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Postgame notes: Trying to get more out of him

Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Notes, Podcast on Jun 27, 2010 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

Yankees Dodgers BaseballJoe Girardi acknowledged that — with a lefty on deck and a lefty loose in the bullpen — it’s entirely “possible” he would have pulled A.J. Burnett in the third inning had he not induced a double play that let him intentionally walk a batter to face the pitcher. Had that Russell Martin at-bat ended differently, Burnett might have been done after six or seven outs.

Instead he stayed in, and a half inning later — with one out and runners on the corners — Girardi decided to once again stick with Burnett. For me, it was the most perplexing moment of the night. Needing only a sac fly to tie the game, Burnett was not lifted for a pinch hitter. He laid down a sacrifice bunt that moved a runner to second, and Derek Jeter struck out to end the inning.

“We were trying to get more out of (Burnett),” Girardi said. “Depending on what the situation was, we might have pinch-hit. The situation was I could sacrifice a runner over. Jeet had a hit the last time and had pretty good at-bats.”

Getting more out of Burnett meant facing two batters in the bottom of the fourth, each of whom reached base and one of whom scored.

“I had unbelievable stuff today,” Burnett said. “I had velocity. I had movement. I had a good hook. I got some broken bats early, but that third inning, I was overdoing it out there… “I know I’m better than that. We all know I’m better than that. And I will be better than that.”

Here’s Girardi’s postgame interview.

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Yankees Dodgers Baseball• Pinch hitting for Curtis Granderson was strictly because of the match-up. Granderson is not hurt.

• If you missed it during the game, Chad Moeller has cleared waivers and accepted an assignment to Triple-A Scranton/Wilkes-Barre. He’s filling the roster spot opened by Juan Miranda going on the DL.

• Girardi said he has no intention of skipping Burnett’s next start. He doesn’t think it would help him because this is all about execution, not about needing his stuff to get better. “I don’t want to skip A.J.,” Girardi said. “I want A.J. to go out there and pitch, and pitch like he’s capable.”

• Burnett talked a lot about how much the other Yankees have been talking to him through this bad month. Andy Pettitte and Francisco Cervelli both pulled him aside after tonight’s game. “I’m with him,” Cervelli said. “If he loses, I lose too.”

• The Dodgers 10 walks tonight were a season high. Not exactly the stat you want to be giving up.

• The Yankees fell to 30-6 when scoring first. That’s the best in the American League.

• Dave Robertson has allowed one run through 8.1 innings this month. He’s struck out nine and walked three and allowed seven hits. He hasn’t allowed a home run since May 5.

• Birthday boy Derek Jeter went 1-for-4 with a walk and two runs scored, but he also struck out in his last three at-bats.

• Mark Teixeira has an eight-game hitting streak, he’s hit three home runs in the past seven games and he’s raised his average 19 points since June 6.

Associated Press photos of Burnett with Mike Harkey, and Teixeira with Jeter.

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244 Responses to “Postgame notes: Trying to get more out of him”

  1. GreenBeret7 June 27th, 2010 at 12:54 am

    The Red Sox continue to corner the market on all of the great outfield talent in baseball. They’ve acquired Eric Patterson

  2. Wang IS Taiwan June 27th, 2010 at 12:54 am

    Torre sat down Mussina when he stunk. What’s so special about AJ that he can’t be skipped until he figures out where to throw the ball? Who knows if Eiland would be helping if he were here, but Girardi’s not by leaving him when he’s completely out of control. Is our long guy out (Sergio)?

    AJ just an exercise in frustration right now. I’m sure the team is feeling it, too.

  3. Kevin June 27th, 2010 at 12:59 am

    ““I had unbelievable stuff today,” Burnett said. “I had velocity. I had movement. I had a good hook. ”

    I thought Ian Kennedy was pitching in Tampa today?

  4. XFactor June 27th, 2010 at 1:01 am

    Girardi giving AJ preferential treatment. Javy was not as bad and got skipped TWICE, including once after a dominant outing against the Tigers!!!

  5. Donnie - Will Meet Manny Under the O'Neill Banner June 27th, 2010 at 1:06 am

    DAMN YOU, KEVIN. I WANTED TO MAKE THE IAN KENNEDY JOKE. >: (

    That said…yeah. AJ’s delusional. His velocity and movement may have been there, but when it’s moving out of the strike zone, and you have no friggin’ idea where it’s going, and you walk 6 guys in 3 innings…no. You don’t have “unbelievable stuff”.

  6. GreenBeret7 June 27th, 2010 at 1:07 am

    Kevin June 27th, 2010 at 12:59 am
    ““I had unbelievable stuff today,” Burnett said. “I had velocity. I had movement. I had a good hook. ”

    I thought Ian Kennedy was pitching in Tampa today?

    ———————————————————————————————————————-

    So, of course, you take that as Burnett making excuses and denying that a problem exists?

    read the last part of what he said, instead of cherry picking parts that suit you.

    “but that third inning, I was overdoing it out there… “I know I’m better than that. We all know I’m better than that. And I will be better than that.”

  7. m June 27th, 2010 at 1:07 am

    matt,

    Jesus. I’ve gone out of my way to be nice to you. It’s getting increasing more difficult.

    But, anyway.

    It is the year of the pitcher despite what your little numbers tell you. It’s the story. Not hitting, not Joe Mauer, not Albert Pujols, and certainly not A-rod. Pitching. I’m sure the same fingers you used to find those avgs. comparing last year to this year can help you find the number of no-hitters/perfectos there have been this year. That’s the story, not those numbers.

    And you want consistency? That seems pretty elusive in baseball. Every year the Yankees have hot streaks and droughts. They’re not different than any other team. That’s the nature of the game, and what makes it maddening and enjoyable at the same time.

    The record is all that matters. We’re the best in baseball, which means we’re leading the division.

    Record trumps consistency every time.

  8. Betsy - Hughes rules (pleading the Fifth) June 27th, 2010 at 1:10 am

    So then they skipped Javy because his stuff wasn’t good?

  9. KPB June 27th, 2010 at 1:10 am

    Donnie

    I have to disagree with you about him not having unbelievable stuff. With his talent I can’t believe what I’ve been seeing.

  10. KPB June 27th, 2010 at 1:12 am

    GB7

    On a serious note what causes him to pitch that way?

  11. Jim June 27th, 2010 at 1:13 am

    Javy’s stuff is virtually the same as it was earlier. He still isin’t hitting more than 91, 92.

    This is nothing more than giving AJ preferential treatment because he is one of Girardi’s guys. Wonder how Javy feels… Burnett pitches worse than he does, yet he doesn’t get skipped.

    Unless the Yanks bought into the theory that Vazquez had a fragile psyche and needed to be coddled by making him avoid good teams to get his confidence back.

  12. Striker June 27th, 2010 at 1:13 am

    Burnett – 100 dollar arm
    10 cent head

  13. m June 27th, 2010 at 1:15 am

    Girardi held off skipping Javy for a long time, too. So, it’s not like Girardi didn’t give Javy the opportunity to work things out.

  14. Rolex June 27th, 2010 at 1:16 am

    # AIR JORDAN June 27th, 2010 at 12:37 am

    A big problem is the lack of big innings, thats why we can’t win in a Burnett start.

    The team plays for a big inning, but get nothing. They usually get a couple of guys on base but don’t drive them in.

    We’re not the type of team to chip away. If we’re going to come back from a 3,4,5 run deficit, we’re going to score a bunch of runs in 1 inning to get us very close or take the lead.

    I think that is the problem though. Swisher today was thinking “tie game” when he was AB. Not let me get on base for Gardner. They need to be more patient and learn how to chip away and steal it at the end, rather than try to get it all back at once and end up getting nothing and then have no shot when the bullpen puts it out of reach. Or wait till the closer comes in. We’re not scoring 4 runs off K-Rod or Broxton or any closer.

    Look at the Arizona game. We were down 1 vs. Heilman, so it worked out well. Pressure was all on him, and we were patient because we knew a walk was the go-ahead run. If we were down 3, it is a different story.

    ———————–

    Saw this post on the previous thread, couldn’t agree more. That is the problem with the offense when they are behind, they try and get it all back at once. Then they have a cosmetic rally in the 9th that comes up short. Gee… any shock that good closers are not going to give up 2-4 runs? It happens once in a blue moon.

  15. Mike June 27th, 2010 at 1:18 am

    Vazquez had 5 starts before he was skipped. And in those 5 starts, only 3 of them were bad anyway. He had 2 mediocre starts in the middle.

    This is Burnett’s 5th straight loss.

    So Vazquez’ 6th start was skipped
    Burnett is not getting that same treatment in his 6th start despite having worse numbers and giving less innings than Vazquez did. At least Vazquez pitched into the 6th inning in 3 of his starts.

  16. GreenBeret7 June 27th, 2010 at 1:21 am

    Burnett’s problems are the same as it’s always been. a very complicated motion and that means a lot of moving parts. He’s tried correcting it. Some times, he’s got…some times, he doesn’t.

    In 2008, his numbers were nearly identical to this years after 15 starts. They got uglier after 16 starts. He had probably his career year in 2008. After 13 starts last year, they were the same as this years after 13 starts. He goy better after that. That’s his pattern.

  17. m June 27th, 2010 at 1:27 am

    We’re 18 games over .500 and we’ve played 22 three or four game series. Anyone want to take a guess at our record in those 22 series?

    How’s this for suck? You have Cliff Lee and Felix Hernandez in your rotation. You’re 12 games under .500, and you’re 14 games back in the division.

  18. KPB June 27th, 2010 at 1:29 am

    GB7

    Thanks.
    So basically it’s just so many parts going at once. everything has to be perfect or it will be like what we’ve been seeing (right?)

  19. m June 27th, 2010 at 1:29 am

    I agree in general about the superhero approach at the plate.

    But we’ve rallied against K-rod (with a little help), Papelbon, Nathan, Lidge, and on and on. A late rally is better than no rally.

  20. Donnie - Will Meet Manny Under the O'Neill Banner June 27th, 2010 at 1:31 am

    GreenBeret7,

    While I see what you’re saying, the difference here is that the first month and a half of the season, AJ was dominant. He was 5-1 with an ERA right around 2.00. He was overwhelming every team he faced, and looked well on his way to an All-Star bid. Then, in the last probably 8 of 10 starts, he’s been unwatchable. He doesn’t know where the ball’s going, and while he might FEEL like he’s got “unbelievable stuff”, the results say something very, very different.

    Last year, he’d alternate good start, bad start. He’d take two steps forward, then two steps back, until finally turning it on at the end. At no point last year did he ever have a string of thoroughly wretched starts like this.

    So while the end results might be somewhere around the same point, the means by which that end is achieved are very, VERY different. Last year was acceptable, because at least we thought we had a chance with him going out there. This year, he has been mired in a very sustained level of suck for a very, VERY long time.

  21. GreenBeret7 June 27th, 2010 at 1:32 am

    That’s it. Nothing is wrong except his mechanics. No health issues. History is always having an ugly string of games followed by a longer string of outstanding piyching.

  22. GreenBeret7 June 27th, 2010 at 1:36 am

    Donnie, when I’m trying to explain something (making a point), I try not to exaggerrate the facts. It’s more effective. It’s been 5 starts, not 8-10.

  23. m June 27th, 2010 at 1:36 am

    On a side note, AJ must be hurting inside. His grandfather passed away yesterday.

  24. raymagnetic June 27th, 2010 at 1:37 am

    He’s delusional if he really thinks he had unbelievable stuff.

    He was getting hammered from the first inning and he thinks he had unbelievable stuff :???:

    surely he’s jestering

  25. Jim June 27th, 2010 at 1:39 am

    “But we’ve rallied against K-rod (with a little help), Papelbon, Nathan, Lidge, and on and on. A late rally is better than no rally.”

    In 2009.

    This year we’ve rallied against Papelbon and thats it

    and I guess you can count the Arizona game as a rally (Heilman and Rosa)

  26. SAS June 27th, 2010 at 1:39 am

    From my point of view, the pitching problems do have something to do with Eiland’s absence. It is downright bizarre that he has missed so much time if his health is fine. I think his return would help not only AJ, but the bullpen who have faith in him.

    It also seems that when the Yankees lose this year; they lose big time. There have been none or very few walk offs that were so exciting last year. Therefore, we as fans, lose our prospective on how well the Yankees are actually doing.

    I do miss not having a good DH. Whether Nick Johnson could have been that man or not, we will never know. Also, the bench is weak offensively so when we play the NL, it is very obvious.

    I know the Yankees can and I hope will win this year, but days like today are frustrating. I do remember turning off lots of games in the last few years which I am doing less of now because of the blog, and not wanting to feel like a blithering if I post.

    In the long run, I think we will win out.

  27. Yankee LI June 27th, 2010 at 1:39 am

    lol

    That is an Ian Kennedy quote

    Yeah. his stuff was so good that the slumping Dodgers who can’t score runs tattooed him

  28. dan l June 27th, 2010 at 1:41 am

    “He’s delusional if he really thinks he had unbelievable stuff.

    He was getting hammered from the first inning and he thinks he had unbelievable stuff :???:

    surely he’s jestering”

    lmao so true

  29. GreenBeret7 June 27th, 2010 at 1:42 am

    I don’t know anything about what going on in players’ lives. I try avoiding personal things that are none of my business and aren’t game related. was unaware of the family issues.

  30. Gator June 27th, 2010 at 1:43 am

    Speaking of Ian Kennedy, he pitched today against the Rays

    Wasn’t nearly as successful as Edwin Jackson :?

  31. Soldier June 27th, 2010 at 1:44 am

    Didn’t Whitey Herzog pitch his best pitcher 3 innings in mop up relief?

  32. Betsy - Hughes rules (pleading the Fifth) June 27th, 2010 at 1:48 am

    SAS, how is it bizarre? He has a family issue that is obviously pressing – and the Yankees don’t think it’s vital that he return right away. I would guess that if he’s not back by the All-Star break, that they might tell him to just stay home this year – and bring up Aldred.

    That said, none of the other pitchers are having issues, so this is all on AJ. I don’t know what to make of that quote – there’s no way he had unbelievable stuff. I figure the guy is just so lost right now that he’s not sure what to say.

  33. Betsy - Hughes rules (pleading the Fifth) June 27th, 2010 at 1:49 am

    I do think this team needs a regular DH. The bench needs improving and so does the pen………sounds rough, but since we have the best record in baseball, all other teams are flawed more than the Yankees are.

  34. KPB June 27th, 2010 at 1:51 am

    Early in the game they were talking about the side of the rubber he was pitching from.
    What is the difference?

  35. Stray June 27th, 2010 at 1:52 am

    Nick Johnson and Aceves will be back sometime next month, that fills our DH and bullpen spot

  36. m June 27th, 2010 at 1:54 am

    Not that anyone cares, but the Yankees are 17-5 in those series. Not bad. :P

  37. Ythan June 27th, 2010 at 1:54 am

    For all the criticism of the acquisitions of Granderson and Johnson, what were they supposed to do? Found some interesting stats at Pro Baeball Ref. To summarize:

    Cashman would have been killed for resigning Matsui with the numbers he has this year.

    Damon’s numbers are worse than last year too, and other than HR his other stats last year were better on the road than home, so you can attribute it to ballpark (Matsui btw had better stats incl HR away than at home). When you factor in defense, his asking price and a 2011 bid for Carl Crawford, he had to go.

    Remember when Austin Jackson was leading the AL with a .364 batting avg in April? Well in May that dropped to .297 and this month it’s .203. And as bad as Granderson is against lefties, Jackson has been just as bad with a .181 avg vs LHP. Looks like the bloom is off that rose.

    If anyone wants to criticize the Yankees offseason moves you need to at least state the alternatives. Maybe NJ and Granderson don’t work out, but the thought process behind the moves was sound. At worst NJ would be a 1 year mistake, and Granderson would be a (relatively) cheap useful player that you might have to sit against the occasional lefty starter. Letting Matsui and Damon go will also pay dividends in this coming year’s free agent market.

  38. KPB June 27th, 2010 at 1:55 am

    m

    I’ll take 17-5 every time.

  39. Y 27 June 27th, 2010 at 1:57 am

    That’s funny

    If he had plus velocity, plus movement and a plus hook, he would have thrown 7 shutout innings.

    He gave up 12 baserunners in 3 innings

  40. SAS June 27th, 2010 at 1:57 am

    Betsy,

    I never said no other pitchers were having problems. I specifically mentioned the bullpen.

    I could never have pitched the day after my grandfather died so I give him credit for trying.

    When you have a job, you have the obligation to be there. When a family member is ill or other problems rear their ugly heads, you are given a day or 2 to straighten them out. Eiland has been gone almost a month. That is a long time for a ‘well person’. I only hope his wife and children are fine. I do not wish this man ill in any way.

  41. pat June 27th, 2010 at 2:01 am

    Our little Robbie is growing up

    http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/ne.....cano062610

  42. Emo June 27th, 2010 at 2:01 am

    “I could never have pitched the day after my grandfather died so I give him credit for trying.”

    He probably should have asked out of starting the game and let Gaudin start. No one would have blamed him.

  43. Betsy - Hughes rules (pleading the Fifth) June 27th, 2010 at 2:01 am

    I disagree, SAS – people take leaves from their jobs all the time. The Yankees are not going to force him to be at his job when he’s obviously got serious issues with his family. I hope you weren’t implying that I implied you wished him ill.

  44. m June 27th, 2010 at 2:04 am

    I’m not trying to dig up what’s happening in eiland’s life but fox mentioned that he’s on bereavement leave. That’s the first real news I’ve heard about it.

  45. Gaudin's fancy pronunciation June 27th, 2010 at 2:05 am

    Why is Goon Logan still here? Just because he throws hard?

  46. m June 27th, 2010 at 2:07 am

    IMO the staff is no better or worse off with eiland gone. Meaning there’s no reason to rush him. But I’m sure everyone will be glad when he returns.

  47. Betsy - Hughes rules (pleading the Fifth) June 27th, 2010 at 2:07 am

    I doubt that’s correct, M – probably just speculation. The Yankees have been tight-lipped (as they should be) about it as they should be.

  48. Betsy - Hughes rules (pleading the Fifth) June 27th, 2010 at 2:08 am

    By the way, I want Eiland back soon as well, but I don’t think he should rush it……..I want him back because that means things are ok with him and this is where he belongs (professionally-spea ing).

  49. Mark June 27th, 2010 at 2:09 am

    We are wineless on Sunday Night Baseball

  50. SAS June 27th, 2010 at 2:10 am

    Betsy,

    Of course, I wasn’t implying you were wishing anyone ill. It is just that taking this much time during a baseball season is not commonplace. I hope he returns soon to help out the guys who need it.

    Listen, it may not help….it is just an opinion.

  51. Killa Cali June 27th, 2010 at 2:10 am

    Gaudin, Park, Logan, Marte, Robertson, Joba are all pitching the same way they always have – inconsistently.

  52. PC Dan June 27th, 2010 at 2:12 am

    Girardi, Pena, and Posada have spent their lives around pitchers. They can’t see what is wrong with Burnett and fix it in-game?

    I know it is Eliand’s specialty to be the pitching coach but we have 3 former catchers in the dugout

  53. SAS June 27th, 2010 at 2:12 am

    Mark,

    I assume you meant win less…I hope we break that streak.

  54. kevin June 27th, 2010 at 2:13 am

    i’ve said it a million times- the Yankees have won despite Girardi not at all because of him. The guy is simply not an asset as a manager. Pinch hitting for Burnett was such an obvious move it’s laughable. 1st and 3rd 1 out, 1 run down, and you have a pitcher on the mound that is lucky to get out a high schooler, and you go out of your way to leave him in??? if the Yanks tie the game there or take the lead, the whole game could be different.

    and then to say you’re not skipping his next start at least? i mean this pitcher has all the talent in the world but even to be THIS bad, this is out of character for even for AJ. it has gotten to the point where it’s obvious they should either fake an injury and put him on the 15 DL or at least skip a start. he’s like the worst pitcher in the league for a month and you keep running him out there? uh, don’t u give hitters a day off when they’re slumping? it’s the same thing. AJ is mental right now.

  55. PDX June 27th, 2010 at 2:14 am

    Is Cashman hesitant to promote Eliand because he doesn’t want to Girardi to be upset that he has to demote his friend back to the BP coach? Aldred coming up is an indictment of Harky…. at least it will appear that way….

  56. PDX June 27th, 2010 at 2:14 am

    *Aldred, not Eliand

  57. Tankus June 27th, 2010 at 2:20 am

    Was just reading through the last thread

    LOL! at a comment that this victory is Torre’s “revenge” at Levine

    So funny

    “My team beat up Burnett, Boone Logan, and Park. Take that Randy!”

  58. m June 27th, 2010 at 2:22 am

    Too bad it won’t be whineless on Sunday…

  59. SAS June 27th, 2010 at 2:26 am

    m

    At least I don’t whine hopefully ever, but not during games.

    ===================================================

    Good night all,

    Have to get ready for the game….in a few hours…..lol

  60. BD (Boston Dave) June 27th, 2010 at 2:28 am

    “this victory is Torre’s “revenge” at Levine”

    ——————

    if that’s the case, Levine got his “revenge” as Torre was throwing an empty bottle of whisky at the wall seconds after Game 6 concluded last November.

  61. GreenBeret7 June 27th, 2010 at 2:30 am

    It’s pretty sad that after 50 years in professional baseball that Torre would even have the thought that winning one game in a series was more important to him than the fact that are two teams in front of his in the divisional race and another team is just 1 game behind him. You’d think that would be more of a concern than a minor bit of revenge. Maybe now he knows why he wasn’t asked to return in 2008.

  62. Donnie - Will Meet Manny Under the O'Neill Banner June 27th, 2010 at 2:40 am

    GreenBeret7,

    AJ’s last 10 starts:

    6/26 – 3 IP, 6 ER
    6/21 – 4 IP, 7 ER
    6/16 – 3.1 IP, 6 ER
    6/10 – 6.2 IP, 4 ER (OK against any team other than Baltimore…who this WAS against)
    6/4 – 6 IP, 6 ER
    5/30 – 8 IP, 1 ER (Good)
    5/25 – 5 IP, 0 ER (Good)
    5/19 – 6.2 IP, 6 ER
    5/14 – 6.2 IP, 2 ER (Good)
    5/9 – 4.1 IP, 8 ER

    Before those 10 starts his ERA was 1.99. I DID say “probably”, because I hadn’t gone and looked at the actual numbers, but in the end, it was only 7 out of 10 that he’s been bad. Saying “probably 8 out of 10″ isn’t exactly an exaggeration when those are the actual numbers.

  63. Rich in NJ June 27th, 2010 at 3:20 am

    I disagree with Girardi’s moves to let AJ bat and PH for Granderson, but I understand them, however, no matter what Girardi says publicly, his faith in AJ has to be starting to decline. Even when he’s pitching well, he’s a crapshoot.

  64. sevrox June 27th, 2010 at 6:17 am

    He needs to breathe through his eyelids like a Galapagos turtle – and the rose goes in the front, big guy.

    He’s the Yanks very own version of Nuke Laloosh.

    Sounds to me like his failures are getting into his head – hopefully he can turn his season around.

  65. MT June 27th, 2010 at 7:25 am

    Guess Jeter’s birthday wasn’t all bad. http://bit.ly/8YcDmn

  66. blake June 27th, 2010 at 8:29 am

    Tough night for the Yankees and on Lohud too I imagine. I wasn’t around but I just skimmed through, looks like an all night Matt-fest again, which is so often the case when the Yankees fall behind early. Who’s feeling upbeat and positive this morning?

    AJ was dreadful though to be honest. He just can’t get the ball over the plate right now. Its not his stuff, he had good stuff last night. He is just ball 1, ball 2 to every hitter and therefore has to groove pitches because he’s behind in the count. It also takes away the ability for him to throw his curve out of the zone in counts where hitters might chase.

    Pat M had a great line last night about maybe it being time to sign Crash Davis….that would be a great idea….maybe they could also introduce him to Annie Savoy while they are at it. AJ is struggling worse than Javy at the start of the year but in his case I think even more of it is mental. Skipping him a start, wouldn’t be the worst idea…he really needs to clear his head and reboot.

  67. Cameron June 27th, 2010 at 8:41 am

    Andy will give his best and the guys will respond, Yankees win the series. Andy never quits nor should the fans.

  68. J9d June 27th, 2010 at 8:46 am

    The Yankees are in great shape and history shows AJ will likely right the ship but It is confounding that AJ seemed sort of surprised at his results because, in his words, he had “unbelievable stuff.” I mean wouldn’t you just sort of lay low and take your medicine after the last three weeks even if you thought your so called “stuff” was really impressive? This is the type of statement that is indicative of a persons leadership and toughness, whether in business or sports. “Stuff” means nothing if you are unable to get the context.

  69. murphydog June 27th, 2010 at 8:52 am

    Blake:

    “Skipping him a start, wouldn’t be the worst idea…he really needs to clear his head and reboot.”

    Agree 100%. His mechanics have been less than perfect his whole career, a less than perfect delivery, so I doubt that it’s something that going to get a lot better with more reps alone. The proof of that is in the field the last few starts.

    Add to that the fact that AJ is very emotional and yes, it’s time to sit that guy down. For his own good, let him quiet his mind.

  70. blake June 27th, 2010 at 8:53 am

    When you have two pitches and can get neither over for strikes…let alone hit spots, then it doesn’t really matter how good your stuff is.

    AJ isn’t nearly this bad. He will get it together and pitch better…the Yankees are fortunate that they have 4 other guys throwing the ball well.

  71. MTU (aka GBURL) June 27th, 2010 at 8:53 am

    Blake-

    I’m still upbeat.

    The Yankees are still in first place.

    And in spite of everything we have the best record in baseball.

    Boston is mortally wounded after losing Pedroia.

    And TB has come back down to Earth.

    Do we still have some issues to deal with ?

    Yup.

    But none of them is either critical or insurmountable.

    The trade deadline approaches and changes will be made.

    Our Starting staff, in spite of AJ’s current troubles, is the best in Baseball.

    Our hitting will come around.

    And when it all comes together which I believe it will. It’s curtains for everyone else.

    Was that upbeat enough for you ? :)

  72. blake June 27th, 2010 at 8:57 am

    Murph,
    I agree…did loopy write anything of interest this week?

  73. blake June 27th, 2010 at 9:02 am

    MTU,
    I’m upbeat as well…was just referring to the tone of posts from a certain person.

    The Yanks have a chance to take their 2nd series out west with Andy on the hill tonight….not so bad, though Kershaw could be very tough of he’s on.

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  74. murphydog June 27th, 2010 at 9:03 am

    I’m not reading too much into the cold record on AJ. I didn’t stay up for the post game last night so I don’t know the tone or demeanor and that’s essential. But I’ve seen him in post game interviews commenting on bad outings. He’s not oblivious at all. He seems to me to be saying that he’s frustrated. He knows he’s blessed with great talent – I had great stuff tonight – and he’s surprised maybe and definitely frustrated that at this point in his career he can’t access the talent more consistently. Because he’s emotional, the Anti-Mariano, that’s leaking into his game, compounding the problem with doubt and lack of confidence.

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  75. MTU (aka GBURL) June 27th, 2010 at 9:10 am

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    It could have just been a cramp, or it could have been something worse.

    We’ll find out soon I would imagine. If they lose him too for any period of time consider them done. They are snakebit this season.

    It seems like a good day to reach for higher ground so I will.

    I’ll be leaving soon. Enjoy the game.

  76. Tar June 27th, 2010 at 9:13 am

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    “I had unbelievable stuff today,” Burnett said. “I had velocity. I had movement. I had a good hook”

    I have no problems with this statement because I agree with it. He did have a great hook. But as a wise Man once said “Baseball is 90% mental — the other half is physical.”

  77. SJ44 June 27th, 2010 at 9:16 am

    It’s amazing to me how one person can turn the game thread into a sewer.

    Every loss isn’t armeggedon. Every loss doesn’t mean the season is over. Every loss isn’t on the offense.

    If AJ can’t get it going, he will have a lesser role as the season goes on.

    It’s the luxury of having four other guys throwing the ball so well.

    I just can’t get worked up over a late June game where, despite the loss, they are in first place with the best record in baseball.

    I think some of the children need to realize there are no perfect teams in baseball.

    The Yankees however, have fewer flaws than most.

    That’s why there are sitting where they are at the present time.

  78. blake June 27th, 2010 at 9:16 am

    Murph,
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    AJ has very complicated mechanics and he’s very rotational in his delievery. He also is basically a two pitch guy with below average command. I have always contended that perhaps if he were to develop another pitch then he wouldn’t have to have as good a command to be successful. I know folks will say that if he can’t command 2 pitches then how can he be expected to command 3?..well that’s true but it also gives hitters another pitch to think about and can keep them more off balance and therefore allow more location mistakes. Right now, he’s getting behind and hitters know either a ball or a grooved fastball is coming…

    I think you have to work with what you have this season but in the offseason AJ may want to consider if this is who he wants to be or if he wants to take a risk and try to be something more.

  79. murphydog June 27th, 2010 at 9:16 am

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    Loopy writes that he was watching the World Cup at a cafe in London with a contrived American name out front, conjuring up images of that cliche, the American ex-pat writer in Europe, an image as tired as the Generation Perdue, featuring Loopy’s imagined peers, Hemingway and Fitzgerald.

    What’s on Loopy’s “bangers and mash” besotted mind? He’s glad that Ghana beat the USA because it means so much to Africa. Any day now Loopy is going to have gender re-assignment surgery and turn into Angelina Jolie.

    Anyway, as for the Yankees, Loopy shares this insight:

    “Yeah, it must have been Joe Torre’s fault that A-Rod couldn’t buy a hit in October until last October, and that you couldn’t find him in one first-round loss after another. A-Rod might still someday be the all-time king of home runs. The king of accountability he has never been. And will never be.”

    Show me one place where A-Rod blamed Torre for his past crap post-season performance. He didn’t. So good ol Loopy created a straw man just to be able to swing his puny fist at A-Rod all the way from Londonistan. Must be nice to be pulling in so much money from those adolescent Travel Team novels.

    Read more: http://www.nydailynews.com/spo.....z0s3g8IPq8

  80. MTU (aka GBURL) June 27th, 2010 at 9:19 am

    Murphy_

    I agree with you about it being a little long of tooth to teach AJ some of the things he should already know.

    His own stubborness might be one of his biggest problems.

    Each ST he features his CU and then it goes right into his back pocket when the season starts, and he has a good one that’s what is so funny, or sad about it.

    He also has a very good 2 seamer which he does not use enough.

    His mechanics are complicated as has been pointed out out, and when he looses them he seems to lose them for extended periods of time.

    Pitching from the stretch would not help IMO either.

    GB is right in pointing out that he goes on streaks like this each year where he looks just hopeless and then almost as if by magic he is fine again and resumes pitching effectively.

    That is likely to happen over and over again.

    I’m not opposed to skipping a start if it would help settle him down.

    Sometimes a soldier must be removed from the heat of battle for his own good. Maybe this is such a time.

    Aj will return to form it is just a question of when.

  81. SJ44 June 27th, 2010 at 9:23 am

    AJ is right. He did have great stuff yesterday. He just didn’t have the confidence to trust it and challenge guys.

    I don’t care how great your stuff is, if you continue to fall behind hitters, you will pay for it at this level.

    That’s the biggest difference between the majors and minors.

  82. Chip June 27th, 2010 at 9:23 am

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    Likely they picked up Patterson to give them some depth on the infield while Pedroia is on the DL.

    Even their minor leaguers (Lowrie and Iglasies) are on the DL, so they just need warm bodies at this point.

    Boston does worry me a little – given all the injuries they’ve had (Cameron, Ellsbury, Beckett) now Pedroia and Bucholtz, the Yankees should have been able to gain more separation on them. When that team gets healthy they could come up fast.

  83. Chip June 27th, 2010 at 9:24 am

    SJ44 June 27th, 2010 at 9:23 am
    AJ is right. He did have great stuff yesterday. He just didn?t have the confidence to trust it and challenge guys.

    I don?t care how great your stuff is, if you continue to fall behind hitters, you will pay for it at this level.

    That?s the biggest difference between the majors and minors.
    ———————-

    Daniel Cabrera used to have the best stuff in baseball. As you said, sometimes stuff just ain’t enough.

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    Excellent as usual. Your loopy rants always crack me up.

  85. Chip June 27th, 2010 at 9:26 am

    Gosh – the Mariners seem to be in business just to help the Indians out.

    A couple of years ago they gave Cleveland (in separate deals) Asdrubal Cabrera and Shin Soo Choo for Ben Broussard and Eduardo Perez; now they’ve given the Indians two promising young players for Russ Branyan.

    What the heck are they picking up Branyan for at this point anyway?

  86. Abe Peterham June 27th, 2010 at 9:28 am

    3 questions
    What was our record last year at this time?
    How many come back wins this/ last yr?
    What’s wrong w Eiland?

    Peace and love, peace AND loveee

  87. SJ44 June 27th, 2010 at 9:29 am

    Lupica is amazing. Accountability?

    Tell you what…..

    Show me stories, ANYWHERE, where Joe Torre takes accountability for ANYTHING that took place with his teams from 2004-2007 AND for what he wrote in his book.

    When Lupica does that, THEN talk about Arod’s accountability.

    The act from the Torre shills in the media is as tired as the St. Joe, “I don’t know why Arod is mad at me” act Torre has put on this weekend. It’s all nonsense.

    One more day of this and Torre can go back to baseball boredom in LA and the Defending World Champions can get back to playing baseball that matters.

  88. murphydog June 27th, 2010 at 9:32 am

    “Aj will return to form it is just a question of when.”

    No doubt about it. It’s just that it seems to bother AJ a great deal that he pitches like this, in and out of dramatic slumps every season.

    Usually, overpaid athletes like AJ (and everybody else on in sports – I’m not singling out AJ) either conceal their dissatisfaction with themselves or give off a whiff of “hey they knew that’s what they were getting when they signed me.” Maybe I’m seeing things, but it seems to me that AJ is fed up with his inconsistency. He wants to be more consistent, not just get out of this slump.

  89. SJ44 June 27th, 2010 at 9:33 am

    IIRC, the Yankees are currently three games ahead of last years pace and have a greater run differential in their favor than they had a year ago.

    They haven’t had as many comeback wins because they haven’t been behind as much late in games as they were last year.

    No idea on Eiland’s return.

  90. Tar June 27th, 2010 at 9:33 am

    “The king of accountability he has never been. And will never be.”

    Loopy is an idiot. Seems to me Alex is the first one to stand up and say I stunk, or I screwed up. What the heck is Loopy talking about? Accountability for what? Steroids, I think he covered that.

  91. blake June 27th, 2010 at 9:33 am

    Can’t you just see Loopyca sitting there imagining himself reeling in a Marlin with Hemingway…

  92. bart June 27th, 2010 at 9:35 am

    1 loss, Yakees will win the series Andy will do his best, that’s the more important thing. Keep it in perspective. Win the series, it’s hard to sweep a team, let alone in their homefield

    I will say that AJ’s knucle-curve was responible for loading the bases and scoring runs. It wasn’t a good pitch for him.

  93. MTU (aka GBURL) June 27th, 2010 at 9:39 am

    Murphy-

    “Maybe I’m seeing things, but it seems to me that AJ is fed up with his inconsistency. He wants to be more consistent, not just get out of this slump.”

    You might just be right.

    If he wants to rise to another level then he needs to incorporate more of his pitches on a regular basis especially when his bread and butter stuff isn’t on track.

    I don’t know why with all his experience he can’t seem to correct his mechanical flaws on the fly. I guess his delivery is just that complicated. It is both a curse as well as a blessing.

    Gotta run soon. Thanks for responding. :)

  94. Abe Peterham June 27th, 2010 at 9:40 am

    “”Sj44June 27, 2010 at 9:33 am
    IIRC, the Yankees are currently three games ahead of last years pace and have a greater run differential in their favor than they had a year ago.

    They haven’t had as many comeback wins because they haven’t been behind as much late in games as they were last year.””

    The sky isn’t falling then! Whewww, I feel better! ;)

  95. murphydog June 27th, 2010 at 9:49 am

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  96. Cookiepuss June 27th, 2010 at 10:39 am

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    What A.L. team/s could Jeter sign with besides the Detroit Tigers? He’d never sign with Boston, Tampa Bay, or the Angels lest he be branded the ultimate turncoat. T.B. can’t afford him anyway. Minnesota, Toronto, Seattle, and the Chi-Sox can’t afford him. Kansas City, Cleveland, Oakland, and Baltimore suck so bad Jeter would never sign with any of them, and Baltimore is the only team among the four who can afford him anyway. The Rangers can afford him but they traded away a prime A-Rod, so why would they sign a past his prime Jeter? His only A.L. suitor would be Detroit a good team who has the money and is located where Jeter spent most of his childhood. I defy him to win it all with them cuz.

    Jeter in yesterday’s game was disturbing esp.when it was his 36th birthday. He looked awful and old at the plate. He’s looked that for a decent chunk of this year. Maybe all those years of 150+ starts a year plus a season’s worth of postseason games since 1996 save one year and all the stress of those games from expectations to win it all are finally catching up to him. He’s slipping and I’m sorry, if he truly is about excellence at the plate, in the field, and being a Yankee for life, he will take the two years at great money (which $30M per year certainly is) and show everyone he’s worth a one or two-year extension with a great bounce-back 2011.

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    and then to say you?re not skipping his next start at least? i mean this pitcher has all the talent in the world but even to be THIS bad, this is out of character for even for AJ. it has gotten to the point where it?s obvious they should either fake an injury and put him on the 15 DL or at least skip a start. he?s like the worst pitcher in the league for a month and you keep running him out there? uh, don?t u give hitters a day off when they?re slumping? it?s the same thing. AJ is mental right now.

    Very well said Kevin. Frankly, I’m surprised more people aren’t upset about Girardi’s amazing stupidity. In addition, why not have Gardner steal in that situation? He’s only been caught 3 times all year.

    Also, when he FINALLY takes out Burnett, he brings in Logan of all guys??? WHy not Gaudin?? Logan sucks, period. Girardi needs to get over being in love with the lefty-lefty matchups.

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