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Sabathia, Rodriguez and Teixeira turning a corner

Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Misc on Jun 26, 2010 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

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To different extents and in different ways, CC Sabathia, Alex Rodriguez and Mark Teixeira have been better the past few weeks than they were earlier this month.

• Sabathia has won five straight starts, and he’s worked through the seventh inning in each one of them. Before this streak, the Yankees had lost four straight Sabathia starts, and he hadn’t won since May 3. “CC is CC,” Mariano Rivera said. “I expect that from CC. It’s not like when I see that I’m like, wow, he did good. I expect that. I get concerned when he doesn’t do it because I know he is capable to do that.”

• Rodriguez has homered in two of the past three games, raising his season total to 10. He’s still not on pace for a huge home run total, but earlier this week Rodriguez was on pace for roughly 18. Now he’s on pace for more than 22. “It goes back to the Mets,” he said. “I had a couple of good swings in that series that I felt good about. I’ve been doing a lot of work with Kevin Long every day, and little by little I’m getting a little better.”

• Teixeira has a seven-game hitting streak. In the 16 games since that ugly series in Toronto earlier this month — when he struck out five times in one game and set off numerous calls for him to be dropped in the order — Teixeira has hit .305 with four home runs, three doubles and 11 RBI. That’s more or less in line with his career numbers, a little better even.

 
 

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148 Responses to “Sabathia, Rodriguez and Teixeira turning a corner”

  1. Betsy - Hughes rules (pleading the Fifth) June 26th, 2010 at 1:28 pm

    MTU, it should be fun; it’s set to be Lee against Phil…….

    I’m not ready to proclaim Tex back, not even close. Alex does appear to have turned a corner, but he’s going to have to be rested regularly. CC is the one I have the most confidence in as far as him going on a roll.

  2. RMS June 26th, 2010 at 1:31 pm

    Never worried about
    CC-He is an Ace
    Tex-eventually he would come around
    Alex-only thing I worried about is injuries

    AJ-Now that is somebody to worry about

  3. MTU (aka GBURL) June 26th, 2010 at 1:33 pm

    Betsy-

    That’s a great matchup. I might have to do something even more special if Phil outpitches Lee. :)

  4. blake June 26th, 2010 at 1:35 pm

    Alex will be around 30 homers and should finish well over 100R RBIs but the most important thing is for the Yankees to make sure he’s as close to 100% as possible come October…if that means more off days and a lesser season numbers then so be it. They need him healthy and ready to go in the postseason first and foremost.

  5. m June 26th, 2010 at 1:38 pm

    Pfft. Keebler had 3 in one game.

  6. upstate kate June 26th, 2010 at 1:38 pm

    Johan just gave up 4 runs in the top of the 1st…all base hits, no HR

  7. Rich in NJ June 26th, 2010 at 1:38 pm

    Yeah, that’s the point I made a few days ago. They are running on four cylinders and are still in first place. If they stay reasonably healthy, and guys revert to or near their career norms, this team can be unstoppable. Fortunately, big leaps forward by Cano, Gardner, Hughes, and Swish (and Pettitte’s greatest season) have enabled them to compensate for their problems to date.

  8. MTU (aka GBURL) June 26th, 2010 at 1:39 pm

    3 degrees of separation is what we are going to have if A-Rod, Tex and Grandy get it going.

    Look what we have done with a power outtage. Imagine what we can do without one. Scary.

    With our Staff and those guys getting their knocks the rest of the league will begin to eat our dust.

  9. Rick June 26th, 2010 at 1:39 pm

    I liked A-Rod’s after game interview with Kimberly when he said he knows that hitting to the opposite field is a good thing for him and that the HR’s will fall as they may.
    Swing strictly for the fences was never his best approach and he now realizes it, possibly with his working so much with Kevin Long.

  10. pat June 26th, 2010 at 1:41 pm

    “Selig’s plaque will be loaded with fodder about his keeping integrity in the game and leading the effort to make the game financially secure. No mention of how he was the former owner of the Milwaukee Brewers to show an ulterior motive.”

    I understand the distinction between baseball the sport and baseball the business and appreciate and enjoy both sides of it.

    Selig has prioritized the business over the sport but wants his legacy to be remembered the other way around.

  11. Betsy - Hughes rules (pleading the Fifth) June 26th, 2010 at 1:42 pm

    MTU, I am hoping it’s a pitcher’s duel, but if the Yankees pound Lee, I won’t be unhappy!

  12. teddy June 26th, 2010 at 1:42 pm

    pavano not sure i like the hit or not lol

  13. blake June 26th, 2010 at 1:43 pm

    The stance Cashman took on Sanatna is starting to look like a career defining moment as CC dominates, Hughes emerges, and Johan fades.

  14. pat June 26th, 2010 at 1:44 pm

    BobKlap At Citi Field, watching Johan Santana pitch on Family Day. Hard to ignore the irony.

    :wink:

  15. Rich in NJ June 26th, 2010 at 1:45 pm

    Selig should always be known as the commissioner that turned a willfully blind eye to the PED era that dominated the game for much of his tenure.

  16. Betsy - Hughes rules (pleading the Fifth) June 26th, 2010 at 1:45 pm

    Blake, absolutely; I hope Joe doesn’t neglect to rest him even though it’s tempting to put him out there every day.

    Rich, the Yankees have gotten lucky in a lot of ways. If Cano hadn’t taken that quantum leap, we’d be in 3rd place at least. If Phil was even just an ordinary 5th starter, we’d be in trouble. If Andy hadn’t pitched like an ace, we’d be in trouble. I don’t think the Yanks can continue to count on luck to sustain them; they NEED their guys to do their thingi.

  17. MTU (aka GBURL) June 26th, 2010 at 1:45 pm

    Blake-

    Very well put young Man ! Are you sure you’re really just a country Dentist and not a famous writer ? Come clean ! :)

  18. Rich in NJ June 26th, 2010 at 1:46 pm

    “BobKlap At Citi Field, watching Johan Santana pitch on Family Day. Hard to ignore the irony.”

    Eh, Klapisch shouldn’t judge people, imho. For all we know, the Santanas have an open marriage.

  19. Betsy - Hughes rules (pleading the Fifth) June 26th, 2010 at 1:47 pm

    Blake, but just imagine if Bill Smith had not gotten greedy. Cash didn’t want to trade Phil at all, but was forced by Hank to put him on the table. If Smith had had any brains, Phil would be in a Twinkies uniform………..and I’d be crying. Phil’s doing this at 23/24; imagine how good he could be in a few years?

  20. Betsy - Hughes rules (pleading the Fifth) June 26th, 2010 at 1:47 pm

    To do their thing – I don’t know what a thingi is.

  21. MTU (aka GBURL) June 26th, 2010 at 1:48 pm

    Betsy-

    Of course you do. A “thingi” is anything you want it to be. :)

  22. blake June 26th, 2010 at 1:49 pm

    MTU,

    yea I’m sure, I struggle to put legible sentences together sometimes ;)

  23. GreenBeret7 June 26th, 2010 at 1:49 pm

    I don’t care about Rodriguez “lack” of power. I do care that he’s on target to score 90-95 runs and knock in 120+ runs, though. Same with Teixeira at a 100 run, 100 RBI clip.

  24. Tom in N.j. June 26th, 2010 at 1:49 pm

    Pedroia hurt?

  25. Betsy - Hughes rules (pleading the Fifth) June 26th, 2010 at 1:51 pm

    I venture to say that Phil has surprised Cash with his performance this year…….but give the man credit as he always believed in him.

    Recently on 1050 (I think the Kay show), there was a discussion about knowing when to trade (or not trade) youngsters. The example brought up was Doyle Alexander to the Tigers for future HOF John Smoltz. The question was whether it was worth it for the Tigers to get to the playoffs (they wouldn’t have done it without Alexander), when they gave up years worth of HOF performances from Smoltz. Of course, in hindsight, the Tigers got knocked out early – it’s not like they won the WS. Would it have still been worth it had they won the WS………and then still witnessed Smoltz doing his thing with the Braves? Boy, that’s a tough one as there’s no guarantee Detroit would have won anything with Smoltz.

  26. MTU (aka GBURL) June 26th, 2010 at 1:51 pm

    GB-

    Good morning. Please stop with being so sensible around here. :)

    Tom-

    Yes. He’s on crutches and in a protective boot. Out for a minimum of 3 days and maybe more. :)

  27. GreenBeret7 June 26th, 2010 at 1:51 pm

    m June 26th, 2010 at 1:38 pm
    Pfft. Keebler had 3 in one game.

    ———————————————————————————————————————-

    So did 5 foot 4 inch, 140 pound Freddie Patek once.

  28. Rich in NJ June 26th, 2010 at 1:51 pm

    Betsy

    That’s a fair point, but alternatively, as Branch Rickey said, luck is the residue of design. Hard work plus Kevin Long’s tutelage paid off. Similarly, Hughes’s stint in the pen transformed his confidence and refined his cutter. The Andy thing was less predictable, but I think that taken together, the foregoing demonstrates that assembling a ton of talent often yields benefits that aren’t always predictable. At least in n part, that’s what we are seeing.

  29. Tom in N.j. June 26th, 2010 at 1:53 pm

    MTU, how’d he get hurt?

    Somebody try to take his lucky charms?

  30. m June 26th, 2010 at 1:53 pm

    pat,

    lol. Took a few seconds to get that one.

    Am I to understand that Johan is involved in some kind of scandal? I’ve only caught bits and pieces here.

  31. Betsy - Hughes rules (pleading the Fifth) June 26th, 2010 at 1:53 pm

    My reasoning for not wanting to trade Phil was (besides the fact that I was already attached to him) that he was 21 at the time – Santana was 6 or 7 years older. I also didn’t think Johan would guarantee us anything – and people were talking about him like he would. It wasn’t that Johan wasn’t great, but I don’t believe any player ever guarantees a team anything. As it turned out, the 2008 Yankees really were not a championship caliber club. Now looking back in hindsight, those who were for the trade are admitting that the non-trade was for the best, but I thought that was the case at the time anyway.

  32. MTU (aka GBURL) June 26th, 2010 at 1:54 pm

    Tom-

    Foul ball off of the foot.

    The Lucky Charms are stored in his trunk at the end of the rainbow. :)

  33. m June 26th, 2010 at 1:55 pm

    GB7,

    must have something to do with t-ball mechanics.

  34. Rich in NJ June 26th, 2010 at 1:55 pm

    Actually, Kevin Long may be responsible for a lot of what we are seeing. Obviously, primary credit goes to Cano, Gardner, and Swish for their improvement as hitters, but otoh, I think Long is so good, that he creates a program that can make players better if they are willing to do the work.

    I think we need a pitching coach that is that good, but that’s an issue for another day.

  35. blake June 26th, 2010 at 1:55 pm

    GB7,
    I don’t care about Arod’s HR totals either…if he’s hitting it hard and driving in runs that’s all that matters…the homeruns will come if he just focuses on making solid contact…guys get in trouble when they start trying to force the issue to get those totals up.

  36. Apple byte June 26th, 2010 at 1:56 pm

    Tonight will be a telling outing for A.J. Burnett. If he gives a quality 7-8 innings he’s learned from his recent bad times.

  37. raymagnetic June 26th, 2010 at 1:56 pm

    “I don’t think the Yanks can continue to count on luck to sustain them; they NEED their guys to do their thingi.”

    Luck :???:

    How about the people who are having good seasons thus far are CONTRIBUTING to the team.

    Luck has NOTHING to do with it.

    Robby is just hitting his prime. Phil’s numbers are largely in line with his career numbers, and Andy Pettitte knows how to pitch, the man has won 238 games in his career.

    The Yankees have a very good team. They aren’t getting lucky. They’re just really good.

  38. stuckey June 26th, 2010 at 1:56 pm

    “Rich, the Yankees have gotten lucky in a lot of ways. If Cano hadn’t taken that quantum leap, we’d be in 3rd place at least. If Phil was even just an ordinary 5th starter, we’d be in trouble. If Andy hadn’t pitched like an ace, we’d be in trouble. I don’t think the Yanks can continue to count on luck to sustain them; they NEED their guys to do their thingi.”

    Cano, Hughes and Pettitte (and Swisher and yes, GARDNER) have nothing to do with “luck”.

    They are good players.

    Again, this is how a deep 25 man teams performs over 162 games.

    Unexpected heroes, guys moving up, guys struggling.

    There is no luck involved in the Yankees season. NO team performs at the peak ALL at the same time.

    They are the deepest team talent wise in the majors.

    THAT’s why they are in first.

  39. raymagnetic June 26th, 2010 at 2:02 pm

    “I think we need a pitching coach that is that good, but that’s an issue for another day.”

    The Yankees currently are second in the AL for Runs allowed per game.

    Not good enough for you?

    They are also second in the league for runs scored per game.

    Therefore the pitching and hitting have been equal.

    I know you don’t like Dave Eiland but you can’t say long is great and Eiland isn’t when the team is second in both runs allowed and runs scored per game.

    Also, the Yankee staff ERA has gone down EVERY year that Eiland has been the coach. I’m just saying….

  40. blake June 26th, 2010 at 2:02 pm

    Going to a cookout, be back later…got a good feeling about AJ tonight. I think he gets the train back on the tracks.

  41. pat June 26th, 2010 at 2:03 pm

    m

    Roethlisberger with a wedding ring.

  42. MTU (aka GBURL) June 26th, 2010 at 2:04 pm

    Blake-

    I think you are really Cormack McCarthy posing as a country Dentist and a LoHud Blogger.

    That’s alright. No need to admit it. Just stick to your story. I understand.

    This is no country for old men (so why am I here). :)

  43. pat June 26th, 2010 at 2:05 pm

    m

    Unfair for me not to include allegedly.

  44. Betsy - Hughes rules (pleading the Fifth) June 26th, 2010 at 2:05 pm

    Rich, good points.

    I admit that I didn’t take into account the quantum leap Phil would make as a starter. He dominated as a reliever and, as SJ I think has mentioned, the question was whether he could take that bullpen FB into the rotation. I think he’s answered that question with a resounding yes. For a brief period, I got all caught up in velocity, but why that was, I have no idea. I just have to watch the results he’s getting – and even in his non-dominant starts, hitters talk about how explosive that pitch is. His confidence (even when he doesn’t have his best stuff) is tremendous. I guess all young pitchers go through what Phil went through – maybe not the injury stuff, but if you look at the young studs everyone is talking about (Price, Buchholz, etc..), they all have struggled at points. The cutter has improved also, as you’ve said. I’m just waiting for some consistency with the curve because, when it’s right, it’s devastating. If he gets that down and a decent change, look out. It’s really fun to watch him pitch because he is a pitcher, not a thrower. Imagine how good he’ll be in a couple of years?

    Andy completely came out of nowhere, lol. I’m shocked, I really am.

    Swisher was a good player before Long got his hands on him, but you’re right – he’s worked tremendously hard to make these improvements. I shouldn’t chalk that up to luck. Same with Cano – lord knows the ability was always there.

    I really hope that Tex, Alex and Jeter and revert to their usual forms becaus we need them to.

  45. Rich in NJ June 26th, 2010 at 2:06 pm

    “The Yankees currently are second in the AL for Runs allowed per game.

    Not good enough for you?”

    $200m enables a team to acquire and keep great talent, so aggregate stats mean nothing in this context.

    It’s about getting players to maximize their talent, particularly young players.

    Joba has regressed. Robertson has been up and down. Melancon has yet to reach his potential.

    So no, that’s not good enough.

  46. Truth June 26th, 2010 at 2:06 pm

    Santana, the cheater, gives up 4 in the 1st inning.

    Pavano looks like a bandit with his mustache. Oh, that’s right, he robbed the Yankees.

  47. m June 26th, 2010 at 2:06 pm

    pat,

    :shock:

    Only one “vic”?

  48. MTU (aka GBURL) June 26th, 2010 at 2:07 pm

    Rich-

    A lot of Yankee hitters call Long “The Genius”.

    There must be a reason why. ;)

  49. GreenBeret7 June 26th, 2010 at 2:08 pm

    blake June 26th, 2010 at 1:55 pm
    GB7,
    I don’t care about Arod’s HR totals either…if he’s hitting it hard and driving in runs that’s all that matters…the homeruns will come if he just focuses on making solid contact…guys get in trouble when they start trying to force the issue to get those totals up.

    ———————————————————————————————————————-

    Rodriguez is getting into the age group where, by the natural progression, he has to make changes in his swing. He’s taking swings, like with the doubles the last couple of games that either set up innings or do damage with them. Like Aaron, Mays and other aging sluggers, if the pitchers make a mistake like Padilla did last night, Rodriguez is going to rip out a row of seats. His line singles and doubles are being hit as hard as the homers. They just aren’t getting the lift. He’s doing a lot of damage with those.

  50. Giuseppe Franco June 26th, 2010 at 2:08 pm

    # Apple byte June 26th, 2010 at 1:56 pm

    Tonight will be a telling outing for A.J. Burnett. If he gives a quality 7-8 innings he’s learned from his recent bad times.

    ———-

    Obviously, you don’t really have any idea what pitching is all about.

    You don’t think Burnett wants to pitch lights out tonight? He wants it more than any of us.

    This is the major leagues. And pitching to major league hitters is just not that easy.

    If he could easily fix the problem, he would have done so four starts ago.

  51. Rick June 26th, 2010 at 2:08 pm

    Any criticism of Dave Eiland is unwarranted. The work he’s done with changing C.C.’s grip last year has paid dividends along with the help he’s given Hughes, Robertson, and some adjustments with Andy.
    It was Nick Swisher that went to the pitching coach last year to seek a better way to get more on his outfield throws by changing his grip on the ball. No more rainbow throws.

  52. m June 26th, 2010 at 2:09 pm

    Girardi has a great staff. The players are always giving them props.

    K-Long has been a great instructor.

  53. mick June 26th, 2010 at 2:09 pm

    Are Arod’s balls not getting the lift due to his hip condition?

  54. Betsy - Hughes rules (pleading the Fifth) June 26th, 2010 at 2:10 pm

    Ray, sorry I don’t agree. Phil’s #s are in line with his career #s? That’s not close to being true as a starter (though I think those #s prior to the season were not reflective of his ability as he was hurt in 2008 and he had one awful start last year). The Yankees absolutely have gotten lucky with him this year; they don’t even think he’s fully developed. You think they expected this from him this year? You almost never agree with me on anything, so I’m not surprised you disagree with me now.

    I know very well about Andy, but if you expected this type of performance, then I want you to tell me the winning lottery numbers in the next Power Ball or whatever because this came out of the blue.

    Yes, I know Cano is in his prime, but I hardly thought he was going to hit .370 this year and be the hitter he was this year.

  55. Apple byte June 26th, 2010 at 2:11 pm

    Obviously, you don’t really have any idea what pitching is all about.

    ~~~~~~~~

    Obviously you’re a pitching guru and should be a roving minor league pitching instructor for some team other than the Yankees.

  56. mick June 26th, 2010 at 2:11 pm

    CC was the mensch last night.
    If he already didn’t have elite team leader status, he sure has it now.

    He called out the coward Padilla and Torre, for that matter, and they quivered away like the cowards they are.

  57. Rich in NJ June 26th, 2010 at 2:12 pm

    “Any criticism of Dave Eiland is unwarranted. The work he’s done with changing C.C.’s grip last year has paid dividends along with the help he’s given Hughes, Robertson, and some adjustments with Andy.”

    Right, CC and Andy didn’t have a ton of success before they worked with Eiland.

    Robertson isn’t even as good as he was last year.

    Hughes is the only young pitcher that has truly developed into a star, but he has always been an all-world talent.

    In contrast, the work Long has done with Cano and Gardner has been tranformative.

  58. Betsy - Hughes rules (pleading the Fifth) June 26th, 2010 at 2:12 pm

    I’m a fan of Eiland, so I hope he returns soon (also, I certainly hope his personal issues get resolved in a positive way).

    Stuckey, these players are good players, but that doesn’t mean we could have expected this. I have always said Phil was a special pitcher and would be an ace, but I never thought he would pitch like this (so far) this year. As to the others, I detailed that in my post responding to Ray.

  59. mick June 26th, 2010 at 2:12 pm

    # mick June 26th, 2010 at 2:09 pm

    Are Arod’s balls not getting the lift due to his hip condition?
    =========================================
    Sorry if that came out wrong or I offended anyone. :)
    Didn’t mean to…

  60. Rich in NJ June 26th, 2010 at 2:14 pm

    Edit: In contrast, the work Long has done with Cano, Gardner, and Swisher has been transformative, and hitting coaches, unlike pitching coaches, are usually quite fungible.

  61. Giuseppe Franco June 26th, 2010 at 2:14 pm

    Obviously you’re a pitching guru and should be a roving minor league pitching instructor for some team other than the Yankees.

    ———–

    Duh, it’s common sense. Not that hard to comprehend.

  62. MTU (aka GBURL) June 26th, 2010 at 2:14 pm

    Mick-

    “Are Arod’s balls not getting the lift due to his hip condition?”

    Perhaps it’s his jockstrap. :)

  63. Rich in NJ June 26th, 2010 at 2:16 pm

    MTU

    TMI

  64. Betsy - Hughes rules (pleading the Fifth) June 26th, 2010 at 2:17 pm

    Rich, why aren’t Joba’s problems on Joba? If he can’t repeat his mechanics (despite what anyone tells him) or if he’s stubborn enough to throw a slider 3-2 in a 7 run game, that’s on him – not Eiland. Robertson had a very good year last year; I don’t know why his struggles earlier are to be blamed on Eiland when every young pitcher goes through that. Melancon? Melancon hasn’t been in Eiland’s hands for several years. I frankly think that he’s just been completely overhyped. I’m not saying he’s not talented, but it’s up to him to perform; the PC can’t do it for him.

    Phil gives Dave a tremendous amount of credit for getting him through the rough patch of 2008 when he’d lost most, if not all, of his confidence. I don’t think it’s quite fair to blame the man for young pitchers gone awry while not giving him credit for kids that find themselves.

  65. mick June 26th, 2010 at 2:17 pm

    Perhaps Ms. Diaz has a say in the matter.

  66. SJ44 June 26th, 2010 at 2:18 pm

    Why is Dave Eiland to blame for Joba and Melancon? He doesn’t even work with Melancon.

    Robertson? He got off to a slow start. It happens. Its like blaming Long for Tex’s slow start.

    When do the players take some responsibility for their own progress or regression?

    The 200 million dollar number is also a misnomer. Most of that money is tied into the Yankees signing their own players like Jeter, Jorge, Arod, Mo, etc.

    A pitching coach’s job is in direct correlation with the progress his staff has made as a whole.

    His job is not just to develop the young guys. He works with everybody.

    He’s made substantial changes to CC and Andy’s game in the past year and its paid off bigtime. Shouldn’t he receive credit for that?

    Each year the staff has gotten better. I’d say that’s a pretty good indicator as to whether or not the pitching coach is doing a good job.

  67. raymagnetic June 26th, 2010 at 2:18 pm

    “$200m enables a team to acquire and keep great talent, so aggregate stats mean nothing in this context.

    It’s about getting players to maximize their talent, particularly young players.

    Joba has regressed. Robertson has been up and down. Melancon has yet to reach his potential.

    So no, that’s not good enough.”

    Teixeira looks TERRIBLE and has looked very bad for a while now. Alex and Jeter also don’t look so hot this year either. So I guess Long is only a semi-genious?

    You’re really blaming an out of shape Joba and a guy who’s been in the majors for all of 2 seconds on Eiland? You’re really nitpicking there guy.

    If improving a pitching staff’s ERA every year is not getting guys to maximize their talents then well I don’t know what is.

  68. jpb1973 June 26th, 2010 at 2:18 pm

    Headline:
    “Sabathia, Rodriguez and Teixeira turning a corner”

    Can someone please show Burnett where that corner is so that he can turn it too?

  69. Betsy - Hughes rules (pleading the Fifth) June 26th, 2010 at 2:19 pm

    GF, couldn’t agree more. If AJ gets bombed, it doesn’t mean he doesn’t care or that he’s garbage. He’s more upset, much more upset, than any of us; of course he wants to go out there and do his job.

  70. pat June 26th, 2010 at 2:19 pm

    m

    1 vic. Occurred months ago but police reports were unearthed by TMZ this week. DNA was positive but lack of proof that force was involved made it a he said/she said so investigation was ended.

  71. m June 26th, 2010 at 2:19 pm

    You have to give Eiland credit for helping Girardi build, foster, and maintain a pretty good bullpen for what’s going on 3 years. Yes, they have Mo. But they’ve had to patch up the bridge to Mo quite a few times.

    So, yes the work and bullpens with the starters is important, but having a pretty good bullpen for a 3rd year under Eiland should also go to his credit.

  72. Bronx Jeers June 26th, 2010 at 2:20 pm

    Watching the Mets – Twins….

    If Carl Pavano grew that mustache out and applied some pomade….he’d look just like Rollie Fingers.

    Currently he looks like Mark Spitz.

    http://www.theonion.com/conten.....-Spitz.jpg

  73. MTU (aka GBURL) June 26th, 2010 at 2:20 pm

    Rich-

    Sorry. I just couldn’t let a line like that go to waste. I know I should have. Definitely going downstairs now. :(

  74. mick June 26th, 2010 at 2:21 pm

    I have a feeling we might see Eiland back at the ASG.

  75. SJ44 June 26th, 2010 at 2:22 pm

    Two years ago, Robbie Cano spent most of the year hitting in the .260′s until a late September run. He regressed. Was that Long’s fault or Robbie’s?

    CC and Andy had success before Eiland. However, they are both better pitchers now having made the adjustments Eiland suggested than they were last year prior to the adjustments.

    Andy is having a career year, at 38 years old, no less!

    How come Eiland gets no credit for that.

    Dave Eiland’s job is not just to develop the young pitchers on the staff. Its to develop the entire pitching staff.

    To single out the guys that are slow to develop, and ignore all the positive work he’s done, seems more like you just not liking the guy for some reason, than his overall job as pitching coach.

  76. m June 26th, 2010 at 2:22 pm

    Joba’s problems begin and end with Joba. He’s a big boy now. No more, “he’s only 22″ excuses.

    pat,

    A few months? If that were Alex it would only last a few minutes! Strange story in that the alleged victim has kept quiet about it….settlement?

  77. Rich in NJ June 26th, 2010 at 2:23 pm

    m

    I will give credit for Girardi/Eiland not over relying on one or two guys and then burying everyone else when they fail in their first or second outing like Torre did. So yeah, there’s that.

  78. Betsy - Hughes rules (pleading the Fifth) June 26th, 2010 at 2:23 pm

    On other boards I go to, Eiland is looked at by many as someone who has ruined Joba and ruined Phil…………temporarily at least. One person actually blamed Eiland for Phil’s rib injury, stating that he changed Phil’s mechanics in 2007 which led to that injury. I was dumbfounded – his issues in 2007 couldn’t possibly have had anything to do with those darn leg and ankle injuries. The rib thing had to have been a fluke – and, by the way, Phil got off to a GREAT start in ST in 2008, so obviously his mechanics were fine then. Then again, there seems to be a world of controversy over Phil’s mechanics, his velocity, etc………….unbelievable, lol.

  79. raymagnetic June 26th, 2010 at 2:23 pm

    “Ray, sorry I don’t agree. Phil’s #s are in line with his career #s? That’s not close to being true as a starter (though I think those #s prior to the season were not reflective of his ability as he was hurt in 2008 and he had one awful start last year). The Yankees absolutely have gotten lucky with him this year; they don’t even think he’s fully developed. You think they expected this from him this year? You almost never agree with me on anything, so I’m not surprised you disagree with me now.”

    Phil’s numbers as in his hits per nine, walks per nine are in line with what he’s done when he hasn’t been injured.

    In 2007 Phil was league average as a 21 year old STARTER. If he doesn’t get injured in 2008 he likely improves on those numbers. It’s not about getting lucky. It’s about him finally not being injured again.

    I certainly do think they expected it from him this year because that’s why they named him and not Joba as the starter.

    I’m not disagreeing with you just to be disagreeable. I’m saying it’s not luck involved with any of those guys. It’s about the team playing like a team.

  80. Rich in NJ June 26th, 2010 at 2:25 pm

    “Andy is having a career year, at 38 years old, no less!

    How come Eiland gets no credit for that.”

    Andy’s ERA+ is 165, but it was 177 in 2005 (156 in 1997). So he’s had tremendous success before.

  81. Rich in NJ June 26th, 2010 at 2:26 pm

    “To single out the guys that are slow to develop, and ignore all the positive work he’s done, seems more like you just not liking the guy for some reason, than his overall job as pitching coach.”

    My point is that he isn’t as good a pitching coach as Long is a hitting coach, and there is no reason not to try to get someone as good.

  82. m June 26th, 2010 at 2:27 pm

    Rich in NJ,

    I’ll take that!

    Go, USA! Americans love a winner. A win today would really help the game in the US.

  83. Betsy - Hughes rules (pleading the Fifth) June 26th, 2010 at 2:27 pm

    That said, however fans feel about Eiland, he’s highly regarded in baseball – and certainly by the Yankees.

  84. pat June 26th, 2010 at 2:30 pm

    m

    She was his neighbor and prefers to remain Jane Doe.

    http://www.nydailynews.com/spo.....na26s.html

  85. Betsy - Hughes rules (pleading the Fifth) June 26th, 2010 at 2:31 pm

    Ray, now that I agree with. You’re right about Phil in 2007 – and that’s with him recovering from his leg injuries. He was hard to hit then and he’s hard to hit now. Even in 2008 he came back and dueled AJ to a draw in Toronto – and in 2009, in spurts, he was dominant. Fortunately he has remained healthy. When I say the Yankees didn’t expect this from him, I say it because they don’t think he’s fully developed. I suspect they think he would have been good, but this good?

  86. SJ44 June 26th, 2010 at 2:32 pm

    Rich,

    For a guy like Andy to be doing this at 38, and after elbow surgery, (which wasn’t the case in 2005 or 1997) its a career year, stats not withstanding.

    He’s one of the five best pitching coaches in baseball and his success is three years shows that.

    Unless his family situation is more than known, they have no reason to replace him and they won’t be doing so.

    The guy has done a great job here. The success of the staff backs that up.

  87. raymagnetic June 26th, 2010 at 2:32 pm

    “My point is that he isn’t as good a pitching coach as Long is a hitting coach, and there is no reason not to try to get someone as good.”

    How are you quantifying this? The numbers certainly don’t suggest that’s what the case is.

    Are you basing everything on Joba and Robertson? Melancon shouldn’t count cause he hasn’t been up long enough to be in the discussion.

    Saying he’s not as good as Long really doesn’t help because there’s no proof to back up your assertion.

  88. Betsy - Hughes rules (pleading the Fifth) June 26th, 2010 at 2:33 pm

    Anyway, that’s semantics. It was clear in ST that they thought they made the right move with Phil and had every confidence in the world that he’d be good.

    Maybe instead of using the word luck, I should just say that the Yankees will need their big guns to get and stay hot…..

  89. Betsy - Hughes rules (pleading the Fifth) June 26th, 2010 at 2:35 pm

    I still get a kick out of the fact that Eiland used to pitch for the Yankees (granted, not well, lol). When was this – the early 90′s?

  90. Bronx Jeers June 26th, 2010 at 2:38 pm

    4-0 Ghana…bottom of the 1st.

    Defensive miscue led to several unearned runs.

  91. LGY June 26th, 2010 at 2:40 pm

    Disgustingly selfish play thus far from Ricardo Clark.

    Taking on a guy in your own midfield and then taking out your frustration basically the very next play to earn a yellow card.

    Awful.

  92. MTU (aka GBURL) June 26th, 2010 at 2:40 pm

    Betsy-

    Dave Eiland had TJ surgery twice.

  93. MTU (aka GBURL) June 26th, 2010 at 2:41 pm

    SJ-

    If Eiland should not return would Scott Aldred be his logical replacement ?

  94. GreenBeret7 June 26th, 2010 at 2:45 pm

    Eiland might have been a decent long man in the pen or a #5 type starter for those Yankee teams, but, never had much of a chance. Two Tommy John surgeries wrecked his career.

    Little tidbits. Eiland is the only pitcher in history to give up a home run to the first MLB batter he faced and hit a home run in his first MLB at bat.

    He was Kevin Costner’s body double in “For The Love Of The game”.

  95. Betsy - Hughes rules (pleading the Fifth) June 26th, 2010 at 2:45 pm

    MTU, he did? I didn’t know that- or, at least, I didn’t remember it.

  96. Betsy - Hughes rules (pleading the Fifth) June 26th, 2010 at 2:47 pm

    GB, that’s a cool stat, lol.

  97. SJ44 June 26th, 2010 at 2:47 pm

    MTU,

    I’m hearing Eiland is going to come back. Nobody I know will say why he left. That part of it is a very tightly guarded secret. As it should be because its a personal matter. If he doesn’t return, than yes, I believe Aldred should be the pitching coach.

    Mike Harkey is in a tough spot. A bullpen coach’s responsibility is different than a pitching coach’s. He’s working at a bit of a disadvantage.

    However, he’s probably Joe Girardi’s closest friend in baseball so, Joe is going to protect him and do right by him.

    If we get to the ASB and Eiland isn’t yet back, it will be interesting to see what they do.

  98. MTU (aka GBURL) June 26th, 2010 at 2:48 pm

    GB-

    I wouldn’t want to face you in a game of “Trivial Pursuit”. :)

  99. MTU (aka GBURL) June 26th, 2010 at 2:51 pm

    SJ-

    Thanks. I was just speculating. If the Yankees want Eiland back, which they do, then I hope he comes back.

    It is good, and probably required, that they keep his personal matters confidential.

    I have heard only good things about Aldred.

  100. Rico June 26th, 2010 at 2:53 pm

    MTU ;

    Scott Aldred seems to be highly regarded by the organizational brass but hopefully Eiland will return sooner than later. It’s good to know that somebody like Aldred could step in if necessary.

  101. whatever June 26th, 2010 at 2:54 pm

    Grandy Gunderson better star hitting, THIS IS RIDICULUS.. he actually makes me miss Randy Winn.

  102. MTU (aka GBURL) June 26th, 2010 at 2:54 pm

    GB/SJ-

    I posed this question earlier and you both probably did not see it.

    Do either of you have a comment about Norton ?

    I have heard there is some buzz about him.

    I know about the return from shoulder surgery and all, and was wondering about his stuff, and wether he might be able to contribute to the ML BP @ some point this season ?

  103. Betsy - Hughes rules (pleading the Fifth) June 26th, 2010 at 2:56 pm

    Harkey apparently answered a question with regards to what he tells his pitchers by saying he just tells them to do their best (or something like that) and apparently that got sort of a stunned reaction from the media. Poor guy – he’s clearly not a pitching coach. That said, the pitching aside from AJ has pretty much been fine, so he’s doing nothing wrong.

    I hope Eiland comes back, but I haven’t spent any time wondering about it because it’s none of my business.

  104. MTU (aka GBURL) June 26th, 2010 at 2:56 pm

    Rico-

    Thanks for the feedback and you’re absolutely right that it is a good thing that the Yankees even have depth in that department. :)

  105. GreenBeret7 June 26th, 2010 at 2:57 pm

    whatever June 26th, 2010 at 2:54 pm
    Grandy Gunderson better star hitting, THIS IS RIDICULUS.. he actually makes me miss Randy Winn.

    ———————————————————————————————————————-

    His hitting is better than your ability to post something sensible or spell. As for trolling ability, you need to be sent to a half season rookie league. You’re just not ready for prime time trolling.

  106. Betsy - Hughes rules (pleading the Fifth) June 26th, 2010 at 2:58 pm

    Maybe it comes to the point where they just give Eiland the rest of the year off………..

    I didn’t see it, but apparently Carlos Zambrano just freaked out on his team yesterday. I’m reading about it now and he yelled at Derrick Lee for not snagging a ground double to lead off the game and also at another player for not catching a foul ball. He basically said that if his team wasn’t going to play for him, he wasn’t going to play for the team. I’m looking at a picture now of him yelling at Lou and Alan Trammel -wow. This guy is a total nutcase and I don’t know how, if I were one of his teammates, I could stand to be in the same clubhouse with him.

  107. jpb1973 June 26th, 2010 at 2:58 pm

    Mets are struggling against Cy Pavano. Its a shame that Pavano couldn’t have stayed healthy from 2005-2008.

  108. MTU (aka GBURL) June 26th, 2010 at 3:00 pm

    Betsy-

    It’s either “Roid Rage”, or the guy in nuttier than a Venezuelan Papaya.

    Probably the latter. :)

  109. MTU (aka GBURL) June 26th, 2010 at 3:01 pm

    “Is” not “in”. Typo. sorry.

  110. Betsy - Hughes rules (pleading the Fifth) June 26th, 2010 at 3:02 pm

    MTU, this guy has a history. I believe he once attacked his own teammate – Michael Barrett – a few years ago. It’s a shame as he was once very good. LOL The article I read was pondering ways to get rid of him, like trading him to a team that wants to get rid of a bad contract, and they mentioned Kei Igawa. Yeah, the Yankees really want to take on a Zambrano……..I don’t think so.

  111. GreenBeret7 June 26th, 2010 at 3:03 pm

    MTU (aka GBURL) June 26th, 2010 at 2:54 pm
    GB/SJ-

    I posed this question earlier and you both probably did not see it.

    Do either of you have a comment about Norton ?

    I have heard there is some buzz about him.

    I know about the return from shoulder surgery and all, and was wondering about his stuff, and wether he might be able to contribute to the ML BP @ some point this season ?

    ———————————————————————————————————————-

    He’s been through three levels so far this season and throwing hard with control. He just needs innings. (High A tampa, AAA Scranton and AA Trenton). Not much sense in adding him to the 40 man roster until he gets some innings under his belt. He’s only had just over 27 innings so far. Just 5 walks and 41 strikeouts, though.

  112. Frank & Beans Lets Beat TORRE down June 26th, 2010 at 3:05 pm

    With Derek Jeter Turning 36 (June 26, 1974) today it reminds me of his debut as a Yankee. May 29 1995. The Yankees lost to the Mariners 8-7, the very next day I was moving to Los Angeles and not coming back. (I was back sooner than I thought)

    The lineup that day has some players you would remember if you were a Yankees fan prior to 96. Black Jack was the starting pitcher but it was the bullpen that lost the game. Jeter went 0-5 with a strikeout.

    Luis Polonia LF
    Wade Boggs 3B
    Paul O’Neill RF
    Mike Stanley C
    Don Mattingly 1B
    Dion James DH
    Randy Velarde 2B
    Bernie Williams CF
    Derek Jeter SS

    It was not to the very next day that Jete got his first Career hit and he went 2-3 with a walk and two runs scored.

    Now at the tender age of 36 Derek starts his birth day with 2834 hits sitting 44th place in all time hits list, ranks 40th all time in runs scored and a career 316 batting avg. 10 All Star Games played, 4 silver slugger awards, 4 gold gloves, add a rookie of the Year and 5 World Series rings. I would say he has been one of the top 10 Yankees of all time.

    While DJ is still on this team we should enjoy him and enjoy every year that he is a Yankee.

    http://yankeesvoice.blogspot.c.....h-day.html

  113. MTU (aka GBURL) June 26th, 2010 at 3:05 pm

    GB-

    Thanks. Anything on his repetoire ?

  114. GreenBeret7 June 26th, 2010 at 3:05 pm

    MTU (aka GBURL) June 26th, 2010 at 3:01 pm
    “Is” not “in”. Typo. sorry.

    ———————————————————————————————————————-

    You’d better watch those “typos”. I have a new spell checker on the computer and I’m watching for that sort of stuff.

  115. Sixto Lezcano June 26th, 2010 at 3:05 pm

    Hey Green Beret–don’t be so nasty and condescending. Regardless of how insulting you are, whatever makes a valid point about Granderson. Stop smelling curtis’s shorts.

  116. MTU (aka GBURL) June 26th, 2010 at 3:07 pm

    GB-

    So that’s how you’re doin’ it ? I should have known.

    At least I no longer have to fear “Killer” coming after me. :)

  117. m June 26th, 2010 at 3:11 pm

    pat,

    Just read that. Wow.

    I’m just wondering what “met” means. Like ran into? Or designated a time and a place. Kind of sounds like the latter, no?

    Yowza. Crazy. These people should just stay home. Or if you want to go on a stroll, go with your wife!

  118. Look at the back of my baseball card June 26th, 2010 at 3:13 pm

    I guess Pavano doesn’t get hurt anymore now that he is off the Yankees. Guy should be arrested for the money he stole from the Yanks

  119. SJ44 June 26th, 2010 at 3:13 pm

    Guess you missed the other night when Granderson won the AZ game with a HR.

    Whatever is a Gulf Coast League level troll. Well away from the big leagues of trolling.

  120. GreenBeret7 June 26th, 2010 at 3:18 pm

    MTU (aka GBURL) June 26th, 2010 at 3:05 pm
    GB-

    Thanks. Anything on his repetoire ?

    ———————————————————————————————————————-

    Haven’t seen him pitch, though he did pitch in Charleston, but only 5 games. Don’t know much about him other than he throws hard, very hard and damned hard. Just watched a short clip on him. Very Rich Gossage like in the delivery.

  121. Betsy - Hughes rules (pleading the Fifth) June 26th, 2010 at 3:18 pm

    Yep, I don’t see how this kid has a future in trolling….he’s just not that talented.

  122. MTU (aka GBURL) June 26th, 2010 at 3:21 pm

    GB-

    Thanks. That’s a fast, faster, fastest answer. :)

  123. GreenBeret7 June 26th, 2010 at 3:25 pm

    Looks like the steroids are wearing off for Johann santana and albert Pujols. If not for that 5 game stretch when Pujols hit 5 homers and 13 RBI, his numbers wouldn’t match Rodriguez. He’s now hitting .303

  124. Betsy Was Philly Phitins June 26th, 2010 at 3:28 pm

    Betsy – Hughes rules (pleading the Fifth) June 26th, 2010 at 3:18 pm
    Yep, I don’t see how this kid has a future in trolling….he’s just not that talented

    And you my dear know a thing or two about trolling. C’mon, bring back Phitins, Betsy!

  125. RMS June 26th, 2010 at 3:28 pm

    Zambrano is a nut case. Cubs can’t get rid of him, big contract.

  126. Frank & Beans Lets Beat TORRE down June 26th, 2010 at 3:30 pm

    GreenBeret7 June 26th, 2010 at 3:25 pm
    Looks like the steroids are wearing off for Johann santana and albert Pujols. If not for that 5 game stretch when Pujols hit 5 homers and 13 RBI, his numbers wouldn’t match Rodriguez. He’s now hitting .303
    ____________________________________

    You are 100% correct.

  127. Truth June 26th, 2010 at 3:31 pm

    “Looks like the steroids are wearing off for Johann santana and albert Pujols.”

    Not nice. Where is your proof?

  128. Frank & Beans Lets Beat TORRE down June 26th, 2010 at 3:31 pm

    RMS June 26th, 2010 at 3:28 pm
    Zambrano is a nut case. Cubs can’t get rid of him, big contract.
    ____________________________________________________

    Yup im happy that trade people were talking about never took place.

  129. GreenBeret7 June 26th, 2010 at 3:33 pm

    Where’s your proof that they didn’t?

  130. Betsy Was Philly Phitins June 26th, 2010 at 3:37 pm

    Where’s your proof that Betsy wasn’t Phitins, old man?

  131. Truth June 26th, 2010 at 3:38 pm

    “Where’s your proof that they didn’t?”

    You shouldn’t make accusations without proof.
    If they were Yankees you wouldn’t say a word.

  132. Giuseppe Franco June 26th, 2010 at 3:41 pm

    Speaking of Phitins, it’s funny how we haven’t seen much of him lately.

    The Yanks increasing their 1st Place lead while the Phillies continuing to sink might have something to do with it.

    It doesn’t get much more annoying than that fool.

  133. NumberOnePositivePosterInTheUniverse June 26th, 2010 at 3:41 pm

    Betsy, I agree again with you , I wouldn’t trade Zambrano’s contract for Igawa’s. I even forgot Igawa was on the team, but not you, Betsy, you have a great memory. Have you come to any conclusions on what’s AJ’s problem?

  134. Betsy Was Philly Phitins June 26th, 2010 at 3:44 pm

    Betsy & Phitins cannot exist in the same place at the same time. Kinda like Clark Kent/Superman of the trolling world.

  135. Giuseppe Franco June 26th, 2010 at 3:45 pm

    Igawa’s contract is almost done. Zambrano has $45M left on his.

    I don’t think he’ll be with the Cubs organization too much longer.

  136. mick June 26th, 2010 at 3:45 pm

    GF

    I get the feeling there are only a few imposters who have many multiple personalities.
    One of which I think we know who he is, and won’t mention name to encourage his dementia.

  137. NumberOnePositivePosterInTheUniverse June 26th, 2010 at 3:45 pm

    Fake Betsy, why don’t you leave (da really, realz) Betsy alone, why so much hate for her? And, seriously, go out to Penn’s Landing and jump in the water or something. I have yet to see Betsy treat anyone disrespectfully.

    Betsy, see that? I told him, right? And why would you be from Philly?

  138. Rico June 26th, 2010 at 3:45 pm

    Can’t wait until interleague play is finished. For the sklillset he has, it would be good to see Colin Curtis get at bats for something other than pinch hitting roles. Maybe some time as a DH or occasional spot start to rest Granderson or Gardner.

  139. GreenBeret7 June 26th, 2010 at 3:45 pm

    Looks like the board tulips are blooming early today. Time for LoHud to take out the garbage again.

  140. Betsy Was Philly Phitins June 26th, 2010 at 3:47 pm

    I just want her to bring Phitins back, he was fun!

  141. NumberOnePositivePosterInTheUniverse June 26th, 2010 at 3:47 pm

    Let’s go USA!

  142. mick June 26th, 2010 at 3:47 pm

    Betsy & Phitins cannot exist in the same place at the same time. Kinda like Clark Kent/Superman of the trolling world.
    ========================Again with the Superman reference.
    Last night your other namesake used one.
    Busted.

  143. NumberOnePositivePosterInTheUniverse June 26th, 2010 at 3:48 pm

    YES USA!!!!

  144. Rico June 26th, 2010 at 3:48 pm

    make that * skillset * or call the typo cops.

  145. Betsy Was Philly Phitins June 26th, 2010 at 3:49 pm

    Ok, Bruce Wayne/Batman??

  146. NumberOnePositivePosterInTheUniverse June 26th, 2010 at 3:51 pm

    mick, what are you talking about? I made an incorrect Superman reference, so that should tell you I know very little about it.

    This soccer game is awesome. Let’s go USA!!!

  147. mick June 26th, 2010 at 3:51 pm

    Everyone go away and let the 2 morons talk to each other.
    Oh, that would be impossible as they are one and the same.
    Better yet let him take over the board and talk to himself.
    What fun!

  148. SJ44 June 26th, 2010 at 4:01 pm

    It says nothing of it since this was a scheduled day off for Posada.

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