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Huffman making debut

Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Misc on Jun 13, 2010 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

Derek Jeter SS
Curtis Granderson CF
Mark Teixeira 1B
Robinson Cano 2B
Nick Swisher DH
Jorge Posada C
Brett Gardner LF
Chad Huffman RF
Ramiro Pena 3B

RHP Phil Hughes

Marcus Thames is not listed on the bench. He seems headed for the disabled list.

 
 

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89 Responses to “Huffman making debut”

  1. Mark in Tampa June 13th, 2010 at 9:41 am

    You could have had GTLU for a month and nobody would have gotten that one! :)

  2. Doreen - GTLU Stuff & Photos June 13th, 2010 at 9:43 am

    upstate kate -

    Since you were the only participant, and you did not win, I’ve cancelled today’s GTLU.

    For the rest of the summer, there will be no GTLU on the weekends. If it’s a rainy weekend, and the Yankees are in a sunny road city, I’ll reconsider on a “that day” basis. :)

  3. me June 13th, 2010 at 9:44 am

    Does Cold Camels have a chance against the Sox today?

  4. Arno June 13th, 2010 at 9:44 am

    Good, now I don’t have to watch his frustrating defensive plays…

  5. blake June 13th, 2010 at 9:45 am

    (repost)
    162 game averages:

    Fisk: (runs 83), (doubles 27), (HR 24), (RBI 86), (avg .269), (OBP .341), (OPS .797).
    Carter: (runs 72), (doubles26), (HR 23), (RBI 86), (avg .262), (OBP .335), (OPS ..773)
    Posada: (runs 83), (doubles 35), (HR 25), (RBI 98), (avg .278), (.379), (OPS. .860)

    The one that really jumps out is the OPS. Now he does fall short in total cumulative numbers because of the late start and the fact that his career isn’t over yet, but when he’s played he has been very productive and has won a lot of titles. He should inch closer in the total numbers over this and next season.

  6. Doreen - GTLU Stuff & Photos June 13th, 2010 at 9:47 am

    RePost: GTLU ANNOUNCEMENT

    Next week, June 24th, I will be leaving for an all-girl (me, my daughters, my sister and my sister’s daughter) road trip to Florida. I am bringing my laptop, but due to the nature of the trip (and the fact that I’m doing all the driving) I doubt I’ll be able to run GTLU on the 4 travel days – June 24, 25, 30 and July 1. I am giving advance notice that there will be no GTLU on those days. The balance of the time I’ll be at my mom’s so I can find a way to run the game.

    I am also giving advance notice that I will be on vacation from August 1st from August 11th. We’re going to Calfornia, from LA to San Francisco, so I know for sure I won’t be able to run GTLU for that entire stretch of time. If you would like to volunteer to run the game for those 11 days, or part there of, please let me know. Thanks in advance!

  7. "Who Will Get Injured Today?" June 13th, 2010 at 9:49 am

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    Nick Swisher

  8. blake June 13th, 2010 at 9:53 am

    Phillies might actually have a chance today with Wakefield on the hill today, although can’t you just picture Howard swatting at the those knuckleballs..

  9. MG June 13th, 2010 at 9:53 am

    how long will it take for the children to start complaining about today’s lineup? I believe the Over/Under is less than 10 minutes and that’s because it’s Sunday morning.

  10. RossGB June 13th, 2010 at 9:56 am

    Have a splendid trip, Doreen!

    Huffman’s arrival made GTLU almost impossible, today, anyway.

  11. GreenBeret7 June 13th, 2010 at 10:01 am

    Doreen, there’s nothing scarier than the thought of four women turned loose on the I95 corridor with a car, a tank of gas, credit cards and shopping malls for 1100 miles. I’m staying off of the roads.

  12. LathamJoe June 13th, 2010 at 10:03 am

    Is Huffman replacing Thames or Moeller? Now that Posada is cleared for catching duty, Chad may be expendable once again. With Nick Johnson’s future as Yankee DH virtually
    ended, Cashman needs to look for a viable DH. Posada would be perfect for that role but is too stubborn to realize his defensive liabilities.

  13. Erica in NY June 13th, 2010 at 10:05 am

    Doreen-

    I can probably do GTLU in that August stretch. We’ll talk more as it gets closer. But definitely no GTLU on weekends :-)

  14. Erica in NY June 13th, 2010 at 10:06 am

    Btw- Joe Girardi could have told me today’s line up in advance and I probably still would not have guessed it

  15. Erica in NY June 13th, 2010 at 10:08 am

    Huffman marks the 35th different player to be named to the Yankees 25-man roster this season

  16. GreenBeret7 June 13th, 2010 at 10:11 am

    I’ve noticed a lot of remarks made about Rodriguez’ “loss of power” as a sign of past steroid use from here and many of the various media outlets. I haven’t seen much written about the loss of power from Fielder, Braun, Utley, Howard, Dunn and Pujols. Nary a word written about their loss of power. Pujols seems to have his numbers, but, those numbers came from a 10 game stretch of 6 homers and 15 RBI. Remove those and he’s been pretty average.

  17. GreenBeret7 June 13th, 2010 at 10:12 am

    Huffman is replacing Thames. He’s already on the 40 man roster, so, no adjustments need to be made.

  18. blake June 13th, 2010 at 10:13 am

    There is a power outage throughout baseball this season for whatever reason…as long as Alex is hitting the ball hard with regularity and driving in runs (which he has been) I don’t care how many homeruns he hits.

  19. Billy D June 13th, 2010 at 10:14 am

    “The one that really jumps out is the OPS”

    You have to consider some context here, Blake. OPS+ is probably a better measure, and while Posada (125) is still ahead of Fisk (118) and Carter (115), it’s not as dramatic as the actual OPS suggests.

  20. Jerkface June 13th, 2010 at 10:14 am

    The fact that A-rod has 3 centerfield bombs and 2 opposite field homers suggests his power is fine, something else is missing. Which I believe is his timing.

    He has taken some nasty cuts at balls and just missed.

  21. blake June 13th, 2010 at 10:16 am

    BillyD,

    yea maybe…still better though. All I was trying to say was that the numbers are comparable and that when you add him being a vital cog to 5+ championship teams to the equation then I think its a pretty good resume.

  22. Erica in NY June 13th, 2010 at 10:18 am

    GreenBeret7 June 13th, 2010 at 10:12 am
    Huffman is replacing Thames. He’s already on the 40 man roster, so, no adjustments need to be made.

    **********

    Who asked about the 40 man?

    I just said that Huffman was the 35th guy to be on the 25 man this season

  23. CRAWDADDY (Boycott ESPN-NY) June 13th, 2010 at 10:18 am

    As someone mentioned already there is a decline in power throughout baseball. I think there is more than one reason for that decline.

  24. Erica in NY June 13th, 2010 at 10:18 am

    Happy Birthday Jerkface :-)

  25. Billy D June 13th, 2010 at 10:18 am

    We agree there, Blake.

  26. John_Halfz June 13th, 2010 at 10:19 am

    The OPS comparison is not highly relevant. Fisk and Carter played in an era of depressed offense relative to the late 1990s and 2000s. Both Fisk and Carter have higher OPS+, indicating that they were relatively better than the average hitter of their era than Posada is.

  27. Joe from Long Island June 13th, 2010 at 10:19 am

    I think this is a year where’s there’s a generalized loss of power throughout baseball. Some of it may be related to tighter control of PEDs, steroids and amphetamines. Some of it may be random chance. I think Alex’s situation is due more to just not having his swing consistently together. Jerkface’s observation, above, is spot on.

    And by the way – Jerkface – Can’t you get a new screen name? “Jerkface” sounds so…jerky. Doesn’t do justice to what you post.

  28. blake June 13th, 2010 at 10:20 am

    “As someone mentioned already there is a decline in power throughout baseball. I think there is more than one reason for that decline.”

    I do as well…better pitching, retirement of power hitters, decreased PED’s, change in style of play, ban of amphetamines, coincidence all factor in.

  29. blake June 13th, 2010 at 10:21 am

    “Both Fisk and Carter have higher OPS+”

    I think BillyD just posted that..Posada (125), Fisk (118), Carter (115).

  30. Billy D June 13th, 2010 at 10:23 am

    “Both Fisk and Carter have higher OPS+, indicating that they were relatively better than the average hitter of their era than Posada is”

    Posada has the higher OPS among the three.

  31. CRAWDADDY (Boycott ESPN-NY) June 13th, 2010 at 10:24 am

    I think the ban of amphetamines has more affect on the position players than the ban on PEDs such as steroids.

  32. 86w183 June 13th, 2010 at 10:25 am

    I would submit that the absence of amphetamines tops the list. It’s also why more and more hitters in the mid-thirties and older are becoming less and less attractive to teams and end up not getting signed for much if anything.

    Those little pick-me ups did more to enhance performance on a day-to-day basis than anabolic steroids ever did. Madden has an excellent comment on that view not too long ago.

    There’s a lot of ignorance about PED use and benefits, which is why steroid users are treated like Hester Prynne and pill poppers have been virtually ignored.

  33. blake June 13th, 2010 at 10:25 am

    actually Fisk was 117 according to baseball reference.

  34. Erica in NY June 13th, 2010 at 10:26 am

    Off to the beach (one of these weekend days have to turn out nice, right?)

    Hopefully the weather cooperates and I won’t be back until much later tonight

    Happy Yankee viewing!

  35. GreenBeret7 June 13th, 2010 at 10:26 am

    I really figured that Rodriguez would DH today, rather than go with a light bottom 1/3rd of the batting order. Rodriguez has very good numbers against the soft tossing Moehler.

  36. Jerkface June 13th, 2010 at 10:27 am

    Have fun at the beach :x

    I am going to the last Star Wars days at MGM but it means I miss Hughes pitching one of the biggest mismatches

    6.71 0-2 vs 2.71 8-1

  37. 86w183 June 13th, 2010 at 10:27 am

    Doreen — As the father of two daughters who love their “girl’s trips” with their Mom let me wish you a great journey and welcome to the Sunshine State. Where are you guys heading?

    Pay no attention to GB 7…. he’s probably still ticked off about the 19th Amendment

  38. blake June 13th, 2010 at 10:28 am

    “Those little pick-me ups did more to enhance performance on a day-to-day basis than anabolic steroids ever did. Madden has an excellent comment on that view not too long ago.”

    I don’t think there is any way to quantify it but its certainly a factor and one that I hope the writers take into consideration when judging today’s players vs history. Amphetamines have been around for years…..long before PED’s were.

  39. John_Halfz June 13th, 2010 at 10:28 am

    Fisk and Carter both played for longer than they should have. For the first 5500 AB of Carter’s career, his OPS+ was higher. He was also a much better defensive player than Posada.

  40. Jerkface June 13th, 2010 at 10:28 am

    I really figured that Rodriguez would DH today, rather than go with a light bottom 1/3rd of the batting order. Rodriguez has very good numbers against the soft tossing Moehler.

    Do you think with the Tendonitis that Girardi decided to give him the weekend? Maybe this will end up like the NL run where Matsui sat and the Florida series A-rod sat last year.

  41. CRAWDADDY (Boycott ESPN-NY) June 13th, 2010 at 10:29 am

    “I really figured that Rodriguez would DH today, rather than go with a light bottom 1/3rd of the batting order. Rodriguez has very good numbers against the soft tossing Moehler.”

    Not me, with an off day tomorrow I didn’t think we’ll see Arod this weekend. If they can’t beat Moehler without Arod then shame on the rest of the team.

  42. CRAWDADDY (Boycott ESPN-NY) June 13th, 2010 at 10:31 am

    The decision to sit Arod this weekend was most likely an organizational decision with medical and training staffs input.

  43. pat June 13th, 2010 at 10:31 am

    GB

    It seems that the loss of power in general is being attributed by many to a crackdown on PEDs but I keep going back to why this year and not the past 3 years since that is when testing was implemented? And for those who were using HGH, there is still no testing so why stop now?

    Bud and MLB would like nothing better than a league focussed on pitching (Strasburgh mania is league sponsored and Selig approved) and not slugging because it serves the drug testing is working narrative (like pitchers never juiced) but why players are “cooperating” with that is what is confusing.

    Influx of young pitchers who have youth on their side, 5 days to recover between starts and fly ahead rather than follow TV schedules and fly through the night? The interesting thing will be to see how many have longevity. 30 may become the new 40 in MLB.

  44. GreenBeret7 June 13th, 2010 at 10:31 am

    Erica in NY June 13th, 2010 at 10:18 am
    GreenBeret7 June 13th, 2010 at 10:12 am
    Huffman is replacing Thames. He’s already on the 40 man roster, so, no adjustments need to be made.

    **********

    Who asked about the 40 man?

    I just said that Huffman was the 35th guy to be on the 25 man this season

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    Calm down Erica. Somebody asked whether Huffman was replacing Moeller or Thames. It wasn’t in response to anything you said.

  45. vinny-b (Brett Gardner will never see the bench again) June 13th, 2010 at 10:32 am

    “I’ve noticed a lot of remarks made about Rodriguez’ “loss of power” as a sign of past steroid use from here and many of the various media outlets”
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    you won’t find it from me. He doesn’t try to do too much, with runnners in scoring position. I prefer this approach, over his approach in years past. And his BA is fine

  46. Phil the Thrill June 13th, 2010 at 10:32 am

    I think they may have done something to the baseballs.

  47. vinny-b (Brett Gardner will never see the bench again) June 13th, 2010 at 10:32 am

    Posada and Pettitte will both be in the Hall of Fame

  48. John_Halfz June 13th, 2010 at 10:33 am

    To give a little context, Posada is decidedly below average as a defensive C. Gary Carter was one of the best defensive catchers ever. Since World War II, it is hard to find a catcher who had a 5 year stretch anywhere near as good as Carter’s 1979-1983

  49. blake June 13th, 2010 at 10:33 am

    “Fisk and Carter both played for longer than they should have. For the first 5500 AB of Carter’s career, his OPS+ was higher. He was also a much better defensive player than Posada.”

    Carter had a pretty big drop off at the age of 33. If you’re not going to hold his early decline against him then I don’t think you can hold Posada’s late start against him.

  50. John_Halfz June 13th, 2010 at 10:34 am

    Posada should be a borderline HOFer…veterans’ committee after many years. Pettitte shouldn’t sniff it.

  51. ron June 13th, 2010 at 10:36 am

    I really believe girrardi wanted to give posada fri-monday off.

    The 14 inning game in toronto on that turf is when he believed arod got hurt.

  52. GreenBeret7 June 13th, 2010 at 10:36 am

    pat June 13th, 2010 at 10:31 am
    GB

    It seems that the loss of power in general is being attributed by many to a crackdown on PEDs but I keep going back to why this year and not the past 3 years since that is when testing was implemented? And for those who were using HGH, there is still no testing so why stop now?

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    I don’t see HGH as being anything other than as a sugar pill/placebo. Personally, I doubt that steroids had that much of an affect, either. Maybe at most, a 5% increase in offense and even less in pitching.

  53. Phil the Thrill June 13th, 2010 at 10:36 am

    Posada should get in under regular eligibility rules.

  54. ron June 13th, 2010 at 10:37 am

    Sorry,meant arod off fri-monday,not posada.

  55. vinny-b (Brett Gardner will never see the bench again) June 13th, 2010 at 10:38 am

    “Pettitte shouldn’t sniff it”
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    never mind the fact, he is not done yet (still dominating) and arguably the best ‘big game’ pitcher, either of us have ever seen. The lack of respect for Andy Pettitte by Yankee fans is strange. Basically, the polar opposite of Derek Jeter

  56. 86w183 June 13th, 2010 at 10:39 am

    The ban began in 2004 and those around since then are seeing a decline over the four years. Additionally teams have wisely been emphasizing power arms to take advantage of slower bat speeds of aging, non pill-popping, non-juicing players.

    It would not surprising me to see Alex struggle to top the 35 HR mark this year and into the future. His may be the last long-term deal that takes someone into his 40′s that we’ll ever see again.

  57. John_Halfz June 13th, 2010 at 10:39 am

    Just don’t agree. Whatever. Stronger hitting catchers are the norm today. Posada has been, at time, a very poor defender. He’s also probably the worst baserunner in the American League, consistently (not just slowest, but worst). The other guys to whom you’re comparing him were plus defenders. At a position where it really matters. Can’t see how Posada jumps out as a guy who should get in via pres vote.

  58. blake June 13th, 2010 at 10:39 am

    “Posada should be a borderline HOFer…veterans’ committee after many years.”

    name 5 catchers in the last 20 years with a better resume than Posada.

  59. pat June 13th, 2010 at 10:41 am

    ESPN Player Poll. 50 AL and 50 NL Players polled on best and worst umpires. No surprises.

    http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/.....id=5281467

  60. vinny-b (Brett Gardner will never see the bench again) June 13th, 2010 at 10:42 am

    “He’s also probably the worst baserunner in the American League, consistently (not just slowest, but worst)”
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    yes. Keep Posada out of the Hall of Fame, because he’s a catcher who is a slow baserunner. That makes sense

  61. CRAWDADDY (Boycott ESPN-NY) June 13th, 2010 at 10:42 am

    “I think they may have done something to the baseballs.”

    Phil,

    I wouldn’t be surprise if that’s one of reasons either. Like I stated, I think they’re a number of factors instead of just one or two.

  62. Phil the Thrill June 13th, 2010 at 10:43 am

    He’s one of the greatest offensive catchers in history. And his defense and baserunning we so bad that his team just WON ALL THE TIME. He’s been one of the leaders of one of the great dynasty teams. The only time they didn’t make the playoffs in a 15 year span was when he was out getting shoulder surgery. He’s been an absolute force, and is going to the Hall of Fame.

  63. vinny-b (Brett Gardner will never see the bench again) June 13th, 2010 at 10:45 am

    “And his defense and baserunning we so bad that his team just WON ALL THE TIME. He’s been one of the leaders of one of the great dynasty teams”
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    +10 points

  64. GreenBeret7 June 13th, 2010 at 10:46 am

    blake June 13th, 2010 at 10:39 am
    “Posada should be a borderline HOFer…veterans’ committee after many years.”

    name 5 catchers in the last 20 years with a better resume than Posada.

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    In the last 25 years (an entire generation), of those HOF eligible (at least 10 years in the Majors, there are only 20, Piazza and I. Rodrigiez.

  65. blake June 13th, 2010 at 10:48 am

    “In the last 25 years (an entire generation), of those HOF eligible (at least 10 years in the Majors, there are only 20, Piazza and I. Rodrigiez.”

    agree, and one of those has steroid connections which I don’t care about but the writers sure do.

  66. GreenBeret7 June 13th, 2010 at 10:49 am

    John_Halfz June 13th, 2010 at 10:39 am
    Just don’t agree. Whatever. Stronger hitting catchers are the norm today. Posada has been, at time, a very poor defender. He’s also probably the worst baserunner in the American League, consistently (not just slowest, but worst). The other guys to whom you’re comparing him were plus defenders. At a position where it really matters. Can’t see how Posada jumps out as a guy who should get in via pres vote.

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    How many catcgers are in the HOF because of their base running skills? His so-called catching deficiencies are about as overstated as Piazza’s.

  67. John_Halfz June 13th, 2010 at 10:49 am

    The HGH debate is really old. In a perfect world, who cares? OTOH, Pettitte is no more credible than anyone else just because he’s “aw, shucks.” His standard of truth has migrated more than once. I’m surprised that anyone takes him at his word.

    More to the point, Pettitte isn’t in the HOF for the same reason a guy like Virgil Trucks isn’t in the Hall of Fame (not Trucks’s fault he played for crap teams). And Pettitte isn’t a power pitcher like Bert Blyleven with over 3700 K. And he had two dominant seasons: one in his youth and one when he told people he cheated…but only twice.

    I mean, there are a million reasons.

  68. stuckey June 13th, 2010 at 10:49 am

    “the blog has been getting about 250 game posts in recent days. last year at this time the blog was hitting as high as 1935 game posts and averaging about 1500 game posts.”

    As someone practiced in the world of online content generation, I can tell you from an informed position the amount of traffic content gets and the amount of traffic reader response generates are completely different animals.

    That said, I also don’t think “volume” is a very good or relevant critique of the quality of discourse. I’ve often found game threads entirely unreadable, this year and last, based on the trolling, bridge-jumping and one-line drive by’s.

    In fact, when this place devolves into a chat-roon/IM session/Twitter feed, it when it’s at its worst.

    I fully support everyone’s right to post as they like, but when someone hits a homerun and 10 posts pop-up with his name and anywhere from 1 to 10 exclamation points, not sure that extra “volume” really says all that much about the quality of the dialogue.

  69. GreenBeret7 June 13th, 2010 at 10:52 am

    only ***2, Piazza and I. Rodriguez***

  70. John_Halfz June 13th, 2010 at 10:53 am

    I’m not saying I don’t like Posada or won’t miss him. Maybe the real issue is that the HOF isn’t really a very selective place. Go to Cooperstown and walk down the hall. Posada is a terrific hitter.

    He’s an incredibly bad fielder. And he’s not a complete ballplayer in the way that most C in the class are. I don’t think his baserunning would, or should, preclude his admittance. It’s a very minor part of his game as a C. It’s just an area in which he is astonishingly bad.

    Again, I think Posada is a tremendous hitter. I’ve really enjoyed the chance to watch him for the past 15 years. I’m just not aware of a rule that says that 5 players from each position should make it in every 20 years.

  71. whatever June 13th, 2010 at 10:54 am

    I have a good feeling about Huffman, I think he’s the next Jason Werth.

  72. John_Halfz June 13th, 2010 at 10:55 am

    And yes, Piazza is an even worse defensive catcher. Because he had a glass arm in addition to his being unable to field the position. Posada is just deficient in the latter area.

  73. randy l. June 13th, 2010 at 10:55 am

    “To give a little context, Posada is decidedly below average as a defensive C” .

    that depends how you define “is”?

    do you mean for his whole career or just as a 39 year old compared to league average ?

    he’s not a below average defensive catcher compared to other 39 year old catchers.

    gary carter’s age 39 catching year is non existent because he was out of baseball at that point.

    posada was also not a below average fielding catcher in his prime.

    i’d say he was pretty average defensively in his prime.

    gary carter stopped catching full time at age 34.

    you’re not above average anything sitting on the bench most of the time as carter did age 35-38.

    posada has had a knack for staying off the DL list and for longevity as well as being a great offensive catcher.

    could he have blocked a few more balls in the dirt?

    sure, but no hall of fame catcher is perfect

  74. vinny-b (Brett Gardner will never see the bench again) June 13th, 2010 at 10:55 am

    “I have a good feeling about Huffman, I think he’s the next Jason Werth”
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    sarcasm?

  75. pistol pete June 13th, 2010 at 10:56 am

    I love Arod but let’s face it he’s wearing down. He gets hurt a fair amount of time, is clearly slower than he used to be and is now extremely overpaid. His contract will be an albatross for the Yankees in future years. At $30m plus for 6 or 7 yrs to go is a heavy heavy financial burden. I know Arod opted out but was surprised the Yankees had to pay as much as they did for as long as they did for Arod, I didn’t think any other team was even close to offering that amount of money and time.

  76. randy l. June 13th, 2010 at 10:57 am

    “He’s an incredibly bad fielder.”

    based on what?

    where are you getting this stuff?

    have you watched the yankees for the last 14 years?

  77. vinny-b (Brett Gardner will never see the bench again) June 13th, 2010 at 10:58 am

    “I know Arod opted out but was surprised the Yankees had to pay as much as they did for as long as they did for Arod, I didn’t think any other team was even close to offering that amount of money and time”
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    if memory serves, SJ44 said the Angels were in at 160 million. And that was it

  78. pat June 13th, 2010 at 10:59 am

    eboland11 Much of Huffman’s family flying up from the Houston area this morning to see his MLB debut

  79. Buckwheat Has Been Shot! June 13th, 2010 at 11:00 am

    I’ve never seen accuscore make a team a bigger favorite than the Yanks are today:

    Yanks @82%

  80. vinny-b (Brett Gardner will never see the bench again) June 13th, 2010 at 11:00 am

    “have you watched the yankees for the last 14 years?”
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    not to mention, Posada has thrown a hellla amount of runners out. He has been very satisfactory, in that department. That has to account for something…

  81. John_Halfz June 13th, 2010 at 11:00 am

    Whatever. I don’t have a particular passion about this. The HOF is pretty stupid. If Posada is really one of the best 204 MLBers of all time, then so be it. By the time he’s hall eligible, maybe he’ll only have to be one of the best 250 MLBers of all time.

    It’s weird to me that Gary Carter belongs in the same club as Roberto Clemente, Willie Mays, Stan Musial and Babe Ruth…but I guess that’s what happens at an elite place: it’s impossible to define standards perfectly.

  82. blake June 13th, 2010 at 11:01 am

    I think the advantage that Posada has given the Yankees over other teams just because he has been able to stay behind the plate gets lost.

    Had Posada not been able to remain behind the plate then last years lineup would have just had just Posada, instead of both Posada and Matusi in it. It allows an extra quality bat in the lineup and that makes a big difference and has been a key to the Yankee’s success over the years.

  83. Phil the Thrill June 13th, 2010 at 11:01 am

    Piazza and IRod were both roiders. Piazza was the greatest hitting catcher of all time (well, outside of Josh Gibson), but I think Posada ultimately has had more career value than IRod. Even though IRod won awards he shouldn’t have.

  84. pat June 13th, 2010 at 11:01 am

    :arrow:

  85. GreenBeret7 June 13th, 2010 at 11:03 am

    There are few worse base runners or defensive catchers in the HOF than Ernie Lombardi.

  86. John_Halfz June 13th, 2010 at 11:04 am

    Randy L.

    He fields his position very poorly and compensates somewhat with a strong arm. He’s not in the same abhorrent class as Piazza, true. He has a hard time catching the ball sometimes. Which is strange.

    Anyway, I don’t want to cut the guy down. That’s the problem with these exercises. Ending up finding reasons to disparage a guy you like and respect. I root for him, I like him, I’ll miss him when he’s gone. I just don’t think of him in the same class as even his teammate, Jeter. And it’s hard for me to think of him as being one of the best 204 players in the past 135 years. Maybe he is!

  87. Doreen - GTLU Stuff & Photos June 13th, 2010 at 11:05 am

    Thanks, Erica. I will be in touch.

    86w183 -

    This is a first of sorts for an all-girls pleasure trip. We’re headed to Deerfield Beach to visit my folks’ new home there. It should be fun. I’m starting to get a little nervous about the sheer volume of driving, though. :)

    Enjoy the game all, catch you later.

    :)

  88. GreenBeret7 June 13th, 2010 at 11:13 am

    John_Halfz June 13th, 2010 at 11:04 am
    Randy L.

    He fields his position very poorly and compensates somewhat with a strong arm. He’s not in the same abhorrent class as Piazza, true. He has a hard time catching the ball sometimes. Which is strange.

    Anyway, I don’t want to cut the guy down. That’s the problem with these exercises. Ending up finding reasons to disparage a guy you like and respect. I root for him, I like him, I’ll miss him when he’s gone. I just don’t think of him in the same class as even his teammate, Jeter. And it’s hard for me to think of him as being one of the best 204 players in the past 135 years. Maybe he is!

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    Let Jeter catch for 12-15 years and see how close he gets to 3,000 hits. The HOF also considers position played, not just numbers. How else would Ozzie Smith, Bill Mazeriski, PeeWee Reese and Phil Rizzuto get in?

  89. randy l. June 13th, 2010 at 12:14 pm

    “That’s the problem with these exercises. Ending up finding reasons to disparage a guy you like and respect. I root for him, I like him, I’ll miss him when he’s gone.”

    got you john. us posada supporters are just trying to point out he might be a a lot better than you think. i get it that you like him as a player.

    it’s a worthwhile discussion and will be in the years after posada retires. this is going to be discussed for many years and maybe decades if it takes posada that long to get in.


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