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Torre: “Pulling against people I’ve never pulled against”

Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Podcast on Jun 24, 2010 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

After Joe Torre answered two questions about the Dodgers this afternoon, a Los Angeles reporter looked at the group of writers huddled in the dugout and said, “It looks like you have some old friends here.”

“Who told you that?” Torre said. “Them?”

The Yankees are playing in northern Los Angeles tomorrow, but tonight most of the Yankees beat writers are in Anaheim. Early morning flights from Phoenix, early afternoons spent stuck in L.A. traffic and finally a few minutes with Torre, who began quickly joking with the reporters he knew so well in New York.

“The odd thing for me is I’m going to be over there in that dugout pulling against people I’ve never pulled against before,” he said. “That’s the weird part. I’m sure the competitiveness comes out and you probably won’t think about it as much then as I am now.”

Torre said he ate lunch today with Yankees trainers Gene Monahan and Steve Donohue, and with Yankees clubhouse manager Lou Cucuzza. “Some of my old gang,” he said. He expects tomorrow to be emotional for him, at least until the game starts.

“Considering that while I was there we eliminated all of their weaknesses, I’m sorry I did that now,” he joked.

Here’s the audio for most of the interview, 11 minutes or so. Torre talked quite a bit about the book, his relationship with the front office and the impact of moving to Los Angeles.

“The thing that gets me is last year, I’m watching the World Series, and not one minute did I wish I was in the dugout to be honest with you,” he said. “It was great and I did it a lot of times, but that was enough.”

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218 Responses to “Torre: “Pulling against people I’ve never pulled against””

  1. Bret the Hitman June 24th, 2010 at 10:21 pm

    I’m glad to hear about your nephew, SJ. He sounds like the type of hard worker who won’t miss a beat.

    Re: Cliff Lee

    One of the main reasons why Lee is a Yankee target in the first place is because the front office dished out big money to AJ Burnett to pitch like a number 2. While they gave him number 2 money, they still feel uncomfortable with him taking the ball in a Game 2 after CC. So the fact that Lee is a part of the discussion is largely a result of a miscalculation of Burnett by the Yankees.

    So, if Lee arrives here to pitch a Game 2 after CC and gets paid or extended for 18-20 million per season or makes even close to the 125 million he supposedly is demanding, then I want the Yankees to admit they made a mistake paying big money to AJ and try to move that contract to an NL team where he actually has a chance to earn it as a number 2.

    I don’t care if they have the same agent. I don’t care that he and Lee are friends. CC and Lee are friends. I don’t care if it takes a 3 way deal or 2 2 way deals.

    I don’t want to see CC for 23, Lee for 18-20, AJ for 16, Andy for 15 and Vazquez for 11.5.

    I would want to move a long-term contract from the rotation if Lee comes here.

    If it’s not possible to move AJ, then I don’t want Lee.

  2. Its easy June 24th, 2010 at 10:24 pm

    i didn’t know you were paying for some of their salaries

  3. tacp June 24th, 2010 at 10:25 pm

    No one cares what you want, Bret.

  4. Its easy June 24th, 2010 at 10:26 pm

    or look at it this way – would you rather cliff lee win 2 games in the ALCS pitching for the yankees – or against them?

  5. Hey Kelvin says June 24th, 2010 at 10:27 pm

    Brett, your being crazy bro.

    AJ is unmoveable. Not only because the money but because his no trade clause. FULL NTC.

  6. Sevrx June 24th, 2010 at 10:27 pm

    Who the heck is going to take AJ’s contract?

    3 years and $58 million (plus the salary this year) for an inconsistent .500 pitcher who will be 34 years old before next season starts and who is not going to age well?

    This isin’t fantasy baseball.

    Just hide him in the #5 spot when we get Lee next year. As a #5, he is not as much of a liability.

  7. Mr.Jackson June 24th, 2010 at 10:28 pm

    Bret, you’re a tool.

  8. Giuseppe Franco June 24th, 2010 at 10:29 pm

    I’m already tired of the Torre stuff. Can’t wait for this weekend to be over with so we don’t have to hear about it anymore.

    Regarding Cliff Lee, I don’t think the Yanks’ interest in him has anything to do with Burnett and his recent struggles.

    It’s been well established that the Yanks have been targeting Lee for some time now. Burnett has only struggled the last few weeks and started the season very well.

  9. Betsy - Hughes rules (pleading the Fifth) June 24th, 2010 at 10:29 pm

    I’ll be glad when the series is over so we don’t have to read any more about Torre and co…………

  10. Betsy - Hughes rules (pleading the Fifth) June 24th, 2010 at 10:31 pm

    And that’s great – not once last year did I wish Torre were still here.

    It’s unfortunate that people now are so eager to trade AJ – too bad for them that it’s never going to happen. The Yankees are more than happy to live with what he gives them, even if he’s not a great pitcher. AJ’s a good pitcher; if fans resent him for what he’s not, that’s too bad – it’s also their problem.

  11. Bret the Hitman June 24th, 2010 at 10:31 pm

    Put another way.

    If Burnett really turned a corner in Toronto and was pitching like a lock down number 2 starter behind CC, we wouldn’t be discussing double paying for a pitcher who wants 125 million.

  12. jennifer June 24th, 2010 at 10:32 pm

    Giuseppe- I agree. These next three games will be unwatchable and listenable.

  13. Bret the Hitman June 24th, 2010 at 10:33 pm

    AJ does not have a full no-trade clause. That is false.

  14. Betsy - Hughes rules (pleading the Fifth) June 24th, 2010 at 10:33 pm

    SJ, great news about Tony – very glad to hear it.

  15. Jim June 24th, 2010 at 10:34 pm

    Watching Burnett age is going to be scary

    That’s why people should want Lee. Slot him with CC and Hughes for the next 5 years rather than rely on an aging Burnett to give you above average performance.

  16. Yankee DC June 24th, 2010 at 10:36 pm

    It may have changed now, but when he signed the contract, he was the 5th highest paid pitcher in baseball.

    5th highest paid pitcher for a guy you have no idea what you are going to get when he takes the mound?

    No GM is taking that. We’re stuck with it. If he had 1.5 years instead of 3.5 left, maybe. But no one wants him ages 34-36 at 16.5 per.

  17. Giuseppe Franco June 24th, 2010 at 10:37 pm

    If Burnett really turned a corner in Toronto and was pitching like a lock down number 2 starter behind CC, we wouldn’t be discussing double paying for a pitcher who wants 125 million.

    ———-

    How do you know that Burnett has anything to do with their interest in Lee?

    It’s completely unrelated. The Yanks have been linked to Lee for some time.

  18. Bret the Hitman June 24th, 2010 at 10:37 pm

    AJ Burnett is not being paid 58 million dollars for the next 3 years.

    You change the math when you omit the half season in 2010.

    He makes an average of 16.5 million, not 20 as its been framed.

    A.J. Burnett rhp
    5 years/$82.5M (2009-13)
    5 years/$82.5M (2009-13)
    signed by NY Yankees as a free agent 12/12/08
    09-13:$16.5M annually
    limited no-trade clause (Burnett may block deals to 10 clubs each year)

  19. Bret the Hitman June 24th, 2010 at 10:39 pm

    I think an NL GM would take most of AJ’s salary and easily make him a number 2 starter. This is the National League we’re talking about here.

  20. m June 24th, 2010 at 10:39 pm

    The Yankees would be hot for Lee no matter what. For the Yankees that’s like saying the sun will come up tomorrow.

  21. Yankee Trader June 24th, 2010 at 10:39 pm

    AJ’s contract actually is not a full NTC but he can list 10 teams/year he’s not willing to be dealt to. Realistically he’s untradeable, unless the Yankess take on a similar onerous contract, like Carlos Zambrano, who’s contract is worse than AJ’s, and the Yankees wouldn’t fall into that trap.

  22. Betsy - Hughes rules (pleading the Fifth) June 24th, 2010 at 10:39 pm

    Just because disgruntled fans are unhappy with AJ doesn’t mean the Yankees think they are. You can talk all you want about how no one would want to take on AJ’s contract, but since the Yankees don’t have any interest in trying to trade him, it’s all moot.

  23. Frank June 24th, 2010 at 10:41 pm

    Bottom Line: Joe Torre needed the NY Yankees a lot more than the NY Yankees needed Joe Torre.

  24. SJ44 June 24th, 2010 at 10:41 pm

    Bret,

    Lee and AJ have no effect on each other re: the Yankees.

    The Yankees envision Lee AND AJ in their rotation. Not one or the other.

    Lee isn’t getting 125 million from anybody. Don’t get sucked into asking prices.

    In the end, he will get less than that by a fair margin.

  25. SAS June 24th, 2010 at 10:42 pm

    SJ,

    Great news about your nephew. All best wishes

  26. Joe from Long Island June 24th, 2010 at 10:42 pm

    Didn’t see the new thread.

    Bret ? I respectfully disagree with your analysis, above.

    I don?t think the Yanks miscalculated. I think they realized they were taking a bit of a risk with the dollars. The thing was, they still needed another starter, and after CC he was the best pitcher on the market. What, you would have preferred Derek Lowe? And AJ did pitch well when needed last year ? the playoffs and WS. He was as good as you can be in WS game 2, after Lee won game 1. So, I think AJ earned his keep last year.

    But, as we all know, AJ is still AJ no matter how much $$$ you throw at him. It?s not that he doesn?t try his best, it?s just that?s who and what he is.

    As far as not wanting to tie up more money with Cliff Lee ? I?d look at it like any investment. Will investing that much money let you accomplish your goal? And how much is that goal worth to you? Whether it?s buying stocks for retirement planning, planning for the kids? education, or wanting to make even more $$$ by winning the WS and filling that stadium and selling YES air time to advertisers night after night, it?s still calculating return on investment.

    But, what do I know. Cash probably has a whole other set of priorities. We will see. Stay tuned.

  27. m June 24th, 2010 at 10:43 pm

    And we all know the sun will come up tomorrow. :P

  28. Jaba tips his Cap June 24th, 2010 at 10:44 pm

    core 4 is good.
    but w/o CC, AJ, A-Rod and Tex, core 4 couldn’t win WS.

    nuff said

  29. SAS June 24th, 2010 at 10:44 pm

    Doreen,

    I wrote a bunch of stuff on the last thread thinking these folks had dozed off for a few minutes. Somehow, I miss new threads often.

    The most important thing is skip Cracker Barrel.

  30. SJ44 June 24th, 2010 at 10:45 pm

    Betsy,

    Thanks.

    That’s just it. The Yankees aren’t unhappy with AJ and aren’t interested in trading him.

    There aren’t 4 NL teams who could take on his contract right now. He also would block the deal.

    He isn’t going anywhere and it has zero effect on the Yankees interest in Cliff Lee.

  31. m June 24th, 2010 at 10:45 pm

    Okay, let’s talk something else.

    1) Do the Yankees offer Javy arbitration?
    2) And does anyone think Andy hangs ‘em up?

  32. Yankee Trader June 24th, 2010 at 10:45 pm

    Lee would be a nice offseason move as a lefty replacement for Pettitte, should he retire. I understand the Mets are interested in Lee, without asking the Mariners for an extension to sign him to a long term deal.

    Would any of you trade Vazquez [11.5M] for Ted Lilly [12M]??

  33. Vic June 24th, 2010 at 10:53 pm

    The Yanks don’t have to worry about trading AJ, nobody will take him.

  34. SAS June 24th, 2010 at 10:53 pm

    m

    I think if Andy ends the year about as well as he is pitching now, he will be back, and I hope he has a couple more good years. I am a big Andy fan.

  35. Jaz June 24th, 2010 at 10:55 pm

    The Yankees have no choice but to stay with AJ.

    You think they are happy that they have no idea what they get when he takes the mound or if he is going to pitch his team out of a game?

    They are stuck with him whether they like it or not.

  36. XP June 24th, 2010 at 10:55 pm

    Jaba tips his Cap June 24th, 2010 at 10:44 pm
    core 4 is good.
    but w/o CC, AJ, A-Rod and Tex, core 4 couldn’t win WS.

    nuff said
    ———————————————————
    NO,it’s

    core 4 vs FA group : 5:1

  37. MO 42 June 24th, 2010 at 10:57 pm

    There is no salary cap in baseball. Burnett’s awful contract does not prohibit us from signing someone better to be the #2. We can afford a very expensive 5th starter, that is the luxury we have.

  38. CK in LA June 24th, 2010 at 11:00 pm

    “The thing that gets me is last year, I’m watching the World Series, and not one minute did I wish I was in the dugout to be honest with you,” he said. “It was great and I did it a lot of times, but that was enough.”

    Not sure Dodger fans want to hear this. The ownership is so messed up, they probably missed the fact that they’ve hired a manager that doesn’t want to go to the WS again.

  39. ron June 24th, 2010 at 11:00 pm

    We have a good pitching staff,great at times but vaz & burnett scare me & i am sure cashman & girrardi would love to have lee to pitch after cc.

    The strange thing about burnett is he pitched well enough to be an important piece last year.I just wish he could master a change up,he would be scarry.

    Hughes imo will be a great pitcher but he has an era around 4.80 era over his last 7 games.

  40. GreenBeret7 June 24th, 2010 at 11:02 pm

    The Yankees got the same pitcher in 2009 as he was in 2008 and the same pitcher he is today. Go back and look at both years after 14 starts. There’s almost zero difference in the 3 years, though 2008 was worse than this year and 2009.

  41. Yankee Trader June 24th, 2010 at 11:03 pm

    It would be nice to have the big lefty back, but it might all depend how he feels the 2nd half, and how far the Yankees go in the playoffs, not to mention time away from his family.

    As far as offering Vazquez arbitration, unless he finds his velocity and becomes more consistent, I doubt he’s offered it, as they will plow that money into lefty Lee and resigning Jeter and Rivera.

    Can anyone really believe that a NL owner will be willing to take on AJ’s contract, let alone having AJ OK the deal?

  42. m June 24th, 2010 at 11:04 pm

    SAS,

    I think that Andy will be back. I know his boys want and need him around, but it wouldn’t hurt to add to the estate. ;)

    What’s Andy at now? 238 wins? I think he could tack on a few more there. :)

  43. Bronx Jeers June 24th, 2010 at 11:05 pm

    I don’t see AJ going anywhere but he can block trades to 10 teams. And although I don’t know the specifics I would assume that those 10 teams have already been selected.

    So there are 19 teams that the Yanks could trade AJ to without his permission.

    But I have to believe that we’ll be praising AJ for his turnaround soon enough.

  44. Yankee Trader June 24th, 2010 at 11:07 pm

    This just in. Cubs and Yankees discussing a straight up swap of Carlos Zambrano and Geovany Soto for AJ Burnett and Jorge Posada!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!NOT!!!

  45. Lisa June 24th, 2010 at 11:08 pm

    Torre’s pulling against people he’s never pulled against? Oh, I think he pulled against A-Rod plenty of times when Joe was the Yankee manager. Nobody could throw Alex under the bus the way St. Joe could!

  46. Betsy - Hughes rules (pleading the Fifth) June 24th, 2010 at 11:12 pm

    Ron, that 4.80 ERA is very skewed. People (not saying you) throw that out there and it makes it sounds like he’s been bad throughout, but that’s not even the case.

    Sox round 2 – bad (mostly due to one inning, but ok still bad)
    Mets round 1 – mediocre
    Indians – good/very good
    O’s at YS: tremendous start
    O’s at Camden Yards: good, had no stuff
    Astros – bad
    Mets round 2 – very good

    We’re talking 2 bad starts and one “eh” surrounding 4 good/very good starts. It is true that his command is not as sharp; I’m not sure if rest will cure that or how he can get that back, but I would imagine he’d be fine……..IF fatigue doesn’t get him. He’s going to start facing AL East teams (starting with the Jays on July 4) a lot now, so that will be a test for him.

    The Yankees don’t have to worry about no team wanting to take on AJ’s contract because they have no interest in dealing him.

  47. SAS June 24th, 2010 at 11:12 pm

    You all forget that Cano was on Torre’s teams too.

  48. vtred June 24th, 2010 at 11:13 pm

    Two of the games are on National TV

    So we get to hear Joe Buck/McCarver and Morgan/Miller genuflect about Torre all weekend.

  49. Betsy - Hughes rules (pleading the Fifth) June 24th, 2010 at 11:14 pm

    I don’t want Javy back, so no – I would not offer him arb. He would take it in a heartbeat. It’s too bad because we won’t get picks for him – :mad:

    I’ve no idea about Andy, but I do think we need another pitcher for next year even if he returns. No matter how great he’s been this year, you just don’t know how long he can do this……………

  50. Jake June 24th, 2010 at 11:15 pm

    “The Yankees don’t have to worry about no team wanting to take on AJ’s contract because they have no interest in dealing him.”

    Or, they have no interest in dealing him because they realize no one would anyway and they shouldn’t even bother trying.

  51. GreenBeret7 June 24th, 2010 at 11:15 pm

    How long will it be before the media and real people start chirping about Pettitte being nothing but a stat compiler? You know, the same thing they’ve always held against John, Blyleven and Kaat when talking HOF candidacy?

  52. Vic June 24th, 2010 at 11:16 pm

    He went 6 innings and gave up 3 runs in the Camden Yards start… that is a 4.50 ERA.

    Not terrible, but not great. Solid.

  53. CD June 24th, 2010 at 11:18 pm

    “How long will it be before the media and real people start chirping about Pettitte being nothing but a stat compiler? You know, the same thing they’ve always held against John, Blyleven and Kaat when talking HOF candidacy?”

    His ERA is almost 4. So obviously, he would fit the definition of a compiler— accumulated most stats through longevity, not dominance. His postseason stats are also a product of opportunity. He has had what, 36 postseason starts?

    He is a great Yankee, but he is the definition of a compiler. Spent a lot of time in the game, all on good teams.

  54. Betsy - Hughes rules (pleading the Fifth) June 24th, 2010 at 11:20 pm

    Jake, have it your way…

  55. Bronx Jeers June 24th, 2010 at 11:22 pm

    If Javy continues to pitch like he has since early May then he’ll probably be able to score a 2-3 year deal for 10+ mil per and he’ll probably decline an arbitration offer.

  56. tampayank June 24th, 2010 at 11:23 pm

    is it Hot Stove season already?;)

  57. GreenBeret7 June 24th, 2010 at 11:23 pm

    Compiled stats because of longevity? Name me one HOFer that didn’t compile stats that weren’t because of longevity? Koufax may be the only legitimate one. Even he had 12 years when the average player has 5-6 years.

  58. Carl June 24th, 2010 at 11:24 pm

    “If it’s not possible to move AJ then I don’t want Lee.”

    Is that you Hal? Or is it Hank?

  59. Rich in NJ June 24th, 2010 at 11:25 pm

    “The thing that gets me is last year, I’m watching the World Series, and not one minute did I wish I was in the dugout to be honest with you,” he said.
    ______

    I wished the same thing.

  60. Carl June 24th, 2010 at 11:25 pm

    Rockies battle from 4 down to take a 1 run lead.

  61. Vic June 24th, 2010 at 11:27 pm

    “If Javy continues to pitch like he has since early May then he’ll probably be able to score a 2-3 year deal for 10+ mil per and he’ll probably decline an arbitration offer.”

    Bingo. He is probably going to be the 2nd best pitcher on this market after Lee. He has proven to be dominant in the NL, durable, eats innings.

    All depends on how he pitches from here on out. Why would he want to settle on a one year deal if he pitches well in the 2nd half? He is only 33… this is his last payday.

  62. Bronx Jeers June 24th, 2010 at 11:29 pm

    # GreenBeret7 June 24th, 2010 at 11:15 pm

    How long will it be before the media and real people start chirping about Pettitte being nothing but a stat compiler? You know, the same thing they’ve always held against John, Blyleven and Kaat when talking HOF candidacy?
    —————————————————————————————————————————-

    Apparently it will take about 3 minutes.

    Looks like he may end up “compiling” 20 wins this season too.

    If he’s nothing but a compiler this season…I’ll take 4 more like him and see you in The Canyon of Heroes.

  63. Betsy - Hughes rules (pleading the Fifth) June 24th, 2010 at 11:29 pm

    Vic, I guess we’ll have to see how he pitches…..you make good points. Still, it’s a risk for the Yankees, one they may not want to take.

  64. Joba Tips his Cap June 24th, 2010 at 11:29 pm

    Rockies 8-6 lead!

  65. Long time fan June 24th, 2010 at 11:31 pm

    The one true stat compiler was Pete Rose. Played 6 years too long, only to compile hits, averaging about .265. Very good player, but had a hot dog style and always would tell you how great he was. Still, to this day, he’s a jerk !

  66. ron June 24th, 2010 at 11:32 pm

    Betsy i love hughes as much as anyone & he is still evolving as a pitcher.
    Imo he is going to be great because he knows what needs to be done to be a great pitcher.

    I just hope he can pitch a great game soon to break the recent trend.I also think he has to get the cutter & cu working more.

    Hughes has more so than buchholz,both have about 15 less hit than innings pitched,hughes has a better whip because he walks less than buchholz & they both have about the same BAA so if you look at all the numbers hughes has him beat almost everywhere except era wich does not mean as much as the other stats.

    With hughes i think he has to avoid some of the big innings.

  67. Mike June 24th, 2010 at 11:33 pm

    Past arbitration cases -

    Giambi was 37 yrs old and wasn’t going to get more than 1-yr deal anyway
    Abreu was 35 when the 09 season started and probably couldn’t get more than 2 yr-deal
    Matsui was content with a 1 yr deal and would have accepted

    Damon was the only mistake because Boras would not have accepted. When has Boras ever accepted arb? Damon thought he could get a 4 yr deal. If nothing else, Boras would have convinced Damon that we would give him a multi-yr deal and he was worth it.

    Vazquez is younger than all these guys. He also happens to be the 2nd best at his position on the market. None of the guys after Lee have his track record of durability and consistency. You have to offer him arb if he finishes the season strong.

  68. Pat M. June 24th, 2010 at 11:35 pm

    I just Phil is tiring a little…..The omitted start and then the break should go a long way to recharging his batteries…….It’s really the most work he’s had since 2006…….Yanks have a tough weekend ahead of them……..

  69. 57' Yank June 24th, 2010 at 11:37 pm

    Why the babying of these pitchers nowadays ? 200 innings or more is not too much at all.

    RIDICULOUS!!!

  70. Betsy - Hughes rules (pleading the Fifth) June 24th, 2010 at 11:46 pm

    Ron, he was fantastic against the O’s at home…………He’s done a very good job of avoiding big innings for the most part with 2 exceptions (the Sox and Astros games) and, in fact, has shown himself to be a real pitcher by being able to work without his best stuff. I imagine that will come in handy – not just now, but down the line. His command has been off, but he still doesn’t walk people, which is fantastic. Buchholz has been great; he doesn’t K a lot, but that may be because he’s going for efficient innings via the 2 seamer. That said, even though Phil does strike out a lot, he is efficient; when he leaves games after 7, he often has a pitch count not much higher than 100.

    Pat, I really think so, too. I also have to remind myself that he’s 23 and in his first full year of starting. Expecting him to dominate is completely unfair and unrealistic. That said, he’s got great stuff; just recently David Wright said his FB was exploding – and he’s not the first opposing player to say that. He can dominate because of his stuff, but he’s learning how to pitch now (pitch selection, etc…) and that means he’ll have some growing pains.

  71. Jeremy June 24th, 2010 at 11:48 pm

    Is Beltre taking HGH because he is doing a great job with the Sox and he did nothing with the Mariners./sarcasm

    But he really did nothing with the Mariners.

  72. GreenBeret7 June 24th, 2010 at 11:49 pm

    Pettitte will have nearly identical numbers with less walks and a lower ERA than Jack Morris, who is getting considerable HOF talk. Pettitte will do it in 1 less year. The only difference in the numbers will be complete games and shutouts, which voters and others say don’t mean much where Kaat, John and Blyleven are concerned because it was a different era. No way should Morris go in before them, nor should Pettitte or Mussina. The real test will come with Moyer as he goes by 270-280 wins. Is he the ultimate stat compiler after 23 years?

  73. Joba Tips his Cap June 24th, 2010 at 11:50 pm

    Varitek? seriously?

  74. Look at the back of my baseball card June 24th, 2010 at 11:53 pm

    Jeremy,

    strange how every free agent hitter has career years once they go to the Sox except for Renteria and Lugo

  75. E-gawa June 24th, 2010 at 11:54 pm

    Pettitte will not get in because of his hgh use

  76. Jeremy June 24th, 2010 at 11:55 pm

    The Red Sox bullpen is not that good. I like how some people always talk about the Yankee pen being bad but I rather take Yankees bullpen than the Red Sox especially with Papelbon as the closer.

  77. Look at the back of my baseball card June 24th, 2010 at 11:57 pm

    Jeremy,

    I would take the Yankees starters and pen but I would take the Sox offense

  78. Joba Tips his Cap June 25th, 2010 at 12:00 am

    oh no, I still take Yanks offense.

  79. Mike June 25th, 2010 at 12:00 am

    “I would take the Yankees starters and pen but I would take the Sox offense”

    Same. Sox offense has been on a tear for 6 weeks straight… putting up crooked numbers most nights. It’s why they have made up so much ground despite shaky pitching and pen.

  80. Jaz June 25th, 2010 at 12:02 am

    Rockies pen sucks too… 9-8 Boston now

    Still, Boston’s pen has 3 more innings lol

  81. Jeremy June 25th, 2010 at 12:03 am

    Look at the back of my baseball card
    I agree. It seems like almost every Red Sox player that starts off with the team has a career year.

  82. igotid88 June 25th, 2010 at 12:05 am

    Betsy – Hughes rules (pleading the Fifth) June 24th, 2010 at 11:46 pm
    Ron, he was fantastic against the O’s at home…………He’s done a very good job of avoiding big innings for the most part with 2 exceptions (the Sox and Astros games) and, in fact, has shown himself to be a real pitcher by being able to work without his best stuff. I imagine that will come in handy – not just now, but down the line. His command has been off, but he still doesn’t walk people, which is fantastic. Buchholz has been great; he doesn’t K a lot, but that may be because he’s going for efficient innings via the 2 seamer. That said, even though Phil does strike out a lot, he is efficient; when he leaves games after 7, he often has a pitch count not much higher than 100.

    Pat, I really think so, too. I also have to remind myself that he’s 23 and in his first full year of starting. Expecting him to dominate is completely unfair and unrealistic. That said, he’s got great stuff; just recently David Wright said his FB was exploding – and he’s not the first opposing player to say that. He can dominate because of his stuff, but he’s learning how to pitch now (pitch selection, etc…) and that means he’ll have some growing pains.
    ==================================

    24 now

  83. Jeremy June 25th, 2010 at 12:09 am

    The only issue with the Sox is that their offense won’t help them win alone in the postseason. You need really good pitching to go deep in October. We saw where all that offense lead the Yankees from 2004-2007.

    And right now their closer is a joke, Beckett is overrated and always injured, Lackey is a bust and his stuff is on the decline, and Dice-k (really Dice-BB) can’t go past 5 innings, walks the park and gives up an average of 5 runs a game. The only guys they have is Lester and Clay B. and I still wouldn’t trust Clay B. against a really good team in a big spot in the postseason.

  84. McGeorge Bundy June 25th, 2010 at 12:11 am

    “‘The thing that gets me is last year, I’m watching the World Series, and not one minute did I wish I was in the dugout to be honest with you,’ he said. ‘It was great and I did it a lot of times, but that was enough.’”

    What the hell’s he managing for?

  85. Betsy - Hughes rules (pleading the Fifth) June 25th, 2010 at 12:15 am

    Igotid, duh, lol -24. Thanks!

  86. bomber 77 June 25th, 2010 at 12:19 am

    Another HR for Pedroia – Boston has put this game away

  87. Betsy - Hughes rules (pleading the Fifth) June 25th, 2010 at 12:21 am

    Doesn’t matter – they’ve lost 2/3 to the Rockies, so no complaining about that.

  88. Joba Tips his Cap June 25th, 2010 at 12:22 am

    “and not one minute did I wish I was in the dugout to be honest with you”

    so, does he manage to win? :)
    LOL

  89. KWAN June 25th, 2010 at 12:24 am

    “so, does he manage to win? :)”

    Not since 2003 LOL

  90. Clint June 25th, 2010 at 12:25 am

    We face our old friend Vincente Padilla tomorrow

    Watch him shut us down like Rodrigo Lopez did

  91. m June 25th, 2010 at 12:26 am

    People are reading that quote all kinds of wrong.

    He simply meant that he didn’t wish he was still with the Yankees (in the WS) than with LA.

    (Joba not talking to you, someone earlier thought that LA fans would like this quote)

  92. ron June 25th, 2010 at 12:27 am

    But Cervelli is something of a sheep in wolf’s clothing. His overall numbers are powered by a 6-for-12 start to the season and a hot streak that saw him hitting .400 through mid-May. Since May 18, when he went a costly 0-for-4 in a Yankee loss to the Red Sox, Cervelli is hitting just .211/.302/.267 with 16 strike outs in 108 plate appearances. He has just four extra-base hits in that span. The truth is that this May-June Cervelli is closer to reality than the April-May Cervelli who hit .400/.471/.517 over 71 plate appearances.

    So the Yankees can move forward with Cervelli for the time being. Austin Romine, while hitting a robust .294/.360/.447 at AA, won’t make the big jump to the Majors. He’s not a fringe prospect as Cervelli was, and the Yankees would rather see him develop than be moved up too quickly. Jesus Montero’s hitting hasn’t been up to par at AAA, and the 20-year-old may not see his future behind the plate anyway.

    As problems go, this isn’t a bad one to have, and I’d be surprised if the Yanks tried to land a catcher at the trade deadline. After all, their price tags are generally just too steep. There is now, however, some urgency behind the developments of Romine and Montero. Someone will soon have to step up to replace Jorge no matter how tough a task that would be.

    FROM RAB

  93. Joker June 25th, 2010 at 12:27 am

    They need to build a statue of Torre outside the new stadium

  94. Carl June 25th, 2010 at 12:29 am

    Can the Giambino do it again?

  95. m June 25th, 2010 at 12:29 am

    They need to build a statue of Torre outside the new stadium

    —————————————————

    With or without the product placement? What about Jeter’s bat? :P

  96. m June 25th, 2010 at 12:31 am

    Where’s Wicked Hahd Bahd?

  97. Jeremy June 25th, 2010 at 12:31 am

    Clint
    The Yankees might hit Padilla and if not then so what !

    It’s just another regular season series in June and the Yankees are in first place so who cares. The Yankees got shut down last year by the Nationals and it didn’t mean a thing during the postseason.

  98. Joba Tips his Cap June 25th, 2010 at 12:32 am

    all right, good night gangs!

    Go Yanks!

  99. Carl June 25th, 2010 at 12:34 am

    He does it with a base hit. Atta Boy Giambino.

  100. Jeremy June 25th, 2010 at 12:34 am

    I swear Terry Francona is going to ruin Bard’s arm. That guy pitches like every game for the Sox.

  101. Jeremy June 25th, 2010 at 12:35 am

    Good night Joba Tips his Cap.

  102. Tyler June 25th, 2010 at 12:36 am

    Doesn’t Tex hate Vicente Padilla? I remember Padilla plunked him twice last year and Tex bascially called him an idiot. I think they were on Texas together and Tex didn’t like him then either. Maybe Tex will take that emotion and have a big game

  103. Tyler June 25th, 2010 at 12:37 am

    Bard is out there alot. I know he was drafted as a starter (which he failed at miserably in the minors). His arm might be able to take it I don’t know. His velocity is still great. That pitch to Giambi was 98 on gameday.

  104. ron June 25th, 2010 at 12:38 am

    Yankees promote Andrew Brackman to Double-A
    By Mike Axisa

  105. Tyler June 25th, 2010 at 12:38 am

    Melvin Mora is absolute garbage. At least the Giambino brought them closer.

  106. Betsy - Hughes rules (pleading the Fifth) June 25th, 2010 at 12:39 am

    Tyler, I don’t think anyone likes Padilla. When AJ retaliated last year by hitting Nelson Cruz, Cruz didn’t say a word; he knew that that was going to happen because Padilla had instigated the whole thing.

  107. Tyler June 25th, 2010 at 12:40 am

    ron-

    That’s good to see. He’s on a major league deal I think so the quicker he’s able to elevate through the system the better. He has something like a 6 to 1 K-BB ratio is sick. He’s been much better in his last few starts. Looks like the guy from NC State who was supposed to be a top 3 pick before the surgery.

  108. Jeremy June 25th, 2010 at 12:40 am

    Well Tex and a number of Yankees don’t like Padilla. Should be interesting.

  109. Tyler June 25th, 2010 at 12:41 am

    Betsy-

    Padilla doesn’t seem to know how to handle his emotions on the mound. You just can’t go hitting people when you’re frustrated or you’re going to get your teammates killed. And trust me if you are teammates with a guy like that you approach them after the game and tell them to cut it out. If Beckett keeps it up he will find this out firsthand when Pedroia takes on in the kneecap.

  110. Jeremy June 25th, 2010 at 12:44 am

    I wonder if Papelbon is going to blow it again. He just cracks me up with that stare down like someone is afraid of him. Doesn’t he know that no one fears him because they know he only throws a fastball and the fact that he is one of the most overrated closers in the game right now.

  111. Michelle June 25th, 2010 at 12:44 am

    Torre is really using his bullpen tonight. Hopefully that helps out the Yanks for this series. I am sure the nut job Padilla will hit Tex tomorrow night. We know the bad blood between those 2.

  112. Tyler June 25th, 2010 at 12:46 am

    This could be a tough series for the Yanks. There is so much media coverage surrounding Torre and Mattingly. The crowds are going to be frenzied. This has the feel of series that is going to be full of distractions and could be tough even though the Yanks are the much better team imo. I’d be thrilled to take 2/3 but I could easily see the Dodgers taking 2/3. I just really want to beat Torre. I will hate hearing about how great Torre is if the Dodgers take this series. There is not doubt Torre is one of the classiest and best guys in the game but people forget that the day he was hired he was called “clueless joe”. He was a losing manager. The Yankees made him what he is. He was a great manager until he tried to be an ambassador for the game in my opinion. He was outmanaged outrageously by Francona in ’04. I was sad to see him go though I thought it was time for a change but his book changed my opinion on him. To sell out the team that made you was pathetic in my opinion. He owes the Yankees and Steinbrenner everything. Not the other way around. Just my opinion.

  113. Betsy - Hughes rules (pleading the Fifth) June 25th, 2010 at 12:46 am

    Tyler, true about Padilla……….Pedroia found out about it already in the first Boston game at Fenway, lol

  114. ron June 25th, 2010 at 12:48 am

    Biding his time until his next actual call up, Albie has been simply untouchable as Scranton’s closer this season. He’s struck out 45 batters in 34.1 IP, and just about 44% of the balls put in play off of him have been on the ground. Only 19 hits have fallen in behind him, and that includes the three he gave up in 1.1 innings of work two days ago. Just five of those 19 hits have come off the bats of righthanders, who are hitting (ready for this?) .085/.175/.101 in 63 plate appearances against the husky righthander. That’s a .276 OPS. Two seventy six. Lefties haven’t fared much better at .222/.292/.374 in 65 plate appearances. There’s no other way to put it, Albaladejo has been stunningly good this year.

    [Albaladejo] has completely reinvented himself, relying less on the two-seam fastball that he used to pound the zone with during his up-and-down tenure with the Yankees. Now, he’s almost exclusively throwing a four-seamer that touches the mid-90s, changing the eye level with his slider and keeping hitters on their heels with a knee-buckling curveball. He is still mixing in two-seamers, but it’s no longer his bread-and-butter.

  115. Tyler June 25th, 2010 at 12:48 am

    Jeremy-

    It cracks me up that last year Josh Reddick was thought to be in the same category of prospect as Austin Jackson at one time. Reddick is what a .180 hitter in the majors thus far. Alot of the Sox are extremely overrated especially from their system. still waiting for ellsbury to be the next ted williams. he’s a fine player but jeez after ’07 he was supposed to be the second coming.

  116. Tyler June 25th, 2010 at 12:49 am

    Betsy-

    that is true haha. i forgot cc hit pedroia. even though if i recall correctly that through cc out of his rhythmn….

  117. Jeremy June 25th, 2010 at 12:50 am

    Beckett is a big baby. The Red Sox are going to regret giving him that extension. The guy is always injured and he is only known for pitching in big games. But the past couple of postseason performances have not been good.

  118. Remo June 25th, 2010 at 12:52 am

    Tyler,

    I agree. Dodgers are a very talented team – lots of good hitters in Kemp, Ethier, Manny, Looney, etc.

    We face their 2 best pitcher in Kershaw and Kuroda (and we all know how we do against pitchers we’ve never seen) and sending AJ to the mound in one of those games.

    Tomorrow is the gimme game of the series – our ace vs. Padilla. But watch, we’ll get blown out tomorrow and win the next 2 lol

  119. Jeremy June 25th, 2010 at 12:54 am

    Tyler
    That is so true. Reddick has done nothing and alot of the Red Sox prospects have been overhyped thanks to ESPN, Peter Gammons, and Fox.

    I bet you won’t here a thing about Betances and Brackman coming back and pitching strong. The Yankees have a ton of pitching prospects but the only Sox pitching prospect I hear about right now is Casey Kelly. I thought the Sox had a ton of pitching prospects.

  120. UnKnown June 25th, 2010 at 12:56 am

    The next time the Yankees are out in Colorado I want to go to that series. I think it would be a lot of fun.

  121. Michelle June 25th, 2010 at 12:57 am

    The Rockies are abusing Papelbums fastball. Too bad they are 2 runs down and not 1.

  122. Jeremy June 25th, 2010 at 12:57 am

    Papelbon getting close to blowing it again. LOL !

  123. Michelle June 25th, 2010 at 12:58 am

    Let’s go Hawpe!!

  124. Carl June 25th, 2010 at 12:59 am

    blown save!!!

  125. Michelle June 25th, 2010 at 1:00 am

    Rockies tied the game..lol Now they have to win it…

  126. m June 25th, 2010 at 1:00 am

    lol. keep it going!

  127. Jeremy June 25th, 2010 at 1:00 am

    LOL ! Papelbon. He is no Mo !

  128. igotid88 June 25th, 2010 at 1:00 am

    tie game

  129. Michelle June 25th, 2010 at 1:00 am

    Paps is trying to throw harder and because of that his location is really bad.

  130. Carl June 25th, 2010 at 1:02 am

    Just missed a walk off bomb

  131. JoeMama June 25th, 2010 at 1:02 am

    Can’t hit it any farther for an out than that

  132. Michelle June 25th, 2010 at 1:02 am

    Damn I thought that was gone. He hit the ball 420 feet and McDonald caught the ball at the wall.

  133. GreenBeret7 June 25th, 2010 at 1:02 am

    Who cares about what the media says about the Boston vs Yankee prospects and who’s better? some of you people are as paranoid about that team as you insist they are about the Yankees. Hype doesn’t make them play better.

  134. vblade June 25th, 2010 at 1:02 am

    Seth Smith nearly took Papelblown out.

  135. UnKnown June 25th, 2010 at 1:03 am

    No River Dancing tonight either. Haha. I can’t stand that loser.

  136. Michelle June 25th, 2010 at 1:03 am

    LOL the Rockies announcer just said Papelbum won’t be doing any river dancing in Coors field tonight.

  137. Jeremy June 25th, 2010 at 1:05 am

    GreenBeret7
    You make a great point. Who cares about the Boston hype. The Yankees have a good farm and it shows.

  138. Jeremy June 25th, 2010 at 1:07 am

    Dang ! The Rockies were so close to walking off but was just short. The good thing is that the Sox have no one left in the pen so if the Rockies can hold them here then the Sox are done.

  139. Joba says they had good ABs June 25th, 2010 at 1:07 am

    lol @ Papelbon

  140. vinny-b (Brett Gardner will never see the bench again) June 25th, 2010 at 1:08 am

    “Jeter’s in his mid 30s now. Isnt it time he had some at bat music with a little more class ??
    I cant stand rap music. Im a little surprised with Jeter’s squeaky clean image that he chooses rap”
    ————————————————————————————

    this is funny

    would heavy metal (aka devil music) way be more acceptable to you?

  141. Carl June 25th, 2010 at 1:08 am

    # GreenBeret7 June 25th, 2010 at 1:02 am

    “Who cares about what the media says about the Boston vs Yankee prospects and who’s better? some of you people are as paranoid about that team as you insist they are about the Yankees. Hype doesn’t make them play better.”

    This needs to be quoted again

  142. Michelle June 25th, 2010 at 1:10 am

    Richardson warming up for Boston. I don’t know that is, but I guess 1 of their cy young prospects.

  143. Carl June 25th, 2010 at 1:10 am

    Yogi Berra likes rap music. He actually suggested Too Short to Jeter.

  144. ZMAN June 25th, 2010 at 1:11 am

    It’s amazing how Papelbon only has 3 blown saves and 4 losses in 30 games. It seems like everytime he pitches, he blows a game.

  145. UnKnown June 25th, 2010 at 1:12 am

    Lights went out in Anaheim I think. Keep that baby going all night as well. Lets just sit back and enjoy.

  146. Clint June 25th, 2010 at 1:13 am

    “Yogi Berra likes rap music. He actually suggested Too Short to Jeter.”

    Yep. I saw him at the Jay-Z/Drake/Kayne West concert in Madison Square Garden last night. He was waving his lighter with the rest of the crowd in the standing-room section.

  147. Jeremy June 25th, 2010 at 1:15 am

    Well Bill Hall is the only other guy they can go to if they don’t turn to Richardson.

  148. Carl June 25th, 2010 at 1:15 am

    # Clint June 25th, 2010 at 1:13 am

    “Yogi Berra likes rap music. He actually suggested Too Short to Jeter.”

    Yep. I saw him at the Jay-Z/Drake/Kayne West concert in Madison Square Garden last night. He was waving his lighter with the rest of the crowd in the standing-room section.

    lmao

  149. Tyler June 25th, 2010 at 1:18 am

    I don’t think being interested in Sox prospects makes me paranoid. The Sox are a big competitor to the Yanks and I like to follow prospects anyway. I had always heard alot about Reddick and his 5 tool abilities. I was interested in him when he came up and he has been putrid to say the least. That doesn’t make me paranoid. I just find it funny that he hasn’t been able to translate his hype to big league success. That doesn’t make me paranoid about the Sox. I like watching baseball. If it’s the Sox so be it.

  150. Michelle June 25th, 2010 at 1:20 am

    Damn the smurf just hit a 2 run homer.

  151. Carl June 25th, 2010 at 1:21 am

    Pedroia is unconscious right now.

  152. Jeremy June 25th, 2010 at 1:21 am

    The midget homered again. Does anyone on the Rockies know how to get him out.

  153. m June 25th, 2010 at 1:21 am

    Pedroia :mad:

    5 for 5, 3 HR?

  154. Tyler June 25th, 2010 at 1:23 am

    Pedroia 5-5 wow.

  155. Jeremy June 25th, 2010 at 1:23 am

    Street should have walked Pedroia. Oh well they can still com back the only problem is Papelbon will not pitch again.

  156. CENTRAL CT YANKEE June 25th, 2010 at 1:24 am

    would be nice to see him blow two saves in one night

  157. Carl June 25th, 2010 at 1:25 am

    Papelbon back out to pitch again lol

  158. Tyler June 25th, 2010 at 1:26 am

    Papelbon part 2. He’s already at 25 pitches.

  159. Jeremy June 25th, 2010 at 1:26 am

    Wow They are sticking with Paps ! LOL !

  160. Tyler June 25th, 2010 at 1:27 am

    He’s having an easy time so far.

  161. Jeremy June 25th, 2010 at 1:28 am

    Even if the Sox win this game this will be an issue that will haunt them and will prevent them from winning the World Series this year. Their pen just flat out stinks and their closer is a bum.

  162. m June 25th, 2010 at 1:32 am

    Worthless. A Boston loss would’ve been nice. The consolation prize is not bad, though. The bullpen is torched because Daisuke couldn’t go more than 5 innings.

    What’s with Francoma nowadays?

  163. Carl June 25th, 2010 at 1:33 am

    Houston Street is a scrub though

  164. Jeremy June 25th, 2010 at 1:35 am

    Doesn’t matter if they won. Boston has been exposed. Everyone knows that have no pitching outside of Lester and Clay B. Their rotation is average and their pen is a joke.

    They can’t hit their way out of these issues come postseason time.

  165. Clint June 25th, 2010 at 1:35 am

    lame

  166. Mark June 25th, 2010 at 1:36 am

    I wouldn’t mind picking up Houston Street to be the 8th inning guy… he used to be a very solid closer

  167. Jeremy June 25th, 2010 at 1:37 am

    Not saying Boston is bad but I would not bet on them going to the World Series especially with that pen and a closer like Papelbon.

    The Yankees in my book are still better than them.

  168. ZMAN June 25th, 2010 at 1:37 am

    “I wouldn’t mind picking up Houston Street to be the 8th inning guy… he used to be a very solid closer”

    I take it you didn’t watch the game tonight? Or at least read the thread to see what he did about 10 minutes ago?

  169. m June 25th, 2010 at 1:40 am

    Looks like this was Street’s second outing back from some kind of surgery/rehab situation?

    Anyway, don’t trust him. Nobody’s teeth are that white.

  170. Carl June 25th, 2010 at 1:41 am

    Houston street is terrible. Hes always gets beat in pressure situation. He couldn’t handle NY.

  171. Jay June 25th, 2010 at 1:42 am

    Hahd throwing Bahd is the new Proctor

    Franky really wanted to win tonight before going to San Fran

    And why are the Giants starting that scrub Joe Martinez tomorrow? At least they face Lincecum on Sunday.

  172. Jay June 25th, 2010 at 1:43 am

    i meant on Saturday

    Tomorrow Sanchez goes

  173. Yankee DC June 25th, 2010 at 1:46 am

    JP Riccardi has the most insufferable voice ever. He has that thick Massachusetts accent.

    He is almost as bad as Stephen A. Smith was.

  174. GreenBeret7 June 25th, 2010 at 1:49 am

    Street has been on the DL since the 3rd day of the season. This is his game back, and it came on back to back nights. He shouldn’t have been in back to back games this soon.

  175. GreenBeret7 June 25th, 2010 at 1:55 am

    At least the Doggers will win tonight with an 8th inning 10-4 lead. It stops their 6 game losing streak. Never like seeing the Yanks playing on a team on a winning or losing streak. They get too desperate and desperate teams are dangerous.

  176. vblade June 25th, 2010 at 1:56 am

    The NL hasn’t learned to stop throwing the midget any pitches on the inside part of the plate. That’s the one thing he’ll turn around quickly.

  177. GreenBeret7 June 25th, 2010 at 2:02 am

    Pedroia had to learn to hit high and inside pitches because hit bat drags on the ground when he swings at low pitches.

  178. GreenBeret7 June 25th, 2010 at 2:34 am

    because ***his*** bat drags

  179. m June 25th, 2010 at 3:35 am

    What the — ! Texas has won 11 straight and are only 1 game back of the Yankees for best record in the league!

    Gotta watch out for claims of best record. Wouldn’t want to look arrogant or anything. ;)

  180. NYYanksFan June 25th, 2010 at 3:41 am

    “Torre added. “I batted him eighth, so everyone thought he should have hated me….My conscience is certainly clear. At that time, Alex was struggling.”

    That would be more believable if he batted someone 4th who was hitting more than .125 at the time; same as A-Rod.

    Saying A-Rod is angry because other people told him he should be shows no understanding of players egos and someone with a clear conscience gives a player a heads up rather than have them read it on the line-up card.

  181. Melkman is in Hotlanta June 25th, 2010 at 6:40 am

    Anybody miss NJ? Didn’t think so!

  182. blake June 25th, 2010 at 7:30 am

    re: trading AJ.

    I don’t think his contract is movable but in addition to that if they traded him and Andy retires then that leaves 3 rotation spots to fill in the offseason. Lee could fill one of those but still that leaves two holes instead of one.

    People are on AJ right now because he’s struggling but you just aren’t going to have dominance from each spot in a rotation all the time. Are the Red sox thrilled with Lackey and his nearly 5 ERA with virtually the same contract as AJ?…they are on the hook for more of his deal than the Yanks are with AJ. The Yankees aren’t the only team that has players that struggle and its best to have some perspective when looking at these things. AJ will get it together, in reality he’s a back of the rotation guy for the Yankees that can throw like a #1 on any given night…that’s not so bad.

  183. upstate kate June 25th, 2010 at 7:49 am

    AJ has always been inconsistent…he will get on a good roll and people will forget his struggles.

    wonder who will get hit by Padilla…or perhaps he is a bit more careful in a NL park, w/ CC on the mound.

  184. Pinstripe4Life June 25th, 2010 at 7:56 am

    Torre didn’t envy Girardi for being in the Series? Right. He’s only human. Torre was never allowed the margin for error that Girardi was in 2008. Maybe if he missed the playoffs one or two years, Torre would have regrouped to win another Championship with the Yankees. 2009 has to bite at him a little bit.

  185. Pinstripe4Life June 25th, 2010 at 7:58 am

    Upstate,

    AJ is what he is. But I wish we didn’t have him for another three years after this one. Something tells me he will not age like fine wine.

  186. BetterLivingThruChemistry June 25th, 2010 at 8:07 am

    Hmph, Ortiz gets a sudden jump in power, both last year and this year, now its multiple players who are hitting for big power in Boston when they haven’t before.

    Must be those “vitamins” that Ortiz is sharing around the clubhouse.

  187. Betsy - Hughes rules (pleading the Fifth) June 25th, 2010 at 8:11 am

    Did Torre say that recently? LOL I’m so glad his conscience is clear; it was an asinine move then that has only grown more asinine with time. Why am I not surprised? As I said last night, I want this series over and done with just so we can move on from all this.

  188. Betsy - Hughes rules (pleading the Fifth) June 25th, 2010 at 8:12 am

    AJ will be fine – and Yankee fans need to understand that while they may hate AJ, the Yankees love him and have no intention of trading him.

  189. Dice-k wants out June 25th, 2010 at 8:15 am

    Dice-k wants out of boston, I’ll bet if they traded him, you’ll see the old Dice-k. The press was brutal on him last year, when he first went down. He isn’t happy with the fans either, they said mean spirited things about him too!

  190. BFKAD June 25th, 2010 at 8:20 am

    Betsy,

    What part of the Torre move was asinine?

  191. rj June 25th, 2010 at 8:21 am

    NYYROC June 24th, 2010 at 4:50 pm
    Been reading Bill Madden’s book about George. GS was incredibly mercurial. He wanted (and often did) fire/ trade people at the drop of a hat

    =========================================================

    This sounds like about a good 2/3 of the posters here.

  192. upstate kate June 25th, 2010 at 8:22 am

    anyone hating on AJ must have a short memory…his performance in game 2 of the WS turned the series around

  193. Betsy - Hughes rules (pleading the Fifth) June 25th, 2010 at 8:22 am

    Um, everything BKFAD.

  194. BFKAD June 25th, 2010 at 8:25 am

    Betsy,

    I hope you mean the way the Yankees management handled it.

  195. Joe from Long Island June 25th, 2010 at 8:25 am

    Good morning –

    DiceK may want out, but I don’t think there’ll be a long line to take him. His pitching hasn’t won him many admirers, I think. Boston would have to have an appetite to eat some of that contract. Plus, they’d need another starter, and that might be a problem.

  196. blake June 25th, 2010 at 8:30 am

    Who was the old Dice k? He can’t throw strikes…he has 10 pitches and can’t locate any of them..the deception factor is gone and he is now what he is…a very mediocre big league pitcher.

  197. rj June 25th, 2010 at 8:33 am

    ron June 24th, 2010 at 11:00 pm
    We have a good pitching staff,great at times but vaz & burnett scare me & i am sure cashman & girrardi would love to have lee to pitch after cc.

    The strange thing about burnett is he pitched well enough to be an important piece last year.I just wish he could master a change up,he would be scarry.

    Hughes imo will be a great pitcher but he has an era around 4.80 era over his last 7 games

    ==========================================================

    Hughes = 4.17 over last 7. That’s a bit of a difference. If you’re going to post stats, get it right. It took me less than 2 minutes to check his game log & figure it out.

  198. rj June 25th, 2010 at 8:43 am

    GreenBeret7 June 24th, 2010 at 11:15 pm
    How long will it be before the media and real people start chirping about Pettitte being nothing but a stat compiler? You know, the same thing they’ve always held against John, Blyleven and Kaat when talking HOF candidacy

    ========================================================

    Interesting stat tidbit I heard recently on a YES broadcast – Andy has 100 more wins than losses for his career, and every pitcher 100 games over for his career is in the HOF.

  199. 86w183 June 25th, 2010 at 8:45 am

    I can’t see the Yanks in the Cliff Lee mix unless it is to replace Pettite or Vazquez. Hughes, AJ and CC are not going anywhere for 2011.

    Matsuzaka has $ 10 M a year coming for each of the next two seasons. He’s 9-8 with an ERA over 5.00 over this year and last, so I think moving those $$$ is going to be very difficult.

    I’ve been tired of the Torre drama for quite some time now. It is remarkably disingenuous to claim to have “no idea” why Alex would be angry with him over the book. I appreciate what he did for the Yanks while he was here, but his last six post-seasons were not exactly great.

    Still he somehow managed to stir up sympathy for the “insult” of only being offered a one year deal at $ 5 M plus incentives despite a string of post-season disappointments. Enough already.

  200. Joe June 25th, 2010 at 9:46 am

    This would be the last time Yanks face Torre (unless World Series) as it would not seem as if the Yankees would play them in next year’s interleague play or interleague play for a few years after this season, and he may be gone.

  201. Ed Wood June 25th, 2010 at 5:05 pm

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