and right.

    You can’t have those wonderous home runs without the risk of the hip becoming an issue.

    But then, many yankee fans aren’t real good at accepting the need to make trades off about anything baseball related.

    The utopia of fandom.

  187. Cameron Diaz June 11th, 2010 at 6:22 pm

    M –

    we have a beach house @ the north shore – and yes he does have a painting of himself as a centaur – aloha

  188. m June 11th, 2010 at 6:23 pm

    You mean “on” the North Shore, right? And, girl, I know you’re not surfing those waves. :P

  189. Jay June 11th, 2010 at 6:24 pm

    New Post

  190. Comet June 11th, 2010 at 7:45 pm

    For once I agree with Brett. A-Rod’s contract does constrain the Yanks somewhat. If there is a hard cap imposed by the Steinbrenners then it is a constraint. Even with a soft it matters. There are eventually only so many dollars to spend. It is a bad contract IMO. Thing is it is done. It’s history. We can hope for inflation to ease its impact and for A-Rod to defy age and make the contract worth while.

    IMO opinion the contract was entered into in bad faith by A-Rod. He denied using steriods. In the business world that is known as misrepresentation and normally

  191. Larry June 11th, 2010 at 9:35 pm

    Did that contract really cost Hank his influence with the team? Way I remember, it was clear fairly early in the 2008 season that Hal was going to be the real power. That Hal was the one at the park every day. That Hal was the one really controlling the pursestrings. But it was Hank, not him, who was responsible for the contract? Therefore the contract was worth it? I don’t buy it.

    Second half of last year? Tex was much better than Rodriguez. Much better. Obviously we have the playoffs where there is a bigger difference to Arod. However, I don’t see how that translates to Rodriguez being far and way their best player in the second half.

    Let’s not look at last year’s postseason in a vacuum and forget the dreadful playoff series he had in previous seasons. Series that potentially cost them other championships. And while he had an ALLTIME postseason, saying he won it singlehandedly is a bit strong. Games 2 and 6 represent 50% of the WS wins. Rodriguez did nothing major in either game.

    While I really respect CB’s opinions as generally informed and well reasoned, to suggest that these hip issues are something akin to an acceptable tradeoff is far fetched, IMO. Retrospect is one thing. You can look at a lot of things in retrospect and say, you could see it coming.

    There have been any number of players in baseball who have had violent swings, unusual pitching deliveries that, at face value, one could see as leading to injury. Alex Rodriguez had played everyday for 12 years with one trip to the DL, and that wasn’t related to his hip. Now, this is something that should have been anticipated as a reasonable possibility because of the toque in his swing? We have no real right to be annoyed because this possibility was areasonable tradeoff for the amazing power he has, or at least used to have. I don’t buy it. Nobody would have predicted this.

    I’ll bite. Who was going to give Rodriguez an 8 year contract in the 220-240 million dollar range?
    Who was doing that? What team? I were the Yankees, I would have gone 6 for 180ish. Very bad contract from the start. Granted, 8 years I might have still disliked, but not as much as 10.
    That was just crazy for a player turning 33 the next season. To top it off, they have to give him bonuses to do what he should be doing to even come close to warranting the contract in the first place.

    I don’t want to overstae it, though. Not the worst contract ever. Not Pavano bad. But still pretty damn bad.

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