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All-star outfielder: Gardner or Swisher?

Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Misc on Jun 28, 2010 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

Phillies Yankees BaseballAt this point, Derek Jeter and Robinson Cano seem to be locks for the All-Star Game. We’ve spent plenty of time discussing the merits of Phil Hughes and Andy Pettitte as starting pitcher options, and Mariano Rivera might be having the best season of his career.

But two Yankees outfielders have somewhat quietly put up all-star caliber numbers.

Brett Gardner might be a real dark horse candidate, especially given Joe Girardi’s stated preference for players he knows can help him win the game. As an email from Robert pointed out: “A player who can get on base, get into scoring position, and come home on any ball put in play could easily make the difference between winning and losing.”

Gardner leads all American League outfielders in on-base percentage. He’s third in runs, fourth in stolen bases and fourth in batting average.

Swisher is beating Gardner in the fan voting — no real surprise there — and he has the 10th-most home runs and the eighth-most RBI of any AL outfielder. He’s seventh in slugging percentage and 10th in on-base percentage.

If you were Joe Girardi and you had room on the roster for two outfielders, would you take the Yankees? If you could take only one, which would it be?

Associated Press photo of Swisher trying to vote twice.

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267 Responses to “All-star outfielder: Gardner or Swisher?”

  1. robix June 28th, 2010 at 8:03 pm

    Gardner, easily. If the AL gets in a late inning jam and need a SB, you can throw him on. He’s much more useful in that capacity than Swish.

  2. GreenBeret7 June 28th, 2010 at 8:06 pm

    Eduardo Nunez gives Scranton a 3-2 lead with a 3 run homer to right field, who was 12-4 for the Twins in 2008.

    Montero is 0-2.

  3. RalphieD (OPPC) June 28th, 2010 at 8:06 pm

    i can see it now….

    gardner is on 1st late in the game

    AL down by a run…

    gardner doesnt steal and yankee fans go nuts…

    “he has no instincts” “he doesnt use his speed” “hes a slap hittah bring back the melkman, he got a hit off teh strazzzzbergggg”

  4. LGY June 28th, 2010 at 8:07 pm

    “it’s not about what he’s done (what have any of these youngsters done), but what he is expected to do.”

    ———————————————

    Betsy,

    This is exactly right and why locking up Phil will be something Cashman will seriously consider.

    His injuries are not really a concern because they weren’t arm related and he is PHenomenal shape now.

    Phil’s stuff, pedigree, mechanics, realistic projection (I say realistic because of how he is pitching this year as compared to some top prospect in the minors), etc all point to him being a guy you can build a rotation around long term.

  5. Adam in Blacksburg June 28th, 2010 at 8:11 pm

    I love Swish and all the things he does for the team (as much in the clubhouse as on the field), but I’d absolutely give the edge to Gardner. I just love the way that guy plays the game.

  6. Betsy - Hughes rules (pleading the Fifth) June 28th, 2010 at 8:14 pm

    LGY, yep. Phil’s injuries were rather flukish and he seems as sound as a dollar now. He’s a big, strong kid with the perfect pitcher’s build; he’s got great, repeatable mechanics and he’s got a great head on his shoulders. He’s just a very mature kid who is good with the media as well. Whether they lock him up this year or next, they’re going to do it

  7. Jim June 28th, 2010 at 8:14 pm

    Swisher admitted that he was over-matched last year in the playoffs by superior pitching. He’s done some admirable work bridging that gap this year but if I had to choose between the two I would take Gardner because he’s a guy Joe can sit on the bench to either pinch hit to lead off an inning or pinch run late.

  8. Betsy - Hughes rules (pleading the Fifth) June 28th, 2010 at 8:16 pm

    Boy, tough call – I’d probably go with Gardner

  9. LGY June 28th, 2010 at 8:20 pm

    ray,

    Jorge has nothing to do with Phil Hughes. The Yankees have a policy with pending free agents to go to the last year. That has nothing to do with dealing with player’s in arbitration. It is a completely different and not comparable process or situation.

    And Wang had nothing to do with Burnett. They had an open spot in their rotation, so they signed a FA. Wang was an arbitration player who the Yankees decided to go year to year with, because they did not feel comfortable getting tied to a long term contract with a sinkerballer with arm injury concerns.

    What does the money Burnett made or the contract he signed have to do with Wang?

    The risk with signing Wang was much larger than Hughes and the benefit was not nearly as high.

    The comparable is Cano. Young stud you can build an offense around. Phil: young stud you can build a rotation around. These other player’s or older free agents are not relevant to this situation.

  10. THE TRUTH June 28th, 2010 at 8:21 pm

    Swisher, IMO.

    Repost: Is Nunez the future Yankees SS or current trade bait?

  11. Matt Jr. June 28th, 2010 at 8:23 pm

    The problem with these blog editors is that they don’t post enough team information on off days. They don’t put pressure on the readers to learn and they leave us without knowing whats going on with the team. Did they take batting practice today? These are essential pieces of information. If they took batting practice did they work on going deep into counts and working the opposing pitchers? Did the pitchers practice never making mistakes with their pitches…..did the fielders practice throwing to the right bases and playing fundamental defense? If they didn’t then they are just being useless and not playing smart baseball.

    How are we supposed to know if the Yankees are working towards not losing the rest of the season if the writers here don’t tell us? Come on guys, do better.

  12. GeorgeInJax June 28th, 2010 at 8:26 pm

    I have to smile at all the love Gardner is getting after all the stuff that was spewed against him being a big league outfielder before the season.

    Both BG & Swish have done a great job.

    I would also say Gardner, only because his speed is quite a rare commodity and can be applied in a key spot to set up a run.

  13. Dylan June 28th, 2010 at 8:26 pm

    Definitely Gardy. Swish is great, don’t get me wrong, but its incredible what Gardner has done this year. He is the best leadoff hitter in the game (even though he bats 8th or 9th). He is going to steal 50 bases, he is hitting .321, he has an OBP of over .400, plus he is the best defensive outfielder on the team. Its incredible how much he has improved as a hitter. Gardy, Cano, and Swisher carried this team offensively for the first 2 months of the season. I think the main reason I would pick Gardy, is because he is great at what he does. Swisher is very good at everything, but isn’t great at anything. Gardner has elite speed, is great at working pitchers, and is great in the outfield. I hope they both go, but if I have to pick one its Gardy.

  14. leon June 28th, 2010 at 8:28 pm

    check out die-hard kid fan, classic

    kids reaction to yankees win at arizona:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8-92KLYtLuk

  15. Giuseppe Franco June 28th, 2010 at 8:29 pm

    Repost: Is Nunez the future Yankees SS or current trade bait?

    ————-

    I think he stays in the organization and probably replaces Pena as the utility middle infielder next season.

    Pena and Nunez in Trenton are trade bait.

  16. Betsy - Hughes rules (pleading the Fifth) June 28th, 2010 at 8:30 pm

    Let’s hope Brett doesn’t feel any aftereffects of the HBP………

  17. blake June 28th, 2010 at 8:32 pm

    I think it all depends on the circumstances with Nunez…I don’t think they will trade him unless the return is pretty substantial.. …don’t think he’ll be moved for a bench player or bullpen guy or anything like that.

    Hudson matching Strasburg so far.

  18. rb June 28th, 2010 at 8:33 pm

    If it weren’t for the game determining HFA, I’d say Swisher – but with HFA on the line, I suppose I’d have to say Gardner. He can cause havoc on the basepaths.

  19. Chip June 28th, 2010 at 8:33 pm

    I would say Swisher, but with 5 Yankees already locks (Jeter, Cano, Mo, Andy, Hughes) I could see a scenario where neither of them go.

    By the way, speaking of the All Star Game – with all the talk about whether Strasburg has enough time in the majors to go or not – I’ve got a couple of changes I would like to see made to the whole All Star festival:

    1. Home Run Derby should be open to the entire league, whether they make the All Star game or not. Guys like Adam Dunn, Mark Reynolds, Josh Hamilton should be staples. Pujols has already said he’s not doing it and I’m sure other players will follow suit, which inevitably leaves you with some really odd selections for that night.

    2. All Star game should count for nothing. Bud completely overreacted to the tie.

    3. Add two more spots to each team; one for a “Rising Star” and one for a “Legend” so for example, this year’s NL team would have a guy like Strasburg in the Rising Star spot and Chipper Jones in the Legend spot without someone deserving losing a spot. For the AL you could have Jim Thome as the Legend and Carlos Santana as the Rising Star.

    4. Do away with the notion that every team needs a representative. No one watches Royals games, having Billy Butler or Jose Guillen at the All Star game isn’t going to change that.

  20. the gay Yankee fan June 28th, 2010 at 8:33 pm

    Gardner for me as well. Swisher is very good and I love him but he isn’t nearly as exciting to watch as Brett say as in he’s trying to score from first as the tying or winning run in the bottom of the ninth against a strong armed NL outfielder.

    That get every fan in the ballpark on the feet.

  21. Chip June 28th, 2010 at 8:36 pm

    I can’t help it, everytime I see the Nationals play I think to myself – “my gosh, imagine what Adam Dunn would do if he called Yankee Stadium home?”

    My ultimate just for fun lineup next year would be:

    Jeter
    Swisher
    Tex
    Dunn – dh
    Alex
    Hamilton – lf
    Cano
    Posada
    Granderson

    quite obviously this will not happen, but imagine going to see BP with Dunn and Hamilton on the Yankees….

  22. blake June 28th, 2010 at 8:37 pm

    Chip,

    at the very least either #2 or #4 need to go. You can’t have the game count and have to take a player from each team at the same time. I also agree that the HR derby should be open to everyone.

  23. blake June 28th, 2010 at 8:37 pm

    Chip,

    at the very least either #2 or #4 need to go. You can’t have the game count and have to take a player from each team at the same time. I also agree that the HR derby should be open to everyone.

  24. Rishi June 28th, 2010 at 8:39 pm

    LOS ANGELES — Very often, Alex Rodriguez has been self-centered, egotistical, petty and even infuriating.

    Sunday afternoon at Dodger Stadium, he was something he rarely is. Big. Mature. Noble, even.

    [+] EnlargeChris Williams/Icon SMI
    Alex Rodriguez had a lot to smile about this weekend in Los Angeles.

    Certainly, he came off as a bigger man than Joe Torre, who is twice his age and many times more experienced and worldly.

    All weekend, Torre talked about how he had no hard feelings toward Rodriguez, how he hoped that Rodriguez held none toward him and how he would “certainly go over and shake his hand.”

    Torre talked and talked and talked. But Rodriguez was the one who acted.

    And whether you think it was staged or not — Rodriguez was seen huddling with Yankees media relations director Jason Zillo up the right-field line before suddenly turning and bolting with his hand outstretched toward Torre — the fact is, A-Rod made the first move.

    Heck, A-Rod made the only move. And for that, he deserves some credit.

    http://sports.espn.go.com/new-.....id=5335579

  25. Giuseppe Franco June 28th, 2010 at 8:44 pm

    Now Victor Martinez is going to the DL. No surprise there.

    I don’t care how well the Red Sox have played the past month. Those injuries are going to catch up to them sooner or later.

    And now they don’t have any NL teams to feast on the rest of the year so they are going to have to do it against AL competition and on the road.

    Sucks for them. LOL.

  26. Carl June 28th, 2010 at 8:45 pm

    Please please please stop posting Wally Mathews and ESPN NY here.

  27. blake June 28th, 2010 at 8:47 pm

    I agree, its going to be tough for the Sox. The loss of Pedroia hurts the most IMO….the Yankees really need to take advantage and try and put some distance between them and the Sox while they are beat up.

  28. Chip June 28th, 2010 at 8:47 pm

    Blake -

    I agree; and you can’t treat the game like an exhibition and then be annoyed at the players and managers for playing it as if it’s an exhibition.

    Franco –

    I hope you’re right. My concern is very similar to a few years ago when the Yankees had a bunch of injuries and the Sox just couldn’t shake them and the feeling in Boston was, “uh-oh, when this team gets healthy they’re going to close in fast.” I am concerned that the roles are now reversed.

    Bottom line though is that if Tex, CC and Alex are really turning it around and Cano, Andy and Hughes continue to play as they have then the Yankees will be fine.

  29. Great.... June 28th, 2010 at 8:50 pm

    Josh Hamilton has already said he wants nothing to do with the HR derby. While it is fun to watch a lot of the players feel it affects their swings to the detriment of the season.

    They had invited Giambi to the HR derby at Yankee Stadium and he declined if he wasn’t going to the All Star Game itself.

    I really think they should do away with the game giving HFA. Even though I don’t think there is all that much of an advantage to it.

  30. Patrick June 28th, 2010 at 8:51 pm

    I’d pick Brett Gardner, if only to be a pinch runner late in the game.

  31. NumberOnePositivePosterInTheUniverse June 28th, 2010 at 8:52 pm

    Betsy, I have to go with your choice, it makes the most sense, but it is a tough call. You watch enough games and no more than just about every Yankee fan I know.

    I think you should be given credit for the betterment and advancement of Yankee statistical baseball knowledge to a layman fan like myself.

    Betsy, I have a question, Strasburg or Hughes?

  32. Rishi June 28th, 2010 at 8:52 pm

    wow, dude – if you don’t want to read something, just ignore…I do it all the time

  33. ty June 28th, 2010 at 8:53 pm

    The more injuries the Sucks have, the better they seem to play.

  34. pat June 28th, 2010 at 8:54 pm

    “Josh Hamilton has already said he wants nothing to do with the HR derby. While it is fun to watch a lot of the players feel it affects their swings to the detriment of the season. ”

    Vote for Youkilis, Pena and Cabrera! :smile:

  35. blake June 28th, 2010 at 8:54 pm

    Strasburg and Hudson both throwing shutouts but Strasburg is at 61 pitches and Hudson just broke 100.

  36. Joe from Long Island June 28th, 2010 at 8:55 pm

    My opinion – If I could only pick one, I’d pick Swish.

    He’s the veteran, Brett the young guy. Because you never know what the future holds, I’d go with Nick. He may never get another shot. While you can say the same thing about Brett, Brett has more seasons to look forward to.

    Both have made pretty good cases to be All Stars.

  37. blake June 28th, 2010 at 8:55 pm

    They should have a 60 yard dash in addition to the HR derby…..Name a HR champion and fastest guy in baseball.

  38. Great.... June 28th, 2010 at 8:56 pm

    The Sox aren’t going to rely on Veritek catching most of the games if VMart is out for a length of time. The loss of Pedroia and Martinez is a big one two punch, and they have some outfield weakness as well.

    It will be interesting to see how they work things out. Trading for some positions makes it tough if they aren’t going to need them when the players come back.

  39. GeorgeInJax June 28th, 2010 at 8:56 pm

    Yeah, the injuries are catching up to the Sox, fortunately we weathered injuries pretty well to date.

    It bodes pretty well for the Yanks if A.J. gets it together again.

    The Rays have finally come back to earth. They are still a a very good team, but they were really overachieving.

  40. blake June 28th, 2010 at 8:57 pm

    I nominate Jonathon Papelbon to the not All-Star team.

  41. Betsy - Hughes rules (pleading the Fifth) June 28th, 2010 at 8:57 pm

    I think the Sox are still going to hang tough. The Yanks have played just over .500 ball for over a month now…………..that’s not going to cut it in terms of putting distance between the Sox, Rays, etc..c.

  42. Great.... June 28th, 2010 at 8:57 pm

    blake, I like that idea, it would be fun to see who can win the sprint.

  43. Betsy - Hughes rules (pleading the Fifth) June 28th, 2010 at 8:58 pm

    Blake, I would actually watch that……

  44. SJ44 June 28th, 2010 at 8:58 pm

    Yeah, they played great on the west coast swing ty.

    3-3 and needed a Pedroia career game to not get swept in Colorado.

    We missed you last night in the 9th and 10th innings after you declared the game “over” earlier and spent all night praising your Red Sox.

    I never cease to be amazed at the number of Red Sox fans who live on this blog.

  45. blake June 28th, 2010 at 8:58 pm

    They would never do it because of fear of injury I don’t think but it would be really fun to watch I think.

  46. Giuseppe Franco June 28th, 2010 at 8:58 pm

    Chip,

    For about a decade, the Yanks have been a better second half team than the Red Sox. It seems like every year (well, perhaps for the exception of 2008) the Yanks surge in the second half and the Sox have more issues getting to the regular season finish line.

    I could see the Yankee pitching taking a bit of a dip but the offense scoring more runs.

    I worry more about the Rays than I do the Red Sox. They’ve been in an extended funk for awhile now and they are too talented not to rebound and go on another extended streak of very good baseball.

  47. Great.... June 28th, 2010 at 8:59 pm

    This year the Sox are having reminds me of when Hideki and Sheffield got injured. The Yankees still did OK, but not great. Those type of injuries to key players is really tough to overcome.

  48. Carl June 28th, 2010 at 9:01 pm

    Man this ump is so bad

  49. Betsy - Hughes rules (pleading the Fifth) June 28th, 2010 at 9:02 pm

    Where’s Buster’s column about these Yankees reminding him of the 1998 Yankees? LOL. Where is his column asking about what’s happened to the Rays? Oops, he hasn’t written them. Clown.

  50. SJ44 June 28th, 2010 at 9:02 pm

    The Yankees are 16-7 in June.

    They are always a second half team.

    I’d say they are in good shape.

    Meanwhile, Strasburg is putting on another show.

    Six shutout innings in Atlanta.

  51. blake June 28th, 2010 at 9:03 pm

    SJ,

    Kemp isn’t in the Dodgers lineup again tonight according the gameday….any idea whats going on there? Is he hurt, in the doghouse?

  52. Betsy - Hughes rules (pleading the Fifth) June 28th, 2010 at 9:03 pm

    You’re right Blake ; there has to be something else they can do. What about a throwing contest?

  53. Betsy - Hughes rules (pleading the Fifth) June 28th, 2010 at 9:04 pm

    I used to love watching Winfield and Barfield throw from RF to third base on the fly…….

    I really just watch the game when Yankee players are up, but I still love the idea of it, with all the great players getting to hang out and just have fun.

  54. blake June 28th, 2010 at 9:05 pm

    “Meanwhile, Strasburg is putting on another show.

    Six shutout innings in Atlanta.”

    68 pitches through 6…he’s really something. The command and efficiency is as impressive if not more so than his actual stuff for a kid that age.

  55. SJ44 June 28th, 2010 at 9:05 pm

    Blake,

    Doghouse. He’s hitting almost .500 in his career against Zito.

    Not being in the lineup is Torre’s way to send him a message re: his effort needing to improve.

  56. JM June 28th, 2010 at 9:09 pm

    This is a good post by Joe Posnanski about how the long season in baseball pretty much separates the really good players from the pretenders….

    http://joeposnanski.si.com/201.....ng-season/

  57. blake June 28th, 2010 at 9:10 pm

    “Doghouse. He’s hitting almost .500 in his career against Zito.”

    wonder if he’ll see any ex Yankees in there…Gammons and Rosenthal (I know, grain of salt) were talking like there may be a real possibility that they move him due to the fact that the organization appears to have soured on him and his defense has declined so much…

  58. JM June 28th, 2010 at 9:11 pm

    The NY Times has a rumor that LeBron and Chris Bosh to the Bulls is “a done deal.” We shall see.

  59. stuckey June 28th, 2010 at 9:12 pm

    I probably won’t even watch the All-Star game, but if Strasburg isn’t there, MLB doesn’t even know what it’s own game is supposed to be.

    Him going up against 3 or 4 of the best hitters the AL has to offer, on a national stage.

    The ratings will be highest for that 15 minutes and quickly decline when he comes out.

    People want to see it. That’s the whole point.

  60. Betsy - Hughes rules (pleading the Fifth) June 28th, 2010 at 9:13 pm

    I just skimmed the article, but I thought the part about Weiters was interesting……….the point being, at some point the hype stops and the player has to produce.

  61. NumberOnePositivePosterInTheUniverse June 28th, 2010 at 9:15 pm

    Betsy, yeah, I loved watching Barfield and Winfield too. I remember those times fondly, Betsy. They were awesome because I can go to the Yankee ticket window and always get a seat, I was a kid, but I loved the upper level and the funny smelling cigarettes.

    Did you like those funny smelling cigarettes too? I never tried that stuff because I believed Nancy Reagan and always said “no”.

  62. SJ44 June 28th, 2010 at 9:17 pm

    Stephen A. Smith said today LeBron and Bosh were a “done deal” to Miami today.

    I think all of these guys are just throwing stuff against the wall, hope it sticks, then say they “broke the story” if true.

    Besides LeBron, there is only ONE guy on the planet that knows where he is going…..

    Worldwide Wes.

    Neither LeBron or WW Wes are talkin’ to anybody so, nobody has any inside track on this.

  63. Betsy - Hughes rules (pleading the Fifth) June 28th, 2010 at 9:19 pm

    http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/s.....rent-paths

    I’m not about to sing AJ’s death knell just yet……..I sort of agree with Klapisch about the rotation, though I’m not as negative. I don’t expect Andy to keep pitching like this, but neither do I think he’s going to fall off a cliff. Phil? I think too much is being made of innings limits; it’s not like he’s going to be skipped THAT many times……….. I’d be more concerned with fatigue and dealing with AL East teams numerous times.

  64. Betsy - Hughes rules (pleading the Fifth) June 28th, 2010 at 9:21 pm

    The Knicks are going to get shut out; they have all this $$ and no one wants it. I don’t blame Lebron or anyone else. Dolan is a nightmare, the team is years away from winning…………I hardly think MSG is sufficient to attract anyone.

  65. sevrox June 28th, 2010 at 9:21 pm

    NumberOnePositivePosterInTheUniverse

    I know you’re stalking Betsy like a mofo – but I think you’re funny as heLL.

    Yanks are sitting pretty – look for them to do some real damage back in the friendly confines.

    ts

  66. NumberOnePositivePosterInTheUniverse June 28th, 2010 at 9:22 pm

    Yeah Stephen A. Smith is a pretty crappy source. I was also hearing Bosh might go to Miami. Maybe Stephen A figures if he says everyone is going to Miami then he can focus on what he got right and forget what he got wrong.

  67. Betsy - Hughes rules (pleading the Fifth) June 28th, 2010 at 9:23 pm

    Really, Sevrox? You think that’s funny? That’s nice – maybe someone should try stalking you – see how that feels.

  68. NumberOnePositivePosterInTheUniverse June 28th, 2010 at 9:26 pm

    Betsy, wow, I had no idea you knew basketball too. You are like sports oracle. I agree with you 100%, why would Lebron come to New York? He already knows how badly they treated Marbury, he would sell his $10 sneakers to all the poor kids, and the Dolans planted that girl and made her say she had sex with Starbury.

    The Dolans may have money, but Lebron is after money AND a good owner that visits cancer kids. I was thinking the same thing as you, but not until you said it did I feel validated.

    Great job!

  69. pat June 28th, 2010 at 9:26 pm

    ESPN is making the possibility of Strasburg losing 2 games in a row sound like a national nightmare.

  70. SJ44 June 28th, 2010 at 9:26 pm

    Andy has always been a second half pitcher.

    Why can’t he keep it up?

    He’s pitched this well since the second half of last year.

    He isn’t just going to lose it. Neither is Hughes and CC is always a beast in the second half.

    The Yankees aren’t falling off a cliff in the second half.

    In fact, given their history, the odds are pretty strong they will even be better in the second half.

    Especially since they are a dominant home team and have player fewer home games than either the Sox or Rays.

  71. stuckey June 28th, 2010 at 9:27 pm

    Knicks are going to get Lebron James and someone else, might not be Bosh. Might be Joe Johnson, might be Tony Parker, but the writing is on the wall if one can look at the obvious media manipulation going on.

    The media right now is practically DARING James to sign in NY. They’ve anointed Chicago and Miami as his best landing spots. His inner circle are all leaking “info” to the press as to where he’s leaning, jockeying for position, and in effect, making James look like a pawn of his handlers and the media.

    They more ink I see on Chicago and Miami, the more I think James is going to stand up, say this was HIS decision, and NY is where he wanted to be all along.

    Or he goes back to Cleveland.

    I’d be shocked to see him in either Chicago or Miami, and those are really his only 4 options.

  72. NumberOnePositivePosterInTheUniverse June 28th, 2010 at 9:27 pm

    Betsy, who is stalking you? Was Sevrox laughing at you. People saw how I came to your defense the other day, they should really be more careful about what they say to you. I got your back.

  73. LGY June 28th, 2010 at 9:28 pm

    But the meetings might not be much more than a formality. The executive, who did not want to be identified discussing a player who is not yet a free agent, said he had gathered from discussions with his fellow N.B.A. executives that James was strongly leaning toward joining the Bulls in tandem with another free agent, Chris Bosh of the Toronto Raptors.

    “I think it’s a done deal,” the executive said.

    ————————————

    That’s from the NY Times article referenced.

    It’s so funny how rumors are spread through sports journalism nowadays.

    An unnamed NBA executive through discussion with other unnamed NBA executives thinks it is a done deal turns into LeBron and Bosh to Chicago is a done deal.

    The best is the an office familiar with the team’s thinking rumors.

  74. Betsy - Hughes rules (pleading the Fifth) June 28th, 2010 at 9:28 pm

    SJ, I don’t think he’s going to pitch to a two something ERA – that’s all. I do expect him to continue to pitch well – I don’t think his success is a fluke.

    Phil isn’t going to lose it, but it will be a test for him (as it is for all young pitchers); that’s all I’m saying.

    As I said, although I partly agree with Klapisch, I think he’s way too negative.

  75. LGY June 28th, 2010 at 9:28 pm

    *official* not office

  76. Trevor June 28th, 2010 at 9:29 pm

    Lebron will be a Knick. Just a hunch.

  77. Betsy - Hughes rules (pleading the Fifth) June 28th, 2010 at 9:29 pm

    I love these people “familiar with so and so’s thinking”………….

  78. blake June 28th, 2010 at 9:30 pm

    I have no idea where Lebron is going but I’d be surprised if he goes back to Cleveland.

  79. EricNS June 28th, 2010 at 9:33 pm

    Call them both in and flip a coin – seriously

  80. Betsy - Hughes rules (pleading the Fifth) June 28th, 2010 at 9:34 pm

    I agree with several sports radio talk show hosts who think the Knicks have to try and sell him on the fact that, though they aren’t the closest to winning, he would be a god in NY if he led them to a title. Some speculate that he would not want to be the 2nd best Bulls player in history (he will never surpass Jordan), but then- who knows? Maybe he doesn’t care about that. Only Lebron knows what’s important to him. If he wants to win right away, NY is out.

  81. LGY June 28th, 2010 at 9:35 pm

    Breaking news: LeBron James to play for six NBA teams next year:

    http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/bl.....nba,251885

  82. SJ44 June 28th, 2010 at 9:37 pm

    I’ve meet Worldwide Wes a few times. He’s a very interesting dude.

    Tell you what he’s not. A leaker.

    He doesn’t leak to ANYBODY.

    He got his start taking care of MJ.

    Nobody kept secrets better than Wes.

    He knows everybody and LBJ trusts him because he keeps his mouth shut.

    Can’t see him leaking now.

  83. Betsy - Hughes rules (pleading the Fifth) June 28th, 2010 at 9:38 pm

    LGY, that’s HILARIOUS, LOL. It sounds like something the Onion would put out………

    Some WFAN caller today suggested that Lebron would sign with the Knicks, but would tell theme that he’d only sign for 5 years, after which he’d ditch them for the Nets,.

  84. Betsy - Hughes rules (pleading the Fifth) June 28th, 2010 at 9:38 pm

    SJ, who is Worldwide Wes?

  85. stuckey June 28th, 2010 at 9:40 pm

    “I have no idea where Lebron is going but I’d be surprised if he goes back to Cleveland.”

    So would I, but I’d be shocked if he went to Miami or Chicago.

    Miami has no frontcourt at the moment. He’s not going there JUST to play with Wade and if Miami is able to figure out how to bring in Bosh, James will never be able to even forge a Kobe-like legacy.

    His legacy will be the day he signed with wade and Bosh and the three of essentially signed themselves into multiple championships rather than earned it on the court.

    The IDEA has some appeal, but he’ll never achieve that transcendent aura.

    And he’d be doing in Wade’s town.

    In Chicago he’d REALLY be sticking the knife into Cleveland, I doubt he buys in Joakim Noah in the same way the media is trying to sell him, and he gets to play in Jordan’s shadow without actually getting to rub elbows with him.

    NY offers him everything. The chance to prove him place among the all-time greats on the game’s biggest stage. To become the most popular and successful Knick of all time.

    And bear in mind, he holds ALL the cards.

    Can you make the argument the Chicago has a better “core”? But if HE doesn’t go there, can they get enough other pieces to be better than wherever James does go?

    He’s going to make WHEREVER he goes the team to beat.

    The idea of that must hold tremendous appeal to him.

  86. SJ44 June 28th, 2010 at 9:41 pm

    If I was LBJ, I would sign with Miami for 3 years and play with Wade and Bosh. They would dominate.

    After 3 years, go to LA and take over for Kobe and finish your career as a Laker.

    You get the best of all worlds.

  87. jonnycat June 28th, 2010 at 9:41 pm

    quick question – finally convinced a friend to go a a game this weekend (all my friends are broke or not baseball fans), but he insists on cheap tickets and has to be in the shade. Do any of you more experienced LoHuders know where exactly to sit in the stadium to be in the shade? And any ideas for cheap tix?

    thanks a million!

  88. Betsy - Hughes rules (pleading the Fifth) June 28th, 2010 at 9:41 pm

    Something called the Clippers, lol

  89. Betsy - Hughes rules (pleading the Fifth) June 28th, 2010 at 9:42 pm

    Lebron isn’t going to win in NY – not for a few years. That’s not appealing…………and who wants to deal with Dolan?

  90. sevrox June 28th, 2010 at 9:44 pm

    Betsy – I find this whole living on the internet and spending so much time screen-staring and typing to be quite humorous to begin with – to have somebody take their time out to harass someone is just another level of techno-instant-communication idiocy. Relax.

    I appreciate the give and take on this forum – have been reading it for Yankee updates for a few years now – back when Pete Abe was The Man.

    It’s all good. Don’t let one maniac get you down.

  91. blake June 28th, 2010 at 9:44 pm

    The only thing about Chicago is that he could probably go there with another FA and realistically win a championship as early as next season….I think his decision will at least in part depend on how much that matters to him. I think he’ll either be in NY or Chicago if I were guessing.

  92. Trevor June 28th, 2010 at 9:44 pm

    Chicago has to trade Deng before they can get 2 max players. They’re trying, but no one wants that contract.

  93. SJ44 June 28th, 2010 at 9:46 pm

    Betsy,

    Worldwide Wes is William Wesley. He’s LBJ’s closest confidante.

    It’s hard to really say “who” he is though! lol

    He’s one of these guys who knows EVERYBODY and knows how to get things done.

    He just signed with CAA to rep some coaches. He’s very tight with John Calipari, among others.

    If you aren’t tight with Wes, you ain’t gettin’ LBJ.

    Donnie Walsh and Pat Riley have practically moved in with Wes. They have been all over him for the past nine months.

    It’s going to be fascinating to see how it all plays out.

  94. NumberOnePositivePosterInTheUniverse June 28th, 2010 at 9:46 pm

    Betsy, SJ seems really connected, I have never met anyone named Worldwide Wes. I did, however, meet the Ole Dirty Bastard. Do you like ODB, Betsy? My favorite ODB song is Shimmy Shimmy Ya, what’s yours? You sound more of a Brooklyn Zoo person. I bet Worldwide and ODB would have been the best rap duo group.

  95. Betsy - Hughes rules (pleading the Fifth) June 28th, 2010 at 9:47 pm

    Sevrox, I actually ignore the guy’s posts – I just don’t think it’s funny. If he wants to waste his precious time (maybe not so precious as he apparently has lots of time on his hands), I guess it’s ok by me; he’s the one with the problems, lol.

  96. stuckey June 28th, 2010 at 9:48 pm

    “He doesn’t leak to ANYBODY. If I was LBJ, I would sign with Miami for 3 years and play with Wade and Bosh. They would dominate. ”

    But he’d be denied a Jordan, Bryant-like legacy. He’d be the guy who got his rings through a freak free agency move. A title would never be an accomplishment, it’d just be a failure if it didn’t happen.

    I don’t know, maybe that doesn’t matter to him, have a hard time seeing it though.

    And Miami still can’t do that unless the big three all sign for a discount, or they clear out Beasly for nothing, and then find 6 guys to play around them for nothing.

  97. Nothing matters that much. Few things matter at all. June 28th, 2010 at 9:49 pm

    woohooooooooo !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    4 runs charged to Strasburg.

    Hooorrrrrrraaaaaaaaayyy !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  98. Betsy - Hughes rules (pleading the Fifth) June 28th, 2010 at 9:49 pm

    Thanks, SJ!

    I love the nickname, lol.

    I guess every big star has to have one person that they can trust implicitly – it’s hard to know who to trust. This guy apparently has LBJ’s ear (the LBJ I know was President of the United States, but this LBJ would be almost as big in NY lol).

    The thing is, I hate the idea that you have to beg and plead to get a player to come here; there’s something undignified about it.

  99. NumberOnePositivePosterInTheUniverse June 28th, 2010 at 9:51 pm

    SJ, If a = b and c = d, then d != (does not equal) a.

    I know, that’s complex stuff, but I digress, explain this to me: if Wes is really tight lip about LBJ, then how do you know who has moved in with him? Seems like complex logic, he’s tight lip but only you know. Hmm..interesting.

    Am I to deduce that you might be Worldwide? Or maybe you are just Wes but you aren’t Worldwide yet. What about ABC’s Wideworld of sports, are they related to Worldwide?

  100. gayle June 28th, 2010 at 9:51 pm

    So I wonder now if Torre thinks the move for Broxton over the past few days was worth it now

    @JeffFletcherAOL: Torre says Broxton is going to be unavailable tonight and Tuesday. #dodgers

  101. GreenBeret7 June 28th, 2010 at 9:52 pm

    Strange top of the 8th inning in scranton. Scranton had a 6-3 lead with 1 out. Nunez boots an easy 2 hopper right to him. Next play is an easy 2 hopper to Corona at 2nd, shovels a chest high pitch to Nunez for the DP…except that Nunez dropped it. Rochester scores 3 runs to tie the game. One out in the bottom of the 8th, Vazguez, who had a 3 run homer earlier, smoke a double off of the right cenyer field wall. The will intentionally walk Corona to set up the DP. on the 2nd pitch, the pitcher throws a wild pitch moving Vazquez to 3rd base. As the pitcher is getting ready to make the next pitch, the catcher stands up, waves his arms for time out and the pitcher stops. The trouble is, time wasn’t called by the umpire, who calls the balk and the winning runs scores.

    “You know Suzy Q, that’s one thing about baseball. You can never tell.”

  102. stuckey June 28th, 2010 at 9:53 pm

    The thing about how all this plays out is, what if James and Bosh DO sign with NY? Who has the cards to take their theoretically better starting pieces and over James and Bosh?

    Can Chicago get there with Joe Johnson and a Boozer or Lee maybe? Is Rose-Noah-Johnson-Boozer/Lee winning a ring in the next 2 years?

    Then Miami maybe gets Stoudamire and another sub-max piece? Are they clearly better than Chicago, Orlando or NY?

  103. Rishi June 28th, 2010 at 9:54 pm

    RiverAveBlues 48 pitches later…. RT @JeffFletcherAOL: Torre says Broxton is going to be unavailable tonight and Tuesday. #dodgers
    2 minutes ago via Echofon

  104. THE TRUTH June 28th, 2010 at 9:55 pm

    Isn’t the knock on Nunez that his defense can be suspect?

  105. Carl June 28th, 2010 at 9:56 pm

    # Rishi June 28th, 2010 at 9:54 pm

    RiverAveBlues 48 pitches later…. RT @JeffFletcherAOL: Torre says Broxton is going to be unavailable tonight and Tuesday. #dodgers
    2 minutes ago via Echofon

    Man Torre is an idiot.

  106. Rich in NJ June 28th, 2010 at 9:57 pm

    Going into the season, not even I thought that Gardner had a shot at the AS team.

  107. Doreen - GTLU Stuff & Photos June 28th, 2010 at 9:57 pm

    HI All -

    I’ve been skimming on and off during the day. Just got home from a wonderful dinner.

    A couple of things.

    Ooh, tough choice Swisher v. Gardner. Good arguments on both sides. I’d take Swisher, though, because of the power and his veteran-ness. But you can’t go wrong with Gardner, either. That speed, late in the game, could be a factor. Tough, tough choice.

    Strasburg – the most impressive thing to me is his control – low, low, low on the walks. What a talent.

    And, last, I think the Yankees try to hold on to Hughes long-term for sure. :)

  108. Jaba tips his Cap June 28th, 2010 at 9:58 pm

    “Torre says Broxton is going to be unavailable tonight and Tuesday”

    LOL, really LOL

  109. Tom in N.j. June 28th, 2010 at 9:58 pm

    Is the Heat’s “2 max player” cap space Wade + 2 Max players?

    Or is it Wade and one more max player?

  110. Rich in NJ June 28th, 2010 at 9:59 pm

    “Who has the cards to take their theoretically better starting pieces and over James and Bosh?”

    No team in the East, and it wouldn’t be a one year plan anyway. They can add a pieces next year when Curry’s contract comes off the books.

    btw, Gallo will soon become a star.

  111. GreenBeret7 June 28th, 2010 at 9:59 pm

    Nunez is listed as the best defensive shortstop in the International League this year. No…there is no knock on Nunez’ defense this year. He had made 4 errors at shortstop in 70 games this year and none since Mid-May.

  112. stuckey June 28th, 2010 at 10:00 pm

    Romine with 3 walks tonight. Off three different pitchers, none of who were crazy wild or anything. ‘

    Almost like that as much as a 3 hit game.

  113. SJ44 June 28th, 2010 at 10:00 pm

    Stuckey,

    Riley has a place for Beasley to land if he needs to move. He could have moved him the night of the draft.

    Only one of the three has to take a less than max deal to come to Miami.

    If Riley moves Beasley and buys out James Jones he may not need one of them to take a less than max deal, depending on the math.

    As far as legacy, I don’t think going to NY does anything for LBJ unless he wins.

    He’s in a much easier position to win in Miami under my example than win in NY.

    Given his numerous entertainment ventures, it makes sense for him to finish in LA.

    Only way he can do that is taking a shorter deal somewhere now.

  114. Doreen - GTLU Stuff & Photos June 28th, 2010 at 10:01 pm

    GB7 -

    Wow. Pretty weird inning. :)

  115. Betsy - Hughes rules (pleading the Fifth) June 28th, 2010 at 10:02 pm

    Doreen, what did you have for dinner? I love food – yum!

    Whether it’s this year or next, phor sure the Yanks will lock up Phil……..(I say this as I cross my fingers that he stays healthy, lol).

    I’m not sure either Swish or Gardner will make the team……….I hate to leave Swish off, but it would be fun to see Gardner cause havoc on the bases.

  116. Jaba tips his Cap June 28th, 2010 at 10:02 pm

    Strasburg has good stuff, but he still has long way to go.
    That is, beat good lineup consistently.

  117. Betsy - Hughes rules (pleading the Fifth) June 28th, 2010 at 10:03 pm

    So assuming Lebron doesn’t sign, what should the Knicks do?

  118. SJ44 June 28th, 2010 at 10:03 pm

    Tom,

    Wade + 2 max players looks to be the case for the Heat.

  119. GreenBeret7 June 28th, 2010 at 10:03 pm

    As a manager right now….today. I’d have to go with Gardner, if only because of Crawford’s bad shoulder. He can run, but, he can’t throw or swing the bat. If Crawford is healthy and able to play the outfield, I’d probably go with Swisher.

  120. tampayank June 28th, 2010 at 10:04 pm

    this Lebron topic is like a male soap opera but I’m hooked by all the rumors. It would have a ‘shock’ effect if he signs w/ the Knicks b/c after a few years of the Knicks being the only team mentioned, now the media has portrayed them as the longshot

  121. Sal June 28th, 2010 at 10:05 pm

    Brett “The Jet” Gardner to the all star team!!!

  122. LGY June 28th, 2010 at 10:05 pm

    I agree with stuckey.

    Since none of us really know anything about what LBJ is thinking, even the mediots pretending they do, I am just imagining how a guy like LBJ thinks.

    To me, the whole he just wants to win and is first priority is just the tip of the iceberg.

    I think it is about winning and becoming an NBA legend while winning.

    IMO, there is only 2 places for him to do that. He goes back to his hometown team and wins for “his” city. He makes Cleveland like Jordan made Chicago.

    Or, he goes to the Knicks and becomes King of NY.

    I don’t think a guy like LeBron is satisfied with just taking home rings. Look at what happened with Kobe until he won without Shaq.

    LeBron wants to win. But he wants to be THE guy and he wants to make it HIS city. JMO Cleveland or NY.

  123. GreenBeret7 June 28th, 2010 at 10:05 pm

    Doreen, it looked like an Interleague game between the 1962 Mets and the 1961 Washington Senators. Not pretty.

  124. Jaba tips his Cap June 28th, 2010 at 10:06 pm

    If LBJ comes to Knicks, the chance to win is pretty remote

  125. Betsy - Hughes rules (pleading the Fifth) June 28th, 2010 at 10:07 pm

    I hope you’re right, LGY – but no one really knows what he wants; we just speculate based on what we think he should want.

  126. Rich in NJ June 28th, 2010 at 10:08 pm

    “If LBJ comes to Knicks, the chance to win is pretty remote”

    This is a laughable comment.

  127. kd June 28th, 2010 at 10:08 pm

    lebron would be silly to come to the knicks, as much as i want him to.

    the organization is not well run, it’s frankly a mess.

    miami is a strong organization, where he can win. he wants to win. he’ll make his money anywhere

  128. stuckey June 28th, 2010 at 10:08 pm

    “Only one of the three has to take a less than max deal to come to Miami.”

    Good luck finding a volunteer… :-)

    “If Riley moves Beasley and buys out James Jones he may not need one of them to take a less than max deal, depending on the math.”

    Yeah, but then his roster is the three, Chalmers and nada.

    I mean, yeah, Riley can try to get some vets to sign for the minimum I guess, but that’s a interesting proposition come play-off time.

    “As far as legacy, I don’t think going to NY does anything for LBJ unless he wins.”

    Of course not. His only option is to win.

    “He’s in a much easier position to win in Miami under my example than win in NY.”

    Easier for sure, though I wouldn’t say inevitable.

    But again, the question will be asked, what was really accomplished?

    If Miami throws out an Olympic team out there, any them winning a title going to be celebrated in NBA history as anything but a curiosity?

    “Given his numerous entertainment ventures, it makes sense for him to finish in LA.”

    Yeah, I can see how that argument is made. I simply get the feeling James’ ambitions lay in those directions.

    I think he wants to transcend what has come before, not get his name on the plague.

    I could very well be wrong (there you go Randy!), however.

  129. Doreen - GTLU Stuff & Photos June 28th, 2010 at 10:09 pm

    Betsy -

    Went to a restaurant on the beach called Sea Watch. I had red snapper with a mango/papaya/black bean salsa. It was really good. My daughter, n iece and mom got lobster tail stuffed with crabmeat and my sister and dad got swordfish. Everyone was more than pleased. My other daughter got her favorite, filet mignon and it was “like buttah.” We had creme brulee and chocolate trifle for dessert. The food was wonderful, the service just attentive enough, the view magnificent (beach).

    The restaurant itself had a very New England feel to it. It was in between Pompano Beach and Ft Lauderdale.

  130. Betsy - Hughes rules (pleading the Fifth) June 28th, 2010 at 10:09 pm

    Good news on the Giants draft pick that was seriously injured in a car crash. He thinks he could play in 2011……….In an article I read, it said that he might have to devote himself to baseball because of the injuries. I didn’t know this, but he was drafted by the Brewers this year ( I believe). I wish him the best.

  131. Jaba tips his Cap June 28th, 2010 at 10:10 pm

    “If LBJ comes to Knicks, the chance to win is pretty remote”

    This is a laughable comment.

    LOL, and we shall see.

  132. Rich in NJ June 28th, 2010 at 10:11 pm

    Arison has never been willing to go over the cap and pay luxury tax, in necessary. There is no reason to think that will ever change.

  133. SJ44 June 28th, 2010 at 10:11 pm

    LBJ #1 goal is to be a billionaire and an entertainment mogul. He’s not as obsessed with winning as Kobe is.

    If he was, he would have signed off on Tom Izzo as coach, stay in Cleveland, and win because that’s the most stable situation for him and the place he can have a on team legacy.

    Since it’s looking unlikely he’s going back to Cleveland, you then have to look at where he has his best shot at achieving his goal.

    Even though they have a ton of cap room and he’s a Midwest guy, I never thought he would go to Chicago.

    I always thought it would come down to NY or Miami.

    Still feel that way.

  134. Jaba tips his Cap June 28th, 2010 at 10:11 pm

    LBJ so far is pretty much overrated. Basically he quit and choked in this year’s playoff vs. Celtics.

  135. THE TRUTH June 28th, 2010 at 10:12 pm

    Greenberet7:

    I am not sure if we are talking about the same guy. Are you talking about Eduardo Nunez?

    I read that his defense was poor here and possibly somewhere else (it says something along the line of him leading the league in e6′s last year):

    http://www.yankeesdaily.com/?p=12107

    But if what you say is true, then his defense has markedly improved.

  136. Betsy - Hughes rules (pleading the Fifth) June 28th, 2010 at 10:13 pm

    Doreen, wow – that snapper sounds so delish (I adore mango) and the chocolate trifle……..Glad you had a wonderful meal; there aren’t many things in the world I love more than that, lol.

  137. tampayank June 28th, 2010 at 10:14 pm

    Lebron can be all he wants to be in Miami. Miami is not a small town, Wade does great w/ endorsements playing in Miami. And it could be a celebrity event if he plays there with Wade and Bosh especially when most of the NBA season is played during the winter and lots of celebs/models live there that part of the year. Miami arguably would be a bigger stage than Chicago as an NBA market

  138. Betsy - Hughes rules (pleading the Fifth) June 28th, 2010 at 10:14 pm

    I’m not sure I want a player who’s major goal has nothing to do with what he does professionally.

  139. Rich in NJ June 28th, 2010 at 10:15 pm

    “the organization is not well run, it’s frankly a mess.”

    Really? Walsh methodically cleared enough cap space for two max players when everyone said it would be impossible when he took the job.

    If you add LeBron and another max free agent to Gallo and Chandler, they are as good as any team in the East.

    They have Eddy Curry’s salary coming off the books after the 2010-11 season so they can sign yet another free agent. Depending on the cap (which depends on the overall economy), they may be able to spend more than Curry’s $11m.

    You’re post is provably false.

  140. Trevor June 28th, 2010 at 10:15 pm

    the organization is not well run, it’s frankly a mess.
    ____________________________________________________

    Layden & Isaiah are gone.

  141. SJ44 June 28th, 2010 at 10:16 pm

    Arison has told Riley he is willing to go over the luxury tax if he can get James, Wade and Bosh.

    The benefit of having floor seats for the last 14 years. You fond out some stuff! lol

    Micky is a real good owner. The luxury tax won’t be an obstacle.

    I think contractual structures and timing create more roadblocks.

  142. Rich in NJ June 28th, 2010 at 10:17 pm

    “If he was, he would have signed off on Tom Izzo as coach, stay in Cleveland, and win because that’s the most stable situation for him and the place he can have a on team legacy.”

    No, he wouldn’t because Cleveland’s talent apart from LeBron isn’t good enough.

  143. stuckey June 28th, 2010 at 10:17 pm

    “If he was, he would have signed off on Tom Izzo as coach, stay in Cleveland, and win because that’s the most stable situation for him and the place he can have a on team legacy. ”

    Can’t agree with this at all. Cleveland is clearly moving backwards and Jamison landlocks them for years.

    And when did Izzo become the best coach out there. Elite college coaches have a spotty history in the NBA.

    I do agree that his ambitions might not be Kobe/Jordan-lite. I think he sees winning as a platform, rather than validation like those two did, but then he’s still a young man. There is still time for that.

    FOR that reason, can’t see him wanting to compete with his own teammate for resident “the man” status, and that’s exactly the off-the-court game he’d be in with Wade.

    Not sure Wade would want to deal with that either.

  144. Rich in NJ June 28th, 2010 at 10:17 pm

    “Arison has told Riley he is willing to go over the luxury tax if he can get James, Wade and Bosh.”

    Actions speak louder than words, and Arison’s historic actions are contra.

  145. SJ44 June 28th, 2010 at 10:18 pm

    Sea Watch is about 20-25 minutes from my house.

    Been in business forever. Good food, great location.

  146. tampayank June 28th, 2010 at 10:20 pm

    sj44 floor seat to the Heat? nice….does Trump still go to games down there? know he used to

  147. matt June 28th, 2010 at 10:20 pm

    Torre reminds me of the overgrown bully in the playground. Short on brains loves to push his weight around. I can’t believe anyone would try to seriously defend the way he blew out relievers arms and then washed his hands of them when they couldn’t pitch anymore. He did it to Sturtze, he did it to Proctor, he did it to Bruney. In the meantime he didn’t give the other relievers a chance. Paul Quantrill was one of the best in the league when he came to the Bronx. Torre made sure he never used him and the few times he did the guy had grown rust and it showed. So that was his built in excuse to not use him the next time. The guy is a class A creep. Everyone knows he had his favorites. Say what you want about Farnsworth but he did a pretty good job for Girardi. Torre pretty much ignored his existence. Farnsworth said as much.

    Torre picked his favorites and absoutely killed them so by the time the postseason came his relievers had the most innings in the majors.

  148. SJ44 June 28th, 2010 at 10:22 pm

    There has never been a free agency period like this Rich.

    If they couldn’t go over the tax, they wouldn’t be going to Akron on Friday. They would pass on it.

    Wade has pushed for LeBron and Bosh for two years.

    From an ego perspective, Wade won’t have a problem with it. Nor do I think it’s an issue for LeBron.

    Ironically, I think Bosh’s ego the more concerning one of the three.

  149. stuckey June 28th, 2010 at 10:23 pm

    “They have Eddy Curry’s salary coming off the books after the 2010-11 season so they can sign yet another free agent. Depending on the cap (which depends on the overall economy), they may be able to spend more than Curry’s $11m.”

    Well, that’s a little clouded. Yes, Curry’s $11.3m clears, but then, Gallinari, Chandler, Douglas, and the theoretical two maxes would ALL be due raises, likely far outpacing any rise in the cap.

    They’d actually likely wind up with around $5-6m, around the same as the MLE.

    Their better path is finding a taker for Curry’s expiring at the deadline to fortify the play-off roster, and then next year, use the MLE and $2m dollar exception to address whatever needs makes itself apparent during the play-offs.

  150. SJ44 June 28th, 2010 at 10:24 pm

    Trump hasn’t been to many games since Shaq was traded.

  151. pistol pete June 28th, 2010 at 10:31 pm

    Need help at dh/of right handed batter. I like J Guillen, hitting 280/345 and 814 ops. 13 hr’s 47 rbi’s, a 6m contract in the last yr. KC going nowhere, what does everyone think?

  152. Jaba tips his Cap June 28th, 2010 at 10:32 pm

    LBJ won’t go to Miami, unless Wade changes his mind.

  153. Rich in NJ June 28th, 2010 at 10:34 pm

    SJ

    Dolan (through Cablevision) can offer LeBron a vision of media integration for his brand that no other owner can compete with. Couple that with the kind of money that private equity firms are reportedly willing to invest in LeBron, and playing in NY with the Knicks will present an incomparable opportunity.

    No other owner spends like Dolan. Granted, he has done it stupidly in the past, but he now has a first-rate basketball person in charge.

    As for Wade, he’s kind of brittle. I’m not sure he can be relied on.

    stuckey

    It depends on amount of the cap for the following season. The CBA could expire after the upcoming season, so this is really beyond speculative.

    Does the larger economy go into a double dip, or does growth start to take hold? No one knows at this point.

    If the CBA is extended for a season, and your assumptions prove to be correct, then Chandler and/or Douglas an always be moved.

  154. Look at the back of my baseball card June 28th, 2010 at 10:40 pm

    I see Ubaldo is back to himself just like I predicted. Look for the same from Lincecum this week

  155. stuckey June 28th, 2010 at 10:42 pm

    Rich, the free agency class also looks a little thin in 2011, assuming there is no lock-out, which is a distinct possibility.

    My point is, if Curry is still around, I think the knicks could find a decent player in the $9-14 price range from a team looking to shed a contract at the deadline, and then ALSO have $8 to spend ($6m MLE AND $2m exception) in the offseason.

    In other words, you could potentially bring in $16 to $20 worth of talent that way.

    Yes, one of those guys would likely be a little overpaid and you’re limited to the guys in the $9-14m already under contract rather than your free choice of FA’s, but I think think there is likely more bang for your back under that scenario.

    I’m not uncertain Curry can’t be moved THIS offseason (Calderon in Toroto, Okafur in New Orleans?), but I’m pretty certain you can turn him into something decent and complimentary at the deadline, and then still have some more bucks after the season.

  156. Blackboard June 28th, 2010 at 10:45 pm

    What is the upside for LeBron going to Miami with Bosh/Wade though?

    He will not be able to carve out his own legacy. His titles won’t mean the same as Jordan’s or even Kobe’s post-Shaq.

    Yeah, he wins 3 titles, so what? Wade will have 4. It will never be his team. He’ll never get all the credit, he will have to share it.

    Look at the Celtics. One player is not associated with them, it is a team.

    His numbers are also going to go down as well. With Wade on the team, he isin’t going to be able to run the offense like he does in Cleveland or like he would anywhere else.

    Wade would always be bigger than him. Jeter/ARod scenario. That team would win every title as long as they are together, but does LeBron want to win like that?

  157. GreenBeret7 June 28th, 2010 at 10:47 pm

    Look at the back of my baseball card June 28th, 2010 at 10:40 pm
    I see Ubaldo is back to himself just like I predicted. Look for the same from Lincecum this week

    ———————————————————————————————————————-

    You really like living dangerously, going out on a limb with these bold predictions, don’t you?

  158. m June 28th, 2010 at 10:53 pm

    Can’t see LBJ in Miami, with or without Wade.

    Wade to Chicago or stays in Miami. Wilbon made a good point that Wade/Bosh would be better than Wade/James because they do a lot of the same things.

    There’s not enough space in the locker room for the orbits of Wade and James. Unless Wade thinks of himself as a second banana, which I don’t think he does.

    Wade to Chicago, LBJ to NY would probably best for all involved.

    And agree to a point that LBJ’s goals seem to be bigger picture than NBA champion. He can do both, but I don’t know that he can even get close to Jordan’s legacy.

  159. UnKnown June 28th, 2010 at 10:58 pm

    Zum Zum just went down like a ton of bricks at Target Field. Right arm exploded. Wow!

  160. blake June 28th, 2010 at 10:58 pm

    I think Lebron should shock the world and sign with the Bobcats.

  161. GreenBeret7 June 28th, 2010 at 10:59 pm

    Joel Zumaya just threw a pitch and dropped his glove. He’s unable to move his arm and being helped off of the field in Minnesota.

  162. m June 28th, 2010 at 11:01 pm

    I think he should sign with the Clippers. But their legacy and second-class locker rooms aren’t much of a draw.

    Can someone remind me why Javy is now pitching after Phil?

  163. m June 28th, 2010 at 11:02 pm

    Wow. Sounds bad.

  164. blake June 28th, 2010 at 11:02 pm

    “Joel Zumaya just threw a pitch and dropped his glove. He’s unable to move his arm and being helped off of the field in Minnesota.”

    yikes, that doesn’t look good at all….he has such a violent delivery….hope he’s ok.

  165. Rob June 28th, 2010 at 11:03 pm

    Who takes the final shot in the NBA finals – James or Wade?

    Really think LeBron is giving that up?

    I don’t think LeBron wants a title under those circumstances, now at this early part of his career at least. The ideal situation for him is to pair with Bosh in NY. He gets the help he needs, yet it will always be his team and he will control the team, get all the credit and the spotlight.

    Of course Wade wants LeBron, because there is no downside for Wade. It’s his franchise. He already has a ring and finals MVP. I don’t think he cares about the media/marketing aspect and the “becoming bigger than Jordan” nearly as much as LeBron does.

  166. Giuseppe Franco June 28th, 2010 at 11:03 pm

    # GreenBeret7 June 28th, 2010 at 10:59 pm

    Joel Zumaya just threw a pitch and dropped his glove. He’s unable to move his arm and being helped off of the field in Minnesota.

    ————

    That’s an enormous blow to the Tigers. Their bullpen has been their biggest strength this season.

  167. Look at the back of my baseball card June 28th, 2010 at 11:03 pm

    GreenBeret7,

    I just find it funny how “elite” pitchers look like garbage against the Red Sox

  168. UnKnown June 28th, 2010 at 11:03 pm

    And now Valverde goes down to the ground after he throws his pitch! Oh wait he is just celebrating a 8th inning strikeout by doing his dance. What a knucklehead.

  169. stuckey June 28th, 2010 at 11:06 pm

    I think the NBA would KILL to see the upper-class of the free agency glass evenly distributed among Chicago, NY, Miami, perhaps with a little love to NJ, joining a strong Orlando…

    Imagine the ratings with 3 new powerhouses going up against one another, and the strength of the EC play-offs, with the winner likely to meet Kobe in the finals for another year or two?

    Stern can’t stop a Miami superpower, but remember, the three biggest shadows are still Bird, Magic and Jordan, because the first 2 saved the league and Jordan ran with what they started. What they did for the NBA is part of their legacy.

    I can’t say I know what a superpower would do for the league. Might be the greatest thing ever. Might be the worst.

  170. Giuseppe Franco June 28th, 2010 at 11:07 pm

    The Yanks have beaten some good pitchers lately as well.

    We’ll see how they do the next couple of days.

  171. GreenBeret7 June 28th, 2010 at 11:07 pm

    Giuseppe Franco June 28th, 2010 at 11:03 pm
    # GreenBeret7 June 28th, 2010 at 10:59 pm

    Joel Zumaya just threw a pitch and dropped his glove. He’s unable to move his arm and being helped off of the field in Minnesota.

    ————

    That’s an enormous blow to the Tigers. Their bullpen has been their biggest strength this season.

    ———————————————————————————————————————-

    I won’t speculate on what it was that he hurt, but, it wasn’t pretty. Detroit’s pen was their saving grace with an up and down rotation. Leyland has to hope that Coke continues to pitch well, because he just might become the prime setup guy. Not sure that there are a lot of left handed setup guys, though. he was hiiting 95-96 MPH tonight.

  172. tampayank June 28th, 2010 at 11:08 pm

    Wade has been more clutch than Lebron. From Wade’s only Finals appearance to the Summer Olympics, he made some huge shots. Personally Wade is my favorite player in the NBA

  173. Look at the back of my baseball card June 28th, 2010 at 11:08 pm

    Giuseppe Franco,

    Who?

  174. GreenBeret7 June 28th, 2010 at 11:10 pm

    blake June 28th, 2010 at 11:02 pm
    “Joel Zumaya just threw a pitch and dropped his glove. He’s unable to move his arm and being helped off of the field in Minnesota.”

    yikes, that doesn’t look good at all….he has such a violent delivery….hope he’s ok.

    ———————————————————————————————————————-

    It looked ugly, but, I’m not making any guesses. No report, though. It was more than a twinge, though. You know that they wished they still had Rodney, though.

  175. Rob June 28th, 2010 at 11:11 pm

    Jose Veras is back with the Marlins

  176. UnKnown June 28th, 2010 at 11:12 pm

    That youtube video that someone posted on this blog earlier on this thread is great. Reminds me as a kid living and dying with every Yankee game. Still do for that matter.

  177. UnKnown June 28th, 2010 at 11:12 pm

    That youtube video that someone posted on this blog earlier on this thread is great. Reminds me as a kid living and dying with every Yankee game. Still do for that matter.

  178. blake June 28th, 2010 at 11:13 pm

    “Who?”

    Well they have beat Halladay, Pelfrey, Santana, and Haren recently….to name a few.

    GB7,

    I’m sure they wish they still had Rodney for sure. I’ve never seen a guy do that after throwing a pitch and it not be a fairly serious injury….I hope for him its not though, looked like the elbow.

  179. blake June 28th, 2010 at 11:16 pm

    Braves hand Strasburg a loss….I’m still sticking with my Yankees/Braves WS prediction.

  180. GreenBeret7 June 28th, 2010 at 11:16 pm

    Looks like Mark Prior is going to attempt another comeback.

  181. Zed June 28th, 2010 at 11:18 pm

    If Yanks/Braves happens, we NEED to give Hinske a lifetime contract

    It would be beyond coincidence at that point….

  182. GreenBeret7 June 28th, 2010 at 11:18 pm

    Doubtful that there will be much more than estimations and assumptions on Zumaya before tomorrow.

  183. DMan June 28th, 2010 at 11:20 pm

    Who closes for the Dodgers tonight?

    Jeff Weaver?

  184. GreenBeret7 June 28th, 2010 at 11:23 pm

    Top of the order coming up for the Twins. Mauer’s slipping really close to hitting in the .290s after tonight. Hittless at a .301 clip?

  185. Azaz June 28th, 2010 at 11:28 pm

    Sonia an is a bball expert to. Lol . I can guarantee lbj will be a knick

  186. UnKnown June 28th, 2010 at 11:29 pm

    And we have a new leader a top the central The D is in the house.

  187. Giuseppe Franco June 28th, 2010 at 11:30 pm

    # GreenBeret7 June 28th, 2010 at 11:07 pm

    I won’t speculate on what it was that he hurt, but, it wasn’t pretty. Detroit’s pen was their saving grace with an up and down rotation. Leyland has to hope that Coke continues to pitch well, because he just might become the prime setup guy. Not sure that there are a lot of left handed setup guys, though. he was hiiting 95-96 MPH tonight.

    ————

    Hmmm. I know Coke has really had a good season but I’m not so sure he’s 8th inning material. He does have a much bigger ballpark to pitch in so he’s got that on his side.

    I seem to recall Coke was pretty good last year in the first half especially but he was also streaky. Girardi rode him pretty hard at times.

    Zumaya has one of those special arms that don’t come around very often. It took him awhile to overcome his health issues but he has been the Zumaya of 2006 this season.

    That’s a shame.

  188. Vic June 28th, 2010 at 11:30 pm

    No idea how the Tigers are doing it… their starting pitching isin’t great.

    They have a killer pen though.

  189. Homer June 28th, 2010 at 11:31 pm

    Valverde and Soriano have been 2 of the best closers in the AL

    So I guess some NL pitchers can succeed here after all…

  190. David in Cal June 28th, 2010 at 11:33 pm

    I’m on the fence between Swisher and Gardner. However, I have a feeling it may be Nick Markakis. He’s having about as good as year as Swisher and Gardner, he’s a long-time star, and he may be the best bet to have at least one Oriole on the AS team.

  191. Hey Kelvin says June 28th, 2010 at 11:36 pm

    Ubaldo another no hitter, albeit its only the fifth inning.

  192. Betsy - Hughes rules (pleading the Fifth) June 28th, 2010 at 11:38 pm

    I hope Zumaya is ok, but that doesn’t sound good. Every pitch could be a pitcher’s last – it’s scary in a way.

  193. GreenBeret7 June 28th, 2010 at 11:38 pm

    Coke has been hot as of late. Not so sure I’d want him coming in with runs on base, though. 10 of 30 inherited runners have scored and for such big fastball and sharp breaking slider, he’s not really a strikeout pitcher.25 in 32 innings, I think. 12 walks aren’t bad but combined with the hits it’s over 40. I’d have to check and see what the rest of the pen looks like, but, he might be their only real option. I can’t imagine they’d give the job to Eddie Bonine. Wonder if they recall Porcello and move Scherzer into that spot?

  194. MT June 28th, 2010 at 11:41 pm

    Have to be patient against Lee tomorrow… don’t swing at balls and be patient and take the walks

  195. Betsy - Hughes rules (pleading the Fifth) June 28th, 2010 at 11:41 pm

    I’m no fan of Coke – he’s not a guy I would be scare of in the late innings.

  196. Betsy - Hughes rules (pleading the Fifth) June 28th, 2010 at 11:42 pm

    They’re not going to walk against Lee; the guy has 4 against over 70 strikeouts. They’ll have to approach him like they do Halladay; if you see a decent pitch, swing at it. He’s going to be very tough tomorrow.

  197. GreenBeret7 June 28th, 2010 at 11:42 pm

    Zumaya was a special arm and electric. The fans loved seeing it, but, that may be part of the issue. Being in love with the gun.

    I read somewhere that a study was done and it said the arm could only withstand throwing a 103 MPH pitch and after that, something would go wrong. Not sure of the validity of the study, but, it might be for Zumaya.

  198. John June 28th, 2010 at 11:43 pm

    “I hope Zumaya is ok, but that doesn’t sound good. Every pitch could be a pitcher’s last – it’s scary in a way.”

    Which is why Hughes would take any deal we offer him. Who knows what can happen for 4 years? Take the money and run!!!!!

  199. Science Geek June 28th, 2010 at 11:44 pm

    Coke is certainly pitching better than anyone from our pen except Rivera, by a significant margin too.

    I’d trust him over Chamberlain to get 3 outs.

  200. Betsy - Hughes rules (pleading the Fifth) June 28th, 2010 at 11:45 pm

    John, if what you said was true, every pitcher would take the first offer they got from their team and never hit FA.

  201. what? June 28th, 2010 at 11:47 pm

    Is it true that Mosely is coming to the pen?

  202. GreenBeret7 June 28th, 2010 at 11:47 pm

    Homer June 28th, 2010 at 11:31 pm
    Valverde and Soriano have been 2 of the best closers in the AL

    So I guess some NL pitchers can succeed here after all…

    ———————————————————————————————————————-

    Soriano came out of the Mariners farm system and didn’t pitch any better with Atlanta than he has in his AL career.

  203. THE TRUTH June 28th, 2010 at 11:55 pm

    What are some possible relief/pitching targets for the Yankees?

  204. pat June 28th, 2010 at 11:55 pm

    Cashman and Levine speaking tonight said Jeter and Mo will be Yankees next year if they want to be, bench will be the focus before the trading deadline and spoke about some prospects who are devloping nicely….

    http://www.nytimes.com/2010/06.....9bats.html

  205. John June 28th, 2010 at 11:58 pm

    “John, if what you said was true, every pitcher would take the first offer they got from their team and never hit FA.”

    As they approach, FA sure.

    For young players who have 3+ years before FA? Absolutely. Look how many bargains teams have gotten – Pedroia, Lester, Markakis, Braun, Longoria, Reyes, Wright, Shields, Gallardo, Tulowitzki, Jiminez, Brett Anderson, Grienke, Cano, Aaron Hill, Lind, Upton, etc.

    Young players who are far away from FA take the money. All of the above contracts are absolute bargains. Not every team takes the risk to lock up players that early though. Some teams feel the player might get complacent if they get so much money so soon.

  206. John June 29th, 2010 at 12:00 am

    *that should read MOST of the above contracts are bargains… a couple of those guys have underperformed since getting paid

  207. Betsy - Hughes rules (pleading the Fifth) June 29th, 2010 at 12:04 am

    John, if the Yankees choose to extend Phil (and I hope they do), then I think they’d get something done and probably without much fuss. It’s just a matter of when the Yankees want to broach something like this; we were discussing this earlier. It’s not going to be based on current performance, but what they expect him to do. Will they make an overture after this year? Next? Either way, the Yanks want this kid to be here for a long time, so I don’t think he’ll hit FA.

  208. ZA App June 29th, 2010 at 12:07 am

    As Yankee fans, we don’t need to worry about our players leaving

    Even if we wait another 4 years and have to pay $120 million to retain him, we can do that too.

  209. Raphy June 29th, 2010 at 12:10 am

    Do you think the Yankees ever show the team this game?
    http://www.baseball-reference......5080.shtml

  210. G. Love June 29th, 2010 at 12:43 am

    Betsy,

    I don’t think the Yankees will extend Phil. I think they will let him earn his raises through arb and then sign him long term when he’s a free agent.

    It’s been a long time since we had the kind of arm that would make it all the way though arb to free agency.

    It’s bad business with pitchers to lock them up long term before you have to.

    The Yankees clearly won’t be outbid for Phil and if he careers progresses as is, they’ll make him a very rich man.

    That said, just because they locked up Cano the way they did doesn’t mean they will do that for anyone else.

  211. this space for rent June 29th, 2010 at 1:19 am

    # Raphy June 29th, 2010 at 12:10 am

    Do you think the Yankees ever show the team this game?
    http://www.baseball-reference……5080.shtml

    ———————–

    good find.

  212. Pat M. June 29th, 2010 at 1:24 am

    My buddy Jeff Gardner was in the Cubs line-up that day……..

  213. Nick in SF June 29th, 2010 at 2:26 am

    Hey just checking in to let you know I got home safely.

    What? This is LoHud? Not my mom?

    Oops! :oops:

    Um, here’s a link to an article about that Gerrit Cole guy. Remember him?

    http://rivals.yahoo.com/ncaa/b.....ucla062710

  214. Rich in NJ June 29th, 2010 at 2:30 am

    “Cashman and Levine speaking tonight said Jeter and Mo will be Yankees next year if they want to be…”

    I hope that means that they won’t overpay in the number of years. They can give them whatever they want in terms of AAV, but they don’t need to repeat the mistake they made with A-Rod’s contract (although Cash was against it).

    I think Mo will accept a one year deal. Unless Jeter somehow ends up having the kind of season he had last year, they can’t give him more than three years.

  215. Crawdaddy June 29th, 2010 at 5:47 am

    They’re going to give Jeter whatever he wants and you might as well accept that outcome.

  216. Disco June 29th, 2010 at 6:09 am

    Both are good, and close, but lets be real.

    Rios, Crawford, and Hamilton are top 5 in all of baseball for WAR.

    They are your starting AL outfielders. Or at least should be.

    Swisher is def deserving of a bench spot though with a Choo or Nelson Cruz. Although I see Gardner being taken by Joe to pinch run.

  217. Doreen - GTLU Stuff & Photos June 29th, 2010 at 7:33 am

    I assumed Chad and most everyone here was talking about Gardner and Swisher as reserve outfielders, not starters.

  218. upstate kate June 29th, 2010 at 7:37 am

    good morning Doreen
    hope you are enjoying your vacation
    so many questions for GTLU…will GGBG be back? Posada or Cervelli? Probably Swish 2nd against a LHP…day off for anyone?…so much to think about :)

  219. Doreen - GTLU Stuff & Photos June 29th, 2010 at 7:39 am

    Good morning upstate kate.

    Thanks, we’re having a nice time. Tomorrow am we hit the road again. :)

    GTLU is going to be interesting today, isn’t it???? Can’t wait to see the submissions. lol

  220. Fran (the original) and OPPC member June 29th, 2010 at 7:50 am

    Good morning Doreen and Kate,

    Already thinking about my line-up :)
    A number of questions, plus we get the DH back today too.

  221. upstate kate June 29th, 2010 at 7:53 am

    ah yes, the DH…so happy we are finished w/ interleague play and drama

  222. ac1 June 29th, 2010 at 8:08 am

    am i the only one who thinks there is no way we go after Lee mid season, unless they can trade burnett and use the return to give to seattle?

  223. jonnycat June 29th, 2010 at 8:12 am

    reposting my question from late last night….. any ideas?

    quick question – finally convinced a friend to go a a game this weekend (all my friends are broke or not baseball fans), but he insists on cheap tickets and has to be in the shade. Do any of you more experienced LoHuders know where exactly to sit in the stadium to be in the shade? And any ideas for cheap tix?

    thanks a million!

  224. Chip June 29th, 2010 at 8:14 am

    Morning folks -

    First, interesting name was just released by San Diego – Mark Worrell. He pitched to a 5.45 ERA in the PCL (which is a hitter friendly league) but had a ratio of 9.3 K/9 and 3.0 BB/9, just saying, he might be a nice addition to Scranton.

    Also here’s an early morning version of GTLU

    Jeter
    Swisher
    Tex
    Alex – dh
    Cano
    Posada
    Granderson
    Huffman
    Russo

  225. Chip June 29th, 2010 at 8:15 am

    jonnycat June 29th, 2010 at 8:12 am
    reposting my question from late last night?.. any ideas?

    quick question – finally convinced a friend to go a a game this weekend (all my friends are broke or not baseball fans), but he insists on cheap tickets and has to be in the shade. Do any of you more experienced LoHuders know where exactly to sit in the stadium to be in the shade? And any ideas for cheap tix?

    thanks a million!

    ———————-

    Only shade is in the lower decks – which tend to not be cheap

  226. upstate kate June 29th, 2010 at 8:18 am

    jonnycat
    I am not an expert by any means, but I will tell you where not to sit. We had seats on the 3rd base side on an overcast day and my blonde son and his GF got burned to a crisp. We have had shady seats on the 1st base side, but they were not cheap.

  227. Billy D June 29th, 2010 at 8:22 am

    “am i the only one who thinks there is no way we go after Lee mid season”

    You are not.

    “unless they can trade burnett and use the return to give to seattle?”

    Even then.

  228. MTU (aka GBURL) June 29th, 2010 at 8:22 am

    The morning news:

    1 Looks like Dustin Moseley might be on his way to the big club.

    2 Strasburg was cheated by the official scorer in last night’s game.

    3 Cliff Lee will be starring in today’s episode of “Pitching for Dollars”.

  229. Betsy - Hughes rules (pleading the Fifth) June 29th, 2010 at 8:33 am

    Ok, should be a fun night tonight : Phil vs. Lee

    If Phil can get through the first couple of innings, he should be ok; I expect him to come out very strong and hyped up, with his command, as a result, not being overly sharp.

    We won’t get many chances to score against Lee, so what chances we do get, we have to take advantage of.

  230. blake June 29th, 2010 at 8:35 am

    I don’t think they will trade for Lee in season either..but if certain circumstances arise then I wouldn’t be shocked.

    Great matchup tonight…yanks need to be aggressive and hit the good pitches they see from CL..he’s going to be around the plate and he’s not going to walk anybody. IMO if you go up there taking pitches against him then you’ll just be behind in the count all night.

  231. GreenBeret7 June 29th, 2010 at 8:36 am

    If there is a play to put Moseley on the 25 man roster, who gets sent down and who gets removed from the 40 man roster. No sense in it being Gaudin. They are basically the same pitcher. Looks more like part of a bigger trade.

  232. MTU (aka GBURL) June 29th, 2010 at 8:39 am

    Blake-

    On any given night you can never tell what a pitcher will do.

    I always try to expect the unexpected.

    For example, U-Jim had a no no going thru 5 last night and then coughed up 4 runs.

    Baseball is a funny game that way.

  233. GreenBeret7 June 29th, 2010 at 8:39 am

    The hitters need to take everything to the opposite field, because he’s difficult to pull and even more difficult to get into the air.

  234. Betsy - Hughes rules (pleading the Fifth) June 29th, 2010 at 8:40 am

    Blake, I agree………the man is not walking anyone this year and I doubt he’s going to start tonight.

  235. MTU (aka GBURL) June 29th, 2010 at 8:41 am

    GB-

    They could option Logan.

    But a trade would be more interesting.

    It might be the final look at some of the Scranton guys before they consider making a trade for a BP arm ?

  236. GreenBeret7 June 29th, 2010 at 8:42 am

    Two hitters that will be hard to deal with will be Suzuki and Lopez. If Branyon is with the team, he’s going to be scary. If he gets the ball in the air, he’s trouble.

  237. MTU (aka GBURL) June 29th, 2010 at 8:42 am

    It wouldn’t shock me if Phil outpitches Lee.

  238. Betsy - Hughes rules (pleading the Fifth) June 29th, 2010 at 8:43 am

    It’s going to be hot and humid tonight – the ball will probably carry. Phil might want to use his two-seamer a bit more.

  239. NYYROC June 29th, 2010 at 8:45 am

    Hughes has beaten some top pitchers already this year, Beckett, Buhrele and Pelfrey to name a few.

  240. MTU (aka GBURL) June 29th, 2010 at 8:45 am

    Look for YMH to have some extra giddyup on his heat tonite.

  241. Chip June 29th, 2010 at 8:45 am

    A trade of Mosley would be interesting but I agree with Blake – it’s more likely that they’ll send down Logan and DFA Jonathan Albaladejo.

    As I said above, I would consider picking up Mark Worrell to take Dustin’s spot in AAA. Great K rate in AAA this year despite a bloated ERA.

  242. GreenBeret7 June 29th, 2010 at 8:46 am

    MTU (aka GBURL) June 29th, 2010 at 8:41 am
    GB-

    They could option Logan.

    But a trade would be more interesting.

    It might be the final look at some of the Scranton guys before they consider making a trade for a BP arm ?

    ———————————————————————————————————————-

    Seattle has four left handed bats (possibly 5) plus 2 switch hitters. Having two left handed pitchers in the bullpen will help. Logan’s a better pitcher than Mosely and Mosely isn’t on the 40 man roster.

  243. MTU (aka GBURL) June 29th, 2010 at 8:47 am

    GB-

    OK. You convinced me. So what’s the trade ?

  244. GreenBeret7 June 29th, 2010 at 8:48 am

    Perfect. a pitcher that allows 5 runs but looks great striking out 3 batters in the inning.

  245. JM June 29th, 2010 at 8:48 am

    #jonnycat June 29th, 2010 at 8:12 am
    reposting my question from late last night?.. any ideas?

    quick question – finally convinced a friend to go a a game this weekend (all my friends are broke or not baseball fans), but he insists on cheap tickets and has to be in the shade. Do any of you more experienced LoHuders know where exactly to sit in the stadium to be in the shade? And any ideas for cheap tix?

    thanks a million!

    try fansnap.com for tickets…..as i have posted before, they give you available tickets from about 30 scalper and re-sale sites, including stub hub and ebay. as for shade, well, if you’re in a lot of parts of the upper deck (they call it the grandstand at the new yankee stadium but my friends and i still stubbornly call it the deck), you will have shade for at least some of the game.

  246. blake June 29th, 2010 at 8:48 am

    MTU,
    Oh I agree when you consider the lineups the two guys are facing. Hughes can match just about anybody when he’s on.

    GB is right…they need to think back up the middle and opo…you try to pull CL and you’ll be rolling over a lot of balls.

  247. Billy D June 29th, 2010 at 8:48 am

    “It wouldn’t shock me if Phil outpitches Lee.”

    I’d be a little surprised if he didn’t. The disparity between the two lineups, with the Yankees being the AL’s best and the M’s being the AL’s worst, is a lot greater than the disparity between Lee and Hughes.

  248. GreenBeret7 June 29th, 2010 at 8:49 am

    MTU (aka GBURL) June 29th, 2010 at 8:47 am
    GB-

    OK. You convinced me. So what’s the trade ?

    ———————————————————————————————————————-

    A big NL park. He got hammered in his years with the Angels.

  249. MTU (aka GBURL) June 29th, 2010 at 8:51 am

    Blake-

    Did you watch the 2 great young arms last night ?

    If you did, your impressions ?

  250. Scuff a luff a gus June 29th, 2010 at 8:51 am

    Matt is here. Good thing. I almost forgot to use my head and give up on the Yankees tonight.

  251. GreenBeret7 June 29th, 2010 at 8:53 am

    If I was one of the armchair GM wizards with ridiculous thoughts that you see on here, I’d even consider trading Moseley to ‘Zona for Justin Upton, though, that’s really taking a risk.

  252. Bobby June 29th, 2010 at 8:54 am

    Anybody want tickets to tonight’s game?

    I’m selling mine for 1/2 price.

    http://newyork.craigslist.org/.....33690.html

  253. MTU (aka GBURL) June 29th, 2010 at 8:54 am

    I guess the Yankees won’t have to send their scouts very far to look at Lee tonite. ;)

    I say he is gone very soon. Twins, Mets, Cards, Texas would be likely rental destinations.

  254. GreenBeret7 June 29th, 2010 at 8:58 am

    If any relief pitchers are one the block, Brandon League, Brad Zeigler and Matt Lindsrom would be the first 3 that I’d look at. Regardless of what people think of him, I’d also look at Brett Myers as a swingman.

  255. MTU (aka GBURL) June 29th, 2010 at 9:01 am

    And the beat goes on:

    Pedroia out a minimum of 6 weeks (I think more).

    V-Mart- broken thumb (not good for a catcher).

    Laptop misses a start.

    Looks like those VooDoo dolls really work. :)

  256. MTU (aka GBURL) June 29th, 2010 at 9:03 am

    GB-

    If the Royals would eat most of his salary would you take a flyer on former bad boy Jose Guillen as a DH type ? He may be a bit of a headcase but he can hit.

  257. Billy D June 29th, 2010 at 9:04 am

    “If any relief pitchers are one the block, Brandon League, Brad Zeigler and Matt Lindsrom would be the first 3 that I’d look at. Regardless of what people think of him, I’d also look at Brett Myers as a swingman.”

    Three good names, IMO. Big issue I see is that competition for bullpen arms is going to be pretty fierce. Everyone needs them and with that horrifying injury to Zumaya last night, “everyone” just increased by one team. I think the cost for these guys will be more than many would consider reasonable because the demand is so high.

  258. upstate kate June 29th, 2010 at 9:07 am

    MTU
    it is the curse of the big Papi jersey, remember the one that was buried at new YS, then dug up? it has been downhill for the sox ever since :)

  259. GreenBeret7 June 29th, 2010 at 9:08 am

    MTU (aka GBURL) June 29th, 2010 at 9:03 am
    GB-

    If the Royals would eat most of his salary would you take a flyer on former bad boy Jose Guillen as a DH type ? He may be a bit of a headcase but he can hit.

    ———————————————————————————————————————-

    $6.5 mil for half of a season is a lot to pay for a part time DH.

  260. Chip June 29th, 2010 at 9:08 am

    GreenBeret7 June 29th, 2010 at 8:48 am
    Perfect. a pitcher that allows 5 runs but looks great striking out 3 batters in the inning.
    ———————

    Pacific Coast League – where Worrell has been pitching – is known as a hitter friendly league.

    I’m not calling Worrell a fixture in the Yankee pen, but to take Mosley’s place in Scranton he would be fine.

  261. Chip June 29th, 2010 at 9:09 am

    GreenBeret7 June 29th, 2010 at 9:08 am
    MTU (aka GBURL) June 29th, 2010 at 9:03 am
    GB-

    If the Royals would eat most of his salary would you take a flyer on former bad boy Jose Guillen as a DH type ? He may be a bit of a headcase but he can hit.

    ???????????????????????????????????????-

    $6.5 mil for half of a season is a lot to pay for a part time DH.
    —————

    you obviously missed the part where he said “if the royals eat most of his salary…”

  262. GreenBeret7 June 29th, 2010 at 9:11 am

    If KC is eating a chunk of his salary, he’d cost too much in talent to get.

  263. bdog375 June 29th, 2010 at 9:11 am

    Gardner is a must for the All Star team. I just voted yesterday, and in the process I realized how tremendous of a season statistically Gardner is having. Of course we all know his impact for the Yankees, but with respect to the rest of the outfielders in the American league, he actually should be a starter when looking at his numbers. Of course, we know that reputation plays a large part (which generally works in the favor of veteran Yankee players), and Gardner lacks such a reputation, but he absolutely deserves to be on the team.

  264. GreenBeret7 June 29th, 2010 at 9:13 am

    If there needs to be a replacement for Crawford, I’d take Gardner. Other than that, I’d take Swisher.

  265. MTU (aka GBURL) June 29th, 2010 at 9:15 am

    GB-

    I understand. I was more getting to your reference about Meyers.

    Was wondering if conditions were right if you would consider a guy
    like Guillen with his “rep”.

    Kate-

    Maybe that was it. I always try to do my part though. ;)

  266. Ed H. June 29th, 2010 at 10:01 am

    Cash has made a point of staying away from players with attitude issues.

  267. Ari June 30th, 2010 at 12:40 pm

    Is this a real question? You take Gardner in a second. It shouldn’t even be a question as to whether Gardner should be an All-Star. Just look at his numbers. In terms of actual production this year Gardner is arguably the best offensive player on the team after Cano. Off the top of my head I can think of only three guys in the AL (outfielders) who are really having better years than Gardner (Crawford, Wells, Hamilton). If he isn’t an all-star he will have been robbed.

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