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Do the Yankees need a reliever?

Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Misc on Jun 17, 2010 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

Wondering outloud is rarely a good idea in the morning, but here we go…

Boone Logan gave the Yankees all they could have asked for last night. He faced a Phillies lineup that spent the first three-plus innings teeing off on A.J. Burnett, and Logan held them hitless through two and two-thirds. He walked one, struck out three and at the very least gave the Yankees a chance to come back.

But I can’t help wondering if Logan might be on his way back to Triple-A.

No one has told me that a move is coming, but 33 pitches means Logan won’t be available for at least a day. After tonight’s game, the Mets will come to the Bronx with only one significant left-handed threat (Ike Davis). Chad Gaudin was also burned out last night — three hitless innings — so it might make sense to swap Logan for a long man.

Romulo Sanchez hasn’t pitched for Triple-A Scranton/Wilkes-Barre since Monday, and both Mark Melancon and Jonathan Albaladejo would be available if the Yankees wanted a guy for an inning or two.

Just a thought.

 
 

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110 Responses to “Do the Yankees need a reliever?”

  1. MTU (aka GBURL) June 17th, 2010 at 9:05 am

    Repost :

    Re: AJ

    AJ is a 2 pitch pitcher. Both plus.

    And as we know that combo is deadly when they are on.

    The problem occurrs when one of them isn’t. Then AJ’s arsenal is cut almost in half and hitter’s begin to sit on a certain pitch.

    I don’t care how great your stuff is, other than Mo, no pitcher can get by with just one pitch working.

    If AJ would use his CU or 2 seamer more when one of his other bread and butter pitches is not working I think he would be a more successful and consistent pitcher.

    He is stubborn about the CU. He actually has quite a good one but refuses to throw it.

    that’s on him.

    He also has a good 2 seamer and should try to use that more in circumstances when his 2 best pitches aren’t getting it done.

    Last night. It seemed to me that neither of his 2 best pitches were
    working particularly well and he just had just had a particularly bad night. That could happen to anyone.

    The FB command was off from the beginning and the curve didn’t come around soon enough to make a difference.

  2. NYYROC June 17th, 2010 at 9:06 am

    I live in Rochester, hence the ROC in my screen name, and for all you Cito Culver fans there was a nice pic of Cito in this AM’s Democrat & Chronicle, our local fishwrapper. The pic showed Culver with a new haircut that featured the NYY logo on the side of his head!

  3. Patrick from CT June 17th, 2010 at 9:06 am

    Nope.
    Joes said that Logan did great to have only thrown 33 pitches. He should be ready Friday and bringing 95 heat can get rightys out too.
    Albaladejo and Melancon have been given lots of chances. Logan should get a little more rope.

  4. MTU (aka GBURL) June 17th, 2010 at 9:08 am

    Doreen-

    on adding #3.

    That is also certainly true but I personally believe the benefit might outweigh the harm. :)

    Randy-

    Good to see you around.

    How’s buisness ?

  5. Bret the Hitman June 17th, 2010 at 9:11 am

    Albaladejo?

  6. blake June 17th, 2010 at 9:12 am

    MTU,
    Yea I made it out alive thankfully.

    Randy,
    Nice posts…good to see ya around these parts again.

  7. ac1 June 17th, 2010 at 9:15 am

    for all the ripping we have done, particularly on Gaudin lately, i want to be fair and say he pitched awesome last night. He and Logan (who we also ripped a lot) held them in the game right until the end. Yankees just couldnt hit those nasty 80mph fastballs and similar looking sliders. Yankees did reintroduce themselves to Brad Lidge though.

  8. Bam Sorden June 17th, 2010 at 9:15 am

    Where is Trish, I mean CR9, I mean Trish, I mean CR9. Talk about having different aliases!

  9. MTU (aka GBURL) June 17th, 2010 at 9:16 am

    Blake-

    Last night was a great example of why I don’t post during game threads.

    Mornings and Late evenings seem to be the best. The trolls and imposters have rendered the game threads a sewer and guys like Pat M, GB, SJ, CB, and others just don’t like wading thru it.

    IMO they should have registration to control it but a blind eye has been turned instead.

  10. Chambliss June 17th, 2010 at 9:18 am

    repost from prior thread:

    I find it odd that Moyer went 1+ innings in his last start and gave up 9 hits and 9 runs against the Red Sox, and then he blinds the Yankees in his very next start. Moyer is a nibbler, and it seemed like he was getting a lot of borderline pitches last night. It also seemed as if the Yankees were swinging early in the count and hitting line drives or long fly balls quite often.

    Oh well. One game. Can?t get too bent out of shape. Take it tonight and win another series.

  11. Patrick June 17th, 2010 at 9:18 am

    Where is Trish, I mean CR9, I mean Trish, I mean CR9. Talk about having different aliases!

    “He gone!”

    - Hawk Harrelson

  12. Bret the Hitman June 17th, 2010 at 9:19 am

    NYYROC,

    Can you post a link?

  13. CountryClub June 17th, 2010 at 9:19 am

    Another good night for Stoneburner – 7 scoreless with 5 k’s and 10 groundballs. Slade had 2 doubles and 4 rbi and Murphy went 4 – 6.

  14. Billy D June 17th, 2010 at 9:20 am

    “Albaladejo?”

    If someone’s coming up, it may as well be a guy who’s earned it. He’s been pitching great while Melancon is letting 2+ guys per inning on base as the International League hits .300 off of him.

  15. Patrick June 17th, 2010 at 9:20 am

    Chambliss,

    The start before the Sox Moyer pitched a complete game. Being that he’s 47 yrs old it takes him longer to recover and he simply wasn’t ready for the Sox.

  16. randy l. June 17th, 2010 at 9:20 am

    mtu-

    june business up 20%, but too early to tell if it’s a trend. still not back to pre fall 2008 levels though.

    this time of the year, i don’t have the time to post regularly , but i keep an eye on the blog during breaks in the action.

    i said way back when posada went down and when granderson was still out that if the yankees stayed 10 games above .500 when june 20th came, they’d be fine.

    they’re 17 games above .500 so needless to say, the yankees are in good shape and playing well.

  17. Erin June 17th, 2010 at 9:20 am

    Patrick June 17th, 2010 at 9:18 am

    ?He gone!?

    - Hawk Harrelson

    ****************************
    Ugh. Patrick, are you trying to torture me??? Don’t EVER quote Hawk. ;)

  18. Bret the Hitman June 17th, 2010 at 9:21 am

    Billy D,

    Melancon is looking like a bust. It happens.

    What is he, like 25?

  19. GreenBeret7 June 17th, 2010 at 9:22 am

    GreenBeret7 June 17th, 2010 at 9:19 am
    Patrick June 17th, 2010 at 8:58 am
    Erin that would have been bad if A-rod got hurt but if we are to believe what he said in the interview – that he didn’t run hard because it wasn’t a close game, that’s unacceptable.

    I’d be worried but okay with it if he had said that he felt something in his hip and had to slow up. But there’s never an excuse for not going 100%.

    ———————————————————————————————————————-

    Did you see where Werth picked the ball up at? Rodriguez had no chance of scoring. The goal was getting the tying run to the plate, not giving Cano another RBI. Gardner may have been able to score, but, it would have been too close to chance. Rodriguez’ run meant absolutely nothing.

  20. GreenBeret7 June 17th, 2010 at 9:23 am

    GreenBeret7 June 17th, 2010 at 9:21 am
    Chambliss June 17th, 2010 at 9:16 am
    I find it odd that Moyer went 1+ innings in his last start and gave up 9 hits and 9 runs against the Red Sox, and then he blinds the Yankees in his very next start. Moyer is a nibbler, and it seemed like he was getting a lot of borderline pitches last night. It also seemed as if the Yankees were swinging early in the count and hitting line drives or long fly balls quite often.

    Oh well. One game. Can’t get too bent out of shape. Take it tonight and win another series.

    ———————————————————————————————————————-

    I agree. I’ve never seen any other pitcher have that happen to them. A freak happening. No chance that it will ever happen again.

  21. Shame Spencer June 17th, 2010 at 9:23 am

    MTU and Keepin it real – thanks for the breakdowns.

    I wonder why AJ stays away from his change so much. Do you guys think its more about his lack of confidence in the pitch or stubbornness? Or maybe he just doesnt trust he can locate it as well..?

  22. MTU (aka GBURL) June 17th, 2010 at 9:24 am

    Randy-

    Glad buisness is improved.

    Good to know your evil eye is out there even though you haven’t had time to post.

    Not worried about the Yankees at all Randy as long as they stay healthy. :)

  23. SJ44 June 17th, 2010 at 9:24 am

    I think too many fans, especially the younger clowns in the game threads, overreact to each game. For some of them its inning by inning but, that’s another story.

    When your starting pitcher puts you in a five run hole by the third inning, it changes the way the opposing pitchers works hitters. It also forces hitters to get out of their game plan.

    Last night, Moyer had the benefit of a five run early lead, a generous strikezone, and he took advantage of it. That’s the way it goes.

    I think trying to “predict” how the Yankees will fare against a certain pitcher is what gets the children on here messed up.

    They “predicted” Moyer would get lit up because he got lit up in his last start. Which has nothing to do with THIS start.

    The night before, I didn’t see anybody “predict” the Yankees would hit 3 HR’s and score 6 runs in 6 innings off Halladay.

    Its baseball people. Stuff happens each day and you deal with it and move onto the next day.

    No deeper analysis is needed.

    They win tonight, they win another series.

    In the end, that’s what its all about.

  24. Billy D June 17th, 2010 at 9:25 am

    Bret:

    Melancon is 25. Probably to soon to say bust though. Expectations, especially among the fans, were grossly inflated, IMO. Still time for him to become an effective MLB reliever.

  25. upstate kate June 17th, 2010 at 9:25 am

    that is sweet, NYYROC

    The guys on the post game (Leiter, Flaherty, Curry) made a good point. They said that since AJ had put the team in such a hole, the Yankee hitters were too aggressive against Moyer. Their feeling was that in a closer game, the hitters would have been more patient.

  26. Patrick June 17th, 2010 at 9:26 am

    Ugh. Patrick, are you trying to torture me??? Don’t EVER quote Hawk.

    Aww I think he’s hilarious

  27. MTU (aka GBURL) June 17th, 2010 at 9:27 am

    Shame-

    It’s just a guess but I’d say stubborness. He threw it in ST and it was an effective pitch.

    Just keeps it in his back pocket and rarely brings it out. Even when he could use it.

  28. SJ44 June 17th, 2010 at 9:27 am

    As far as AJ, he is what he is at this point in his career.

    He can be great or awful…..sometimes in the same inning.

    Consistent? That’s the fleeting thing with AJ.

    Rich in NJ said it best last night…..

    He’s the most expensive #5 pitcher in baseball history.

    Just not a guy you can rely on.

    Which, on this team, if he can give them innings, is ok on most nights.

    Last night just wasn’t one of them.

  29. Erin June 17th, 2010 at 9:28 am

    Patrick June 17th, 2010 at 9:26 am
    Ugh. Patrick, are you trying to torture me??? Don’t EVER quote Hawk.

    ?

    Aww I think he?s hilarious

    ***************************
    I’m guessing you don’t live in Chicago.

  30. Bret the Hitman June 17th, 2010 at 9:28 am

    How is our friend JJ Putz faring right now?

    Still healthy?

    Throwing well?

  31. upstate kate June 17th, 2010 at 9:29 am

    not second guessing or complaining but here is a line up question…why Russo instead of Nino at 3rd last night?
    OK, I will admit it, its for purposes of GTLU.

  32. Billy D June 17th, 2010 at 9:32 am

    Bret:

    Putz hasn’t given up a run in a month. That’s over 11 appearances and 11 2/3 innings. Struck out 13 and walked 1 over that period.

  33. Ron June 17th, 2010 at 9:32 am

    For years, Yankees have had problems hitting soft tossing pitchers; it could be a veteran or a young kid the other team brings up. The slower the pitch coming at them, the more difficulty the Yankees lineup has. It goes back years now & it’s ridiculous.

  34. vinny-b (Brett Gardner will never see the bench again) June 17th, 2010 at 9:32 am

    “Melancon is looking like a bust. It happens”
    —————————————————–

    but i though Melancon was better than David Robinson?

    a poster on this site, promised this was a certified fact. Not able to remember who the poster was, though

  35. Shame Spencer June 17th, 2010 at 9:33 am

    I agree, consistency has been AJs issue his entire career and unfortunately its a label he won’t be able to shake. It kinda makes you wonder though, if he was more receptive to tweeking his approach, what a fantastic pitcher he could be on a more regular basis. I’m not really complaining though, since while his performance may not be consistent his numbers tend to be.

    I think the more frustrating thing is that lack of a 3rd pitch, which he seems to have but doesnt like to throw. In ST, I thought he even talked about trying to use it more, so I wonder what happens on game day when he considers his game plan.

  36. Damon enjoy 27....think 28 June 17th, 2010 at 9:34 am

    Today Robertson, Marte and MO are good to go. Mitre hurt his obliques taking batting practice, so how long he’s out is any ones guess.

  37. Damon enjoy 27....think 28 June 17th, 2010 at 9:34 am

    Today Robertson, Marte and MO are good to go. Mitre hurt his obliques taking batting practice, so how long he’s out is any ones guess.

  38. Patrick June 17th, 2010 at 9:34 am

    “june business up 20%, but too early to tell if it’s a trend.”

    Good to hear randy, hope it continues going well for you.

    “I’m guessing you don’t live in Chicago.”

    Correct. And just for the record, I find Hawk hilarious in the “so bad it’s funny” kind of way.

  39. MTU (aka GBURL) June 17th, 2010 at 9:36 am

    Shame-

    “so I wonder what happens on game day when he considers his game plan.”

    That part of the problem is not in the arm but between his ears. :)

  40. Erin June 17th, 2010 at 9:38 am

    Patrick June 17th, 2010 at 9:34 am

    Correct. And just for the record, I find Hawk hilarious in the ?so bad it?s funny? kind of way

    ***********************************
    Take out the words “so”, “it’s” and “funny” and replace “so” with unbelievably and that’s how I feel about Hawk. ;)

  41. vinny-b (Brett Gardner will never see the bench again) June 17th, 2010 at 9:40 am

    anyone who enjoys Hawk Harrelson, may like living in the South.

    lot of people who are just like him. Most, actually

  42. LGY June 17th, 2010 at 9:41 am

    I just don’t understand why so many people are absolutely in shock that a pitcher who has hung around MLB for 25 years could actually pitch a good game.

    You don’t last that long in this game if you can’t pitch.

    Like SJ said, win tonight and the Yankees had another successful 3 game set.

    There is no win/loss record against Jamie Moyer tiebreaker for a playoff spot.

  43. SJ44 June 17th, 2010 at 9:44 am

    AJ has been receptive to changes. Earlier in the year, he was throwing his two seamer effectively and getting outs with it.

    Last night, he just zoned out on the mound. It was a little surreal to watch.

    He just stopped competing.

    To his credit, he manned up about it in the post-game and talked about how bad his lack of concentration was the entire evening.

    Every player is different. CC can go out without his best stuff and find a way to give you 7 innings and keep the team in the game.

    AJ seems to be a guy that has to have good things happen early in games to get him to keep his focus throughout.

    He’s fortunate to be on such a talented team that, at least on most nights, can cover for his flaws.

    I’d still take him on my team. I just don’t overestimate his role in the overall success of the team.

    Good, not great pitcher, not a guy I ever want to throw in a deciding playoff game.

  44. GreenBeret7 June 17th, 2010 at 9:45 am

    vinny-b (Brett Gardner will never see the bench again) June 17th, 2010 at 9:40 am
    anyone who enjoys Hawk Harrelson, may like living in the South.

    lot of people who are just like him. Most, actually

    ———————————————————————————————————————-

    NY and the north and west have more than their fair share of idiots. The south doesn’t have a stranglehold on stupidity. You can read this board for further proof.

  45. ac1 June 17th, 2010 at 9:46 am

    i think the main reason people are so upset about last night is because Boston smacked Moyer around like he was nothing. But Yankees still with the best record in baseball and Pettitte looking to shut the FAILies down tonight.

  46. Shame Spencer June 17th, 2010 at 9:46 am

    MTU – AJ is definitely a headcase in a lot of respects. I guess we just resign ourselves to the fact that he’s crazy but he’ll still have a good number of wins and an ERA around 4 by the end of the year. *sigh* ..the life of a Yankee fan..

  47. MTU (aka GBURL) June 17th, 2010 at 9:47 am

    SJ-

    You said it before. Most expensive #5 in baseball.

    He is very talented and can give you a lights out game when he’s on.

    It’s just what happens when he isn’t that makes you worry.

    He has always been inconsistent and it isn’t changing now.

    Thank goodness he has at least stayed healthy. :)

  48. Patrick June 17th, 2010 at 9:48 am

    I think fans have to just accept that A.J. is not a great pitcher. He’s good, but not great. I’d peg him at slightly above average.

    I wouldn’t be surprised if he’s the fifth best starter on the staff by the end of the season.

  49. 86w183 June 17th, 2010 at 9:51 am

    Still it’s really hard to understand how a guy with AJ’s level of experience can be so brain dead at times and so overwhelmingly stubborn about utilizing his changeup.

    For the life of me I can’t understand how Moyer gets anyone out. I also can’t understand not working counts and bunting on a guy who was born during JFK’s presidency!

    Oh well. It’s another day and Rays lost last night too

  50. SJ44 June 17th, 2010 at 9:52 am

    LGY,

    Its the radar gun freaks. They associate pitching success with the radar gun. The last thing one should do when evaluating pitchers.

    Its also the children who are fixated with everything Boston Red Sox.

    If the Red Sox hit a pitcher, the Yankees have to hit him better or they aren’t as good as the Red Sox.

    If the Red Sox win a game coming from behind, the Yankees have to overcome a larger deficit or they aren’t as good as the Red Sox.

    These folks haven’t looked at the standings lately.

    Its just how some folks view the game.

    Not the way you or I, or most rational thinking individuals view it but, its just the way it goes.

  51. Doreen - GTLU Stuff & Photos June 17th, 2010 at 9:52 am

    Time to go to my tennis lesson. Where I am learning about mechanics, trying to repeat proper mechanics, and how to deal with the frustration of hitting one ball perfectly and the next – well, @$!@#!!!.

    :lol:

    See you later.

  52. GreenBeret7 June 17th, 2010 at 9:54 am

    Burnett will be and do what he’s always been and done. He’ll run a string of 7-8 very good games, followed by 4-5 straight bad games and then find it again. In the end, he’ll be about 13-9 and an ERA of around 3.90-4.00.

  53. LGY June 17th, 2010 at 9:54 am

    “I tell you what, Cano is the best hitter in the league right now. He is the MVP of the first half for sure. I really wonder if shipping his buddy out has helped him focus.”

    —————————————–

    Halfway through this post I went from :) to :mad: :mad: :mad:

    Why can’t Cano just be a great hitter entering his prime and putting it all together? I don’t think people realize how much of a backhanded compliment this is.

  54. Patrick June 17th, 2010 at 9:55 am

    It’s all mental toughness. Some guys have it, some don’t. It’s just as genetic as being able to throw a 95 mph fastball.

    A.J. Burnett will never be as mentally strong as say Greg Maddux, he’s just not wired that way.

  55. ac1 June 17th, 2010 at 9:56 am

    For the life of me I can’t understand how Moyer gets anyone out. I also can’t understand not working counts and bunting on a guy who was born during JFK’s presidency!

    __

    This is some of the frustration too. Moyer is apparently good, but something must be deceiving on TV, because those look like softballs he was throwing.

  56. GreenBeret7 June 17th, 2010 at 9:56 am

    Doreen – GTLU Stuff & Photos June 17th, 2010 at 9:52 am
    Time to go to my tennis lesson. Where I am learning about mechanics, trying to repeat proper mechanics, and how to deal with the frustration of hitting one ball perfectly and the next – well, @$!@#!!!.

    See you later.

    ———————————————————————————————————————-

    Hope you score some birdies, eagles and home runs, Doreen.

  57. blake June 17th, 2010 at 9:56 am

    I understand why folks get frustrated with AJ but it really should be no surprise at this point. Just as it should be no surprise if he goes out and throws 8 shutout innings in his next outing. People see the talent and think he should dominate every Game, problem is that a repeatable delivery is also an important talent/skill as well and AJ just doesn’t always have that…its not because he’s gutless or a mental midget as some like to suggest…he just has a complex delivery that is very prone to malfunction and admitted concentration lapses.

  58. ac1 June 17th, 2010 at 9:58 am

    AJ needs to just pitch out of the stretch all the time. Easier delivery to repeat, and will actually hold a runner on.

  59. ac1 June 17th, 2010 at 9:59 am

    ok and i realize that the runners on idea is dumb because obviously he IS in the stretch if someone is on.

  60. Patrick June 17th, 2010 at 9:59 am

    AJ needs to just pitch out of the stretch all the time. Easier delivery to repeat, and will actually hold a runner on.

    That doesn’t make sense. He pitches out of the stretch when men are on base and can’t hold them on. Why would pitching out of the stretch with nobody on base hold runners on?

  61. LGY June 17th, 2010 at 10:00 am

    SJ,

    I think CB said it best last night.

    The Yankees are the standard for excellence. They are the standard to be held to.

    But for some reason, so many Yankee fans make the Red Sox the standard. The RS win 1 world series in 86 years in 04 and suddenly they are the model for success.

  62. vey June 17th, 2010 at 10:00 am

    Thank you for saying that. It was brought to my attention last year by a Doctor friend of mind, that AJ showed classic signs of Attention Deficit. He noticed what seemed to be a gap in his focus. I thought that an odd when he said it, but makes sense after his postgame.

  63. Patrick June 17th, 2010 at 10:00 am

    Haha I responded too soon ac1.

  64. Bret the Hitman June 17th, 2010 at 10:01 am

    I believe Francisco Cervelli is really earning more playing time. He’s going to be tough to oust from behind the plate. He’s a better hitter than any DH on this team not named Jorge Posada and none of them should be playing ahead of Cervelli. His defense is solid and he’s a great situational hitter as others have stated earlier.

  65. blake June 17th, 2010 at 10:03 am

    I’d equate Moyer last night with a knuckleballer who on a given night can baffle a lineup.

    Its the same reason I popped everything up when I played softball right after college….the pitches looked huge and I’d swing thinking I was going to kill it and would pop it up. Moyer knows how to use that 82 MPH fastball to his advantage by getting gets to swing when they Normally wouldn’t. He’s a smart guy and changes speeds well…now of the Yankees faced him again they may light him up like a Christmas tree but for last night he had them totally off balance….one of those games.

  66. ac1 June 17th, 2010 at 10:03 am

    Patrick June 17th, 2010 at 10:00 am
    Haha I responded too soon ac1.

    __

    I caught it as it was being sent. My bad. But it should be an easier motion to repeat.

  67. Patrick from CT June 17th, 2010 at 10:04 am

    Didn’t AJ say that he was going to take Joba under is wing last year?
    Young Joba and AJ are a lot alike; lights out stuff, but they stick if they don’t have their head in the game.

    Watching Moyer last night makes me believe Andy’s got lots of years left. I’m going to retract my comment yesterday when I said I think Andy will retire at the end of the season. The only way I see Andy hanging it up is if he get’s hurt.

  68. RS June 17th, 2010 at 10:04 am

    What does mental toughness have to do with commanding a fastball?

    Moyer is a lot like Tim Wakefield now. He may get torched in one start, but can come back and pitch 8 strong innings his next outing.

  69. SJ44 June 17th, 2010 at 10:06 am

    LGY,

    I think you can draw that line at a certain age. Some of these kids act as if 2004 was last year. Its mostly the 12-18 year olds on the site that are so fixated on the Red Sox.

    I don’t even think they realize the Yankees are the Defending World Champions and are currently tied for the best record in baseball.

    They get so emotional once the game starts, rational thinking goes out the window.

    Every win means they will never lose again.

    Every loss means, blow up the team, fire Cashman, and make IMMEDIATE trades.

    Its both funny and sad at the same time.

  70. SJ44 June 17th, 2010 at 10:09 am

    RS,

    I think where mental toughness sets in is, not getting down on yourself if you can’t command the fastball early in games.

    With AJ, he doesn’t have his “heater” (as he calls it), he doesn’t seem to be mentally tough enough to go to the two seamer, curveball and changeup, and work around it to try and get outs.

    He just starts overthrowing the “heater”, it bleeds over the heart of the plate, gets hammered, and he gets down on himself. Then, things really unravel.

    I think that’s where mental toughness, and his lack of it at times, hurts him.

  71. NYYROC June 17th, 2010 at 10:17 am

    AJ’s pitches must be pretty tough to command because nothing he throws goes straight. I bet he misses the clothes hamper at home too. His wife is probably scrambling more than Posada, always picking up after him! :) It’s a blessing and a curse. When he’s on he’s great but when he is off he is usually way off.

  72. Shame Spencer June 17th, 2010 at 10:20 am

    AJ and Joba comparisons.. ugh!! If it wasn’t so true, itd be funny.

  73. pat June 17th, 2010 at 10:22 am

    Many people who get paid to evaluate baseball players indicate that AJs mechanics are his blessing and his curse.

    All the moving parts when he has command is what makes him unhittable but when the moving parts- big looping arm and rotation of his upper torso, get out of whack it makes it hard for him to know which correction needs to be made because there are multiple choices.

  74. upstate kate June 17th, 2010 at 10:24 am

    It does seem that for whatever reason, once AJ loses it, he really loses it. And even when AJ is good, he can be wild. Part of the whole AJ package.
    CC, Andy and Phil seem to be better able to limit the damage, even on their bad outings.

  75. Flash June 17th, 2010 at 10:26 am

    Mark Mellonball and Jonathan Alphabetto both suck.

  76. ron June 17th, 2010 at 10:26 am

    From what i understand listening to leiter is that the harder you throw can change how the ball moves,tighness or softness of the grip,release point,shoulder opening up,etc…

    On yes last night they said burnett’s era pitching out of the stretch is like 1 & change compared to over 3 with nobody on.

    Why not have him pitch out of the stretch??

  77. Phil Columbus June 17th, 2010 at 10:28 am

    Good AJ or bad AJ? As long as he is in the Yankee rotation the Yanks will have to live with it and hope you get more good than bad. To me it seems that when AJ is pitching he has so much movement and has no clue as to where it is going. Reminds me of playing with one of those wiffle balls that had holes on half of it. You never knew how much it was going to move. Hate the fact that the Yanks lost last night, but gotta give Moyer credit. 47 years old and 265 wins. The old man is a pitcher. Reminds me of Tommy John and Jim Kaat. Now let our old man get the win tonight. Don’t have to worry about Andy losing focus. I wonder if AJ would listen to Andy?

  78. Joe from Long Island June 17th, 2010 at 10:28 am

    Good morning, all –

    AJ lost it last night, but what made it really rough here were the twits. I think it’s a combo of deliberate trolls, and kids who don’t know what long-term means, and who are also suffering from ESPN-toxicity (holding everything Red Sox dear).

    You just want to smack some sense into them. lol

    Unfortunate, but, as Bret suggested last night, the best thing to do is to not engage them, as it only makes them think that they are saying something worthy of discussion.

    Kind of reminds me of some of my stepson’s friends when he was in high school lol!

  79. GreenBeret7 June 17th, 2010 at 10:29 am

    I’d like to see Burnett try to pitch from a true no-windup. Not to be confused from pitching from the stretch. Kaat and Stan Bahnsen used it in the early 70s with the White Sox with great success. Makes for a very compact delivery, no wasted motion, no excess energy expended. Don Larsen had the same great arm as Burnett, but, it was that no-windup that made him a much better pitcher…..beyond the perfect game.

  80. Joe from Long Island June 17th, 2010 at 10:30 am

    As far as the Chad’s suggestion of demoting Logan to bring up a fresh arm – I think that’s a call that Joe has to make, couple with how likely they think Andy will need a longman tonight. If Logan can come back by Friday, it may be moot.

  81. Joe from Long Island June 17th, 2010 at 10:30 am

    GB – interesting thought about the no-windup.

    Back to work now.

  82. SJ44 June 17th, 2010 at 10:31 am

    Pitching from the stretch all the time isn’t the answer. He also can’t hold runners from the stretch so, its not exactly the best thing for him to work from the stretch, even with nobody on base.

    A pitcher has to be able to pitch out of the windup if he is going to be a starting pitcher.

    If he can’t, then he can’t be in the starting rotation. Especially for a guy like AJ, who generates so much movement and velocity throwing from the windup.

  83. Erin June 17th, 2010 at 10:32 am

    upstate kate June 17th, 2010 at 10:24 am

    CC, Andy and Phil seem to be better able to limit the damage, even on their bad outings.

    ************************
    kate, for the most part, AJ has been able to limit the damage this year. At least it seems like he’s better at it this year than he was last year. I guess it just wasn’t his night. lol

  84. ron June 17th, 2010 at 10:32 am

    Flneeryy also said some of the phillies hitters were hitting from their heels like they knew what was coming & questioned wether pitching out of the stretch would hide the ball more & make it easier for burnett to repeat his delivery.

  85. Flash June 17th, 2010 at 10:32 am

    Burnett is what he is. At least if he’s healthy he gives you a better chance of winning than not.

  86. Shame Spencer June 17th, 2010 at 10:34 am

    Question from someone that has never pitched: If AJ is inconsistent from the wind up, would he find a way to be inconsistent pitching from the stretch? What about pitching from the stretch gives pitchers a better handle on their mechanics?

  87. Apple byte June 17th, 2010 at 10:35 am

    As for the lefthanded pitchers in the Yankee bullpen, Marte is clearly a situational lefty, Logan can go an inning plus as seen last night.
    Royce Ring is similar to Logan for his usage but has yet to be given a chance because of not being on the 40 man roster.

  88. ron June 17th, 2010 at 10:35 am

    Flannery,sorry.

  89. Shame Spencer June 17th, 2010 at 10:35 am

    ..”questioned wether pitching out of the stretch would hide the ball more”

    Ron may have already answered me.

  90. Patrick from CT June 17th, 2010 at 10:35 am

    Park, Robertson, Joba, and Mo are all ready for tonight. No need for another arm today. If Andy gets lit up then maybe they bring up someone Friday.

  91. Phil Columbus June 17th, 2010 at 10:37 am

    Donnie Collins seems to think that Jonathan Albladejo deserves another shot with the big club. Would like to see it if Logan goes back today.

    http://blogs.thetimes-tribune.com/yankees/?p=5178

  92. Patrick from CT June 17th, 2010 at 10:37 am

    I forgot Marte too. 5 guys down in the pen that didn’t pitch last night. Look for Andy to go 6+ and the Yanks to win 8-4…

  93. GreenBeret7 June 17th, 2010 at 10:40 am

    I’d prefer that they recall Nova over Albaladejo or Ring.

  94. ron June 17th, 2010 at 10:40 am

    I don’t know a ton about it but when kay,flannery & leiter mentioned that burnett’s era is a lot lower with aj pitching out of the stretch it was interesting.

    Leiter did not rule it out wich i find interesting & he was a pitcher in the majors.

  95. SJ44 June 17th, 2010 at 10:40 am

    He doesn’t hide the ball more pitching from the stretch.

    When his front shoulder is closed from the windup, its much tougher for hitters to pick up the ball. That’s actually when he is at his best. Pitching from the stretch doesn’t help AJ.

    In fact, it sometimes flattens out the four seamer and that’s when he gets hammered.

    He’s a guy with complicated mechanics. That said, he’s pitching like he has always pitched in his career. Inconsistent.

    That’s who he is. Its not a knock on him. Its just who he is as a pitcher.

    At 33, they can’t remake that. They can’t turn him into Jamie Moyer.

    Its basically working with what they have with him and trying to clean up some of his mechanics prior to his next start.

    With the way he is, he may pitch a 3 hit shutout the next time out. You never know.

  96. SJ44 June 17th, 2010 at 10:44 am

    That’s a small sample size and not an accurate one.

    Look at his entire career. The fact is, he pitches better out of the windup than the stretch.

    Guys say anything on a broadcast to keep things interesting.

    His mechanics aren’t getting cleaner pitching out of the stretch.

    If it was that easy, he wouldn’t have as many meltdowns since he’s not only giving up solo HR’s. He gives up plenty of hits with guys on base pitching from the stretch.

  97. pat June 17th, 2010 at 10:44 am

    Patrick-

    I saw the YES postgame interview with Alex last night and the quote you had in the last thread had other ones around it that gave it context.

  98. GreenBeret7 June 17th, 2010 at 10:46 am

    Forget Nova for the time being. he just pitched 8 innings on Tuesday

  99. NYYROC June 17th, 2010 at 10:48 am

    ron, I think you mean Flahrety! :)

  100. Patrick June 17th, 2010 at 10:50 am

    Of course A.J. can pitch out of the stretch 100% of the time. A starting pitcher doesn’t need to throw out of the windup. Obviously there’s a reason why everyone does it – helps rhythm, keeps mechanics consistent, maybe adds some deception or helps hide the ball more.

    But from a pure physics standpoint, a pitcher doesn’t generate any more velocity or movement pitching out of a windup.

  101. pat June 17th, 2010 at 10:56 am

    Derek may have the female 18-34 demographic covered but the “silver hairs” seem to prefer their guys gritty and gutty. :wink:

    From NY Post:

    “The octogenarians love Yankees outfielder Brett Gardner. At an appearance sponsored by Popchips at Duane Reade at 61st and Lexington Avenue, an elderly woman came up to him and gave him a batch of homemade cookies in exchange for two autographed baseballs for her grandkids. “She said, ‘I am a huge fan, I made you some cookies so you can kick Philly’s butt,’ ” a witness recounted. “Gardner laughed, said thank you, then signed her balls.”

  102. champ809 June 17th, 2010 at 10:57 am

    The talk about pitching from the stretch for AJ comes from looking at his splits where his baa from the stretch is like .190 whereas from the windup it’s about .300….

    AJ just needs to commit himself to improving his mechanics and professionalism and earn his paycheck…

    As strange as it sounds he needs to learn from Hughes to become a better pitcher

  103. Erin June 17th, 2010 at 11:00 am

    New Post: Trophy on display at Yogi Berra Museum

    :arrow:

  104. SJ44 June 17th, 2010 at 11:00 am

    He does Patrick. Look at his numbers.

    When he’s right, he throws his four seamer harder out of the windup than the stretch.

    Since he’s only a 2 pitch pitcher, I don’t see the value of reducing his effectiveness by 50%.

    If pitching out of the stretch was a solution to his inconsistency issues, it would have been done years ago.

    When he’s bad, he’s bad. Doesn’t matter if it’s from the windup or stretch.

  105. 86w183 June 17th, 2010 at 11:03 am

    No reason to make a roster move because Logan and Gaudin need a day or two. Robertson and Park had yesterday off. Joba, Mariano and Marte have had three days off and all need to throw today anyway.

  106. Patrick June 17th, 2010 at 11:04 am

    SJ44,

    I don’t know of any website that will show velocity numbers for stretch vs windup. Link please?

    My point is that from a physics standpoint, the windup adds zero movement or velocity.

  107. Ace June 17th, 2010 at 11:08 am

    AJ will have starts like this. Just have to deal with it.

  108. Ace June 17th, 2010 at 11:09 am

    The reason u have to a move is u don’t want to burn thru guys like Mo in a blowout ton. That’s y Logan goes down today. U protect ur better guys

  109. GreenBeret7 June 17th, 2010 at 11:12 am

    champ809 June 17th, 2010 at 10:57 am
    The talk about pitching from the stretch for AJ comes from looking at his splits where his baa from the stretch is like .190 whereas from the windup it’s about .300….

    AJ just needs to commit himself to improving his mechanics and professionalism and earn his paycheck…

    As strange as it sounds he needs to learn from Hughes to become a better pitcher

    ———————————————————————————————————————-

    So, now Burnett’s not professional and doesn’t earn his paycheck? Typical BS.

  110. Zach S June 17th, 2010 at 12:14 pm

    The Marlins just desginated Pinto for assignment, and as a fish fan (their my NL team) I beg the Yankees not to pick him up. He’s a lefty with decent numbers, but horrible in clutch situations.


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