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Report: Culver has reached agreement

Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Misc on Jun 16, 2010 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

According to Kevin Levine-Flandrup, covering the draft for Pinstripes Plus, the Yankees have reached an agreement with first-round pick Cito Culver. Levine-Flandrup sites a source he spoke to this morning who says the deal is done pending a physical and Culver’s graduation.

In minor league news a little closer to New York, after outfielder David Winfree was released last night, the Scranton/Wilkes-Barre Yankees sent infielder Matt Cusick to Trenton, apparently to open a spot for a minor league free agent.

Can’t help wondering how much longer it will be before Scranton makes another move, sending a player to New York to replace Chad Moeller.

 
 

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220 Responses to “Report: Culver has reached agreement”

  1. EvoLuTioN June 16th, 2010 at 1:36 pm

    sweeeeeeeeet

  2. Chip June 16th, 2010 at 1:37 pm

    Can?t help wondering how much longer it will be before Scranton makes another move, sending a player to New York to replace Chad Moeller.

    Yankees are going to be very careful with Moeller. If they send him out, they’re going to lose him and that would leave the club with Rene Rivera as the only option if Posada gets hurt again.

    With Moeller here, Girardi has the option of DHing Posada a lot more often than if he only had Cervelli.

    Also, it’s not like someone is banging down the door in Scranton to warrant at bats right now in the majors.

  3. Jerkface June 16th, 2010 at 1:38 pm

    Kevin is on the draft ball, its a shame he got stolen away from ole NoMaas, reading his stuff for free was the highlight of the draft last few years even if he does overrated the draftees.

    Also if the yankees traded for Hart it wouldn’t be to replace Gardner, DH + Bench I think.

  4. G. Love June 16th, 2010 at 1:40 pm

    (repost)

    This still can’t be the Melky vs. Brett brigade trying to put down Gardner in here can it?

    Melky Cabrera on his best day never approached or possessed the kind of offensive success that Gardner can.

    Brett doesn’t take days off. He plays hard every game and when he reaches base (which is 40% of the time right now) he changes the game.

    This is what you trade for, not what you trade.

    You want all your little homegrown biscuits to make it up to the big team some day? Then you want Gardner to continue to have success.

    What he’s doing, along with Cano, Cervelli, Hughes, etc. is making the Yankees think twice about going outside the organization to fill holes.

    Something Melky never did. They were always looking to better deal themselves out of him and tried to sell high on him early on to get Mike Gonzalez, a LH reliever.

  5. Bronx Born June 16th, 2010 at 1:42 pm

    Bronx Jeers – it was Annie Hall, right?

  6. Jerkface June 16th, 2010 at 1:43 pm

    Cory Hart would be a good get. Right handed power. Plays OF. Can steal bases. In his prime.
    You could spell Swisher, Gardner, and Granderson with him and give him time at DH.

    Gardner in CF Hart in LF Swish in RF
    Granderson in CF Hart in LF Swish in RF
    Granderson in CF Gardner in LF Hart in RF
    Granderson in CF Gardner in LF Hart in DH Swish in RF

  7. Shame Spencer June 16th, 2010 at 1:43 pm

    Ok stuckey, I get your point, but if I’m not the only person that has made such matters public am I still such a villain? Because I assure you I don’t spend my time dreaming up scenarios for why players who should have been Yankees for their entire career were not. If you feel I made this up, fine. If you feel those that have told me this is true are the ones that have made it up, again, fine. You are entitled to your opinion and I am to mine and I won’t simply not share it because you’re concerned with Andy’s public image.

    I personally could care less what Andy does with his personal life. If Mike Tyson played for our team I wouldn’t care as long as he was contributing to winning games. I’m not so enamored by players and their personal lives that I won’t root for them or wish them ill will over it. People were attacking Chip for his dislike of Andy Pettite the person, so I listed the ways he may have demonstrated poor judgment to make the point that just because we like him as a Yankee doesn’t mean he’s a saint. People jumped all over it, and that’s ok too. I have no issues with people doubting or choosing not to believe it. But it has been discussed, both privately and in the public forum, and I see no instance where I am solely responsible for propagating such unwarranted/untrue rumors.

  8. Patrick June 16th, 2010 at 1:46 pm

    Hart would be a good player to get but not to replace Brett Gardner. Like Jerkface says – he’d be good as a DH and 4th outfielder.

    Why would the Brewers trade him though?

  9. Erica in NY June 16th, 2010 at 1:48 pm

    Is it actually GTLU time??

    Doreen………………………..?

  10. Patrick June 16th, 2010 at 1:48 pm

    That’s good news about Culver. I’m assuming he’s signing for slot but maybe the Yanks will be generous and give him higher

  11. Shame Spencer June 16th, 2010 at 1:48 pm

    Also, sorry for the double post, but I just have to point out that talk on this blog of Alex Rodriguez’s personal life has gone ABOVE and BEYOND assumed accusations. I just think people have a problem when you bring any of the core four into it, because I doubt stuckey that you were just as holier-than-thou when people chose to discuss his personal affairs.

  12. Chip June 16th, 2010 at 1:50 pm

    Patrick June 16th, 2010 at 1:46 pm
    Hart would be a good player to get but not to replace Brett Gardner. Like Jerkface says ? he?d be good as a DH and 4th outfielder.

    Why would the Brewers trade him though?
    ———————

    1. They are supposedly deep with OF prospects, I don’t know anything about their farm system so I’m taking the word of Baseball America on that

    2. They are in dire need of pitching

    3. Free up some salary for Prince.

  13. Jerkface June 16th, 2010 at 1:56 pm

    Cory Hart is 2 years away from FA and is already making 4.8 mil in arbitration. His expenses will soon outweigh his usefulness. He got 4.8 million in Arb and he had a .700 OPS

  14. upstate kate June 16th, 2010 at 1:57 pm

    what a great couple of weeks for Culver! 1st in the Yankee draft, senior prom, graduation, signing w/ the Yankees…

  15. Patrick June 16th, 2010 at 1:58 pm

    Chip,

    Those are pretty good reasons. I wonder if Hart would be available at the deadline… I don’t think the Brewers are for real this year.

  16. Ron June 16th, 2010 at 1:59 pm

    Culver will be sent to AAA ball already?

  17. JoeyA June 16th, 2010 at 2:00 pm

    any info on Jon Weber?

  18. Wave Your Hat June 16th, 2010 at 2:00 pm

    The Brewers aren’t going to trade Hart. He’s part of the solution for them. The Brewers don’t need to free up money, their payroll is only $90MM and they will be out from under the $20MM in contracts to Suppan and Hoffman next year. They only have $25MM committed to 2011 currently.

  19. Joe from Long Island June 16th, 2010 at 2:01 pm

    I wonder who the new Scranton 3B is. Matt Cusick must be depressed – hit and play well, get demoted.

  20. Jerkface June 16th, 2010 at 2:01 pm

    Those are pretty good reasons. I wonder if Hart would be available at the deadline? I don?t think the Brewers are for real this year.

    The brewers, who are 8 games out and 9 games under .500 are not for real? No way!
    (thats why they are sellers)

  21. OddJob June 16th, 2010 at 2:02 pm

    Gunga…gungagunggalunga….thats what he said.

  22. champ809 June 16th, 2010 at 2:02 pm

    champ809 June 16th, 2010 at 2:01 pm
    Guys make this mistake all the time!

    “the better player because he hits more homers…”

    Corey Hart hits for more power than Gardner but I don’t believe he’s a better all around player add to that the fact that Hart will be looking for a few mil a yr if not more as a 20/20 OF’er so I’d much rather have Gardner at this point….

    Crawford is Brett Gardner on steroids in that he offers the same speed game/ a slight uptick in defense as well as power particularly hitting in YS and has an extensive track record that makes him more of a certainty at this point than Gardner to project. The decision that Ca$h and the Yanks have to make is whether that is worth the 50-60mil difference that the 2 players would cost over the next 5 years….

  23. Erica in NY June 16th, 2010 at 2:03 pm

    I am just going to post my line up. Doreen, this one is for you!

    Jeter SS
    Swisher RF
    Tex 1B
    A-Rod 3B
    Cano 2B
    Posada C
    Granderson CF
    Thames DH
    GGBG LF

  24. Jerkface June 16th, 2010 at 2:03 pm

    The Brewers aren?t going to trade Hart.

    That might be the case, but the reason it should be discussed is because Hart has come up as a possible trade target for teams on MLB Home Plate XM and MLB Network in the past couple of weeks.

  25. Patrick June 16th, 2010 at 2:03 pm

    The brewers, who are 8 games out and 9 games under .500 are not for real? No way!
    (thats why they are sellers)

    Ouch I just got owned

  26. Patrick June 16th, 2010 at 2:05 pm

    I think the Yankees should trade for Carlos Beltran :)

  27. Jay June 16th, 2010 at 2:06 pm

    Phelps and Nova for Hart

  28. champ809 June 16th, 2010 at 2:07 pm

    I think the Brewers are definitely considering trading Hart….particularly if they can get back a young mid rotation type starter type..

    Hart will make between 7-9mil next year in arb….

  29. Wave Your Hat June 16th, 2010 at 2:08 pm

    jerkface-

    If the Yanks could get Hart they should, he would be a perfect DH and platoon partner for Granderson.

    That said, (a) I don’t think the Brewers will trade Hart for the reasons I said earlier, and (b) his name has come up in trade rumors for Lee and at that level of trade the Yanks won’t be buyers.

    My conclusion is no Hart to here.

  30. champ809 June 16th, 2010 at 2:09 pm

    Phelps and Nova for Hart to me is kinda much…..if he keeps it up Phelps will be very high on a lot of GM’s lists come the trade deadline…

    Nova could probably be in most NL ro’s right now pitching effectively

  31. Giuseppe Franco June 16th, 2010 at 2:10 pm

    The Yanks have no intention of platooning Granderson.

  32. Jerkface June 16th, 2010 at 2:11 pm

    I’d look to dump Z-Mac and Nova before I let Phelps go. He has been destroying AA.

  33. Dallas Braden June 16th, 2010 at 2:11 pm

    Thames is on the DL, Erica in NY

  34. becca June 16th, 2010 at 2:12 pm

    “All I know is that a few nights ago I was reading how Ichiro would be playing outfield for us, yet a big league player who makes more money than I’ll see in my life having a mistress is so unbelievable to you folks?” (referring to Pettitte)

    No, the issue was that someone (not sure if it was you) said that the supposed affair was the single reason the Yankees didn’t re-sign him after 2003. That is what’s pretty incredible to me. Plus, if that was the real reason why the Yankees didn’t show that much interest, why’d they re-sign him for 2007 and every year after?

  35. Patrick June 16th, 2010 at 2:12 pm

    The Yanks have no intention of platooning Granderson.

    Initially you’re right they didn’t. But if CG’s futility against lefties continues the Yanks will kind of be forced to platoon him. Or at least bench him against tough lefties.

  36. champ809 June 16th, 2010 at 2:12 pm

    The new Scranton 3B is Jorge Vazquez who will play at the corners and DH but will play alot of 3B…

  37. I Like Inge June 16th, 2010 at 2:14 pm

    Granderson a platoon player? He is the team’s best outfielder. That’s not happening.

  38. MTU (aka GBURL) June 16th, 2010 at 2:15 pm

    Champ-

    seems like an odd move when you consider they could just have moved Laird up to AAA to play 3rd instead of Vasquez.

  39. CountryClub June 16th, 2010 at 2:15 pm

    SJ44 & GB7,

    I’m an hour late in my response, but I had to step away. I understand what you guys are saying, I know that you werent talking about a permanent bullpen move. I just dont think they’ll move him to the pen unless they’re sure he’s not going to be a starter down the road. And him building innings will be a big factor too. I think he can throw around 150 this year. Which would put him at 180+ next yr. And then he’d have no restrictions for 2012.

    To be clear, I wouldnt be against them doing it. But I dont think they want to open the same can of worms they did with Joba. And, despite what a lot of fans think, I believe that Joba’s starter days are behind him.

  40. YankeeRay June 16th, 2010 at 2:15 pm

    Erica, Thames in on the DL

    Jeter SS
    Swisher DH
    Tex 1B
    Arod 3B
    Cano 2B
    Posada C
    Granderson CF
    Huffman RF
    Gardner LF

  41. Erica in NY June 16th, 2010 at 2:16 pm

    Dallas Braden June 16th, 2010 at 2:11 pm
    Thames is on the DL, Erica in NY
    *******

    LOL… I totally forgot about that.

    Shows how little consideration I give to him. I will resubmit my line up

  42. Chip June 16th, 2010 at 2:16 pm

    champ809 June 16th, 2010 at 2:09 pm
    Phelps and Nova for Hart to me is kinda much?..if he keeps it up Phelps will be very high on a lot of GM?s lists come the trade deadline?
    ———————

    Really?

    I think Melvin hangs up on the Yankees if they make that offer.

    To get Hart I think you’re talking: Nova, Melancon and one of the young catchers (not Romine or Montero)

  43. Warning Track Power June 16th, 2010 at 2:17 pm

    Jeter-SS
    Swisher-RF
    Tex-1B
    ARod-DH
    Cano-2B
    Posada-C
    Granderson-CF
    Pena-3B
    Russo-LF

  44. Erica in NY June 16th, 2010 at 2:17 pm

    Doreen-

    Having been informed that Thames is on the DL (totally slipped my mind), here is my revised line up:

    Jeter SS
    Swisher DH
    Tex 1B
    Arod 3B
    Cano 2B
    Posada C
    Granderson CF
    Huffman RF
    Gardner LF

  45. Giuseppe Franco June 16th, 2010 at 2:18 pm

    # Patrick June 16th, 2010 at 2:12 pm

    Initially you’re right they didn’t. But if CG’s futility against lefties continues the Yanks will kind of be forced to platoon him. Or at least bench him against tough lefties.

    —————

    Don’t be so sure about that. They didn’t trade for him to platoon him.

    He’s been working with Long and he is getting better in that area. But he missed a month of the season and needs time to continue to progress.

    Don’t simply look at his average. Look at his ABs against them. He’s getting better.

    The Yanks aren’t even close to the idea of platooning him. So finding a RH platoon partner for him is a moot point.

  46. Wave Your Hat June 16th, 2010 at 2:19 pm

    “The Yanks have no intention of platooning Granderson.”

    They will. The road to the World Series trophy runs through some very good left handed pitching.

  47. Patrick June 16th, 2010 at 2:19 pm

    Granderson a platoon player? He is the team’s best outfielder. That’s not happening.

    Granderson
    .585 OPS vs LHP
    .886 OPS vs RHP

    Gardner
    .790 OPS vs LHP
    .864 OPS vs RHP

    Swisher
    .965 OPS vs LHP
    .816 OPS vs RHP

    This doens’t tell the whole story but it’s a useful snapshot

  48. Bronx Jeers June 16th, 2010 at 2:20 pm

    Pat & Bronx Born.

    Annie Hall it is.

    Speaking of high school graduation, does anybody else have dreams that they have to back and finish something?

    I frequently dream that I have to take a bunch of exams that of course I’m not prepared for. Sometimes I have to take re-take gym class.

  49. YanksfaninPA June 16th, 2010 at 2:20 pm

    GTLU

    Jeter SS
    Swisher RF
    Tex 1B’
    AROD DH
    Cano 2B
    Posada C
    Grandy CF
    Russo LF
    Pena 3B

  50. Patrick June 16th, 2010 at 2:21 pm

    GF,

    You say the Yankees aren’t even close to the idea of platooning him. How do you know?

    His performance thus far would indicate that he’s as bad as ever vs LHP. If the Yanks want to win they can’t have a complete black hole starting against every LHP. It pains me to say it because I’ve always liked Granderson and I love him on the Yankees but it might soon become a necessity to bench him against LHP.

  51. Jerkface June 16th, 2010 at 2:22 pm

    I have hope that Granderson will get better. He has some success against lefties this season. he got torched by Cecil, Price , Wandy, Gio, and a slew of LH Relievers.

    But he has done well against some lefties (starters and RP). I wonder if there is something common to where he has success and doesn’t.

  52. Chip June 16th, 2010 at 2:23 pm

    Patrick June 16th, 2010 at 2:21 pm
    GF,

    You say the Yankees aren?t even close to the idea of platooning him. How do you know?
    —————-

    Maybe he has “sources” like SJ44

  53. Wave Your Hat June 16th, 2010 at 2:23 pm

    Granderson’s splits vs LHP:

    Career vs LHP: .209/ .268/ .344/ .612
    2010 vs LHP: .200/.245/.340/.585

    See a pattern? I think the Yanks will platoon him.

  54. stuckey June 16th, 2010 at 2:25 pm

    “Ok stuckey, I get your point, but if I’m not the only person that has made such matters public am I still such a villain? ”

    Are you REALLY going with “but mommy, he did it too” defense?

    “If you feel I made this up, fine. If you feel those that have told me this is true are the ones that have made it up, again, fine.”

    I don’t feel either. I KNOW this is an sorted accusation that can’t be verified. Exactly how long the telephone game chain is and who or who does not genuinely believe it is beside the point.

    “You are entitled to your opinion and I am to mine and I won’t simply not share it because you’re concerned with Andy’s public image.”

    You’re not understanding. I’m not concerned with Pettitte’s public image, I’m concerned with EVERYONE’s, including yours, which I’m criticizing, because I’m CERTAIN you did what I’m accusing you of.

    You can’t say the same for Pettitte.

    “I have no issues with people doubting or choosing not to believe it.”

    Yes, you do, because you outright accused anyone who choose not to accept the accusation as being naive.

    “But it has been discussed, both privately and in the public forum, and I see no instance where I am solely responsible for propagating such unwarranted/untrue rumors.”

    No one said you were “solely” responsible.

    That you obvious feel you’re not accountable because you aren’t the only one is a very clear example of the lack moral character so prevelant in public discourse.

  55. stuckey June 16th, 2010 at 2:26 pm

    “See a pattern? I think the Yanks will platoon him.”

    You WANT the Yankees to platoon him, you mean.

  56. Giuseppe Franco June 16th, 2010 at 2:26 pm

    You say the Yankees aren’t even close to the idea of platooning him. How do you know?

    His performance thus far would indicate that he’s as bad as ever vs LHP. If the Yanks want to win they can’t have a complete black hole starting against every LHP. It pains me to say it because I’ve always liked Granderson and I love him on the Yankees but it might soon become a necessity to bench him against LHP.

    ———–

    Like I said, they traded for him to be their everyday CF. They didn’t trade for him to platoon him. That’s how I know. Common sense.

    How do you know they are looking for a platoon partner? You don’t. It’s all speculation on your part. They haven’t sat him against lefties at all so your argument isn’t based on any evidence.

  57. Patrick June 16th, 2010 at 2:26 pm

    Chip,

    Just to let you know I wasn’t trying to insult you when saying you were a troll. It was more of a compliment by saying that you are this mastermind troll drawing everyone into your vortex.

    I think you have a lot of absurdly insane ideas but at least you drive conversation around here :)

  58. Yanks 75 June 16th, 2010 at 2:27 pm

    Granderson has shown no indication that he will improve on his morbid career numbers vs. lefties here. He is what he is.

    If they don’t platoon him, they are limiting themselves. Now, they need to get a worthy platoon partner to make it happen, but it is the right move based on the numbers.

  59. Wave Your Hat June 16th, 2010 at 2:27 pm

    “No one said you were “solely” responsible. ”

    Actually, Shame Spencer was, I believe, solely responsible for first raising the subject on this blog today.

  60. jack lv nv June 16th, 2010 at 2:27 pm

    gtlu- JETER 6
    SWISHER 9
    TEX 3
    AROD 5
    CANO 4
    POSADA DH
    GRANDERSON 8
    CERVELLI 2
    GARDNER 7

  61. Giuseppe Franco June 16th, 2010 at 2:28 pm

    # Chip June 16th, 2010 at 2:23 pm

    Maybe he has “sources” like SJ44

    ————-

    It’s called common sense. Something you obviously lack with all of your insane arguments and bird-brained trade proposals.

  62. Dodge June 16th, 2010 at 2:28 pm

    Perhaps they traded for him with the idea that K-Long could make him useful against lefties, considering the magic he has worked with other players.

    Not the case so far.

  63. upstate kate June 16th, 2010 at 2:28 pm

    GTLU
    SS Jeet
    RF Swish
    1B Tex
    3B Alex
    2B Robbie
    DH Po
    CF Grandy
    C Cisco
    LF GGBG

    thanks Doreen

  64. Patrick from CT June 16th, 2010 at 2:28 pm

    Jeter-ss
    Swish-rf
    Tex-1b
    Arod-dh
    Cano-2b
    Posada-c
    Granderson-cf
    Russo-3b
    Gardner-lf

  65. Chip June 16th, 2010 at 2:29 pm

    Patrick June 16th, 2010 at 2:26 pm
    Chip,

    Just to let you know I wasn?t trying to insult you when saying you were a troll. It was more of a compliment by saying that you are this mastermind troll drawing everyone into your vortex.

    I think you have a lot of absurdly insane ideas but at least you drive conversation around here
    —————–

    IMO there is nothing fun about a board like this if we all agree all the time. That said, just so you know, if I’m ever voicing an opinion or defending a stance that I don’t believe in I generally preface it by saying that I’m playing Devil’s Advocate.

  66. Chip June 16th, 2010 at 2:30 pm

    Giuseppe Franco June 16th, 2010 at 2:28 pm
    # Chip June 16th, 2010 at 2:23 pm

    Maybe he has “sources” like SJ44

    ????-

    It?s called common sense. Something you obviously lack with all of your insane arguments and bird-brained trade proposals.
    ——————

    Easy pal,

    I was actually taking your side.

  67. Patrick June 16th, 2010 at 2:30 pm

    Like I said, they traded for him to be their everyday CF. They didn’t trade for him to platoon him. That’s how I know. Common sense.

    How do you know they are looking for a platoon partner? You don’t. It’s all speculation on your part. They haven’t sat him against lefties at all so your argument isn’t based on any evidence.

    Don’t get defensive, I’m just trying to have a discussion.

    The Yankees signed Kei Igawa to be their 5th starter. They didn’t sign him to be the Cy Young of AAA. See my point? Just because the team spends resources getting a player doesn’t mean the player will fill the spot they have in mind.

    The Yanks thought Granderson would benefit from Kevin Long and he might yet. But so far he’s hit lefties just about as poorly as he has his entire career.

    It’s not really wild speculation to say that the Yanks aren’t going to play a sub-600 OPS player against every left handed starter. I think it is pretty common sense to bench a guy that plays that poorly.

  68. Wave Your Hat June 16th, 2010 at 2:30 pm

    “See a pattern? I think the Yanks will platoon him.”

    You WANT the Yankees to platoon him, you mean.”

    No, I mean he is hitting the same against lefties this year as he has done his entire career, and that level is sufficiently low as to make me think the Yanks will platoon him, especially given the kind of lefties our likely post-season opponents will have.

    I’m sure at some level my beliefs and wants are closely intertwined, but I don’t think that’s exactly breaking news as to the human condition.

  69. RL15 June 16th, 2010 at 2:31 pm

    Doreen,

    Mot sure if we are playing today, but I had some time.

    Jetes SS
    Swish RF
    Tex 1B
    AROD DH
    MVP 2B
    Jorgie C
    Grandy CF
    GGBG LF
    Pena 3B

    Thank you.

  70. Erica in NY June 16th, 2010 at 2:32 pm

    Bronx Jeers June 16th, 2010 at 2:20 pm
    Pat & Bronx Born.

    Annie Hall it is.

    Speaking of high school graduation, does anybody else have dreams that they have to back and finish something?

    I frequently dream that I have to take a bunch of exams that of course I?m not prepared for. Sometimes I have to take re-take gym class.
    ***************

    Its a common anxiety dream

    I always dream that I am taking a class that I never go to and there is a paper due and I don’t know what to write the paper on

  71. ML June 16th, 2010 at 2:32 pm

    Granderson’s been better vs lefties since getting off the DL. The team will give him a LOT of rope before regularly sitting him vs lefties.

  72. Jon K June 16th, 2010 at 2:33 pm

    If they don’t platoon him, then frankly, it is because of ego. Cashman doesn’t want the perception to be that he traded for a platoon player, even if the numbers indicate that is the case. Nor do they want to do that to Granderson when he has been an everyday player before (though on a 2nd tier team, not a championship caliber team like the Yankees).

  73. champ809 June 16th, 2010 at 2:33 pm

    Chip

    you’re out of your mind with that package…Hart is not an elite player I don’t care how many HRs he’s hit this year…

    Phelps/Melancon and Romine Ca$h wouldn’t take his calls after that request…

    and please! Montero?!?!?! no GM in ball would even trade Montero straightup for Hart!

    As far as Vazquez over Laird Vazquez’ bat is ML ready now he’s 27 and played in the Mex proleagues for like 8 yrs….he’s ahead of Laird development wise and could be the regular DH in the Bronx come August….makes all the sense in the world to get him some work in the field as well as abs to get him ready for his promotion…

  74. Patrick from CT June 16th, 2010 at 2:36 pm

    Granderson is not going to be platoon unless the Yankees find a RH hitting OF that plays good defence and can really hit lefties. Thames can hit but he can’t catch. Russo seems to be able to catch but not hit. I have my doubts the latest call up gets much playing time.

  75. Bad Scooter June 16th, 2010 at 2:36 pm

    The panic over Granderson and whether to platoon him or not because he hits lefties at a .200 clip is so overblown. We’re not losing games because Curtis can’t hit lefties. This day and age how many AB’s is he going to get against a LH starter until that team goes to the bullpen anyhow. 2 or 3? Big deal. He’ll help the team in other ways and still get some hits against lefties. Does Girardi pinch hit for him when he starts against a RH and the other team goes to a lefty? Not sure it’s happened at all this year, maybe once. Granderson is fine playing everyday and that’s with him hitting .210 against lefties.

  76. Shame Spencer June 16th, 2010 at 2:37 pm

    stuckey June 16th, 2010 at 2:25 pm

    Are you REALLY going with “but mommy, he did it too” defense?

    —————-

    Seeing as how everyone has gotten so up in arms over it, yes. Yes I am :)

    I can’t substantiate something I was told in person. I don’t care that no one believes it (although I guess me saying this would mean I do? Is that the accusation you were making last time?). I was saying it in a totally unrelated way to how the conversation evolved, and don’t care that everyone got mad. Sorry for passing along information I thought was more well known. My apologies, as I really did believe this was a more well known tidbit of Yankees history.

    I have an awfully low moral standard, clearly, and am a terrible person for speculating on the lives of public figures. I have no problem with you thinking this of me.

    And this: “Yes, you do, because you outright accused anyone who choose not to accept the accusation as being naive.” I never did. I was just making a joke (a comparison of the things said here that don’t seem far fetched to the things that do), again, sorry you have been so offended by my posts.

  77. Patrick June 16th, 2010 at 2:37 pm

    Patrick from CT,

    Yup you’re right. They’ll give CG some more time to figure it out vs lefties. In the meantime they’ll be looking at trades for right-handed OF’s.

  78. Jason22 June 16th, 2010 at 2:37 pm

    The grass is greener crowd never ceases to amaze me.

    If you found out you could get a cost controlled left fielder who plays above average defense, gets on base, steals bases, and has improved in every aspect as a hitter, except for bunting at this point of the season, everyone would be begging for the Yankees to trade for him.

    People be happy, the Yankees developed Gardner, he is not going to regress, this is what he showed in the minors, he is good, he made changes with his swing, he is even better now, get used to it, and be happy.

    Swisher is the same deal, Cashman stole him, he played well last year, to his #s, then this offseason he made changes to his swing, he is a much better hitter now, he just looks it, he is going to be a big part of this team for a while, be happy Yankee fans.

    Granderson has not even begun to show all his talent, he is an extra bases machine, once he gets locked in, the fans will love him even more. He has holes in his swing, if he takes to the coaching as Nick and Brett have, he could become a special player, but what he is now is a very good one.

    The Yankees don’t need Crawford, Werth, or any other outfielder, be happy Yankee fans, for years we have been waiting for a cost controlled dynamic outfield, we have it now, the grass is not greener outside of the Bronx.

  79. champ809 June 16th, 2010 at 2:38 pm

    GTLU

    Jetes SS
    Swish RF
    Tex 1B
    AROD DH
    MVP 2B
    Jorgie C
    Grandy CF
    Gardy LF
    Pena 3B

    Burnett SP

  80. MTU (aka GBURL) June 16th, 2010 at 2:38 pm

    Champ-

    Don’t want to get into a long debate with you about JV vs. Laird but I hope you are not saying that JV is a better Ball player than Laird especially when it comes to playing 3rd because if you are we’ll just have to agree to disagree on that one.

  81. SJ44 June 16th, 2010 at 2:39 pm

    They will sit Granderson against certain tough lefties, like they did Tino and O’Neill in the past.

    A straight platoon? That’s not going to happen.

  82. stuckey June 16th, 2010 at 2:39 pm

    Yankees are 28-10 in games Curtis Granderson has started.

    Now there is no denying he has struggled against lefties, but the 28-10 is the more important number.

    The Yankees, unlike fans who micro-analysis roster spots and see players only as collection of stats, understand how you build a clubhouse is as important as how you build a line-up.

    Granderson is he starting CF, and has been a positive influence on this team. He’s young, relatively cost-effective and in the his first of what could be several years with the team.

    Yankees aren’t going to regulate him to platoon status to fix a “problem” that hasn’t even manifested itself.

    They also believe in Kevin Long and are rightfully taking a long-term approach to Granderson.

    Because they understand their players are people, and there IS such a thing as chemistry, and the season is not a videogame season.

    Move on people.

  83. Chip June 16th, 2010 at 2:39 pm

    champ809 June 16th, 2010 at 2:33 pm
    Chip

    you?re out of your mind with that package?Hart is not an elite player I don?t care how many HRs he?s hit this year?

    Phelps/Melancon and Romine Ca$h wouldn?t take his calls after that request?

    and please! Montero?!?!?! no GM in ball would even trade Montero straightup for Hart!
    ——————————–

    Ok, first of all – scroll back up and read what I wrote again: I said a young catcher but also said not Romine or Montero, that means Higashowa (sp), Murphy, or Pena

    I think a Phelps, Melancon, Higashowa, Nova offer for Hart is a fair deal considering:

    1. The catcher is only in low A
    2. Phelps is still pretty far away
    3. Melancon hasn’t shown ability in the majors
    4. Nova, the most ML ready guy, is probably a back of the rotation starter on a good team.

  84. Giuseppe Franco June 16th, 2010 at 2:40 pm

    The Yankees signed Kei Igawa to be their 5th starter. They didn’t sign him to be the Cy Young of AAA. See my point? Just because the team spends resources getting a player doesn’t mean the player will fill the spot they have in mind.

    The Yanks thought Granderson would benefit from Kevin Long and he might yet. But so far he’s hit lefties just about as poorly as he has his entire career.

    —————

    You can’t compare Igawa to Granderson. One of these guys made the All Star team last year and has been a really good player in the bigs.

    Igawa never threw a pitch in the bigs before they signed him. Apples and hand grenades.

    You also have to remember that Granderson missed a month of the season. It’s only the middle of June.

    Granderson has kept his shoulder in a lot better this season against lefties. He’s not flying open like he did consistently in the past. The results aren’t there yet but he does have better ABs against them. He’s had some bad luck.

    It’s not all about batting average and pure numbers. They don’t tell the entire story.

    I simply think it’s unrealistic to think they are going to platoon him anytime soon, if ever. They’ve got a whole lot more work to do with him before they come to that decision.

  85. Chip June 16th, 2010 at 2:41 pm

    For those suggesting Granderson sit against lefties (tough or other) who would you suggest plays for him? Kevin Russo?

  86. Fran (the original) June 16th, 2010 at 2:42 pm

    Doreen,

    If we are playing, here is my line-up

    Derek SS
    Swisher RF
    Tex 1B
    ARod 3B
    Robbie 2B
    Jorge DH
    Cisco C
    Granderson CF
    Gardner LF

    Thanks :)

  87. Patrick June 16th, 2010 at 2:42 pm

    Yankees are 28-10 in games Curtis Granderson has started.

    Now there is no denying he has struggled against lefties, but the 28-10 is the more important number.

    Correlation does not imply causality.

  88. SJ44 June 16th, 2010 at 2:44 pm

    A 4 for 1 deal for a DH? Three of them pitchers, further weakening the system?

    Thank God you are only a GM on the Internet.

  89. I Like Inge June 16th, 2010 at 2:44 pm

    It’s kind of hard to get on Granderson when he plays very good defense, and in the last week has wrecked a game with a grand slam, and hit a bomb of Roy Halladay.

  90. Chip June 16th, 2010 at 2:45 pm

    SJ,

    Actually Phelps was an error on my part – I was thinking David Adams.

    Thank you for pointing it out to me…much appreciated

  91. SJ44 June 16th, 2010 at 2:46 pm

    Nor does Granderson’s struggles against lefties means the Yankees are in trouble and need to platoon him.

  92. stuckey June 16th, 2010 at 2:46 pm

    “Correlation does not imply causality.”

    Problems that don’t exist, don’t exist.

    The overriding factor is he WAS acquired to be the everyday CF.

    Until evidence presents itself that plan is negatively impacting the Yankees, why would they change it?

  93. Patrick June 16th, 2010 at 2:47 pm

    Chip,

    Trade for someone. Let him try to work it out in the meantime.

    GF,

    Ok well how about Brett Gardner 2009. The Yanks made him the starter, he didn’t perform up to expectations so Melky took his place.

    Or how about Damaso Marte? They got him to be the 8th inning guy, he failed so now he’s a lefty specialist.

    My point is that just because the team plans for a player to fill one role doesn’t mean he will. There are plenty of examples of when the Yanks put a player in a position, he does poorly and they have to change his role. And Granderson is clearly doing poorly against lefties.

    I am not saying they should start platooning him today. You’re right, he deserves more time to prove himself. But it’s not looking very likely that he’s going to improve vs lefties.

  94. Patrick from CT June 16th, 2010 at 2:48 pm

    As far as KLong helping Granderson hit lefties, I’d look for a Swish type makeover this off season. The guys in the booth were commenting about all the movement in Granderson’s aproach. Swish has had good results quieting this down; Granderson may be next on KLong’s off season todo list.

  95. Chip June 16th, 2010 at 2:48 pm

    Also, I don’t view Hart as a DH. I view him as an overall upgrade over Gardner. As I said, to me, he’s a younger, cheaper Jayson Werth.

  96. Patrick June 16th, 2010 at 2:49 pm

    I’m a little shocked that you all are ok with a guy starting vs lefties when he only has .585 OPS against them. And that’s not even far off from his career numbers.

  97. vblade June 16th, 2010 at 2:50 pm

    Why does everyone keep on insisting on upgrading a player that isn’t even struggling (and giving up prospects and money to do so), allocating resources that would be better used fulfilling other actual needs?

  98. RayVT June 16th, 2010 at 2:51 pm

    SS Derek Jeter
    RF Nick Swisher
    1B Mark Teixeira
    DH Alex Rodriguez
    2B Robinson Cano
    C Jorge Posada
    CF Curtis Granderson
    LF Brett Gardner
    3B Kevin Russo

    My Guess Doreen! Thanks!

  99. BIG AL June 16th, 2010 at 2:51 pm

    The best move for the Yankees would be to trade for Paul Konerko as a DH, and days off for Tex. Konerko’s offense would put us over the top.

  100. Jerkface June 16th, 2010 at 2:52 pm

    Granderson has been very good since coming back from the DL but it hasn’t really been against lefties.

    he is 1 for 3 with a HR against Matusz, 0 for 10 against Cecil, Wandy, Ohman, Castillo, 0 for 4 against Byrdak, Chacin, Wesly, Ohman, and 4 for 5 against Sipp, Perez and rommie lewis, Hendrickson wit ha walk. Thats 5 for 22 with a walk, 2 doubles, and a HR.

    .227 AVG

  101. champ809 June 16th, 2010 at 2:52 pm

    Hart

    is not a guy who commands a 4 for 1 is the point buddy…..he was terrible last year and if the Brewers move him now it’s to dump is salary commitments….

    also on of the Brewers top prospects is Angel Salome a C so I think they really want the pitching….

    I’m sure they would want Melancon and Nova and Phelps as all 3 would be on their ML team next season for sure but that is way too Much for Corey Hart homie!

    MTU

    Vazquez is ML ready where as Laird is in his first six weeks at AA…..is it that hard to understand? They don’t need to get an ML ready 3b because ARod is there but they need an ML power bat to DH and Vazquez could probably do that beginning tonight. He just got back from and injury 2 weeks ago and needs abs and needed a way to be added to the 40 man which Winfree’s release created….I’ll bet you my life’s savings that barring injury Vaz gets to the big club before Laird!

    BTW I wasn’t trying to start with you I was just answering your question….Laird is killing AA but should probably play the whole season there actually.

  102. Chip June 16th, 2010 at 2:52 pm

    Patrick

    If my other options right now are:

    Thames, Huffman and Russo then I’m going with Granderson.

    I don’t think Cashman is going to trade for a top notch guy to sit on the bench and only play against LH bats…so you’re looking at guys like Austin Kearns who, in my opinion, aren’t any better than the guys you have on the roster already.

  103. LGY June 16th, 2010 at 2:53 pm

    It is far too early to talk about platooning Granderson.

    The Yankees obviously saw something in him that they could improve/correct when they made the trade.

    The sample is far too limited to start pulling up split statistics and is not even close to outweighing what the Yankees saw and hoped they could improve. Also, as many have pointed out the quality of his at bats against LHP have been better than in the past.

    The sample is not only small from this season but prone to being skewed. Because of that slump he had before hitting the DL, his numbers in general are suffering. With those 2 factors his splits don’t hold a lot of weight right now.

    The quality of his at bats are much more telling and far more important.

    Also, playing more games in YS in general should help him across the board. Comerica was not a good home park for him and his numbers suffered RH and LH. With a larger sample in YS, his numbers should improve across the board.

    Both Long and Granderson are human. It is going to take some time and a lot of give and take in this process. Granderson was not going to just wake up one morning and be able to hit LH. This time investment, in the long run will pay off and it is far too soon to abandon ship. And, being human, platooning him could hurt other part’s of Granderson’s game. Not playing everyday is not going to help his defense and it could very easily start to affect him against RH. He is used to playing everyday and facing ML pitching everyday.

    When you factor in Grandy’s age, Long’s track record, Granderson being an everyday player for his whole career, and how good Granderson is on defense they may be year’s away from platooning Granderson full time. I don’t see it happening or even being considered at any time in the near future.

  104. Chip June 16th, 2010 at 2:53 pm

    Champ –

    Yeah I didn’t mean Phelps. I was thinking David Adams and typed Phelps instead.

  105. SJ44 June 16th, 2010 at 2:55 pm

    That makes the deal just as bad.

    Chip,

    Pulling names out of thin air for fantasy deals makes little sense.

    Who in the real world would trade four players for a DH they don’t even need?

    Even in your bizarro baseball world, that’s off the charts.

  106. Patrick June 16th, 2010 at 2:56 pm

    Chip,

    Of course you go with Granderson over Huffman and Russo. Thames is hurt so that’s not a factor right now.

    You let him try to work it out while looking for a right handed outfielder. And yes Austin Kearns is a good option.

  107. Jerkface June 16th, 2010 at 2:56 pm

    The yankees aren’t trading to upgrade Gardner. Gardner is one of the most valuable OFers in the league right now.

    Any trade is going to be for a guy that will spend most of his time at DH and backup the OF / 1B

  108. Damon enjoy 27....think 28 June 16th, 2010 at 2:58 pm

    Phillies in talks with Pedro Martinez, how utterly inept does Gm Ruben Amaro look for trading Cliff Lee, to bring back Pedro?

    Curtis Granderson has penned an article on http://www.sports.yahoo.com on the big league stew blog. It’s entitled The Grandstand: There’s nothing like being called up to the bigs.

  109. vblade June 16th, 2010 at 2:58 pm

    Kearns is playing way over his head. It’s great for the Indians that they can sell high on him, but the team that gets him will be sorely disappointed.

  110. Chip June 16th, 2010 at 2:59 pm

    SJ44 June 16th, 2010 at 2:55 pm
    That makes the deal just as bad.

    Chip,

    Pulling names out of thin air for fantasy deals makes little sense.

    Who in the real world would trade four players for a DH they don?t even need?

    Even in your bizarro baseball world, that?s off the charts.
    —————

    Again,

    I don’t know that Hart is a DH – I haven’t seen every Brewers’ game but it seems to me that Milwaukee wouldn’t keep running him out there if he was that inept an OF.

  111. Patrick June 16th, 2010 at 3:00 pm

    Kearns is playing way over his head. It’s great for the Indians that they can sell high on him, but the team that gets him will be sorely disappointed.

    Yes he is playing over his head but if he regresses to where his peripherals seem to indicate he’d still be a useful 4th outfielder.

  112. UnKnown June 16th, 2010 at 3:01 pm

    GTLU

    Jeter SS
    Swisher RF
    Tex 1B
    Alex DH
    Cano 2B
    Posada C
    Granderson CF
    Russo 3B
    Gardner LF

  113. SJ44 June 16th, 2010 at 3:03 pm

    Why Chip? They don’t have a DH in the NL. He has a bat, he plays.

    Do you really think the Yankees are going to make a 4 for 1 trade for a guy and sit Brett Gardner? Seriously, do you?

    If not, why fill the space with such idiocy.

    As of today, Brett Gardner has been one of the best OF’s in the AL, both offensively and defensively.

    Who knows how long it will hold up. He may just be THIS GOOD.

    I do know this much….

    They aren’t trading FOUR minor league players for a guy making 12 times what Brett Gardner is making this year AND sit Gardner.

    That has a 0.0% chance of happening.

  114. champ809 June 16th, 2010 at 3:06 pm

    Gardner is a superior defender/baserunner and obviously underrated offensively by many on this board who only value Homeruns….

  115. stuckey June 16th, 2010 at 3:06 pm

    Reason Granderson isn’t being platooned anytime soon is the same reason Teixeira is still batting third.

    Or the Yankees were fine finding their 5 place hitter in house.

    Or the Yankees were fine finding their starting LF in-house.

    Or why Posada isn’t losing his job due to injury.

    The Yankees aren’t FANS who obsessively pour over splits and spend millions on “insurance” policies.

    And they’ve been rewarded for their judgment with the best record in baseball.

    As I wrote yesterday, fanboys abhor a vacuum. Doesn’t matter how well things are going, it’s their nature to try to “fix” the “weak link”, despite how relatively minor or inconsequential they may be.

  116. vinny-b (Brett Gardner will never see the bench again) June 16th, 2010 at 3:06 pm

    “If you found out you could get a cost controlled left fielder who plays above average defense, gets on base, steals bases, and has improved in every aspect as a hitter, except for bunting at this point of the season, everyone would be begging for the Yankees to trade for him.
    People be happy, the Yankees developed Gardner, he is not going to regress, this is what he showed in the minors, he is good, he made changes with his swing, he is even better now, get used to it, and be happy.
    Swisher is the same deal, Cashman stole him, he played well last year, to his #s, then this offseason he made changes to his swing, he is a much better hitter now, he just looks it, he is going to be a big part of this team for a while, be happy Yankee fans.
    Granderson has not even begun to show all his talent, he is an extra bases machine, once he gets locked in, the fans will love him even more. He has holes in his swing, if he takes to the coaching as Nick and Brett have, he could become a special player, but what he is now is a very good one.
    The Yankees don’t need Crawford, Werth, or any other outfielder, be happy Yankee fans, for years we have been waiting for a cost controlled dynamic outfield, we have it now, the grass is not greener outside of the Bronx”
    ————————————————————————————-

    lot of excellent posts today.

    have to nominate this one above, for post of the day

  117. Chip June 16th, 2010 at 3:06 pm

    Patrick,

    Here’s the problem with trading for Kearns. You’re going to be trading for him based on what he’s done thusfar this season – not what he really is (an injury prone underachiever)

    I say just keep running Curtis out there.

    Deal for a utility IF who can play the field and hit better than Ramiro Pena (Ryan Theriot).

  118. Wave Your Hat June 16th, 2010 at 3:06 pm

    The Yanks don’t need to platoon Granderson today. But, they are 12-10 against lefties, which is not a good sign when the teams we need to beat have lefty starters like Price, Lester, Liriano, Wilson, Romero and Cecil. And don’t forget lefty relievers that will be brought in to face him in crucial situations.

    If Granderson’s splits vs LHP this year were below his career norms, or if his OPS against lefties last year wasn’t .484, that would be different. But things are the way they are.

    There’s no point platooning Granderson until we get a RH hitting OF. But I believe the Yanks are looking for one, and will get one before the trade deadline, and at that point the Yanks will start platooning CG.

    If in the meantime CG starts to hit lefties, all well and good, maybe, if it then continues. But, I think you have to be an optimist to believe he’ll hit them consistently a lot better.

  119. Patrick June 16th, 2010 at 3:07 pm

    Why do the Nationals keep running Adam Dunn out there if he can’t field? Ditto for the Astros and Carlos Lee?

    Now to be fair, Corey Hart isn’t nearly as bad in the outfield as Dunn and Lee are but he isn’t what I’d call a good fielder. Worse than all 3 of the Yankee starters.

  120. Chip June 16th, 2010 at 3:07 pm

    SJ44 June 16th, 2010 at 3:03 pm
    Why Chip? They don?t have a DH in the NL. He has a bat, he plays.

    Do you really think the Yankees are going to make a 4 for 1 trade for a guy and sit Brett Gardner? Seriously, do you?

    If not, why fill the space with such idiocy.

    As of today, Brett Gardner has been one of the best OF?s in the AL, both offensively and defensively.

    Who knows how long it will hold up. He may just be THIS GOOD.

    I do know this much?.

    They aren?t trading FOUR minor league players for a guy making 12 times what Brett Gardner is making this year AND sit Gardner.

    That has a 0.0% chance of happening.
    —————-
    ok

  121. Wave Your Hat June 16th, 2010 at 3:08 pm

    “As I wrote yesterday, fanboys abhor a vacuum.”

    Fanboys? What are you, an SJ44 wannabee?

  122. stuckey June 16th, 2010 at 3:10 pm

    There is any verification that Chip and Bret are indeed, separate entities?

  123. Patrick June 16th, 2010 at 3:10 pm

    Chip,

    Agreed, Kearns is not the ideal player but he’s the only one out there that fills the hole as of today. Maybe that changes as we get closer to the deadline.

    You’re right, Girardi has to keep running CG out there. But in the meantime I am hopeful Cashman is looking for a right handed OF.

    I also agree that the Yanks need a better utility IF. Similar to what they did last year acquiring Hairston. Theriot is an ok idea. He can play 2B, SS, maybe a little 3B in a pinch. High average hitter, not very good OBP or power skills though.

  124. vblade June 16th, 2010 at 3:12 pm

    Right now, Thames can start against the tougher lefties and Granderson available to pinch hit in the later innings, if they so choose. However, there’s no way they bench Granderson against every lefty, that would be asinine.

  125. SJ44 June 16th, 2010 at 3:12 pm

    Quoting Granderson’s numbers against lefties this year is a bit of a reach since he lost a month with an injury.

    There isn’t any evidence they have any interest in platooning him. I could see them sitting him against a Jon Lester or Ricky Romero for example.

    I don’t ever see a scenario, regardless of who they acquire and what he hits against lefties, that has him being in a strict platoon for the rest of this season.

  126. BFARBS June 16th, 2010 at 3:13 pm

    Jeter SS
    Granderson CF
    Teixeira 1B
    Rodriguez DH
    Cano 2B
    Posada C
    Gardner LF
    Huffman RF
    Russo 3B
    Burnett P

  127. blake June 16th, 2010 at 3:13 pm

    The Yankees are above average defensively in the outfield when both Granderson and Gardner are out there. IMO they aren’t going to take that advantage away unless the platoon partner’s bat is pretty special, and how many special bats are platoon partners?

    If you watch Granderson’s ABs and not just the box scores then you can see improvement. He’s staying in the ball better, not flying open as much, and to me is having better ABs. I don’t think they platoon him until they are sure he will never improve

  128. YankWatcher June 16th, 2010 at 3:14 pm

    Shame that the Yanks have to keep Moeller sitting on the bench just to have the option to DH Posada and give Cervelli some playing time, but that seems to be what works.

    I predict Posada will be hurt again in no time if they try to catch him more than once or twice a week. He is TOO OLD to be stooping behind the plate every day, or every three out of four days. Face the facts, he is now primarily a DH and Cervelli is your primary catcher for now.

    Yes, the future catching stud farm — Montero, Romine, Sanchez, et.al. — yadda yadda yadda. We’ll see. Hot prospects often don’t work out. Montero still having problems with AAA pitching –.236 with only 3 home runs in 203 at bats. Sure, he is only 20, no reason to panic, but it certainly doesn’t make any sense to think about him as a major leaguer until he has sorted out AAA.

    Cervelli is here, he’s doing the job…doing a great job actually. Get over it, get used to it.

  129. Chip June 16th, 2010 at 3:14 pm

    Patrick

    How about going to the Cubs to fill both the need at utility IF and DH/4th OF:

    Work out a deal for Theriot and Nady.

    You’re not really worried about Theriot providing power, you just want him to be better than Ramiro Pena, which he would be. I have no idea how Nady is doing throwing the ball or if Lou is strictly using him at 1b, but we know he can handle New York, and he would be a decent DH batting in the 7 spot.

  130. BFARBS June 16th, 2010 at 3:14 pm

    CORRECTION

    sorry forgot swisher hahah

    Jeter SS
    Swisher RF
    Teixeira 1B
    Rodriguez DH
    Cano 2B
    Posada C
    Granderson CF
    Gardner LF
    Pena 3B
    Burnett P

  131. jpb1973 June 16th, 2010 at 3:15 pm

    Hmmmm. A minor league free agent infielder to sign with Scranton…is this the second coming of Yurendall Decaster???

  132. Wave Your Hat June 16th, 2010 at 3:16 pm

    SJ44-

    Quoting Granderson’s numbers against lefties would be a reach if they were out of line with his career, but they aren’t.

    Right now, they have no one to platoon him with, so it would be a surprise to me if the Yanks discussed it in the press. But the Yanks need to think about what their playoffs need will be. The Yanks are a smart organization, so I believe they are thinking about it.

  133. stuckey June 16th, 2010 at 3:16 pm

    “But, they are 12-10 against lefties”

    Which translates to 88 wins over the course of a regular season, a 543 winning %.

    And we not only should worry about this but expect the exchange of 1 BAT in a nine-man line-up to significant alter the result?

    Sigh…

  134. Patrick June 16th, 2010 at 3:16 pm

    SJ44,

    It’s not a reach when those numbers are right in line with his career numbers.

    I’m sure the Yankees want to avoid platooning him but he’s giving them little choice. You think they wanted to demote Joba to the bullpen after spending so much time developing him as a starter? Player performance dictates personnel moves. It almost seems like a lot of people on here are either wishful thinkers or think that personnel moves dictate performance. Just because the Yanks got Granderson to start every day doesn’t mean he can do a good job at it.

  135. Patrick June 16th, 2010 at 3:17 pm

    Work out a deal for Theriot and Nady.

    I like that idea.

  136. G. Love June 16th, 2010 at 3:17 pm

    I still can’t get over the fact that a blog that is so infatuated with prospects goes to these great lengths to marginalize a homegrown player like Gardner.

    It’s almost like he didn’t come up through the Yankee system.

    You could see the guy plays hard every game, shows emotion and loves being a Yankee. Not to mention he’s a damn good OF’er and one of the first half MVP’s right behind Cano.

    And for the record, Brett didn’t lose his job to poor play last season. He was injured, tried to play through it and couldn’t. Then Melky got hot, sort of, and when Brett came back the team was rolling and Girardi didn’t make the switch. I also think the injury played into his lack of playing time when he returned last season since he still wasn’t 100% and was really on the team to be a weapon as a runner.

    Girardi believed in this guy and it’s paying off. I recall last year people called him Girardi’s pet. I’m glad Girardi saw more in him than most of the people who seem to feel compelled to diminish what he’s meant to the team this year.

    As for trading for Corey Hart, that’s just dumb.

    The team needs a DH and there will be DH’s who cost far less than him that could put up similar numbers for a fraction of the cost in talent.

    What the team needs is a DH. If they could find one who could also play some 3b to give Arod more time to rest the hip, that would great.

    This is why the Red Sox won’t waive Lowell and are still trying to find a sucker to take him. I think they know the Yankees would snap him up in a heartbeat and it would be excruciating to see him help them win while the Red Sox missed the post season. Theo would never live that one down, paying a guy 12 million to help the Yankees win.

    As a DH/3b, he is exactly what this team would need.

  137. vblade June 16th, 2010 at 3:17 pm

    YankWatcher June 16th, 2010 at 3:14 pm

    I predict Posada will be hurt again in no time if they try to catch him more than once or twice a week. He is TOO OLD to be stooping behind the plate every day, or every three out of four days. Face the facts, he is now primarily a DH and Cervelli is your primary catcher for now.

    —————–

    It’s only a fact if you are either Brian Cashman, Joe Girardi, or the Yankees medical staff.

    Since you are neither of those, it’s not a fact but an opinion.

    Cervelli’s offensive numbers have fallen off significantly in the last month, if you’d bothered to check before posting your “facts”, you’d know that.

  138. LGY June 16th, 2010 at 3:17 pm

    If the Yankees traded for Granderson to be a full time player knowing full well his problems against LHP, why would their opinion suddenly change with less than 3 months of at bats?

    Do you think the Yankees honestly thought that overnight Kevin Long was going to change Granderson against LHP?

    Do you really think they traded for him and said we will give him a few months and if his numbers are still bad we will make him a platoon?

    Platooning Granderson now would be a knee jerk reaction and extremely shortsighted of the Yankees.

    53 PA against LHP should not change what the Yankees saw in Granderson when they traded for him to be an everyday player.

    And it won’t.

  139. Chip June 16th, 2010 at 3:18 pm

    Patrick,

    If the only guy out there is Kearns, then I seriously consider signing Jermaine Dye and seeing what he can offer. I honestly believe I’m going to get more out of Dye than I would from Kearns and Dye would only cost money – not a minor leaguer.

    I might also give Ken Williams a call about Andruw Jones.

  140. Chip June 16th, 2010 at 3:19 pm

    Patrick June 16th, 2010 at 3:17 pm
    Work out a deal for Theriot and Nady.

    ?

    I like that idea.

    Gut feeling, what does it take to get it done?

  141. Patrick June 16th, 2010 at 3:20 pm

    Gut feeling, what does it take to get it done?

    Not a clue, I have no idea what the Cubs need. Maybe a couple B level pitching prospects?

    Also I don’t like the idea of Jermaine Dye. There’s a reason nobody has signed him.

  142. SJ44 June 16th, 2010 at 3:21 pm

    They aren’t strictly platooning their starting CF.

    If they had no confidence in his ability to hit lefties, they would have acquired a RH bat to do so before the start of the season.

    They knew what they were getting with him. Every player has positives and negatives.

    They will sit him against certain lefties. I have no doubt they will do that.

    A strict platoon? That’s a fantasy.

    They aren’t doing that with their starting CF because his positives of being in the lineup the majority of the time far outweighs his numbers against LH pitching.

  143. Wave Your Hat June 16th, 2010 at 3:21 pm

    “And we not only should worry about this but expect the exchange of 1 BAT in a nine-man line-up to significant alter the result?

    Sigh…”

    I hope and pray John Henry reads this blog and decides to offer you the GM job.

    Actually, I hope Chip gets the job but if he doesn’t you are second on my list. :)

  144. vblade June 16th, 2010 at 3:21 pm

    Chip June 16th, 2010 at 3:18 pm

    Patrick,

    If the only guy out there is Kearns, then I seriously consider signing Jermaine Dye and seeing what he can offer. I honestly believe I’m going to get more out of Dye than I would from Kearns and Dye would only cost money – not a minor leaguer.

    ——————–

    Jermaine Dye hasn’t been in a major league game in months. What makes you think he’d be better than Kearns?

    I don’t even like Kearns because his career numbers suggest a rapid regression pretty soon, but I have a hard time believing someone who hasn’t even played in close to a year would be comparable.

  145. MTU (aka GBURL) June 16th, 2010 at 3:22 pm

    G. love-

    And that would be divine justice for the way the Sox treated Lowell. :)

    Only happening in fantasy though.

  146. Chip June 16th, 2010 at 3:22 pm

    Patrick June 16th, 2010 at 3:20 pm
    Gut feeling, what does it take to get it done?

    ?

    Not a clue, I have no idea what the Cubs need. Maybe a couple B level pitching prospects?

    How about Bleich and David Adams?

  147. Comet June 16th, 2010 at 3:22 pm

    Jeter SS
    Swisher RF
    Tex 1B’
    AROD DH
    Cano 2B
    Posada C
    Grandson CF
    Gardner LF
    Pena 3B

    Thank you Doreen.

  148. SJ44 June 16th, 2010 at 3:22 pm

    Nobody has taken a flyer on Jermaine Dye because he has nothing left.

    That ship has sailed.

  149. SJ44 June 16th, 2010 at 3:23 pm

    Considering Bleich just had shoulder surgery and is going to miss a year, I don’t think the Cubs will want to acquire him.

    Wild guess on my part.

  150. Billy D June 16th, 2010 at 3:24 pm

    “I’m a little shocked that you all are ok with a guy starting vs lefties when he only has .585 OPS against them.”

    Whaddya mean?!?! He’s only striking out in 40% of his at bats against lefties.

    FWIW, in is career year of 2007, Granderson was even more abysmal against LHP’s than he has been this year. Still ended up with 85 extra basehits and 122 runs.

  151. Giuseppe Franco June 16th, 2010 at 3:25 pm

    Patrick,

    Your examples like Gardner/Melky last season and Damaso Marte and his 8th inning role were solved in house. When Gardner struggled, Melky played. And vice versa. When Marte struggled, they gave the job to Hughes.

    You’re asking the Yanks to trade for a RH platoon guy when they just traded one of their top prospects for Granderson to be their everyday CF.

    He also missed a month of the season and hasn’t had all that much time to get into a rhythm.

    I supposed you can never say never, but it is plainly obvious that the Yanks have considerably more patience in their guys than a lot of the fans do.

    I just don’t see them platooning Granderson anytime soon.

  152. Patrick June 16th, 2010 at 3:26 pm

    Chip,

    No those are two of our best prospects, I wouldn’t give those guys up for bench players.

    SJ44,

    What positives does a sub-.600 OPS player bring?

    Yeah he’s a good fielder but he’s a terrible hitter vs lefties. You don’t lose much on the field if you shift Gardner over to center and get an average fielding corner OF in left. But in return you are replacing a below replacement level hitter with an average or above average hitter.

    Just because Granderson has the label “Starting CF” doesn’t mean the Yanks won’t platoon him.

  153. Jason22 June 16th, 2010 at 3:26 pm

    There is a really good interview going on a the moment with Doug Glanville and Francesa.

    His book must be a good read judging from this interview.

    Interesting guy.

  154. stuckey June 16th, 2010 at 3:26 pm

    Is anyone like me and starting to pine for the days of the endless Phil Hughes discussions?

    Best record in baseball.

    Best run differential in baseball.

    Most runs scored in baseball.

    I suspect, a league above average record against lefties.

    What are we all waiting for… we NEED TO FIX THIS!!!!

  155. Wave Your Hat June 16th, 2010 at 3:26 pm

    SJ44-

    If the Yanks get a RH hitting outfielder who can field his position I believe it will be basically a platoon, although the Yanks are short a DH too so it may not work out strictly that way.

    But, they say in battle plans change after contact with the enemy. The Yanks’ plans going into the season can change based on what happens during the season. This is true for the CF spot as it is true for all else.

  156. Chip June 16th, 2010 at 3:26 pm

    SJ44 June 16th, 2010 at 3:21 pm
    They aren?t strictly platooning their starting CF.

    If they had no confidence in his ability to hit lefties, they would have acquired a RH bat to do so before the start of the season.

    They knew what they were getting with him. Every player has positives and negatives.

    They will sit him against certain lefties. I have no doubt they will do that.

    A strict platoon? That?s a fantasy.

    They aren?t doing that with their starting CF because his positives of being in the lineup the majority of the time far outweighs his numbers against LH pitching.
    ———————–

    Since you’ve offered me some constructive criticism on my posts I hope you will accept some in return:

    Simply repeating over and over again that a team will or won’t do something does not qualify as proving your point, it only proves you are good at repetition. If you want to have a discussion with someone who has a different point of view, then give reasons for it that go beyond “because they won’t”

    Your “because I said so” type of explaination stops working on most people when they turn 13.

    Hope that my words are taken in the spirit they are intended.

    Thanks

  157. Patrick June 16th, 2010 at 3:27 pm

    GF,

    If by anytime soon you mean from now until the trade deadline I agree. I’d give him until then to show he can hit lefties. If he can’t, pull the trigger on a trade and set up a platoon

  158. Chip June 16th, 2010 at 3:27 pm

    SJ44 June 16th, 2010 at 3:23 pm
    Considering Bleich just had shoulder surgery and is going to miss a year, I don?t think the Cubs will want to acquire him.

    Wild guess on my part.
    —————

    Fair enough – I wasn’t aware of that.

  159. melladie June 16th, 2010 at 3:28 pm

    Wave Your Hat June 16th, 2010 at 3:08 pm

    “As I wrote yesterday, fanboys abhor a vacuum.”

    Fanboys? What are you, an SJ44 wannabee?

    stuckey could not sniff the jock of SJ.

  160. Comet June 16th, 2010 at 3:28 pm

    Chip, Patrick, this team is playing unbelievable baseball. Why would you want to make a trade? they are playing .641 baseball, tied for the division lead and are head and shoulders above every other team except the Rays. Doesn’t make any sense to me!

  161. Chip June 16th, 2010 at 3:29 pm

    Patrick June 16th, 2010 at 3:26 pm
    Chip,

    No those are two of our best prospects, I wouldn?t give those guys up for bench players.
    ————-

    I’m just thinking back to what the Yankees gave up for Nady and Marte a couple of years ago – I think a package similar to that, but not quite as good, would be fair.

  162. stuckey June 16th, 2010 at 3:29 pm

    “I hope and pray John Henry reads this blog and decides to offer you the GM job.”

    In other words, you have no rebuttal?

    Do people really still do stuff like this when they have nothing left to argue?

    That’s so ’06…

  163. Patrick June 16th, 2010 at 3:30 pm

    I’m just thinking back to what the Yankees gave up for Nady and Marte a couple of years ago – I think a package similar to that, but not quite as good, would be fair.

    The Pirates sold really high on those guys. Theriot and Nady’s value isn’t very high right now.

  164. SportsGeek June 16th, 2010 at 3:33 pm

    Doreen Thanks.. GTLI
    Jeter SS
    Swisher RF
    Tex 1B
    ARod DH
    Cano 2B
    Posada C
    Granderson CF
    Peña 3B
    Gardner LF
    +Burnett P

  165. SJ44 June 16th, 2010 at 3:35 pm

    Chip,

    Can it. Nobody cares what somebody who doesn’t even know what they are talking about on these issues think.

    When you offer something here other than moronic fantasy trades, then give advice.

    Wave,

    The Yankees acquired Curtis Granderson knowing he struggles against lefties.

    They saw him not hit lefties in his career year. Yet, still saw him as an impact player.

    To say they will have a strict platoon because he can’t hit lefties makes little sense since they KNEW it was a weakness when they acquired him. If they were that worried about him, they would have a RH “shadow bat on the bench going into the season.

    Sitting him against certain lefties? No doubt they will do that.

    Joe Torre sat Tino and Paul O’Neill in playoff and WS games against certain lefties. I have no doubt Girardi would do the same with Granderson.

    To say, if they get another RH bat, Granderson becomes a platoon player the rest of the year?

    There just isn’t any indication the Yankees see him as a platoon player. Especially when how he is hitting is in line with the rest of his career to date.

    Just not happening.

  166. Mike June 16th, 2010 at 3:35 pm

    Wow, sometimes I read this blog and forget that the Yankees are 41-23. Why on earth would they weaken the farm system, after trading multiple players from it this year to get Granderson and Vazquez, for trades that are basically lateral moves.

    Even a cursory look at the farm system and sense in your head would dictate that you wouldn’t trade Adams, Higoshioka, Nova and whomever else was included in that for Corey freakin’ Hart.

    Seriously people, I know they shouldn’t rest on their laurels, but Cervelli comes up with big hit after big hit and plays great behind the plate (and makes the league minimum), Pena seems to come up with a big hit or great defensive play whenever he’s in there (and makes the league minimum), and there isn’t much about Gardner’s stats that say he is going to have a decline in the second half barring injury. He has done exactly what he is doing at each level at every year (year to adjust and then puts up the numbers)

    Step away from the Yahoo! trade proposal machine and actually think… their entire bench is making the league minimum and producing. If there is a deal out there that makes sense and IMPROVES the team, I trust Brian Cashman will do it.

    Jeez, I hardly ever post, but some of this is beyond ridiculous. Take a deep breath and repeat 41-23 for me…

  167. OddJob June 16th, 2010 at 3:35 pm

    I agree. Platoon was a very good movie.

  168. MTU (aka GBURL) June 16th, 2010 at 3:35 pm

    SJ-

    You must have missed my post on a prior thread in realtion to how you thought the Yankees might handle the # 5 slot next year if Lee is acquired and Andy were to retire?

    I think you touched on it in response to others but never answered my question directly.

    An in-house competition ? Joba, Mitre, Nova, etc.

  169. LGY June 16th, 2010 at 3:36 pm

    Curtis Granderson has 53 plate attempts this season against LHP.

    Think back to when the Yankees made the trade.

    At that time did you think that 53 plate attempts or even the 100 or so he will have by the deadline would be sufficient to completely close the book on Curtis Granderson’s career vs LHP?

    If you did think that was sufficient, your perspective of the trade was very off.

  170. weez June 16th, 2010 at 3:37 pm

    GTLU

    SS – DJ
    RF – Swish
    1B – Tex
    3B – A-Rod
    2B – Cano
    C – Posada
    CF – Grandy
    DH – Huffman
    LF – Gardy

  171. Wave Your Hat June 16th, 2010 at 3:38 pm

    “In other words, you have no rebuttal?

    Do people really still do stuff like this when they have nothing left to argue?”

    Oops, I didn’t realize “sigh” was an argument. How silly of me!

    When you make a point that begins to be responsive to my earlier argument I’ll consider a rebuttal, but so far you haven’t come up with one.

    By the way, one bat in a line up can make a huge difference. The notion that you think it doesn’t is what I hope wins you the Boston job!

  172. Wave Your Hat June 16th, 2010 at 3:39 pm

    Sj44-

    It’s just a back and forth at this point. Time will tell. Pax.

  173. Chip June 16th, 2010 at 3:40 pm

    Comet –

    Patrick and I aren’t talking about breaking up the club, just making a couple of minor tweaks, even great teams need them.

    Patrick –

    Agreed; let’s see… how about Zach McAllister, Kevin Whalen and Marcos Vechionacci

  174. Billy D June 16th, 2010 at 3:41 pm

    “At that time did you think that 53 plate attempts or even the 100 or so he will have by the deadline would be sufficient to completely close the book on Curtis Granderson’s career vs LHP?”

    Not as a sufficient as the 700 he already had prior to be traded to the Yankees.

  175. Jerkface June 16th, 2010 at 3:42 pm

    The only reason Marcus Thames is on the team was as a hedge against lefties for Gardner/Granderson. If the Yankees were not concerned with their production vs Lefties they would have went with a better overall player.

  176. Chip June 16th, 2010 at 3:42 pm

    SJ44 June 16th, 2010 at 3:35 pm
    Chip,

    Can it. Nobody cares what somebody who doesn?t even know what they are talking about on these issues think.

    When you offer something here other than moronic fantasy trades, then give advice.
    ————–

    Aww that really hurt my feelings.

    And I did offer something more than “moronic fantasy trades” I offered you advice on how you might improve your ability to get your point across.

    Again, “because I said so” just not a convincing argument.

  177. Chip June 16th, 2010 at 3:45 pm

    Chip June 16th, 2010 at 3:42 pm
    SJ44 June 16th, 2010 at 3:35 pm
    Chip,

    Can it. Nobody cares what somebody who doesn?t even know what they are talking about on these issues think.

    When you offer something here other than moronic fantasy trades, then give advice.
    ?????

    Aww that really hurt my feelings.

    And I did offer something more than ?moronic fantasy trades? I offered you advice on how you might improve your ability to get your point across.

    Again, ?because I said so? just not a convincing argument.
    ——–

    And if being polite doesn’t work how about this – until you can offer a compelling argument to back up your points: something that goes beyond “Because I said so” or your dellusions about being “wired in” then you can it you pathetic troll.

    :-)

  178. SJ44 June 16th, 2010 at 3:46 pm

    Good lord Chip, Kevin Whalen and Vechionacci aren’t even prospects at this point.

    Wave,

    The game is more than just numbers. There is also heads and minds involved.

    If a guy has over 700 AB’s against lefties and has never been platooned, I’m seeing what has changed for the Yankees to platoon him now.

    The guy does too many good things on the field to be in a strict platoon. That’s why he’s been an everyday player, despite his struggles against lefties.

  179. Chip June 16th, 2010 at 3:46 pm

    On that note, I wish you all glad tidings for the night.

  180. LGY June 16th, 2010 at 3:46 pm

    “Not as a sufficient as the 700 he already had prior to be traded to the Yankees.”

    ———————–

    Then why was he traded to be an everyday player?

  181. OddJob June 16th, 2010 at 3:47 pm

    Charlie Sheen really is an underrated actor. Seriously.

  182. Tom D June 16th, 2010 at 3:48 pm

    Ryan Howard can’t hit lefties either and he has won an MVP and he just got a $100 million dollar contract extension.

    Not hitting lefties isin’t as much of a detriment as people think it is.

  183. Giuseppe Franco June 16th, 2010 at 3:49 pm

    # Patrick June 16th, 2010 at 3:27 pm

    GF,

    If by anytime soon you mean from now until the trade deadline I agree. I’d give him until then to show he can hit lefties. If he can’t, pull the trigger on a trade and set up a platoon

    ————-

    Won’t happen. I’d bet my next paycheck on it.

    I agree with SJ regarding perhaps sitting him against the tough lefties once in awhile like Lester, Price, etc.

    But there will not be a straight platoon with Granderson. The team has a lot more patience with him than you do.

  184. Billy D June 16th, 2010 at 3:49 pm

    “Then why was he traded to be an everyday player?”

    Because he’s been able to offset his inability to hit LHP’s effectively by OPS’ing around .900 against righties and playing a solid CF.

  185. Shame Spencer June 16th, 2010 at 3:49 pm

    Charlie Sheen really cheated on his wife. Seriously.

  186. CRAWDADDY (Boycott ESPN-NY) June 16th, 2010 at 3:49 pm

    “On that note, I wish you all glad tidings for the night.”

    Thank God!

  187. champ809 June 16th, 2010 at 3:50 pm

    Theriot can’t play third and so being able to backup Jeter @ SS and Cano @ 2B really is a waste if your util inf can’t play 3B as Jeter and Cano are healthy and play everyday and ARod is the guy who needs a spell more often….

    really this just gets sillier and sillier could they use a rh Of’er who could play some CF…maybe

    but Jermaine Dye?

    a 5 for 1 for Corey Hart?

    a healthy Bleich for X Nady?

    you clearly have no concept of the real values of some of these prospects or prospects in general….

    Russo is Theriot without the playing time….

  188. SJ44 June 16th, 2010 at 3:51 pm

    More wired in than you chip and been a lot more accurate than you on a lot of issues.

    I’ve offered numerous reasons why your fantasy deals have no chance of happening and why the Yankees aren’t viewing Curtis Granderson as a platoon player.

    Unfortunately, your inability to understand gets in the way.

    I gave you numerous reasons yesterday why your ridiculous dislike of Posada and Pettitte were unfounded.

    When someone offers Marcus Vechionacci as a trade chip, and then wants to discuss my knowledge of the organization, my contacts and the farm system, I just can’t take you seriously chip. Even though you are begging to be taken seriously here.

    As Patrick said earlier, you are a fun troll because you inspire conversation.

    Your knowledge? VERY lacking and it shows with every post.

  189. vinny-b (Brett Gardner will never see the bench again) June 16th, 2010 at 3:51 pm

    “Good lord Chip, Kevin Whalen and Vechionacci aren’t even prospects at this point”
    —————————————————————-

    am not attempting to pile on Chip. Cuz he made 2-3 intelligent posts today. That said, i really hope his above post was a joke.

  190. CRAWDADDY (Boycott ESPN-NY) June 16th, 2010 at 3:54 pm

    SJ,

    I don’t understand why you waste your time with that poster?

  191. Jerkface June 16th, 2010 at 3:54 pm

    If a guy has over 700 AB?s against lefties and has never been platooned, I?m seeing what has changed for the Yankees to platoon him now.

    Lack of options? For an amazing player Granderson sure was traded. Players have limitations and I think its ok to discuss how to get around those limitations. Just because Granderson has never been platooned does not mean he should not be platooned or can not be platooned. He was certainly dropped to 8th in the tigers batting order enough against Lefties to consider him a marginal player vs them.

    If the yankees had a player who could play LF and hit lefties, I don’t doubt that Granderson would see pine more than now. Especially if Gardner continues to emerge.

  192. LGY June 16th, 2010 at 3:57 pm

    “Because he’s been able to offset his inability to hit LHP’s effectively by OPS’ing around .900 against righties and playing a solid CF.”

    ———————-

    Then what has changed in the past 2.5 months to make him a platoon player?

  193. Mike June 16th, 2010 at 3:57 pm

    thank god that moron left… ugggghhhh, painful.

    Chip is the case of someone clearly having little to zero clue about the Yankee farm system or just general baseball knowledge.

    The proposals seriously sound like he read something on RAB or another site that spends some time on prospects or might have read about Chad mentioning them and then throwing them into whatever deal would bring back washed-up player x to “help” strengthen the team.

    If you want to make fantasy trade proposals, at least have them make a little sense and not include people that are getting TJ surgery. I’m sure clubs are champing at the bit to get those players in their system and give up a player that is healthy

  194. Jerkface June 16th, 2010 at 3:57 pm

    Not hitting lefties isin?t as much of a detriment as people think it is.

    That Ryan Howard sure showed up in the WS against all those lefties.

  195. SJ44 June 16th, 2010 at 3:58 pm

    That’s not what we are talking about. We are talking about a strict platoon for the guy and there is no evidence the Yankees have any interest in doing that.

    Lots of good players get traded. Miguel Cabrera got traded and he’s a better player than Granderson will ever be.

    The Tigers traded him for money reasons. Then, Mike Illich reversed course in the middle of the off-season and gave Dombrowski a bigger budget and he went out and sign Valverde and Damon. It happens in the business.

    Like I said, I have no doubt the Yankees would sit him against a Price, Lester, Romero at times. They have done it with other players in the past.

    My contention is, they won’t put the guy in a strict platoon because they don’t see him as that kind of player, regardless of his numbers against LHP.

  196. SJ44 June 16th, 2010 at 4:00 pm

    Ryan Howard doesn’t get platooned, does he? Does he ever get PH for against lefties?

    Ryan Howard got a ton of coin AND a WS ring despite not hitting lefties.

  197. Wave Your Hat June 16th, 2010 at 4:00 pm

    SJ44-

    We are getting back to our old disagreements and I see no reason to heat them up with you as we generally get along now and I generally like your thinking.

    But, heads and minds aside, a guy shouldn’t be in the lineup against lefties if he can’t achieve a .600 OPS against them. If CG can get his OPS up to .700 vs lefties that’s one thing, the current level is another. Whether you want to call it a strict platoon or not, when we have to win a game against a lefty the Yanks need to find a RH hitting outfielder who can start.

    Right now there’s no crisis, as I believe I have said repeatedly over the last few days, so there’s no immediate need to make a deal, no one’s available anyway that fits the bill. I’m looking down the road to the playoffs when there will be a need.

    I have to go back to work, so if I don’t respond to further posts don’t read anything into it. Cheers!

  198. whatever June 16th, 2010 at 4:01 pm

    What about trading for Jim Edmonds?

  199. LGY June 16th, 2010 at 4:01 pm

    The Yankees have sat LH batters at times against really tough LH pitching as recently as Damon and Abreu.

  200. Yanks1919 June 16th, 2010 at 4:02 pm

    Granderson is a dynamic player who will help the Yankees more than he will hurt them this season. He has a unique combination of speed and power that fits nicely in the lineup. That coupled with plus defense at a prime position makes him an asset. He has one hole in his game but I guarantee that his ability vs lefties will not be the reason why the Yankees win or don’t win the World Series. They Yanks won 4 WS with two guys in O’niel and Tino who weren’t great against lefties and they were more important peices of the lineup.

  201. Patrick from CT June 16th, 2010 at 4:03 pm

    I really don’t think the Yanks need much of anything right now other than to have a LH power bat off the bench in place of the 3rd catcher. Miranda may get another chance or maybe Nick Johnson will come back. May guess is that Posada is going to DH a lot over the next 2-3 weeks and they hold on to Moeller.
    Their RH power bat off the bench, Thames is hurt but we assume he’ll be back soon. Is there a better option than Thames for a RH DH/OF for the Yankees out there, I guess we’ll find out in the next month, 6 weeks. Maybe Huffman will turn into that guy, but I don’t know that he’ll see enough playing time to prove it unless someone gets hurt.
    Someone like Nady that could play 1b, lf, rf, dh would be great for the streach run; if he can throw that is.
    I like Pena’s glove too much to look to replace him as the utility infield guy…

  202. Jerkface June 16th, 2010 at 4:03 pm

    My contention is, they won?t put the guy in a strict platoon because they don?t see him as that kind of player, regardless of his numbers against LHP.

    If they had a player they could platoon him with I think this would be different. If they had options they’d use them, but they don’t so right now its ‘hope K-Long can turn him around, plan B hope that he doesn’t hurt us too bad against lefties’ Granderson is a .900 OPS guy vs righties, if you are able to hide him or diminish his ability to impact you against lefties you gain a large advantage.

    For example, if they got Jason Werth you could DH Werth/Swisher vs Righties and then play Werth in LF against lefties and move Gardner to CF.

    They’re not going to sign Werth, but thats just an example.

    The reason Granderson is not being platooned is lack of acceptable options. And the yankees might NEVER have any options, but were one to show up I think they would platoon him.

  203. Chip June 16th, 2010 at 4:05 pm

    Ok, back for a second (mostly to say that Jon Weber has signed a minor league deal with Detroit)

    Having said that…

    SJ -

    Last year the Yankees traded a non prospect, Chase Weems, for Jerry Hairston. I would say that right now Theriot and Nady have as much value as Hairston did last year – so non-prospects like Whalen and Vech would be an acceptable price to pay.

  204. SJ44 June 16th, 2010 at 4:05 pm

    Wave,

    There just aren’t a lot of perfect players out there.

    I see it as a risk v. reward type of deal.

    If you turn the guy into a platoon player, it messes with his head because he knows he’s not a platoon player. As much as he struggles against lefties, he’s not a platoon player. He has too much game to be a platoon player.

    A night he goes 0-4 against a lefty, he could make a good play in CF to save a run. Or, he draws a walk, steals a base, or goes from first to third on a hit to set up a winning run. Things like that can’t happen if he is on the bench.

    Is that risk (messing with his head), which could hurt his overall game, worth the possible reward of getting a lilttle more production in a handful of games?

    I just don’t see them messing with his head like that. Especially since, his AB’s against lefties have been pretty good.

    Much better swings than at times last year.

  205. Billy D June 16th, 2010 at 4:07 pm

    “Then what has changed in the past 2.5 months to make him a platoon player?”

    Never said he was one. Really just saying that there’s little reason to expect his inepitude against lefties to do anything but persist.

  206. pat June 16th, 2010 at 4:07 pm

    BryanHoch Girardi said that ARod hasn’t shown the lateral movement necessary to play 3B yet. Ready to DH though.

  207. whatever June 16th, 2010 at 4:08 pm

    WHAT ARE THE YANKEES GOING TO DO WHEN THEY FACE DAVID PRICE AT LEAST 2 TIMES IN THE ALCS? GRANDERSON MOST CERTAINTLY WILL BE EXPOSED… WHERES THE BIG RIGHTY BAT COMING OFF THE BENCH LIKE A RUBEN SIERRA TYPE… IF IM THE YANKEES I LOCATE THE RIGHTY BAT THAT OWNS DAVID PRICE OR HAS SUCCESS AGAINST HARD THROWING LEFTIES AND MAKE A TRADE..

  208. Jerkface June 16th, 2010 at 4:10 pm

    O’Neil ended his career as a .247 .312 .386 .699 hitter vs Lefties.

    OPS 1996: better than .700 1997: .766 (hit .280!) 1998: .760 (hit .280 again!) 1999: .543 :( 2000: .836 (reverse platoon split that season) 2001: .732

    Granderson career: .209 .268 .344 .612

    OPS 2009: .484 2008: .739 2007: .494 2006: .671

    Granderson’s current line: 200 .245 .340 .585

    If he can’t get up to .700 he should probably be platooned.

  209. Beez June 16th, 2010 at 4:11 pm

    “WHAT ARE THE YANKEES GOING TO DO WHEN THEY FACE DAVID PRICE AT LEAST 2 TIMES IN THE ALCS? ”

    Play Russo or Huffman… duh.

  210. pat June 16th, 2010 at 4:13 pm

    Why are people yelling? Hit the caps lock please.

  211. pat June 16th, 2010 at 4:14 pm

    YankeesInk Cervelli/Posada catching duties will currently be evaluated daily.

  212. TK June 16th, 2010 at 4:14 pm

    It’s 4:15… where are all the lineups on twitter? :(

  213. Jerkface June 16th, 2010 at 4:14 pm

    And Howard is slowly deteriorating as a hitter and is obviously not worth the money spent on him.

    He OPS’d .225 .307 .438 .745 against lefties in his career. 1.055 OPS against righties. That is not a bad player.

    2007: .225 .333 .493 .826
    2008: 224 .294 .451 .746
    2009: .207 .298 .356 .653
    2010:.218 .269 .379 .648

    See the trend?

  214. whatever June 16th, 2010 at 4:14 pm

    “Play Russo or Huffman… duh.”

    who stink, duh

  215. whatever June 16th, 2010 at 4:16 pm

    Cashmen get us Ryan Braun right now, trade maybe Joba, Pena, and Cervelli.

  216. Irreverent Discourse June 16th, 2010 at 4:16 pm

    oneil only learned how to hit lefties after he joined the yankees.

    granderson is never getting platooned.

    there was a good article on fangraphs last year (i think) about how platooning guys never works out.

  217. OddJob June 16th, 2010 at 4:16 pm

    I used to have a Charlie Sheen Hot Shots poster in my room when I was young.

  218. Irreverent Discourse June 16th, 2010 at 4:17 pm

    also, lets not shoe-in tampa just yet. they have to prove they can do it all year, just like in 2008. until then lets worry about health, not hypothetical ALCS matchups.

  219. Erica in NY June 16th, 2010 at 4:17 pm

    new thread :arrow:

  220. Giuseppe Franco June 16th, 2010 at 4:19 pm

    The Rays and Yanks have to make it to the ALCS before the Yanks have to worry about what they will do with their lineup against David Price.


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