Game 63: Yankees vs. Astros
Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Gameday Thread on Jun 13, 2010 
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YANKEES (39-23)
Derek Jeter SS
Curtis Granderson CF
Mark Teixeira 1B
Robinson Cano 2B
Nick Swisher DH
Jorge Posada C
Brett Gardner LF
Chad Huffman RF
Ramiro Pena 3B
RHP Phil Hughes (8-1, 2.71)
Career vs. Astros
ASTROS (25-38)
Michael Bourn CF
Jeff Keppinger 2B
Hunter Pence RF
Carlos Lee DH
Cory Sullivan LF
Pedro Feliz 3B
Geoff Blum 1B
Tommy Manzella SS
Kevin Cash C
RHP Brian Moehler (0-2, 6.12)
Career vs. Yankees
TIME/TV: 105 p.m. / YES Network
UMPIRES: HP Ted Barrett, 1B Tony Randazzo, 2B Brian Gorman, 3B Paul Nauert
WEATHER: Temperatures in the 70s and climbing. There’s a chance of rain later this evening, but things look good for the game itself.
THE GREAT UNKNOWN: Phil Hughes has never allowed a hit to any of the current Astros. They have a perfect .000 batting average, .000 on-base and .000 slugging percentage against him. That’s largely because the Astros experience against Hughes consists of two at-bats by Jason Michaels, who’s not even in the lineup today.
CANO STAT OF THE DAY: Robinson Cano has 99 career home runs and needs just one more for an even 100. In his past 17 games, Cano is batting .464 with six doubles, 18 RBI and three home runs.
ON THIS DATE: On June 13, 1948, Babe Ruth made his final appearance at Yankee Stadium. The franchise retired his No. 3 that day during ceremonies commemorating the 25th anniversary of the stadium. A little more than two months later, Ruth died.
UPDATE, 1:14 p.m.: Sitting next to Marc Carig who 30 seconds ago said, “That’s baseball” and I knew exactly what he meant. Second ball put in play goes right to Chad Huffman. No time for Welcome To The Big Leagues jitters. Time to make a play. And he did.
UPDATE, 1:17 p.m.: As I understand the rule, the hitter is not required to get out of the way on a stolen base attempt. He simply can’t intentionally get in the way. Posada’s throw to third hit off Carlos Lee’s bat — never seen that happen — and both runners were safe on the double steal. It made a difference when Lee wound up with a sac fly for a 1-0 Houston lead.
UPDATE, 1:32 p.m.: Derek Jeter and Mark Teixeira each throwing frustration in the same inning. Don’t see that too often. Teixeira thought he was hit by a pitch that appeared on replays to hit the dirt before clipping his foot. Jeter flung some dirt after he was thrown out trying to steal second base.
UPDATE, 1:52 p.m.: Oh man what a play by Ramiro Pena. The guy was in on the grass to defend the bunt and made a diving grab on a line drive.
UPDATE, 2:02 p.m.: Base hit in Chad Huffman’s first big league at-bat. He worked the count full then reached on an infield single. Wonder if he’s ever run 90 feet that fast in his life.
UPDATE, 2:20 p.m.: There’s home run No. 100 for Robinson Cano, who just tied the game at 1.
UPDATE, 2:35 p.m.: It wasn’t much, just a little bloop single to right, but the bases-loaded hit from Ramiro Pena was enough for a 3-1 Yankees lead in the fourth inning.
UPDATE, 2:47 p.m.: Big pitch by Hughes. Hunter Pence is the most dangerous hitter in this lineup and Hughes went right after him to strand runners at the corners.
UPDATE, 3:10 p.m.: Jorge Posada hits grand slams. It’s just what he does. He hit one yesterday. He’s hit one today. I can guarantee he will not hit one tomorrow. It’s now 7-1 Yankees.
UPDATE, 3:11 p.m.: Single for Brett Gardner, and the scoreboard showed a picture of Gardner dressed like Bret “The Hitman” Hart. It was basically the greatest thing I’ve ever seen in my life.
UPDATE, 3:12 p.m.: Chad Huffman is clearly trying to reach base every way possible this afternoon. Single, walk and now a strikeout with the catcher dropping the ball.
UPDATE, 3:32 p.m.: Tommy Manzella had a big hit off Andy Pettitte yesterday, and his 10-pitch at-bat here in the sixth inning seemed to really wear down Hughes, who ultimately allowed a two-run single then gave up a two-run home run to Kevin Cash. That’s it for Hughes, with Damaso Marte coming in to face Michael Bourn with the score now 7-5.
UPDATE, 3:58 p.m.: RBI singles from Swisher and Gardner push the lead to 9-5 with Chan Ho Park coming in to pitch the top of the eighth seventh.
UPDATE, 4:05 p.m.: Nice catch by Brett Gardner to end the seventh (not the eighth).
What ever happened to Cody Ransom?
Wonder what Strasburg will do for an encore
Sure would be nice to get Ace back. I guess the fact that he had no pain in his back after throwing off flat ground is a good sign, at least.
Why are we worrying about CC?
Last year after 13 starts, 5-4 3.68 era
This year after 13 starts, 6-4 4.01 era.
I think we’d all agree that today’s game result will be secondary Phil Hughes average fastball velocity, the break on this curve and the % he uses it, and his ability to keep his ERA within spitting distance of Clay Buchholz’s.
If the Yanks win, that would be nice too I guess.
Just one comment on steroids:
Whatever effect HGH has — whether on athletic performance per se (something I believe nobody has yet proved to be the case), or simply on recovery time from injuries — it isn’t a steroid. I wish people would stop conflating the two.
As for PED’s in general, I agree that A-Rod will eventually be elected, 15 years from now or so, when a new generation of sports writers that isn’t so obsessed with the so-called sanctity of the game (and isn’t so willing to ignore the widespread use of greenies in the ’50’s and ’60’s, if not much later), constitutes the electorate.
Not to mention that unless you buy all the unproven allegations of Selena Roberts, it has yet to be established that A-Rod ever used anything illegal other than in the years with Texas he’s admitted to. How many random drug tests has he passed since then? Many, I suspect.
I don’t think you can keep someone out of the Hall based on speculation. And I don’t think it’s going to happen. If Pettite ends up with the requisite numbers, he’ll be elected too. I see a lot more hostility towards Clemens, but I suspect he’ll get in someday as well, before Bonds, Sosa, Palmeiro, or McGuire.
I wonder if the Yanks picked up the cost of flying in Huffman’s family to see his first game in the bigs. Would be pretty cool if they did.
Just submitting my prediction for the final score:
5-4, Yanks.
9-1, ‘Stros
Strasburg is about to strike out 27
Phil doesn’t have good stuff today, hopefully he’ll work through it and get stronger as the game goes on.
I’ve never seen that before. Never have seen a throw hit a bat.
9 consecutive K’s going back to last game for Strasburg.
Nothing wrong with his stuff. Got distracted by Bourn on the bases.
Curveball has good bite and he’s up to 94 on the fastball with late movement.
I haven’t….bad luck.
Me neither SJ. First time I’ve seen that. Just lucky Posada didn’t hit the bat with his hand on the follow through. That would have been bad.
that was a good fastball to get the K, he’ll probably stick to it for the next couple of innings and get settled in.
Not an ace…
what a bs run. Lee should have been called for interference
You can go to a baseball game and there’s a chance you will see something you have never seen before.
Nutty way to give up a run. No more of those.
familar meat…..wow I hope thats not a jinx.
Bucholtz >> Hughes.
That’s not interference.
The batter has a right to his space in the batters box.
It was the correct call.
here we go….how bout Butholez….how does he compare against those two.
Sorry but Clay is not better than Hughes.
Just a Red Sox troll. Ignore the child.
Another blown call. The ball hit his foot.
poor tex…should of been at first
Yeah Tex is going to jump up and yell owww when he didn’t get hit. What a dumb call.
These guys get worse and worse.
40-50 blown calls a week and MLB just keeps their collective heads in the sand about it.
Embarassing.
I’m scared of the Sox. They are demolishing everyone in their path.
Why don’t umps ask for help more often. Is it a time issue or a control issue or what? It seems one of the other umps could have got that call right.
I’d like to see that from another angle.
Hafner ties the game with a solo shot. Strasburgs command doesn’t look good at all.
Nobody cares if you are afraid of the Red Sox.
I am not sure I like Jeter running there, but I guess I would have loved it if Robbie had gotten a hit or even if Jete was safe.
On another note, Tex was hot and rightly so. Bad call.
I thought Jetes was safe. Where’s the YES MO that Kay loves?
Somehow I don’t think the Yankees are afraid of the Red Sox. Since they are the ones actually playing the games, that’s all that matters.
I’m surprised when Granderson DOESN’T strikeout.
He should hit near the bottom of the order.
(Seems like a great guy, but he doesn’t make enough contact to bat above 7th or 8th.)
This ump sucks
Moehler and his 6+ ERA. And he shuts us down.
there was a perfect example of why Phil’s fastball is so effective-he threw it right down the middle, about 92, and the batter couldn’t square it up and hit a weak pop up to Cano. That shows how much life it has through the strike zone.
IMO Jeter was safe. But, that was a call that you can see going either way. The Tex non-call was just dumb.
they have problems to sweep weak teams
Pretty impressive inning.
SJ44?
Yeah the sox are really scary in 3rd place.
Moehler and his 6+ ERA. And he shuts us down.
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Come on, man, it was one inning, and he was bailed out by Ted Barrett. If you think he’s going to shut the Yanks down all afternoon, check your head.
I mean the Yanks and Rays are the class of the division and superior in my mind but the Sox aren’t a terrible team. They are only 3 games behind the Yanks which is basically a series. I think the Yanks finish ahead of them and the Sox miss the playoffs but they are probably the third best team in baseball right now. Unfortunately for them that means they are also third best in their own division lol.
Optimistic Poster
What do you mean by “us” ? I thought you were a Red Sox troll. Also it was the first inning idiot !
“Johnny Utah says:
June 13, 2010 at 1:30 pm
I’m scared of the Sox. They are demolishing everyone in their path.”
yeah the sox destroyed Cleveland. Oh wait…..
Clay Butholez — 2.52 ERA.
SJ, there was a story reported in the Times yesterday that Bud Selig has replaced Jimmie Solomon, former supervisor or whatever it’s called, with Frank Robinson. I’d think that’s a sign of displeasure with the situation. We’ll see what happens with Robinson in charge of the umps.
That’s in the batters box man
That pitch is well off the plate…I hope Hughes gets that same pitch.
Moehler’s ERA for the season is about 6, that equates to 4 runs in 6 innings. I have no doubts that the Yankees will score at least that number of runs today and that should be enough for a win.
This ump is garbage. Where did they get this guy from ? off the streets.
Joe
I hope Frank is looking at the home plate ump in this game.
Absolutely pathetic. Won’t be long until someone gets ejected.
Frank Robinson won’t be passive, that’s for sure.
He’s not a PC guy and that’s a good thing.
Ted Barrett is awful back there today. That pitch to Swisher was in the other batters box.
There will be some ejections today. Barrett is awful and he choosing to be confrontational.
Wonder how much the Astros paid this ump.
Wow, the Phillies are really struggling. Bases loaded, no outs with Howard and Werth coming up and they come away with Zero.
Kevin Millwood is getting beat down by the Mets. The O’s are so pathetic !
Thats a kangaroo court fine for Jorge. Mo will be harsh on him.
How many strikeouts will Stephen Strasburg have before his 1st walk?
What’s the record for a pitcher?
What’s the record for a starter?
Wow Pena
PENA!
Great play by Pena! Saved a double.
If Pena can’t do anything else, he can pick it.
Muts have no problem to sweep O’s, on the other hand, Yanks couldn’t.
I know someone is ready to show me Sux’s records vs. those teams.
That 0-2 pitch was much closer than the one to Swisher.
Moehler > Hughes in this game so far . No?
The Red Sox are 4-5 against the Orioles this year.
You aren’t going to sweep every bad team in a series.
That’s not how it happens in baseball.
Jaba Tips his cap
The Yankees have a really good record against the O’s. Any team at this point could take a series against the O’s.
And they would have swept the O’s if Pena wasn’t batting cleanup after Alex left the game
the trolls on this blog haven’t even finished the online course ‘Trolls 101, Trolling for Idiots’, their remarks are so stupid it just makes you laugh insted of getting irritated.
Peter Abe, go back to eating huge over sized sandwiches and baked beans. Pedroia eats kittens.
Pretty awesome Huffman’s whole family can be at his first ML game.
Grats Huffman!
yay for chad
Hey, legs one out in his first AB…I’d take it.
First ML hit!! Very, very cool!!
It’s all right Chad. Arod got his first hit the same way.
But Nava (?) hit a grand slam on his first pitch.
Good job Huffman !
That was really cool watching his family on that play.
“That 0-2 pitch was much closer than the one to Swisher.”
Gameday shows the one to Swisher was literally in the other batter’s box. It’s hard to believe the umpire could have construed that as being close to a strike.
Noesi through 4 shutout innings for Trenton, continues to impress.
Lets go Yankees.
Come on Pena.
Huffman’s a good outfielder, has some power to hit a few homers and quite a few doubles. He also has really good speed and is a smart base runner.
Thats a great play.
Lol, TBS announcers are confused because Strasburg’s changeup is at 92 mph and they don’t know what to call it.
First walk by Strasburg. Amazing.
vs. Hamels (era = 4), sux lead 1-0
vs. Moehler (era = 5.6), Yanks down 0-1
What does that mean genius? Nothing.
If Haffner was on the Yankees, his nickname would be Haffy.
Strasburg shouldn’t be throwing 3-2 changeups.
Dear Yankees,
Please jump out to a big lead here so I can watch the WC and not worry too much about channel flipping. Thanks.
Score some runs against this 6 ERA loser now please.
Cano!!
Looks like Pelfrey is having a hard time against the O’s.
that was almost inevitable.
It was just a matter of time. Moehler’s throwing 85 mph fastballs over the plate.
They scored!!! The kiddies can take a step back from the ledge!
Thank You Robbie. You have prevented some child suicides today!
I will take a wild guess here and say Hughes will give run(s) right back next inning.
Noesi continues to deal through 5 now.
Robinson continues to carry this O.
They listened
More please
That was a better pitch than before but you have to be swinging at that after his last AB.
The sux would be up by at least 7 runs by now against Moehler.
Indians vs Nationals is pretty boring
“Posada walked twice”
In the same AB
I am starving right now.
The Sux also would have had a team roid shooting session before the game.
Peter Abe. June 13th, 2010 at 2:20 pm
I will take a wild guess here and say Hughes will give run(s) right back next inning.
If you are correct, you’ll receive the coveted troll of the day award.
Hold that pile of manure prize proudly over your head and show all the other trolls.
They’ll be impressed.
“That was a better pitch than before but you have to be swinging at that after his last AB.”
blake
For the most part I agree, but it has to be difficult when you train yourself to only swing at what you think are strikes.
This guy’s pitch count is climbing.
How do you know the Sox would be up 7 runs against him ?
The Sox couldn’t even score alot of runs off of the Indians pitchers. Which is why they only split the series.
“For the most part I agree, but it has to be difficult when you train yourself to only swing at what you think are strikes.”
yea and Swisher has a pretty good knowledge of the strikezone…that one looked really close though, much closer than the previous one.
That’s a fake SJ44
>> That’s a fake SJ44
how can you tell? both real and fake sj44 are genuine phonies.
they fear Huffman. Good AB
“that one looked really close though, much closer than the previous one.”
Agree. Good cut bu Huff, nice AB.
Pena!!!
Huffman… not so smart
Thought this guy was a good base runner GB7!
Nice Pena. That bench continuing to contribute.
lol, the only time Pena seems to hit is with the bases loaded.
Good Pena, bad Huffman.
Awe come on Hufflepuff!
MSG June 13th, 2010 at 2:21 pm
The sux would be up by at least 7 runs by now against Moehler.
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listen troll, your team was shut out recently by the great Justin Masterson and is 3rd place, so get lost, back to your playpen.
Phillies score a run! 1-1 game
Noesi through 6 still pitching the shutout.
Pena can hit, especially left handed, the kid is not a terrible hitter, no matter who says so.
Pena also took a double away earlier. Nice game so far.
Phillies 3
Sox 1
3-1 Phillies now
Is anybody going to meet Brett Gardner this Wednesday at the Duane Reade on Lexington?
I heard on 880 that it will be from 12 – 1.
nice Phillies.
Hey guys
Could someone tell me what the answer to the trivia question from today’s game was? I really wanted to know but was a second too late flipping back to YES during the commercial break. The question was “Who is the longest current pair of NL teammates in MLB?”
MSG
I thought you were a Sox fan?
“Moehler and his 6+ ERA. And he shuts us down.”
Besides sounding stupid you don’t sound real optimistic.
….memories…
oswalt and berkman I believe.
Moehler is at 89 pitches in 4 innings. Huffman finds a way to get on base no matter the count.
Where was that pitch?
my goodness, where is that pitch..
clearly strike 3
“oswalt and berkman I believe”
ahh that’s what I guessed – usually the answer is something about the opposition that day. Thanks a lot.
This ump is a joke. Cash was out on strikes 2 times.
All of a sudden the ump is stingy with the strike zone to both pitchers. I hate inconsistant umps more than anything.
Where in the hell was that?
Oh wow. I am glad CR9 is not here. I would be forced to agree with him.
let’s see, Moehler’s ERA is 6, he’s pitched 4 innings and given up 3 runs-his ERA for today is……
6.75
Anyone complaining, go back to your video games…
down the middle at the knees.
Nope, its the real one and Chris, you are a moron. Not telling you something you don’t already know.
Ted Barrett misses two perfect strikes on the Cash AB, yet thinks balls in the other batters box on the Swisher AB’s are strikes. Amazing.
Barrett is embarassing himself back there today.
Phil needs to gather himself and pitch through this.
this umpire is terrible and he’s in Phil’s head right now.
poor hughes….should be out of this inning…oh well time to pick your teammate and the ump up
Phil made a perfect 3-2 pitch and now a rare E from Tex….gotta bare down now.
Speed caused Tex to rush that play. Phil can pick him up.
I’m turning this off for a bit…watching an ump this awful and biased makes me sick.
who said Jorge can’t block pitches in the dirt? That’s about 4 today…
Of course now Hughes is going to have to throw an extra 10-15 pitches or so because of that missed strikeout call.
Hughes has really got to focus here.
Phil -4 bos -1
FLA -1 TB -0
He’s lost the zone. Not good with Pence and Lee coming up. Need a ground ball in the worst way.
thanks for the giveback call
another blown call at second but this time we’ll take it.
nasty fb
that was the best pitch Phil has thrown today, 94 on the black…
atta boy hughes
nasty fb x2
GREAT JOB by hughes
actually, 2 in a row. This kid has the ability and composure to be a great starter for many years.
Great battle there by Hughes. He’s got to overcome these umps.
Man, these umpires are horrible today. Bourn was safe at second and it wasn’t close.
Great job by Hughes pitching out of that jam. Three terrific pitches to Hunter Pence for the K.
What a comeback by Phil. Just great stuff.
Just unbelievably impressive from Hughes, falls behind 3-0 and comes back to get that guy then K’s the next guy on 3 straight pitches. Thats Jorge’s K right there just as much as well..Pence definitely wasn’t looking fastball there.
Great job Phil ! Hughes is really developing into a special pitcher.
Well Pete, looks like you lost your bet. Now go have yourself a Sam Adams and behave yourself.
So, the Yanks may have caught a break with the out call at second, but, on the other hand, Phil had to record 5 outs because of the blown strikeout call by the HP ump, and the E3.
Life is full of ironies, and sometimes cosmic justice.
Ruh roh…storms are starting to roll though here in Saddle River.
That Houston SS is having himself a nice game.
What are you swinging at Tex?
Damn, we get Halladay?
I just realized that Chase Utley is batting .258.
Make that .257 for Utley who makes the third out of the inning. The Phillies offense is really not so good, but they are leading 4-1.
Fake SJ. Real SJ. They ate all fakes who think they know it all.
“I just realized that Chase Utley is batting .258.”
How about the Keebler Elf at .255
wasn’t Chacin a starter with Toronto?
It’s games like this that make you wonder what Tex is seeing or not seeing at the plate. A guy like Moehler is someone he should crush, especially at Yankee stadium.
He just can’t get on a sustained run. He just can’t. It’s at this point where you have to begin thinking this is who he’s going to be, at least for this season.
and Cano at .372
Dustin the elf is not going to beat Robinson Cano in All Star votes.
Chacin was indeed with TOR at one point.
Chacin was a starter with Toronto.
Yeah, you have to wonder about Tex. I keep thinking he needs Lasik or something because he just isn’t seeing the ball on a consistent basis. Everytime I think he’s pulling out of it, he goes back to having bad at-bats.
Robbie doesn’t usually chase those pitches.
Didn’t know Ronan Tynan pitched for the Astros
“Robbie doesn’t usually chase those pitches.”
Agree. I think that 3-1 swing is the difference between last year and this year.
man with the walks this game…and it has little to do with who is pitching
Strasburg fighting with the mound out there. He’s not been nearly as sharp today as his last outing. Still good, but not as sharp.
Strasburg looking like Joba
Posada!!!!!!!!!
2 in a row for POSADA!!!
Unreal, OMG this is amazing.
Yea turning Jorge around was clearly the right move.
Posada did it again !
HOLY CRAP!
Some managers never learn.
oops. Shouldn’t have thrown that pitch.
Noesi gave up a HR in the 7th, but still another great outing for the kid.
Trenton 6-1
Jorge goes slammy time again.
I hate curtain calls.
Hall of Fame.
Hall of Fame swing by a Hall of Fame player.
Laura June 13th, 2010 at 3:07 pm
I hate curtain calls.
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why/
I guess Jorge can still hit in spite of the contention of many of the ‘geniuses’ who claimed he sucked two days ago.
R- U- Kidding me, 2 slams back to back days for Posada?
nice swing by gardy…hope the thumb is ok
good sign there from Gardner, he’s had some good swing today.. Says the thumb may be ok.
Kay
He hit it RH yesterday. It’s a matter of falling behind a good hitter.
Cleveland fans boo Strasburg off the mound – solidifying their spot as some of the biggest scumbags in sports.
that was for the bee*ch the other day, who said Posada was “DONE”. And for the person this morning, who said Posada shouldn’t be in the HOF.
sup now ??????????????????????????????????
Not sure what the thinking was to turn Posada around and let him bat lefty.
Great at bats and now the Yankees again have supported Hughes with the average 7 runs scored per game he starts.
there ya go brett
Posada always has one of the highest SLG % on the team.
2 grand slams in 2 days.
LOLLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
To me, curtain calls rub salt into the wound for the other team. It’s obnoxious. Unless it’s against BOS, I’d rather we didn’t do curtain calls.
way to Hustle Huffman
great hustle Huffman!!
nice way to introduce yourself…
Jorge Posada is a Hall of Famer.
Beautiful swing from Jorge. This offense just goes into another gear when he’s in there and swinging well.
Similar to roaches when the lights go on – when the Yankees score big all the trolls scurry for the exit.
ok rain. Time to call the game
so Tex can’t get a hit to save his life and the likes of Gardner, Huffman and Pena having a great day
Jete has to hit a Slam here.
Wow, what is that 7 walks? LOL!
all this damage after 2 outs, too…loaded again for Jeter. Can he follow Posada?
“Similar to roaches when the lights go on – when the Yankees score big all the trolls scurry for the exit.”
lol, it is funny how that works…I mean what are they gonna say.
“so Tex can’t get a hit to save his life and the likes of Gardner, Huffman and Pena having a great day”
Seems to be the pattern with Tex – couple good games, then another 0-3.
Cold Camels in trouble again.
Hughes isn’t an ace…
Yankees bench sucks…
Posada is done…
Can’t sweep bad teams…
Oh wait.
Oh wait.
Oh wait.
Oh wait.
Dr. Kissinger digs the long ball.
# stuckey June 13th, 2010 at 3:15 pm
Hughes isn’t an ace…
Yankees bench sucks…
Posada is done…
Can’t sweep bad teams…
Oh wait.
Oh wait.
Oh wait.
Oh wait.
Boston would have scored 7 against them.
Stuckey
Too late. See Franks post at 3:13
“To me, curtain calls rub salt into the wound for the other team. It’s obnoxious. Unless it’s against BOS, I’d rather we didn’t do curtain calls”
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never had a problem with curtain calls. It is a long tradition.
Joba acting like every pitch is the last out of the world-series, is a different story
Very disappointed in Strasburg today… he had a Joba-like performance. No excuse for him walking anyone with his stuff.
I hope YES is sending Coldplay royalties for this song. It’s a clear ripoff of Clocks.
Why are people so afraid nowadays of hurting these athletes feelings?
These guys are grown men and professionals and you would think these guys are going to burst into tears with the way baseball and football players are chastised for celebrating.
It’s a game. It’s meant to be fun. If you can back it up on the field then go for it.
Watch the WC. These guys go crazy everytime they score. The fans love it and it is amazing to watch.
“so Tex can’t get a hit to save his life and the likes of Gardner, Huffman and Pena having a great day”
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he’s waiting for this year’s baseball card, to come out
“Joba acting like every pitch is the last out of the world-series, is a different story”
Yeah, I’m not a big fan of Joba’s fist pump. My only complaint is that he is the only one that gets slammed in the media for it when there are other pitchers who behave much worse.
Rolex June 13th, 2010 at 3:17 pm
Very disappointed in Strasburg today… he had a Joba-like performance. No excuse for him walking anyone with his stuff.
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Was watching that game on MASN – the mound condition was a joke, his foot kept slipping and the groundscrew had to come out at least twice. Cleveland fans were a bunch of dirtbags booing him off the mound when he was taken out.
Geez .Hamels is just about done in the Sox game. Victor Martinez just drew a 13-pitch walk off him. Runners on first and second no outs.
“so Tex can’t get a hit to save his life and the likes of Gardner, Huffman and Pena having a great day”
gardy’s been doing it allll year
lol. Yet the sorry Indians, only managed to score 1 run
My power just went out for about 1 second.
You know, if they want to call the game here, and make it a rain-shortened game, you know, so that Houston can get a head start on going to the airport, that’s OK with me.
The Astros are probably thinking “Well, at least we got to see the new stadium”. LOL!
Noesi through 8 innings, low pitch count under 90 probably, might go out for the 9th, if the rain does not halt it before then.
Come on Phil, finish this guy, the ump has cost him a good 20 pitches and a walk, plus a hit, but he is battling through it.
Ug, nice try Curtis.
Papelbon use to be really bad with his antics. But he has been humbled a bit after the Angels beat him down in the ALDS last year.
He might have stretched out too soon.
This Manzella kid is pesky.
Throw a curveball. And this game needs to be called soon.
K-rod and Jose Valverde are the worse. Dancing and pointing to god !
Throw a curve
Where is Pat M? We’re getting a six-fer thie weekend.
Can this guy just strike out !
Is the curveball tough to throw in the rain or something?
Wow, no help from his defense today.
Jeter.
manzella is a yankee killer
Dang ! I really wanted him to only give up 1 run.
Getting real tired of Jeter’s two step range at short
Mo’s class makes up fo any other Yankee transgression.
Why didn’t he throw that curve?
Wow !
Completely F’d up your outing
Wow, that turned on a dime.
Just terrible pitch selection
Tommy Manzella. Go figure. That’s baseball.
Well this game turned in a hurry…
Why didn’t Jorge and Hughes throw a breaking pitch. Curve would of been nice. Hughes needs to learn sometimes less is best.
Joe Girardi screwed up. It was obvious that Phil was gassed, he should have been pulled much earlier
OH MY G how can you give up a HR to Kevin cash? he totally sucks.
uh – one more out and a lot more rain, please…
what the fooshnickens?
This team has had a real hard time the past 2 weeks getting #8 and #9 hitters out.
Can’t let Manzanella and Kevin Cash beat you.
Bad job by Hughes in that inning and Houston is right back in the game.
rough inning for hughes, especially against the bottom of the stros order
phil is warn out
Why does Hughes suck after he gets 2 outs? It makes NO sense at all.
Curveball = 35% strikes and 0 swinging strikes
He had no curveball all day
Not as easy as you might think to catch a wet ball on a wet track.
He can’t live off the fastaball and cutter alone.
Yeah… that was a really bad showing by Hughes. He was refusing to go to the curveball and it hurt him.
Hopefully he’ll learn from it.
i’m sure a flood of morons will blame Posada for pitch selection
“Hughes isn’t an ace…
Yankees bench sucks…
Posada is done…”
Astros got no offense.
Astros got no offense.
Astros got no offense.
Well can’t be perfect all the time.
# Patrick June 13th, 2010 at 3:31 pm
Joe Girardi screwed up. It was obvious that Phil was gassed, he should have been pulled much earlier
He had Manzanella 0-2. Can’t keep throwing fastballs.
How many runs has Hughes given up with 2 outs this year? Seems like a lot more than with 0 or 1 out.
The ump squeezed him all day, Lee was struck out the pitch before his single, then Giraldi has to get him out after that long at bat.
Instead of 1 run allowed he gets burned by 5 because of those two things.
Noesi is out for the 9th.
Hughes has not been improving the weaker parts of his game since the start of the season, which is a little disappointing.
Hughes’ ERA jumped up .50 points in about 2 minutes.
Well, that might do it for his all star game start chances.
He’ll have Tommy Manzella and Kevin Cash to thank if he’s denied the unique opportunity.
Regardless of whether they win today or not that still leaves a bad taste in my mouth.
# Joba Farnsworth (keep Romine – DH/OF Montero June 13th, 2010 at 3:32 pm
i’m sure a flood of morons will blame Posada for pitch selection
Hughes has the final say. He wanted to throw those fastballs.
No feel for the CB in the conditions and he ended up hanging one to Cash.
More concentration level than anything else.
He seems to have trouble with 2 outs in innings.
All part of the growth cycle for young pitchers.
Frank
Turn the lights back on, they are back
is not hughes fault his team can’t play defense
“Well, that might do it for his all star game start chances.
He’ll have Tommy Manzella and Kevin Cash to thank if he’s denied the unique opportunity.”
what?
come on. tampa and boston are losing. good time to win..
LOL at the people now saying Hughes can’t put people away with 2 outs. The guy made a mistake big deal !
Getting real tired of Jeter’s two step range at short
Reply showed ball took a bad hop
Its not going to hurt his AS chances.
If they win the game, he’s 9-1.
One bad inning doesn’t doom someone’s AS chances.
Great job by Marte to stop the momentum.
Looks like Marte is back to playoff form. Thats a relief.
Its amazing how high the bar has been set for Hughes now…anything below domination is a let down. He’s probably going to be 9-1 after today.
Mixed bag for Hughes. Didn’t pitch terribly, but that inning did get away from him and all with two outs. Hughes (as well as the other starters) could use a little more learnin’ on how to limit the 2 outs damage.
Hopefully Jorge’s GS holds up for him.
GJ by Marte.
How is that going to do it for his All Star chances ?
It’s one game. And if he pitches better in his next couple of starts then it won’t matter.
In a 7-1 game Phil has to learn that he doesn’t have much to lose by throwing a 2 strike curveball. He gets stubborn and continues to throw the same pitch repeatedly. Major league hitters are not going to be fooled by 7 consecutive two strike fastballs on the outside corner at the exact same speed, and eventually they are going to take a good cut and put it in play.
If Phil hangs a curveball or buries one in the dirt there what in the world is the harm? He’s going to get a win out of this game anyway. I don’t understand the reluctance and its pitch sequences like that that have pushed his ERA over three when the 95 percent of the time he is completely in control.
This game has all the makings of one of those games Joba will blow.
He pitched solid enough today until the last 2 hitters he faced in the rain.
Somehow, I think he will be ok.
Clay Butholez — 2.52 ERA.
Phil Hughes — 3.11 ERA.
I never said it would hurt his all star chances.
I said it would hurt his all star game START chances, which were looking pretty good if he finished this game at 9-1 with a 2.60 ERA like he was about to.
The 2 out struggles is really perplexing though. First against the Red Sox, then the Mets, and now the Astros. And it’s not like he’s loading the bases with 0 outs, getting 2 outs, and then giving up the blow. The innings all start off easy for him and it just turns in the blink of an eye.
And how many 2 out runs have the Yankees scored today? 6
Its crazy how many runs the Yankees score behind Hughes, even with what looks like weaker lineups.
HOU must have like 5 lefties in their bullpen.
Clay Buckles couldn’t hold Hughes’ jock
“If Phil hangs a curveball or buries one in the dirt there what in the world is the harm? He’s going to get a win out of this game anyway. I don’t understand the reluctance and its pitch sequences like that that have pushed his ERA over three when the 95 percent of the time he is completely in control.”
hes 23 in his first full season starting…do you expect him to have the wisdom of a veteran pitcher at this point in his career? He had dominated the game with his fastball the whole game and didn’t want to make a mistake with a curveball in the rain.
i wish they would end this game…
Hughes still has a lot of work to do. Talking about him as the starter for the ASG or winning 20 games was extremely premature.
Giving up 5 runs to the worst offense in baseball with a 6 run lead is awful
a hit a hit, Tex got a hit!!!
i thought it was gone
, but it’s something
I thought that was gone.
Rainout and go back to the bottom of the 5th. Those 4ER disappear.
Rancor,
You got a point with those stats?
Interesting…
jthomson22 #MLB Fact: Robinson Cano is considered an MVP candidate. 13 HR and 47 RBI. David Wright is a disappointment. 12 HR, 47 RBI. #Mets #Yankees
3 minutes ago via UberTwitter
Remember when Phil used to dominate teams and not give them any chance?
I miss that Phil
I don’t really see how he has “a lot of work to do.”
He’s already one of the ten best pitchers in baseball right now.
time to put the game away and make this lead Joba-proof
man, when things are going well for you, they are going well
Meanwhile Florida has opened up a 5-1 lead on TB.
Phil Hughes peripherals are still better than Buchholz. Hughes has given up fewer baserunners and strikes out more batters.
Buchholz has been good, but has had some luck with BABIP.
Cano must like the movie “The Longest Yard”.
atta boy Swish
He was never going to start the ASG.
He hung a CB to Cash for the HR.
Sometimes, you don’t have a feel for a pitch in a start.
It even happens to veteran pitchers and not just young guys.
nice job by the offense coming right back and tacking on
NICE – at least they’ve gotten one back
You guys set the bar so high for him. It almost seems like every pitcher has to be perfect or he is a bust or a failure.
Maybe he was also off because of the long inning, and his defense didn’t really help him.
was almost hoping for a play at the plate so we could see Tex bowl over another catcher.
Swishalicious.
Phil didn’t have his best stuff, but still pitched well until that last inning in the rain at over 100 pitches…and the Yankees are still ahead, and looking to add on more.
“Hughes still has a lot of work to do. Talking about him as the starter for the ASG or winning 20 games was extremely premature.”
I will give you that Phil has some learning to do. But talking about him making the All Star team, or winning 20 is NOT premature.
Well, Cano has almost 100 points on Wright in batting average.
Joba-proof meaning another 10 runs are needed?
Good aggressive baserunning by Cano to turn the bag and get to third.
It’s been like a month since Hughes had a dominant outing.
Baltimore game, Mets game, today, Red Sox game, etc. Probably need to go back to the Detroit series.
Really need CC/AJ to get on a roll now that Hughes has come down to earth
Jeremy June 13th, 2010 at 3:43 pm
You guys set the bar so high for him. It almost seems like every pitcher has to be perfect or he is a bust or a failure.
Maybe he was also off because of the long inning, and his defense didn?t really help him.
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Not to mention, you know…the rain
Phil was at 110 and had a 10 pitch AB vs Manzella.
Girardi milked him.
Rancor June 13th, 2010 at 3:44 pm
Joba-proof meaning another 10 runs are needed?
pretty much!
# Rishi June 13th, 2010 at 3:41 pm
Interesting…
jthomson22 #MLB Fact: Robinson Cano is considered an MVP candidate. 13 HR and 47 RBI. David Wright is a disappointment. 12 HR, 47 RBI. #Mets #Yankees
3 minutes ago via UberTwitter
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Wright- 287 BA 74 strike outs
Cano- 371 BA 32 strike outs
See a difference?
get off joba’s back
“jthomson22 #MLB Fact: Robinson Cano is considered an MVP candidate. 13 HR and 47 RBI. David Wright is a disappointment. 12 HR, 47 RBI. #Mets #Yankees”
classic example of cherry picking stats…what about the fact that cano has 90 points on wrights average….
Dylan June 13th, 2010 at 3:45 pm
# Rishi June 13th, 2010 at 3:41 pm
Interesting…
jthomson22 #MLB Fact: Robinson Cano is considered an MVP candidate. 13 HR and 47 RBI. David Wright is a disappointment. 12 HR, 47 RBI. #Mets #Yankees
3 minutes ago via UberTwitter
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Wright- 287 BA 74 strike outs
Cano- 371 BA 32 strike outs
See a difference?
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Uh – just posting interesting facts…not saying I agree or disagree
Eiland would never have wanted Phil to stay in that long. He said if a pitcher throws 100 pitches in 5-6 innings, he’s struggling , if he throws 100 in 7 that;s better. What did Joe not see , Phil has been trying to get 1 out and gave up 4 runs? I hate it when the Yankees make nothing teams like this SEEM GOOD!!
FLA -5 TB-1
PHIL-4 bos-1
COL-4 TOR-0
that granny got jorge into the Hall
The reason why people go after Wright is because of his strikeout rate. The guy is a strikeout artist.
I wish they would just call the game and revert the score back to what it was after 5 innings (7-1). Why play another 3 1/2 innings in the rain?
“Girardi milked him”
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you can milk anything with nipples
Phillies up 4-1
Marlins up 5-1
So is this a pseudo must-win game?
mick June 13th, 2010 at 3:45 pm
get off joba’s back
Newsflash – Joba stinks! Million dollar arm, ten cent head.
“He was never going to start the ASG.”
If he had the best numbers of any starting pitcher in the AL, with his own manager managing the AL team and tasked with making that choice, why not?
I was just hoping for it because it would be the only thing that would compel me to spend the money to fly across America and go.
“Phil was at 110 and had a 10 pitch AB vs Manzella.”
His fault for getting into a 10 pitch AB with such a bad hitter. He is the 8th place hitter on the worst team in the National League. Hughes has to be able to put him away.
“that granny got jorge into the Hall”
Mick
I totally disagree. It was yesterdays granny that did it.
i milked a cat once
So the Mets are going to sweep the O’s.
I guess winter comes early in Baltimore.
“jthomson22 #MLB Fact: Robinson Cano is considered an MVP candidate. 13 HR and 47 RBI. David Wright is a disappointment. 12 HR, 47 RBI. #Mets #Yankees”
classic example of cherry picking stats…what about the fact that cano has 90 points on wrights average….
+++++++++++++++
Cano is light years ahead of Wright in OBP and BA
Tar
Compromise. Back to back grannies always get you into the Hall.
Buchholtz will start the All Star Game. His numbers back that up.
Still a lot of baseball to be played before the all star game. Hughes will probably get at least 4 more starts before it.
Did everyone hear that stat Kay gave about Yankee catchers in the 25 games between Jorge’s starts behind the plate?
.202 with 0 homers.
Not too great an outing for Phil. He did a fantastic job to get out of the 5th, but in the 6th – man, he is just having a hard time putting hitters away and that is coming back to bite him. He has not pitched all that well recently – the O’s game at YS is the only game where he pitched really well, maybe the Indian games. The Sox and Met games were poor and he struggled against the O’s and the Astros. He can’t get by on 2 pitches and he has to improve when there are 2 outs and/or 2 strikes.
He was never going to start the ASG and we don’t know what his stats will be by the time they choose pitchers. You could make arguments for a bunch of guys ahead of Phil because they have better stats.
“i milked a cat once”
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lol. Almost got me to say it
Manzella has been a pest the entire series.
“It’s been like a month since Hughes had a dominant outing.”
On the last homestand he had a 7 ip, 2 ER, 8 K start against the Indians and a 7 ip, 1 ER, 7 K start against the Orioles. I mean, yeah those teams are pretty terribly but still.
BG!
So now Hughes has not been dominant because being dominant means not giving up any runs. Some of you set the bar so high that even Roy Halladay can’t meet your expectations.
Hughes has been really good period !
nice gardy!
oh Gardner – great job!!
now take 2nd
Gardner is Crawford-like.
Betsy is hiding out on nyyfans discussing Hughes today. We chased her away.
If Gardner can keep this up all year, I will be a very happy woman.
the name is BRETT GARDNER, bee*tches
Mick
Agreed. Besides I bet Bench never did it.
Look who’s back! Hi Betsy!
The PFOF’s are eating their own?
Tar
Look it up for me.
As long as the Yankees win this game, that’s all that matters. I think people are more concerned about Hughes’ long-term development with his over-reliance on the fastball/cutter more than his 2010 stats, which are still pretty good.
.202 with 0 homers.
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The Cervelli Factor.
LOL She’s back!!!!!
Don’t cry over spilled Phil.
Betsy
And we don’t know if those other pitchers are going to have the same numbers over time as well. I still think Hughes makes the All Star team. I know you like to give more credit to other teams but Andy and Phil will make it because they have been really good.
almost forgot: Brett Gardner is doing that with a bad thumb
my favorite moment of the game was Robbie putting his arm around Nino, after his HR, and then Nino gets that all important 2 run base hit…that and Huffman’s game
Betsy – prove it, Phil June 13th, 2010 at 3:50 pm
Not too great an outing for Phil. He did a fantastic job to get out of the 5th, but in the 6th – man, he is just having a hard time putting hitters away and that is coming back to bite him.
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Another classic generalization and wrong.
c’mon Huffman – how about your first big league RBI
This is a tough crowd. Roy Halladay got roughed up by the Red Sox a couple of starts back. Does that make him a bad pitcher?
Noesi pitched the complete game for Trenton, gave up an unearned run in the 9th, but another excellent game for the kid.
10-2 was the final
Clay shouldn’t be starting the All Star Game.
# Phil June 13th, 2010 at 3:54 pm
LOL She’s back!!!!!
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She’s been a lurkin’.
Jeremy, I don’t even care about the all-star game. The league has adjusted to Phil, now he has to adjust back. RS is right about the overreliance on FB and cutter.
3 innings left. Up by 4, what are our chances of winning?
Phil couldn’t get Manzella out so he’s not making the ASG?
Or was it the Cash ab, I forget?
Betsy, you remind me of Buster Olney. Buster is a Yankees fan, but constantly attempts to seem unbiased and thus will never pick the Yankees or praise them publically in any sense. You love Phil Hughes, but in your attempt to seem unbiased will disparage him and find minute things to criticize him about. You probably were concerned that you’ve come across as too much of a homer for him and now are (almost psychotically so) trying to comepnsate for that…
The league has adjusted to Phil,
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I can’t believe this…
Allstar starting pitchers…
Price
Nieman
Lester
Buchholz
Pettitte
Hughes
Cecil
^^^ AL East domination
m June 13th, 2010 at 3:41 pm
Rainout and go back to the bottom of the 5th. Those 4ER disappear.
Rancor,
You got a point with those stats?
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No it wouldn’t. The inning would be treated just like the top of the 9th inning. Houston didn’t score enough to tie the game ot take the lead.
JM
That’s what I said. It almost like some posters have never seen a pitcher struggle before. Even the best in the game get lit up or struggle at times.
“The PFOF’s are eating their own?”
First of all, there is no apostrophe in the plural of PFOF — that’s a stylistic choice we’ve made.
Second, the first “F” in PFOF stands for ‘friends’, and part of being a true friend is telling the truth.
We still love Francisco and greatly appreciate his efforts as a backup catcher.
Mick
Embarased to say, I don’t know how.
“back to back grand slam in consecutive games by a hall of fame catcher” didn’t work.
lets focus here….the Yanks are almost in 1st place.
Tar
Ask one of the fancy saber guys to do it.
Hopefully only the National League has adjusted to Phil.
blake, looks like Joe G gave the “get into 1st place” sign today.
Phil didn’t have his good stuff today, that’s the way it goes with pitchers, they have good streaks and bad. Even without his good stuff, he went 5+ of 1 run ball before the bloop double and scratch single after a long AB, right where he was about ready to leave the cash. put him in position to hang a curve ball to Cash. I’m guessing Girardi left him in to give him experience in a situation like that, if it was a 1 or 2 run game he would have gone to the bullpen.
Assuming the Yankees hold the lead, he’s 9-1, that’s the only stat that matters to a pitcher. And I fail to understand the comparisons to Bucholz, who gives a crap which one is better or whether Phil starts the All Star Game or even makes the team, what difference does it make to his career? He’s 23, having a great year that has exceeded all expectations, and will get better, that is a guarantee.
Um, no GC – but thanks for the psychoanalysis. You think he’s a top ten pitcher in baseball off of 12 starts……12 starts. You think AJ is as good/nearly as good as CC. What?
You only see glowing things in what Phil did. If you think that 14/19 runs allowed have been with 2 outs is good, then bully for you. He’s pitched very well in a lot of ways, but the league HAS adjusted to him. He had a bad game today – you can’t even admit that?
The league has adjusted to Phil? He was a pitch away from another 6 inning, 1 ER outing. His periperhals haven’t changed a bit. If anything his command has improved.
The league isn’t catching up to him, he’s just showing that he’s a bit human. If he continued on the pace he was on he would be having- yes- the BEST SEASON a Yankees starting pitcher has had since Cone’s 1995 or 1996. He stil has a chance to best it.
Hopefully only the National League has adjusted to Phil.
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good one
nice play bg!
“blake, looks like Joe G gave the “get into 1st place” sign today.”
yes.
Gardy is the key to this team. very underrated, deserves AS consideration.
Betsy doesn’t come off as a Yankee fan or a fan of Phil Hughes if you read her posts. All the time she talks about how great Pelfrey, Clay, Lester, and so on are but she never gives alot of credit to the Yankees.
Well didn’t Lester give up 5 or 6 runs to the Indians so would that make him a bust according to some of the posters on this blog.
holy Brett Gardner
Hughes did alright considering he had to fight the weather, the Astros and the umpires. He’ll be just fine.
“Ask one of the fancy saber guys to do it.’
I am not a favorite of the Vulcans.
If he’s not going to throw the changeup then Phil needs to find his plus curveball again so he can go to something else when he can’t get a fastball by pesky hitters
FLA- 6 TB0-1
Good job Park!
betsy will argue just for the sake of argument. now you are taking the con side of phil, are you kidding?
The guy just can’t put anyone away, especially with 2 outs. That’s where his curve/change need to come into play. An off-speed pitch to get hitters off his FB/cutter.
When the likes of Kevin Cash and Mozzarella have no problem putting wood on his FB – that is when you know he has gotten predictable. They know exactly what is coming. We all talked about how unlucky he was in the Mets game, but that is proving to not be an aberration, but a trend (2 out RBIs against him).
the BEST SEASON a Yankees starting pitcher has had since Cone’s 1995 or 1996
Cone was on the DL most of 1996 and joined the Yankees after the deadline in 95. COME ON
More like a bad couple of hitters in the rain than a bad outing.
Pete once wrote, “Ignore Brett Gardner at your own risk.”
Brett is making the Yanks think twice about Carl Crawford. In fact, if he keeps playing like this, he may become Cliff Lee’s best friend.
I wonder if Pete Abe still refers to Gardner as GGBG (which is kinda annoying)
or has Pete come to terms, Gardner may be better than Ellsbury…
“Um, no GC ? but thanks for the psychoanalysis. You think he?s a top ten pitcher in baseball off of 12 starts??12 starts. You think AJ is as good/nearly as good as CC. What?
You only see glowing things in what Phil did. If you think that 14/19 runs allowed have been with 2 outs is good, then bully for you. He?s pitched very well in a lot of ways, but the league HAS adjusted to him. He had a bad game today ? you can?t even admit that?”
1) When have I ever said AJ is as good/nearly as good as CC? If you’re talking about this year, then yes Burnett has probably been better. But as overall pitchers its not even close.
2) I don’t only “see glowing things in what Phil did.” He made a couple of bad pitches in POURING RAIN with 105 pitches on his arm. Are you honestly going to make a big deal out of that?
3) He didn’t have a bad game today. He was a pitch away from a 6 IP, 1 ER outing. He was in control pretty much from start until finish and his fastball had as much life on it as it has had all year. Not bad at all.
4) Yeah, he’s allowed 19 ER all year. 19 ER all year. Somehow you can find someway to nitpick how thats bad, as if allowing runs with 2 outs means anything more than alowing runs with 0 outs. Newsflash- it doesn’t. A run is a run. Maybe a more frustrating run, but the same run.
I’m frankly no longer inclined to be courteous or kind on the Hughes/Betsy matter.
If anyone here chooses to engage her in this rather disturbing behavior, you’ll be dragging down this form for hours and perhaps days.
And this is the real me saying so.
Joe is sending the lose sign down to Tampa.
Whatever, Jeremy. Ok, you don’t think I’m a Yankee fan- that’s your opinion.
Luckily, we faced a team that sucked today and pitchers who suck.
We won’t be so fortunate when he faces Pelfrey next Saturday, or his next start after that in Dodgers Stadium.
Hughes has to be able to put guys away
correct me if I’m wrong, but the fact that he “fell apart” in the rain and the impact of the weather on his ability to pitch the way he needed to/is capable of is a consideration.
End of the day – everyone is entitled to their opinion…if 6 outs from a tie for the best record in baseball (I believe) it bad then I don’t mind supporting a bad team.
And Betsy you also said that Andy shouldn’t be starting in the All Star game.
** Forgive me on the all year comment. I saw the number, took it for what he had done all year and didn’t realize that it made no sense till I submitted it.
he struggled with the last 2 batters, that means everything before doesn’t matter, classic glass half empty.
How do 2 AB’s in the rain mean he has to make adjustments?
He was COASTING in the game until a 10 pitch AB to Manzanella.
Then you folks wanted him to throw CB’s to Cash. He did and ended up hanging one for the HR.
How ’bout tempering expectations for the kid and not expect to be Cy Young in every start?
If the score holds up, he’s 9-1 this year.
Who had Phil Hughes being 9-1 on June 13?
Anybody? Bueller?
“If anyone here chooses to engage her in this rather disturbing behavior, you’ll be dragging down this form for hours and perhaps days. ”
QFT. It is getting quite tiresome. That is what chases away the good posters. Too much work, no reward.
Ok I am rewinding Phil’s bad inning. First thing is Grandy and Huffman both took bad route’s to ball ( that just seemed to die in the rain). Grandy made nice effort, but his initial jump was sideways and out, not in. That should have ended the inning.
# stuckey June 13th, 2010 at 4:06 pm
I’m frankly no longer inclined to be courteous or kind on the Hughes/Betsy matter.
If anyone here chooses to engage her in this rather disturbing behavior, you’ll be dragging down this form for hours and perhaps days.
And this is the real me saying so.
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But is it the real Betsy?
Betsy, you are entitled to your opinion but it’s not even remotely close to the truth. He bounced 3 curveballs in the 1st inning today and needed to throw fastballs or he would have been gone early. As it was, he was one pitch away from 6 innings with 1 run-I thought Huffman got a bad jump on the bloop double and should have caught the ball and then Manzella had a great AB and bled a single through the infield.
Great pitchers don’t need 4 or 5 pitches to be successful, they need one plus pitch, good location, and the confidence to throw their best pitch to the right location when it counts. Phil does all of that and more. He’s your favorite pitcher, he’s 9-1, just relax and enjoy. He’s 23 and will get better, this season is on the job training for him.
GC, guess what? Those runs count………..it doesn’t matter if he was a pitch away or not. His last pitch landed in the left field seats. Why are you so aggravated because I think he had a bad game? Is it something personal with you?
Paul O’niell seems like he is a really nice guy, compared to what he seemed like when he played. When he was still playing he looked like he just wanted to kill you, now he is just a goofball who likes to bust on Bighead.
Also, this concept that Hughes can’t “put batters away” is laughable. Look at his strikeout rate and tell me he can’t put batters away. If Phil can’t put batters away given his K rate then you must think that no one in this rotation can do it either.
I’m sorry Betsy but facts are facts. You tend to give more credit to other teams and player than the Yankees. I’m not the ony one who believes that. Many on here have said that.
I would also ask if all these Phil Hughes scouts were watching the game or saw the box score before forming opinions
Away for a long weekend and Betsy comes back more negative than ever.
That’s why I’m thinking imposter.
let’s trade Hughes for Pelfrey or Buchholz… maybe then someone will be happy
The reason Phil’s curve is inconsistent is because he barely uses it anymore… it used to be a beautiful pitch that froze people, now he only throws fastballs and a (mediocre) cutter…
He needs to use his curve early in games to get a feel for it. He threw a hanging one to Cash because he barely uses it….
SO……….
do they still do the WWE belt after games (only seen it a few times this season)…who do you think deserves it?
Seth June 13th, 2010 at 4:04 pm
The guy just can’t put anyone away, especially with 2 outs. That’s where his curve/change need to come into play. An off-speed pitch to get hitters off his FB/cutter.
When the likes of Kevin Cash and Mozzarella have no problem putting wood on his FB – that is when you know he has gotten predictable. They know exactly what is coming. We all talked about how unlucky he was in the Mets game, but that is proving to not be an aberration, but a trend (2 out RBIs against him).
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I guess the called third strike in the 4th inning with 2 outs and 2 men on didn’t happen, huh?
I’ll wager that anyone who demands perfection from Phil Hughes (and the Yankees, for that matter) are somewhat less than perfect in their own lives.
Very quietly, the bullpen has really picked it up lately.
Marte, Robertson and Park have all pitched really well lately.
Now it’s Joba’s turn to keep it going.
Kevin Cash and Mozzarella
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LOL
I think I might give it to Jorge
Oh good, SJ – when I say something, you pooh pooh it and then you’ll come back and say the same thing.
LOL You were the one who wanted Phil to be removed from the recent Orioles game because he was in the process of giving back a lead to a bad team. YOU said that or don’t YOU remember? YOU can say stuff like that……….and get away with it.
If you think he’s fine being a 2 pitch pitcher and doesn’t have to make any adjustments to the league adjusting to him, then that’s fine and dandy. If you don’t think he has to figure out a way (eventually) to do better with 2 strikes or 2 outs……then that’s fine and dandy. If he doesn’t, he’ll be a good pitcher, but he won’t be an ace. Now if you’re not interested in whether he turns into a front line starter, then ok.
“The guy just can’t put anyone away, especially with 2 outs. That’s where his curve/change need to come into play. An off-speed pitch to get hitters off his FB/cutter.
When the likes of Kevin Cash and Mozzarella have no problem putting wood on his FB – that is when you know he has gotten predictable.”
Where are you getting this crap?
http://riveraveblues.com/2010/.....lem-30054/
Hughes gets swinging strikes on 9% of his pitches, which puts him above Verlander/Price, equal to Jimenez, and 1% below Lester/Halladay.
This is just laughable. Phil Hughes is 9-1 with a 3.11 ERA and people are finding ways to criticize him.
I mean is this a joke?
What is wrong with comparing Hughes to Pelfrey and Clay?
Fact – after this start, he is 3rd in the race between them, if you base it on ERA.
However.. Clay/Pelf started out shaky and have been trending upwards in the last 6 weeks or so. Hughes started out on fire but has been anything but consistent going back to the Detroit start a month ago… he is going backwards while the other 2 have pitched their best baseball in the past month…
And I bet Joel Sherman and co. will echo these sentiments tomorrow.
Vomit – so now the discussion goes from Hughes to Joba…should be a fun top of the 8th inning here.
“I mean is this a joke?”
No, it’s in fact a very textbook psychological response.
“If anyone here chooses to engage her in this rather disturbing behavior, you’ll be dragging down this form for hours and perhaps days.”
Let’s not go overboard.
I think some of you are trying too hard to find fault with Hughes.
So far, he’s exceeded even the most optimistic fan of his with the season he’s enjoyed so far.
Enjoy it more and complain less.
Actually Hughes cutter is a pretty good pitch.
G-C June 13th, 2010 at 4:14 pm
This is just laughable. Phil Hughes is 9-1 with a 3.11 ERA and people are finding ways to criticize him.
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People? Just one im( person)ater
“Phil Hughes is 9-1 with a 3.11 ERA and people are finding ways to criticize him”
What are his numbers since the Tigers game?
He has been going backwards. His ERA is over 3 now it was like 2.30 a month ago.
Oh lord,
72 hours of dealing with mommy Hughes on the edge of a cliff after a bad outing
Pelfrey can’t sniff Phil’s jockstrap. He would be a backend starter in the AL. He misses no bats- classic NL innings eater type.
Clay can, but he still hasn’t been nearly as good as Phil this year. ERA isn’t a good indicator of performance.
# Nick in SF June 13th, 2010 at 4:15 pm
“If anyone here chooses to engage her in this rather disturbing behavior, you’ll be dragging down this form for hours and perhaps days.”
Let’s not go overboard.
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Did you study under Henny Youngman?
Germans…uhlg!
“What are his numbers since the Tigers game?
He has been going backwards. His ERA is over 3 now it was like 2.30 a month ago.”
Its called regression to the mean. You seriously expected him to pitch like Pedro Martinez for an entire season? Really?
I really don’t think I can post here anymore given the amount of idiocy that is so prevalent- its really amazing.
God.. this game thread was going so nicely too. Then the usual suspect comes back and all hell breaks loose.
The guy has 9 wins and a 3.11 ERA!
But oh, I guess because some guy in the NL has a 2.3 ERA or Clay has been getting very lucky with BABIP, that means Hughes sucks.
Great job by Joba pitching to the score and throwing strikes. His ERA is on the mend.
Bring him out for the 9th.
MG, I’m perfectly relaxed. I find it hilarious that people want to say Phil, after all of 12 starts, without yet getting through a whole season, is an ace. I said in ST that he was a work in progress and I don’t disagree. Some of the things he needs to work on are his inability to put hitters away without throwing a ton of pitches (of course he was gassed, throwing as many pitches as he did) and doing a better job with 2 outs. I don’t get why folks don’t think he has to work on a thing, but hey – so be it. I wouldn’t mind having a further discussion with you about this off blog; once I register, would I be able to PM you on your message board?
4.96 ERA in his last 6 starts.
Maybe Betty’s concerns are not so unfounded anymore?
good job by the pen.
Betsy,
Relax. I don’t care about your excessive agita over Phil Hughes.
He pitched a good game today until the last 2 guys he faced in the rain.
He’s 3 outs away from being 9-1. What more do you want?
He’s going to the AS Game this year. He’s one of the best pitchers in the league at 23 years old and he’s still learning.
Enough already!
So I guess the start against the O’s and the Indians do not count. Also the great Mike Pelfrey gave up 4 runs to the O’s and Clay gave up 3 to the Indians.
The only ones who love comparing Pelfrey/ Clay and Hughes are Yankee haters who always want to shine a negative light on a Yankee player.
Jeremy, hey if you want to think I’m not a Yankee fan, go right ahead. It’s your opinion, it’s not a fact. Think what you will…………
so…Tampa’s threatening…that’s something else to talk about.
Joba got out of the inning with just 1 hit…good stuff
I tell you that can’t be the real Betsy?
Some imposter has been waiting all weekend to pop in here and do her.
Even Betsy isn’t that negative.
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Betsy:
Yes I am!
“What is wrong with comparing Hughes to Pelfrey and Clay?
Fact – after this start, he is 3rd in the race between them, if you base it on ERA.”
And only an idiot would do that, so what’s your point?
Hughes tromps them on WHIP, K/9, and K/BB, which are far more relevant than ERA.
“I’ll wager that anyone who demands perfection from Phil Hughes (and the Yankees, for that matter) are somewhat less than perfect in their own lives.”
joe from long island-
i don’t know about that .
it seems like there has been some perfect buttholes here from time to time
This is great!
The fake SJ and fake Betsy are going at it.
Who says this blog is failing?
Please ignore her!
Don’t let a perfectly good day get ruined. We are about to be in 1st place.
Point the negativity in the direction of the door!
Betsy, we have PM capabilities on my board…
…and welcome back Randy to the fray!
randy l and betsy show up at the same time
hmm…
now where is trisha
this place is about go go crazy!!
If Jorge hit a GS, why wasn’t that the drive of the game?
Hi all. Just got back. Made a significant dent in the bank account, even though I struck out at my apparel store and the Apple Store (they were sold out of iPads!!!) and Target and Best Buy. But my daughters are set for summer clothes.
I can’t wait to see the beginning of this game on replay!
“4.96 ERA in his last 6 starts.
Maybe Betty?s concerns are not so unfounded anymore?”
Again, regression to the mean. Logical people (after his 5-0, 1.38 start) said on here that they realistically expected him to pitch to a 4.50 ERA for the rest of the year. If he did that he would still finish with a 3.75 ERA.
If thats where he ends up, then this year has been a smashing, smashing success.
LOL I’m a Yankee hater……….I’ve posted here for years because I don’t have anything better to do. I’m a closet Met and Sox fan, oh yeah. You rip apart Joba worse than I ever do – are you sure you’re a Yankee fan? Look in the mirror.
mick, your radar is busted.
Betsy,
Why are you attacking people, just skip over their posts. Right? Follow your own advice.
But it’s really all about Betsy, all the time – me, me, me.
As usual, you show up with your off the wall, unsubstantiated claims and whining and the blog immediately deteriorates. People respond to your babble with coherent and logical posts, and yet you still don’t get it.
So glad you stopped by to stir the pot as usual, now go back to your other blog, or have you alienated them so much today they asked for a break.
Don’t respond, just skip over this post. Right? Agree to disagree. Right!
Pro,
What’s wrong with comparing 26 year old Pelfrey and 25 year old Buchholz to 23 year old Hughes?
Are you serious?
Everyone should take stuckey’s advice and just stop responding
It has become tiresome and redundant. And if Buchholz pitches well on Tuesday, the same boring, irreverent conversations are re-hashed and will drive the people wanting to talk real baseball away.
And god forbid Hughes has the nerve to have another mediocre game AGAINST PELFREY!! ZZOMG!! next weekend, might as well not read this blog for a few days. The whining will be out of this world.
Butholez never gives up any runs, he’s the best.
In about 45 minutes, the New York Yankees will enough the best record in baseball, likely with the best run differential in baseball, in the best division in baseball, despite having played 5 more games on the road than at home.
They’re have overcome a DL stint by their starting catcher, a lengthy one from their starting CF, a season-long slump from their 3rd hole hitter, a mostly ineffective bullpen, a nightmare beginning from their 4th starter, and probably the major’s greatest collection of non-DL day-to-day injuries the game has seen in years, resulting in the Yankees playing most of the year with 23-24 man rosters.
If you can find ANYthing negative to focus your mental energies on, you are not a healthy person.
randy – ahh, they probably have zits there, too.
MG, ok – thanks!
Betsy
I never said you are not a Yankee fan. I just said that if someone who didn’t know you were to have read some of your post they wouldn’t think you were a Yankee fan. You are negative sometimes when it comes to the Yankees and Yankee players.
As usual, you show up with your off the wall, unsubstantiated claims and whining and the blog immediately deteriorates. People respond to your babble with coherent and logical posts, and yet you still don’t get it.
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Actually, in a sick sort of way, Betsy brings life to the blog.
Germans…uhlg!
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I’ll assume you’re talking about the World Cup but honestly, ” is there a better word to follow the word “Germans” than “uhlg!” ?
Probably not.
So the Red Sox threatening in the bottom of the 9th
Betsy, with her negativity, brings out the positivity in us.
Welcome to Bizzarro World!
Hughes is simply REGRESSING TO HIS MEAN.
Did people think he was going to win 30 games and pitch to a low 2 ERA all year?
He is simply sliding back to his expected numbers that the sabremetricans predicted for him. Nothing wrong with that at all.
Some people simply have unbelievable expectations.
Wang is not an Ace!
Mick,
LOL there’s been alot more traffic since she showed up. Everyone loves Betsy!!!
stuckey – well said
mick,
I hope it is only temporary. The blog was so peaceful yesterday with positivity and soccer commentary
If Trisha rears her head then I know these are ALL imposters, except me.
Can we talk about something besides Phil Hughes? How about the fact that if the scores hold the Yankees will be in first place at the end of the day, after all the injuries, supposedly spotty offense, bad bullpen, etc. etc. etc.
What did I walk in on here?
so Austin Jackson left the game with back spasms….
The Germans:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VRTngtsOY8Q
I’m on the Betsy bandwagon!
She’s the gift that keeps on giving.
The difference is that I don’t trash the Yankees. I have issues with Joba and their real.
“Hughes is simply REGRESSING TO HIS MEAN.”
Actually, put like this it all makes perfect sense. For all her pessimism, Betsy’s unwavering support of Hughes was somewhat out of character.
Betsy is simply REGRESSING TO HER MEAN.
1st place tie & pick up game on Sox….. cant get much better than that if everything ends well
so Austin Jackson left the game with back spasms….
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Great great news!!!!!!!
Lidge doing his best to blow it in Boston – 2 out RBI hit in the 9th and it’s 5-3
# Doreen – GTLU Stuff & Photos June 13th, 2010 at 4:31 pm
What did I walk in on here?
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See what happens when the babysitter leaves?
Red Sucks about to walkoff against Lidge.
If Jorge hits another granny here he’s in the Hall.
can brad lidge get one more out without giving up a home run to Marco Scutero
Phils win
“Hughes is simply REGRESSING TO HIS MEAN.
Did people think he was going to win 30 games and pitch to a low 2 ERA all year?
He is simply sliding back to his expected numbers that the sabremetricans predicted for him. Nothing wrong with that at all.
Some people simply have unbelievable expectations.”
Terrific, terrific post.
Scutaro pops out and Lidge escapes. Phils finally showed up in Boston.
I wonder how many of the people (children?) posting here and whining about Hughes not finishing the inning or various batters not knocking in runners from scoring positions have ever tried throwing or hitting a 90+ mile an hour fastball? It isn’t easy – there’s a reason runs get scored/batters fail – so relax and enjoy the game. Reading these posts you would think the Yankees are getting clobbered and are in danger of falling way behind in the standings . . .
Also, Jeremy doesn’t genuflect about rival set-up men like Bard and Meija the way she does about Clay and Pelfrey. He just doesn’t like Joba. Nothing wrong with that— Joba has warranted people to be down on him. Hughes has not.
Clay and Pelfrey can do no wrong, Hughes is the only one who has all these issues. Tiresome.
Nick you ever go to La Cumbre in the Mission? it is on man v food now – the place looks sick!
SOX LOSE!!!!!!!!!!!
Whow the heck is Daniel Nava on the Red Sox…playing LF
Long form Germans in Spanish:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v.....&NR=1
so the yankees are feasting on the astros. I hope they can keep this momentum against philadephia next week…big test with doc on tuesday.
Red Sucks lose.
Tampa Bay likely to lose.
Yanks about to win.
A great day in the human race.
Uncle, I have been to La Cumbre a few times, but I think their burrito is puffed up with too much rice. My favorite taqueria doesn’t put any rice in their burritos and I prefer it that way.
Gardner is the man!!!!!!
“Hughes is simply REGRESSING TO HIS MEAN.
Did people think he was going to win 30 games and pitch to a low 2 ERA all year?
He is simply sliding back to his expected numbers that the sabremetricans predicted for him. Nothing wrong with that at all.
Some people simply have unbelievable expectations.”
Excellent post and sums it up perfectly. And if I recall, She is the one who trashed these sabremetricans and questioned their methods for predicting that Hughes will regress and said baseball should be “evaluated with the eyes” or some nonsense like that.
Turns out the sabremetrics were right. and Hughes is still one of the top AL pitchers and has 9 wins in early June. Worrying over nothing.
nice – another chance for Huffman…I want to see him do something good here
Stuckey,
good post on the “state of the Yankees”
Gardner continues to impress yet people around here will still pine for Crawford – give a multi year big contract to an ageing player who’s best skill will be the first one to go. GO GO LOGIC!
Stuckey,
good post on the “state of the Yankees
How about talking about something that is actually important?
Like Huffman’s great day. Gardner’s day. the Bullpen.
where’s that Luis Castillo when you need him
The GREAT thing about the game of baseball is its juxtaposition of simplicity and complexity.
If anyone who watched this game ONLY can see 5 runs in 5.2, and entirely missed HOW the game progressed and the story within the game, I have a hard time understanding what you appreciate about the game.
You know the only saying “looked like a line-drive in the boxscore”. Well, this looked at poor start in the boxscore, unless you actually saw the game, and more importantly, UNDERSTOOD it.
Why has blog activity increased since Betsy emerged?
Think about it, hmmm….
Nick in SF June 13th, 2010 at 4:37 pm
Uncle, I have been to La Cumbre a few times, but I think their burrito is puffed up with too much rice. My favorite taqueria doesn?t put any rice in their burritos and I prefer it that way.
I completely agree about the rice. hate rice in Burritos
Oddly enough they did not mention rice as an ingredient in the Burrito they made for Richman
DR June 13th, 2010 at 4:34 pm
Also, Jeremy doesn?t genuflect about rival set-up men like Bard and Meija the way she does about Clay and Pelfrey. He just doesn?t like Joba. Nothing wrong with that? Joba has warranted people to be down on him. Hughes has not.
Clay and Pelfrey can do no wrong, Hughes is the only one who has all these issues. Tiresome.
Right ! Good post !
stuckey,
Exactly. And his poor finish to the outing didn’t even lessen our chances of winning the game. A whole lot of complaining over nothing.
Somebody better get Mo up in the pen. Mo’s in the game.
I am not sure why people are commending these silly posts about Hughes “regressing to the mean.”
There is no mean for Phil Hughes. No one on here has any idea where Phil’s numbers “should” be. If sabermetricians were predicting his numbers then they are giving themselves way too much credit.
Not to mention, what do you mean by regression? What just happened in the 6th inning was not some sort of regression analysis.
Are we really in 1st place? Doesn’t Tampa lead the season series so far? We’d be tied for first is the idea right?
why is Mo in the game?
# mick June 13th, 2010 at 4:42 pm
why is Mo in the game?
day off tomorrow
It’s easy to spot moron’s post.
mick June 13th, 2010 at 4:42 pm
why is Mo in the game?
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has’t pitched in a while right…and there is an off day tomorrow
Halladay-Sabathia awaits us on Tuesday
And Brad Lidge
O’Neill says guys are throwing stuff, looking around…he is funny
If you go back and look at Phil’s inning it wasn’t even poor. The results were not good, but in actuality he did not pitch bad at all. That’s Baseball.
Joe should have put Gaudin in here, let him give up a bomb, then go to Mo for the save.
Saves ain’t growing on trees.
# Jim June 13th, 2010 at 4:42 pm
Are we really in 1st place? Doesn’t Tampa lead the season series so far? We’d be tied for first is the idea right?
Wins and losses. Season series doesn’t matter right now when you only played 5 games.
O’Neill is the Barkley of baseball.
He just says whatever comes to mind.
Should have never even played this game after the bottom of the 5th. Should have just called it.
# Jim June 13th, 2010 at 4:42 pm
Are we really in 1st place? Doesn’t Tampa lead the season series so far? We’d be tied for first is the idea right?
Wins and losses. Season series doesn’t matter right now when you only played 5 games.
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Only if the rest of the season is rained out.
Take Chad Gaudin — please!
# Bronx Jeers June 13th, 2010 at 4:44 pm
Joe should have put Gaudin in here, let him give up a bomb, then go to Mo for the save.
Saves ain’t growing on trees.
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Good strategy, Bx.
Except O’Neil’s voice is bearable.
try the veal
ballgame!
sweep!
This game and board has turned into a comedy.
Happy 40th win all!
nice…very nice
why is Mo out here in the rain in a non save sitch.
New Post
and a new post
Take Chad Gaudin — please!
====================ROFLMAO, is that right?
stuckey -
LOve your 4:26 post! Thanks!
Hughes 9-1
Yea Phil is 9- 1 beantown and Tampa lost!!
Anybody know where Kim Jones was today?