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Bernie Williams and David Cone visit Extreme Makeover home

Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Misc on Jun 24, 2010 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

As I’m sure you remember, on Sunday the cast of Extreme Makeover: Home Edition surprised the Lutz family at Yankee Stadium.

This morning Bernie Williams, David Cone and approximately 50 Yankees front office employees visited the site of the new Lutz family home in Setauket, Long Island. The former Yankees will help with the build.

From a press release…

The Lutzes are another representation of the kind of family “Extreme Makeover: Home Edition” aims to help by building a new home in just seven days. Unable to have children of their own, loving couple Grace and John Lutz gave their hearts to 18 adopted kids in all, including seven with Down Syndrome. After the couple passed away, their daughter, Kathleen, gave up her career and gladly came home to take care of six Down siblings who currently range in age from 20 to 25 years old. Everyone agreed that putting the kids in a group home or institution was not an option.

It was a good plan, until Kathleen suddenly and unexpectedly had a grand mal seizure, and was diagnosed with inoperable cancer. Her brother, John Jr., was next at bat, sacrificing his successful career as a gymnastics coach to move home and care for his sister and siblings. Kathleen’s health is now stabilized and both brother and sister care for their family as a team.

Bottom line is, right now their family home is falling apart, and so they’re getting a new place to live. I don’t think I’ve ever seen a full episode of the show, but I’ve seen a little bit of it and it’s hard not to feel great for the families that are selected. Once again, good job by the Yankees to get involved in something like this.

No word on when the episode will air, but the theme will be “New York! New York!” and it will apparently include some Broadway-style singing and dancing.

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154 Responses to “Bernie Williams and David Cone visit Extreme Makeover home”

  1. Crawdaddy June 24th, 2010 at 11:03 am

    So David Cone is still cool with the Yankees organization, but just not with the YES network?

  2. CountryClub June 24th, 2010 at 11:04 am

    repost from last thread:

    The Yanks starters have really taken pressure off the pen this yr. And when you watch the games, it’s not like they’re getting overworked either:

    “The 2010 Yankees have a different breed of innings eaters. All five rank in the top 50 in innings pitched per game started. That includes Javy Vazquez, who got pulled early in a number of starts earlier this season. A.J. Burnett, who has also been pulled early on a few occasions, ranks 36th. Pettitte and Sabathia both average 6.7 innings per start and are tied for sixth in the AL. Phil Hughes averages six and a third per start. The Yankees as a team lead the AL in innings pitched per game start with 6.3. This is, of course, fantastic. Not only are they eating plenty of innings, but they’re pitching well. This not only takes pressure off the bullpen, but it also gives the team a better chance to win every night.

    The Yankees, again, have used these starter innings effectively. They rank eighth in the majors, third in the AL, in starter ERA, 3.78. They again rank eighth, and again third in the AL, in opponent OPS, a mere point behind Toronto. They rank fourth in the majors, second in the AL, in opponent OBP. They’re doing it reasonably efficiently, too, averaging 100 pitches per game started as a team, which means 15.87 pitches per inning per game started. That’s good for fourth in the AL, third among teams that actually average more than 6 IP per game started.

    To put it a different way, Yankees pitchers have thrown 625.1 innings. The five starters have thrown 438.1 of those, or 70 percent of the team’s innings. Again, that is a league-leading mark. It also seems like the ideal place for a pitching staff to be, considering the unit’s effectiveness. The staff is eating innings at a better rate than its peers, and it is pitching better than most of them. It is the main reason that the team sits in first place today.”

    http://riveraveblues.com/2010/…..one-30706/

  3. Rich in NJ June 24th, 2010 at 11:14 am

    Cone’s no dope. That’s why he didn’t take junk from YES and while he wants to maintain a relationship with the Yankees despite how poorly YES is run.

  4. Patrick June 24th, 2010 at 11:22 am

    Patrick

    I basically agree, as I said, I was merely raising a possibility.

    But look at what Long has done with Cano, Gardner, and Swisher, and as I said, hitting coaches typically have less of an effect.

    My main point is that they can do better than Eiland.

    Fair enough I suppose.

    I like the way the Yankees are pitching this year (before Eiland left and after), so I have no problem with Eiland.

  5. NYYROC June 24th, 2010 at 11:28 am

    Funny story in USA Today about Andy & Hughes. Phil has given Andy the nickname Lloyd on days Andy pitches because he is like another person on game days( intense, talks to himself). Story is about Andy’s career coming full circle. he is now older, helps young guys. He didn’t have that when he came up.

  6. RossGB June 24th, 2010 at 11:29 am

    The whole Eiland situation is turning into a major mystery; Burnett, for one, appears to be rattled by Eiland’s absence.

    Whatever has happened in this case, the front-office had better acquire a new pitching coach – and fast.

  7. Wave Your Hat June 24th, 2010 at 11:31 am

    The Yanks seem to be pitching just fine. I don’t see where Eiland’s absence has hurt any.

  8. Tom in NJ June 24th, 2010 at 11:33 am

    There would be no Hughes if it wasn’t for Andy.

  9. NYYROC June 24th, 2010 at 11:33 am

    The other day Kay (on his radio show) said the NYY, while respecting Eiland’s family matter, should tell him to be back by “x” date or they will move on for the rest of the year. They’d still pay Eiland and welcome him back in 2011. But Kay believed they need a full time pitching coach (Harkey is not the answer) and they can’t go on like this indefinitely.

  10. GreenBeret7 June 24th, 2010 at 11:41 am

    The Yankees have 3 of the best pitching coaches in baseball. They have Rivera, Pettitte and sabathia.

  11. Joe from Long Island June 24th, 2010 at 11:44 am

    Good day, all –

    1. The bad news is that I went to bed after the 8th last night, as I had to get up early.
    2. The good news is that I saw the recap on MLBN this morning before coming in to work. What a great way to start the day.
    3. Whoever planned the Yankees’ involvement with Extreme Makeover should get a raise. Great idea. Really plays into Hope Week, and all the rest they do.
    4. Re: Kay’s idea for the Yankees to get a temp pitching coach – From where? It’s not like they grow on trees. And any new guy would have to start from scratch.

    FWIW, there was a line in a story in Newsday yesterday that they were hoping Eiland would be back around the All Star break.

  12. jw June 24th, 2010 at 11:46 am

    Nice one GB

  13. CountryClub June 24th, 2010 at 11:46 am

    The yanks pitching has been fine without Eiland. AJ has stretches like this every year. Every single year.

  14. Erin June 24th, 2010 at 11:47 am

    NYYROC June 24th, 2010 at 11:33 am
    The other day Kay (on his radio show) said the NYY, while respecting Eiland’s family matter, should tell him to be back by “x” date or they will move on for the rest of the year. They’d still pay Eiland and welcome him back in 2011. But Kay believed they need a full time pitching coach (Harkey is not the answer) and they can’t go on like this indefinitely.

    *****************
    There was an article in Newsday yesterday that speculated Eiland would be back sometime around the ASB.

  15. Erin June 24th, 2010 at 11:48 am

    Joe from Long Island June 24th, 2010 at 11:44 am

    FWIW, there was a line in a story in Newsday yesterday that they were hoping Eiland would be back around the All Star break.

    *********************
    Joe, you beat me to it! ;)

  16. mick June 24th, 2010 at 11:48 am

    The Match Is Over!!!

  17. mick June 24th, 2010 at 11:49 am

    Hysterical, historical!

  18. mick June 24th, 2010 at 11:50 am

    They carted them both off in wheelchairs. :)

  19. Mark Teixeira June 24th, 2010 at 11:50 am

    Patrick June 24th, 2010 at 11:17 am

    But in general, pitching and hitting coaches don’t have a ton of effect on players. I think only the great ones actually help – Kevin Long for example.

    ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
    I agree, he’s been so helpful to me this year!!

  20. mick June 24th, 2010 at 11:50 am

    Call out the medics!

  21. mick June 24th, 2010 at 11:51 am

    A Special Memento is being offered

  22. ac1 June 24th, 2010 at 11:56 am

    yeah i dont really see how the starting pitching can be seen as a huge issue. Besides Burnett, CC has hit his stride, Pettitte and Hughes have been hot all year. Javy was on a roll until last night. SP is fine.

  23. BIG AL June 24th, 2010 at 11:57 am

    First, A great job by MO. As Mo said, the Yankees played terrible, but, Mo was able to put a smile on what would have been a disastrous series with a loss last night. Any win is a good win. I have been very critical of Granderson, but, he had a good game last night, the winning hit, so here’s hoping Granderson continues improving, and proves me wrong.

    Why all the screaming about the pitching coach? Eiland will return when he’s ready, and the starting pitchers have been doing a fine job, with the exception of AJ, and I think AJ will be able to get himself going by himself. Let’s see what Saturday brings.

  24. Joe from Long Island June 24th, 2010 at 11:57 am

    Someone should call Joe West.

  25. damon (27) June 24th, 2010 at 11:58 am

    I love the marketing of the Yankees brand. AZ had 3 x’s their attendance just because they wanted to relive/see the Yankees again.

    Mo is the backbone of this team’s pitching as we all know, he’ll never be allowed to walk.

    Papelbon came in to a 1 run lead, closes with his team losing by 3. Mo comes into a 1 run lead by AZ, closes the game with a 1 run Yankees win. Even bos fans are begging for the Mariano/Papelbon comparison to cease.

    It would’ve been a shame , with all the 2001 hype, if A Z didn’t get to experience Mariano before the YANKEES left!

  26. ac1 June 24th, 2010 at 11:59 am

    The only thing the yankees can do with pitching coaches for the short term is to bring one up from the minors.

    BTW, Keep Colin Curtis on this team. When Thames comes back, send Huffman down. I think Colin may be someone who will come through for us.

  27. BIG AL June 24th, 2010 at 12:02 pm

    ac1

    I agree, I think Colin Curtis could be very good spot starter, and a good bat off the bench.

  28. Mark Teixeira June 24th, 2010 at 12:02 pm

    damon(27) – MO came in the 9th with the game tied – arizona was not ahead by 1 – but good points regardless

  29. mick June 24th, 2010 at 12:03 pm

    Colin seems to get up for the big moment. Has some magic about him. Saw that in ST too.

  30. mick June 24th, 2010 at 12:04 pm

    So far my prediction of 5 games up by the ASG looks good.

  31. Wave Your Hat June 24th, 2010 at 12:06 pm

    I can’t see Curtis as a spot starter. To the extent Granderson or Gardner sit, they will sit against lefties so Curtis is not a good fit.

    Curtis makes sense in the NL parks, and he would have made sense when Granderson was hurt but unfortunately so was Curtis.

    I suspect Curtis goes back down when Thames comes off the DL.

  32. mick June 24th, 2010 at 12:08 pm

    Curtis is more versatile than Thames, who is old and one dimensional.

  33. Wave Your Hat June 24th, 2010 at 12:09 pm

    mick, the Yanks need Thames back badly.

  34. tampayank June 24th, 2010 at 12:09 pm

    will Kate Hudson be at the games this weekend along w/ all the other Hollywood attention seekers? should be a fun series

  35. mick June 24th, 2010 at 12:10 pm

    # Wave Your Hat June 24th, 2010 at 12:09 pm

    mick, the Yanks need Thames back badly.
    ============================
    surely you jest or it’s some lame imposter

  36. mick June 24th, 2010 at 12:11 pm

    kate and cameron should share a box…wait

  37. RayVT June 24th, 2010 at 12:11 pm

    mick June 24th, 2010 at 12:08 pm

    Thames is a much needed RH bat, whereas Colin Curtis is a LH bat. I like Colin Curtis & hope he makes it, but Thames is here until another RH or switchhitter is found to replace him. Thames has done well so far. You can’t expect him to be a plus defender.

  38. Bret the Hitman June 24th, 2010 at 12:11 pm

    Joba’s stuff shows glimpses of top shelf starter quality. It has me drooling. It would be a travesty to completely rule out giving him a second opportunity to join Hughes in the rotation as a young cost-controlled dominant starter.

    Getting Lee forces him out of the picture. Not sure if I want that.

    Also on Gardner…man…I’m really getting tempted to jump on the band-wagon. Maybe I’m the last one on and I still fear the wheels falling off but man…

    Maybe Patrick’s bold prediction of no Crawford and no Lee is a distinct possibility.

    If that happens, maybe Hanley Ramirez becomes a target next year for DH/SS/3B.

  39. Wave Your Hat June 24th, 2010 at 12:12 pm

    mick-

    Not jesting, unfortunately. Thames is half the DH answer, with him back calling up Miranda makes sense and Jorge can go back to catching most of the time.

  40. ac1 June 24th, 2010 at 12:13 pm

    You dont know little CC cant hit lefties…

    Just because Gardner and Granderson are lefties, doesnt mean Colin has to go down or cannot come in when Granderson sits.

  41. Rich in NJ June 24th, 2010 at 12:13 pm

    “I suspect Curtis goes back down when Thames comes off the DL.”

    He looks better at the plate than Huffman.

    Looking at his mL splits, he hit LHP better than RHP this season:

    v. L: 0.316 0.366 0.421 0.787

    v. R: 0.264 0.354 0.345 0.699

    although his career splits are contra.

    I would keep Curtis. It’s not like Thames can play the OF.

  42. mick June 24th, 2010 at 12:14 pm

    If we can get Wigginton, he’s a professional hitter and versatile like Hairston.

  43. Wave Your Hat June 24th, 2010 at 12:17 pm

    Rich in NJ-

    I’d go with Curtis’s career splits over a third of a minor league season, and I wouldn’t put too much stock in how he hits AAA lefties.

    I’m not a huge Huffman fan either but I think he fits better for the roster the Yanks have now.

    I’m waiting for the Yanks to get a RH hitter on the trade market and then the Curtis/Huffman debate won’t matter.

  44. mick June 24th, 2010 at 12:18 pm

    As the original plan was to keep open the DH for POSADA, Arod and the like, the Dh(Thames) becomes less important.
    On days when Arod dhs, Wiggy can play 3rd.

  45. Joe from Long Island June 24th, 2010 at 12:20 pm

    I’d be surprised if the Orioles (Angelos) does a trade with the Yankees.

  46. ac1 June 24th, 2010 at 12:21 pm

    You think Baltimore will give us Wigginton? They want a SS. Who we giving them? Nunez?

  47. Wave Your Hat June 24th, 2010 at 12:21 pm

    “As the original plan was to keep open the DH for POSADA, Arod and the like, the Dh(Thames) becomes less important.”

    No, the original plan was for NJ to DH. The original plan is out the window, the Yanks are improvising. And any improvisation that gives Pena, Cervelli and crew a lot of at bats is the wrong improv.

    If the Yanks get Wiggington, then that’s a different story entirely. But I doubt they get him.

  48. mick June 24th, 2010 at 12:21 pm

    Wiggy serves no purpose in Balt, he’s a journeyman.
    Pena or Russo at 3rd is a waste.

  49. Rich in NJ June 24th, 2010 at 12:22 pm

    WYH

    Digging down further, he hit LHP better overall in 2009 as well:

    v. L: 0.273 0.331 0.370 0.701
    v. R: 0.235 0.309 0.345 0.654

    So the trend is promising and may suggest that he can hit LHP.

    I would like to see him get some AB v. lefties in NY to get a better sense of where he’s currently at. IOW, is he overmatched.

  50. Everyone sucks except SJ and CB and Doreen June 24th, 2010 at 12:22 pm

    Hitman

    Um, why would you want a malcontent like Hanley Ramirez on this team, ruining what’s good about this clubhouse?

  51. Rich in NJ June 24th, 2010 at 12:23 pm

    Baltimore doesn’t make reasonable deals with the Yankees.

  52. tampayank June 24th, 2010 at 12:23 pm

    “# mick June 24th, 2010 at 12:11 pm

    kate and cameron should share a box…wait

    :laugh:

  53. Wave Your Hat June 24th, 2010 at 12:23 pm

    Rich in NJ, those 2009 numbers don’t look good, they don’t support the notion of giving him ABs against anyone in the majors.

  54. Shame Spencer June 24th, 2010 at 12:24 pm

    As far as Curtis goes, is there any risk of stunting his development by keeping him around? I wasn’t sure how far along he was.. if he wouldn’t be hurt by only spot starting, I think I’d rather have him around.

  55. mick June 24th, 2010 at 12:24 pm

    anybody hear seinfeld in the mets booth?

  56. Bret the Hitman June 24th, 2010 at 12:24 pm

    I don’t think Hanley Ramirez would be a malcontent on an established team and honored franchise. He’s a Florida Marlin for crissakes.

  57. mick June 24th, 2010 at 12:26 pm

    we need a comedian in the booth

  58. G-C June 24th, 2010 at 12:26 pm

    I think Curtis’s development is pretty much complete. This is what he is and should be, a nice fourth outfielder who can provide some energy and production in spot starts.

    He actually reminds me quite a bit of another old Yankee outfielder with the initials CC, Chad Curtis.

  59. mick June 24th, 2010 at 12:27 pm

    Rodney would have said:
    “That Michael Kay, he gets no respect, I tell ya, no respect.” :)

  60. blake June 24th, 2010 at 12:27 pm

    under different circumstances Mike Lowell wouldn’t be too bad a fit for the Yankee needs….would never ever happen but just sayin…

  61. tampayank June 24th, 2010 at 12:27 pm

    nah but I heard Seinfeld wasn’t that great

    and I could agree about Hanley, maybe momentum of a new ballpark will increase the excitement for the Marlins but watching Rays and Marlins home games on TV can be depressing. But you put Hanley in New York or any other franchise that has consistent support, don’t think you would have issues w/ him

  62. Bret the Hitman June 24th, 2010 at 12:28 pm

    Maybe Colin Curtis can morph into a David Delucci type 4th OF.

  63. m June 24th, 2010 at 12:29 pm

    Gagne? LOL he almost singlehandedly kept the sox from the playoffs that yr.

    Just saw that Isner won that epic match. Unbelievable.

    Bret, u can’t get on the bandwagon. GGBG needs at least one doubter for motivation. :)

    And how about that Yankee rotation?!

  64. Jerkface June 24th, 2010 at 12:31 pm

    Mike Lowell is very much a bad fit for the yankees. Can’t play defense anymore, can barely run, can’t really hit. Old, expensive, no point.

  65. Bret the Hitman June 24th, 2010 at 12:32 pm

    Bret, u can’t get on the bandwagon. GGBG needs at least one doubter for motivation.
    ********

    That’s OK. I’m a fast runner and all-around tremendous athlete.

    You can all keep your spots and squeeze me out but you’ll be seeing me close behind you sprinting as I attempt to keep pace with it.

  66. five iron from fenway June 24th, 2010 at 12:35 pm

    I would pay to see Kate and Cameron share a box.
    There was a time before Curtis got hurt that Donnie Collins in Scranton had Colin for an unbelievable catch a game two weeks in a row. He is a very good defensive replacement at all 3 spots.

  67. m June 24th, 2010 at 12:36 pm

    Bret the Ironman!

    Enjoy the offday, everyone! Be nice to each other. Life is good!

  68. SJ44 June 24th, 2010 at 12:36 pm

    The Marlins aren’t trading Hanley Ramirez. They just fired a manager who didn’t get along with Hanley. That tells you all you need to know about how set he is in Florida.

    Joba doesn’t show anything that would resemble a “top shelf” starting pitcher. He’s had two good, 1 inning outings in a row. That’s what relief pitchers do. Or at least are supposed to do.

    We haven’t seen anything in Joba so far this year that shows he can sustain stuff or success in larger role on the team.

    They aren’t going to pass on going after Cliff Lee to give Joba another shot in the rotation.

    Cliff Lee is an elite starting pitcher. Joba is not. The Yankees like adding elite players when possible via free agency. I don’t see that policy changing this off-season.

  69. Bret the Hitman June 24th, 2010 at 12:38 pm

    SJ,

    90 slider, 98 MPH fastball.

    Man, you’ve really soured on Joba.

  70. Rich in NJ June 24th, 2010 at 12:39 pm

    WYH

    He’s the best the Yankees have offensive/defense in terms of mL OF depth.

  71. Watchdog June 24th, 2010 at 12:40 pm

    If A-Rod was investigated for sexual assault, it would be front age news. Santana story got no reaction from anyone.

    No stories of distraction to his team, no Lupica column, no investigative report on who the woman is, no staking out his home to get his wifes reaction. Nothing.

    The NY media are sanctimonious phonies who pick their targets.

  72. Bret the Hitman June 24th, 2010 at 12:41 pm

    I’d love for Rachel McAdams to sexually assault me.

  73. G-C June 24th, 2010 at 12:42 pm

    I still don’t see the Yankees signing Lee.

    Doing so would entail committing absurd amounts of money long-term to three mid thirty year old starting pitchers, two of which (Lee and Burnett) have had arm problems in the past.

    My ideal rotation next year is:

    Sabathia
    Hughes
    Pettitte
    Burnett
    Chamberlain

    SJ, I know you don’t believe Joba will return to the rotation, but I still cannot fathom how the organization would completely give up on a 23 year old starting pitcher who was a league average starting pitcher in his first full year as a starter, and who the year before was the best starting pitcher in baseball for a couple of months.

    I’d rather go year-to-year with Pettitte or short term with Vazquez than signing Lee. I have very little faith in his track record and see him returning to his career norms in short order. He’s a good, not great pitcher, not worth the type of money he’s going to command this offseason.

  74. SJ44 June 24th, 2010 at 12:42 pm

    Rich,

    For one inning in two appearances. How does that translate to a 7 inning starting pitcher? It doesn’t.

    It means he’s emptying the tank in his one inning stints. Which you are supposed to do as a relief pitcher.

    That doesn’t mean it translates out to him being able to do that over 100 pitches.

  75. MTU (aka GBURL) June 24th, 2010 at 12:44 pm

    Bret-

    “That’s OK. I’m a fast runner and all-around tremendous athlete.”

    And you’re modest too ! :)

  76. SJ44 June 24th, 2010 at 12:45 pm

    Correction, bret, not rich in my last comment.

    The Yankees just aren’t going to pass on Cliff Lee. Doesn’t mean they are locks to sign him.

    It means they are going to give it their best efforts to do so, IMO.

    Too much talk all around baseball around how much the Yankees love the guy.

    Too many connections between friends (CC and AJ) same agents, stuff like that going on.

    They aren’t going to re-sign Vazquez and even going year to year with Andy won’t preclude them from going after Lee.

    The guy is an elite pitcher who isn’t as 31 years old. FAR from being “old”.

    They aren’t passing on him to throw Joba back into the rotation.

    Especially if he can actually garner some consistency and be effective in the bullpen.

  77. Bret the Hitman June 24th, 2010 at 12:46 pm

    I agree that the team needs to do a better job teaching Joba the necessary conditioning programs required to develop and strengthen stabilizer muscles and fast twitch muscle fibers. It would be great for stamina. He has strong legs and a great base. Let me train him. I’ll do it for free.

    :)

  78. damon (27) June 24th, 2010 at 12:46 pm

    SD -3 TB-1 go Padres!

  79. Stultus Magnus June 24th, 2010 at 12:46 pm

    Joba is not showing top-notch/shelf starter stuff. It’s been a few good innings and a ton of bad ones. He’s not even showing top-notch reliever stuff, at least not with any consistency.

    The Yanks shouldn’t give him another shot at being a starter, not at this point. If that’s what Joba was aiming for, he blew it last season by shaking off every catcher on every pitch and throwing his slider for ball four every other at bat.

  80. G-C June 24th, 2010 at 12:46 pm

    Not sure I believe in the concept of “emptying the tank.”

    Hughes wasn’t throwing much harder in the eighth inning than he is now.

    If Joba can get back to 96-98 out of the pen, there is no doubt in my mind to me that he’ll sit at 94-96 as a starter, just like he did in 2008. It would be criminal to waste that in the eighth inning.

    Amazing to me that people forget Joba’s 6 2/3 outing in Pittsburgh in 2008 when he was SITTING, not throwing, but SITTING, at 100 MPH all night long. If you don’t believe me, check out the Gameday.

  81. Bret the Hitman June 24th, 2010 at 12:47 pm

    MTU (aka GBURL) June 24th, 2010 at 12:44 pm
    Bret-

    “That’s OK. I’m a fast runner and all-around tremendous athlete.”

    And you’re modest too !
    ********************

    As Kelly LaBrock used to say, “Don’t hate me because I’m beautiful”.

    Cripes, I’m sounding like CR9 now.

  82. Rich in NJ June 24th, 2010 at 12:48 pm

    SJ44

    I don’t think I said that.

  83. Joe from Long Island June 24th, 2010 at 12:50 pm

    watchdog – it’s called “selective indignation”.

  84. Joe from Long Island June 24th, 2010 at 12:50 pm

    watchdog – it’s called “selective indignation”.

  85. MTU (aka GBURL) June 24th, 2010 at 12:50 pm

    Bret-

    As far as training Joba goes let’s both do it for free. After a few 10K climbs and a few trips into the Grand Canyon I’ll have him ready for you. ;)

  86. Bret the Hitman June 24th, 2010 at 12:51 pm

    MTU,

    :lol:

    You and me just need to channel all the angst Joba has caused all the millions upon millions of diehard New York Yankees fans and…

    we’ll haze the crap out of him!

    :lol:

  87. MTU (aka GBURL) June 24th, 2010 at 12:52 pm

    Bret-

    And then when we’re done with him we’ll send him out to Swisher’s place for final “Rocky” type training. :)

  88. Rich in NJ June 24th, 2010 at 12:52 pm

    MTU

    If you take him there and try to get him to do that, I wouldn’t bet on you returning. ;)

  89. CountryClub June 24th, 2010 at 12:53 pm

    While I’d be happy for the Yanks to sign Lee, I have to admit it would make me uneasy to see them sign another 30+ pitcher to a 5 yr deal. Still, him and CC would be quite the 1,2 punch in 2011.

  90. tampayank June 24th, 2010 at 12:53 pm

    San Diego up 3-1 early on the Rays

  91. blake June 24th, 2010 at 12:54 pm

    I don’t think its as much about emptying the tank with Joba as it is about him being able to repeat his delivery for 6+ innings.

    He’s having trouble doing it for 1 inning stints on a consistent basis….kinda hard to expect him to do it over a start. I’m not opposed to Joba going back in the rotation at some point…let’s just let him tackle one goal at a time and see where he is at the end of the season.

  92. MTU (aka GBURL) June 24th, 2010 at 12:54 pm

    Rich-

    It wouldn’t be easy carrying him I have to admit but it’s worth a try. :)

  93. SJ44 June 24th, 2010 at 12:55 pm

    Rich,

    Correct, my apologies.

    Its not 2008 anymore with Joba. He has shown no ability to sustain his stuff appearance to appearance, let alone over 100 pitches.

    Its not true re: Hughes. His fastball velocity did increase coming out of the pen last year.

    Its also not just velocity. Its consistency with Joba.

    He isn’t even dominating out of the bullpen. Phil Hughes for example, did last year.

    Joba is what he is at this point. Inconsistent.

    Do you really think the Yankees are going to pass on Cliff Lee, a guy who is the opposite of Joba from a consistency standpoint, to give Joba that rotation slot?

    Just ain’t happenin’.

    If Cliff Lee isn’t a Yankee next year its because he doesn’t want to play with them. It will have nothing to do with the Yankees not pursuing him.

  94. G-C June 24th, 2010 at 12:57 pm

    “Its not 2008 anymore with Joba. He has shown no ability to sustain his stuff appearance to appearance, let alone over 100 pitches.”

    So does that mean he’ll never be able to do it again?

    Give up on the kid at 25 when he flashed that kind of potential not that long ago?

    Doesn’t make any sense to me.

  95. Bret the Hitman June 24th, 2010 at 12:57 pm

    MTU,

    And then we’ll dump him in the throws of thick West Virginia mountain forests in the middle of nowhere and tell him that we will not accept him back on the team unless he returns, on foot, to Yankee stadium with 4-5 full-grown Elk.

    Then we’ll sit there and devour elk stake in front of him while he weeps before us with a mosquito bitten face and cuts and scratches from the unforgiving wilderness.

    He’ll be starving.

    We’ll get fat.

    And we’ll laugh.

    Because we can!

    :lol:

  96. MTU (aka GBURL) June 24th, 2010 at 12:57 pm

    Blake-

    I not giving up on Joba until the Yankees make me.

    Sometimes I am loyal and stubborn to the point of a fault. :(

  97. SJ44 June 24th, 2010 at 12:58 pm

    Everybody wants Andy Pettitte back next year and he’s going to be 39 in 2011.

    If you sign Cliff Lee to a five year deal, he would be 36 at the end of his deal.

    He also has less wear and tear on his arm than Andy has had.

    The guy has never had arm/elbow surgery.

    He’s a health nut.

    If you got three solid years out of him, its worth the investment to the Yankees, who are trying to win the WS every year.

  98. damon (27) June 24th, 2010 at 12:59 pm

    Wade Leblanc (SD) in trouble with Bases loaded 1out, can he find his inner Mariano?

  99. SAS June 24th, 2010 at 1:00 pm

    Question: Is it possible to trade AJ after the season?

  100. CountryClub June 24th, 2010 at 1:01 pm

    Yes, Andy will be 39 next yr. But he’ll also be on a 1 yr deal.

    I wasnt saying I wouldn’t want Lee. Just agreeing that the thought of him, AJ and CC aging together at huge money is a little disconcerting.

  101. MTU (aka GBURL) June 24th, 2010 at 1:01 pm

    Bret-

    Now THAT sounds like a plan !

    How soon can we eat ?

    Don’t forget the bungee jumping off that West Virginia bridge.

    Builds character. :)

  102. Rich in NJ June 24th, 2010 at 1:01 pm

    I think Lee will be a Yankee. Only a few teams can even think of meeting his price. So he has few options as well.

  103. damon (27) June 24th, 2010 at 1:01 pm

    LeBlanc did find his inner Mo, got Upton to hit into a Dbl Play!!

  104. MTU (aka GBURL) June 24th, 2010 at 1:02 pm

    SAS-

    no.

  105. Pat M. June 24th, 2010 at 1:02 pm

    After being so very hot, The Los Angeles Dodgers are on a 6 game skid just as The Bronx Bombers enter Chavez Ravine this weekend……..

  106. Patrick from CT June 24th, 2010 at 1:03 pm

    I don’t think the Yankees pay Cliff Lee the 18-20 per year for 4-5 years it’s going to take unless someone gets hurt or Andy retires.
    If Andy keeps rolling along and stays healthy, why wouldn’t he come back?
    I think the $$ for both Lee and Andy along with CC and AJ is just way too much.
    70+mil per year for 4 pitchers is out of wack. I just don’t see it…

  107. blake June 24th, 2010 at 1:03 pm

    MTU,
    I’m not giving up on Joba either…just think we should let the year play out and see where he’s at in November. He’s shown flashes of the dominance we saw 3 years ago…now can he turn those flashes into consistency? We’ll find out…

  108. Bret the Hitman June 24th, 2010 at 1:04 pm

    I’d be all over Lee if the Yanks found a way to move AJ.

    If they wanted to move him for Lee in season, it would add a ring IMHO but would also cost the Yankees big time in talent as we’d have to attach at least one major prospect in the deal.

    It could work possibly as a 3 way deal.

    AJ’s worth more in the NL.

  109. Bronx Jeers June 24th, 2010 at 1:04 pm

    3 monster lefties in the rotation?

    If you went into the postseason coasting in 1st and you had the ability to set up the rotation just so…. “Sudden Death by Southpaw”?

  110. tampayank June 24th, 2010 at 1:05 pm

    the Rays starters have been struggling, trying to avoid getting swept at home by San Diego….I think Boston is more of a threat the rest of the summer than Tampa

  111. SJ44 June 24th, 2010 at 1:07 pm

    It means he just may be better suited, for a variety of reasons, for pitching out of the bullpen rather than being in the starting rotation.

    Not everybody is cut out to be a 200 inning starting pitcher over the long haul of his career.

    Joba just may be one of those guys.

  112. Pat M. June 24th, 2010 at 1:07 pm

    Tampa just doesn’t win at home

  113. tampayank June 24th, 2010 at 1:08 pm

    yeah a bit odd how mediocre their home record is while their road record might be the best in the bigs(not sure if it still is)

  114. SJ44 June 24th, 2010 at 1:09 pm

    They aren’t trading AJ to get Lee.

    AJ may be a big reason why Cliff Lee comes to NY. Something to think about.

  115. Joe from Long Island June 24th, 2010 at 1:09 pm

    Pat M – Hi. When I saw the standings this morning, I immediately thought of you. You claimed that the Yanks would have a 3G lead by the ASB. Well, if Tampa loses today, they will have achieved that on June 24. You may have underestimated them, just like you have underestimated Phil – 13-7 and ERA of – what was it, 4? – this season. Oh, ye of little faith…. ;)

  116. Chip June 24th, 2010 at 1:09 pm

    I’ve been struggling for a way to define last night’s game and Mike Francesa managed to sum up my thoughts perfectly:

    “The Yankees must have taken stupid pills before last night’s game. That was the ugliest game that a team this good could have played.”

    A win is a win is a win but jeeze that was a painful game to watch on so many levels.

  117. Chip June 24th, 2010 at 1:10 pm

    SJ44 June 24th, 2010 at 1:09 pm
    They aren?t trading AJ to get Lee.

    AJ may be a big reason why Cliff Lee comes to NY. Something to think about.
    ——————

    AJ and CC…

  118. GreenBeret7 June 24th, 2010 at 1:10 pm

    Watching BJ Upton trotting down the line on a DP grounder that he should have beaten out is why Tampa is going to have trouble winning close games. He hits a lead-off homer in the first and dogs it when with some effort he beats the relay and Tampa scores a run. He’s not Justin Upton.

  119. MTU (aka GBURL) June 24th, 2010 at 1:11 pm

    Blake-

    I understood what you were saying and I agree with it.

    I also realize that SJ is probably right and the ship has already sailed on Joba and starting.

    I was just pointing out a couple of my failings as a a person.

    That I can be overly determined and overly loyal.

  120. Bret the Hitman June 24th, 2010 at 1:11 pm

    Justin Upton is a monster.

    He is the reason why I am afraid of the dark.

  121. upstate kate June 24th, 2010 at 1:12 pm

    why wouldn’t the Yankees want Lee? He was good last year, got the only 2 wins for the Phillies in the WS. Since coming off the DL, he is pitching well, 76 Ks, w/ only 4 BB, and has pitched 4 CG.

    Pat M
    maybe it is the revenge of the Trop for all the talk about builing a new stadium

  122. Giuseppe Franco June 24th, 2010 at 1:12 pm

    Singing Cliff Lee (with Pettitte returning) would also give this team three very good lefties in the starting rotation and pitching in a ballpark best suited for left handed pitchers (and hitters for that matter).

    That would be pretty tough to beat.

  123. Joe from Long Island June 24th, 2010 at 1:13 pm

    GB – are you serious? BJ gave up on a ground ball in that setting? If that’s right, Maddon must be beside himself. Not to mention the other players. How must that sort of thing go over in the clubhouse?

  124. Chip June 24th, 2010 at 1:13 pm

    MTU -

    I haven’t given up on the notion that Joba could be a very good starter, I just can’t imagine that the Yankees are going to go through the whole stretch him out process again…

    The guy has been a human yo-yo and I think the Yankees are just at a stage where they’re going to let him stick with a role.

    Personally – I still think Joba will be traded this winter, but that’s another story.

  125. Patrick from CT June 24th, 2010 at 1:14 pm

    If the argument is Andy for 1 year @ 12mil vs. Cliff Lee for 5 years @18mil, I take Andy at this point in time.
    Also, I have no issue what so ever if the Yanks want to spend the big $$ for Cliff Lee if Andy retires. Cliff Lee is a great pitcher and worth more than Lackey, Beckette, or AJ.
    I just don’t think both Andy and Lee are required and the $$ are out of line for a team that claims to want a pay roll off around 200mil.

  126. upstate kate June 24th, 2010 at 1:14 pm

    Giuseppe
    how are you doing? continuing to make progress I hope.

  127. tampayank June 24th, 2010 at 1:14 pm

    there’s no guarantee Pettitte keeps this up or matches it next year, I hope he does. Would Cliff Lee want to come to New York? Don’t know his personality, hopefully it’s not like Randy Johnson, that was a disaster for the most part

  128. GreenBeret7 June 24th, 2010 at 1:16 pm

    Joe from Long Island June 24th, 2010 at 1:13 pm
    GB – are you serious? BJ gave up on a ground ball in that setting? If that’s right, Maddon must be beside himself. Not to mention the other players. How must that sort of thing go over in the clubhouse?

    ———————————————————————————————————————

    The ball was hit to shortstop about medium speed, but, the shortstop took his time getting the 30 foot throw to 2nd and he was still out by 20 feet.

  129. tampayank June 24th, 2010 at 1:16 pm

    BJ Upton looks like he never has a plan at the plate, just swings recklessly ….he definitely is not as valuable as his younger brother. His defense however, is amazing to watch, covers so much ground

  130. Giuseppe Franco June 24th, 2010 at 1:16 pm

    Singing Cliff Lee (with Pettitte returning) would also give this team three very good lefties in the starting rotation and pitching in a ballpark best suited for left handed pitchers (and hitters for that matter).

    ———-

    Of course, that’s supposed to be signing Cliff Lee. Although, I’m sure the organization would be doing a lot of singing too if they do indeed sign him.

  131. Chip June 24th, 2010 at 1:16 pm

    Oh, and I just want to say one thing about Mariano Rivera:

    Goose Gossage – shut the ….. up. Mariano is the best there is, the best there was, the best there ever will be at his position.

    Whether it is Joba or someone else, Yankee fans are going to loathe the next closer of this team because of how high Rivera has set the bar.

  132. Bronx Jeers June 24th, 2010 at 1:16 pm

    I always thought Boston was the real threat anyway. We’ll see if they fall into their usual summer swoon.

  133. Joe from Long Island June 24th, 2010 at 1:17 pm

    tampayank – Lee seems a bit less tightly wound than Randy Johnson. A bit less “high maintenance”. Coming into a clubhouse with buddies CC and AJ would help, also.

  134. Bret the Hitman June 24th, 2010 at 1:17 pm

    Yankee fans are going to loathe the next closer of this team because of how high Rivera has set the bar.
    ********

    Not if the next closer is JOAKIM SORIA

  135. Chip June 24th, 2010 at 1:18 pm

    Patrick from CT June 24th, 2010 at 1:14 pm
    If the argument is Andy for 1 year @ 12mil vs. Cliff Lee for 5 years @18mil, I take Andy at this point in time.
    Also, I have no issue what so ever if the Yanks want to spend the big $$ for Cliff Lee if Andy retires. Cliff Lee is a great pitcher and worth more than Lackey, Beckette, or AJ.
    I just don?t think both Andy and Lee are required and the $$ are out of line for a team that claims to want a pay roll off around 200mil.
    ———————-

    Patrick – I think you can have both.

    In fact, I would go a step further. If Andy retires I sign Lee and trade for Dan Haren.

  136. ac1 June 24th, 2010 at 1:18 pm

    we though tex is struggling. carlos pena is batting .199.

  137. Giuseppe Franco June 24th, 2010 at 1:19 pm

    Chip,

    My question to you is why would you be listening to Francesa in the first place?

    It makes more sense to sniff paint thinner in the garage.

  138. ac1 June 24th, 2010 at 1:19 pm

    make that .198.

  139. tampayank June 24th, 2010 at 1:19 pm

    yeah Chip, Goose Gossage runs his mouth every spring training…..he just is an attention w**** Mo is a class act and I doubt he would come around running his mouth about other players when he retires

  140. Pat M. June 24th, 2010 at 1:19 pm

    Joe from Long Island…..You might be right about my lowballing Young Master Hughes……13-7, 3.75 ERA seems just a tad off….And to think, many thought I was nuts when I posted that…….How’s the good Doctor today ?????

  141. Chip June 24th, 2010 at 1:19 pm

    Patrick,

    As for the salary – if that’s something you want to focus on:

    Between the departures of Javy Vazquez, Randy Winn and Nick Johnson that’s more than enough to slot in Lee and still have room left over.

  142. ac1 June 24th, 2010 at 1:20 pm

    there’s no guarantee Pettitte keeps this up or matches it next year, I hope he does. Would Cliff Lee want to come to New York? Don’t know his personality, hopefully it’s not like Randy Johnson, that was a disaster for the most part
    _____

    Cliff is an assassin like Tex was. He will go where the money takes him (on a winner).

  143. Chip June 24th, 2010 at 1:21 pm

    Franco –

    It’s entertaining.

    Tampayank -

    I respect what Goose did, but he’s got this huge chip on his shoulder that you think would have gone away when he got the call to Cooperstown, but he just keeps chirping and keeps taking shots at Rivera. He just needs to pipe down.

  144. Joe from Long Island June 24th, 2010 at 1:21 pm

    Tex is actually hitting about .290 the past three weeks or so. In other words, his usual. So, his season average will only slowly go up. But that’s ok, if his production goin forward is at his usual clip. The only thing that would happen is his end of the year average might be .260 – .270, instead of .295. But as long as the production is there at that point in time, everything will be ok.

  145. SJ44 June 24th, 2010 at 1:21 pm

    There aren’t any Cliff Lee’s coming up in free agency the next few years.

    Pitching is THE most prized commodity in the game.

    If the Yankees were to lock up Lee, they have a rotation of CC, Hughes, AJ and Lee as their Top 4.

    If Andy comes back, its the best rotation in the game. If he doesn’t, one of the young guys can fill the 5th spot.

    You still have a dominant rotation with guys like Brackman and Betances developing in the background.

    One thing you have to remember about the Yankees…..

    Only the truly elite talents come through the farm system and garner starting roles on this team.

    Montero, Brackman, Romine and Betances, are the elite prospects in the system right now. That’s always fluid considering how guys are developing. Kids like Jose Ramirez, Heathcott, Baneulos and Gary Sanchez are potential elite talents as they develop. That’s actually a pretty good number of talented kids from a % standpoint.

    Everybody else is potential trade bait to upgrade the current roster.

    That means guys like David Phelps, Hector Noesi, Adam Warren, and David Adams for example, have real value to the Yankees.

    Not for what they could bring to the major league roster. Its for what they can bring in trades to upgrade the ML roster.

    Its why those expecting an all homegrown team are going to be disappointed.

    If they have a shot to get Cliff Lee, they are getting him. They aren’t passing on a talent like that for the “might be’s” a guy like Chamberlain or a prospect could be.

  146. GreenBeret7 June 24th, 2010 at 1:22 pm

    Ouch. Runners on 1st and 3rd with nobody out. Pena strikes out and Aybar grounds into a DP. Nobody scores.

  147. Giuseppe Franco June 24th, 2010 at 1:23 pm

    # upstate kate June 24th, 2010 at 1:14 pm

    Giuseppe
    how are you doing? continuing to make progress I hope.

    ———–

    I feel great. Thank you for asking.

    Still in physical therapy. They just added another month of PT because I continue to progress. No setbacks at all since February and that’s extremely rare for anyone going through any kind of rehab. I’ve been really fortunate in that regard.

    I can pretty much do everything I did before I got sick so my life is pretty normal these days.

    Again, thank you for asking.

  148. MTU (aka GBURL) June 24th, 2010 at 1:23 pm

    Chip-

    I am not looking to rekindle the great Joba debate.

    I pointed out a couple of my flaws above.

    Won’t give up on the kid until the Yankees make it 100% clear that I have to.

    I am afraid I see things in Joba that others may not.

    He has the talent but as SJ has pointed out he may not be suited for
    starting. I hold out a slim hope that the Yankees can still be persuaded otherwise.

    He generates a lot of passion on both sides of the equation.

    Would love to see him reach higher ground so to speak. May not get there.

  149. Erica in NY June 24th, 2010 at 1:24 pm

    New thread :arrow:

  150. SJ44 June 24th, 2010 at 1:24 pm

    Unless they are interested in having Dan Haren be the DH, I don’t see the Yankees trading for him.

    Not worth the prospects given his stuff isn’t what it was a couple of years ago.

    They don’t need to trade for a starting pitcher if they sign Lee.

  151. Patrick from CT June 24th, 2010 at 1:25 pm

    The Yankees are rolling if we’re talk about next year.
    2011 Rotation
    CC
    Phil
    Andy or Cliff Lee
    AJ
    Joba, Serg, or some other cheap pitcher.

    SJ44,
    You argue against fantasy talk all the time.
    Having CC, AJ, Andy, and Cliff Lee seems like fantasy land to me.

  152. G. Love June 24th, 2010 at 1:27 pm

    They are not trading AJ. I wouldn’t even want them to trade AJ. Know why? AJ cares about winning and knows something is wrong and is going to fix it.

    He also helped pitch us to a title last year, although some of you have very short memories of that.

    I expect him to work this out and have a dominating stretch this summer.

    This team does not need to trade the farm for Cliff Lee this season. Unless an injury happens in the rotation. Then it’s worth considering. Right now, our rotation is doing great. It would be dumb to use trade chips now for a player who is sitting there waiting for us in a few months for just money.

    I’m all for making trades to improve the team, but the kind of prospects the M’s are going to get for Lee are not worth giving up with the rotation we currently have.

    I really just want some Arod/DH insurance. A guy who can DH and play some 3b and hit RH would fit in perfect here.

    I also want to see Joe give Colin Curtis a chance to play when we get to back to AL games and have the DH. The ball just leaps off his bat. All of you prospect huggers who have been touting the kid get props from me. He had a huge at bat last night and produced when called upon.

    As for last night, it was hilarious watching everyone slitting their wrists in here over the Red Sox hitting an ill Ubaldo and then seeing the Red Sox lose the game. You know why they lost? Their bullpen is thinner than ours and they are turning Bard into Scott Proctor. That pen is 2 deep and they run Bard and Papelbum out all the time. Mo, meanwhile, sits on a throne and gets tons of rest until we really need him.

    Girardi is managing our pen just fine. Joba looked sensational the past 2 nights and Robertsen is getting more consistent. Marte was a disaster, but I think his issue is his role. He is usually used for only one batter most nights. I’m not surprised he’s struggling to find his control with such little use.

  153. blake June 24th, 2010 at 1:34 pm

    G. Love,
    Totally agree on Girardi…some of his bullpen moves may not make sense at the time but I think he is always managing with a big picture in mind…namely keeping everyone fresh for the entire season and playoffs. Its probably his best athribute as a manager IMO.

  154. damon (27) June 24th, 2010 at 1:40 pm

    Wade LeBlanc (left handed) has had back to back innings with bases loaded 1 out, and induced a DP to end the innings. Garza is in a duel today. Still SD-3 TB-1 AFTER 4.

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