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A different sort of look

Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Misc on Jun 24, 2010 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

Until 1996, Joe Torre had much stronger connections to the Braves, Cardinals and Mets than to the Yankees. He had played for three different teams and managed three different teams before he finally wore the pinstripes.

118443Don Mattingly is a different story.

“Donnie looks a little bit more weird to me than Joe,” Jorge Posada said. “Joe, I have seen him in different unis before he got to New York, but Donny looks strange in that blue.”

There will be a lot of sentiment toward Torre this weekend, but it’s doubtful Mattingly will be completely lost in the shuffle.

“Donnie can do whatever he wants in baseball,” Alex Rodriguez said. “Coach. Manage. General manager. Front office. He’s just got a perfect demeanor. Full of information. He was one of my role models growing up. He played the way that every young child should want to play the game. I wish him well. I think he’s in line to get a great managing job.”

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152 Responses to “A different sort of look”

  1. Ross June 24th, 2010 at 4:02 pm

    Quite possibly the worst photo of Donnie ever taken.

  2. Giuseppe Franco June 24th, 2010 at 4:02 pm

    Boy, Mattingly looks like he had that picture taken after a rough night.

    Posada is right. It’s a LOT more strange seeing Mattingly wearing Dodger Blue than Torre.

  3. ac1 June 24th, 2010 at 4:05 pm

    lester, youkilis, pedrioia and to an extent mike lowell a few years back

    ___

    Lester is in arb years, Ped got a 6 year deal after 1 good season, youk 10 a year (may have gotten more), and Lowell is incredibly overpaid.

  4. Bronx Jeers June 24th, 2010 at 4:05 pm

    I don’t see Mattingly in that photo.

    I see a guy who might look like Mattingly if he grew a mustache….

  5. CountryClub June 24th, 2010 at 4:07 pm

    RAB has a good post up about trades that almost happened invovling Mariano.

    After 97, the Mariners were looking to unload Randy Johnson. George offered up Mo for a straight 1 on 1 swap. Seattle declined but asked for Mo and Pettitte. Yanks declined. I would have declined too. But it’s not a no brainer.

    The Expos also asked for Mo, Posda and Eric Milton for Pedro.

    I think the Yanks made the right choice in both situations, but in each case they would have gotten back one of the 15 best pitchers ever. But they would have given up a HOFer and another borderline HOFer to do it. Interesting stuff.

    http://riveraveblues.com/2010/…..ent-937484

  6. Bronx Jeers June 24th, 2010 at 4:08 pm

    “Donnie can do whatever he wants in baseball,” Alex Rodriguez said.

    ———————————————————————————————————————

    Not true.

    I’m sure if he could have any job in baseball he’d probably take Tex’s.

  7. Erica in NY June 24th, 2010 at 4:09 pm

    Donnie suddenly looks old

    I still miss him. “Don’t Go Don” (sniff sniff)

  8. Giuseppe Franco June 24th, 2010 at 4:10 pm

    Pat M,

    Why would the Yanks put Hughes in the bullpen in October? I’ve heard others say that and it doesn’t make any sense.

    Hughes is no worse than their 3rd best starter right now and he’s having an All Star season.

    I get that the bullpen is a little short right now but taking one of your best starters to pitch the 8th inning is a really dumb idea.

    I get the whole innings cap thing, but I’d prefer to see them skip him during the regular season a few times rather than stick him in the pen.

    As you know, starting pitching is the name of the game and they can overcome any bullpen weakness in the postseason if their starters give them what they’ve given them all season.

  9. nathan June 24th, 2010 at 4:11 pm

    I do wonder sometimes how the Dodger clubhouse is:

    Has to be quiet when Joe Green tea is around right.

    You never know what quotes he is collecting for his next money grab the ‘Dodger Years’

    I fully expect to see a story how without the meddlings of the owners Joe would hv won a WS this year. Lol

  10. Irreverent Discourse June 24th, 2010 at 4:14 pm

    no one told mattingly that he can dye his chinfuzz? he looks ridiculous.

  11. MTU (aka GBURL) June 24th, 2010 at 4:15 pm

    Repost:

    Pat M.-

    I respect your opinion. I am just surprised to hear you say what you did.

    You must think the Yankees really, really want Lee and fear that they might not be able to get him thru FA.

    I can believe that they would want him badly but the other part makes me wonder.

    And why do you think Phil could not be available for the post-season ?

    Innings limits ? Other ?

    By the way. I do not trade Montero at this point. Period.

  12. CountryClub June 24th, 2010 at 4:16 pm

    Hughes to the pen will depend on Javy. If Javy has a strong 2nd half and they feel good about him being their #4 in the playoffs, they’ll put Hughes in the pen and make it a strength.

  13. G-C June 24th, 2010 at 4:18 pm

    “Hughes to the pen will depend on Javy. If Javy has a strong 2nd half and they feel good about him being their #4 in the playoffs, they’ll put Hughes in the pen and make it a strength.”

    Highly doubt this. Starting pitching is the name of the game. The Yankees didn’t have an eighth inning guy in the playoffs last year and they did just fine.

    I think Joba and Robertson will be good enough over the second half to make it a strength anyway.

  14. Pat M. June 24th, 2010 at 4:18 pm

    MTU…I responded at the end of the last thread….I’m not a post, copy paste person as I lack those skills…….

  15. Laura - We miss you, Donnie Baseball! June 24th, 2010 at 4:19 pm

    Tex has got to be pretty psyched about seeing Donnie Baseball. He was his idol growing up. It’s too bad Donnie can’t be his hitting coach. Yes, I know that Tex has been hitting more of late. I’m just not sure it’s going to stick this time.

  16. Irreverent Discourse June 24th, 2010 at 4:20 pm

    you can talk about trading for lee til you are blue in the face, it’s just not going to happen.

  17. ac1 June 24th, 2010 at 4:20 pm

    having we learned by now that cash is not going to trade midseason for what he can just throw money and years at in the offseason?

  18. MTU (aka GBURL) June 24th, 2010 at 4:21 pm

    Pat M.-

    You gave an interesting response. It is certainly something to think about. Thanks. :)

  19. ac1 June 24th, 2010 at 4:22 pm

    having we learned
    __

    Havent we learned?

    LOoooooong day

  20. Irreverent Discourse June 24th, 2010 at 4:23 pm

    how do you come to the concluion (pat m) that lee would be cheaper to deal with now. he’s not going to sign a lesser contract, there’s practically no chance he even would consider an extension from any team. so instead of just costing money, to acquire him now would cost money and talent.

  21. Its easy June 24th, 2010 at 4:23 pm

    Hughes to the pen will depend on Javy. If Javy has a strong 2nd half and they feel good about him being their #4 in the playoffs, they’ll put Hughes in the pen and make it a strength

    ************

    Did you not see Javy soiling himself in Arizona last night?!? He was hyperventilating all night. And you can’t blame the heat as it was 79 degrees in the closed up stadium last night. Javy in the playoffs against the Rays or Redsox will make last nights game seem like a no hitter.

    And please don’t show the stats of how he pitched against the orioles, mets, indians and jays (who have a flawed offense regardless of how many HR’s they hit)

  22. NYYROC June 24th, 2010 at 4:25 pm

    As illogical as it sounds, IIRC last year Cashman discussed Joba’s inning limit and said post season innings did not count toward the limit. Neither did innings pitched in the mL. It was regular season innings only and once the post season got there it is all hands on deck. It is about winning.
    If the NYY need Hughes to start he’ll start.

  23. Erin June 24th, 2010 at 4:27 pm

    Ross June 24th, 2010 at 4:02 pm
    Quite possibly the worst photo of Donnie ever taken.

    ***********************
    I’ll agree with that. What an awful picture. lol

  24. Irreverent Discourse June 24th, 2010 at 4:27 pm

    its easy – you do realize that arizona is like 4000 feet above sea level and its very thin air… lots of pitchers go there and get gassed early. he battled, he got through it, and he’s awesome. you’ll just have to accept that at some point.

    lets get to october HEALTHY before we worry about the fact that we have 5 playoff-worthy starters.

  25. Sony June 24th, 2010 at 4:28 pm

    Seriously, weird picture. Before I read the post I spent ten seconds staring at the photo and thinking, “Who IS that?”

  26. MTU (aka GBURL) June 24th, 2010 at 4:29 pm

    Pat M.-

    So you are suggesting a rotation of CC, AP, CL and either AJ or Vasquez for the PS with YMH in the BP.

    Lee to the Yankees for a package of Romine, Pena, and say Z-Mac +
    $.

    I am not sure how that helps cut down on the dollars to Lee though.

    Wouldn’t he insist on the same high dollar value in-season as he would as a FA since he’ll know he can get it later anyways ?

    I don’t get that part.

  27. Giuseppe Franco June 24th, 2010 at 4:31 pm

    # NYYROC June 24th, 2010 at 4:25 pm

    As illogical as it sounds, IIRC last year Cashman discussed Joba’s inning limit and said post season innings did not count toward the limit. Neither did innings pitched in the mL. It was regular season innings only and once the post season got there it is all hands on deck. It is about winning.
    If the NYY need Hughes to start he’ll start.

    ———–

    You’re right. Cashman did say that last year about Joba.

    But there is one big difference between the two – Hughes is a starter and Joba was in the pen.

    5 appearances for Joba could be 5 innings, but 5 appearances for Hughes could be 30+ IP.

  28. ac1 June 24th, 2010 at 4:32 pm

    Wouldn’t he insist on the same high dollar value in-season as he would as a FA since he’ll know he can get it later anyways ?
    ____

    That and the Yankees don’t do extensions mid season.

  29. Tyler June 24th, 2010 at 4:32 pm

    GB-

    Have you seen any of Betances’ 3 starts this year. It’s obvious from his stats that he has been simply dominant. Is his velocity the same as pre-surgery? I’m assuming by looking at his numbers that his control is much improved (so far at least). When he’s shown signs of control he’s looked like an ace in the making. I think it was the end of ’08 when he got the walks under control and he looked like he would takee off. Unfortuanately he never got on track in ’09.

    is his upside comparable or higher than brackman? I know he’s what 2 and a half years younger

  30. Joe from Long Island June 24th, 2010 at 4:35 pm

    I’ve always thought that the only thing that would make Cash trade for Lee this year was injury to a starter. Now though, I’m starting to wonder if the tightness of the division, couple with AJ going thru one of his prolonged slumps, and Javy being so-so last night, might change that.

    I still don’t think Cash is going to hand over whatever Jack Z. wants – which is a young catcher, according to Pat M. (At least, not overtly. Playoff and WS revenue can amount to an awful lot of $$$, and sway one’s calculations.) But if the price is right – and Cash can recoup some of that from trading Javy (there’d be one too many starters around)…Maybe a three way.

  31. MTU (aka GBURL) June 24th, 2010 at 4:36 pm

    Joe-

    A 3 way is another thing I hadn’t considered. Whew !

  32. Chip June 24th, 2010 at 4:37 pm

    Wow…LA is certainly not agreeing with Mattingly…at least not based on that picture.

  33. blake June 24th, 2010 at 4:38 pm

    Javy didn’t soil himself last night. He kept the Yankees in the game and gave them a chance to come back and win on a night when he didn’t have his best stuff or location. He probably would have gone deeper in the game had a chance to score not came up and he pinch hit for. Guys aren’t going to throw great every game…all yij can ask is they give you a chance on those off nights and Javy did that.

  34. Chip June 24th, 2010 at 4:38 pm

    George also had to be talked out of dealing Mo to the Mariners for Felix Fermin in 96 when Tony Fernandez broke his arm…

  35. MTU (aka GBURL) June 24th, 2010 at 4:39 pm

    Joe-

    Javy has a limited no-trade clause which could complicate things.

  36. Joe from Long Island June 24th, 2010 at 4:41 pm

    blake – very true. And, I still think it unlikely that Cash deals for Lee, for the reasons we all know. Still, if the price is right…and it is a tight division…that’s an awful lot of $$$ waiting in October for the right team…Maybe not Montero, or even Romine, but somebody might be moving….

    I have to think that Cash’s wheels are turning, and he’s working the phone lines…

  37. Joe from Long Island June 24th, 2010 at 4:42 pm

    MTU – didn’t know that. You’re right on that one, it does complicate things. Doesn’t make them impossible, just something else to consider.

  38. CountryClub June 24th, 2010 at 4:43 pm

    Give it a rest about Javy “soiling” himself last night. The guy can’t have an off night? What about the Diamondbacks would make any pitcher soil himself? If he was going to crap the bed it would have been against the Mets, games that bring real pressure when you pitch for the Yankees.

    As far as Hughes and the playoffs, it’ll be interesting to see what they do. remember, the 4th starter will probably get 2 or maybe 3 starts through the whole post season. They may feel that he’s more valuable in the pen. If Hughes was going to be their #2 or #3, it would be a different story. The only way that happens is if AJ just completely implodes. His track record says that wont happen.

    The bottom line is that we have a lot of season left and we need to see how AJ, Javy and Hughes do the rest of the way.

  39. damon (27) June 24th, 2010 at 4:45 pm

    Well it appears that GM Walt Jockety (Reds) will allow Dusty Baker TO BLOW UP THE ARM of yet another pitcher. Who you ask, none other than Aroldis Chapman to be used in the bullpen.

    Chapman is 5-5, Era 4.12, in 14 games including 13 starts, 672/3 innings, he has allowed
    62 hits, 41 walks, strikeout 79, often reaches pitch count limit (of 100) in 5 innings, has shown velocity of 103mph Best wishes Aroldis, after Dusty you’ll need TJ.

  40. Its easy June 24th, 2010 at 4:46 pm

    Irreverent Discourse June 24th, 2010 at 4:27 pm
    its easy – you do realize that arizona is like 4000 feet above sea level and its very thin air… lots of pitchers go there and get gassed early. he battled, he got through it, and he’s awesome. you’ll just have to accept that at some point.
    ****************

    Sorry I can’t accept that – first he pitched in arizona for a year so he’s used to it more than the rest of the yankee pitchers who didn’t hyperventilate when they were pitching

    he got gassed early? yes i agree it started with the first batter when he walked him on 4 pitches

    he battled? if you think giving up 4 runs (with the arizona base running helping to save 2 more) in (what was it) 5 innings battling, then yes i agree he battled just fine

    he got through it? again if you think getting smacked around and making dontrelle willis look good is “getting through it” then yes i agree once again with you

    and he’s awesome? i have no words for that one if you actually believe what you wrote

  41. blake June 24th, 2010 at 4:49 pm

    Joe,
    I agree. I wasn’t directing that post at you BTW…some other joker who said Javy soiled himself last night. I don’t see them trading for Lee either at this moment in time but things can change and unfold to a point where it would make sense. I think Cashman will weigh how much adding Lee would increase the chances of repeating and if that is significant then he may pull the trigger…

  42. Giuseppe Franco June 24th, 2010 at 4:50 pm

    How did Vazquez make Willis look good?

    It was the Yankee offense that didn’t take advantage of the numerous opportunities to blow the game open.

    Vazquz had little to do with that.

    He’s been pitching great lately. Let it go. He’s turned his season around and the Yanks are a better team for it.

  43. NYYROC June 24th, 2010 at 4:50 pm

    Been reading Bill Madden’s book about George. GS was incredibly mercurial. He wanted (and often did) fire/ trade people at the drop of a hat. When it became apparent that the NYY would have to fly to Boston in 1978 for the 1 game playoff. the traveling sec. told him the team plane would be flying out of Newark. GS went nuts and wanted the plane to fly out of LaGuardia. Argument ensued. He tried to fire the sec but couldn’t get a lower level guy to take over the job. The plane flew out of Newark. GS on plane looking po’d. Pinella came up to him and said, “What are you looking so mad for?” We’ll win the game and put more money in your pocket.” GS also got POd when Rosen (GM) lost the coin toss to determine where that game would be played. “What did you call?” asked GS. “I called heads.” said Rosen. “You ###.. idiot! Why did you call heads?! Everyone knows tails comes up 75% of the time!” More expletives and then he hung up!

  44. MTU (aka GBURL) June 24th, 2010 at 4:50 pm

    Blake-

    I would have to think that having CL in your post-season rotation would up the odds significantly.

    He is battle tested. ;)

  45. lolwut June 24th, 2010 at 4:54 pm

    How the hell did he make Willis look good? Willis lasted less than three innings and walked 7. In order to make that look good someone would have to give up 7 runs in 2.2 innings. Like Matt Cain just did, and I hate him for that.

  46. Peter R June 24th, 2010 at 4:55 pm

    # damon (27) June 24th, 2010 at 4:45 pm

    Well it appears that GM Walt Jockety (Reds) will allow Dusty Baker TO BLOW UP THE ARM of yet another pitcher. Who you ask, none other than Aroldis Chapman to be used in the bullpen.

    Chapman is 5-5, Era 4.12, in 14 games including 13 starts, 672/3 innings, he has allowed
    62 hits, 41 walks, strikeout 79, often reaches pitch count limit (of 100) in 5 innings, has shown velocity of 103mph Best wishes Aroldis, after Dusty you’ll need TJ.

    —————————————————————————————————

    103 is nasty, but would rather 98 with sub 3.5 ERA. I still think he will get there once he get the walks down. But I am so glad the Yankees didn’t throw 30mil at this “finished product.”

    And not sure what Dusty’s deal is…..jez dude…your not Nolan Ryan and neither are any of these young arms you have.

  47. blake June 24th, 2010 at 4:55 pm

    MTU,
    I agree that adding CL this season would make the Yanks very tough but would that improvement justify what you have to give up? If you still have a great chance at the title and can hold onto a Romine or Montero is that more important? Questions the cash man will have to answer.

  48. GreenBeret7 June 24th, 2010 at 4:57 pm

    Tyler June 24th, 2010 at 4:32 pm
    GB-

    Have you seen any of Betances’ 3 starts this year. It’s obvious from his stats that he has been simply dominant. Is his velocity the same as pre-surgery? I’m assuming by looking at his numbers that his control is much improved (so far at least). When he’s shown signs of control he’s looked like an ace in the making. I think it was the end of ‘08 when he got the walks under control and he looked like he would takee off. Unfortuanately he never got on track in ‘09.

    is his upside comparable or higher than brackman? I know he’s what 2 and a half years younger

    ———————————————————————————————————————-

    Haven’t seen Betances this year. saw him last year. He and Brackman are two different kinds of power pitchers. Betances when he’s going good is power and finess, much on the smoltz type of pitcher. Brackman is pure power with a really good power knuckle curve. They’re looking to move him to Trenton by the all-Star break. Betances needs some work on his off-speed to fine tune it, but, when a spot opens and he gets his innings up, he’ll be in trenton, too. as far as who’s where in the pecking order, they are 1A+ and 1A. Either one can be 1A+. Both are BIG….JR Richard big. Both with upper 90s fastballs…..and now with control

  49. Rick June 24th, 2010 at 4:59 pm

    This is Torre’s final year of his 3-year $13M contract and with Frank McCourt’s messy divorce situation, he might offer Torre another contract but it will be on the cheap.
    What does Torre do ? Say he’s been embarrassed by such a low offer ? Write another book ?

  50. Yankee Trader June 24th, 2010 at 5:00 pm

    I don’t see Hughes as a postseason set-up man. Currently he’s one of the top starters in the AL. He and Matt Thornton were the two best set-up men in the AL last year, but in the post-season Hughes was mediocre.

    The only way I can see the Yankees trade Vazquez, would be for a swap of contracts, say Ted Lilly [12M] for Vazquez [11.5M]

    Burnett is untradeable-16.5M/year for 31/2 more years and can veto trades to 10 teams each year.

    Right now they really need a reliable bullpen arm to lead up to 40 yo Mo. There isn’t one relief pitcher, other than Mo, who can relieve and set down the opposing team on a fairly consistent basis 1-2-3.

  51. MTU (aka GBURL) June 24th, 2010 at 5:01 pm

    Blake-

    You’re right about Cash. It might make it possible to get Lee on a 4 year, or 4 year with option instead of a 5 year type deal. That might save 18-20 mill long term and reduce the liability we face on a longer contract.

    I would hate to lose either Romine or Montero but it is likely one is going to be traded at some point anyway.

    If this is the right deal at the right time then Cash might just wind up pulling the trigger.

    It is also possible that a different catching prospect with high cieling make get it done.

  52. kd June 24th, 2010 at 5:01 pm

    gb,

    great post on betances and brackman.

    both had arm trouble, and surgeries. are the fully healed or are they in the process of getting better? could we see them in 2011 in pinstripes?

  53. Its easy June 24th, 2010 at 5:02 pm

    willis gave up 2 runs in 2.1 innings – vazquez 4 in 5 innings (with 1 guy getting thrown out at home after running thru a stop sign) – willis gave up 1 hit and 7 walks – vazquez 6 hits and 2 walks – OK he didn’t make him look good but he didn’t make himself look good either

    for all you javy apologists answer this – world series game #4 – yankees down 2 games to 1 – its javy’s turn to pitch – would you bet your house that he pitches how he is supposed to? or maybe he pitches like he’s about to soil himself again?

  54. CountryClub June 24th, 2010 at 5:05 pm

    Brackman is throwing a slider now and it’s been his main strikeout pitch. His curve is still there, but the slider has become his out pitch and he controls it much better than the curve.

  55. mick June 24th, 2010 at 5:07 pm

    for all you javy apologists answer this – world series game #4 – yankees down 2 games to 1 – its javy’s turn to pitch – would you bet your house that he pitches how he is supposed to? or maybe he pitches like he’s about to soil himself again?
    =======================================
    No but I might bet that Hughes would make that start or AJ, god forbid.

  56. GreenBeret7 June 24th, 2010 at 5:07 pm

    KD, both are healthy and healed, throwing as hard as advertized (upper 90s with control). As far as 2011, possibly and probably, just not to start the season. After mid-season inless there are regressions in health or performance.

  57. Sack of nuts June 24th, 2010 at 5:07 pm

    GB is full of it, along w/ SJ44

  58. GreenBeret7 June 24th, 2010 at 5:08 pm

    mid-season ****unless****

  59. mick June 24th, 2010 at 5:08 pm

    we hit into 5 dps last night, wow.

  60. mick June 24th, 2010 at 5:10 pm

    francesa railing about the team’s reaction to Mo’s AB.
    they were winning 6-5 at the time, lighten up.

  61. Erica in NY June 24th, 2010 at 5:11 pm

    I am leaving work now.

    I have plans tonight and there is no game- so I probably won’t pop up until tomorrow

    Bye for now!!

  62. kd June 24th, 2010 at 5:11 pm

    gb, thanks.

    as i’ve said many times before, it’s a great time to be a yankees fan.

    the rest of the league is probably shaking in their boots…

    i know, overly optimistic, but after the last few weeks of pure negativity on this blog, someone has to be optimistic. where’s rebecca when we need her?

  63. GreenBeret7 June 24th, 2010 at 5:11 pm

    Sack of nuts June 24th, 2010 at 5:07 pm
    GB is full of it, along w/ SJ44

    ———————————————————————————————————————-

    If you have a sack of nuts, you’d better give them back to the owners, because they aren’t yours.

  64. mick June 24th, 2010 at 5:12 pm

    I have plans tonight and there is no game
    ===========================
    “I have plans.” Estelle Costanza

  65. GreenBeret7 June 24th, 2010 at 5:13 pm

    any time, kd. you know that you can listen to almost all of the farm team games on radio feeds for free, right? You have to look for the teams that Tampa plays to get those games, though.

  66. GreenBeret7 June 24th, 2010 at 5:13 pm

    Who’s the nutless troll now?

  67. justinxyankeesfan June 24th, 2010 at 5:14 pm

    haha donnie looks like a bum who happened to find himself in a dodger uniform

  68. mick June 24th, 2010 at 5:15 pm

    “The game had a little league feel.” Girardi
    Thank god for Heillman.

  69. Pat M. June 24th, 2010 at 5:17 pm

    Do remember that Vasquez is gone after this season, but there also lies the chance that Andy hangs up his cleats as well…..If he does, the Yanks will have to pay that much more for Cliff as the laws of supply & demand kicks in….We all remember CC Sabatia and those non-negotiations……..Cashman will be very reluctant to push Hughes in October…….I just think that the Cliff Lee clubhouse door is more than open in the weeks that lie ahead…….As to whether or not he walks through it is yet to be determined…….A staff of CC, Lee & Hughes at the top looks quite appealing

  70. champ809 June 24th, 2010 at 5:17 pm

    Bettances is sitting 95 easy and has been up to 98 already….his changeup is becoming a real weapon and his curve is still deadly….

  71. LGY June 24th, 2010 at 5:18 pm

    ‘Its easy’

    Just some friendly advice. IDK if it is a computer glitch or something but the final 2 words from your handle are missing.

  72. champ809 June 24th, 2010 at 5:22 pm

    Ca$h I doubt will pay twice for Lee unless an injury to the ‘ro forces him….The M’s will want Romine + someone from Laird,Phelps,Noesi,Nova,Adams,Melancon for Lee…and will definitely want Romine….

    I’d wait and just hand Lee a check and hugg my prospects for a lil while longer…

  73. blake June 24th, 2010 at 5:22 pm

    MTU,
    That’s a good point. If negociating with CL this season could perhaps save a year on the deal (and I don’t know that it would)..but if it would say allow them to ink him to a 4 extension instead of a 5 year deal..then that could make a big difference in the decision making.

  74. Soul June 24th, 2010 at 5:24 pm

    “Cashman will be very reluctant to push Hughes in October…….I just think that the Cliff Lee clubhouse door is more than open in the weeks that lie ahead…….As to whether or not he walks through it is yet to be determined…….A staff of CC, Lee & Hughes at the top looks quite appealing”

    Agree

  75. GreenBeret7 June 24th, 2010 at 5:27 pm

    I wouldn’t be real concerned about an arm like Lee’s. He has one of the easiest motions around. Unless he picks up a piano or tries rasslin’ a mule, his arm will hold up just fine.

  76. MTU (aka GBURL) June 24th, 2010 at 5:29 pm

    Blake-

    It was just a thought. Dont know if Lee would look at it that way or not. The Yankees are almost always more willing to up the AAV to reduce the term.

    Joe from LI also suggested the possibility of moving Javy if Lee were acquired possibily as part of a 3-way deal.

    That might make some sense too.

    Having Lee in your post-season rotation makes it about as ironclad as it can get.

    Just imagine having to face CC,AP, and CL over and over again in the PS.

    That would be almost unfair.

  77. Yankee Trader June 24th, 2010 at 5:29 pm

    Pat M-

    Good points about trying to acquire Cliif Lee this year. On the other hand the Yankees had to pay out 25.69 million for luxury tax for the 2009 year and the threshold for the Luxury tax goes from 170 million this year to 178 million next year, so there is an incentive for the Yankees , besides the loss of minor league talent, for the Yankees to wait until he becomes a free agent.

  78. mick June 24th, 2010 at 5:30 pm

    Would Sea. consider Javy or AJ in a deal for Lee? Maybe not Javy as he is a FA next year, but Burnett. They get him for 3 years if they want to pay him. Doubt he would go with the NT but just a thought.

  79. Yankee Trader June 24th, 2010 at 5:33 pm

    Burnett and his 16.5 million/year for the next 3 years, with rights to veto a trade to 10 teams of his choosing each year is UNTRADEABLE!!!
    That’s my humble opinion and I’m sticking to it!!

  80. mick June 24th, 2010 at 5:35 pm

    I could see AJ enjoying pitching in the wilds of Seattle. No pressure.

  81. Yankee Trader June 24th, 2010 at 5:35 pm

    Well I take that back-if the Yankees would take Carlos Zambrano’s longer and more expensive contract there might be a deal there, god forbid!!!

  82. mick June 24th, 2010 at 5:36 pm

    Cash might like the idea of Lee in this years post season mix.
    Better here than Minny.

  83. JM June 24th, 2010 at 5:36 pm

    When I look at that photo of Donnie Baseball I think of that commercial for Just for Men with Clyde Frazier: no play for Mr. Gray!

  84. mick June 24th, 2010 at 5:37 pm

    Hate off days.

  85. Betsy - Hughes rules (pleading the Fifth) June 24th, 2010 at 5:38 pm

    If Phil is pitching well, I HOPE they don’t put him in the pen come October; he’d be one of their best starters, I don’t care about age.

    The Yankees are not going to trade a bundle of prospects for Cliff Lee when they have a good chance to sign him as a FA

  86. Pat M. June 24th, 2010 at 5:41 pm

    Yankee Trader….How much extra revenue does a World Series Championship will bring to The Bronx ????? As for Javy, he will certainly bring back 2 draft picks , so The Good Doctor from Long Island makes sense with a three way trade……..CC, Lee, Pettite and AJ is an impressive group come October with Hughes setting up Mariano…….I still echo what SJ mentioned a few weeks ago, it’ll depend on if there’s a window to extend / rewrite Lee’s contract and if Seattle doesn’t demand the Trenton franchise…….Make no mistake, Cashman will be answering the long distance call from Seattle

  87. Betsy - Hughes rules (pleading the Fifth) June 24th, 2010 at 5:41 pm

    GF, I totally agree. Now, we don’t know how Phil will do in the 2nd half……he may implode or he may just overall struggle. He’s going to face AL East teams not named the Orioles more than once and we saw what happened with the 2nd Sox game. I’m not saying he will, but it’s obviously possible that he does not keep this up. In that case, there is no argument assuming Javy stays steady. If he continues to pitch well, then I think Phil has to be in the rotation with the stuff he has. My only concern then would be his poor post-season last year.

  88. Betsy - Hughes rules (pleading the Fifth) June 24th, 2010 at 5:42 pm

    CountryClub, how do you know that Phil won’t pitch better than Javy? Let Javy go to the pen if he’s pitching better.

  89. GreenBeret7 June 24th, 2010 at 5:43 pm

    Watching Derrek Lee playing first base is becoming painful to watch. He used to be one of the best defensive 1st basemen in baseball. He’s flubbing and missing on grounders that 2 years ago he caught in his back pocket.

  90. Betsy - Hughes rules (pleading the Fifth) June 24th, 2010 at 5:46 pm

    I think if Phil is pitching well (or even great), Cash will let him go………the kid is not going to break down, particularly if they are careful with him during the season.

  91. MTU (aka GBURL) June 24th, 2010 at 5:47 pm

    Pat M.-

    Any trade would be almost certain to include a negotiating window.

    And as far as the trade return I figure Romine would almost have to be included along with lesser prospects since we are taking on the contract. Romine is the real enticement. If not him then Gary Sanchez would likely be asked for. Montero is off limits.

    The M’s need a Catcher, SS, and more pitching. Probably in that order.

  92. Betsy - Hughes rules (pleading the Fifth) June 24th, 2010 at 5:50 pm

    Oh, and as to the players’ reactions to Mo batting, apparently Joe had a problem with it too as he told Francesca that “it was taken care of”.

  93. oilfront property owner June 24th, 2010 at 5:51 pm

    I think signing AJ to that contract was one of the worse deals Cashman has made. He is unreliable and about as inconsistent a #2 starter can be.

  94. Yankee Trader June 24th, 2010 at 5:54 pm

    Pat M-

    I’d certainly like to see the Yankees make a try for Lee [Cliff, not Derreck], but at what cost to the farm system and what cost for an extension, remembering that Rivera, Jeter, and perhaps Andy will be back.

  95. mick June 24th, 2010 at 5:59 pm

    No comment to trading AJ for Lee?

    Anyway if Hughes hits his innings limit and Javy is doing well why not Phil to the pen in the 8th, esp if Joba isnt doing the job.

    If Sea demands the farm forget dealing for Lee. Cash will have open ears.

  96. mick June 24th, 2010 at 6:01 pm

    Betsy, why can’t you spell Francesa’s name right?

  97. RMS June 24th, 2010 at 6:04 pm

    “Any trade would be almost certain to include a negotiating window.”

    Lee has stated he is going on the free agent market.

    =======================================

    Why would Seattle want AJ, so they can pay a huge salary for his up and down starts? They want young prospects (Montero, Romine) who are cheap.

  98. mick June 24th, 2010 at 6:04 pm

    Worst case scenario:
    Joba is hurt and is out for the playoffs.

    Who do you think goes to the pen?

    JJ Putz? :)

  99. Yankee Trader June 24th, 2010 at 6:05 pm

    mick-

    Commented on your AJ for Lee at 5:33.

    Again–
    Burnett and his 16.5 million/year for the next 3 years, with rights to veto a trade to 10 teams of his choosing each year is UNTRADEABLE!!!
    That’s my humble opinion and I’m sticking to it!!

  100. Pat M. June 24th, 2010 at 6:06 pm

    mick, is that really a big deal ???? Hell GB and myself are atrocious when it comes to our typing skills & we’re not alone…..Cheap shot my man, you’re much better than that, it only tarnishes your good baseball input

  101. LGY June 24th, 2010 at 6:06 pm

    For Bret the Hitman,

    Keith (Missouri)

    Jerry:There’s been a ton written about the Royals being involved in trades this year but to me it seems much a do about nothing since the available talent won’t offer much in return. What can they really expect in return for David DeJesus?

    Jerry Crasnick (12:25 PM)

    Keith, I was told that the offers the Royals have gotten for David DeJesus don’t even make it worth their while to trade him. He’s a productive player and he’s only going to make about $6M next year, so I don’t think they feel any compelling urge to run out and deal him.

  102. mick June 24th, 2010 at 6:06 pm

    AJ might like the calm of Seattle. He might pitch better there without the constant scrutiny.
    They will desperately need pitching after they lose Lee.

  103. mick June 24th, 2010 at 6:08 pm

    mick, is that really a big deal ???? Hell GB and myself are atrocious when it comes to our typing skills & we’re not alone…..Cheap shot my man, you’re much better than that, it only tarnishes your good baseball input
    =======================
    Pat M.
    I think Betsy purposely spells his name wrong as she DESPISES the media in general and him in particular.

  104. MTU (aka GBURL) June 24th, 2010 at 6:09 pm

    RMS-

    No negotiating window no deal, and I think lee would relent for the Yankees. Why not at least hear their offer ? I don’t think he would get anymore from anyone else anyway.

    The Yankees aren’t trading good prospects for a rental.

    The whole point of them trading with Seattle at this point is so they can assure themselves that Lee will be secured to an extension and won’t ever see FA.

  105. Betsy - Hughes rules (pleading the Fifth) June 24th, 2010 at 6:10 pm

    I made a typo, big deal……..Mick, you sure think you know a lot about me and you insist on picking on everything. You wonder in part why I left?

  106. mick June 24th, 2010 at 6:11 pm

    Imagine Lee pitching us to a Championship?
    What his FA value be then?

    The more I think about it, why not Javy and a prospect for Lee?

  107. MTU (aka GBURL) June 24th, 2010 at 6:13 pm

    Mick-

    You better think harder because Javy’s no-trade includes the AL west.

    He does not want to pitch on the West coast.

  108. mick June 24th, 2010 at 6:13 pm

    You wonder in part why I left?
    =====================
    OK I’m the reason you left. If you have such strong opinions then you know you will get flack here and not only from me, as you know. It’s not what you say it’s how you say it. We have had these discussions before. And spelling his name that way is not a typo, be honest.

  109. Phil Columbus June 24th, 2010 at 6:15 pm

    Yankees will be able to sign Cliff Lee next year if they want him. Don’t need him now.

    Joe will do what he thinks is best with the postseason rotation. Performance from this point forward will dictate it, also healthy may play a part (hope not the case)

    The press is making more of this Yankees/Torre reunion than the players are. Who really cares. He did his job while he was the skipper of the Yanks and it was time for him to move on. I’m sure many of the players have crossed paths with Joe in the past 2 1/2 years at foundation dinners and awards functions.

  110. Betsy - Hughes rules (pleading the Fifth) June 24th, 2010 at 6:16 pm

    I didn’t say you were the reason……….but you constantly assume you know exactly how I feel or why I post the things I say. I spelled his name wrong – that’s it, that’s all it was. It has nothing to do with how I feel about Mike – sometimes a rose is just a rose.

  111. mick June 24th, 2010 at 6:18 pm

    Betsy you spell his name that way every time. We had this discussion before. If I ever see you spell it right from here on in, I will apologize.

  112. Betsy - Hughes rules (pleading the Fifth) June 24th, 2010 at 6:21 pm

    Phil, I agree that it’s premature to speculate about the post-season rotation; we may not make it there first of all, but if we do, who knows how anyone will be pitching?

  113. mick June 24th, 2010 at 6:22 pm

    You wonder in part why I left?
    ======================
    No I don’t wonder because I know why.

  114. Betsy - Hughes rules (pleading the Fifth) June 24th, 2010 at 6:22 pm

    Mick, you don’t have to apologize, but when I type, I type pretty fast – sometimes I feel like correcting my typos, sometimes I don’t. Does it matter if I continue to spell it wrong? I’m a very good speller, but I can’t spell pretzel for the life of me………Perhaps I’m just fated never to spell Francesa’s name right.

  115. Betsy - Hughes rules (pleading the Fifth) June 24th, 2010 at 6:23 pm

    Ok, you know why………care to share?

  116. Look at the back of my baseball card June 24th, 2010 at 6:23 pm

    So it seems like MIN and the Mets are the front runners to land Lee. Maybe the Mets can give up even less of a package that landed them Santana. Still amazes me that Bill Smith was not fired. Lester was involved in one of those packages as well as Hughes all be it for a very short period of time

  117. mick June 24th, 2010 at 6:25 pm

    we may not make it there first of all, but if we do,
    ===============================
    then why bother strengthening our position to get there? we might not get there. how can you be that negative?

  118. LGY June 24th, 2010 at 6:25 pm

    mick,

    You know how Betsy always spells Francesca’s name?

    Pretty creepy dude.

  119. mick June 24th, 2010 at 6:27 pm

    I can’t spell pretzel for the life of me………Perhaps I’m just fated never to spell Francesa’s name right.
    ==============================================
    I apologize. You spelled pretzel correctly.

  120. mick June 24th, 2010 at 6:28 pm

    You know how Betsy always spells Francesca’s name?
    ==================================
    I am an ardent reader of Betsy.

  121. Betsy - Hughes rules (pleading the Fifth) June 24th, 2010 at 6:28 pm

    Mick, I’m just saying that there is no point in speculating. What negative? It is possible we don’t make it – we don’t know how any of these guys will be pitching at the time. If Phil continues to pitch well, I don’t see how you remove him from the rotation come playoff time, but that is a long way away and lots can happen.

  122. Betsy - Hughes rules (pleading the Fifth) June 24th, 2010 at 6:29 pm

    Yes, I made a point to spell pretzel correctly, but many times I spell it pretzle. Let’s not get bogged down in this stuff – it’s all silly.

  123. mick June 24th, 2010 at 6:30 pm

    I wonder about Phil and his innings limit.
    I know they say it doesn’t include the postseason but why not?
    Aren’t they stressful innings?
    It is too early to speculate but I do think they will make it.

  124. mick June 24th, 2010 at 6:31 pm

    You also made it a point to spell Francesa correctly. Silly but true.

  125. blake June 24th, 2010 at 6:33 pm

    Mik,

    Let betsie spel however she wants.

  126. LGY June 24th, 2010 at 6:33 pm

    Betsy,

    You should know that mick missed you quite a bit during your sabbatical from the blog.

    He asked about you nearly everyday. ;)

  127. mick June 24th, 2010 at 6:33 pm

    ok bleak yu win.

  128. mick June 24th, 2010 at 6:34 pm

    LGY
    She knows that, she was lurking.

  129. Betsy - Hughes rules (pleading the Fifth) June 24th, 2010 at 6:36 pm

    My name gets spelled wrong a lot: Besty is the worst, lol. Betsie isn’t too bad. One time on an e-mail at work, I spelled my name Betsu – fortunately I didn’t send it out, lol.

    I wouldn’t call it lurking – though I guess I was. I still enjoyed reading the posts, so yeah – I definitely was around.

  130. LGY June 24th, 2010 at 6:37 pm

    Speaking of spelling.

    Why does Pat M always refer to Trisha as Tricia? Just wondering if Pat the Bat is still around.

  131. RMS June 24th, 2010 at 6:38 pm

    “Yankees will be able to sign Cliff Lee next year if they want him. Don’t need him now.”

    Couldn’t agree more. Yankees are not trading for Lee.

  132. Bret the Hitman June 24th, 2010 at 6:39 pm

    White Sox have won their 9th in a row.

    They’re in it.

    I think it will cost too much to land Thornton, Jenks or Putz.

  133. Bronx Jeers June 24th, 2010 at 6:39 pm

    AJ might like the calm of Seattle. He might pitch better there without the constant scrutiny.
    They will desperately need pitching after they lose Lee.

    —————————————————————————————————————————————————

    I’m not too sure about that.

    I recall AJ specifically wanting to pitch close to his Maryland? home because his wife doesn’t fly.

    He’s got a limited no-trade in his contract. He can block trades to 10 teams a year. I’d be surprised if Seattle wasn’t one of them.

  134. LGY June 24th, 2010 at 6:40 pm

    Hitman,

    Thoughts regarding Jerry Crasnick’s comments re DeJesus?

  135. mick June 24th, 2010 at 6:41 pm

    Is it public knowledge who Pat M. really is? Ex-ballplayer?

  136. mick June 24th, 2010 at 6:42 pm

    I feel like having a pretzel now

  137. Phil Columbus June 24th, 2010 at 6:43 pm

    I think the Twins will get Cliff Lee from Seattle for a package that includes Wilson Ramos, the catcher that Seattle is looking for. Then the Yanks can outbid anyone for Lee next winter. If the Twins decide to sign Lee to an extension, then a tip of the cap to the Twins.

  138. blake June 24th, 2010 at 6:43 pm

    LGY,

    You would be proud…I watched almost a whole half of soccer today while bored at work. I am even starting to understand why they get so excited when they score a goal…..something that happens that infrequently must be celebrated ;)

  139. mick June 24th, 2010 at 6:43 pm

    I still say we are facing Lee in game 7 vs the Twins.

  140. MTU (aka GBURL) June 24th, 2010 at 6:44 pm

    This whole discussion on Lee began when Pat M. let it be known that his scout friend(s) had told him that he M’s were checking out the Yankee’s MiLB teams(sending scouts).
    Were they doing this just so they could pad their frequent flier accounts ?

    Consider that sometimes where there’s smoke there really may be fire.

    Anyway, thanks for the tip Pat. ;)

  141. m June 24th, 2010 at 6:46 pm

    Re: DeJesus. Saw his stats during a recent game. With the exception of 2 add’l HR, his numbers weren’t all that better than those of GGBG. And certainly not significantly so.

    As for trading for Lee, he’s a good pitcher, great even. But we have 5 viable starters eating up a ton of innings. And it’ll cost prospects.

    And that picture of Mattingly is unfortunate. Should’ve asked for a re-do! He just looks so disheveled.

  142. LGY June 24th, 2010 at 6:50 pm

    blake,

    :lol:

    I do have to admit that since I stopped playing seriously the WC is the first time in a few years I have gotten really into it.

    The goals really are exciting though. So much anticipation and build up. In really tough matches a goal can feel like a walk off homerun. And I love watching the player’s celebrate without anyone whining after the game about being offended or whatever.

  143. Bret the Hitman June 24th, 2010 at 6:50 pm

    LGY,

    I’m not surprised teams are lowballing the Royals on DeJesus. They know their in dire financial straits. Greinke’s salary nearly doubles next year. The Royals really don’t want to exercise that option even though it’s only for 6 million. They know they can move him but GM’s know that the Royals don’t have much leverage given their budget crises and their attendance problems. Closer to the deadline, the offers will be closer to fair value and I think a solid market will form for David DeJesus. I also suspect teams are hoping for him to fall off a bit because he’s close to a 900 OPS right now.

  144. Bronx Jeers June 24th, 2010 at 6:50 pm

    Ahhhh leave poor Donnie Baseball alone.

    He works in LA now. He was probably out late the night before that pic was taken “romancing” a few starlets.

  145. RMS June 24th, 2010 at 6:50 pm

    Why would the Yankees give up premium prospects for Lee when they can sign him when he goes on the free agent market?

  146. MTU (aka GBURL) June 24th, 2010 at 6:56 pm

    RMS-

    Because there is no guarantee they can sign him once he hits FA.

    There may be a lot of competition for his services. Perhaps we can outbid them perhaps not.

    Perhaps they’ll go more years than we want to.

    The point is that if they can get him now for a package of prospects that is acceptable to both sides, and he is willing to negotiate an extension that guarantees the Yankees ownership of a prime target.

    Maybe they don’t want to take the risk that exists once he goes FA.

    Isn’t that a possibility at least ? I think it might be. If you don’t that’s cool with me.

  147. blake June 24th, 2010 at 6:56 pm

    Lgy,

    Yea I must admit, the end of that match yesterday was really exciting. Moments like that are what sports are all about no Matter what game is being played.

  148. Look at the back of my baseball card June 24th, 2010 at 6:57 pm

    Lee wants 125 million dollars. who is giving him that much?

  149. Bronx Jeers June 24th, 2010 at 7:00 pm

    there’s also the possibility that any team acquiring him in a trade might demand an opportunity to extend him which would take him off the FA market.

    Yanks might know this and feel the need to launch a preemptive strike seeing a few seasons of weak free agent pitcher market on the horizon.

  150. MTS June 24th, 2010 at 7:00 pm

    As for trading for Lee, he’s a good pitcher, great even. But we have 5 viable starters eating up a ton of innings. And it’ll cost prospects.
    _______________________
    That’s what prospects are for. Sure you like to see them on the big league team, but can the Yankees afford to let Lee go to the Twins or the Redsox? We can’t really discuss Lee’s value in terms of prospects in a vacuum, so maybe we need to speculate on which prospects they might want. Since they want catchers, I say yes to Romine and no to Montero.

  151. Bret the Hitman June 24th, 2010 at 7:02 pm

    New thread.

  152. igotid88 June 24th, 2010 at 8:36 pm

    come back mattingly

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