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Pregame notes: Posada making progress

Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Notes on Jun 17, 2010 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

Astros Yankees BaseballJorge Posada is not sure when he’ll be able to catch back-to-back games, but his foot felt better last night than it did on Sunday, and it feels strong enough today that he could catch if necessary.

“I can’t really get ahead of myself,” Posada said. “Just one day at a time for me now. I could play. I could catch. I’m just not catching.”

Before batting practice, Chad Moeller went through catching drills with Tony Pena. Other than that, he doesn’t seem likely to see much action in the near future, but he’ll stay here until the Yankees are convinced Posada is nearly 100 percent

“My thoughts are, you have to feel that he’s out of the woods,” Joe Girardi said. “That he can catch a game without experiencing what he’s experiencing now.”

The Yankees have four more days before they travel out west to play in National League parks. At that point, Girardi won’t have the option of DHing either Posada or Alex Rodriguez. There is an off day between the Diamondback and Dodgers series, though.

“You’re looking at three days in a row at the most on that road trip after we lose our DH,” Girardi said.

Astros Yankees Baseball• When the Yankees do make a move to drop their third catcher, Girardi said he will add a position player, not a pitcher. “I imagine we would stay with the 12-man pitching staff,” he said.

• Girardi said Alex Rodriguez feels better today, but Girardi’s still not ready to put him in the field. “I know he’s going to take ground balls today,” Girardi said. “We’ll just check with him tomorrow and see how he feels… More of it is him having the confidence that he can make the necessary moves that he needs to make.”

• As for Rodriguez taking it easy running the bases yesterday: “To me I take that as being pretty smart actually,” Girardi said. “If he gets into second, we’re still down three runs. His run doesn’t really mean anything.”

• Nick Johnson is still a long way from swinging a bat. “I have not been given a date when he’s going to pick up a bat, and usually that’s when I know we’re getting close,” Girardi said.

• Alfredo Aceves, though, is getting closer to getting on a mound. Girardi said there’s still no date scheduled for him to throw in the bullpen, but he’s able to play catch without pain. “He’s been playing catch and so far he feels OK,” Girardi said. “They’ll just continue building the distance and the intensity of it.”

• Girardi’s not worried about his bullpen depth tonight and didn’t rule out the idea of using Boone Logan. He said there was no real thought given to bringing up a pitcher

PHILLIES
Shane Victorino CF
Chase Utley 2B
Placido Polanco 3B
Ryan Howard 1B
Jayson Werth RF
Raul Ibanez LF
Ben Francisco DH
Carlos Ruiz C
Wilson Valdez SS

Associated Press photos of Posada and Rodriguez, talking to Ramiro Pena.

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55 Responses to “Pregame notes: Posada making progress”

  1. Erica in NY June 17th, 2010 at 5:41 pm

    Leaving work. Got stuff to do…

    Won’t be back until towards the end of the game

  2. SMK June 17th, 2010 at 5:41 pm

    You want to get excited about Ace, but that back can go at any time.

    Hopefully that time isn’t until after October.

    Come back soon, Ace. The team needs you.

  3. ny fans June 17th, 2010 at 5:42 pm

    wat is the starting lineup for tonight for the yankees

  4. vinny-b (Brett Gardner will never see the bench again) June 17th, 2010 at 5:43 pm

    give Nick Swisher the official #2 slot in the lineup, the rest of the year

  5. Chip June 17th, 2010 at 5:46 pm

    Wave Your Hat June 17th, 2010 at 5:39 pm
    Chip,

    As I mentioned above, if you lose a DH, you can always find another. If you lose Jorge at catcher, he can?t be replaced. Short term Cervelli, Pena, Russo, Huffman are much of a muchness, but the Yanks will go out and get another hitter to DH for them.
    ———————–

    So instead you risk losing Posada long term by continuing to run him out there behind the plate everyday despite every indication that his body can’t handle the workload?

  6. vinny-b (Brett Gardner will never see the bench again) June 17th, 2010 at 5:46 pm

    Montero
    Romine
    Heathcott
    Nunez
    Brackman
    Ramirez
    Banuelos

  7. ny fans June 17th, 2010 at 5:48 pm

    no posada as DH and cervelli catch arod third

  8. Chip June 17th, 2010 at 5:50 pm

    Doreen – GTLU Stuff & Photos June 17th, 2010 at 5:43 pm
    It?s really not productive to force people to do things when they?re not quite ready to do them ? in any walk of life.
    —————–

    Doreen –

    It’s Girardi’s job to do what’s best for the team. What’s best for the Yankees is having Jorge in the lineup everyday. Whatever Girardi has to do to achieve that is what he should do. Jorge’s ego should be secondary.

  9. SJ44 June 17th, 2010 at 5:54 pm

    Its not about Jorge’s ego. You keep saying something that isn’t true.

    Joe Girardi wants him to catch. He has free reign to make out the lineup any way he wants.

    Why does Girardi still want Posada to catch if it isn’t in the best interests of the team?

    He wants him to catch because he knows the Yankees are a better team when he is behind the plate.

    Cervelli has barely hit .200 for the past month. He’s not an everyday catcher and Girardi knows it.

    He knows he has to manage the situation to balance keeping Jorge fresh enough to catch 3-4, days a week because he knows it makes the Yankees a better team.

    If he didn’t feel that way, he wouldn’t be trying to keep Posada at catcher. He would just make him the fulltime DH.

  10. Apple byte June 17th, 2010 at 5:57 pm

    Regardless of when Aceves returns, he’ll have back surgery in the offseason.

  11. Chip June 17th, 2010 at 6:01 pm

    SJ44 June 17th, 2010 at 5:54 pm
    Its not about Jorge?s ego. You keep saying something that isn?t true.

    Joe Girardi wants him to catch. He has free reign to make out the lineup any way he wants.

    Why does Girardi still want Posada to catch if it isn?t in the best interests of the team?

    He wants him to catch because he knows the Yankees are a better team when he is behind the plate.
    —————–

    For the last time (hopefully)

    I agree that the Yankees are at their best when Jorge is behind the plate. Unfortunately that doesn’t seem to be physically possible.

    So you tell me oh great and powerful baseball guru; what is in the best interests of the Yankees:

    Jorge in the lineup everyday as a DH
    Jorge in and out of the lineup as a catcher dealing with nagging injuries

  12. Erin June 17th, 2010 at 6:02 pm

    Looks like Marte’s brushing up on his photography skills. :)

    http://www.daylife.com/photo/0.....?q=Yankees

  13. William Buckner June 17th, 2010 at 6:02 pm

    Posada is the anti-Rivera. Everyone know when Mo retires how badly he’ll be missed.

    So many Yankee fans dont acknowledge the same with Jorge…

    Since his career began, there was one year they missed post season – the year Jorge was hurt.

  14. G. Love June 17th, 2010 at 6:03 pm

    SJ,

    Here’s the problem with Jorge and what you’re saying about him. If the Yankees goal is to have him behind the plate that’s great. I want him there. Most of us who are rational want him there.

    Yet Jorge forced his way back on the active roster before he was ready to start catching again.

    Because of this the bench is short another player since Cashman has to carry Moeller.

    On top of this, Jorge can’t catch every day and is still in pain yet campaigns against DH’ing.

    Why is he on the roster then? He should be on a rehab assignment, no? If he doesn’t want to DH, he shouldn’t have been activated until he was fit to catch again.

    That’s the problem with Jorge’s desire not to DH. It’s the best role for him that allows him to play and rehab at this level, yet he doesn’t want to play that role.

    I understand he’s a gamer and a pro’s pro and a leader and I love him for that.

    But he should shut up about not liking to DH until he is fit to play behind the dish on a regular basis.

    All his complaining about DH’ing serves to do is make his manager and GM look bad in my opinion.

  15. Rishi June 17th, 2010 at 6:03 pm

    how long has Eiland been gone? just curious as to whether or not I missed an update.

  16. Jay June 17th, 2010 at 6:04 pm

    Rishi

    Since the Toronto series began

  17. Chip June 17th, 2010 at 6:06 pm

    That?s the problem with Jorge?s desire not to DH. It?s the best role for him that allows him to play and rehab at this level, yet he doesn?t want to play that role.
    ———————————
    bingo

  18. Rishi June 17th, 2010 at 6:10 pm

    Jay June 17th, 2010 at 6:04 pm
    Rishi

    Since the Toronto series began
    ========

    ah! I meant “planning” to be gone…

  19. m June 17th, 2010 at 6:11 pm

    At least Jorge is not pushing himself too hard here. He’s being honest with Joe G. and the writers. Good job.

  20. MTU (aka GBURL) June 17th, 2010 at 6:11 pm

    Blake/Chip-

    I listened to “Toes”. Liked it. But if you like that sort of music then you should be a huge Jimmy Buffet fan. :)

  21. Ace June 17th, 2010 at 6:12 pm

    This team needs posada. Cervelli is a good back up

  22. Jay June 17th, 2010 at 6:15 pm

    Rishi

    No reports as of yet. The only thing Joe said was “as long as he needs”. Nothing since then.

  23. Chip June 17th, 2010 at 6:15 pm

    MTU –

    I do enjoy me some Buffet.

  24. MTU (aka GBURL) June 17th, 2010 at 6:17 pm

    Chip-

    Similar style.

  25. Nick in SF in Larkspur June 17th, 2010 at 6:18 pm

    Jorge forced his way back? You mean by healing well enough to play at all? I didn’t know he had the authority to take himself off the DL and write his spot in the lineup.

    Tyler,

    I”ve been really distracted lately and haven’t given this whole football conference expansion business much thought, but I’m glad Texas and its pals didn’t bolt the Big 12 to join the Pac-10 — I think I said I was against it when we chatted about it a couple weeks ago.

    I’m ok with Colorado and Utah coming in if it’s so important to get to 12 teams and be able to have a conference championship. In the short term, it shouldn’t matter to Cal during the window of opportunity while U$C is being sanctioned; I’m not sure, but I don’t think the new conference alignment will be up and running until 2012. Hopefully it takes a little longer for U$C to get back in shape — or hopefully Kiffen is a flop there, although I know I’m supposed to want U$C to be a marquee program for the good of the conference. Bah.

    In the long term, more teams makes it tougher for Cal, but again the hope is that the whole conference benefits from the new size. We’ll see. So far the only reaction I’ve gotten from my buddies is a short text:

    “Utah? Just what we need — roadtrips to Provo. I think I’ll invite all my wives to the game.”

  26. Joe from Long Island June 17th, 2010 at 6:18 pm

    Hi all –

    Got home, and I’m watching the BP show while I make dinner.

    YES made a great decision when they signed Jack Curry. The guy has great national sources, knows the league as well as anyone, presents himself and his arguments well, and talks common sense. He doesn’t seem to have any personal agenda. Great journalist/analyst.

    I’d love to hear him covering a game, maybe with Bob Lorenz. Or even Kay when he’s on a good streak and not trying to be funny.

  27. Rishi June 17th, 2010 at 6:19 pm

    Thanks, Jay

  28. Bret the Hitman June 17th, 2010 at 6:21 pm

    The longer this goes on, the more I wonder if we’re seeing the beginning of the end of Posada’s time as the full-time catcher for the Yankees.

    Even before the foot thing, Cervelli was catching quite a bit.

    I know Girardi says he wants Jorge behind the plate and Jorge wants to be there as well but the reality of wear and tear on Posada might not make that wholly possible.

  29. G. Love June 17th, 2010 at 6:29 pm

    Nick,

    Jorge definitely forced his way back. He didn’t come back 100% healthy and ready to catch, did he? And if he didn’t want to DH, why did he come back not yet ready to catch?

    I mean, he must have told the Yankees he was good to go to get put back on the 25 man roster.

    The Yankees were smart enough to not waive Moeller. I think they knew Jorge needed more time, but they also knew that he was already proclaiming himself healthy to anyone who would listen.

    I know people like to say the Yankees would never let the player dictate such things to them, but Jorge is open enough in interviews that it appears he has a big say in how he’s handled.

    I know he’s earned that, but I think if he can’t catch without pain, he should happily be DH’ing since it keeps him in the game and contributing.

  30. Phil Columbus June 17th, 2010 at 6:30 pm

    Blake/Chip-

    I listened to “Toes”. Liked it. But if you like that sort of music then you should be a huge Jimmy Buffet fan.
    *************

    If you guys ever get the chance to catch a CMT show called Crossroads, they have one of Buffett and Zac Brown. It is worth watching those two perform together. Can catch reruns of the show on Palladia HD alot of times.

  31. Bret the Hitman June 17th, 2010 at 6:32 pm

    Country music makes me want to blow my brains out.

  32. MTU (aka GBURL) June 17th, 2010 at 6:33 pm

    bret-

    For me an even more interesting question is of the three young Catchers the Yankees have: Cervelli, Montero, and Romine who are they gonna keep and who are they gonna trade ?

    They probably will keep only 2 but which ones ?

  33. SJ44 June 17th, 2010 at 6:35 pm

    Tell you what I’d do chip….get him healthy enough to catch 3-4 days a week. Which they are doing.

    Having a guy who can’t hit for power and has hit .200 playing everyday behind the plate doesn’t make the Yankees a better team.

    Since when has Posada forced them to do anything?

    The player has no power as to when to get taken off the DL.

    The plan was always to DH him first then catch.

    Seems to me that’s what they are doing now.

  34. Tom in N.J. June 17th, 2010 at 6:37 pm

    Admittedly, I was away for a few days, but when has Jorge said, since he came of the DL, that he didn’t want to DH?

  35. Pat M. June 17th, 2010 at 6:37 pm

    Nick in SF…….Heading off to Staples in a few minutes……Tough lines tonight, but I’m all over the overs ( 186 )….I expect to see the Lakers just driving to the hole all night……I played LA – 7…..Money line -290……..NY Yankees – 225…

  36. MTU (aka GBURL) June 17th, 2010 at 6:37 pm

    Bret-

    “Country music makes me want to blow my brains out.”

    That would be Rap music for me. :)

  37. Bret the Hitman June 17th, 2010 at 6:38 pm

    MTU,

    I agree.

    It’s mind boggling to think of all the different scenarios with Cervelli, Romine and Montero.

    What if they only kept 1 and trade the other 2?

    Why would they do that?

    Because all 3 are worth more as trade chips to teams needing starting catchers than they are to the Yankees as backup catchers, DH’s or position players other than catchers.

    Meditate on that one :)

  38. MTU (aka GBURL) June 17th, 2010 at 6:41 pm

    Bret-

    I can meditate on it all day and all night for 2 weeks straight but I would still come to the inevitable conclusion that the Yanks will probably keep 2. One as the Primary the other the BU.

    What we fans think and what the Yankees do are usually 2 different things. ;)

  39. Doreen - GTLU Stuff & Photos June 17th, 2010 at 6:43 pm

    If ARod wasn’t hurt also, Jorge would be DHing tonight.

    This entire argument FOR TONIGHT is irrelevant. They don’t want JOrge to catch tonight. If ARod was healthy, he’d be playing third and no Pena in the lineup.

    Seems to me, they wanted Jorge’s bat in the lineup AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE, and he HAS been DH-ing. It’s not like JOrge’s not DH-ing at all. He’s not DH-ing tonight because they want ARod’s bat in the lineup more.

  40. Nick in SF in Larkspur June 17th, 2010 at 6:45 pm

    G. Love, it sure looks like Jorge is being pretty honest — and open — about his physical condition right now. Are you suggesting he was less than that to get himself put back on active duty?

    As you say, they’ve kept Moeller around and are easing Jorge back to catching duty very slowly, so I think the brain trust has a pretty good idea of what they’re doing, or at least what they’re trying to do, to get him healthy.

    They had the option of waiting until was ready to catch to bring him back and they opted have him come back to DH first. I have no real idea, but I think that decision was based more on needing his bat back in the lineup than on Jorge forcing their hand.

    Even if he’s the petulant whiner that some (no you) are painting him out to be, he’s not the one responsible for making the roster and lineup decisions.

    Maybe I’m being naive, but I think Jorge wanting to come back and help the team, which he has done, is a good thing. It might be a different story if he he really came back too early and ends up missing more time because of it, but that hasn’t happened yet.

    I know Moeller is taking up a roster spot right now, so I guess that’s the price that’s being paid to have Jorge back and less than 100%, but whether Jorge ‘forced’ the current situation or whether the brain trust weighed the pros and cons and opted for it themselves, it’s been working out pretty well since Jorge returned and he’s presumably getting closer to normal, so I don’t know what the problem is.

  41. Doreen - GTLU Stuff & Photos June 17th, 2010 at 6:45 pm

    JOrge never said “I don’t want to DH.” He talked about how it was a difficult transition, though.

  42. Bret the Hitman June 17th, 2010 at 6:45 pm

    I would still come to the inevitable conclusion that the Yanks will probably keep 2. One as the Primary the other the BU.
    ****************

    I’ve meditated on that scenario as well but then I imagine, “What if a team offers the Yankees something they can’t refuse for their backup catcher because that team sees the Yanks BU as more of a primary catcher?”

    Then what?

  43. MTU (aka GBURL) June 17th, 2010 at 6:46 pm

    Nick-

    “Utah? Just what we need — roadtrips to Provo. I think I’ll invite all my wives to the game.”

    Just in case your friend is interested in sampling the local culture
    the polygamists now offer guided tours.

    I kid you not. :)

  44. Chip June 17th, 2010 at 6:48 pm

    SJ44 June 17th, 2010 at 6:35 pm
    Tell you what I?d do chip?.get him healthy enough to catch 3-4 days a week. Which they are doing.
    without much success

    Having a guy who can?t hit for power and has hit .200 playing everyday behind the plate doesn?t make the Yankees a better team.
    Flaw in your logic is that with the way the roster is currently set one of these four guys has to play depending on who is DH: Pena, Russo, Cervelli, Huffman. Cervelli is the best of the bunch, only way he plays is with Posada at DH. So by catching Jorge and DHing someone else you’re not only putting Jorge’s health at risk but also weakening the lineup.

  45. Nick in SF in Larkspur June 17th, 2010 at 6:49 pm

    Pat M, good to see you, I hope you have a good time up at Staples tonight… not sure how good I’d like that time to be… but good luck with the wagers… or most of them.

  46. Chip June 17th, 2010 at 6:50 pm

    Here’s my theory on the 3 catcher situation.

    Montero will be up next year with Cervelli as the backup.

    After next season, Posada’s gone, Montero shifts to primary DH with Romine as the primary C and Cervelli still as the back up

    Eventually I think Montero winds up at 1b (he’ll be 27 I think when Tex’s contract runs out)

  47. Rich in NJ June 17th, 2010 at 6:51 pm

    For the second night in a row, I will predict that A-Rod will hit a HR…I have to be right sooner or later.

  48. MTU (aka GBURL) June 17th, 2010 at 6:51 pm

    Bret-

    In the scenario you propose you state that the other teams offers something the Yankees could not refuse for their BU.

    In that case, by definition it gets done. No ?

  49. MTU (aka GBURL) June 17th, 2010 at 6:52 pm

    Chip-

    That is an interesting scenario but I don’t see it happening that way.

  50. MTU (aka GBURL) June 17th, 2010 at 6:53 pm

    Enjoy the game folks. Catch you all later.

  51. Rishi June 17th, 2010 at 6:54 pm

    :arrow:

    new post

  52. SJ44 June 17th, 2010 at 6:55 pm

    Chip,

    He just came back. They are 13-5 in their last 18 games and have the luxury of working him in slowly.

    I’d say that’s working.

  53. Chip June 17th, 2010 at 6:56 pm

    SJ

    Fun arguing with you as always. Enjoy the game.

  54. Apple byte June 17th, 2010 at 6:58 pm

    Even when Jorgie is 100% again, he shouldn’t catch more than 3 successive games. The team needs to keep him as fresh as possible for the stretch run and the postseason.
    If the Yankees are fortunate enough to clinch by mid September, Montero should catch as many games as possible to keep Posada and Cervelli rested and ready for the postseason.

  55. GreenBeret7 June 17th, 2010 at 6:59 pm

    Montero is not going to be the primary catcher in 2011. As long as Posada is healthy and effective, he will be the primary catcher (85-100 games) with Cervelli backing up (late innings and if Montero is ready he will catch 40-50 games and DH.

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