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Yankees win and the ESPN Sunday Night Baseball folks are crestfallen.
Two words: Robinson Cano
Love the picture!!
YES post game show on!!!
Game ends past midnight thanks to the late 8pm start and extended commercial breaks. Thanks ESPN.
Great, great, great win – the Yankees don’t even need a plane to go home, they are already floating on air.
Big win for Girardi tonight. Despite the unhappy ending in New York, Joe G. had some big shoes to fill.
You know it’s about time people face it. NOBODY is better than these Yankees. NOBODY.
NOBODY.
Get over it and stop pretending you don’t have eyes.
NOBODY. That means NOBODY.
Get it? N-O-B-O-D-Y
Torre now knows what its like to not have Mariano. Maybe he should have accepted the incentives…
So glad Andy didn’t have to take a loss.
Tonight is sn example of why Joe Torre is no longer manager of the Yankees.
Can’t manage a bullpen and put his own desires (beating the Yankees) above what’s best for the team.
The Dodgers start a series against the Giants tomorrow. A more important series than this one for the Dodgers, and he doesn’t have his closer available for at least two days because he blew him out the last two days in non save situations.
i missed the whole comeback…my power was out
…but im still happy with the result
What an exciting win!!!!!
MVP! MVP! MVP!
Great come fro mbehind win that could give us great momentum as we go back to the stadium and have to face Lee and Hernandez back to back nights.
Aw, Joe Torre. Never, ever change.
In Torre’s post game press conference he said he regretted pulling Broxton when he did. Felt he had a few more innings left in him tonight.
SJ, do you really think he used Broxton yesterday because he was that desperate to beat the Yanks?
Robbie, doing his Bullwinkle impression.
Have to agree with SJ44, this was classic Torre. Abusing his best reliever, once again. How can you let Broxton throw 50 pitches on zero days rest?
And I have to say, the Yanks showed NO guts today. I can’t believe they waited until the 10th friggin inning to pull ahead. They made me stay up too late
Kidding…
“Can’t manage a bullpen and put his own desires (beating the Yankees) above what’s best for the team.”
Managing a bullpen is one area that I think most anybody would agree that Girardi is superior.
Hey guess what….the Yankees had a better west coast trip than the Red Sox did, I didn’t think that was possible.
Maybe they can convert Broxton to a starter….thank goodness for the day off as this was Mo’s 3rd 2 inning save in a week, I think.
In the words of the great Yogi Berra, “It ain’t over ’til it’s over.”
And in the words of one of my favorite boxers- “Good things happen when you don’t quit.”
- “Irish” Micky Ward
I wasted all that agita, lol. Pity.
This just in — Torre just said, Broxton is good to go tomorrow against the Giants. He can give him at least 3-4 innings.
Kershaw was espn player of the game.
Just saw the TB highlights….kudos to Longoria for confronting Upton for loafing after that ball….I just don’t get it with that kid.
Never ever doubt this team.
Rich in NJ……I was looking for you in the 5th inning…..Man it was lonely here as there was only a handful who kept the faith about getting back into the game……..Lot’s of folks here with shovels in their hands
What a satisfying win against that dirty rat Torre. Tonight you were reminded why we forced that bum out of town. It was a classic comeback and it couldn’t have happened against a worse human being.
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I have a hard time arguing with this. So I won’t.
Pat M
Sorry, I had people over.
I thought Pedroia was tonight’s ESPN player of the game.
sorry if this was already posted:
“Victor Martinez has been diagnosed with a fracture in his left thumb.
The Red Sox are saying that V-Mart suffered the injury after taking multiple foul tips off the thumb of his catching hand. He won’t head to the disabled list right away, which indicates that the fracture probably isn’t serious. “
Just saw the TB highlights….kudos to Longoria for confronting Upton for loafing after that ball….I just don’t get it with that kid.
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Geez no kidding. That’s just embarrassing. Can you imagine if B.J. Upton was a Yankee? The fans would be all over him
does anyone have a video link to the Upton v. Longoria feud?
I actually feel sorry for Joe Torre though in that he has to wear a clown costume.
Dodgers are pathetic.
Torre hard at work in his office writing a chapter about what a disappointment Broxton is.
The result was good! But the approaches irk me still.
I’m worried that they’re going to keep winning and think these awful approaches are sufficient.
My nightmare is that they win the World Series and think they can get away with these poor at-bats next season too.
“# SJ44 June 28th, 2010 at 12:18 am
Tonight is sn example of why Joe Torre is no longer manager of the Yankees.
Can’t manage a bullpen and put his own desires (beating the Yankees) above what’s best for the team.
The Dodgers start a series against the Giants tomorrow. A more important series than this one for the Dodgers, and he doesn’t have his closer available for at least two days because he blew him out the last two days in non save situations.
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He really looked selfish with his decisions tonight. I would understand if they had Monday off but they have a big series w/ a division rival.
Major props to Longoria for getting in Upton’s face for dogging it.
“Geez no kidding. That’s just embarrassing. Can you imagine if B.J. Upton was a Yankee? The fans would be all over him”
I think that if he was around guys like Jeter, A-Rod, and Posada, he would take a different approach to the game.
matt June 28th, 2010 at 12:26 am
Torre hard at work in his office writing a chapter about what a disappointment Broxton is.
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I actually feel sorry for Joe Torre though in that he has to wear a clown costume.
Dodgers are pathetic.
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What came first, the players or the manager?
And I’m loving Cano right now, he’s having fun and playing like the MVP of the American League
Reposting this, but I’m glad for the Yankees who had to hear a whole lot about the west coast godfather.
We’re the reigning champs and the best team in baseball and all we heard about was the ex-manager.
It’s still about the players and the Yankees proved it tonight.
Marriot Hotel BellBoy #Twitter 5 minutes ago…Joe Torre spotted on hotel bed slinking into pinstriped outfit possibly old Yankees uni, snoring now.
Robinson Cano number 1 trending topic. I love it.
“# Rich in NJ June 28th, 2010 at 12:27 am
“Geez no kidding. That’s just embarrassing. Can you imagine if B.J. Upton was a Yankee? The fans would be all over him”
I think that if he was around guys like Jeter, A-Rod, and Posada, he would take a different approach to the game.
”
BJ lost his arbitration w/ the Rays in the offseason….I don’t think he really wants to play there from some of his actions the last few seasons
Betsy,
Yes. Joe used him yesterday in a non save situation and again today.
There was no reason to use him yesterday. Leaving him out there tonight? Just crazy.
I’d bet any amount of money there is no way Torre uses Broxton like he has the last two days against any other team.
In fact, I believe Broxton threw more pitches the last two nights than he has ever thrown in his career on back to back days.
Hot and humid here in NC, but, not as hot as those Yankees!
Big thanks to Torre for making the pitching changes only he could make.
Good job Torre, ruin many arms lately?
This is vintage Yankees – Keep it going, and build on this game.
Watch the Sox pitching staff catch fire now that Martinez is out for an extended period.
“In fact, I believe Broxton threw more pitches the last two nights than he has ever thrown in his career on back to back days.”
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67 pitches?
that’s a safe assumption
that is a huge count for the playoffs!!!
this is june baseball.
Who cares about the Sox, why look back?
Why all the Torre hate on the board? The man DID coach 4 WS champs. You guys are too quick to forget…
These posts should be all about the awesomeness that is Robbie Cano, MVP
Jonathan Broxton Twitter 4 minutes ago# Scott Proctor texted me wants his arm back.
Kershaw was outstanding tonight. Within 2 years, he’s going to be with Lester as two of the top left handers in baseball. Price will be fighting for that honor, too. Kershaw was responsible for the silent bats…not hitter indifference.
The real disappointment tonight wasn’t Pettitte’s pitching. It was his fielding…more specifically, his throwing to the bases. It’s always been his one major weakness.
The Yanks scored as many runs in 1 inning off of Broxton as he’s allowed for the year and 1 more earned run. Impressive. He’s probably the 2nd best closer in the business right now.
“Who cares about the Sox, why look back?”
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I agree the Yanks control their own destiny… but it’s foolish not to know how your main competitors are doing.
SJ, I wonder if the LA media will call him on it…………I guess not, though. I assume he’s god out there, lol
I would not be shocked if Broxton makes a trip to the DL soon. 50 pitches in 1 inning for your closer? After he had a 4 out save last night? In my opinion, Torre put his own desire to take the series from the Yanks before preserving the arm of his 26 year old stud closer. He wanted to put the nail in the coffin and embarrass the Yanks. Instead, he has a closer with a tired arm and a loss. Broxton will go the way of Sturtze and Karsay with Torre at the helm.
Betsy,
Dodgers had a 5 run lead yesterday in the 8th, and he used Broxton for a 4 out save
There were only 2 guys on base. 3 more had to reach base to put the tying run at the plate, yet Torre used him for 4 outs with a 5 run lead.
“because he blew him out the last two days in non save situations.”
More of a general point – saves is a arbitrary stat. It should not dictate how a manager uses a reliever. You don’t use, or no use a closer based on whether or not he will record a save.
Not saying Broxton should have been in a 4 or 5 run game, just drawing a hardline at “3″ against teams like the Yanks, Sox, etc, is probably not good managing either.
GB-
Hard to believe Kershaw only just turned 22. He already has something like 67 starts in the bigs. I remember when he was tearing up AA as a 20 year old. He is so impressive. Great composure, a true ace in the making (if he isn’t there already)
Girardi -
“This felt like the first REAL come back win we had this year”
So the “whiners” were not so far off, even the manager admitted this was the first real good comeback game….
hey how can the yanks win the experts at nespn gave player of the game to kershaw…
it was not suppose to end this way!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!11
that was the most pitches broxton has ever thrown in 2 days he threw 45 + pitches tonight alone.
huge win that terrible, young bench did just firn tonight!!!!!!!!!!
boston trolls probably went to bed already, mommy probably gave them milk and cookies…….
Mike June 28th, 2010 at 12:35 am
Betsy,
Dodgers had a 5 run lead yesterday in the 8th, and he used Broxton for a 4 out save
There were only 2 guys on base. 3 more had to reach base to put the tying run at the plate, yet Torre used him for 4 outs with a 5 run lead.
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From just watching Torre wanted these guys so badly. He wanted to take the series from the Yanks worse than anything else. He was treating this as a mini World Series in my view.
I’m not so sure I buy it about VMart’s thumb not being serious. If it showed a fracture it will take time, more than just a couple of days, to heal. The league knows the troubles the Sox have due to injuries, the RS will have to make some kind of trade especially given their current position in the standings. Adding in another player (2 actually, as they are saying Buchholz is fine as well, which I wonder about) going to the DL for a length of time.
VMart won’t be able to bat well with a broken thumb, and it could make it worse.
That is also two big bats out of their lineup. Even if Veratek has made some miraculous resurgence, (kind of like Ortiz), it is a big problem.
And man those Dodgers acted like a bunch of punks. Ethier throwing his helmet and batting gloves in the dugout? You just got out against the greatest closer of all time show some respect. And Russell Martin? I used to love him but man his career is going down the tubes. He’s lucky his broken bat didn’t hit Posada or the umps. Completely classless. so glad the yanks took this series.
Torre’s quote to ESPN, “I’ve never managed a pitcher who’s arm I didn’t want to ruin.”
Stuckey,
There was no reason to abuse Broxton the last two days. It was horrible bullpen management.
He did it because he got caught up in his own desires and put it above what’s best for his team.
Lots of good young pitching in the game and, IMO, that’s a good thing.
I hope Broxton will be ok…….
Posada always manages to get involved in every big comeback doesn’t he? His key hit is always the first that’s forgotten in any post game talk isn’t it?
Why all the Torre hate on the board? The man DID coach 4 WS champs. You guys are too quick to forget…
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I could have coached 4 WS championships with the players he had.
F Torre and the gargoyle he flew in on.
Anyone think the recent frustrations of the Dodgers has anything to do with bringing Broxton in? Maybe Torre really wanted his closer to nail down the game knowing that even 6-2 isn’t a sure win against these Yanks.
Of course…the result was a Yankee win and probably more frustration for LA
My god, Do the Dodgers whine a lot or what?
After every freaking pitch they bark at the umpire.
Torre/Donnie too were going crazy
Such an angry team……
The only thing better, would be taking 4 straight from the Dodgers in the WS.
SJ-
I couldn’t agree more. I’ve soured so much on Torre these past few years. He wanted nothing more than to beat the Yanks to stick it to Levine, the Boss, Arod…. He put himself above the well-being of his stud 26 year old closer. So glad the Yanks took this series.
And if Arod and Cano are hot at the same time look out. those two could carry a team alone. It’s an exciting possibility.
I guess Joe forgot the comeback win at the stadium against the Red Sox. As did the “whiners”.
Tyler June 28th, 2010 at 12:36 am
GB-
Hard to believe Kershaw only just turned 22. He already has something like 67 starts in the bigs. I remember when he was tearing up AA as a 20 year old. He is so impressive. Great composure, a true ace in the making (if he isn’t there already)
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He’s already the ace of the Dodger staff, even ahead of Billingsley. He’s probably a year away from topping Lincegum as the best early 20s pitchers in the NL. He’s still got a fight to get ahead of Halladay, but, he’ll get there. Four more years and he’s a Yankee.
Never could have imagined Torre and one of his team’s acting so unprofessionally, it was sad and embarassing. Human weaknesses like jealousy and vengence can make even a classy veteran like Torre become unhinged. It was an awful the way his players acted, I hope he sets the record straight soon, Joe’s better than that.
“F Torre”?
How do you say that about probably the third best coach in Yanks history? Ridiculous
Thank you Torre!
There really is no reason to ever count the team you are a fan of out it. ESPECIALLY when that team is the Yankees.
If they lose, you are still going to be a fan tomorrow. Unless you are some sort of fake fan, which I don’t put past a lot of people.
If they win? Well then you never quit on your team and you supported them the whole time. You are a proper fan and can bask in all their glory, haha.
Seriously, it just doesn’t make sense to count your team out if you are going to be rooting for them anyway.
“Good things happen when you don’t quit”
-”Irish” Micky Ward
I don’t think Joe G was all that willing to lose the series either, though. Mo in for a 2 inning outing? Granted, there is a day off, but still its a lot on an arm that is 40 years old.
Torre was worse, especially in leaving Broxton in so long tonight when it was becoming clear he wasn’t pitching his best. His velocity was down from last night, his location was way off, and that is a ton of pitches for the back to back outings.
I kept wondering when was he going to pull him. I had visions of Proctor’s meltdown, midnight burning of his equipment… this time with Broxton.
I can’t fault Torre
Broxton had not given up 4 earned runs ALL YEAR. That is how good he has been – 3 ER in 32 innings this year.
How would he know that he would completely implode like Joba?
And yesterday, he only threw 19 pitches. Hardly enough for him not to come back tonight.
The guy just didn’t get the job done.
# matt June 28th, 2010 at 12:41 am
Why all the Torre hate on the board? The man DID coach 4 WS champs. You guys are too quick to forget…
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I could have coached 4 WS championships with the players he had.
F Torre and the gargoyle he flew in on.
LOL
I agree about the classless Dodgers at the end of this game and at the end of the first game, but that filters down from their classless sell out of a manager. When the Yankees were struggling yesterday and early tonight you didn’t see them crying to the umps and slamming bats down at home plate. And those calls were strikes! Girardi may not be a great manager, but he’s better than Torre and he would never sell out his players.
Cano was great, but, give credit to A-Rod also, a very good game. Posada, Granderson and the rookies just kept the line moving. A great TEAM win.
And there are no words for MO, he is in a league of his own.
Joe G put in Mariano in a tie road game the second time this week. But apparently Torre was the only one who wanted to win this game…
Posada’s AB against Broxton was brutal on the closer. He wore him down by fouling off pitches and forcing the pitch count to 10. The team smelled blood after that tremendous AB. It was clear Posada wasn’t going to give in to Broxton. He was going to force him to throw his pitch.
Posada leads by example.
Ledger_Yankees “That was quite a miracle.” ARod
I am a big Torre fan and supporter. That being said, he does have an unheralded bloodlust for relief pitchers’ shoulders and arms.
GB-
I can’t imagine the Dodgers letting him go but I guess with the McCourt divorce you never know. Billingsly’s career has kind of stalled as of late. If he could ever get untracked the Dodgers would have an impressive 1-2-3 in Kershaw, Billingsly, and Kuroda.
The start that sold me on Kershaw (as if his minor league and prior major league starts weren’t enough) was when he beat Jimenez. I remember watching that start and thinking this is the young Pettite that’s been talked about for so long. He had a terrible start against the Brewers before that and was absolutely sensational. He has a great head on his shoulders to go with plus stuff. Just hope no injury problems pop up… I think he has no injury history? but im not sure…
I hope we don’t see Mo do anymore 2 inning appearances unless the division, the post season, the play offs or the world series is on the line.
2 x in a week was about enough for me.
Cashman has to find an arm for the pen to cover for Joba when he’s inconsistent.
Hopefully, they find it from within the minors since trading for that kind of reliever is going to cost a ton.
Have a good night all. Can’t wait for the Tuesday night match-up.
Can we get the other 29 managers in baseball to write a book calling Arod A-fraud? Arod needs more vengeance in his ABs.
Interesting hearing Alex say K. Long had him make an in game adjustment on his stance (told him to widen and get less vertical) after his 2nd AB.
No sympathy for Torre
He put this series above his own team
As Tips his cap said, F Torre!
lol!!!
Girardi wanted to win the game too, that is the point of playing. Had there been a better option available than Gaudin we might not have seen Mo for two. Using Mariano in a tie game on the road is a good move. It’s better to use him and give yourself another chance to bat then to lose without him even getting into the game like was done in Toronto. Tonight, all that was left was Gaudin. Logan and Park pitched yesterday. I don’t think we’ll see Mo pitch Tuesday if there’s a save situation.
this is one of those magical wins that remind me of the 09 regular season Twins series where the Yanks just went on a tear afterward
Bret the Hitman June 28th, 2010 at 12:45 am
Posada’s AB against Broxton was brutal on the closer. He wore him down by fouling off pitches and forcing the pitch count to 10. The team smelled blood after that tremendous AB. It was clear Posada wasn’t going to give in to Broxton. He was going to force him to throw his pitch.
Posada leads by example.
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There are times when I am unfairly hard on Posada but that was a heck of an at bat. Really every at bat in that rally was really just beautiful. Collin Curtis in like his 6th major league at bat fouling off some tough pitches was remarkable. But I guess if you can beat cancer, Jonathan Broxton is a piece of cake.
Usage patterns Jason. Compare Mo and Broxtons’s. It’s not close. 68 pitches for Broxton in two days. That’s abuse.
Torre abused the guy and it not only cost him tonight but, it’s going to hurt him the next three days against the Giants.
Great Yankee Mangers better than Torre
Casey Stengel
Miller Huggins
Joe McCarthy
Billy Martin
Ralph Houk
All before the steroid era.
The Yankees win covered for Joba giving up a tack on run that could have proved fatal tonight………..
GLove, I agree…………Mo is a robot, but even robots short-circuit. The Yankees really need to improve their pen.
Kevin Long echoed Girardi
“Today was the first game that I felt we had that comeback ability like last year”
So again, the whiners were not off-base.
And as I’m typing this, MO basically said the exact same thing, said it reminded him of last year.
“I hope we don’t see Mo do anymore 2 inning appearances unless the division, the post season, the play offs or the world series is on the line. ”
Agree 100%. Great win, but we HAVE to find other relievers who can pitch in high leverage situations.
Cannot keep burning MO out because nobody else can pitch a clean inning in a tie game.
Joba at this point is unreliable. Tonight again proved it.
Again, both guys forgot the Red Sox comeback at home. It did happen you know.
Looked to see if any of the Girardi bashers were still on, but predictably they already crawled back in their holes.
Yes, JeterJobaFan or whatever the *** that tool’s name is, I’m looking at you.
See you after the next Yankees loss.
Great win tonight.
Broxton reminds me of what Joba used to be… before Texas…
Girardi may not be a great manager, but he’s better than Torre and he would never sell out his players
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I agree with you but I think it’s possible that Girardi just may be a great manager and we’re too close to it to really see it.
“Broxton reminds me of what Joba used to be… before Texas…”
And tonight, he looked like 2010 Joba
LOL!!
Yankees need a DH/OF type and a reliever.
I would love for them to somehow magically get Damon back but obviously that is not happening. I would be interested in Marlon Byrd too, but again, I don’t think that is happening.
Joba looked pedestrian tonight. I hope Cashman adds a bullpen arm with 8th inning capability. Putz, League, Marmol, Soria. Somebody ANYBODY, I don’t care at this point just get HELP
SJ –
Look, I agree Torre isn’t and hasn’t ever been a great bullpen manager. 68 pitches was way too much. But he only had 19 last night. Two 2-inning outings in a week on a 40 year old Mo might be a bit much too (though I agree with the move since I don’t trust Gaudin in that spot)
Really, the issue is the Torre hate.
matt -
“before the steroid era”….so Yankee championships count less during that era? I dont get it
Girardi isn’t an amazing manager, he makes his share of mistakes, but the people saying “anyone with half a brain can win a WS with this team” pisses me off. It’s pretty hilarious how many armchair managers feel like they can do better than the actual man.
“There was no reason to abuse Broxton the last two days. It was horrible bullpen management.
He did it because he got caught up in his own desires and put it above what’s best for his team.”
I don’t necessarily disagree. I just responded to the “save situation” argument in general.
This Seattle series has them facing Lee, King Felix and then Ryan Rowland Smith.
Then the Toronto baby bombers come to town before they come back to the west coast for 7 games.
Not an easy stretch over the next two weeks.
Here’s a thought. The best thing that happened to Robby was Melky going to Atlanta.
The best thing to happen to Robbie was Hideki to the Angels and the 5-spot
Pen is awful
Robertson is coming around, though he is still putting too many guys on base. Another 2 guys on base today before Marte bailed him out
Marte is OK.
Park is OK for 1 inning
Joba is the AJ Burnett of relievers
Boone Logan = goat
Gaudin is decent, but not in any big spot.
Bronx Jeers June 28th, 2010 at 12:56 am
This Seattle series has them facing Lee, King Felix and then Ryan Rowland Smith.
Then the Toronto baby bombers come to town before they come back to the west coast for 7 games.
Not an easy stretch over the next two weeks.
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The home series are crucial, the Yankees always hover around .500 during West Coast trips against AL teams.
Need to win the series against SEA and TOR. I think they should be able to do so. They’ll be looking for payback from the last time when they lost 2/3 to TOR.
Jason June 28th, 2010 at 12:58 am
The best thing to happen to Robbie was Hideki to the Angels and the 5-spot
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The best thing to happen to Robbie was listening to Kevin Long and looking for a pitch to drive, instead of a pitch to hit. His pitch selection this season has been much improved over the last few years and it has had a dramatic effect.
Here’s a thought. The best thing that happened to Robby was Melky going to Atlanta.
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Agree 100%; also let Gardner show his abilities.
I still have a lot of respect for Torre. But I disagree with Mike Lupica and his claim that Torre is the greatest manager in NY sports history. He gave no evidence to support his claim; just made the claim.
Here’s a thought. The best thing that happened to Robby was Melky going to Atlanta.
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You might be right, but I believe winning follows Melky wherever he goes so it remains to be seen if losing Melky ends up being a net positive for the Yankees.
Torre double-switched Manny out of the game, and Anderson, his replacement got tossed for barking at the ump, so they were short a player.
What a bunch of whiners that team has.
Torre’s not all that. Francona has 1/2 the world series wins that Torre does and he’s a better manager hands down.
Anyone who blows out arms the way Torre did and then unceremoniously dumped the players after he abused them is not a great manager. He’s a opportunistic piece of garbage.
I don’t mean to break your heart Jason but the truth is the truth. You can love him though. I give you permission.
A-Rod pretty much said his first couple at bats were terrible. He made adjustments and they payed off.
I hate My 9 games, which Tuesday’s game is; they have a crappy post-game show……..too bad, esp. since it’s a matchup between Lee and Phil.
I still have a lot of respect for Torre. But I disagree with Mike Lupica and his claim that Torre is the greatest manager in NY sports history. He gave no evidence to support his claim; just made the claim.
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Lupica was talking about good copy not actual game strategy. Lupica knows NOTHING about baseball all he cares about are personalities. He’s like a sports gossip columnist.
Yankees win 8-6!!
When are people on this blog going to realize baseball is not like football or basketball.
Hey, morons, you cannot run out the clock, you have to get the last man out.
You just don’t give up on a team like the Yankees, you just don’t.
They obviously don’t give up on themselves, and that is why they are World Champions.
Will this stop all the morons on this blog? I doubt it. They still think they’re watching the NBA.
Hey guys, the Dodgers are fighting a real bad stretch right now……Two weeks ago they were in 1st place, and they’re a very frustrated club…When there’s a win on the board you do whatever you can to post that win…….Right now they are free falling in the standings and every win you’re hoping will turn the ship around……The games they blew to the Angels has put the heat on them………Matt you’re a chameleon
Francona is a solid manager and certainly one of the best in the history of the team who shall not be named
But where were you and your opinions in 1999? Was Torre a piece of garbage then?
Seattle can’t hit
Lee is good, but he can be hit
Padres scored 8 runs off him. Tampa scored 5 off him.
Same with King Felix
We hit much better at home
I really don’t even know where the Yankees go for that kind of reliever.
I don’t think you’re getting Putz from Chicago now that they’re back in the race.
Brandon League will cost too much from the M’s.
You’re basically looking at guys like Dotel, Kerry Wood, etc. I’m not sure any of them will fill the role we need to be filled.
Is there a good young arm who is starting in the minors that could come up and be a reliever for 1/2 the season?
Torre’s garbage bullpen management was part of the reason for the yearly first round exits between 2005-2007. His perceived favoritism was confirmed as pretty obvious in his book and his treatment of A-Rod. In fact, it probably isn’t a stretch to say that A-Rod’s playoff struggles can be partly attributed to being put under so much pressure by the NY media, and the manager pinning the humiliation on him by batting him 8th in a postseason situation.
IMO the Yankees should have moved on after the embarrassment that was the 2004 season.
Torre always abuses Broxton. I remember even last year he would ask him to get 4 or 5 outs often. When the media called him out on it he said he is young and strong he can handle it. Using him yesterday with a 5 run lead was crazy. Torre was so desperate to beat the Yankees and it showed.
Pat M. June 28th, 2010 at 1:04 am
Hey guys, the Dodgers are fighting a real bad stretch right now……Two weeks ago they were in 1st place, and they’re a very frustrated club…When there’s a win on the board you do whatever you can to post that win…….Right now they are free falling in the standings and every win you’re hoping will turn the ship around……The games they blew to the Angels has put the heat on them………Matt you’re a chameleon
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Pat, what pitcher does Kershaw remind you of, going as far back as you need to? I was thinking of two pitchers, though he throws harder and not as many sliders as Lefty, but, Carlton and A young Gary Peters come to mind, though Kershaw is 4 years younger than Peters was as a rookie. Not sure that he reminds my a lot of Lester, but, some. Peters more than the others.
Not to keep heaping on Torre, but if you don’t remember how he burned our best relievers out by July, you have a short memory.
There was the “we can win this game” group of relievers and the other half which sat on the bench all the time or came into games in blowouts.
The “we can win this game” group consisted of Mo and maybe 2 other pitchers who got burnt to a crisp by Torre’s bullpen management.
Look at some of the Yankee stats from 2000 on. There are usually 3 guys with 80 appearances and the rest of the pen has about 20-30 appearances. It was a huge differential.
I hope for Broxton’s sake his career isn’t shortened by Torre’s abuse.
See: Paul Quantrill, Tanyon Sturtze, Scott Proctor, etc.
I can’t believe the Yanks have to go back to the west coast next week. How drunk was the person who made the schedule??!
I don’t think anyone forgets Torre’s use of relievers. I still get occasional Proctor flashbacks during pitching changes. But like Pat M. said, I think he wanted to nail down tonights game with Broxton not only for selfish reasons, but cause his frustrated team could use a winning streak.
GB7:
I’ll tell you who Kershaw reminds me of, Frank Tanana of the California Angels.
Same body type, same kind of wind up, and same kind of dominating power.
Plus, I think Tanana came up at the age of 22; similar to Kershaw.
Only 4 times in 2009, did Torre have Broxton in a game for more than 4 outs. Twice with 2 innings.
GLove, I remember that very well – he had a doghouse, too. A bad outing or two and that was it………I don’t think Girardi is like that (though he still makes some very puzzling decisions).
Great win.
Notice a couple posts about Joba being a potential goat again, and had to put this out there: You can fault him for the leadoff walk, although he erased in by getting a DP. But that run was on the defense–first A-rod’s double-clutch on the infield single, and then Posada’s pathetic throw to 2nd on the pitchout. Carroll MIGHT have still beaten out the hit, but he would have been out by 15 feet on the SB attempt if Posada’s throw was even average, and the inning would have ended there.
Joba didn’t look great, but this was not an implosion of the sort that has been his problem this year.
Pepi, I never saw a lot of the fireballing version of Tanana. Mostly the junk balling version. You may be right, though. I’ll have to look for some videos.
You have to excuse Broxton, he thought he was facing the Phillies.
I wish we could trade him for Kemp right now
From a Dodger blog talking about trading Kemp for Cano. My have times changed.
From 2002-2005 Torre used 3 relievers for at least 200 IP, excluding Mo.
That’s a huge workload for any 3 relievers in any bullpen.
Guys on this list are:
Gordon, Sturtze, Mendoza, Proctor, and Quantrill.
All those guys were out of baseball very soon after putting in those workloads.
Proctor and Gordon had close to 300 IP combined across back to back years in 2004 and 2005.
# 25 Pepitone, real good call on Fast Frankie Tanana……..He and Ryan were something to behold…..GB, I haven’t thought about Gary Peters in a long time……..Paul Richards White Sox ???//
I noticed Carlos Monstrosity is with the Dodgers now.. as a reliever I guess. He stared against Boston last week.
We traded him away in the Abreu/Lidle trade
Wasn’t Gary Peters ROY when he was only 19?
I remember him and that easy wind up of his. That White Sox team had a great staff those years: Tommy John; Juan Pizarro, etc.
vblade –
I’m not disagreeing with the notion of Torre’s bullpen (mis)management. But also on that list should be Mariano Rivera, who in those years 04/05 pitched almost 160 innings himself. He’s not out of baseball yet.
Fact is, some of the guys on that list wouldn’t have been notable if they didn’t earn Torre’s trust. Yea, he burned out their arms…but if he didn’t use them, it’s not like they would have gone on to have hall of fame careers. In fact, I believe Proctor enjoyed going out every day
Pat M. June 28th, 2010 at 1:23 am
# 25 Pepitone, real good call on Fast Frankie Tanana……..He and Ryan were something to behold…..GB, I haven’t thought about Gary Peters in a long time……..Paul Richards White Sox ???//
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what a rotation that could have been if they could have kept Bill Singer healthy.
Peters was a big over the top lefty with a big fastball, slider and curve. He hurt his arm a couple of years later and the White Sox shipped him to Boston. He never again threw that hard and became a finesse pitcher. And, the guy could hit as well as Ken Brett or Doc Gooden.
Pat M,
There’s matt and there’s Matt.
Girardi’s move paid off and Torre’s didn’t.
We would be griping about abusing mo if it didn’t work out or if he blew the save.
But, Girardi would’ve protected Broxton.
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Peters faught his rookie team mate, Pete Ward for ROY in 1963 and beat him out with a 19-8 record and won the ERA title with a 2.30 something ERA. Hit 3 homers, drove in 12 and averaged a .259. He got half of the votes and Ward and Jimmy Hall got the rest of the votes.
Jason June 28th, 2010 at 1:31 am
vblade –
I’m not disagreeing with the notion of Torre’s bullpen (mis)management. But also on that list should be Mariano Rivera, who in those years 04/05 pitched almost 160 innings himself. He’s not out of baseball yet.
Fact is, some of the guys on that list wouldn’t have been notable if they didn’t earn Torre’s trust. Yea, he burned out their arms…but if he didn’t use them, it’s not like they would have gone on to have hall of fame careers. In fact, I believe Proctor enjoyed going out every day
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He’s lucky Rivera keeps himself extremely fit and prepared for heavy workloads. All the other guys were pretty much trashed at the end of their run with the Yankees and Torre.
Relievers always want the ball. It’s the manager’s job to keep them fresh and protect them from themselves.
You seem to be insinuating that all the above guys were expendable pieces that needed to be used for the bullpen to be effective. That might be true. Sadly, their careers were effectively ended in the process. Even worse, many relievers who could have been effective for the Yankees never got a chance with Torre.
He’s not a terrible manager. He was great at keeping the clubhouse and superstars in check, and he demanded respect. However, he also exhibited dangerous favoritism to certain players, and his bullpen management is as we know, horrendous. The team was right to move on.
Peters fought his
Oh, yeah, Pete Ward and Jimmy Hall.
Jimmy Hall played for the Twins didn’t he? Or should I say the Senators; since the Washington Senators became the Minnesota twins in 1962 or 63?