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Sticking with Burnett

Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Misc on Jun 27, 2010 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

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Earlier this season, when Javier Vazquez was struggling, the Yankees rotation was adjusted so that Vazquez would skip a start. The Yankees arranged extra time for Vazquez to work in the bullpen and get himself straightened out.

There are no plans to do the same with A.J. Burnett.

“I don’t think he’s necessarily going to benefit from it right now,” Joe Girardi said. “We need A.J., and A.J has the ability to pitch well. And I believe he’s going to pitch well. We just have to keep working.”

Girardi said the Burnett struggles — five straight losses — are not all that different from the Vazquez struggles from earlier this season, but Girardi seems to think the root cause is different.

“We thought it would be good for Javy to miss a start,” Girardi said. “I don’t see a lack of velocity (in Burnett). I don’t see a lack of bite in his breaking ball. It’s just execution, pitch after pitch. And that’s something we need to work on.”

It’s hard to fix a pitcher’s execution without putting him in games.

“I wish there was a way I could get out there tomorrow and throw,” Burnett said. “I can’t wait to pitch my next start.”

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136 Responses to “Sticking with Burnett”

  1. Chip June 27th, 2010 at 9:28 am

    Gosh ? the Mariners seem to be in business just to help the Indians out.

    A couple of years ago they gave Cleveland (in separate deals) Asdrubal Cabrera and Shin Soo Choo for Ben Broussard and Eduardo Perez; now they?ve given the Indians two promising young players for Russ Branyan.

    What the heck are they picking up Branyan for at this point anyway?

  2. blake June 27th, 2010 at 9:40 am

    If anyone saw any on the Sox game last night….how did Bumgardner look? How was his velocity?

  3. murphydog June 27th, 2010 at 9:47 am

    from the last thread:

    SJ had written: “Show me stories, ANYWHERE, where Joe Torre takes accountability for ANYTHING that took place with his teams from 2004-2007 AND for what he wrote in his book.”

    I think the only thing Torre ever took accountability for in his Yankee years was not taking the team off the field during the attack of the midges in Cleveland. And that was a “maybe” from him.

    What bothers me the MOST about Loopy is the smug confidence resting on his utter laziness. He trots out cliche after cliche, contrives straw men as needed to justify his point of view. He gets everything fed to him by interested parties. He’s friends with McNamee’s lawyer for crying out loud and shamelessly writes what he’s fed.

    What about doing some original baseball stuff? Talk to somebody outside the g.d. press box or the Hamptons polo clique. He’s just breathing his own vapors. He’s an inch deep and a mile wide these days, delivering his bile on politics now too. This guy used to be somebody in this town. Reading him now reminds me of watching Willie Mays play for the Mets. Sad.

  4. bart June 27th, 2010 at 9:50 am

    If the Yankees were in that deal they’d want to clear out the farm BEFORE THE’D TRADE. Mets want Lee without being able to tallk extension, so he’d be just a half season rental.

  5. Zoso June 27th, 2010 at 9:51 am

    Initially, I read the headline as “Stinking with Burnett”.

    Either one is appropriate, sadly.

  6. RMS June 27th, 2010 at 9:52 am

    Lupica hates the Yankees. I don’t put any stock in anything he writes about them.

  7. inspector planet June 27th, 2010 at 9:52 am

    What was Billy Crystal talking about during the game yesterday on FOX? He was talking as if Joe Torre is a straight shooter…

  8. blake June 27th, 2010 at 9:53 am

    if you think his writing is bad…watch him on the sports reporters.

    I think the fact that the Yankees are winning games outwrite instead of in walk off fashion is a good thing…never understand when folks bring that up in arguments. All that means is that last year they won a bunch of games that they probably shouldn’t have won…

  9. Rich in NJ June 27th, 2010 at 9:55 am

    McCarver and Buck’s paean to Torre during the game was nauseating. Few have done so little and have been credit for so much.

  10. inspector planet June 27th, 2010 at 9:56 am

    “All that means is that last year they won a bunch of games that they probably shouldn’t have won”

    Agree

  11. blake June 27th, 2010 at 9:58 am

    Crystal and Torre are buddies…he’s not going to say anything bad about him on air. I like Billy though..

  12. Terry from NH June 27th, 2010 at 10:04 am

    Burnett may be the most frustrating pitcher ever to don a Yankee uniform!

  13. Rich in NJ June 27th, 2010 at 10:05 am

    One word: Pavano

  14. AM PM June 27th, 2010 at 10:06 am

    The Red Sox sweep the Dodgers and took 2/3 from the Phillies.

    How are we doing with those teams again?

  15. blake June 27th, 2010 at 10:07 am

    I wish some team had given Mcarver a manager’s position…perhaps it would have spared us all being forced to listen to him on Saturdays and in the playoffs….but with ideas like putting an opposite field shift on Jeter…its no surprise he didn’t get offered a job.

  16. murphydog June 27th, 2010 at 10:09 am

    “McCarver and Buck’s paean to Torre during the game was nauseating. Few have done so little and have been credit for so much.”

    Almost as nauseating as the badly staged and rehearsed Reggie – Lasorda “argument.”

    McCarver aside from his uneven supply of baseball intel is a very good friend of Torre. So that takes care of his objectivity. Buck?

    Buck is a baseball dilettante and if you are superficial and don’t understand or respect the backoffice/inside aspect of the game, that speaks for itself.

    “I’m just at a loss for words. FOX’s national voice for Baseball openly admitted to not enjoying the game he covers, cramming for weekend matchups, thinking that the games are too long and that the game just isn’t the same.”

    http://awfulannouncing.blogspo.....tches.html

    Joe Buck is smug and ignorant, a classic combination, much like Loopyca. But as I always tell people, ignorance from faux Baseball people is part of the price of being a Yankee fan.

  17. murphydog June 27th, 2010 at 10:11 am

    “Burnett may be the most frustrating pitcher ever to don a Yankee uniform!”

    Two words: Ed Whitson.

  18. jpb1973 June 27th, 2010 at 10:11 am

    McCarver and Buck’s paean to Torre during the game was nauseating. Few have done so little and have been credit for so much.

    —————————————————————————————————

    I agree with every word you say. the Yankees made Torre great…he didn’t make them great. Most folks don’t realize that Don Zimmer made most of the in-game decisions when he was the bench coach.

    The only thing worse than McCarver and Buck talking about Torre was the wasted half inning they spent with Tommie Lasorda and Reggie Jackson.

  19. SJ44 June 27th, 2010 at 10:13 am

    The Red Sox are in third place and the Yankees are in first.

    The Yankees are 5-3 head to head against the Red Sox this year.

    Read the standings much AM PM or do they not have them on SOSH?

  20. emachine June 27th, 2010 at 10:15 am

    I wonder what the Sox offense will do to Tim Lincecum this afternoon after thrashing Ubaldo Jimenez–dubbed the “greatest pitcher on the planet.”

  21. Rich in NJ June 27th, 2010 at 10:17 am

    With regard to recent games v. the Dodgers and Phillies, AJ lost games in both series.

    This just in: He’s pitching horribly right now.

  22. Truth June 27th, 2010 at 10:18 am

    “Two weeks ago against the Astros.

    Don’t let one game affect your thinking.

    Believe it or not, if they lose today, the season isn’t over.”

    I was asking because I couldn’t remember. Your attitude is not appreciated.
    Who the hell suggested the season is over? Get a grip.

  23. Mx2 June 27th, 2010 at 10:18 am

    Please.

    The Red sox are a lot better team than their record indicates: firing on all cylinder, offense, pitching, bullpen, beating up on both good and bad teams.

  24. veritas June 27th, 2010 at 10:19 am

    Congratulations to A.J. Burnett on putting together the worst month statistically for any starting pitcher in the history of the New York Yankees.

    Here’s your prize: (delivers a virtual kick in the ass)

  25. murphydog June 27th, 2010 at 10:20 am

    I’m not a Sox fan, in that I don’t root for them. But I respect them. Still, they are looking at tough times ahead.

    http://www.bostonherald.com/sp.....8;srvc=rss

  26. rj June 27th, 2010 at 10:20 am

    Lasorda could not hide his real bitterness, even under a facade of faux bitterness. It was palpable.

  27. NYYanksFan June 27th, 2010 at 10:21 am

    Anyone who took Jeter’s side in the A-Rod Esquire article incident can’t blame A-Rod for being hurt by anything in Torre’s book without being a hypocrite.

    A-Rod is acting more like Jeter which is what people have been telling him to do for years.

  28. rj June 27th, 2010 at 10:21 am

    emachine June 27th, 2010 at 10:15 am
    I wonder what the Sox offense will do to Tim Lincecum this afternoon after thrashing Ubaldo Jimenez–dubbed the “greatest pitcher on the planet.

    =========================================================

    Everyone on both teams acknowledged that Ubaldo was sick as a dog.

  29. RMS June 27th, 2010 at 10:22 am

    # murphydog June 27th, 2010 at 10:11 am

    “Burnett may be the most frustrating pitcher ever to don a Yankee uniform!”

    Two words: Ed Whitson.

    ————————————————————–

    AJ is much more talented than Whitson. Hence the frustration from many fans.

  30. m June 27th, 2010 at 10:22 am

    sox, yanks, rays:

    5-5
    3-7
    7-3

    Without cheating match the last 10 game records with those 3 teams.

  31. Rich in NJ June 27th, 2010 at 10:22 am

    If the RS are that good, they will have the chance to prove it on the field.

    Saying it on a message board proves nothing.

  32. murphydog June 27th, 2010 at 10:24 am

    “AJ is much more talented than Whitson. Hence the frustration from many fans.”

    Fair enough.

  33. Bernie June 27th, 2010 at 10:26 am

    Have any of you seen the news that Pedroia broke his foot yesterday, is out until mid-July and surgery may be necessary?

    He is a huge part of that team. I would expect a little slide now

  34. Zoso June 27th, 2010 at 10:26 am

    If you have the stomach for it, Wally Matthews actually put together a great article this morning:

    http://sports.espn.go.com/newy.....id=5332987

  35. MTU (aka GBURL) June 27th, 2010 at 10:26 am

    James Cameron did a fantastic movie about the Red Sox.

    The name: “Titanic” :)

  36. murphydog June 27th, 2010 at 10:26 am

    “Lasorda could not hide his real bitterness, even under a facade of faux bitterness. It was palpable.”

    It was probably gas. I mean, did you see the size of that old cow? I thought he was going to explode like Mr. Creosote.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mr._Creosote

  37. m June 27th, 2010 at 10:27 am

    Alex is going to come out smelling like a rose. Some were satisfied with the loss because they felt it avenged levine’s & mediots treatment of Torre (this week).

    But the book is what makes Torre look bad. It’ll be the sword he falls on while trying to defend some of his actionn and words.

  38. RMS June 27th, 2010 at 10:28 am

    There are many people who like Torre, Billy Crystal, etc. Do you expect them to rip Torre just because some fans dislike him?

  39. Mx2 June 27th, 2010 at 10:28 am

    And, oh yeah. Whatever scrub they brought up from AAA to play 2nd base will probably hit a home run / grand slam / walkoff winning hit, etc. for his first hit. It just has been that kind of wonder year for those lucky bastards.

  40. Melkman is in Hotlanta June 27th, 2010 at 10:29 am

    AJ is a .500 pitcher so it’s not a surprise that we are seeing his consistent inconsistency. Pity, I hope he doesn’t feel guilty for stealing 85 million from the NYY when he implodes in the last 2 years of his contract?

  41. Rich in NJ June 27th, 2010 at 10:30 am

    At the risk of being too serious, it’s pretty impressive that James Cameron knows so much about deep water oil rig leaks.

  42. JM June 27th, 2010 at 10:30 am

    Loved Torre as Yankee manager and thought he was a great fit for the dynasty team, but the last couple of years, not so much. He played favorites, abused bp pitchers, just seemed burnt out to me. I thought the end was mishandled by the organization, but I also agreed it was time for him to go.

    But, the book is what really bugs me. Why write that when you’re still in the game? Why not just wait a few years and write it when you retire? I just thought it showed no class and was a money grab, and that surprised me, frankly.

  43. murphydog June 27th, 2010 at 10:30 am

    “If you have the stomach for it, Wally Matthews actually put together a great article this morning”

    I skimmed it. My only conclusion is that his original piece was too much like everybody else’s so he had to go the other way ;)

    It was a remarkable exercise in restraint from a guy known for living among straw men.

  44. Rich in NJ June 27th, 2010 at 10:31 am

    “There are many people who like Torre, Billy Crystal, etc. Do you expect them to rip Torre just because some fans dislike him?”

    I would expect (actually I wouldn’t, but I would hope) that Fox would offer a more balanced presentation of the facts surrounding Torre’s departure from NY.

  45. Terry from NH June 27th, 2010 at 10:31 am

    “# murphydog June 27th, 2010 at 10:11 am

    “Burnett may be the most frustrating pitcher ever to don a Yankee uniform!”

    Two words: Ed Whitson.”

    ————————————————————–

    “AJ is much more talented than Whitson. Hence the frustration from many fans”

    ………That was my point RMS that AJ has much more talent than Whitson, plus AJ pitched in the AL for a period of time!

  46. MTU (aka GBURL) June 27th, 2010 at 10:32 am

    Rich-

    At the risk of being too frivolous perhaps Mr. Cameron could help the Sox with the huge leak they have sprung.

    Nah ! :)

  47. Truth June 27th, 2010 at 10:32 am

    Trade AJ to the Cardinals. Duncan will fix him. Just joking.

  48. murphydog June 27th, 2010 at 10:32 am

    “At the risk of being too serious, it’s pretty impressive that James Cameron knows so much about deep water oil rig leaks.”

    But let’s go for the baseball connection. Seems that Crash Davis’ oil sucking rig is the real deal.

    http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/37791727

  49. Rich in NJ June 27th, 2010 at 10:35 am

    “But let’s go for the baseball connection. Seems that Crash Davis’ oil sucking rig is the real deal.”

    I was actually going to mention Costner too but I thought I might be getting in too deep (no pun intended, MTU). But I agree, Costner’s venture capitalism is equally as impressive.

  50. RMS June 27th, 2010 at 10:36 am

    “I would expect (actually I wouldn’t, but I would hope) that Fox would offer a more balanced presentation of the facts surrounding Torre’s departure from NY.”

    Your getting Fox sports mixed up with a political channel like the fair and balanced Fox news channel.

  51. MTU (aka GBURL) June 27th, 2010 at 10:36 am

    Have a great day everyone.

    I’m off to the tall cool Mountains to teach my body who’s boss( I hope). :)

  52. m June 27th, 2010 at 10:36 am

    The Crystal thing surprised me. The whole Swiss neutrality thing was sorts clever. But just highlighted how this whole series seemed to be between Rirre & the Yankees. I thought crystal was going to say he loves his Yankees but also the team of his adopted home. Oh, well.

    But IMO billy only crystallized what torre is trying not to portray which is that he’s not bitter. From crystals appearance it’s clear that he is. Was kind of sad in a sweet way. Billy is a good loyal friend to torre. Just like bowa and frank torre who have also spoke out on his behalf.

  53. murphydog June 27th, 2010 at 10:36 am

    Do I live in Bizarro World?

    http://www.nypost.com/p/sports.....9lEOUFq4SI

  54. Truth June 27th, 2010 at 10:38 am

    “AJ is a .500 pitcher so it’s not a surprise that we are seeing his consistent inconsistency. Pity, I hope he doesn’t feel guilty for stealing 85 million from the NYY when he implodes in the last 2 years of his contract?”

    Ouch!

  55. blake June 27th, 2010 at 10:38 am

    Crash can do it all.

  56. Bronx Born June 27th, 2010 at 10:39 am

    Jeez Murph I think we all do. Just goes to show you baseball is such a game of so many skills that it can be quite unpredictable. It’s a very weird game filled with so many intangibles that stats never show.

  57. Rich in NJ June 27th, 2010 at 10:39 am

    “”Your getting Fox sports mixed up with a political channel like the fair and balanced Fox news channel.

    *holds tongue*

  58. JM June 27th, 2010 at 10:39 am

    Anyone watching England-Germany World Cup game? That was just the tying goal for England but the officials didn’t see it….Wow

  59. Bronx Born June 27th, 2010 at 10:39 am

    Have a good hike MTU..

  60. Bronx Born June 27th, 2010 at 10:41 am

    My Mother bought me Torre’s book when it first came out. It is still sitting on my bookshelf. I read everything, I mean everything, yet this book still sits on my shelf more of keepsake than actual reading material. For some reason, I have zero desire to read it.

  61. Rich in NJ June 27th, 2010 at 10:41 am

    It’s too bad that Torre wasn’t fired when he first should have been after the 2004 ALCS. It would have been much more fun to watch people defend him.

  62. Roger(live from Amsterdam) June 27th, 2010 at 10:41 am

    What a game this is!

  63. ukon June 27th, 2010 at 10:42 am

    “Anyone watching England-Germany World Cup game? That was just the tying goal for England but the officials didn’t see it….Wow”

    No One Cares.

  64. RMS June 27th, 2010 at 10:43 am

    “”Your getting Fox sports mixed up with a political channel like the fair and balanced Fox news channel.

    *holds tongue*

    lol

    You picked up exactly what I meant.

  65. blake June 27th, 2010 at 10:43 am

    I much prefer Morgan and Miller than the Fox team…I think they are better and also ESPN doesn’t block out games so I can just watch on online if they get too annoying….if you can ignore all the big red machine talk Morgan isn’t all that bad sometimes.

    Fox forces the country to watch their channel which drives me crazy.

  66. JM June 27th, 2010 at 10:43 am

    Except the rest of the world….LOL

  67. murphydog June 27th, 2010 at 10:46 am

    It’s a very weird game filled with so many intangibles that stats never show.

    And how!

    “Boy, I wish someone could explain the Game of Baseball to me. But you just can’t explain this game, can you Suzyn?”

    (Sound effect: Hoarse guffaw). “No, John, you can’t. It’s like you always say. You just can’t explain this game.”

    “No, Suzyn, you can’t. You just can’t explain this game.”

  68. Bronx Born June 27th, 2010 at 10:47 am

    LMAO Murph

  69. Melkman is in Hotlanta June 27th, 2010 at 10:48 am

    “”was actually going to mention Costner too but I thought I might be getting in too deep (no pun intended, MTU). But I agree, Costner’s venture capitalism is equally as impressive.””

    The processed water from Ray’s machine still has oil particulates that are above the range the EPA considers safe but it’s an expensive step in the right direction.

  70. vey June 27th, 2010 at 10:48 am

    I see a double standard for AJ, compared to what was used for Javy. Joe’s babying AJ.

  71. Truth June 27th, 2010 at 10:50 am

    “I much prefer Morgan and Miller than the Fox team…I think they are better and also ESPN doesn’t block out games so I can just watch on online if they get too annoying….if you can ignore all the big red machine talk Morgan isn’t all that bad sometimes.

    Fox forces the country to watch their channel which drives me crazy.”

    Morgan and Miller are terrible.
    Solution-Hit the mute button.

  72. Melkman is in Hotlanta June 27th, 2010 at 10:50 am

    AJ has a movie theater in his house. Those don’t come cheap!

  73. YANKEES June 27th, 2010 at 10:50 am

    How about we trade him?

  74. Doreen - GTLU Stuff & Photos June 27th, 2010 at 10:51 am

    Bronx Born -

    I read the book if only so that I could participate in the conversation. I had an open mind when I started it, because though I believed it was time for Torre and the Yankees to part ways, there were many things about his tenure that I liked very much. There were, of course, mistakes made, but no manager is perfect, and most managers are both credited and discredited disproportionatey — it is, after all, up to the players on the field to actually play the game.

    Much of the book was fine. But where lines were crossed, they were obliterated, not just smudged. It seemed to be a book conceived the in depths of hurt and bitterness. It seemed to indicated to me that Torre had succumbed to the belief in his public persona.

    It is inexusable to write, co-write or authorize a book like that when almost all the parties involved are still active. The motive seemed spite, not money. “I will get my side of the story out there.” Knowing that the Yankees do not operate that way – preferring to keep things in-house.

    The nonsense surrounding this Dodgers-Yankees series has ruined the series for me. It does look like Torre has missed the stage, doesn’t it?

  75. murphydog June 27th, 2010 at 10:51 am

    “I much prefer Morgan and Miller than the Fox team…I think they are better and also ESPN doesn’t block out games so I can just watch on online if they get too annoying….if you can ignore all the big red machine talk Morgan isn’t all that bad sometimes.”

    Remember the Flush Myth surrounding the SuperBowl:

    http://legendsrumors.blogspot......flush.html

    Well, I’d like to have a “talk back meter” to quantify how many epithets and curses are shouted at the TV during the ESPN Miller-Morgan moronathons, compared to the Fox sado-endurance test known as the Saturday Game of the Week.

  76. blake June 27th, 2010 at 10:54 am

    Morgan and Miller aren’t the greatest, but they are better than Mcarver and Buck IMO and I don’t HAVE to watch them as I do with FOX.

    They can’t trade AJ, even if he was pitching well its doubtful any team would take on his contract. Its best to be supportive and hope he can right the ship…anything else is non productive.

  77. murphydog June 27th, 2010 at 10:54 am

    “I see a double standard for AJ, compared to what was used for Javy. Joe’s babying AJ.”

    Can’t say you’re wrong.

    But it could be that AJ has a more fragile psyche than Javy. At the salaries these guys command, it’s not one-size-fits-all Joe McCarthy management anymore. But at some point, “tough love” will be applied.

  78. Fran (the original) and OPPC member June 27th, 2010 at 10:56 am

    The nonsense surrounding this Dodgers-Yankees series has ruined the series for me.
    *****************************
    Doreen,

    I feel the same way. Between this and the Subway Series last weekend, I’ll be happy to go back to “just plain baseball” on Tuesday.
    Oh and hope you are enjoying your trip.

  79. Doreen - GTLU Stuff & Photos June 27th, 2010 at 10:56 am

    Rich in NJ -

    I was ready to accept Joe being fired after 2006. Wasn’t that Murderer’s Row and then Cano year?

    2007 & the midges actually had me questioning his viability as a Yankees manager any more. I was still torn, though, as habits are hard to break, and Torre was a habit at that point. But clearly something had changed, and something was missing.

  80. Doreen - GTLU Stuff & Photos June 27th, 2010 at 10:59 am

    Fran (the original) -

    Thanks. It’s been very nice. I’m sitting by my mom’s pool, just thoroughly relaxing.

    But, I’m planning on doing GTLU tomorrow, so get ready!! :)

    (We came prepared with various electronic devices, so I’ve been keeping in touch here on my laptop, my daughter’s iPad and my iPod Touch. It’s over the top!!! :lol: )

  81. blake June 27th, 2010 at 11:00 am

    Murph,

    I think it would be a tightly contested race but my money would be on FOX in that one. Both are bad no question but at least with ESPN you can watch on another channel if you have the capability.
    Note: I’m talking about the Sunday night team, you bring in Sutcliffe and that changes everything….he’s the Air Jordan of bad broadcasters.

  82. JM June 27th, 2010 at 11:00 am

    #Roger(live from Amsterdam) June 27th, 2010 at 10:41 am
    What a game this is!

    Amazing half of football! Jurgen Klinsmann just said that the missed goal was “a disgrace” and I have to agree….

  83. m June 27th, 2010 at 11:00 am

    They stuck with Javy longer than everyone wanted them to. The difference was Javy’s stuff wasn’t there. From the beginning. Pile on top of that 2004.

    They won’t keep trotting A.J. out there if he keeps it up. Have faith like Girardi does.

  84. Bronx Born June 27th, 2010 at 11:00 am

    Hi Doreen, I agree the drama keeps escalating and that is not baseball. The media these days is too outside the lines and forgot that it is the game itself that counts. When I grew up sports reporting was about the game and not so much about the individuals. I must admit I miss that level of reporting. Probably why I come to the blog to listen to you, SJ, Murph, GB, CB, MTU and Randy and a few others to read your insights about the game. Much better stuff than what comes out in the papers.

  85. murphydog June 27th, 2010 at 11:00 am

    “The nonsense surrounding this Dodgers-Yankees series has ruined the series for me. It does look like Torre has missed the stage, doesn’t it?”

    Too true. A lot of driving looking in the rear view mirror. He seems concerned about protecting his Yankee legacy against ANY attack. Paranoid? Cowardly? He wrote the darn book, now he should take the lumps with as much equanimity as he took the money. Torre is a complex guy with a lot of warts, really old school. He’s more Cutty Sark than he is CIROC Ultra Premium. By contrast, Joe Girardi is Evian or Fruitopia. Nothing wrong with it, just two completely different schools of baseball.

  86. SJ44 June 27th, 2010 at 11:01 am

    Completely agree Doreen and Fran.

    To me, this is a sideshow series. Torre and his shills in the media suck the air out of the series with their revisionist history of the events that took place re: his departure.

    Just play tonight, off day tomorrow, and back to real baseball Tuesday night.

    No matter what happens tonight, they return home in first place.

    That’s all that matters to me.

    The rest of this stuff is just nonsense meant for the emotionally fragile and gullible to get sucked into all of the drama.

  87. murphydog June 27th, 2010 at 11:02 am

    “he’s the Air Jordan of bad broadcasters.”

    Wow. That’s some serious imagery :)

  88. Melkman is in Hotlanta June 27th, 2010 at 11:02 am

    Sounds like you have a beef with Torre? He must have upstaged you. Not enough hot air in your balloon hahahahah.

  89. Doreen - GTLU Stuff & Photos June 27th, 2010 at 11:06 am

    murphydog -

    Great analogies! I love Girardi as Fruitopia!!

    You are right. He wants to keep his cake and wants to eat it, too.

    Look, time will go by, and he will be recognized for all time by the Yankees for the part he played in those thrilling Dynasty years. I almost typed that it could have ended so much differently, but, you know, what? i don’t think so. This was never going to be a pretty breakup. The book, though? Yeesh.

  90. SJ44 June 27th, 2010 at 11:09 am

    Not only that murph but, he’s now using his friends in and out of the media who are still close to the Steinbrenners to try and “negotiate” a return to their good graces.

    Its all so calculating and phony. Its a turnoff.

    My $.02 about why Joe is sticking with AJ…..

    1. Trust. If any of you read what I wrote yesterday about what Cody Ross said about Girardi, you will see that Joe has real loyalty to his players. That’s why players love playing for him.

    Whatever fans may think of AJ today, the fact is, if he doesn’t win Game 2 in the WS last year, the chances the Yankees are wearing rings today are slim to none. That counts for something and a good manager has his players backs at ALL times…..even when things are rough. In fact, one could argue that a manager who has his players back during the tough times is when he’s at his best. Anybody can be a frontrunner.

    2. I think it does have something to do with psyche. Its not like AJ DOESN’T want to pitch well or isn’t trying. Did any of you see him on the bench yesterday? He wasn’t looking like a guy “happy to be out there”. He wants it BADLY. Its just not happening for him right now.

    3. He’s probably thinking, “If I can get him through this rough stretch, I have him in the right frame of mind for the second half”. One can disagree with that but, its certainly a logical POV.

    Personally, I would skip him a turn just to clear his head. Perhaps though Joe, who knows AJ better than I do, feels that would mess with his head more than help his head.

  91. murphydog June 27th, 2010 at 11:10 am

    I’m reading George Vecsey’s new History of Baseball book on my kindle. If you like to read, you need one of these readers kindle or nook or whatever.

    Vecsey makes a lot of great points in passing as he surges along with the history of the game, conversationally, like grandpa or uncle telling you the story. It’s a great read.

    One of his points was that night games started all the sportswriting we have today. Since you had early deadlines and couldn’t write about the game that was still to come, writers started delving into personalities and off field events to fill up the pages. Jump to a 24-7 news cycle with cable and internet capacity to fill with content and you have bad writing driving out good. That last part is me, not Mr. Vecsey. But I think he might privately agree.

  92. blake June 27th, 2010 at 11:11 am

    I agree with Doreen and others…its a shame the Torre circus has overshadowed what should have been a great series.

  93. upstate kate June 27th, 2010 at 11:12 am

    Hi Doreen
    glad to hear you are enjoying your vacation.

    I would give the edge to espn over fox. Buck annoys me to no end. National broadcasts should be impartial, yet Buck’s distain for the Yankees always shines thru. It appears neither do any original research, or provide insight into the game. Both get side tracked w/ other stories, that Reggie/Lasorda thing was ridiculous. espn did it last year w/ a Luis Tiant interview. Joe Morgan gets a pass from me as a long time Robbie supporter

  94. SJ44 June 27th, 2010 at 11:12 am

    Actually I don’t. Still get my invite every year to his Foundation dinner every year.

    Just don’t agree with his take on his departure from the team.

    Try again Melkman.

  95. Bronx Born June 27th, 2010 at 11:13 am

    I think AJ just has to pitch his way through it. A pitcher starts some 30+ games a season. Maybe AJ is just getting bad games out of his system. We know he has great stuff. He just has to pull it together and has to have the confidence to do so. The only way that happens is if the team has confidence in him and he has confidence in himself. The only solution is to pitch through it… the way out is the way through. Can’t back off.

  96. Nick in SF in Lake Tahoe June 27th, 2010 at 11:16 am

    “Why write that when you’re still in the game? Why not just wait a few years and write it when you retire? I just thought it showed no class and was a money grab…”

    You answered your own question. the book was more valuable when it came out than it would have been a couple years after Torre retires. And he can write another one then, if he wants to.

  97. upstate kate June 27th, 2010 at 11:18 am

    murphydog
    my son just purchased a kindle, thinking it would pay for itself b/c he could down load text books, and not have to lug all his books everywhere. He is loving it. He discovered you can download books published before a certain date for free. He is lifeguarding this summer, and has free time when he isn’t in the chair. He is reading all the old classics, Treasure Island, 20000 Leagues Under the Sea etc

  98. blake June 27th, 2010 at 11:19 am

    SJ,
    I agree that that’s probably it as well. If Girardi wants players to go to war for him then he knows he has to have their back when they struggle. He knows AJ is here for the long run and he knows that he needs AJ to know that he believes in him.

    Its the same reason Torre shouldn’t have hit Arod 8th…it wasn’t just about that game. I wouldn’t mind them skipping him a start either but I understand the reasoning behind it if they don’t.

  99. Yankee Trader June 27th, 2010 at 11:20 am

    Watching AJ in the first inning he was throwing first pitch strikes, with an effective curveball, and one single was a broken bat single. However, once they lay off the curve, his only other pitch is the fastball. The velocity and movement was there, and the first homerun was pitched to where Cervelli had his glove.

    Is he tipping his pitches? Is it the lack of a trustworthy 3rd pitch? Since he wants to get out there and throw right away, and with the All Star break coming up soon, would he benefit from a short stint in the bullpen?

  100. Shame Spencer June 27th, 2010 at 11:23 am

    “It does look like Torre has missed the stage, doesn’t it?”

    LOVE it Doreen. Keep bringin’ the sass!

  101. Truth June 27th, 2010 at 11:23 am

    “Not only that murph but, he’s now using his friends in and out of the media who are still close to the Steinbrenners to try and “negotiate” a return to their good graces.

    Its all so calculating and phony. Its a turnoff.”

    You know Torre oh so well.

  102. CRAWDADDY (Boycott ESPN-NY) June 27th, 2010 at 11:24 am

    “Not only that murph but, he’s now using his friends in and out of the media who are still close to the Steinbrenners to try and “negotiate” a return to their good graces.”

    SJ44,

    Which Torre friends in the media are you talking about?

  103. Joe from Long Island June 27th, 2010 at 11:24 am

    Good morning, all –

    1. Don’t you just love revisionist history? I was so happy I could mute the TV last night. Although my ears were spared the FOX audio, I still had to watch not only AJ lose again, but the sideshow that FOX trotted out. At least John and Suzyn covered the game, instead of the Joe Torre lovefest.

    2. If Joe Girardi can be loyal, and give every opportunity to Kyle Farnsworth to right himself, he can do the same thing for AJ Burnett. Kyle didn’t win any big games that I can remember. AJ was very big last year when it counted. WS Game 2 was the biggest, most critical game of 2009 for the Yankees, and AJ came up very clutch. Darn right, Joe’s going to give him every chance to get it together.

    How Joe gets AJ right, or rather AJ gets AJ right, is up to AJ and Joe, Mike Harkey and Tony Pena. I’m not going to pretend I can see something they can’t. If they think the best thing is to keep running him out there, every 5th day, then I’m not going to say I know better. If they still believe in AJ’s ability to turn it around, then so can I. The man does have a track record, when it counted.

  104. Fran (the original) and OPPC member June 27th, 2010 at 11:26 am

    But, I’m planning on doing GTLU tomorrow, so get ready!!
    *******************************
    Doreen,

    I am already thinking up my line-up for Tuesday ;)
    Enjoy your trip.

  105. pat June 27th, 2010 at 11:26 am

    I said Friday I wished they could play a triple header and get out of “Dodge” and it still stands.

    The passive/agressive stuff from Joe Torre this weekend has annoyed me the most. If you say it, own it. Too much tap dancing for my liking.

    Mattingly has been smart to lay low and avoid getting caught up in the Torre/Yankee drama this weekend. Good for him.

  106. pat June 27th, 2010 at 11:30 am

    “It does look like Torre has missed the stage, doesn’t it?”

    Somewhere between 1996 and 2007, Torre started enjoying being Manager of the Yankees more than managing the Yankees.

  107. Erin June 27th, 2010 at 11:31 am

    I am SO happy today is the last game in the Dodgers series. I’m sick of the Torre lovefest.

    He really doesn’t get why Alex and Cashman are upset with him?? Give me break. :roll:

  108. Fran (the original) and OPPC member June 27th, 2010 at 11:31 am

    1. Trust. If any of you read what I wrote yesterday about what Cody Ross said about Girardi, you will see that Joe has real loyalty to his players. That’s why players love playing for him.
    ***************************
    SJ,

    Girardi must have been a breath of fresh air for Alex. Must be nice for him playing for a manager that doesn’t throw him under the bus. IMO this was a factor in Alex’s terrific post season last year.

    Hope Tony is doing well.

  109. Shame Spencer June 27th, 2010 at 11:31 am

    Did you guys hear Torre say the thing about A-Fraud? How he didn’t call him that and ARod knew the guys called him that sorta like a friendly joke??

    Its stuff like that that gets under peoples skin with Torre. We’re all really supposed to believe the guys in the Yankees clubhouse called ARod ‘A-Fraud’ the way they call Mariano ‘Mo’??

  110. SJ44 June 27th, 2010 at 11:37 am

    Fran,

    Very true re: Alex and Joe. Tony is doing great thanks. He’s ornery and bored. Which means he’s getting better! lol

    If Torre really wanted to make amends with Alex, all he had to do was meet with him privately this weekend. Out of the sight of cameras and reporters and not tell anybody about it.

    Instead, he tried to turn it into a show and Alex correctly wanted no part of it.

  111. Truth June 27th, 2010 at 11:38 am

    The media circus (Torre vs Yankees) was over after the 1st game. By the way, Yes only showed Girardi with Torre. The Core 4 hugging and shaking hands with Torre was only shown on ESPN. Petty stuff.
    So while Torre handled things very, very poorly the Yankees did nothing wrong.
    Many see only the negative regarding Torre and give him NO credit for the years he was here.
    Thank you Core 4.

  112. spidanyc June 27th, 2010 at 11:40 am

    AJ Burnett for Carlos Zambrano straight up anyone? Zambrano has less years remaining on his contract. Our new rotation would look as follows: CC, Hughes, Pettitte, Vasquez & Zambrano. Maybe a change of scenery for Zambrano will benefit him.

  113. Nick in SF in Lake Tahoe June 27th, 2010 at 11:42 am

    Jagger is displeased.

  114. MTS June 27th, 2010 at 11:42 am

    We’re all really supposed to believe the guys in the Yankees clubhouse called ARod ‘A-Fraud’ the way they call Mariano ‘Mo’??
    _____________

    What’s unbelieveable about that? Your friends don’t have a mean nickname for you?

  115. CRAWDADDY (Boycott ESPN-NY) June 27th, 2010 at 11:45 am

    SJ,

    Which Torre friends in the media still has close ties to the Steinbrenners?

  116. Nick in SF in Lake Tahoe June 27th, 2010 at 11:46 am

    Roo-Fruad?

  117. Truth June 27th, 2010 at 11:46 am

    Burnett for Zambrano? Hell no. Posada would lay him out the 1st time he acted up.

    AJ is pitching horribly but he is a good guy, Zambrano is a nut case.

  118. pat June 27th, 2010 at 11:47 am

    “We’re all really supposed to believe the guys in the Yankees clubhouse called ARod ‘A-Fraud’ the way they call Mariano ‘Mo’??”

    Bowa said it to his face and Alex appears to have the utmost respect for him but it started somewhere before Bowa and that appears to be the where the stories don’t line up.

    I’m a say what you want to me straight up and I’ll deal with it person. Say it behind my back and we’ve got issues.

    Seems Alex is the same way. Wanting to know who has your back and who would stick in a knife in it is important info to have.

    Truth-

    Everyone gave Torre credit for bringing 4 championships to NY. Did for all the years he was in NY and continue to give him credit for it today. However, that shouldn’t be a get out of jail free card for any transgressions he may have committed in perpetuity. If you want the “atta boys”, you need to accept the “oh shoots”.

  119. Nick in SF in Lake Tahoe June 27th, 2010 at 11:47 am

    That would be the Afrikaaner spelling.

  120. Truth June 27th, 2010 at 11:49 am

    “What’s unbelieveable about that? Your friends don’t have a mean nickname for you?”

    What’s said in the clubhouse stays in the clubhouse. Sarcasm.

  121. raymagnetic June 27th, 2010 at 11:52 am

    Heard from around sports:

    “I thought AJ had supernatural stuff yesterday”

    Ian Kennedy

    “AJ don’t need no stinking practice”

    Allen Iverson

    “AJ is what we thought he was”

    Dennis Green

    “PLAYOFFS?!!??!! Don’t talk about AJ in no playoffs! I just hope he can win a game!”

    Jim Mora

    “You play to win the game. Hello! You play to win the game”

    Herm Edwards

  122. Truth June 27th, 2010 at 11:52 am

    “Everyone gave Torre credit for bringing 4 championships to NY. Did for all the years he was in NY and continue to give him credit for it today. However, that shouldn’t be a get out of jail free card for any transgressions he may have committed in perpetuity. If you want the “atta boys”, you need to accept the “oh shoots”

    Read the comments on this blog. Not many positive comments about Torre.

  123. RMS June 27th, 2010 at 11:54 am

    raymagnetic

    Funny stuff.

  124. Yoda June 27th, 2010 at 11:56 am

    Man, this website is really dying of a slow death!

  125. GreenBeret7 June 27th, 2010 at 11:57 am

    On a happier note, for those that missed it last night, Montero was 3-6 with a blast just left of center field in Scranton in a 13 inning 2-1 win. He’s starting to hit like he had always hit. In the last 8 games, he’s had 3 hit games 3 times. Just as importantly, his defense has settled down over the last 2 weeks. Here’s his numbers lately.

    http://web.minorleaguebaseball.....pid=524968

  126. Matt June 27th, 2010 at 11:59 am

    m,

    You say you’re having an increasingly hard time being nice to me because I proved you wrong? Well no wonder we can’t have a real discussion around here without people getting insulted- there is no open mindedness.

    You said it was the “year of the pitcher,” and I posted stats showing you that offense in the American League is actually on the same pace for runs scored as last year. Offense is always down in the first half relative to the second half, as hitters are a bit rustier early on and the weather is colder. That’s what happens when you use small sample sizes like the number of no hitters to make blanket statements about the entire league.

    Like I’m saying, it’s a catchy story for the media to jump on, but it’s simply not true. No hitters and perfect games are a low probability event, but even low probability events by chance can end up bunched together in time. It’s a statistical anomaly for sure, but it doesn’t mean that pitching is any more dominant than it has been in the past, it’s just 4 games out of the 73*15 or so games played around the league, which is less than 1%.

  127. Erin June 27th, 2010 at 12:06 pm

    New Post: Making a list but not yet checking it twice

    :arrow:

  128. pat June 27th, 2010 at 12:19 pm

    “Read the comments on this blog. Not many positive comments about Torre.”

    How many of the negative comments have anything to do with winning 4 championships?

    The negative comes from how he handled players and Alex in particular, his departure from NY and the revisionist history of both.

    Cashman wearing his GM hat said this week that Torre is welcome at the Stadium anytime and what Joe contributed to the Yankees winning 4 WS shouldn’t be discounted.

    Wearing his Brian Cashman hat, he said no comment when asked about Joe Torre.

    The Truth is (see what I did there :wink:) the praise and scorn are both earned and deserved.

  129. BIG AL June 27th, 2010 at 12:27 pm

    By every account AJ is a terrific person and teammate. If Girardi and the Yankees believe in him, we should give them a chance to straighten him out. with the absence of Eiland, perhaps Girardi should ask Mo to work with AJ, if he hasn’t already. As long as AJ is a Yankee, I’ll root for his success. I too get very frustrated when he loses command, but, his lack of success does not come because he lacks the effort. I still remember last years WS, and without AJ, the Yankees don’t get #27. It’s always easy to kick a guy when he’s down, and cheer for a winner, but, real fans stick by their team, win or lose.

  130. cs in la June 27th, 2010 at 12:40 pm

    Good post Big Al. I’m with you. Its a long season and this will get straightened out, but without the team having his back, its a slippery slope.

  131. Ken June 27th, 2010 at 12:40 pm

    The sad thing is we are stuck with this overpaid bum and his untradeable contract for several more years… I really dont know what Cashman was thinking. Did he think an average, unpredictable pitcher would suddently turn the corner at age 30 ?

  132. Ken June 27th, 2010 at 12:42 pm

    I had no issue signing Burnett but paying him that boat load of money made no sense. I know the Yankees can eat any contract but still … you need to excercise a certain degree of fiscal sense when handing out a contract.

  133. cs in la June 27th, 2010 at 1:24 pm

    “Overpaid bum”? Seriously? Where were you last October?

    Pavano yes. Burnett no.

    Get a grip on yourself.

  134. Pinstripe4Life June 27th, 2010 at 3:45 pm

    Burnett has to learn how to become a pitcher. It’s about minimizing the damage when you don’t have your best stuff. Look at Andy as the best example. A guy who knows how to pitch out of jams. So far AJ hasn’t shown the capability to pitch himself out of trouble. No pitcher has their A stuff every game, but they have to go out and compete, and use the field to their advantage, execute pitches, and work the zone. He might as well be named Nuke Laloosh, a million dollar arm, and a ten cent head.

  135. Pepitone June 27th, 2010 at 3:58 pm

    Burnett:
    “I wish there was a way I could get out there tomorrow and throw,” Burnett said. “I can’t wait to pitch my next start.”

    Ummmmm…

    Hitters can’t wait till your next start either Bucko.

  136. Ken June 28th, 2010 at 9:32 am

    I hate AJ. Always did…always will. Theres nothing to like about a mental midget who occasionally shows up for work.

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