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Jay-Z and Eminem announce second Stadium concert

Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Misc on Jun 25, 2010 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

Kind of late notice on this, but here’s the press release about a second Jay-Z and Eminem concert at Yankee Stadium. Tickets go on sale this morning at 10 EST.

The concert doubleheader of JAY-Z and Eminem have added a second date -– Tuesday, September 14 –- to their Yankee Stadium appearance.

Tickets for the added show will go on sale Friday, June 25 at 10:00 a.m., online at www.livenation.com, via Ticketmaster phone at (800) 745-3000 and via Ticketmaster TTY at (800) 943-4327.

On May 12, it was announced that Yankee Stadium would hold its first official concert on September 13, featuring the award-winning duo of JAY-Z and Eminem.

The Yankee Stadium concerts will be the second of a home-and-home series of shows for New York City-native JAY-Z and Eminem, who was raised in the Detroit metropolitan area, as the pair will also perform at Detroit’s Comerica Park on September 2, with a second show also added today for September 3.

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143 Responses to “Jay-Z and Eminem announce second Stadium concert”

  1. Betsy - Hughes rules (pleading the Fifth) June 25th, 2010 at 8:22 am

    Sorry, but who cares?

  2. Betsy - Hughes rules (pleading the Fifth) June 25th, 2010 at 8:25 am

    I’m glad they didn’t announce this during a game; it was a joke when they were in the booth during the Detroit game and Kay and co. fawned all over them.

  3. bruce June 25th, 2010 at 8:25 am

    yawn!

  4. BFKAD June 25th, 2010 at 8:27 am

    Betsy,

    I hope you mean the way the Yankees management handled it was asinine.

  5. Sixto Lezcano June 25th, 2010 at 8:27 am

    so great to hear about the concert. perhaps they can destroy the field–as the fight did—just in time for the post season

  6. Betsy - Hughes rules (pleading the Fifth) June 25th, 2010 at 8:30 am

    BKFAD, I don’t know what you’re talking about. Torre was the one who made the asinine move to bat Alex 8th……

  7. BFKAD June 25th, 2010 at 8:33 am

    Maybe the concert goes great. The stands will sell out, people with have a great safe time and the field will be fine.

  8. Patrick June 25th, 2010 at 8:35 am

    Betsy,

    Yankee blog = yankee news. Anything that goes on in Yankee stadium is Yankee news. I’m sure there are plenty of Jay-z / Eminem fans around here.

  9. BFKAD June 25th, 2010 at 8:38 am

    Oh right that didn’t make sense. Geez Yankees need to win but let’s keep throwing the least effective run producer in the playoffs out there batting 4th……. great idea.

    When something isn’t working out just keep trying it until you lose. Makes sense. He deserved to bat 8th with the worst string of numbers on the team. It was win or go home.

  10. blake June 25th, 2010 at 8:39 am

    They can just rap on the dirt right?

  11. BFKAD June 25th, 2010 at 8:40 am

    Honestly Patrick, let’s not be sensible it throws the whole blog out of whack.

  12. Betsy - Hughes rules (pleading the Fifth) June 25th, 2010 at 8:41 am

    Patrick, I didn’t mean Chad shouldn’t post it, though I guess it came out like that…………

  13. MTU (aka GBURL) June 25th, 2010 at 8:44 am

    Blake-

    Yo. Yo.

    Morning Bro.

    What it is.

    Waaaaasup dawg ?

    How’d I do ?

    :)

  14. Rich in NJ June 25th, 2010 at 8:44 am

    My only concern is the condition of the stadium grass. It looked a little messed up last week.

  15. blake June 25th, 2010 at 8:45 am

    It was a dumb move and Torre has admitted as much since then….that and leaving Joba out there with the midges.

    That said, I like Torre. He did a great deal for the Yankee organization and was instrumental in helping to bring the winning back. He just reached his expiration date as many managers do over time. He was unhappy those last couple years and it showed. It was time for a change and it probably happened a couple years too late but that doesn’t change what he did before that IMO.

  16. Presidente June 25th, 2010 at 8:47 am

    Having a ‘safe time’ at a rap concert is about as probable as the Orioles winning the World Series this year.

    Shootings in the parking lot, riots on the field…we can only hope the animals don’t destroy too much before it’s all over.

  17. blake June 25th, 2010 at 8:47 am

    MTU,
    morning, yea that was pretty good I guess. :). did you have a good trip?

  18. Patrick June 25th, 2010 at 8:47 am

    Torre isn’t the best manager but he’s a Yankee for life, in my opinion. I know his teams had loads of talent but he managed them to 4 championships. That can’t be overlooked.

  19. Shame Spencer June 25th, 2010 at 8:49 am

    I kinda can’t wait to go to this show. For me, I love being there for historical stuff and the first concert at the new Stadium to some might seem like a throw away but I still wanna see it. I doubt that they won’t be able to get the field straightened out again before October lol.

  20. blake June 25th, 2010 at 8:50 am

    Patrick,
    He also made playoffs every year with some really flawed teams in the mid-late 2000s..expensive but flawed.

  21. MTU (aka GBURL) June 25th, 2010 at 8:50 am

    Blake-

    Yes. Went up to the cool mountains to escape the heat.

    Took the wife and the pooches. We all had a good time.

    Thanks for asking.

    Suxers almost blew another one last night.

    Can’t slug your way to a Championship.

    The elf had a great game.

  22. vinny-b (Brett Gardner will never see the bench again) June 25th, 2010 at 8:53 am

    following the infomercial for this event, conducted by YES during the middle of the Yankees/Tigers game, my official response is:

    *crickets chirping*

    note to YES suits: it’s called Boycotting. You see how it works?

  23. NYYanksFan June 25th, 2010 at 8:54 am

    “Geez Yankees need to win but let’s keep throwing the least effective run producer in the playoffs out there batting 4th……. great idea.”

    So, dropping him to 8th and putting as ineffective a run producer in his place was a great idea?

  24. BFKAD June 25th, 2010 at 8:55 am

    Presedente,

    Evidence of this always occurring?

    You are a real stereotypical jagoff huh?

  25. blake June 25th, 2010 at 8:56 am

    MTU,
    Yea they avoided the sweep but not a very convincing win…their pen is gonna be toast by September at this rate. Bard pitches every day and Papelbon is a shell of himself. Pedroia saved them last night…this hot streak by their offense has kept them afloat but I’m not sure that can last all season. We shall see…they face some good pitching this weekend.

  26. Billy D June 25th, 2010 at 8:56 am

    “BKFAD, I don’t know what you’re talking about. Torre was the one who made the asinine move to bat Alex 8th……”

    Rodriguez was having a brutal series, Betsy. Never thought Torre did that as a punishment. Thought he was simply trying to relieve some pressure off a guy who was pressing in a big way.

  27. NYYanksFan June 25th, 2010 at 8:57 am

    “It was a dumb move and Torre has admitted as much since then….”

    He didn’t yesterday. He defended the move.

  28. BFKAD June 25th, 2010 at 8:58 am

    Torre probably said it was a bad move on his part to clear the air and move on.

    Torre is a class act. After reading his book I’ll have to admit I lost respect for the upper management business tactics.

  29. MTU (aka GBURL) June 25th, 2010 at 9:02 am

    Blake-

    Credit where credit is due.

    The Suxers have handled their adversity well.

    Lots of injuries.

    Their outfield looks like an advertisement for MiLB baseball.

    I just don’t think their pitching is strong enough.

    And you’re right about their BP. Toast by the end of the season.

  30. upstate kate June 25th, 2010 at 9:02 am

    I will be glad when this weekend is over and we don’t have to hear about Torre anymore. I would rather remember the good years he had and move on. Girardi is providing his own legacy.

  31. Giuseppe Franco June 25th, 2010 at 9:02 am

    # Betsy – Hughes rules (pleading the Fifth) June 25th, 2010 at 8:22 am

    Sorry, but who cares?

    ————–

    I’m with you on that, sister. Not exactly a rap fanatic myself.

    But it’s a show that’s going to take place at the Stadium so they are going to promote it. Heavily.

  32. upstate kate June 25th, 2010 at 9:05 am

    I was listening to xm on my way into work today and they were discussing various teams’ injuries and how said teams had recovered. They briefly touched on the Yankees, saying only that the Yankees always had a lot of depth. I take that as a back hand compliment to the farm system, b/c that is where most of the depth has come from…Cervelli, Pena, Miranda, Russo, Curtis

  33. blake June 25th, 2010 at 9:08 am

    MTU,
    The Sox do deserve credit for fighting back into this race…they could have easily rolled over. I just think the Sox offense at the moment is performing close to their peak level, much like the Rays pitching was earlier in the season. Its not sustainable over the entire season. The Yankees, to me at least, seem to be just plugging along at their average level and still are ahead by 2 games. If they ever click and fire on all cylinders I think they will leave both the Sox and Rays well behind…let’s hope.

  34. vinny-b (Brett Gardner will never see the bench again) June 25th, 2010 at 9:08 am

    “I was listening to xm on my way into work today and they were discussing various teams’ injuries and how said teams had recovered. They briefly touched on the Yankees, saying only that the Yankees always had a lot of depth. I take that as a back hand compliment”
    ——————————————————————-

    kate: yes. It is. Typical national coverage. The Yankees can never win (even when they do)

  35. RayVT June 25th, 2010 at 9:14 am

    I hated to see Joe Torre go. He was the right man for just exactly the right time. He won so much early with the Yanks that even more was expected. (That is a good thing really!)

    None of us know what Joe T went through. He was told to get rid of Mel his Pitching Coach & he fought hard to keep him but ultimately Mel left. Zimmer his bench Coach & right hand got fed up with Steinbrenner & the pressure being applied to Joe T & the rest of the Coaches.

    The pitching decisions in the WS era were Mel’s & the in game decisions were often Zims! With both gone, Joe T had a lot more on him. We could only imagine the pressure he was under.

    I don’t like the thoughts that Joe T wasn’t a good Manager when he got to the NYY! He wasn’t bad at Atlanta early in his career. But those early years taught him how to be successful! Joe T hired some great Coaches that most Managers would be leary to hire or threatened so to speak. Bowa, Pena, Randolph, Mattingly etc.

    Lastly, what if the Yanks had brought in J Santana, or CC, or a real Ace for the Yanks during those years after 2000? Pitching killed the Yanks then! IMO, Joe T got the most out of those teams still.

  36. Giuseppe Franco June 25th, 2010 at 9:14 am

    Yeah, Monday can’t come fast enough for me either.

    I don’t dislike Torre but he definitely needed to go when he did. It was time for him and the franchise to move on.

  37. Jim PA June 25th, 2010 at 9:14 am

    I listen to XM a lot, and there are quite a few Yankee bashers on the various shows. I missed it this morning, but Dibble is usually pretty fair.

  38. Billy D June 25th, 2010 at 9:17 am

    “They briefly touched on the Yankees, saying only that the Yankees always had a lot of depth. I take that as a back hand compliment to the farm system, b/c that is where most of the depth has come from…Cervelli, Pena, Miranda, Russo, Curtis”

    Why’s that backhanded? Having depth is a good thing. So is getting some contribution from the guys you call up from the farm.

  39. MTU (aka GBURL) June 25th, 2010 at 9:17 am

    GF-

    Me too.

    I’m interested in baseball not all the sideshows.

    Let’s just get it done and get it gone.

  40. Giuseppe Franco June 25th, 2010 at 9:18 am

    When something isn’t working out just keep trying it until you lose. Makes sense. He deserved to bat 8th with the worst string of numbers on the team. It was win or go home.

    ———–

    No, it doesn’t make sense. It was a stupid thing to do. And Torre made it personal because he and A-Rod didn’t get along.

    If Jeter or Posada had the same numbers A-Rod did, you wouldn’t have seen Torre stick them in the 8th slot in the order.

  41. Shame Spencer June 25th, 2010 at 9:21 am

    Holy cow, the Torre/Arod stuff is still going on??

  42. Billy D June 25th, 2010 at 9:22 am

    “If Jeter or Posada had the same numbers A-Rod did, you wouldn’t have seen Torre stick them in the 8th slot in the order.”

    Posada hit 8th twice in that same series.

  43. upstate kate June 25th, 2010 at 9:23 am

    I watched a bit of the mlb network last night while they had Eric Byrnes on, what a hoot he was. They were featuring the Os/marlins game and he was dissing them big time, saying who would want to watch that game. He was talking about his playing days when he and another player would look at the scoreboard and decide which game was the worst match up, and last night in his opinion it was Os/Marlins. All very true, but not the PC thing to say.

  44. BFKAD June 25th, 2010 at 9:24 am

    All anyone can say is it was a bad move to bat A-Rod 8th.

    Someone justify their reason. He was the worst playoff hitter on the team who simply looked lost in the bright lights. His body language alone said I can’t do this.

  45. MTU (aka GBURL) June 25th, 2010 at 9:25 am

    Kate-

    Well the O’s might suck but the Marlins sure don’t.

  46. Shame Spencer June 25th, 2010 at 9:27 am

    You guys are kinda oversimplifying it when talking about Torre batting Arod 8th. It wasn’t that act alone that was really the issue. There was a lot of division in the clubhouse, and they couldn’t pull it together to win. None of them, from the front office to the manager to the players.

  47. SJ44 June 25th, 2010 at 9:27 am

    Ask the players how they felt when the saw the lineup card that day. They couldn’t believe he had Arod hitting 8th.

    It was a dumb, spiteful move and it backfired.

    He’s been trying to re-write history on it ever since.

    For a guy who had such a handle on people, its pretty dumb to embarrass the best player on the team prior to the biggest game of the year.

    For fans who love “punishing” players for not performing, they love that kind of stuff.

    For people and players who understand the game, they know how dumb it was.

    In the end, everybody is where they should be. The Yankees are the defending champs, Arod is a WS hero, and Torre is in LA spinning stories and selling books. He has a more dysfunctional ownership to deal with now than he ever had in NY.

    Some would say that’s karma at its best.

  48. BFKAD June 25th, 2010 at 9:27 am

    Politically correct thing to say……..

    There is a statement that has lost all meaning.

  49. Giuseppe Franco June 25th, 2010 at 9:29 am

    # BFKAD June 25th, 2010 at 9:24 am

    All anyone can say is it was a bad move to bat A-Rod 8th.

    Someone justify their reason. He was the worst playoff hitter on the team who simply looked lost in the bright lights. His body language alone said I can’t do this.

    ———–

    Why? Because despite his struggles, he was the best player on the team. Period.

    And Torre let his personal feelings about A-Rod get in the way. You’d never see Girardi do that.

    I don’t want to get into this long dragged out Torre debate because, frankly, I’m sick of the media hounds trumping this story up all weekend.

  50. blake June 25th, 2010 at 9:30 am

    You don’t do it because 1) it sends a feeling of panic through your team. The last thing you want your players to think is that something is wrong, especially with the cleanup hitter. Just doesn’t show he had faith in what got them there and of the manager doesn’t then why should the players. 2) because you run the risk of losing that star player forever…which clearly happened..3) history..how did it work out?

  51. BFKAD June 25th, 2010 at 9:32 am

    SJ44,

    I’d like to think I know quite a bit about baseball after playing under some pretty established coaches through hs / college.

    You telling anyone the A Rod move was dumb and anyone who doesn’t agree doesn’t know baseball is typical for you.

    Oh great one of baseball knowledge, please forgive me for my wrong doing…. joke.

  52. upstate kate June 25th, 2010 at 9:32 am

    Billy D
    I take it as back handed b/c they were complimenting 3 teams (sox, phillies, some other team) that had battle thru injuries, and then just dismissed the Yankees, who have also battled thru key injuries…no big deal, it just gave me a laugh

  53. SJ44 June 25th, 2010 at 9:33 am

    As far as divisions in the clubhouse, that’s true.

    Guess what? He caused a lot of it with his uneven treatment of players.

    His strength was supposed to be having a unified clubhouse.

    The last 3 years of his term, it was anything but and he has to take some of that responsibility for it. He never has to this day.

    Its pretty tough to tell your players to be accountable yet, have no accountability for your own actions.

    That’s why, aside from some media types who love him calling them by their first names and spinning baseball tales, folks around the team have no use for him right now.

    Humility isn’t a bad thing. Arod learned that the hard way. Perhaps Torre should try it sometime.

  54. SJ44 June 25th, 2010 at 9:35 am

    How in the world can anybody justify hitting Arod 8th in an elimination game.

    It makes no sense.

    Tell me the last team at the major league level who has done that with their best player.

    He didn’t even tell him until AFTER he posted the lineup card.

    It went against everything he preached in his time in NY.

    It was a dumb move.

  55. RayVT June 25th, 2010 at 9:36 am

    SJ44 June 25th, 2010 at 9:27 am

    I like Joe Torre & I agree the ARod 8th was dumb. I bet it isn’t the only dumb move he ever made nor the last one. If I had to list Joe G’s dumb moves we could go on for quite a while too. Same with my own!

    All that said, I believe Joe G is the right guy for the Yankees. IMO, it would have been much better to let Joe T have 2008 with a one year contract & the same pay with a retirement plan! If he made the playoffs great! If not so what! Joe G certainly didn’t get them in either.

  56. upstate kate June 25th, 2010 at 9:36 am

    I would say in contrast to the Arod batting 8th move, you see Girardi sticking w/ Tex especially and Arod to some extent in the 3 and 4 spot, knowing that eventually they will produce.

  57. BFKAD June 25th, 2010 at 9:37 am

    Um, you don’t want players to think there is a problem with the clean up hitter? Look at the stat sheet along with his general demeanor and you’d have to be blind not to see.

  58. Patrick June 25th, 2010 at 9:39 am

    The revisionist history on Torre is absurd. I can’t believe some of these so-called fans that are ripping the guy now that he’s gone. Pathetic

  59. vinny-b (Brett Gardner will never see the bench again) June 25th, 2010 at 9:39 am

    “Ask the players how they felt when the saw the lineup card that day. They couldn’t believe he had Arod hitting 8th.
    It was a dumb, spiteful move and it backfired.
    He’s been trying to re-write history on it ever since.
    For a guy who had such a handle on people, its pretty dumb to embarrass the best player on the team prior to the biggest game of the year.”
    ——————————————————————————–

    SJ:

    I don’t know. Am willing to bet if a study was conducted, many of the same people who now take issue with Torre on this, are the same ones who have been ripping Girardi for not dropping Texeria in the batting order.

    it really is the same thing.

  60. Chip June 25th, 2010 at 9:40 am

    I love how Torre is quoted in the NY Post today as saying he doesn’t understand why Alex would have a problem with him and thought he had a great relationship with A-Rod.

    FYI, Cashman is also not a big fan of Torre as a result of the book, to which Joe still says he doesn’t get why anyone would have a problem with the book.

  61. BFKAD June 25th, 2010 at 9:40 am

    / Tex especially and Arod to some extent in the 3 and 4 spot, knowing that eventually they will produce.

    ___________________

    EVENTUALLY! Key word. Torre didn’t have that kind of time.

  62. Tom in NJ June 25th, 2010 at 9:43 am

    The player who replaced Alex as the cleanup hitter-Gary Sheffield-was hitting all of .083 for the series. I don’t see how one can say it was just a baseball move.

  63. Chip June 25th, 2010 at 9:43 am

    Patrick June 25th, 2010 at 9:39 am
    The revisionist history on Torre is absurd. I can?t believe some of these so-called fans that are ripping the guy now that he?s gone. Pathetic
    ——————

    I don’t think it’s revisionist history to point out some of Joe’s bigger head scratchers – like batting Alex 8th vs Detroit, the way he destroyed pitchers, or his book and other lampooning of Alex in the press – or the way his book threw Cashman under the bus even though Brian took several bullets for Joe from Steinbrenner after 04, 05, and 06

  64. Erin June 25th, 2010 at 9:43 am

    Personally, I can’t wait until this series is over. I’ve already had enough of of the Torre stuff. lol

    Anybody besides me think Alex is going to have a really good series against the Dodgers?? ;)

  65. pat June 25th, 2010 at 9:43 am

    Patrick

    Revisionist history works both ways. He was ripped many times when he was manager of the NY Yankees so why pretend he was perfect now?

    I’m conflicted with Torre. He was the right man at the right time until he wasn’t anymore.

  66. vinny-b (Brett Gardner will never see the bench again) June 25th, 2010 at 9:45 am

    “The player who replaced Alex as the cleanup hitter-Gary Sheffield-was hitting all of .083 for the series”
    —————————————————————-

    compare Sheffield and Arod, during their time together in the Bronx. By far, Sheffield had more hits when it mattered.

  67. Erin June 25th, 2010 at 9:45 am

    Chip June 25th, 2010 at 9:40 am
    I love how Torre is quoted in the NY Post today as saying he doesn’t understand why Alex would have a problem with him and thought he had a great relationship with A-Rod.

    **************************
    He thought he had a great relationship with A-Rod? I’m sure that would be news to Alex. lol

  68. blake June 25th, 2010 at 9:45 am

    Bottom line: the move didn’t work, the Yankees lost the series, Torre lost Alex forever and nothing good came of it…not sure how you defend that?

    I think Torre was the perfect manager for the Yankees from about 1996-2006, his expiration date came and both sides are better off from moving on…but that doesn’t change what he did in those 10 years to me.

  69. Chip June 25th, 2010 at 9:46 am

    The bottom line – imo – is that Joe’s baseball IQ dropped significantly when Zim left. Torre was never a good between the lines manager and counted on Zim for seeing things during the game that needed to be tweaked, when Zim left, Torre didn’t trust his bench coaches, he thought guys like Maz, Willie, Girardi, and even Donnie were there to take his job and so he shut them out.

  70. BFKAD June 25th, 2010 at 9:46 am

    ————————————————————— SJ:
    I don’t know. Am willing to bet if a study was conducted, many of the same people who now take issue with Torre on this, are the same ones who have been ripping Girardi for not dropping Texeria in the batting order.

    it really is the same thing.
    _____________________

    It is absolutely not. Regular season = long time for adjustments and improvement. Twx deserves to stay there to right the ship. Moving him now could mess with him in this long season.

    Torre made the move for immediate action. It was not going to mess with the team through the season.

    How about Girardi lineup in 2008 now that is a travesty.

  71. Patrick June 25th, 2010 at 9:47 am

    Where do I say he’s perfect? I said Torre wasn’t the best manager. He never learned how to manage a bullpen and he fell asleep at the wheel at times. But you can’t just forget the results.

    Torre was a beloved Yankee but now that he’s gone, some spiteful fans hate him.

    Batting A-rod 8th was the right move, he had 1 single that entire series and zero walks.

  72. mick June 25th, 2010 at 9:48 am

    So as WFAN calls it: It’s the NYY vs. JOE TORRE and the la dodgers……

    give me a break, unbelievable yet ,to most, TRUE.

    Don’t give in to the hype.

  73. NYYROC June 25th, 2010 at 9:48 am

    I remember Billy Martin saying one time that a good mgr could win 3 or 4 games a year with his moves, but a bad one could lose a lot of games.

  74. mick June 25th, 2010 at 9:49 am

    Torre was a beloved Yankee but now that he’s gone, some spiteful fans hate him.

    Batting A-rod 8th was the right move, he had 1 single that entire series and zero walks.
    ================================
    C’mon Patrick, that’s a little over the top.

  75. upstate kate June 25th, 2010 at 9:49 am

    last week it was Manny’s return to Fenway… this week it is the Yankees facing Torre…next week???

  76. Patrick June 25th, 2010 at 9:49 am

    I can’t get over that fans think Torre should have appeased his veterans in an elimination game of a playoff series. I give him a lot of credit for batting A-rod 8th. He had no fear of pissing people off, he just wanted to win the game.

  77. Rick June 25th, 2010 at 9:49 am

    If Padilla plunks Alex, the whole world will know where the orders came from.

  78. Chip June 25th, 2010 at 9:49 am

    From today’s NY Post:

    Rodriguez?s silence confused Torre.

    ?I didn?t think that at all, I really didn?t,? Torre said, asked last night if his relationship with Rodriguez was a bad one before the reeling Dodgers played the Angels at Angel Stadium. ?I am sorry to hear that because I didn?t think I had a bad relationship with Alex at all.?

    Torre said his contributions to the book were public knowledge before they were used. Torre did say that author Tom Verducci had his blessing to find out stories about the Yankees on his own.

    ?I don?t think I violated anything with Alex,? Torre said. ?I am sorry if he feels that way.?

    Read more: http://www.nypost.com/p/sports.....z0rs9qBLlk

  79. rj June 25th, 2010 at 9:49 am

    SJ44 June 25th, 2010 at 9:35 am
    How in the world can anybody justify hitting Arod 8th in an elimination game.

    It makes no sense.

    Tell me the last team at the major league level who has done that with their best player.

    He didn’t even tell him until AFTER he posted the lineup card.

    It went against everything he preached in his time in NY.

    It was a dumb move

    ===========================================================Agreed.

    And if they win that game and advance, what does that do to your best player’s confidence going forward?

    Girardi won’t even try moving Tex out of the #3 spot for 1 game in the first half of the season. That pales in comparison to what Torre actually did.

    Alex need not apologize for opting out of the Torre lovefest.

  80. Shame Spencer June 25th, 2010 at 9:50 am

    I don’t think not liking Torre makes people “so-called fans” ..but I’m also in the “I boo my own players when they suck” club, so I probably qualify as one anyway.

  81. Rishi June 25th, 2010 at 9:50 am

    Chip June 25th, 2010 at 9:46 am
    The bottom line ? imo ? is that Joe?s baseball IQ dropped significantly when Zim left. Torre was never a good between the lines manager and counted on Zim for seeing things during the game that needed to be tweaked, when Zim left, Torre didn?t trust his bench coaches, he thought guys like Maz, Willie, Girardi, and even Donnie were there to take his job and so he shut them out
    ================

    now this I can agree with…

    Ultimately, he can hang out in LA and deal with Manny antics – I don’t care. But his favoritism was pretty apparent in the later years and I think the team is better off with him and the favorities game (including brutalizing bullpen arms)

  82. Patrick June 25th, 2010 at 9:50 am

    C’mon Patrick, that’s a little over the top.

    —-

    How so? Have you been reading the blog recently? Whenever the topic of Torre is brought up “fans” around here destroy him. Terrible manager, two-faced, liar, dumb, spiteful, clueless. I can go on…

  83. mick June 25th, 2010 at 9:51 am

    I think Torre was the perfect manager for the Yankees from about 1996-2006, his expiration date came and both sides are better off from moving on…but that doesn’t change what he did in those 10 years to me.
    =======================
    Those were push-button years.When the talent pool dropped Joe had a tough go of it.
    Give the players more credit than him.

  84. Patrick from CT June 25th, 2010 at 9:51 am

    Alex will Mash this weekend…
    Yankees will win 2 of 3 if they remain focused on the task at hand.
    Joe G is not going to put up with a lot of BS associated with the reunion of the old guard with Joe Torre.
    This is Joe G’s team, Joe T is history…

  85. upstate kate June 25th, 2010 at 9:52 am

    NYYROC
    yeah, the same Billy Martin that messed around w/ Reggie :)

  86. mick June 25th, 2010 at 9:53 am

    It wasn’t exactly the Bronx Zoo when Torre was here.
    He had a good mix and his toughest decision was who to play in LF.

  87. Billy D June 25th, 2010 at 9:53 am

    “The player who replaced Alex as the cleanup hitter-Gary Sheffield-was hitting all of .083 for the series. I don’t see how one can say it was just a baseball move.”

    Sheffield actually hit cleanup in 3 of the 4 games in that series, with Rodriguez hitting cleanup only Game 3. He hit 6th in Games 1 and 2.

    As Rodriguez hit .350+ in September and Sheffield came back in the last week and a half of the regular season and hit .250 with a couple of homers, the decision to have Sheffield bat cleanup in Games 1 and 2 is indeed puzzling. Anyone recally the rationale back then?

  88. RMS June 25th, 2010 at 9:53 am

    To all the Torre critics, yes he made some dumb moves, so do all managers.

    He won some rings and was a great buffer between George and the players. That’s what I will remember about him. People need to focus on the positive not the negative.

  89. BFKAD June 25th, 2010 at 9:53 am

    Patrick,

    Well put. I swear some people on this blog think they are Yankee insiders talking about how players feel and what coaches are thinking. It’s fantasy to believe anyone in the MLB cares as much about their team, their record or anything else as much as them.

    $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$

  90. Patrick June 25th, 2010 at 9:54 am

    “Anyone recally the rationale back then?”

    Probably something like, “Sheff has hit some hard balls right at guys, I like the way he’s swinging the bat”. Or something equally meaningless

  91. pat June 25th, 2010 at 9:54 am

    “Batting A-rod 8th was the right move, he had 1 single that entire series and zero walks.”

    And Sheffield had?

  92. Wes June 25th, 2010 at 9:55 am

    ESPN reports that Bobby V. will interview for the Marlins job today after declining the Orioles job on Wednesday.
    Where will St. Joe manage next year ?

  93. mick June 25th, 2010 at 9:56 am

    “Batting A-rod 8th was the right move, he had 1 single that entire series and zero walks.”

    And Sheffield had?
    ===============
    It was only the right move, if it worked.
    And it didn’t.

  94. rj June 25th, 2010 at 9:56 am

    Good move Bobby V. I don’t know how anyone could take the O’s job and see anything else in store for them than looking at the rest of the division’s heels for their whole tenure.

  95. blake June 25th, 2010 at 9:58 am

    Mick,

    When you account for dealing with the media and steinbrenner and winning baseball games, he was the perfect mananager during those years IMO. More credit should always be given to the players no matter who is managing. The guy hadn’t missed the playoffs since 1996….some of those mid 2000 teams were pretty flawed…he’s done something right.

  96. mick June 25th, 2010 at 9:59 am

    Batting A-rod 8th was the right move, he had 1 single that entire series and zero walks.
    ============================================
    Obviously he was no master psychologist. If he knew and understood his ballplayer , he would have known he would not take well to this move.

    More like he threw in the towel.

  97. Presidente June 25th, 2010 at 10:00 am

    BFKAD June 25th, 2010 at 8:55 am
    Presedente,

    Evidence of this always occurring?

    ———————-

    Google search “rap concert riot” produced 389,000 results

  98. Patrick June 25th, 2010 at 10:00 am

    Sheffield was equally horrible that series. If I’m recalling correctly, wasn’t that the year where Sheff and Matsui were hurt all year and Joe put them right back into the batting order when they came back?

    I won’t deny, that was a terrible move. Should have stuck with the guys that got him there.

    I’ll never say Torre didn’t make mistakes. But I’m not going to change my opinion of him just because he’s no longer a Yankee. Great guy, very good manager.

  99. mick June 25th, 2010 at 10:00 am

    players no matter who is managing. The guy hadn’t missed the playoffs since 1996….some of those mid 2000 teams were pretty flawed…he’s done something right.
    =======================================
    blake
    sure he did but he was also flawed, not St. Joe as the media portrayed, to their own benefit.

  100. vinny-b (Brett Gardner will never see the bench again) June 25th, 2010 at 10:02 am

    “C’mon Patrick, that’s a little over the top”
    ————————————————–

    no it’s not.

    pitchers were not getting him out. Arod was getting himself out. He was an out before even getting to the plate. By comparison, much worse than Texeria’s early season difficulties. And it was all mental.

    I didn’t have a problem with Torre for doing this at the time. And i don’t have a problem with it now.

    Torre electing not to bunt on Curt Schilling is a different matter, however

  101. pat June 25th, 2010 at 10:03 am

    I’ll agree with very good manager.

    Never met him and his behavior suggests a bit of a passive/agressive streak so I’ll reserve judgement on the great guy part.

  102. mick June 25th, 2010 at 10:04 am

    When you account for dealing with the media and steinbrenner and winning baseball games,
    ============================
    Again, it wasn’t the Bronx Zoo.
    Granted Martin and George were oil and water but Torre had good soldiers.
    There were no Munson-Jackson personality conflicts.

  103. BFKAD June 25th, 2010 at 10:04 am

    25, 2010 at 10:00 am
    BFKAD June 25th, 2010 at 8:55 am Presedente, Evidence of this always occurring?———————-

    Google search “rap concert riot” produced 389,000
    ______________________

    Go type in plane wreck and see how many results you get. How often does that happen?

    Also, learn Google search. You get results for every word in that phrase.

  104. Patrick June 25th, 2010 at 10:05 am

    Google search “rap concert riot” produced 389,000 results

    “rock concert riot” and “country concert riot” produce hundreds of thousands of results as well

    1. number of google search results mean nothing

    2. you are a racist idiot

  105. Shame Spencer June 25th, 2010 at 10:06 am

    Does getting tickets to a rap concert at Yankee Stadium make me a “fan” or a fan (minus the d**k fingers)?

  106. Bronx Jeers June 25th, 2010 at 10:06 am

    Let’s not get too worked up over the A-Rod-Torre cold war.

    I’m sure the NY tabloids have been salivating over this series for some time and will exploit this angle diligently. They need it badly as both NY teams have been playing a well-played, relatively squeaky clean season so far.

    And both Arod and Torre have much bigger fish to fry this weekend. Arod’s trying to get healthy and his is still looking for his A+ swing. Torre’s team is reeling a bit in a pretty tight race out there.

    Beware any articles covering their strained relationship that contain a 10 word quote followed by 10 paragraphs of conjecture.

  107. mick June 25th, 2010 at 10:07 am

    I didn’t have a problem with Torre for doing this at the time. And i don’t have a problem with it now.

    Torre electing not to bunt on Curt Schilling is a different matter, however
    ============================
    Vinny,
    How can you differentiate btween these moves? They are from the same mind.
    Would Torre have done that to Jeter or even Sheff?
    He played favorites, everybody knows that.
    Midges, not bunting,killing bullpens…all on him…only the St. Joe propaganda keeps you from seeing it.

  108. blake June 25th, 2010 at 10:09 am

    Mick,
    No isn’t wasn’t the Bronx zoo but Torre didn’t let Steinbrenner push him around..he did a great job of keeping the team separate from all the Mayhem. Who knows if they would have performed as well under different circumstances. Everyone has flaws but Torre’s track record up until the end there was hard to ignore.

  109. Patrick June 25th, 2010 at 10:11 am

    mick,

    As Billy D already pointed out, Torre hit Posada 8th twice in that series. It has nothing to do with favoritism, he was just trying to win ballgames.

  110. mick June 25th, 2010 at 10:12 am

    as well under different circumstances. Everyone has flaws but Torre’s track record up until the end there was hard to ignore.
    ===============================
    blake
    when was the end?
    2001, 2003, 2004.
    He hit his peak vs. the mets, winning #4.
    Looks like his first 5 years covered up for his last 5.

  111. Presidente June 25th, 2010 at 10:12 am

    an insult from Patrick? shocking. another internet tough guy. want to put your money where your mouth is?

    anyone who doesn’t realize that riots occur at rap concerts is either an apologist or an imbecile (or both).

  112. BFKAD June 25th, 2010 at 10:12 am

    The midges move argument is truly funny.

    Torre goes into the inning with the best set up man in the game, a nest or millions of midges enters the field and he’s supposed to change his plan.

    Damn you Torre. Plan for that.

  113. vinny-b (Brett Gardner will never see the bench again) June 25th, 2010 at 10:13 am

    “Midges, not bunting,killing bullpens…all on him…only the St. Joe propaganda keeps you from seeing it”
    ————————————————————
    Mick:

    you have it wrong.

    not at all saying Torre was a great manager. In reality, i say he was lucky. And before his tenure was over, he had shortcomings which were unaceptable (didn’t know how to operate a ML bullpen, playing washed-up vets, the midges incident etc).

    to me, Joe Girardi is and will prove to be the better manager if given time. Don’t group me in with the Joe Torre apologists, just because i agree with one of the lone moves he made.

  114. mick June 25th, 2010 at 10:13 am

    patrick

    moving posada to 8th is not the same as dropping your cleanup hitter to 8th.
    it didn’t work, therefore it was wrong.

  115. BFKAD June 25th, 2010 at 10:14 am

    Anyone who believes riots occur at every rap concert is a racist.

  116. vinny-b (Brett Gardner will never see the bench again) June 25th, 2010 at 10:15 am

    “Torre goes into the inning with the best set up man in the game, a nest or millions of midges enters the field and he’s supposed to change his plan”
    ————————————————————–

    you take your team off the field, clown.

  117. Patrick June 25th, 2010 at 10:16 am

    an insult from Patrick? shocking. another internet tough guy. want to put your money where your mouth is?

    anyone who doesn’t realize that riots occur at rap concerts is either an apologist or an imbecile (or both).

    Riots occur at all types of concerts. Implying they only happen at rap concerts is ignorant and racist.

    Money where my mouth is? Are you serious dude? If you can’t take an insult on a blog, I don’t think you are cut out for this internet stuff

  118. mick June 25th, 2010 at 10:16 am

    ok torre forgot his bottle of raid but why couldn’t he show some urgency?
    pull them off the field, go crazy, no he was no longer hungry.
    managing isn’t just filling out a lineup card.

  119. Shame Spencer June 25th, 2010 at 10:16 am

    “anyone who doesn’t realize that riots occur at rap concerts is either an apologist or an imbecile (or both).”

    Riots occur at soccer games. What is the point exactly?

  120. Presidente June 25th, 2010 at 10:16 am

    that’s right, I’m calling you out, Patrick. you’re always talking sh*t on here.

    well, now’s your chance to put up or shut up.

    what’s it going to be, tough guy?

  121. Wave Your Hat June 25th, 2010 at 10:17 am

    ” If I’m recalling correctly, wasn’t that the year where Sheff and Matsui were hurt all year and Joe put them right back into the batting order when they came back?

    I won’t deny, that was a terrible move. Should have stuck with the guys that got him there.”

    Stop me when I get to the guys you wanted to start instead: Andy Phillips, Miguel Cairo, Aaron Guiel, Craig Wilson…

  122. BFKAD June 25th, 2010 at 10:18 am

    You pull up your skirt and play ball.

    The Cleveland hitters weren’t going to go cry in the dugout.

    The umpire stops the game. Not the manager.

  123. Presidente June 25th, 2010 at 10:18 am

    What is the point exactly?

    —————–

    my point was to see how long it would take Patrick to hurl an insult.

    mission accomplished.

    let’s see what’s he’s really made of…

  124. mick June 25th, 2010 at 10:18 am

    what’s it going to be, tough guy?
    =======================
    Under the O’Neill banner?

  125. vinny-b (Brett Gardner will never see the bench again) June 25th, 2010 at 10:18 am

    “anyone who doesn’t realize that riots occur at rap concerts is either an apologist or an imbecile (or both)”
    —————————————————————–

    Presidente:

    another new name, by a long-time poster on this board. I wonder what regular you might be…? As if i have to wonder

  126. mick June 25th, 2010 at 10:19 am

    You pull up your skirt and play ball.
    =======================
    Sexist remark.
    Stupid too.

  127. Patrick June 25th, 2010 at 10:20 am

    that’s right, I’m calling you out, Patrick. you’re always talking sh*t on here.

    well, now’s your chance to put up or shut up.

    what’s it going to be, tough guy?

    What does that even mean? How am I supposed to put up or shut up? Meet you under the Paul O’neil banner?

    Use your regular username so I know who I’m talking to. Presidente? Never seen you around this blog. I’m not the coward using an alternate name.

  128. BFKAD June 25th, 2010 at 10:20 am

    Lol Pat and Presidente are going to fight online.
    Tickets available at 1030 on stubhub.

  129. Shame Spencer June 25th, 2010 at 10:21 am

    If Patrick and Presidente are meeting under the O’neill Banner I think me and mick should sell tickets to the show.

  130. mick June 25th, 2010 at 10:21 am

    Shame
    I’m in.

  131. blake June 25th, 2010 at 10:22 am

    Mick,
    As I said, he still made the playoffs those years with some pretty poorly constructed teams. Old starting pitching, thin bullpens, terrible defenses, and inflexible offenses.

  132. Patrick June 25th, 2010 at 10:22 am

    Stop me when I get to the guys you wanted to start instead: Andy Phillips, Miguel Cairo, Aaron Guiel, Craig Wilson…

    True.. but they also had Melky and Bernie who only got 3 ab’s each the whole series

  133. Bronx Jeers June 25th, 2010 at 10:23 am

    The Banner!

    http://www.flickr.com/photos/b.....865570142/

  134. mick June 25th, 2010 at 10:24 am

    Mick,
    As I said, he still made the playoffs those years with some pretty poorly constructed teams. Old starting pitching, thin bullpens, terrible defenses, and inflexible offenses.
    ========================
    blake
    are you saying he got them there? the rest of the league might have been older, thinner and more terrible and inflexible.
    they were still good.

  135. Patrick June 25th, 2010 at 10:24 am

    Haha I have no desire to fight some 15 year old from the internet. Supposedly I have to put up or shut up for calling a racist person racist.

  136. Shame Spencer June 25th, 2010 at 10:25 am

    Patrick, mick and I will give you a cut if you promise to break at least half his fingers. That way it will be more difficult for him to impersonate the posters on the blog.

  137. Patrick June 25th, 2010 at 10:27 am

    Patrick, mick and I will give you a cut if you promise to break at least half his fingers. That way it will be more difficult for him to impersonate the posters on the blog.

    Still waiting to see what Presidente means by “put up or shut up” and “put your money where your mouth is”…

    Does he want me to send him money or fight him? Neither is going to happen :(

  138. Shame Spencer June 25th, 2010 at 10:28 am

    New thread >

  139. mick June 25th, 2010 at 10:28 am

    Patrick, mick and I will give you a cut if you promise to break at least half his fingers. That way it will be more difficult for him to impersonate the posters on the blog.
    =============================================
    He/she might not use fingers to type. Maybe thumbs or some other body parts.

  140. blake June 25th, 2010 at 10:29 am

    Mick,
    No I’m not saying he got them there…just saying they got there. There is no way to quantify how much impact he had so sometimes you just have to look at the scoreboard. I’m not saying Torre should still be in NY, because I don’t think he should be…I just appr

  141. RayVT June 25th, 2010 at 10:33 am

    SJ44 June 25th, 2010 at 9:27 am

    If the Yanks had won that game then it would have been deemed a Maddon moment of great coaching by shaking things up!

  142. Jerry-NJ June 25th, 2010 at 12:32 pm

    I hate that the Yankees have to rent out the stadium to pay off their ginormous debt… Look at what the boxing match did to the outfield.

  143. Michelle June 25th, 2010 at 3:29 pm

    So excited to see Jay live! Got my tickets at Charged.fm… http://www.charged.fm/event/it.....211;eminem

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