Jeter joins Beyond Sport initiative
Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Misc on Jun 14, 2010 
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Here’s the press release passed along by the Yankees.
Derek Jeter, five-time Major League Baseball World Series winner and New York Yankees legend, has been unveiled as an Ambassador to Beyond Sport, the global initiative that promotes, develops and funds the use of sport to create positive social change across the world.
As an Ambassador, Derek will be responsible for spreading the word about BeyondSport and its associated values helping to build awareness about the impact sport can have on communities worldwide. In addition, he will offer his input during the final judging process for the Beyond Sport Awards which provides funding and business support worth $1 million annually to the best projects across the globe that use sport to address issues within their communities.
Derek’s appointment as an Ambassador also represents a substantial show of support for Beyond Sport by Major League Baseball, one of the most widely recognised sports leagues in the world.
Speaking about his new role, Derek said: “The more we can highlight the important role that sport can play in creating positive social change and show the meaningful benefits it can bring, the more impact we can have on the lives of disadvantaged people all around the world.
“Beyond Sport’s outreach is something that I firmly believe in, and I am proud to be able to play my part in helping to achieve those goals.”
Derek joins 23 other Ambassadors, all who bring unique experiences and visions to the Beyond Sport initiative, including former British Prime Minister Tony Blair; the multi-Olympic gold medalist Michael Johnson; Lord Sebastian Coe, Chairman of the London 2012 Olympics; HRH Prince Feisal Al Hussein of Jordan; and two-time Women’s World Cup winner and former president of the Women’s Sport Foundation, Julie Foudy.
So the Yankees should have seen 1.5 years into the future, passed on Posada, waited that 1.5 years and traded prospects for an inferior player offensively and defensively?
If you haven’t before, now you are just diving into fantasy land.
There is nothing wrong with Jorge’s deal. Money or years.
Especially since still in the 4th and final year of Jorge’s deal, there is no viable replacement available.
Even if the Yankees signed him to a super duper team friendly 2 year deal, Jorge would have been re-upped for at least another 2 years after last year and probably more.
What does everyone think Jeter does after he retires as a player?
If the Yankees has exercised better judgment on Posada’s contract perhaps they would have had enough free agent dollars to get in on Matt Holliday like so any fans wanted them to in the off-season.
Think about it, Yankees didn’t have any outfield prospects near the majors and he would have not only refreshed the roster for years to come but also would have made this years line-up circul…
[What..? Hold on give me a minute, I'm trying to finish a point here... What? Hollidays OPS is only .809? And he makes HOW much? Brett Gardner has a higher OPS..? $450k??? Really??? Thanks]
Uh, nevermind…
“What does everyone think Jeter does after he retires as a player?”
Get back to his other job being a playa!!
Holla!
Can I get a what! what!?
Ed-
I don’t know but something tells me it won’t just be tiddlywinks unless Minka gets involved.
If a snark snarks to himself in a forest, and no one is around to read it, does anyone care?
Chip,
everybody on here that’s a regular knows about my nephew.
If you don’t, I can’t help you.
The Posada contract hasn’t hurt the Yankees one bit, despite your proclaimations to the contrary.
The fact that Posada is still playing well in the third year of that 4 year deal would suggest to me that the Yankees knew what they were doing when they made the deal.
Regardless of SJ44s often dubious claims, the entire media had the Mets on posada for 4 years, and as we saw with Bengie Molina they have no problem paying a premium for catchers.
Despite that they have been scorned twice!
“If a snark snarks to himself in a forest, and no one is around to read it, does anyone care?”
I’m an artist, not a celebrity.
Snark is its own reward.
That SJ is Tony’s uncle has not only been confirmed on this website but several other baseball sites as well. It is not even a question.
IIRC SJ was interviewed by Mike Silva about his nephew last year.
I either read or heard that Jeter would like to be the owner/part owner of a team. No sport specified.
Giuseppe Franco June 14th, 2010 at 6:10 pm
Chip was a guy who wanted the Yanks to let Pettitte walk as well.
I?m all for getting younger, but younger doesn?t always mean better. Especially when you?re talking about two guys with 8 WS rings between them in 2007/08.
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My take on Andy is purely personal. I think he got a pass from the press, the fans and the club for some of the most attrocious behavior I’ve seen from a professional.
2007 – he has a contract on the table to return to the Yankees, hems and haws over it for weeks and then, when he knows he’s about to be publically exposed as a steroid user he grabs up the contract without giving the club a head’s up.
Anyway you want to spin it, that’s garbage.
How they rank now:
CY YOUNG AL
1.David Price TB
2.Andy Pettitte NYY
3.Phil Hughes NYY
4.Jeff Niemann TB
5.Francisco Liriano MIN
6.Jihn Lester BOS
7.Cliff Lee SEA
8.Doug Fister SEA
9.Laptop BOS
10.Jason Vargas SEA
CY Young NL
1.Ubaldo Jimenez COL
2.Josh Johnson FLA
3.Jamie Garcia STL
*4. Doc Halladay PHL
5.Yovani Gallardo MIL
6.Adam Wainwrigh STLt
7.Mike Pelfrey NYM
8.Matt Cain SF
9.Livan Hernandez WSH
10.Tim Hudson AL
American League Rookie of the Year
1.Austin Jackson DET
2.Brennan Boesch DET
3.Reid Brignac TB
4.Justin Smoak TX
5.John Jaso TB
*The Phitin is 4th in the NL
Probably open up the Derek jeter school for kids who can’t play baseball good and want to learn to do other things good too.
“Probably open up the Derek jeter school for kids who can’t play baseball good and want to learn to do other things good too.”
I hear Jeter insisted the center had to be at least 3 times bigger than the model.
I am Cy Young, MVP, and RoY.
Jeter should stick to playing Baseball and forget about making political statements until he retires. a mission to save the world is a bunch of BULL.
Ed-
Or to look at it another way.
What does a handsome, intelligent, athletic, famous, wealthy, charismatic batchelor do ?
This seemingly monthly attempt by certain posters to call SJ’s identity into question is really a huge waste of time for those people and the board.
He is not exactly hiding behind a screen name. If you want to know who he is you can find out in less than 10 seconds on google.
So please just head on over to google instead of posting that nonsense on here.
SAS June 14th, 2010 at 6:32 pm
I either read or heard that Jeter would like to be the owner/part owner of a team. No sport specified.
I could really see that happening. It’s been rumored for years that Cal Ripkin has been waiting to buy the Orioles when Angelos becomes ready to sell.
“a mission to save the world is a bunch of BULL.”
Yeah!
F— the world!
I learned the art of snark from Stuckey.
I’m glad for this venture. It’s time for Derek to step out from his routine of baseball and women.
Ed-
“I’m glad for this venture. It’s time for Derek to step out from his routine of baseball and women.”
Really ? Have you been to see your Dr. lately ?
Why should Derek complicate his life in a fruitless search for meaning when he was doin’ just fine with the baseball and the women.
K.I.S.S.
Not sure I really understand exactly what BeyondSport does but it sounds good so congratulations Derek on being an Ambassador.
Found the blog that the Philly troll is from http://www.thephightins.com it’s a bit weird like the troll.
No registration too!
But he’s from the Phitins…not the Phightins….
Damon-
“No registration too!”
The only requirement was that your IQ had to be below 80.
I am SOOOOOO tired of Posada being treated like a second class Yankee. Enough already.
Doreen,
Its actually funny when you think about it. Let’s bring in a ton of second class players but trash Posada.
Makes sense to me! lol
Derek will end up like Reggie, wandering between Steinbrenner Field and NYS like a baseball hobo, not actually coaching or doing anything. He will allow media types to fill articles by writing, “I saw *x prospect* talking with jeter behind the cage, and he was laughing, so maybe *whomever* is getting knowledge imparted on him”
If only we had traded Joba for Mike Stanton, we wouldn’t have this outfield depth problem…stupid Cashman.
“Why should Derek complicate his life in a fruitless search for meaning when he was doin’ just fine with the baseball and the women.
K.I.S.S. ”
He’s a guy with substance and values. He’s given a whole lot to his team. Now he’s (rumored) about to get married and is looking toward the end of his careers as a player (both in baseball and women.) He’s going to need something else to do, someplace to put his energy.
Chip, it is more than obvious that you have only one purpose in posting here and that is to just stir up controversy and b.s. You are not here to learn or have dialog or community. You are here to upset and disrupt things. That is all.
Ed-
Perhaps it wasn’t clear but it was a joke.
Posada just flat out produces.Jeter,mo,pettitte also.
They all deserve every penny they are making for bringing us multiple rings & producing at ages when most players decline many years younger.
Enjoy pettitte,jeter,mo,posada’s last few years because sadly it is coming to an end soon.
What a priveledge & an honor to grow with them & watch them all these years.
Remarkable.
SJ44 -
I don’t know what the guy has to do. It would be comical if it wasn’t so shortsighted.
They are all underpaid for building an empire.
The only downfall of having such great catching depth in the minors is that the fans who don’t appreciate Posada will never fully understand how big a blow it will be when he retires.
Only four players in the HISTORY of North American professional sports to be teammates for this many years.
Its something we will never see again.
Instead of looking for warts or making up stories to diminish their value, folks ought to be thankful, enjoy these guys, and show respect for their careers and the way they have carried themselves as Yankees.
I hear ya’, MTU.
Derek Jeter is unbelievable
Ed,
It would be interesting if a group of HOF good guy players bought a team. I had hoped the Yankees would sell a piece to Jeter, but I was told that wouldn’t ever happen.
SWB has an International League MVP candidate in their midst.
http://blogs.thetimes-tribune.com/yankees/?p=5178
That giant sucking sound you’ll hear will be the vacuum left behind when the core 4 finally retire.
That will also be the next Solar Eclipse as well- cast by their shadows.
In some ways none of them is really replaceable.
Big shoes to fill.
Doreen
I think with all the fantasy sports,video games and the blogs some get caught up in the cyber world and don’t realize these are people not something on a video screen.
You never realize what you have until you don’t have it anymore.
It refers to life as well as sports.
When Mo retires, and his replacement blows a few saves in a row, folks will appreciate Mo.
When the next, great catching prospect is hitting .220 in AAA, and isn’t yet ready, if at all (oh that’s happening right now!), you will appreciate how Posada has played all these years at such a high level….and continues to do so.
When a SS doesn’t hit in the clutch like Jeter, or makes a game saving play, you will miss Jeter.
When a more talented starter spits the bit in a playoff game, you will appreciate Andy Pettitte.
Some guys just aren’t as replacable, at least in terms of getting the same performance, as guys like this.
Especially Posada, if anybody cares to review 2008.
pat
He was awful with the Yankees. If necessary, we could give him a try.
SJ44…
What you say is so true throughout life. We don’t appreciate things when we have them. I love the Core 4 and rue they day when they will have to retire.
SJ-
To put it very simply.
Some people wouldn’t know a diamond if they held it in their hands.;)
Here’s the funny thing…..
Everyone of the Core Four would have been blown to bits if there was an internet back when they were in the minors.
Mo was a “failed starter”.
Posada was a “skinny second baseman from JUCO they had to try at catcher because they didn’t have any catchers”.
Jeter was a “bust of a first round pick” after he made 57 errors in his first year of A Ball.
Pettitte was a JAG (Just Another Guy) in the system. Not a lot of hype.
Each of these guys would have been KILLED by the internet scouts we have around today.
Yet, every one of them have carved out a HOF or near HOF career.
Only Jeter had Montero-like hype among the four.
It shows you how difficult it is to make it and succeed at the major league level.
Some people just don’t realize what they are witnessing with the core 4.
Remember the yankees were coming out of some bad years in the 80′s,early 90′s when the 4 came along.
All the planets were aligned to pull it off.
SJ-
“It shows you how difficult it is to make it and succeed at the major league level.”
It also shows you how hard it is to predict success.
Our most recent example might be GGBG. The man from nowhere who wound up somewhere.;)
You know what, you guys can drink the “Jorge Posada is the best team guy in history” Kool-Aid if you want.
For my money I’ll take a guy like Joe Mauer, Roy Halladay, or even Josh Beckett, who could have eclipsed their current salaries by hitting the open market but passed on the opportunity to sign with their current teams instead.
Oh, and for the record, I didn’t say that Cashman shouldn’t have signed Posada, I just suggested that he was boxed in and had to give him more than he wanted to.
MTU,
Its SO hard to make it to the majors, let alone have a great career, I think some fans just take it for granted.
They read about the “next big thing” in the minors and think its a guarantee they are going to make it.
We have had folks on here CONVINCED Jesus Montero would catch 100-120 games for the Yankees next year.
That has NO chance of happening. It would have had NO chance of happening if he was hitting .300 this year.
Why? Because that’s not how the Yankees break in their young catchers AND the fact Posada is still here playing at a high level.
MLB is a very tough gig. Its filled with guys you get knocked down a few times before they make it.
In fact, you really find out about prospects when they struggle. If they overcome it, THEN you have something special.
Until then, regardless of talent, they are all big question marks.
SJ44
I started following the Yankees at the end of Mantles career. It was many years till they started winning again. The teams of the 90s with these four on it is like getting back to those teams in the early 60s. People shouldn’t take these players lightly. Most of us haven’t seen a collection of talent like this in our lifetime. Except for GB7.
Oh, and while SJ tries to convince you that I think Jorge is a garbage player I’ll say it again. I think he’s a terrific player. I just think his legend as a team first guy far exceeds the reality.
If you are a Yankee fan, or consider yourself one, and hate on Posada, you are beyond retarded.
SJ-
I guess it’s another one of those whatever doesn’t kill you makes you stronger sort of things.
You’re referencing the “mental toughness” part of the sport I guess, and how paramount that is to making it.
Is there anyone who would prefer Carlos Quentin over Austin Kearns?
It’s hard to believe that Quentin is this bad or that Kearns is this good.
Quentin seems like a buy-low player in the same vein as Swisher was or Granderson. Both Swisher and Granderson were coming off bad seasons that didn’t match their peak performance in previous years.
It’s true, SJ. We will never again see what we have now.
The Yankees are doing a good job of trying to make the most out of the special talents and leadership that these guys bring to the team as they creep toward retirement.
Mantle, Berra and Ford of the 1950s-1960s is the closest group I can think of who provided the degree of leadership and success that these four provide.
Chip June 14th, 2010 at 6:35 pm
My take on Andy is purely personal. I think he got a pass from the press, the fans and the club for some of the most attrocious behavior I’ve seen from a professional.
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You are entitled to feel however you want about Pettitte.
But make no mistake, you would have been a horrible business decision that probably would have cost this team a chance to win the WS because of your own personal feelings regarding a ballplayer with an obvious impeccable track record for getting it done on the field.
That argument holds true for either the Pettitte or Posada contracts.
Why would guys making lesser deals for themselves be “better” team players than Posada.
Especially since all three guys are different cases than Posada.
Joe Mauer is a hometown guy from Minnesota. That’s where he is most comfortable. That’s his personal choice.
Roy Halladay lives 15 minutes from the Phillies facility and wanted to play with a winner after losing his entire career. Again, his choice.
Josh Beckett is a team player? lol Tell that to his teammates who hate his guts.
He signed a deal to stay in Boston mainly because a lot of teams aren’t fans of his shoulder x-ray. Even the Red Sox are leery about his ability to stay healthy.
Signing lesser deals doesn’t make somebody a “team player”. It just means they made a choice that’s best for them.
Mike Lowell signed a lesser deal with the Red Sox and would tell you its the biggest mistake he has ever made.
Posada exercised his right as a FA. If the Yankees wanted to sign him in season, as the Red Sox did Beckett, and the Twins did Mauer, Jorge would have gladly negotiated with them.
Instead, the Yankees chose to wait. As they do with their FA’s to be.
When you do that, sometimes, you pay more.
That’s the way it goes.
That doesn’t have ANYTHING to do with Posada being a team guy except in the minds of folks who have zero understanding about the business of baseball.
Chip June 14th, 2010 at 7:19 pm
Oh, and while SJ tries to convince you that I think Jorge is a garbage player I?ll say it again. I think he?s a terrific player. I just think his legend as a team first guy far exceeds the reality.
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Unless you’re basing this from personal information I don’t see how you can say that based on what you here in the media. That is one of the most unreliable sources.
hear in the media.
I hate to tell you, but I go back pre-Mantle. I never saw a game with Dimaggio, but I heard them on the radio. Actually, we got a TV in 1949.
It’s not like people don’t the respect the Core Four — everybody just hates the phrase “Core Four.” It’s just a stupid name.
Chip,
I’ve cited numerous examples of Posada being a team guy. You have cited nothing to suggest otherwise except to have a dislike for someone having the nerve to use his rights as a free agent to test the open market.
You have bagged on the guy all day, been called on it by more posters than just I, and now seem to take offense to it.
Not understanding why but, then again, I don’t care so, its no big deal.
It’s the blessing and the curse of the internet, really.
You have so much information at your fingertips, and that’s both wonderful and dangerous. Because it’s how you use the information that’s the most important.
My feeling about minor league players is you watch from afar, someone maybe catches your eye and every once in a while you look in on them to see how they’re doing. It’s great to have internet capabilities for this. Years ago, reports on minor league players were few and far between and mainly focused on the few phenoms just before they were called up.
Fantasy baseball can be such a great pastime for people and it really can enhance a person’s enjoyment of the game, and appreciate for players other than those who play for the team you root for. It can get you to pay attention to things you never noticed before. But it’s called “fantasy” for a reason. It’s not how “real” baseball works. Players are not as interchangeable; you don’t bench someone in real life with the ease you bench them in a fantasy league; and trades have to make sense (for both sides).
Video games have their place too. But it’s also fantasy. But it dehumanizes the people who play the game.
Perhaps it makes a difference when a person first came to baseball or what team they followed at first. Most of you all here, with a few exceptions, have always been Yankees fans. But some suffered through the lean years, some came aboard in better times and don’t know from empty seats at the stadium. It honestly believe if you’ve been through years with a team that wasn’t winning, or wasn’t contending, you’re humbler and your expectations are more realistic. And I don’t mean for a year (2008 – ha !) or two.
I became a baseball fan in 1969. I was a “bandwagoner,” I guess, since I got caught up in the World Series with the Mets. There was no escaping that – radios in classrooms and so much excitement. But I learned quickly that even though they won 100 games and the WS in 1969, it didn’t mean a darn thing in the following years. Yes, they were better, but it was a fight each year until 1986. I followed and loved players whose only way into the HOF was to buy a ticket, just like me.
Anyway, a long-winded way of saying, these Yankees are very special. And the core 4 who’ve been a part of all of it from 1996 (14 years??????) are legendary Yankees. Core = center. They are the center of the team and they center this team. And Jorge Posada, the guy behind the plate, the fiery leader who hates to lose is a central as they get. He’ll go out in the sunset as all players do, but do we really have to rush it????????
Roy Halladay was traded to the Phillies and signed an extension. It happens all the time.
If he was such a team player why didn’t he work something out with the Blue Jays? The team he was with his whole career and stuck with him even when he had to be sent all the way down to A ball.
Josh Beckett? lol. Real team player. Maybe he knew something everyone else did not. With the way he is pitching this year and suffering even more injuries it is very unlikely he would have eclipsed the deal he got from Boston on the open market.
And didn’t Jorge already once re-up with the Yankees instead of go to FA? At an age when he was set to cash in the most. When nearly every other player in baseball elects for FA, he signed an extension with the Yankees.
Doreen,
Great post. You don’t need to rush these guys out the door…..especially when all four guys are STILL playing the game at a high level and the Yankees don’t have anybody in house yet to replace any of these guys at this time.
SAS-
“Actually, we got a TV in 1949.”
That was the year after I was a “wink” in my parent’s eyes.
It wasn’t a DuMont by any chance was it ?
Giuseppe Franco June 14th, 2010 at 7:23 pm
Chip June 14th, 2010 at 6:35 pm
My take on Andy is purely personal. I think he got a pass from the press, the fans and the club for some of the most attrocious behavior I’ve seen from a professional.
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You are entitled to feel however you want about Pettitte.
But make no mistake, you would have been a horrible business decision that probably would have cost this team a chance to win the WS because of your own personal feelings regarding a ballplayer with an obvious impeccable track record for getting it done on the field.
That argument holds true for either the Pettitte or Posada contracts.
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I fully admit my personal feelings could have cost the team; that said, I have lost any respect I ever had for Andy Pettitte the person and lose a little respect each time the club extends him another contract.
As for Jorge, well I’m not sure how letting him hit the open market rather than caving to his demands would have immediately hurt the club; they still could have signed him after seeing what his market value was.
I’m also not sure how my opinion that Jorge’s odds of getting a new contract from the club following this one are low are so offensive to everyone.
Doreen,
Well put. And I am sure the ‘dog days’ will come again.
SJ44
Arroyro(sp) signed a team friendly contract with the RS and they then traded him to Cincy. Do you think he might have liked to take Posadas approach?
The “Core Four” can serve the Yankees in the capacity of their choosing when their playing days are finished. They may want to take a few years off but will be back.
Posada has great potential as a manager.
Joe Mauer’s contract is also not exactly a bargain basement deal.
He is being very well paid and is now set for life no matter what happens as this season goes on.
In fact, since Mauer is unlikely to spend maybe even most of that contract at C and catching involves a lot of injury risk it is a pretty fair deal.
Also, whether it is the ballpark or something else, Mauer’s power surge last year may have been an aberration.
Is he worth that much without the power? Especially as a 1B or DH down the line?
Not so sure about that.
LGY,
Its real simple. If the Yankees wanted to negotiate with Jorge during the season, he would have gladly done so.
The Levinson Brothers, his agents, are reasonable guys and would have WELCOMED it.
They are also VERY close to Cash. In fact, Cash rode out to the Winter Meetings this year on their private jet.
The Yankees policy is to not negotiate contracts with free agents to be in season.
That being the case, why is Posada, or any Yankee FA, “not a team player” for playing the market? Especially since The team won’t negotiate with them during the season.
Seems to me its a silly criteria to determine one’s “team first” dedication when the team itself won’t negotiate with the player in season.
Doreen,
Are you saying that, up to 1986, you were a Mets fan?
I like Jorge but this should be the last contract for him. After next year he should hang it up and call it a career.
And I do resent the implication by some that to be a “true Yankee fan” you have to worship at the altars of all members of the “core four.”
I’m a big fan of Derek and Mariano, think they represent the best that the Yankee uniform has to offer. I don’t believe Jorge or Andy are on that level either as people or players.
Just because everyone has a platform to speak here on LoHud doesn’t mean they should use it. Those who don’t really understand how baseball works should stay quiet more and learn from those who do.
“they still could have signed him after seeing what his market value was.”
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This is exactly what the Yankees did. The Mets had a 4 years on the table. And the Yankees signed him for 4 years.
Unless you are denying the Mets willingness to offer 4 years, I don’t think you even know what you are arguing anymore.
Jeter 2012
Doreen
Great post. If I tried to type that much it would take me till morning.
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Eduardo Nunez doubled to score Curtis from 1st.
Nunez stole 3rd.
Vazquez singled to score Nunez.
Montero doubled down the right field line to score Vazquez
Sanchez pitching. 1 inning, 0 hits, 0 runs, 0 walks, 2 strikeouts
Fact is, the Yankees did allow Posada to shop his services.
Once the Mets went to four years with an offer, the Yankees knew what they had to do in order to retain his services.
They WANTED Jorge Posada back because he could still play at a high level and they had nobody to replace him.
In other words, they did exactly what you wanted them to do. They let him shop and when an offer came along, they had to make a decision on whether or not to keep him.
They decided to keep him and its turned out to be the correct move.
Chip
Ask Jeter and Mo if they feel the same about Andy and Po as you do. I think I can guess the answer.
” I don’t believe Jorge or Andy are on that level either as people or players.”
How long have you known Jorge and Andy?
Chip,
Tell me what you know about what kind of people Posada and Pettitte are to make that statement.
Do you know them? Have you ever had lunch or dinner with them? A conversation?
I’m interested in hearing why you would say they aren’t good people.
I can’t remember another Yankee great about whom so many ill informed comments are made than Jorge Posada.
It is absolutely bizarre. Posada is right there with Dickey and Berra. But too many yankee fans refuse to see it. Their loss for viewing the game so cynically.
And I also really don’t understand all of the hand wringing and worrying about marginal years and money on the contracts the yankees have given out.
Too many yankee fans make statements and have no idea what the teams revenues are, how they’ve grown with the new stadium and how they compare to what other teams generate.
And, maybe I hold the Yankees to a higher standard, but to me it does say something negative about the organization that (unless I’m missing someone) Andy Pettitte is the only player to be named in the Mitchell Report who has been signed to a major league contract since the Report came out.
SJ -
If that’s what Posada’s value was, then so be it and I take back my criticism of Cashman in the contract he signed Jorge to.
I think if you look at it objectively though you (and most rational people) would be forced to conclude that Posada has not been a $15 million a year player at any point during this last contract.
CB,
youre right, it is bizarre. I don’t understand it.
Good thing Jorge does not make $15 million.
And he was well worth his contract last year.
Jorge makes 13 mil, Chip.
In The2009-2010. they are the Core 4 like it or not. They represent the 90′s early 2000s good years. Of course, other than 2008 they made the playoffs every year. They, along with others like O’Neill will have a very special play in Yankees history.
Jeter was Posada’s best man at his wedding. They are best friends.
Along with Mariano, Andy Pettitte is the most respected player in that clubhouse.
Its absurd to me to hear somebody bag on those guys.
You know the thing that separates those four guys from many other players? They are ALL good people, as well as great players.
They are great with the rookies. They served as buffers between the team and management on internal issues.
They teach the younger players how to be professionals.
What more do you want from these guys?
They represent the team on and off the field as well as anybody in the game.
Hard to bag on them, IMO.
What is up with this Jorge hate ? The guy came out of the farm system and has done his job since he came up. I don’t understand why some Yankee fans need to complain and whine about everything.
“And I also really don’t understand all of the hand wringing and worrying about marginal years and money on the contracts the yankees have given out.”
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Exactly. How in any way has Jorge’s contract negatively affected the Yankees?
BTW, I am not sure if you saw it because I did not see you post for the rest of the night, but I responded to your question about Bradley towards the end of that thread.
And in other news:
Our old friend and former team member Ian Kennedy has a chance to do his old pals a favor Tues. by beating Boston.
“Andy Pettitte is the only player to be named in the Mitchell Report who has been signed to a major league contract since the Report came out.”
Giambi, Tejada, Cust, Ryan Franklin didn’t?
Will Jeter earn more than 19 mil per year in his next contract?
How about Mo, more than 15?
2nd inning for Scranton. Golson doubled, moved to 3rd on a ground out
Curtis with an infield RBI single.
4-0 Scranton
Chip
Please ! Lets talk about David Ortiz, Manny Ramirez, Miguel Tejada, and I can go on and on. Their are plenty of guys linked to steroids that have signed contracts with other teams and are still playing.
SJ -
My take on Andy is based solely on opinion, I don’t claim to have ever met the man or spent time with him. That opinion however is based on the way he handled himself surrounding the Mitchell Report.
Are we to believe that his decision to sign the contract that had been on the table for months was based on soul searching or on the fact that he figured it could be yanked the minute his name was made public by George Mitchell? Good faith would have been to call up Cashman and give him a head’s up and trust that he and the organization could have worked through it.
Andy is, to me, a more publically likeable version of Roger Clemens.
Perhaps saying they aren’t “good people” wasn’t the right choice of phrase.
GB-
Thanks Mr. Scully. Has the beast awakened ?
Posada is the most underappreciated player of this era.
Chip
So you don’t like Andy because of the Mitchell Report? Or is that just your way of reaching for something to add to your argument.
If you think he is the only player to sign that was outed you are misguided.
CB,
I don’t understand it. I really don’t.
Look, I’m biased to a degree. I have gotten to know a lot of the Levinson clients over the past few years. Most of them are really good guys. Even Pedroia! lol
Seriously, Jorge and Jose Molina have been great with my nephew.
They took a kid that’s not even in their own organization under their wing and have really helped him.
When he got beaned, there was a text from Posada waiting for him when he got home from the hospital. He told him to call if he needed anything. Jorge was on the DL at the time in NY.
He doesn’t have to do that. That tells me he’s a really good guy. Which he is.
I have been lucky to know a lot of the guys on the team the last 6-7 years for various reasons. Some I only know by saying “hello”. Others, for personal or business reasons, I have more contact with.
I can count on less than one hand the number of guys who weren’t good guys.
None of the Core Four are on that hand. All of them are really good people.
In the world of sports these days, that’s very, very rare.
Jeremy,
Of the guys you listed, I think Tejada is the only one to sign after news of his steroid used was made public.
Ortiz, Manny, Alex, etc…those were contracts handed out before results were made public.
Jack Cust, Ryan Franklin, Tejada, Giambi all signed with other teams after the Mitchell report came out I believe.
Chip -
I have a question for you.
The year Jorge was a free agent – if the Yankees didn’t sign him, who do they sign? There weren’t any prospects anywhere close to being ready to catch on the ML level in the system.
Second question:
If the Yankees didn’t have a catcher and Jorge was a catcher on another team, don’t you think the Yankees would have signed him as a FA that year? He was the best FA catcher on the market at the time, whether he was a re-sign or not. And as such, he had absolutely the right to get the best deal he could. Once the Yankees made the decision that FAs would be dealt with after the season, they become “just another team,” and the player becomes “just another FA.”
Chip
I don’t understand the Andy and Jorge hate. It makes no sense at all.
MaineYankee June 14th, 2010 at 7:48 pm
Chip
So you don?t like Andy because of the Mitchell Report? Or is that just your way of reaching for something to add to your argument.
If you think he is the only player to sign that was outed you are misguided.
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No I don’t like Andy.
Only thing I can say is I am so glad Posada is a Yankee.
If everyone based whether they liked someone or not on an isolated incident then I doubt anybody would like anybody.
Sanchez is perfect after 3 innings, 4 strikeouts. More importantly, 36 pitches, 25 strikes, 2 ground outs, 3 fly outs
Chip
“Are we to believe that his decision to sign the contract that had been on the table for months was based on soul searching or on the fact that he figured it could be yanked the minute his name was made public by George Mitchell? Good faith would have been to call up Cashman and give him a head?s up and trust that he and the organization could have worked through it.”
How do you know how that contract was handled?
The more you travel down this road it becomes clear the motive behind your argument.
It’s based more on your dislike for Andy than on fact.
Doreen -
1. I don’t know who they would have signed, haven’t looked at the list of players available that year. Also don’t know what player they may have traded for if the free agent market was weak.
2. No, I do not think the Yankees would have given a 35/36 year old catcher a 4 year contract worth $45 mil.
Chip,
As far as the Mitchell Report is concerned, that was a glorified witch hunt. Players had lawyers who told them to act a certain way.
Some, IMO, got bad advice.
When I look at how guys handled themselves in this, I think its important to remember one thing…..
You had a guy, Jeff Novitsky (the IRS Agent), who was looking to prosecute baseball players. They had to be VERY careful about what they said to ANYBODY for fear of prosecution.
He wasn’t granting immunity to anybody in this case. Perhaps if he did, he would have learned more than he learned about PED use in the game.
To that end, its pretty tough to have Andy Pettitte give a “heads up” to anybody with the Yankees regarding his testimony. If he did, and Novitsky got wind of it, Yankee executives would have been forced to testify about what Pettitte told them.
My guess is, his lawyers told him to say nothing to anybody until he was under oath.
Which is the proper way to have handled that situation, IMO.
Isn’t this gettiing tedious? Why do people keep defending Posada and Andy to Chip…does it really matter what he thinks?? As long as he is the minority that’s all that matters. Most Yankee fans will always be thankful to the Core Four and when they are gone they will be greatly missed. Anyone that has followed all these guys from the beginning know just how lucky we are to have had them and still have them on our team. Chip isn’t going to change his mind so why not let him believe what he wants and the rest of us believe what we want. Here’s to four of the best…ever …DJ, Mo, Andy & Georgie.
Go Yankees 2010 !!!
Blake-
Are you trying to insinuate that people aren’t perfect again ?
And that in spite of their failings they still might just be worthwhile.
See a Dr. young Man. You have serious problems.
Wasn’t Posada willing to negotiate with the Yankees prior to the 2007 season?
But it is the Yankee policy to let contracts expire.
MTU,
I’ve seen uhm, they can’t help me.
Even with his injuries and age, Posada is well worth what he makes. It’s not even remotely an argument.
The yankees are trying to win World Series every year. They are not attempting to win the title of most financially efficient team in the majors.
There are no rings for financial efficiency.
And when the bar is set as high as it is for the yankees – higher than that of any professional sports team in the U.S. then notions of diminishing returns and efficiency take on entirely different meanings.
The yankees signed AJ Burnett on a five year deal. Without him they don’t win the world series. So on the back end if they had to eat all $18M in year 5 of his deal because he lost velocity, then you know what – big deal. You live with it.
It’s just the cost of doing business. The yankees aren’t a corner drug store.
Nor are they simply wasting money. They are investing it in ways which meet their strategic priorities.
Right now the yankees only spend 51% of revenues on player salaries. That is a comparatively low rate. And that doesn’t even fully account for the revenues generated from YES.
For comparison Boston spends 61% of revenues on player salaries.
The yankees could spend $250M on payroll and not even worry about it if they wanted to.
And people are complaining about some marginal aspect of Posada’s contract?
Blake-
Then you and I are in the same boat.
I could understand if you didn’t like Jorge and Andy if they were not performing but that isn’t the case.
Jeter has long been an ambassador for the Yankees and MLB, just by being who he is, and how he conducts himself both on the field, and off. Congrats to Jeter on the new position. I hope one day Jeter becomes the manager of the Yankees, he has what it takes, he is a great leader, and leads quietly, but can be stern when the situation calls for it.
new post.
Bottom of the 3rd inning. Miranda doubled
Vazquez 2 run homer to left field
Montero with a line drive single to left field
after 3 innings, scranton leads 6-0.
Chip
If you don’t like Andy thats your right. Just don’t distort the facts to mask that fact.
I doubt seriously that Jeter will be a manager of the Yankees. He has more money than he can count. He seemingly has purposely put off marrying and having a family. Why would he want the grind of the travel and day to day problems of being a manager.
Charleston trailing 2-1 after 2 innings. Heathcott single, stolen base, run scored.
Zoilo Almonte with RBI single.
Sean Black, 2 innings, 2 hits, 2 runs, 1 earned run, 1 walk, 3 strikeouts, 1 HRA
After 4 innings, sanchez line is: 4 innings, 2 hits, 1 run, 0 walks, 4 strikeouts, 1 HR, 57 pitches, 37 strikes 3 ground outs, 5 fly outs. 6-1 scranton.
Wow.The Yankees and MLB so wants Jeter to be the Michael Jordan of this sport.
But Jeter isn’t even the top ten player of he’s own generation not even as a hitter.Jeter has accomplished more baseball status and popularity by not being even the best person in he’s position right now or the last ten years.
Jordan,Peyton Manning,Wayne Gretzky,Ruth and Ali had to be the best of there sport to be popluar.Jeter in this day and age of media is so big that you don’t have to be great to be super popluar(i.e. Sharapova,Yao Ming,Beckham,Vince Carter,Michelle Wie)
EndLessMikeJr June 14th, 2010 at 8:32 pm
If you don’t think Jeter has been in the top ten at his position, you are a very ignorant person, that knows nothing about baseball. Jeter is the person that past Yankees great Lou Gehrig for hits by a Yankee. He is on pace to pass 3,000 hits, and with good health, could pass Pete Rose. Jeter owns so many records, and has been such a great SS, it makes me wonder, if you are that stupid, or just a troll that can’t stand Yankee greatness!